leagues-general

[polar oyster]

missing endless potions 😄

[muted needle]

same with me too lol i do taht all the time

[old tapir]

well, i guess its a zamorak item https://i.imgur.com/tQVNIxa.png

[spring cipher]

its time for you to play the main game post leagues

[old tapir]

and i have a spare

[spring cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-twitch-emote-twitch-emote-7tv-gif-15932415906993918120

[past forge]

hahaahha i semi play

like osrs is fun but way more fun w friends and all my friends quit/stopped playing so

[old tapir]

nice https://i.imgur.com/9UGxeir.png

[past forge]

sadge

[muted needle]

make new friendsss

[tawdry carbon]

make some new ones

ill play with you

lets hit it

i will raid with anyone i dont give a fuck

[past forge]

hahahaha appreciate it!!

[polar oyster]

carry me in tob

[tawdry carbon]

im not gonna condescend and gatekeep like some of the ppl in this chat

sure

hmu any time

[livid slate]

Wait, he picked it up and yoinked it?

[tawdry carbon]

after league

[old tapir]

sure did

[polar oyster]

in league

[tawdry carbon]

ok

lemme finish coffee and shit and we can hit it depending on your world

[past forge]

Anyone feel free to add me seriously I love making new friends! My ig name is "Kappuh1"

[tawdry carbon]

what continent are you

[polar oyster]

got mory for tob

[muted needle]

ill screenshot it and add u tom im in my bed rn

[tawdry carbon]

no no

ping

continent

[polar oyster]

eu

[tawdry carbon]

oof

i have like 300 ping to eu

[polar oyster]

np

[tawdry carbon]

im in the cupertino timezone

[river grove]

has anyone with water mage done solo nex? she just heals to 100% in the blood phase every time

even if i wait when she yells the shit and dont attack her

[scenic garden]

you need to kill the monster she spawns during blood phase to keep her from healing and avoid being in range of her when she marks you

[velvet hornet]

does avarice or skull increase drop rates from wildy bosses or is that arev cave only thing

[scenic garden]

just rev caves

[toxic vortex]

My reload decision would have been a little more interesting if it was potions + food

[lean hearth]

Against Doom, or in general, is it better to use a trident of the seas, or use a shadowflame quadrant for dps? I don't have access to trident of the swamp.

[toxic vortex]

But just food isn't enough of a reason for me to take it.

[past forge]

didnt gridmaster have something like that?

or was it also just food?

[toxic vortex]

It was both

[river grove]

ok thx im gonna try to melee the blood reaver i think the dps with this mage build is just low af even with good gear

[velvet hornet]

man leagues chat is super nice and helpful lol, i stopped askign in general osrs chat always got douchey snooty answers like i need to get gud

[polar oyster]

yh Im a def pure, so just spamming food while thorns does the job. 6th jad challenge next up 😄

[velvet hornet]

ty for bein legit 😄

[scenic garden]

if you're still low pacts, you need some mage gear on to make up for the negative mage attack bonuses from tank gear

[tawdry carbon]

def pure on leagues?

[scenic garden]

once you have more of the accuracy pacts you can go full tank gear

[tawdry carbon]

gigachad shit

[scenic garden]

?

[spring cipher]

shadowflame if ur surging

[scenic garden]

oh wtf

[spring cipher]

u can basically tank everything

[lean hearth]

yeah, was just wondering if a 1tick trident was better than shadowflame, saw almost everyone using a trident with the water thorns build, I assume it might be because they just haven't picked kandarin I guess?

[velvet hornet]

im just wearing regular void with shadowflame staff works fuckin great

[tawdry carbon]

some ppl mightn ot have quadrant

u can always do both thats what ima respec to

soon

[velvet hornet]

and mal with thorns

[tawdry carbon]

when i decide i wanna stop actually palying the game and going afk

[crystal kelp]

Shadowflame is more comfy imo since you get more healing out of it. Trident is more DPS if you have the 1t staff pact but you may have to engage with boss a bit more / be more aware of your hp

[spring cipher]

trident is prob better with mage thorn
shadowflame is better with air mage irrc

[twilit laurel]

What's the best weapon to do spec'd out CA on thermy? My regions are KAD

[spring cipher]

claws or voidwaker maybe? idk

[potent quail]

Cant you do air mage thorn

[twilit laurel]

I have access to neither

[spring cipher]

hmmm yea but u get no healing

thats the issue

[potent quail]

What about water air thorns

[amber sleet]

it's done...

now i can play the game...

[scenic garden]

you can only get the air spell buff OR the water spell buff, so you either get the big heals or the big damage

[spring cipher]

then u lose out on dps which was the whole point of air mage and also for air mage to do dps u need prayer armour and to dps as thorns u want tank gear

you just cant benefit from both at once

[scenic garden]

that too

and from what I can tell, the prayer gear is needed because of all the prayers you need up for max damage

right?

then you also need tons of prayer pots to keep that up

[pure karma]

how do i do this if im always regening runes?

[queen fable]

Stop using any magic

[spring cipher]

resetting pacts

[velvet hornet]

how do i tell which trophy ive unlocked so far?

[twilit laurel]

That CA is possible main game. So try ranged?

[spring cipher]

click ranks

[tawdry carbon]

no harm in going this hybrid. some ppl are doing it and are far along

[spring cipher]

at the bottom of the leagues menu

[tawdry carbon]

mage and throns are so overtuned it can work

you can even sac 1point in pwoered staff and have fun with the lithic

youll probably have more fun switching up styles as you go along

well. "styles" lol

[twilit laurel]

all 2 styles

[tawdry carbon]

air water and 1t staff since youre probably perpetually thorning

either way, forcing yourself to be one or the other because its like better on a temporary game mode where youre already ridiculously overpowered and having less fun?

L take

https://tenor.com/view/girls-frontline-2-gfl2-girls-frontline-2-cheeta-cheeta-cheetah-gif-9486155095946272109

plus justi has prayer bonus

youll feel thematic or something

theres ppl doing thorns+water+fire to spice it up

looks fun as shit actually

imo try not to put stock into people saying "have less fun, do it the right way"

toxic mindset imo

[ripe turtle]

does anyone have kanda and like 10 minutes to spare 🙂

[tawdry carbon]

wasup

[smoky raft]

dog

I just want a tome

[twilit laurel]

Kandarin?

[smoky raft]

second wand

[tawdry carbon]

bro i got the tome while teaching my wife how to do the boss i dont even need it 😭

[ripe turtle]

need to try and dupe some runes in castle wars

[tawdry carbon]

elaborate

[twilit laurel]

Can I get my castle wars win off you?

[tawdry carbon]

is that a task?

or diary thing?

[twilit laurel]

yes

task

[tawdry carbon]

yea ill come thru too then

or does it not start with odd # of ppl

[ripe turtle]

yeh if you want, i just need a sec to go grab cursed amulet of magic

[tawdry carbon]

if it doesnt work with odd #, ill sit out

[twilit laurel]

Let me know when

It works with imbalanced teams

[ripe turtle]

give me like 2 minutes

i'll hop to u, what world are you on?

[twilit laurel]

Doing gwd right now. W401. Let me know when you are ready and I'll tele

[shrewd ermine]

how tough is it to complete these? I stopped playing the game long before this content came out lol

I walked into colosseum when I had crystal gear and they hit kind of hard 😭

[twilit laurel]

Don't try to tank it

[tawdry carbon]

yea u have to solve it @shrewd ermine

theres a colo sim

if u wanna tank it u gottab e doing the dumb sustain builds

[twilit laurel]

Just because it's leagues doesn't mean you can ignore colosseum solves

[tawdry carbon]

bt iirc youre a normal build

[shrewd ermine]

got some jewelry and I have the first two thorns now but it's not a super end-game build

[tawdry carbon]

buy a crystal shield?

[scenic garden]

what boots are those?

[shrewd ermine]

lunar

[twilit laurel]

bruh

[shrewd ermine]

nothing wild

[twilit laurel]

Is that bis for you?

[shrewd ermine]

it's the best I have

[tawdry carbon]

buy a crystal shield?

[shrewd ermine]

2nd best is leather boots XD

[shrewd ermine]

I actually have it, but I didn't use it cause magic accuracy lower

[twilit laurel]

You're just going to have to hide behind the pillars

[tawdry carbon]

the magic acc barely matters

cuz u have so much boost

[late helm]

I just brute forced coliseum wave 12 with tank gear thorns and double eating through sol- I didn’t learn any colo mechanics prior

[shrewd ermine]

actually I dont think I have any atm

[late helm]

Tank gear is more valuable against sol unless you want to actually learn the boss

[ripe turtle]

alr @twilit laurel ready when u are

[shrewd ermine]

I have this I could do but im thinking just maxing the water tree first

[late helm]

You are going to have to learn the boss mechanicswith these pacts imo

It will be easier than regular colo tho

[ripe turtle]

somehow entering castle wars crashed my game whoops

wtf

[late helm]

And you can make way more mistakes with all the healing you get. It just won’t be afk. You could also try and get 10 more pact points or whatever if you want to go thorns

[ripe turtle]

2x combo one sec @twilit laurel

[shrewd ermine]

I think Im better off maxing my water tree first then going from there. I can maybe get 4-5 more pacts

are vardorvis and doom bosses I can easily do with my gear?

[twilit laurel]

I got in finally. Had "non-combat" items

[scenic garden]

you're missing a pact to regen water runes from powered staff charges btw. and that pathing is really weird.

[ripe turtle]

no worries

game stuck in starting countdown for u too?

[twilit laurel]

yeah

[shrewd ermine]

ah yeah I see it. i can just buy a shit ton of water runs for now

[twilit laurel]

hop out

[ripe turtle]

hmm

strange

wait stay in i'm gonna try something

[shrewd ermine]

i just realized since I only have my second region and I have a crap ton of easy/mediun quests Ive ignored I should just do that and unlock mory or zeah (T/K atm)

[umbral bronze]

has anyone taken or reloaded into grimoire?

[tawdry carbon]

i took grim

[scenic garden]

a few people

[tawdry carbon]

not worth imo

[umbral bronze]

i just got t7 not sure what to reload into

like if i can get the magic cape, am i still able to use the spells without the regions

[scenic garden]

what are your pacts, areas, and build?

[past forge]

prayer relic?

[umbral bronze]

abundance / forager / evil eye / transmute / larcenist / culling

so far i only took asgarnia

[scenic garden]

you can use lunars without frem but not ancients without desert

[umbral bronze]

hmm yeah i wanted grimoire for the spells and prayers

[scenic garden]

and you need kandarin for mage cape

[umbral bronze]

im still deciding if i take it but its top of the list

i still have 2 resets for pacts but im going thorns

[smoky raft]

yall will never guess what I just got a third of before my first tome

[umbral bronze]

and i have the first node of blindbag that increases the chance

[modern ginkgo]

Dcv is 1 in 2k drop rate, I'm 2.3k kills into it, when do I give up? Lol

[past forge]

oooooooof

[umbral bronze]

never give up 🦾

[past forge]

me considering the grind

[smoky raft]

only 60% of people get drops on rate

[past forge]

https://tenor.com/view/no-thinking-gif-7284668

ill probably end up trying for it but sending good juju your way simo

[shrewd ermine]

my first try

[umbral bronze]

gz!

[shrewd ermine]

im going to die now

btw what happened to toxic blowpipe? i remember it got nerfed hard or something

iirc it's only good for low defense mobs now right?

[smoky raft]

my running theory is that the earth tome counts as a shield

based solely on the fact that the transmutation ledger counts as a shield

if it does, that drastically reduces DFS's usefulness to me

if it doesn't, well, I need 50 huey kc anyway

[next dust]

why not rendering lol

just that tile

[scenic garden]

if you're thorns, you're realy not gonna get much of anything from earth tome

[modern ginkgo]

I was 500 kc into iron and steel combines, and currently 2326 keep into skelly wyverns lol

[smoky raft]

I'd rather take the 10% dmaage mult over the +2 thorns damage tbh

[modern ginkgo]

Let's hope it happens soon!

[scenic garden]

earth mage?

[smoky raft]

yea

[glacial ridge]

what do i do to block in hunters rumour, i got the task i wanna block on adept cervus, now i talk to adept ornus and click switch to hunter ornus? or can i not block with 2 adepts?

[smoky raft]

I love throwing rocks at people

[scenic garden]

https://tenor.com/view/toph-beifong-toph-anime-earth-attack-gif-20604281

[real thicket]

earth tank become immortal

[potent quail]

The idea is to manual cast water spells for healing

[toxic vortex]

Base lvl 5 though?

With what? Slayer?

[shrewd ermine]

yep. it was lv 1 XD

[tawdry carbon]

gzzzzzzzzzz

[shrewd ermine]

just with one zulrah kill I got to 25

[real thicket]

runecrafting level higher than slayer level

a man of culture and refinement

[shrewd ermine]

what doing 200kc of zalcano and going dry got me XD

[tired quiver]

whats a good area unlock order for mage

[shrewd ermine]

so how does this area work? do i just pick which boss I want to fight?

[real thicket]

ktm or kmt or go desert/zeah if u hate priff

[tired quiver]

fight all 3 to roll all their loot tables or just 1

[tired quiver]

how did you know i hate priff lmao, is it really bad to not take it

[shrewd ermine]

I dont think the others are a task right? I just need to fight and equip one item?

[real thicket]

no, fk priff

[tired quiver]

agreed

Kandarin into Ibans early??

[real thicket]

full of dirty elves and weird looking armour

[shrewd ermine]

nvm

[real thicket]

u can also go wildy if ur a chad

wildy is awesome region

[scenic garden]

[tawdry carbon]

yes

do you have the evil eye?

if so you can teleport straight to the boss rooms

[shrewd ermine]

I do not

[tired quiver]

i did wildy on the main and it was fun yeah

[tawdry carbon]

no problem
then yes, you have to walk
you can also gather all your supplies w hunter/herblore.

[polar oyster]

benefit of wildy?

[tawdry carbon]

wherever you see a cooking pot, theres boxes you can colelct herblord and hunter supplies

[shrewd ermine]

can I just raw dog it?

[tawdry carbon]

absolutely

so for supplies

look for cooking pot area

[real thicket]

money solve, prayer solve, early rev weapons, nearly infinite food and supplies early on from blighted stuff, easy bis mage cape, etc

[tawdry carbon]

click the boxes and collect herb/hunt (or fish but i like hunt)

hunter supplies -> click the rocks -> shake the bushes w lizards -> cook lizards for really good food

get moonlit grubs -> crush w mortar -> now u have nice prayer pots that are also supercombats

[real thicket]

probably fastest slayer leveling if u can barrage or chin too

[shrewd ermine]

oh I thought I'd have my staff on me rip

[urban wigeon]

Lol just got the fletching knife from the miniquest totem

[real thicket]

and early mage armour with dagon'hai

[shrewd ermine]

I have to learn mechanics

[tawdry carbon]

theyre easy

[polar oyster]

hm okay, doesnt sound appealing to my situation - ty for writing

[real thicket]

yeah, it's just early stuff

[shrewd ermine]

but I need to prep similar to gauntlet?

[real thicket]

great 1st region, kind falls off the further you get

[tawdry carbon]

yes

near potted areas

but the supplies last way longer htan gaunt

[shrewd ermine]

I see, I'll do my own digging then to save you the effort

Since it's medium/hard tasks I assume it's easy

[tawdry carbon]

the tl;dr for all 3 moons is
attack them while standing in glowing circle

blue moon -- 2 special attacks. either turn the fires on when he spawns tornados, avoid tornados and if one touches you then turn run back on. or punch the ice to get your weapon out , dont stand on the ice when it appears
eclipse -- 2 special attacks... walk behind the sun to follow it. other special attack he spawns clones -- face the clones w your highest hitting melee wep in the order they appear. just click their shadow in the order it appears -- think of it like osu or something.
blood -- dodge blood pools. or panther -- stand in circle next to the panther. a tick or two after the rain appears, step on it to avoid damage from both the rain pool and panther

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/_2_special_attacks._either_turn_the_fires_on_when_he_spawns_tornados%2C_avoid_tornados_and_if_one_touches_you_then_turn_run_back_on._or_punch_the_ice_to_get_your_weapon_out_%2C_dont_stand_on_the_ice_when_it_appearseclipse_
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/_face_the_clones_w_your_highest_hitting_melee_wep_in_the_order_they_appear._just_click_their_shadow_in_the_order_it_appears_
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/_dodge_blood_pools._or_panther_

[polar oyster]

yeah not pressing that

[potent quail]

It teleports you close to the next boss if you do it in the right order

I think its eclipse blue moon blood moon

And at the locations you gather resources

Grub potions and salamnders using the trap

[queen thicket]

Easy tasks

Easy echo boss

[kind cairn]

is the archery challenge at the ranging guild just pure luck?

[queen thicket]

There are some hard ones but a lot of them are very easy

[potent quail]

Oh yeah bot now works with —

[shrewd ermine]

I see, I'll look into it. Ty both for the help :)

[tacit oyster]

range lvls help but still rng

[real thicket]

echo kbd is a big sand crab with indigestion, 10/10 will kill again

[queen thicket]

Also afking kbd is chill

[potent quail]

In main game moons is a incredible boss because you dont need any consimables

And get armor for all 3 styles

[kind cairn]

i have 99 range and accuracy bonus nodes in my pacts AND a ranging potion

[tacit oyster]

ranged accuracy on gear/bow also makes it more likely to hit center

[kind cairn]

i do have ranged gear on, just surprised

[shrewd ermine]

i see, im def behind on a lot of content lol. leave for 6 years and a raid comes out of nowhere and we get a new island

not to mention sailing

[little wraith]

I hope to start farming moons in main very soon

[scenic garden]

the back to back drops

[real thicket]

we need oldschool oldschool runescape

return to sandcrab

[shrewd ermine]

runescape 1.5

[modern ginkgo]

Hmm do I stick to wyvern or swap to iron and steel drags

[real thicket]

back in my day you mined runite in the wilderness and hated your life

[narrow epoch]

Okay, so, I got a megarare voucher... is this, like, my ONE chance to get it, or is it possible to get one again later?

[scenic garden]

is the damage I'm seeing just my damage to the boss in moons? no other players could affect this CA?

[queen fable]

What this means is, only attack (Damage) it during the special clock phase when you have to face the directions it appears.

[scenic garden]

I know what that means

[queen fable]

No, no other players affect it

[scenic garden]

and I expect I'll have to take off my shield and suffering for the rest of the fight, was just wondering if anyone else affected it

I just have that and the kc CAs left

and working on the one where I have to kill 30 moons without leaving, hoping evil eye doesn't count as leaving if I just use it to tele to blood moon

[potent leaf]

Hey is it worth farming points in cox or should I just run through it normally?

[queen thicket]

Just do the raid

[odd radish]

quetzin pet boosted on leagues?

[tacit oyster]

no, only after 200m hunter xp

[queen thicket]

No pets are

[frozen gyro]

is there any reason to keep my prayer pen pacts after echo gauntlet and thermy, guna go mory last region. Does doom need prayer pen? using powered staves

[queen thicket]

Only technically because you can kill the bosses faster/do the content faster with relica

[little wraith]

pen makes doom easier

[frozen gyro]

should i keep it until doom grind then

[scenic garden]

gorillas

[tacit oyster]

doom prayer pen is very nice until you get ayak for grubs

[frozen gyro]

guess ill farm all my zenytes and doom before swapping

[odd radish]

damn ty 😭 i just wanted a better whistle than 5 charges and got it in 19 rumours, not even finished the outfit :( why cant i be spooned like this on my normal acc

[scenic garden]

I'm at 282 kc with 5 zenyte shards lol

but no monkey tails 🙁

[queen fable]

I like letting doom lick himself to death on thorns

[scenic garden]

liek 2 of every other part, just no tails

[merry sphinx]

idk what regions to pick

[scenic garden]

but I got 100% prayer pen for gauntlet so gonna go back and wreck those gorillas next time I see a black demon task

[merry sphinx]

I wanna try mory and wildy on the alt

what should #3 be

[queen thicket]

I just ignore them outright

Tank the doom blast and eat up

[merry sphinx]

kandarin is kind of op

[queen thicket]

Tank build makes it very easy to do so

Thorns build*

[modern ginkgo]

Silly q, if I've got 2.4k kc into skelly wyvs but swap to iron and steel drakes trying to get dcv drop, does my progress "reset" so to speak or do does it retain as they also drop th item?

[queen fable]

Different monster=different drop rate=different outcomes to get drop.
It's not cumulative.

[modern ginkgo]

Both are 1/2000

[queen fable]

It's not "additive" between monsters.
Your drop chance is higher on the monster you've been killing, strictly speaking from statistical standpoint.
But you (could) spoon a drop at a different monster.

[modern ginkgo]

Ah no worries, thank you for confirming mate

[cyan cove]

remember there is no drop rate

its 50 50 you get it or you dont

[queen fable]

^

[scenic garden]

2 left
only 25 chests and 30 kills w/o leaving to go

[cyan cove]

like I got a dragon chain body before occult necklace

[tawdry carbon]

im gonna see 99 slayer before ever seeing a smoke task

am i buggin

[cyan cove]

jk just got the necklace

[real thicket]

don't get discourged, you're always only at least 1 more kc away from the drop

[next dust]

GWD upgrade

have guthix, saradomin, and armadyl now

[modern ginkgo]

I am thankfully afk'ing for it but still

9 hours combined so far if not more lol

[tawdry carbon]

is there some way to unlock the task?

does duradel not assign them?

its in his task list

just bad rng?

[amber sleet]

anyone know if for the 30 moons in 1 trip achievement you need to not use evil eye to tp between rooms?

[queen fable]

When I chose culling, I did a few tasks and immediately unlocked task storage so I could store smoke devils for when I was ready to take on Thermy.
I'm using dura daddy
(And yes I've gottens smoke task)

[fair swallow]

anyone wana duo yama?

[tawdry carbon]

i did it with evil eye.

[shrewd ermine]

[tawdry carbon]

gzzzzzz

lets goooooo

[queen trail]

does ranged prayer is 30% more effective mean that eagle eye goes from 15 to 45% or from 15 to 20ish% ?

[scenic garden]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-25037715

[shrewd ermine]

I got the visage right before it too

[scenic garden]

can you store tasks part way thru?

[shrewd ermine]

good sutff for 8 kills

anyways time to die again

[fair swallow]

@scenic garden yes

[scenic garden]

imma store this rax task til I get more pacts then

[orchid blade]

found 2 more bugs, pickpocketing directly into a seed box does not multiply by 10 with larcenist, and juniper trees deplete with EH

[tawdry carbon]

no evil eye right?

[shrewd ermine]

nope

sadly

[tawdry carbon]

before u have house build u could evil eye -> gaunt to cure and heal all -> evil eye back to zul

after house zulrah->house->evil eye and so on

[merry sphinx]

completed it under the drop rate too

[tawdry carbon]

or evil eye after zulrah kill cuz its faster than walking after kill

its funny lol

[steep arrow]

Holy spoon wtf?

[shrewd ermine]

my current path is just go to aldarin, fairy ring, then go that way

[amber sleet]

"Ranged prayers are 30% more effective."

is different than:

"Ranged prayers add an additional 30% damage to their effects."

[steep arrow]

Are pet drop rates increased in leagues? No right?

[merry sphinx]

nope

[steep arrow]

wtf lol

[merry sphinx]

I have 4 pets on my alt from last year

[steep arrow]

I just wanted a venator 🙁

[merry sphinx]

and I got 2 pets this year

[tawdry carbon]

shoulda used that rng on maingame

[scenic garden]

what's 15 x 1.3?

[tawdry carbon]

so far my main game pet rng is better than my league pet rng...

hope it stays that way

mao

[steep arrow]

Im never lucky in main game lol

[rancid badge]

my friend is gonna play osrs for the first time, is it a bad idea to get them straight into leagues or is it better to just start with normal game

[tawdry carbon]

straight into leagues

yolo

[steep arrow]

had like 1k KC on demonic gorillas before I got a zenny on the iron

[merry sphinx]

leagues is so much more enjoyable than the main game for me

[steep arrow]

and was up to like 5k KC on shamans and no DWH

[scenic garden]

don't mind the high level haters, leagues is a good place to start

[tawdry carbon]

100%

[merry sphinx]

I can actually do the end game content cos I suck

[rancid badge]

i was thinking it could be more fun and more dopamine and fun levels and things too, but i thought it would be confusing with all the relics and just new things right

[shrewd ermine]

i have the opposite luck

[tawdry carbon]

nah just go into leagues

fuck it

[shrewd ermine]

got jad pet first try in fight caves

[tawdry carbon]

because

the leagues have the "Task list"

[shrewd ermine]

meanwhile bone dry for anything else ive done

[amber sleet]

if they were like new to osrs but had done some decent content up to maybe early/midgame i think telling them to send leagues would make sense to learn some content that would otherwise take a while for them to get to

[tawdry carbon]

that + wiki = their guiding star

[amber sleet]

but completely new i don't think they should send leagues

will be overwhelming

[tawdry carbon]

i brought a bunch of my completely new friends to osrs

straight to le.agues

[rancid badge]

completely new to runescape in general

[tawdry carbon]

task list + wiki

yes

i did that wit 3 ppl

task list + wiki button is in the client

[shrewd ermine]

im managing just fine despite not knowing half the content LOL

[tawdry carbon]

that can be their guiding star and everyones having fun

[shrewd ermine]

^

[tawdry carbon]

i advise it

a lot more

[shrewd ermine]

wiki has carried my knowledge in varlamore

[tawdry carbon]

i love the main game

but brand new to osrs leagues is a great place to start

[amber sleet]

well i just said if they are like new as in still at early/midgame then it makes sense

[steep arrow]

Honestly, I think temp game modes going into a game is super fun. I know it's not exactly the same but I got into Diablo 3 my first time during a season and was cranking

[tawdry carbon]

just because we have a great wiki and the task list can give them an idea of what to do

[balmy verge]

Does devil's element count as a shield when it comes to thorns?

[tawdry carbon]

so

if i did it with 3 people and they all love it

and they all dont play osrs

sure it can work for u

[shrewd ermine]

tbh im basically playing the game brand new because I used to be a bone runner in the main game, allowing me to skip a lot of things I'd have to do if I was, say, an ironman

[tawdry carbon]

just encourage them to use wiki and the task list

dont let ppl with fancy name colors gatekeep shit in here and say noooo play the maingame youll be shit blablalba

leagues are fun as hell

[pure karma]

why is corp shitting on me?

[tawdry carbon]

even for people who never play osrs

in fact

some people dont like the slow pace of the maingame

and like the wackiness of leagues

im sure osme new players to osrs will only want to play leagues

[rancid badge]

its not about being shit, theyre new to games in general and wanna play osrs cos of me, and i didnt want to overload them with new content and info which is what leagues may have done, so i suggested main game but now idk, maybe leagues may be more fun as a complete noobie

[tawdry carbon]

2 ppl in my firend circle are like that

[tawdry carbon]

l;eagues is more fun
again, theres a tasks list

what can be overwhelming is not knowing what to do next

[amber sleet]

i mean im sure it can work and people can enjoy it

[tawdry carbon]

with my friends i say "well lets pick something in the task list"

[amber sleet]

i just wouldn't recommend it personally

[tawdry carbon]

and theyve all been ahving fun since

all playing osrs every day

when historically they never touched it

so

[amber sleet]

i know for myself personally i would've probably been very jarred by going to the main game after leagues if it was my first experience

[tawdry carbon]

+3 players who never played osrs before, just wiht that approach

dont let ppl gatekeep

well who says they have to come back to maingame

maybe they dont fw the main game

but theyll love leagues

[amber sleet]

they don't have to

[steep arrow]

^^^

[tawdry carbon]

its similar on poe

[amber sleet]

i didn't say they had to

[tawdry carbon]

i onlY play ladders on poe. never standard

[steep arrow]

I love OSRS, but I just can't play main anymore. I only like leagues

[tawdry carbon]

i just look at my 11 years of trophies on standard and tahts it

[real thicket]

fr, ur not even wrong, if leagues is the first osrs they play, going main afterwards will be a massive culture shock... at the same time, missing leagues is gonna feel bad cause it's super fun

[amber sleet]

i mean this is like normal though

i don't know really anyone who plays standard on poe other than for testing

[mighty zodiac]

olm is tough ;-;

[tawdry carbon]

yeah and for people who dont have as much interest in main osrs , leagues are more appealing

[rancid badge]

yea i was just wondering if others had similar situations and what they recommended to their friends

[tawdry carbon]

youll get the hang of it. I used Synq's guides when i was learning solos back then.

[tawdry carbon]

yes, i told u that was me

i brought in 3 ppl who never played osrs before and theyre playing daily because leagues are sick

and the task list is a great boon

[mighty zodiac]

honestly i just did it blind for the first time, died a lot

[tawdry carbon]

they are all going different paths and different adventures

[tawdry carbon]

u really just need like 4-5 main bullet points for it to be smoother

[mighty zodiac]

i at least have a rough idea what he actually does now

[static arch]

Meanwhile anyone I try to get to try the game just pretends they'll think about it. 😂

[tawdry carbon]

olms attack cycle
the 3 quadrants
and the phases
and the specials... thats it

[real thicket]

my friends all play path of exile and stuff, so I just said it was like that and the base game is going to be much slower/more rewarding in the long run, but no shot they'll actually stick around for it, could probably get them into group ironman but idk if any of my friends would ever go for normal osrs

[mighty zodiac]

i think i got the specials under control it's just the everything else lmao

[tawdry carbon]

i invited them 20000x to regular osrs, nobody wanted to try
demonic pacts? they are on daily.

[mighty zodiac]

also final phase with the crystals

[tawdry carbon]

idk if anyone here in this chat has actually gone through and invited their non osrs friends and got them to stick to osrs via the leagues

but i have so

take whoevers advice u want

maybe theyll never come to main game

who cares

[real thicket]

yeah, I think leagues is probably a good way to get them into it, and who knows if they'll get hooked

[tawdry carbon]

if they come back every league, you have friends every league

win win.

exactly its an excellent sandbox

[mighty zodiac]

may not have been via leagues but i may have gotten someone interested lol

[amber sleet]

i have friends who play osrs main very very casually to the point where they have played on and off for years but still haven't touched even scurrius

[real thicket]

but at least leagues will let them experience where they're going, and now "this is a cow pen, gl, see you in 4 hours" osrs

[amber sleet]

and i can't get them to play leagues at all

so

definitely different strokes for different folks

[tawdry carbon]

i got my friends hooked with huey in leagues

[steep arrow]

am I blind or is the GoTR bank chest not on the bankers briefcase?

[fleet ibex]

Get their hopes up with good xp drops only to get crushed by reality when leagues ends

[real thicket]

if they get to fight moons and some of the other cooler bosses or see the content, it might hook them

[mighty zodiac]

this is a cow pen

enjoy the cow boss

[rancid badge]

i thought leagues is more dopamine, more fun, but tbh if i was completely new, seeing a big ass task list, relics, pact tree, i thought it would just be more overwhelming than running around lumbridge and exploring on your own and just doing random things

[tawdry carbon]

i got mine hooked w huey

like

they were scared/overwhelmed at first

but after a couple runs together talking to each other

[shrewd ermine]

just make sweet love to the wiki

[tawdry carbon]

the pvming "clicked"

and now they want to do more

raids bosses etc

[real thicket]

just don't let them go to zeah or do cox as first raid, unless they're weirdos that like puzzle games n shit

take them to toa or tob

[tawdry carbon]

yeah do the fun raids

since u can brute force them you only use a fraction of the strategy you normally do so its more fun and fast paced

[real thicket]

morty good place, get them hooked on barrows

[tawdry carbon]

i think varlamore being the starting area is amaizng

[real thicket]

yeah, varlamore is great

[tawdry carbon]

my friends all loved the shit out of it

huey, the skilling, the music/variety/aesthetic

moon dungeon

the thing is

it might seem overwhelming with tasks/pacts/whatever

But the reality is this

just pick tasks that sound interesting, use the wiki, for the tree pick whatever combat style thematically sounds cool to you

and relics pick whatever seems fun to you

thats it

there is no best no right no wrong only fun

that was my approach to my friends

i didnt give them the "start the league with this task list! optimized!" bullshit

i said lets just walk around together and figure things out wiht the task list

[real thicket]

honestly, the task list and progression is probably the best part of osrs for a new player

[gilded totem]

Execute doesn't work on echo dks 🙁 Guess it's because they use a shared health pool or something but, kinda dumb

[real thicket]

imagine getting dumped into lumbridge on a member account as a new player

like tf u gonna do, there is 0 game direction

[little wraith]

the point of playing games is to have fun not to play more games

[tawdry carbon]

we spent the first 7 hours of the league just walking around and doing random fucing tasks

[real thicket]

at least tasks give you direction

[tawdry carbon]

like "oh maybe chopping this tree is a task?" "oh i need 30 woodcutting"

that type of shit

that was fun for everyone

[amber sleet]

they actually added a recommended content progression list to the game

[real thicket]

oh yeah, that's a thing now isn't iit

is it good?

[amber sleet]

it's not without flaws

[little wraith]

meh

[amber sleet]

but it is not bad i dont think

[real thicket]

at least they're trying

[gilded totem]

I mean, did you skip tutorial Island?

[amber sleet]

it gives new players direction enough to probably then gain some autonomy once they find things to do on their own too

if u watch madseason's experience with osrs he uses it

[real thicket]

the only thing a new player is gonna learn on tutorial island is how to burn shrimp and that smithing is awful

[queen fable]

How to get lvl 3 in those skills before leaving!
XD

[tawdry carbon]

yeah one of my friend spent the first day on tutorial island/lumbridge because he didnt understand the league world thing and he didnt start at the same day we all did

[jovial tiger]

im so sick of doom, i hate this pos boss

[tawdry carbon]

he wasnt jiving with it

And then i told him dude go to the leagues owrlds

[next dust]

lol

[tawdry carbon]

he was having 200x more fun

[real thicket]

let's be totally honest here too, runescape main game is painfully slow for most ppl these days

no one has the attention span we did 15 years ago

[tawdry carbon]

its not just attension span

[gilded totem]

It teaches you fundamentals. Not just skills. Then you explore and see what happens. The goal isn't to go into Gielenor with a plan and be at ToA in a month. It's too push buttons and see what happens

[real thicket]

we know now what we get by doing stuff and what the content can be like later on, but as a new player, hell no

[tawdry carbon]

its just less exciting

[amber sleet]

why tf did my runelite just earblast me that it took a screenshot of my 63 moons kc?

[tawdry carbon]

the relic system alone makes it interesting

your character feels more personal

permanent decisions with some type of character identity

it clicks a bit better w some people

especially who like char identity

[jovial tiger]

i love the subreddit, "new afk skilling method?"

Reddit: F OFF NO DIE NOOOOOOOOOO

Also Reddit: "AFK CRAB is BEST THING ADDED TO GAME IN YEARS!"

"DONT TOUCH SALVAGING IN SAILING!!!!"

[gilded totem]

RuneScape isn't a game, it's a world, where things happen slowly. Like in real life.

[real thicket]

honestly after playing for like 22 years, I think it's a damn shame jagex isn't embracing leagues and trying to do them 2-3 times/year and put more effort into it

like did you guys see the player count for demonic pacts league? shit is wild

[gilded totem]

6 months of leagues

[tawdry carbon]

"oh i want to be a mage"

you know what osrs players say?
"Oh, there is no "be a mage", you are everything."

"oh..."

[gilded totem]

I mean yes and no

[tawdry carbon]

even if its technically ocrrect

let people live their fucking fantasy

lmao

[scenic garden]

12 more chest til these CAs are done

[tawdry carbon]

its a game

[tawdry carbon]

nice i finished all those yesterday along w/ all moon sets

was fun

[gilded totem]

You can focus one, but you'll need all three in order to get bis gear

[tawdry carbon]

let them just focus on one

[real thicket]

you're only a mage until you get to something like varlamore with 500 magic defence on literally everything, then you're looking for the nearest warhammer

[tawdry carbon]

let them make their own adventure

whocares about efficiency lol

[spring cipher]

it took me a solid 2 years before i learned bossing

and another 4 years to max

so its accurate

[real thicket]

that's honestly fair time

[scenic garden]

I'm at 4 pieces so far (2 pieces of blood moon + blood weapon + blue weapon). hoping I get most of that before the chest CA

[tawdry carbon]

nice

[gilded totem]

I still can't do barrows outside of leagues lol

[tawdry carbon]

on main game, I loved questing and PvMing

[gilded totem]

Mostly a stats thing

[tawdry carbon]

So i did all the quests, then just focused on comat stats to do bosses

[real thicket]

I have some friends that started 2 to 3 years ago and they still get dumpstered by jad

[tawdry carbon]

in 1./10th the playtime i had more raid/boss kc than a lot of ppl who were gatekeeping

[past forge]

abyssal whip 60 KC not bad!

[tawdry carbon]

So

dont listen to teh fuckin toxic gatekeepers

find your fun enjoy the journey

[scenic garden]

barrows is like entry level bossing

[tawdry carbon]

they probably more shit at pvm than u think

[gilded totem]

Shhhhh

Eoc in osrs when?

[real thicket]

let's be honest, like 80% of the ppl playing are

that's also why they enjoy leagues

[tawdry carbon]

u should have seen how toxic this chat was to me earlier

[spring cipher]

[tawdry carbon]

whe ni asked questions about bosses i hadnt seen cuz i was on hiatius

[real thicket]

cause they can cast water spells and do content they're never going to do on main

[tawdry carbon]

but i have plenty of cm expy tob expy etc

lmao

if i havent seen the boss i dont need a wiki page
i need 2 sentences to clear it

[real thicket]

and like that's totally fair too though, leagues is great to experience stuff and then want to try it later on main or not

[scenic garden]

I still get dumpstered by Jad in leagues

[gilded totem]

About to unlock ToB in a bit for leagues. See how my Gridmaster training pays off

[scenic garden]

at least before I had mage thorns going I did

[tawdry carbon]

im still melee

becuase i like pvming

[scenic garden]

in Gridmaster it took me like 60 tries to get the fire cape >_>

[tawdry carbon]

im only gonna switch after sol and inferno

[gilded totem]

Now that's something I can do ironically. Ticks are my forte

[tawdry carbon]

but i wanna get like 2 more pact points off echo thermy

[tawdry carbon]

we have jad sims and stuff so you can get a lot of practice in b4 u even walk in

[real thicket]

jad is all about tempo and camping mage and having a chinchompa or ice barrage

[tawdry carbon]

when i was teaching tob i used the p2 verzik sim quite a bit

[scenic garden]

It's just so boring and needlessly long. There's no reason it should be over 60 waves for Fight Cave and Inferno

[tawdry carbon]

for p3 id always just tell them to pass me tank

[real thicket]

only shit part of learning jad is actually doing fight cave

[tawdry carbon]

^^^^^

[gilded totem]

With Jad, all you have to learn is the tick the magic attack comes out. Pray ranged the rest of the time

[tawdry carbon]

fight cave is so slow paced

its un fun

[scenic garden]

the only reason it took me 60 tries was cause I kept falling asleep halfway thru and dying to something

[real thicket]

but I don't think you have to do that anymore? can't you like fight fake jad or something?

[tawdry carbon]

thats a big part of what makes cox so fucking boring

the downtime in rooms

and what makes tob so fun

fight fight fight fihgt

[amber sleet]

u need to beat jad once to get to the challenge guy

[real thicket]

that's shit

jagex fix that

[amber sleet]

he's in inner mor ul rek

[tawdry carbon]

u can always practice jad on speedrun worlds

lol

[amber sleet]

and u need a fire cape to get there

[formal gulch]

People practice by going into speedrun worlds.

[tawdry carbon]

^^^^

[formal gulch]

They give a free fire cape.

[amber sleet]

you can do that without doing the fight cave itself?

i've never touched speedrun worlds so

[tawdry carbon]

yea

[formal gulch]

You're also fighting a tougher Jad with more HP and more healers, I think.

[amber sleet]

interesting

[torn pasture]

Hello 👋🤗

[tawdry carbon]

the speedrun outfit is awesome

[formal gulch]

And worse gear.

[tawdry carbon]

thats the funny thing

sometimes u see ppl with like

1500 tob kc

but >1k deaths

lmaoaoaoaoa

and they choose to gatekeep osrs

disgusting

[formal gulch]

Me when I do TOB in the future:

[tawdry carbon]

as long as u dont gatekeep/elitism

who cares

[real thicket]

I think the other discouraging thing is watching the pvm gods do content and then thinking normal ppl do that too, then getting shit on for actually trying to do bosses

[formal gulch]

Minus the gatekeep part.

[real thicket]

like purespam killing 700 jads on league

[tawdry carbon]

i never gatekeep shit

i raid with anyone

idgaf

[real thicket]

like no

[tawdry carbon]

and my kdr is still better than the ppl too scared to let low kcers in

so fuck em

u wanna see some funny shit

pretend u dont know the raid and ask for advice in this disc or ingame or clans

the elitism that comes out is so ugly

lmao

[formal gulch]

I thought TOB people don't really gatekeep, they just prefer to raid with people with better gear or something.

[tawdry carbon]

sometimes

[formal gulch]

Also I need TOB in leagues.

[tawdry carbon]

a lot of the time they dont wanna carry/explain a lot

cuz it just makes the raid take longer

[spring cipher]

what you dont see is the amount of failures they go through before getting good at the content vs people who die once and quit

[merry sphinx]

are u meant to tag the agility dispenser every time

in the wildy

[tawdry carbon]

are you on NA ping? im on cupertino timezone so the ping can be rly rough

[merry sphinx]

or can you do 100 laps without tagging every time

[spring cipher]

the answer is to never give up and take your Wins one step at a time

[tawdry carbon]

exaactly. it took me 9? 10? deaths at corrupted gauntlet before i started clearing at a 90% rate

[formal gulch]

Am in NA.

[real thicket]

framed "how much money can I make in one day... answer 284m"

opens bank, 3m cash stack
fuck you framed, love you bro

[tawdry carbon]

lmk whenever u wanna send it. ill rip it

[formal gulch]

I died like 50-60 times before my first kc.

[tawdry carbon]

i have everything i need from tob

yea but i have lots of mechanics

[formal gulch]

I'm scared of TOB.

[tawdry carbon]

immo2 on val was ge on cs had a on ESEA

dont be scared

i said it all the time

FEAR is what holds u back

not skill

[spring cipher]

that just comes with experience and if u dont gain experience how do you learn how to copy him

lol

[past forge]

woah 2 abby whips in 82 kills is that good rng? lol

[tawdry carbon]

its fear bro

not skill

ur fears fucking ur nerves, ur nerves are fucking ur execution

[spring cipher]

300m a day is possible if you play all day and spoon a drop or two

[tawdry carbon]

fear that ur gonna get gatekept by elitist jerks in game and in this chat

[spring cipher]

but i would say unrealistic lol

[pallid moth]

my steak is too juicy, I haven't gotten an avarice

[formal gulch]

Do I need to watch a vid before going into tob?

[rare hollow]

going to do inferno

[tawdry carbon]

only like 5mins

i taught someone in here earlier

[ripe turtle]

yo are u guys tobbing

[rare hollow]

do i need a 2nd fire cape

[real thicket]

are you killing the superior rev?

[tawdry carbon]

ill send u smth @formal gulch

check dms

[ripe turtle]

i'll hop in im a tob doer

[real thicket]

drop rate for avarice is a lot higher from it

[ripe turtle]

if u have spots

[scenic garden]

blood moon done

[potent quail]

yeah dry at CG in leagues e,e
did the math there is a 0.78% chance to have 3 or less armor seeds at 100 clears

there is a 98% chance to get 6 or more armor seeds at 100 clears

[pallid moth]

I've gotten three superiors so far, about half of the rest are dragons, 1/4th knights, 1/4th dark beasts

[real thicket]

unlucky

[tawdry carbon]

sure

whenever someone wants to run it

im down

i wont gatekeep shit

like jerks in here who tihnk theyre good

[fleet ibex]

Yeah but 7 weapon seeds!

[pallid moth]

skulled and on task too

[ripe turtle]

lmk if u guys need a 5th i am tobber

[tawdry carbon]

of course

whne he wants to run ill ping u

[ripe turtle]

Favorite thing in leagues is teaching raids haha

[potent quail]

i am also dry on the weapon seedsXD but much less dry

[real thicket]

cox crab puzzle ftw

[gilded totem]

The only thing to fear, is barrels in fences

[real thicket]

was trapped in there for 20 minutes teaching ppl the room lmao

[fleet ibex]

Guardians ftw

[ripe turtle]

[tawdry carbon]

thats why i taught more tob than cox

[ripe turtle]

yeh thats also why i dont teach cox hahahaha

i just do that room for them

[scenic garden]

https://tenor.com/view/good-god-david-david-rose-dan-levy-schitts-creek-gif-20791134

anyone else remember the ever-changing barrel?

[merry sphinx]

is blighted food allowed outside of wildy in leagues?

[real thicket]

no

eat all your blighted manta rays on sight

the blight just adds flavour

[potent quail]

complaining does help lmao

[tawdry carbon]

gzzzz

i mean like

if u look at it

[potent quail]

not what i wanted

[past forge]

gzzz!!

[potent quail]

but yeah ty

[tawdry carbon]

i got 4? 5? ppl in this chat to do tob

[ripe turtle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/wizard-soup-ugly-food--k01KQN8E8FCH74FBFGAGQV85ZQX

[tawdry carbon]

who would never ahve touched out cuz of fear

[ripe turtle]

blighted soup

[tawdry carbon]

versus what the colored name gatekeepers do

act high and mighty

and do nothing to contribute

smh

they should give me a custom color for my services

[real thicket]

[scenic garden]

weird, cause I was ripping hunllef a new one in here a bunch last night and not even an armour seed. maybe that's why I got the blessing at 3 kc tho.

[potent quail]

yeah i heard this from multiple people already

[potent quail]

idk maybe just unlucky and survivorship bias

[scenic garden]

why did they have to make hunllef worse when he's already the worst boss in the game

[tawdry carbon]

hunlef is an excellent boss

[little wraith]

CG legitimately got me +3mil crafting and smithing xp

[fleet ibex]

Yeah hunllef is great, it's just the prep that's ass

[potent quail]

i will ping jagex when i get 3 enhanced seeds before i get my fourth armor seed

[potent quail]

preparation sucks though

[tawdry carbon]

yes it does

thats why echo is awesome

and its a more fun boss

the spec weapon

the extra nados and the range also having prayer inversion

[tawdry carbon]

If they put echo in main game, i would not complain at all

id doit over cg

[little wraith]

I just do t2 staff 2 fish and go

[tawdry carbon]

just for fun

[spring cipher]

wait till leagues is over and teach them main game so it actually has a use

[amber sleet]

i'm pretty sure most people would do echo over normal cg in main

[ripe turtle]

People are less adventurous in main game

[amber sleet]

most pacts don't even work in cg anyways

so it wouldnt be very different

[fleet jungle]

[real thicket]

the prep time is the worst of it tbh

[potent quail]

in main game?

[little wraith]

god no

[tawdry carbon]

i put my main game setup i did whgen i was beelining the pet but

[ripe turtle]

i teach TOA but like the barrier to entry is MUCH higher for them to start and most people don't even want to try

so like yknow

[tawdry carbon]

fr

[potent quail]

100%
isnt echo jsut 100 more hp
and more mechanics?

so other then that its the same

[spring cipher]

only barrier to entry is their mental~

[ripe turtle]

it gives them the confidence to be like "oh I know how to do this, can't be that hard to start"

[tawdry carbon]

and gatekeepers.

[fleet jungle]

it's been a talk before but they wouldn't change how cg works even though the echo is more engaging

[ripe turtle]

yeh exactly and thats why teaching in leagues is great

[fleet jungle]

can be but it's mostly folks own mental or laziness

[ripe turtle]

confidence is key

[fleet jungle]

generally the latter 2

[ripe turtle]

^^^^ i agree with this

[real thicket]

I know it's like.. not in the spirit of oldschool.. but jagex really needs to do some passes over old content

[crystal kelp]

This leagues seems especially worse for it, I've been running tobs and HMTs with randos and it definitely feels like a lot of "I don't need to watch a video or know what to do, water thorns will win"

[real thicket]

some stuff is just awful

[spring cipher]

what is there to teach but flasking to tank random shit and spam combo eating with sustinence

[fleet jungle]

For sure

[potent quail]

i do think CG needs a look at, it is a Cornerstone of Ironman progression and feels for players like mandatory content.

During the Streamer stuff where the game got a lot of popularity we did lose tons of streamers because of CG/During game progression CG grind was always feared

[ripe turtle]

oh god no hmt is a lost cause haha

[fleet ibex]

Corp in the corner, sweating

[fleet jungle]

people think that leagues skills transfers over to the main game and it's hilarious

[ripe turtle]

especially because nobody took freezes

[fleet jungle]

something that can be re-worked and be like nex/nm

[tawdry carbon]

itook freezes just to be a nice guy

[crystal kelp]

A lot of things "need a look at" but I doubt they will

[polar oyster]

lol I just saw this thing very shortly on Misc near fairy ring

[tawdry carbon]

depends on how they approach the league

[ripe turtle]

bro it LITERALLY DOES, it's just a safety cushion for them to learn mechanics

[tawdry carbon]

theres smeone in here who is doing CG the right way

they posted vods and asked me to review

[spring cipher]

mfw they leak all crabs and wipe “wdym i have to do mechanics”

[tawdry carbon]

that will transfer 100%

[real thicket]

I mean, you can learn mechanics on leagues and at least see what you're in for

[tawdry carbon]

the one thing that wont transfer tob wise is 100% maiden crabs

[fleet jungle]

nah it really doesn't. It can to some level if you have limited pacts

[tawdry carbon]

Ive been freezing for everybody in league

[fleet jungle]

But generally it's not 1:1

[crystal kelp]

I've done HMTs where the maze has taken out 3/5 of my team and people just not DD for bombs

[real thicket]

and it's less punishing to attempt bosses on leagues

that's a lot of it tbh

[fleet jungle]

it's good however for reducing nerves yes

not really ideal for mechanics

[ripe turtle]

yeh and the people that don't know how to do raids probably don't have many pacts

[real thicket]

the water dudes face tanking every mechanic might be in for a surprise, but even then at least they can see how the boss works

[ripe turtle]

this too

[crystal kelp]

I agree, my take is always that leagues is not the right place to learn mechanics unless you're actively making it close to main game

[fleet jungle]

yeah I'm not saying to not try content on leagues, but noticing folks post leagues, it's very telling

[ripe turtle]

like I was somebody who got into raiding specificall because of leagues lol

[potent quail]

my point is, CG is so important it clears the bar for this

[fleet jungle]

If you've been around, this isn't anything new

[ripe turtle]

my clanmates pushed me into it

[real thicket]

oh yeah, 90% of them are screwed, tbf

but that's why most players just don't do pvm/bossing

[ripe turtle]

without them doing that and me learning it in a risk-free environment like dude i wouldn't be able to do shit

[fleet ibex]

To be fair, you can go a pretty long way in the base game, even as an iron, without doing gauntlet

[tawdry carbon]

i think its a bad idea to generalize everybody into a bucket of "some leagues players are jerkswith egos when they pvm in the maingame and they suck"
when you have people who like the gameplay, and want to learn, you should not gatekeep them just because tehy did it in a risk free environment.

[fleet jungle]

yeah that's all I was saying

it's very rare that someone slows down and actually mentors because it's too fast paced

[crystal kelp]

Eh... I've seen enough low level ironmen with shadows to disagree

[potent quail]

like i aint learnign CG in maingame right nowXD

at most how to dodge tornados and the attack counting

but no gear switch and lots of healing for me

[ripe turtle]

plus water mage with thorns can't even really clear cox/tob a lot of the time

[crystal kelp]

I'd honestly rather they did learn in a risk environment so I know they're paying attention

[fleet jungle]

folks barely gatekeep I promise

[ripe turtle]

u still gotta engage with mechanics

[real thicket]

yeah, like even out of my friend circle, most of them do maybe slayer, and a couple bosses like royal titans or something and that's about it

[tawdry carbon]

u werent in here before with how toxic this chat was and when they thought i was a noob pvmer only to show i have more kc in some raids
with better k/d

[real thicket]

they're never going to do doom or go to wave 12 in colosseum

[potent quail]

also weapon seed number 8

[fleet jungle]

it's generally one bad experience with someone who doesn't want a learner. But there's so many communites and discord groups that take folks all the time

[crystal kelp]

Gz

[real thicket]

leagues is the only time they'll actually do any of it

[tawdry carbon]

i try to keep it positive in this chat but

its disgusting

way too often

[fleet jungle]

tbf I'm not going to say much with no context, but kc is a bad metric of skill

[tawdry carbon]

thats why i included kdr

[fleet jungle]

well that's also very skewed

[crystal kelp]

I'm all for letting them have fun and doing the content, I still feel sad people will jump in without even looking at a guide

[fleet ibex]

These last two weeks the chat has seemed perfectly chill lmao

[tawdry carbon]

yeah sure u can be carried

[fleet jungle]

for example, the best players have more deaths than kill

[real thicket]

I was rank 9 hydra killer, clearly a pvm god (dies to 3 jads like 6 times)

[tawdry carbon]

yeah cuz thats after i started callign shit out instead of only helping/asking

[fleet jungle]

so kdr is also not really telling

[tawdry carbon]

so ur welcome for that

[fleet jungle]

happens

[crystal kelp]

There's that clip of coxie saying this, his high tob KC then dying soon after

[fleet jungle]

death is a part of learning content

[ripe turtle]

whar

[tawdry carbon]

yes but the thing is
if ur lower expy in anything, and you gatekeep/are a jerk?
then they are part of the problem

and u dont have authority to lean on

[real thicket]

my attention spam doesn't last longer than 6 game ticks, not my fault tbh

[tawdry carbon]

thats the point im making

[fleet jungle]

what?

[fleet jungle]

yeah then they're jerks sure

[tawdry carbon]

why else do u think i contribute so much in this chat, i help review vods, and i even changed my nick to make a statement

[fringe schooner]

is the cat leroy?

[tawdry carbon]

that type of crap pushes new players away

[ripe turtle]

more deaths than kills is a bad player... a more adventurous one sure but good players don't fail raids...

[tawdry carbon]

IMO has no place in the community

[tawdry carbon]

its a mixed bag, i didnt say it was one or the other absolutely

[fleet jungle]

I mean folks in other channels would think I'm gatekeeping because I'm blunt but folks usually disregard solved game advice

[tawdry carbon]

i was saying
if u dont have the kdr, clear count, etc. to fall back on your authority, dont talk down to people or discourage them from experienceing the game

[potent quail]

btw my CG idea:

1. add echo Hunleff to main game
2. add a pstaff weapon you can make with enhanced weapon seeds

so new players -> have the option to skip prep if they have the skill
old players -> have a reason to revist CG and can use the new echo boss

[fleet jungle]

not at all. Look at any tob or cox rec folks, they have more deaths due to resets and whatnot

[real thicket]

counter idea, delete priff and all the dirty elves and replace it with the new dueling arena sand casino

[tawdry carbon]

i fall into a 80/20 rule on some things
Yes there are solves, but if youre not going for 10000% efficiency, clearing with a 15-20% efficiency loss but having fun with friends or making new friends can be more fun

[fleet ibex]

I'd honestly just take a 1/800 drop rate with no prep vs 1/400 with prep as an option, echo be damned

[urban wigeon]

[tawdry carbon]

my 0.02$

[crystal kelp]

Close enough

[tawdry carbon]

u did 2 basic laps i think

[urban wigeon]

Ah, the other route gotcha

[tawdry carbon]

yep

[fleet jungle]

like I run max eff content and I die quite a bit, but I also have a faster avg time than maybe 95% of folks. Deaths always happen and is not bad. Deaths are ass when folks in general don't bother to learn, but don't really affect a good team

[tawdry carbon]

agree. i dont care how good you are. i only bring that shit up when people are elitist , condescending, or gatekeep/discourage newbies

its best to pretend everyone has 0kc and talk in an objective sense

[fleet jungle]

fun is a weird topic always but it's generally what works for you. I always push for eff but sure there's some leeways with certain folks I agree

[tawdry carbon]

🙂

[crystal kelp]

Max eff raids are fun because the pacing keeps things moving

[fleet jungle]

I only talk objectively and get called elitist mate. It's a lose lose argument no matter what (for me)

[fleet jungle]

exactly

[crystal kelp]

Funnily enough, some people get mad if you say things objectively because "it's not the way they're doing it" and get offended

[real thicket]

ppl gonna get mad no matter what you do

[fleet jungle]

I'm behind some gear progs and have helped the raids community for years but it doesn't matter to folks

[crystal kelp]

Gear progs are such a good tool and people get mad about it

[fringe schooner]

it doesn't go unnoticed

[real thicket]

ppl get really mad when you show them an untrimmed runecrafting cape on an account with 57 slayer too

[uneven stag]

The league-only TzHarr-Ket-Rak challenge is an infinite 6-jad fight, right? How does one 'complete' it per the pact task?

[real thicket]

slayer shit skill

[fleet jungle]

I get called elitist almost daily so it kinda lost its meaning to me

[crystal kelp]

League only is different

[ripe turtle]

i think its like 18 jads or something

[fleet jungle]

yeah 666

[crystal kelp]

League only is 6 jads with some other inferno mobs in it

[amber sleet]

it's not that one, it's the league specific challenge

[shrewd ermine]

is this a boss worth doing? I assume it's similar to zulrah in difficulty?

[amber sleet]

there's infinite jads and then there's the league specific challenge

[uneven stag]

that's a different task

[real thicket]

yeah, worth doing

[uneven stag]

I didn't realise the league specific challenge was different to the infinite one

[real thicket]

mechanics are punishing but fairly straight forward

[fleet jungle]

ahhh yeah

[crystal kelp]

Worth doing if you want ultor ring or the tasks with it or virtus (for some reason)

[potent quail]

brother
my brain is mush
did 25 echo hun in a row no problem
now i died 3 times in a row

[crystal kelp]

Yeah, if you've done 6 jads you'll see 2 different options when you talk to the guy

[real thicket]

the tornados just be in the wrong spot sometimes

[shrewd ermine]

iirc there's also the BIS ring there too right?

[uneven stag]

...so I can.

clearly my brain is mush

[pallid moth]

does anyone know if doing ket-rek's challenges keep the metamorph option for the jad pet into future leagues? or will I need to do them each time to change his appearance?

[fleet jungle]

you preserve pets each league

[ripe turtle]

i believe so yes

along with any other transmogs

[tawdry carbon]

yeah not talking abt you

[potent quail]

nah jsut focus, lots of wrong prayers

[tawdry carbon]

obviously u didnt block me

😉

[fleet jungle]

yeah I'm just saying in general

it's legit a daily thing

but that's ok

[real thicket]

echo hun should be combatable in outside gear

lemme stand on it's face with a dinh's bulwark, it's leagues

[potent quail]

nah

i do really like how they did it

all other bosses are doable in outside gear

[real thicket]

it's challenging and fun in it's own way, fair

stuff like kdb feels kind of sad