leagues-general

[odd idol]

w647 toa

[primal merlin]

abundance is amazing

but only if you abuse it

and a new player has no way to

[fluid fable]

Abundance is um

Bad transmute

[tough finch]

Leagues is such a fun knowledge check

[supple minnow]

im on abundance. its fine

[fluid fable]

For the most part

[glossy reef]

Abundance is fine imo

[primal merlin]

abundance is a rush while competing for first relic

[fluid fable]

Honestly i just compare everything to transmute, and everything always loses

Transmutes almost, almost too good

[primal merlin]

otherwise you pick endless harvest and make it get you xp every time you go to work/take a shit/sleep

[glossy reef]

really Transmute looked awful to be honest

[fluid fable]

But not actually. Jagex pls put it in every league forever

[fluid fable]

Its nuts

[primal merlin]

transmutes good

wouldve been nice for seeds

[fluid fable]

It solves litterally every problem

[primal merlin]

but i havent missed it other than for that

[cloud panther]

I love transmute

and transmute loves me

[cloud basin]

It doesn't... But yes it's so flexible it fills in a lot of gaps

[primal merlin]

like it wouldve been good for tree seeds for me and thats it

[glossy reef]

I mean ultimately what good does it do you though?

[fluid fable]

Not quite

[glossy reef]

Transmute that is

[fluid fable]

It comes pretty damn close tho

[noble pine]

for starters. its 2.5mish xp/hr

[primal merlin]

while butler solves things like herb/smithing way harder than transmute ever could dream to

[noble pine]

just afk

[fluid fable]

The only thing i can really say it could of done with, was being able to transmute bars instead of only ores

[sudden temple]

relict 7 what i take=?

[glossy reef]

Like consider the max tier of all transmutable things, I already have most of those things and if I don't its not really worth it

[sudden temple]

endless harves / hotfoot / buttlewr ?

[primal merlin]

what regions are you

and what do you need to solve still

[glossy reef]

@sudden temple imo reloaded is the only answer

[fluid fable]

Like transmute and hot toesies not synergising is kinda goofy

[sudden temple]

priffd , kourend ,mort

[shrewd ermine]

How do you get "free" crafting/smithing by picking tirannwyn + larcenist? I know it has to do with crystal shards. do you need a weapon seed first? do you just destroy the weapon, get the seed back, rinse and repeat?

[sudden temple]

but with reload

[fluid fable]

For 2 whole relic points i think it deserved to be as busted as it could of been

[chilly pine]

you thieve the teleport seeds that turn into shards, which are used to craft armour pieces repeatedly

[noble pine]

picks hot feet -> stands at gem store in aldarin for 8hrs

[glossy reef]

@sudden temple what does flow state net you though?

[primal merlin]

nothing

flow states shit

[glossy reef]

yep

reloaded is the only answer imo

[fluid fable]

Flow state feels like it just comes in too late

If it were a tier 1 it would be good

[cloud basin]

I'm reloading into grimoire

[shrewd ermine]

but you need the armour seed too to make the gear right?

[fluid fable]

But ljke, tier 7 u should be pretty much done with skilling

Other than xp grinds

[chilly pine]

ye, you get it back after disassembling

[noble pine]

yall dont wanna 2t the fishies at tempo? smh

[primal merlin]

and is there any skills you need to solve better?

[noble pine]

Flow State #1 Relic

[primal merlin]

ok tbh

[shrewd ermine]

gotcha. and crafting it gives smithing and crafting exp?

[primal merlin]

in his case flow state is ok

[glossy reef]

I'm likely gonna reload into conniving clues

[chilly pine]

ye

[primal merlin]

cause flow state + map zeah rc is kinda beans

[shrewd ermine]

ok ty :)

[fluid fable]

Reloads got so many options

Hardest choice in tbe game

[sudden temple]

agility , herb , mining

[fluid fable]

Im between. cull, eye, and most probably soul harvest

[glossy reef]

see though if you have butler right and hot foot you can just run around and passively gain agility

and drop mine

[chilly pine]

multiply these numbers with your league exp multiplier

[glossy reef]

and it also solves herb too

[fluid fable]

Toesies has agility going for it

Which is big.. allegedly

[glossy reef]

I HATE training agility

[fluid fable]

With infinite run

[primal merlin]

ugh hm

[fluid fable]

And amazing teleports

[misty sigil]

You do have to do a load of ape atoll laps anyway

[primal merlin]

yep

and ima do fishing as my 200m

so 20m from there too

[fluid fable]

Is there only 1 200m?

Or every skill 200m task

[primal merlin]

you need 1 200m skilling skill and one for combat

[fluid fable]

Icic

[primal merlin]

well

needs a strong word

[noble pine]

you dont have larcenist?

[fluid fable]

I do

[noble pine]

sorry, wrong tag. meant for nemo

[fluid fable]

Idk how its relevent to the question

Ah ic

[primal merlin]

I don't

[fluid fable]

I assume ill 200m magic by accident over time. So ill just say thats the 200m for me

[noble pine]

prayer 200m is easy

[primal merlin]

I did a bit of a fumble on my reload

i couldve done larc and been completely ok

well

actually nvm

i fumbled on tp relic

[glossy reef]

my current relic build is "Abundance, Hotfoot, Alacrity (teir 3 is just meh), Butler, Larcenist, Grimore, Reloaded (can't decide if I want to do Sustenance or Clues), and Minion"

[misty sigil]

200m magic is free with transmute though

[glossy reef]

thats my plan

[primal merlin]

i dont regret the rest after

[fluid fable]

I almost dont wanna take soul coz it makes my bone grind a bit of a wastr

[noble pine]

banks? lol

[primal merlin]

200m magic is always free

[primal merlin]

nah eye

[supple minnow]

they mean, you cast transmmute, and then it gets you 200m on its own

[fluid fable]

I got a few hundred bones sitting in bank, need like 1500 to 99 on a bouse alter

[noble pine]

eyes decent. just off varly you got fairy and a bank

[misty sigil]

Teomat brother

[glossy reef]

Soul only really solves prayer though and you can bust that shit out immediately at the ralos wine bowl

[primal merlin]

what no it solves rc

theres no good rc this league without it

[noble pine]

yea soul is for rc lol

[fluid fable]

Soul deals with the fact that i dont want to farm

It sucks and i dont like it. And everytime i skip a farm run it hurts me down the line

Feels like a reasonable stopper

[glossy reef]

idk man trading souls for larcenist

[fluid fable]

I have larc

[glossy reef]

or even natures

[fluid fable]

Im talking about reload

[misty sigil]

That's why reload into souls

[primal merlin]

id never take natures

but i can get 50m thieving manually

thats nbd

[glossy reef]

farming solve plus teleport what seems bad about that?

[primal merlin]

farms easy a f

tp only useful for the farming

thats fine

[fluid fable]

Its easy but sucks

[primal merlin]

and the funny part

it wouldnt even be a sovle for me

i still need the seeds

[glossy reef]

a tele to all fairy ring, spirit trees, and leps?

thats a insane tele

[fluid fable]

What does that?

[glossy reef]

natures

[fluid fable]

Is that natures accord

Ye trhe

[supple minnow]

accord -> insta herbs

[primal merlin]

i agree its good

but meh

[fluid fable]

I mean, i still wouldnt wanna do it

[supple minnow]

i use my fairy mushy all the time

[fluid fable]

The part that kills me in managing compost

[primal merlin]

only cause of secondaries and forages is inf better

[supple minnow]

what

[glossy reef]

@supple minnow thats what I am saying it seems like a straight up S teir relic choice

[supple minnow]

you're not worried about making 3k of one potion with oddball ingredients

[chilly pine]

you can transmute the compost

[supple minnow]

and if you were, just go get them

[fluid fable]

Every time i fuck around with filling some buckets with compost im just so acutely aware that this accounts gonns get deleted in 2 months

[pure karma]

what revs should i kill for the weapons?

[chilly pine]

bought from the shop

[fluid fable]

Not the point

[primal merlin]

foragers gives you infinite secondaries and production prodigy effect for making the pots

[supple minnow]

i transmute compost to use on my plots.

[primal merlin]

vs farming inf secondaries and not getitng the effect

[misty sigil]

I think with this league there is no right choice for relic combos, people can choose what they want and the grinds they want to do

[primal merlin]

and yea ultracompost would've been the most useful part of transmute for me

[glossy reef]

@fluid fable watermelon plus nast in a couple of allotments and that pretty much solves your compost issue

[fluid fable]

No it foesnt

[primal merlin]

There's right choices but they are based on what your goals/regions are

[fluid fable]

My issue is sitting there and watching it happrn and knowing that i have to sit there and watch it happen

The fact its easy is irrelevent

Its leagues, the "fun mode" and it makes me wanna die

[supple minnow]

i just transmute compost because i have transmute. i didn't ego-big brain my relics on day1 thinking i was going to be 100% right and try to make others think they're dumb for taking relic routes with their own brains

[glossy reef]

idk I guess taking natures would be good for farming haters

[primal merlin]

huh whos calling anyone dumb

[glossy reef]

you don't need compost then

[fluid fable]

O?

[glossy reef]

I think we are just really theory crafting

[pliant temple]

im assuming the answer is yes but does the rogue outfit stack with larcenist?

[glossy reef]

@fluid fable plants never die plus 10x yield

[fluid fable]

Wait, is accord the 10x never die

Lmfao

Wtf is soul harvest

Thats what i thought that was

[glossy reef]

rc and prayer

[fluid fable]

O

Lmfao

Ok, accord not harvest, my bad

[glossy reef]

like again imo the only right choices in 5 is larcenist and natures

but I can understand hating RC

[fluid fable]

Rc i just like

[primal merlin]

Ye to me natures is completely worthless

[fluid fable]

I just wont, and dont think its a big deal uno

[primal merlin]

and rc has no solve unless you taking soul harvest

if you want 50m rc you're not getting it without it

if you dont care and just want 99

[glossy reef]

uhh I mean if you take desert though you can guardians

[primal merlin]

then you can lamp it

and you're fine

oh ye desert

but ew desert

[fluid fable]

I struggle to believe we're gonna be so strapped for tasks that u neeed to do it ig

Ill just try to not interact with it

[chilly pine]

speaking of desert, can you get a blood talisman without it?

[primal merlin]

I wanted to play around potentially capping my regions this time

[wary egret]

whew just hit t8

[primal merlin]

so thats what im going with

gz

[wary egret]

whats the pick?

[primal merlin]

for most people minion

for some flask

for 1 per group axe could be fun but meh

[glossy reef]

honestly I don't know

it has to be on the drop table of something right?

[primal merlin]

canifis general store

wrath is in ardy general

[glossy reef]

I'm saying without taking mory

[olive topaz]

is there a specific world for pest control?

[chilly pine]

ty, was gonna check canifis stores later

[primal merlin]

why would you want a blood tally without taking mory

[glossy reef]

does anyone know if you can go through the abyss to get to blood altar without taking mory?

[low osprey]

Anyone else need to do a wave of ba for diary?

[primal merlin]

no

you cant

[low osprey]

got 2 people

[cyan needle]

do i get superiors without slayer task?

[primal merlin]

no

[hushed yew]

can i boost to 91 thieving with abundance for pyramid plunder?

[primal merlin]

yes

[pure karma]

should i be skulled when killing rev dragons?

[primal merlin]

35 med clue time lets see if i get my rangers

yes you should always be skulled for revs

[glossy reef]

@primal merlin I guess I just have Kourend

Mory seems like a meh choice too me

as much as I love barrows

[chilly pine]

mory is where all the blindbaggers go

for nox

[supple minnow]

dont have to be bb and take nox XD

[primal merlin]

id rather hmt than cm

so ill hmt

unlugy no rangers

[reef quarry]

Is there a good build for tirranwyn asgarnia areas

[primal merlin]

we'll do more tomorrow

[reef quarry]

In terms of the items you get

[primal merlin]

Sure you can dogger

[supple minnow]

going beanbag hammers with echo maxhit never miss build is bae

dmace to hit stuff very quickly

[reef quarry]

Does anybody have a build guide for dogger at all

[primal merlin]

any other regions/reqs?

[reef quarry]

Not really as such just want something viable 😂

I'm killing echo hunleff at the moment

[chilly pine]

there's a dogger post in this discord https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1493425364742045716

[graceful lynx]

for this melee perk "Whenever you attack an enemy from at least 2 tiles away with any style, you restore 2% special attack energy."

does this proc per damage instance or per performed attack

[reef quarry]

Legend thank you

[supple minnow]

attack is the whole attack, not per hitsplat

[glossy reef]

imagine getting spec energy back with hitting 0's

[supple minnow]

yeah you should?

you're attacking them, not hitting them

[eternal pilot]

ive heard dogger is pretty meh, any truth to that?

[primal merlin]

Whod you hear it from

I'll confirm it myself soon since i've been cooking up dogger builds for the last month

love my latest iteration but i need to test it

[eternal pilot]

a few dif people i know know the game atleast somewhat well

[cyan needle]

does someone know if king's barrage work with water mage path?

[primal merlin]

it does

[eternal pilot]

it does assuming you grab the ancient node on it

[graceful lynx]

has anyone here done the Dclaws > Kings barrage build?

[low osprey]

Anyone else need to do a wave of ba for diary?

[glossy reef]

you know another thing Jagex should do we should be able to reset our league accounts completely

[supple minnow]

this

[cyan needle]

yeah, i have, but i dont have that last node yet

havent healed anybit

[primal merlin]

the last node is the only thing that would heal you

[pastel ice]

Finally beat echo cg!

[primal merlin]

gz

[cyan needle]

aah, okey

[odd idol]

is doom bugged past t8?

[pastel ice]

got 3 comps under my belt now

[glossy reef]

@supple minnow honestly imo leagues should run until the next league, and you should be able to reset, but the time have to score points is still the league duration

[manic prairie]

is there a decanting npc anywherer?

[pastel ice]

sadly, good news comes with bad news, got to echo thermy, and he completely bugs out and doesn't take any thorns hits

sooooo

[supple minnow]

yee

[pastel ice]

gonna take a while to kill him

[primal merlin]

its not a bug

its intentional lol

[pastel ice]

it's intentional for a boss to hit me a zero and not take thorns?

[primal merlin]

yessir hf

[supple minnow]

what jagex should do if they're gonna get PE'd to death is just make a platform that handles servers like roblox does and have customers (non-jagex devs) build and deploy platform instances at a cost.

[pastel ice]

he's immune to melee damage?

[primal merlin]

Btw

is he hitting 0s

[glossy reef]

actually you know, Jagex in general could learn a lot from GGG in regards to profit model and the handling of leagues

[primal merlin]

or is the dmg not hitting anything when blocked

[glossy reef]

GGG being grinding gear the PoE people

[supple minnow]

then it would go from billion dollar company to multibillion/yr company

[rotund hedge]

hi guys! what are some good early weapons to get the eclipse / blue moon

[pastel ice]

even if he hits me and I take damage, there's still no thorns, so yea, its a bug

[glossy reef]

@supple minnow GGG does great for a game that is pretty much free to play

no membership required

[supple minnow]

yeah yeah but see, jagex PR will just say it's too technically complex to pull off or wouldnt be cost effective for the longevity of the game

[pastel ice]

regular thermy takes the thorns just fine

[primal merlin]

Cause regular thermy actually hits you 0s

or dmg

[pastel ice]

so when echo does damage, why does thorns not proc?

[primal merlin]

while if you're correctly blocking thermy attacks then it doesnt even hit 0s

[glossy reef]

I mean @supple minnow they were bought by private equity and I imagine the whole members price increase is to try to buy out PE

[primal merlin]

that idk

[glossy reef]

because PE has no idea how to run a long term model

[pastel ice]

🦀

[low osprey]

Need 1 person for Barbarian Assault to do Medium Kandarin Diary which is a task.

[manic prairie]

one redwood tree is 350k xp :)

[wicked owl]

how am i meant to equip an egg??

[manic prairie]

egg holding tbh

[glossy reef]

like it upsets me that deadman gets a perma server but leagues doesn't 🙁

[primal merlin]

talk to the egg and right click wield..

We don't need leagues perma servers

[wicked owl]

does it have to be some sort of special egg?

[primal merlin]

leagues gets boring after a few weeks anyways

yes

check the wiki

do the quest scrambled

[glossy reef]

which is why you let people reset the accounts @primal merlin

[wicked owl]

oh cheers

[low tangle]

any wintertodt worlds?

[glossy reef]

also we don't need a deadman server either lol

[primal merlin]

mostly agreed

[glossy reef]

perma league server with account resets that runs up to the next league would be great for theory crafting

[sudden temple]

bye league

i quit rn

fk league

[supple minnow]

huh

[primal merlin]

At least we get some fun planning stuff out for the month before

[glossy reef]

bring in a whole new group of people that are just speedrunning leagues

[primal merlin]

thered be like 1 guy

[burnt sentinel]

Anyone know what 1/44 droprate from moons translates too when killing all three bosses?

[primal merlin]

its fun cause its a race between everyone

not because some guys wanna optimize a time

[sudden temple]

160 kc no trident

[glossy reef]

whoa 1 guy speed running leagues?! have you seen the OSRS community?

[sudden temple]

Fk this

4 hours grind

No staff

[burnt sentinel]

Or anyone wanna tell me how moons felt

[glossy reef]

@sudden temple walk away and come back to it

with a fresh head

@primal merlin we have a man that is literally sailing locked ironman

[primal merlin]

we have a few

[glossy reef]

yea I guess 1 perma league server is not that much to ask

imo

[primal merlin]

settled was like the 4th or something that I saw and i couldnt care less about em

[misty sigil]

Bronzeman mode when?

[primal merlin]

Sure but itd ruin the fun of a fresh leagues with everyone

so if thats worth the tradeoff to you fair enough

[glossy reef]

its just like PoE right the leagues there

the fun of the new league is the new content

[primal merlin]

poe is only "leagues"

[glossy reef]

yea exactly

[primal merlin]

And people play poe leagues for the first few weeks

adn come back when a new ones out with new content

[misty sigil]

What if the leagues servers stayed open but reset every new season

[rustic tapir]

now the real question.... executioner axe or minion

[primal merlin]

if poe had a yearly league no one would play that sht either

[primal merlin]

minion next question

[supple minnow]

i used to play the league for the duration of the leagues, just rolling different builds

[primal merlin]

nice

then you're not like most people

[glossy reef]

I mean here is the deal though what you are describing is already happening @primal merlin

[supple minnow]

like, theorycrafting interactions and trees in POB and then rolling them

[glossy reef]

people spike up for league in OSRS

[primal merlin]

uhu yep

[glossy reef]

then I bet pop falls dramatically

[primal merlin]

yes

like 2 weeks into the league

not even when leagues ends

lol

because leagues is fun for the first little bit

then reddit cries wanting it to be longer or perm

then jagex extends it 2 weeks

and not even the people crying on reddit play it for those extra 2 weeks

and the cycle repeats

every year

[glossy reef]

yea but I mean like I said we have 1 deadman server

we could have 1 perma league server

[primal merlin]

They should get rid of that one too

[glossy reef]

I doubt the overhead of running it is enough to even justify removing it

likely cost more to take it down

[primal merlin]

obviously thats not the point. The world can be reused for something else

theres no point though

no one plays on dmm world because they wanna skip maingame content

[odd idol]

does confliction gauntlets work with kings barragfe?

[primal merlin]

most of the reason people want perm leagues is to just not play the main game

[silent garnet]

If jagex isn't running some sort of k8s setup I'd be surprised. Although... the game is old enough that they might not be.

[primal merlin]

no

[odd idol]

also w647 toa

[supple minnow]

lol

[glossy reef]

plenty of worlds just sitting empty imo

[supple minnow]

prolly running jenkins

[glossy reef]

surely they would be running kurb right?

I am 100% sure you could run a jagex world on a single R710

[supple minnow]

the server isn't that hard to run. it's the in/egress you have to worry about at scale

[glossy reef]

even high pop though what one tick is like .6 seconds?

[supple minnow]

that's an implementation detail

[primal merlin]

Do you think I'm saying that the reason they shouldn't have a perma leagues world is server cost? lmao

[craggy grove]

all recoil thorns pacts not work?

[supple minnow]

no

[primal merlin]

not you

wartech

[supple minnow]

uh

[supple minnow]

in what way

[glossy reef]

@primal merlin no not necessarily I just think that like the only argument against it is cost / maintenance

[supple minnow]

reddit speculates their price hike was due to 'costs', and that being the ONLY feasible one, if they didnt resolve server-client game packet handling properly, you know, in the 25 years theyve had to grow as devs to figure this one out, as i doubt they are infra-devs

[primal merlin]

Oh then you didn't read what I said earlier at all and that makes me sad

[craggy grove]

?

[glossy reef]

about it not being fun @primal merlin?

people make their own fun

[pearl hare]

I feel like the point of leagues is that it's temporary

To me at least

I do wish we had leagues more often though

But I enjoy the base game so it's fine

[glossy reef]

@pearl hare which is fine thats cool, you can play on the 100's of servers set aside for the original OSRS experiance, why limit customers choices if the cost isn't the factor?

[misty sigil]

Leagues actually coaxes me back into the main game

[primal merlin]

About it taking away from the game more than adding to it. Even the slowest of the slow playing for a month getting everything and getting bored and never converted to the main game is worthless. No one plays on the perm dmm server as a non rs player. But for leagues people come out of the woodwork and people invite their friends. If a new person has a choice. Play on this basically permanent 16x faster progression server or the main game when they know nothing about it which one do they pick. Then what happens when it gets wiped

[pearl hare]

Idk I don't really care much either way

[primal merlin]

it 100% is

[inner elm]

do you know if i have to be raw slayer levels to get a smoke devil task or can it be boosted.
i have 83 boosted to 93

[primal merlin]

Its an event for the community

if it's always there it's not special at all

[primal merlin]

no

slayer tasks can't be boosted for

[glossy reef]

@primal merlin if a person doesn't want to play on the OSRS normal server then they will not play at all

they just walk away

thats a customer lost

[primal merlin]

I didn't say that

[pearl hare]

I do agree with that personally yeah

[supple minnow]

there's a whooole other non-OSRS osrs community out there that jumps on leagues

[glossy reef]

yep

[pearl hare]

Deadman is right after the league?

[glossy reef]

nah deadman was before

[primal merlin]

No deadman allstars is

deadman allstars is only for creators

[pearl hare]

Oh right

[primal merlin]

and the finale will be in chicago

[glossy reef]

we had deadman mode like a couple months ago

[primal merlin]

yuh

[pearl hare]

I mean, still cool to watch

[primal merlin]

yea i'll be flying in to chicago supporting one of my boys playing and meeting up with some friends

[graceful lynx]

Wait. are ranged echoes like blindbag in the sense that they shoot the weapons you have in your inventory? or do they just shoot a different type of "echo ammunition" that has its own stats? How does it work

[primal merlin]

it'll be a good time

[pearl hare]

Didn't know, my bad, I took a 7 month break before coming back for the league

[primal merlin]

They shoot basically whatever you're shooting with

[glossy reef]

I actually played this DMM

it was fun

[supple minnow]

i'm sure the creative leads over the OSRS whoever they are along the next decade will be able to continue to draw the talents of the devs we have on this and add more fun things at the caliber that they are, being passionate devs and all (not sarcasmm)

[pearl hare]

I actually haven't even tried sailing yet

I should after this league

[graceful lynx]

If you are using melee, and you proc the ranged echo from the melee tree, would it apply the freeze from Kings Barrag?

[pearl hare]

No

I don't get how that would even work

[glossy reef]

I think a lot of the issues with the OSRS community is they are still reeling from RS3 and evo of combat so they think "no don't touch my game"

[supple minnow]

the cbow isnt melee

[glossy reef]

but you have to iterate and add things or you will just eventually die out

[pure karma]

the back to back

[pearl hare]

Idk, I think they've been adding a lot

Look at Varlamore

[surreal kiln]

Yebecause Evo was thé point of destruction of RS to many

[supple minnow]

LOL

[pearl hare]

Imo Varlamore is some of the best content this game ever got

[supple minnow]

they can vibe-code their own OSRS if they want LOL

[primal merlin]

wrong again

[graceful lynx]

Im trying to figure out what this means:
When hitting a target with a two handed melee weapon, you have a 5% chance to trigger a Ranged echo
as if you have a bow, crossbow and thrown weapon equipped.

Ranged echo
: An additional ranged attack which rolls with your melee stats instead of ranged. Echo attacks cannot trigger additional echo attacks.

what is the additional attack rolling? is it just taking the maths from the gear and firing an "echo" shot, not your actual bolt/crossbow effects

[pearl hare]

Also imo Varlamore is the prettiest region by far

[primal merlin]

tbh here since you mentioned poe i'll put it in POE terms for you

[surreal kiln]

True And real

[pure karma]

varlamore/kourend has so much in it its basically a 2nd runescape

[pearl hare]

Also Final Dawn is my fav quest in the entire game

[glossy reef]

I love valamore but think about before valamore the last continent that was added

was Kourend

[pearl hare]

It's obviously not the hardest but I loved the Varlamore story

[primal merlin]

@glossy reef If you were new to poe and you saw you had 2 options. Normal new leagues that's starting. Or one with the same content but 5x more loot and more xp. Which one are you playing.

[supple minnow]

you're holding a melee weapon it echoes the mlee weapon.
your ranged inv gear doesn't play into this

[primal merlin]

the weapon that triggers it

[pearl hare]

Kourend is good now but that shit was not good at launch

[glossy reef]

the one with 5x for the uninformed

[hazy anvil]

Do you understand what a ranged echo is? If not, it's an "echo" of your attack. Think of a random bolt proc that adds an additional hit. Your melee attacks will now generate additional hit splats randomly

[supple minnow]

it's like, PoE's multistrike

[odd idol]

is ther e aplugin

[pearl hare]

A plugin for what

[graceful lynx]

Ahh thanks everyone i just got it. The ranged echo isnt taking gear from your inventory like blindbag, its just calculating an additional "echo" hit based on your melee stats.

[primal merlin]

correct

[surreal kiln]

Kourend isgood but its too large of landscape without many interactions now

[glossy reef]

@primal merlin but here is the deal right, if a player wants something and they don't get it, they walk away you lost them

[supple minnow]

it looks sparse so it is

[primal merlin]

Ye and theres plenty of players who want dry protection and a guaranteed tbow on their first raid

[misty sigil]

Kourend is just RS3 simulator

[primal merlin]

I don't tgive a shit about em

[pearl hare]

This league makes me want to do more wildy content on my main once the league is over

Lime calvarion and callisto

[glossy reef]

@primal merlin I guess what I am saying is that a perma league server doesn't take away from your experiance

[surreal kiln]

I can't remember seeing ppl in arceus

[hazy anvil]

The hate on RS3 IS unwarranted imo but to each their own. It's genuinely a good game now with insane QoL and great combat mechanics.

[surreal kiln]

Or shazien

[primal merlin]

go complain in the POE discord how they don't have 100x drop rate servers

[supple minnow]

i was expecting leagues to be: be OP, but you dont have items, however, your tree is geared to be OP when you have items, so you progress for gear like in normal OSRS until you hit your power spike.

Instead it's: bonk -> op items instantly. yay

[misty sigil]

I still play RS3 i just mean that you never see anyone

[pearl hare]

I don't really get why yall are arguing

[elder crater]

Originally i was gonna branch my cbow build into melle and magic, but with the insane accuracy changes would that still be worth it? Or just double down on damage now the changes are coming?

[proven thunder]

y'all know if getting ghommals is possible without asgarn?

[pearl hare]

You can just disagree

[surreal kiln]

Perma League would get stale

[primal merlin]

This leagues progression is a lot slower tbh

[olive topaz]

what changes to acc? i live under a rock 🙂

[glossy reef]

@pearl hare I'm not mad for people having a different opinion

I hope no one is upset

[supple minnow]

people getting mad when it's just
spacebar dialogue RL questhelper

[hazy anvil]

I've doubled down on damage and somewhat regret it. Versatility on some bosses sucks, but it's a very personal choice.

[primal merlin]

No but it takes away from theirs. Because even if they were to say ok lets give the real game a try. And they were way way weaker and had 16x slower xp rates theres no chance theyd convert.

[elder crater]

To combat this, we are looking to make the following changes to the neutral pacts:

Increase Prayer Penetration pacts from 15% to 25%.
Increase small accuracy pacts from 15% to 25% & big accuracy pacts from 35% to 50%.
Include an additional 10% accuracy to all +1% damage pacts.

[pearl hare]

Never said anyone is upset, I just don't get the point of the argument

[elder crater]

Yeah was thinking the same but accuracy gets a huge buff

[glossy reef]

@primal merlin but that person in general is not gonna play anyway right

[olive topaz]

thanks brother

[supple minnow]

next thing, we log in as bosses, getting raided

[primal merlin]

They might have in the first place. I'm not talking about some random person. I'm talking about someone who has an interest in the game and is coming over to try it out

[glossy reef]

if a person goes to leagues, plays on leagues and has to go to osrs because they are forced I would say in general they just won't play

[glossy niche]

yeah you can claim from the leagues tutor in yama's lair

[primal merlin]

Theres no mithical person who has 0 interest in rs but would play it if leagues was permanent

[supple minnow]

i've done 3 quests in leagues i havent done on my main, fwiw, i'm going to do them when i take a break from leagues

[olive topaz]

Leagues being permanent doesnt make any sense IMHO

[surreal kiln]

Tbh thé accuracy we gain via dmg improve nodes Will enable more builds which Is good

[long trail]

leagues is just osrs with extra steps xD

[long trail]

truthnuke

[supple minnow]

bronze barrage knives build when

[elder crater]

Ngl, a pact system special mode (heavily toned down) would be something i'd resub for

[primal merlin]

Leagues is only fun BECAUSE its a limited time thing that's the whole point

it's not actually fun to be so broken that everything dies with 0 effort

[supple minnow]

😮

i see where you're coming from

[cursive glacier]

half the fun of leagues is seeing everybody grouped up with wacky stuff in the early game and with the different relics and builds every time

[misty sigil]

Fewer i'd say because of drop rates

[supple minnow]

i think if it's going to be permanent, it should be regular xp rates, keep the cool mechanics

[olive topaz]

Look no further than Deadman mode permanent world
or Deadman mode seasonal

[glossy reef]

@supple minnow I'd be cool with that actually

[glossy niche]

this can be fun too, just depends on the person

[primal merlin]

Ok to be fair its fun for like a day. Then you hit the point of wutdapoint

yeye

[supple minnow]

relics have negligible, yet powerful buffs

[glossy reef]

hell keep the relics just 1x xp

and drop rates

[supple minnow]

then bam, you just made WoW

jk

[surreal kiln]

I wouldnt Bother with leagues if they were permanent, but i also understand there Are ppl of thé opposite opinion

[glossy reef]

its just like you are giving options to people

why is it bad to give people more options

[supple minnow]

have you looked outside?

[primal merlin]

oh ye then go play rs3

they do a lot of QOL stuff like leagues has

but with 1x xp

[surreal kiln]

Wat lol

[primal merlin]

worth a shot

[olive topaz]

like the whole 36 people on W345 DMM permanent world rn

[surreal kiln]

Ye right xD

[glossy reef]

@olive topaz yea but like those 36 people playing on W345 are there because they want to be there

[olive topaz]

Im sure couple of em would be bots though haha

[glossy reef]

yea likely lol

[surreal kiln]

Atm typing from phone, while catching sunrays wbu

[glossy reef]

I mean as far as I am concerned 33% of the osrs pop is bots

[supple minnow]

the people, u seen what the variety of minds can be

[glossy reef]

but what I am saying is that Nemo is saying that having a perma league server detracts from the original OSRS servers am I being fair in that @primal merlin?

I don't want to misrepresent your opinion

[surreal kiln]

Oh dw i worked plenty in social sector to see what the world has to offer on the human spectrum

I think you might have the problém with the FOMO ?

[glossy reef]

Like okay consider this thought experiment we remove the perma DM server, do you think those 36 people will go to normal OSRS or just quit playing?

[primal merlin]

To a point yes. But honestly in all actuality it'd be even more dead than the deadman world and in exchange leagues would no longer be special because "They are always going on"

[glossy reef]

the leagues would be special because a new league would be coming out

[primal merlin]

They likely already play the main game. No one just plays perma dmm

there are people that play only seasonal dmm

[supple minnow]

there's probably be a different crowd

[misty sigil]

Can we agree to disagree?

[olive topaz]

nobody quits OSRS just extended breaks, they would probs return after a long break and play solely on pvp worlds

[glossy reef]

yea but I guess what I am saying is what is the harm in giving people more options

why limit peoples fun?

[olive topaz]

resources applied to keeping them intresting?

[tacit oyster]

people wouldnt like permanent league world for long. They want access to all regions and all relics without needing to make new account

[glossy reef]

yea the only argument I think that has any sense is overhead and cost to run it

[tacit oyster]

no way to reset in permanent world

[primal merlin]

This means jack shit btw

no ones limiting anything

you play the game if you wanna

[glossy reef]

@tacit oyster well first of all a leagues reset should be a thing even now

[fluid fable]

I think region locks are really fun

Im glad they do it

[primal merlin]

next you'll be asking for 2x xp rates and drop rates in the main game cause hur hur why limit peoples fun

[fluid fable]

Such a cool gimmick

[primal merlin]

its a catch all statement that means nothing and havign some friction in the game is what makes it fun

[olive topaz]

why should i need to do Runecrafting for 72 hours just to get too bloods 😠 gimme bloods now

[primal merlin]

like exactly

[glossy reef]

thats fun for you though right

[primal merlin]

jfc

[glossy reef]

people make their own fun

[primal merlin]

play the game as is

[misty sigil]

Bring larcenist to the main game

[primal merlin]

if its not fun for you

then don't

[fluid fable]

The one thing that feels like weirdly silly is, why 2 months

[primal merlin]

there's plenty of other games

[fluid fable]

Thats so little time. Give it like 6

[primal merlin]

cause every time we do 6 weeks reddit cries to extend it so they extend it 2 weeks

[glossy reef]

Right but we can understand that Jagex being a business their perogative is to make new and long lasting customers

[cursive glacier]

have you seen player counts from the start to end of leagues?

[glossy reef]

not maintain

[primal merlin]

ye leagues a month in is a ghost town

lol

[fluid fable]

I played way more of leagues then i usually play of main, like. Im kinda burnt

Let me slow down pls

[young osprey]

do logs burned with woodsman's passive count towards tasks for burning logs?

[proper herald]

how do you guys handle construction without buttler?

[misty sigil]

Realistically if i'm jagex i'm starting leagues in april because its the start of a new business year every year for growth and high subs

[supple minnow]

auburn mill

[fluid fable]

Ye, but im not gonna have less fun playing solo then with other people dawdling around

[cursive glacier]

slayer is kinda painful with just K

[young osprey]

oak larders go crazy

[fluid fable]

I barely see them as is

[misty sigil]

A perm server for leagues is just ironman mode with less excitement

[primal merlin]

That's fair and I'm happy that that's the case

I'll finish my goals and go back to the main game especially as more of my friends go back to main game

[proper herald]

i did plants till 70 but its slow i guess

[fluid fable]

Id just like to like plib and plob around rather than have this 2 month rush

[glossy reef]

@primal merlin I guess I just don't understand how having a perm league server stops you from doing that

[primal merlin]

It doesn't stop me at all and it doesn't effect me at all

[glossy reef]

like okay you act as though its zero sum, that if x gets what they want y loses something

it can be both people win

[supple minnow]

i never palyed leagues before

[fluid fable]

Ye, im just not sure who benefits from it being so short

[olive topaz]

how could you make it a win win whilst also being profitable/manageable though?

[supple minnow]

i saw build tree.
I see build tree, I play. it was that simple

[fluid fable]

Even from a dev cycle side. Surely the people who worked on it are a bit frustrated to see it go so soon

[primal merlin]

I get to have less fun in future leagues and likely not bother playing because its not longer an event but a permanent thing. The people that don't play the game anyway have a dead world running

[eternal pilot]

theres no way to like disable regions is there? kinda regret getting more regions now that i see theres like 90k points in clue scrolls lol

[primal merlin]

yea I had such a fun time theorycrafting before it started

[misty sigil]

I imagine it's like game jam on steroids, it allows them to think of the most overpowered stuff

[young osprey]

this decision is permanent and can't be taken back later.

[glossy reef]

wait @primal merlin are you saying I'm advocating for the loss of the temp leagues? because I am not advocating for that

[primal merlin]

2780 points in clues you'll live

[glossy reef]

you keep the temp leagues, and you have 1 perm league server that just moves over and resets when the new temp leagues hit

[primal merlin]

You're advocating for making them permanent lmao

[fluid fable]

For sure, but like. What im saying is that they do there thing roughly once a year right. And thats cool

[olive topaz]

What i would be down for though if they had the resources would be to make leagues more often
(Leagues V was Nov 2024, and im not counting gridmaster)

[glossy reef]

@primal merlin what is wrong with the plan I just mentioned

[fluid fable]

I just dont see why it cant be up for, maybe not perma.i do think thatl lose the excitement side of, new league drop

[young osprey]

gridmaster was explicitly a leagues replacement lmao

[fluid fable]

But a bit longer would be nice

[olive topaz]

wasnt a good replacement 😠

[fluid fable]

Wasnt grid goated?

I thought people loved it

[olive topaz]

it was but was done in like a week

[open garden]

hey does anyone know where i use my crystal shards please?

[young osprey]

yeah, the better way to do gridmaster would be to have obfuscated tasks

[primal merlin]

dead world that's always there. Only used by sweats to theorycraft the next league and people who think the fun of the game is the destination not the journey who then quit because it turns out the journey is the fun part

but I need to sleep hf

[fluid fable]

I didnt play any grid, coz i was too new to the game and everything scared me lol

[glossy reef]

like here I will summarize what I mean, you have a perma leagues server running the last temp league that ran, you have the ability to reset your character to level 1 start at any time on the perm league server

[fluid fable]

This is my first league

[primal merlin]

grid was aight

[glossy reef]

this doesn't affect temp leagues

[primal merlin]

one day rush and logged back out

[supple minnow]

they could make it juicier with a death penalization of points, so you have to do tasks to regain the points, (only certain tasks renew points). lol.

[fluid fable]

Overall having a good time

[glossy reef]

@supple minnow just make it so you can reset

[supple minnow]

im talking to disincentivize loosely taking deaths

you lock yourself out of regions again

[primal merlin]

I know what you're saying but do you agree that always having something running makes it permanent and not temporary right?

[young osprey]

leagues loses literally all its value as a perm mode.

[misty sigil]

scarcity increases value

[glossy reef]

scarcity inflates value

[fluid fable]

Me, yeh. Im pro having at least some downtime. I feel like 50/50 just gives more casual players like myself a little breathing room tho

[young osprey]

if you want leagues 24/7 just go play priv servers

main game isn't for you

[glossy reef]

@young osprey isn't that literally against ToS

also nowhere near the same experiance

[young osprey]

so is pokemon romhacking, that never stopped anyone

[fluid fable]

Im not sure ill even do another league anytime soon tbh. So it feels weird to ask to be catered for. But at the same time, im just really struggling to see any real way its a negative change

[tacit oyster]

people would not want permanent league unless they can get access to everything without needing to reset progress or make new account. Those players would probably just quit after they get everything to oneshot bosses for 1 week

[glossy reef]

like the only argument I am hearing is like the gatekeeping argument

where people are like "mah game!"

[primal merlin]

whoa gatekeeping

[supple minnow]

how do we get into the darkmeyer place if there's no freaking doors. i have to evil eye in

[young osprey]

please only use words you know the meaning of, it makes your arguments much more effective

[primal merlin]

Ye and the people advocating for it that don't actually play the main game can't grasp that fact lol

[next dust]

how do we get zamorak wine?

he doesnt sell this for me

[young osprey]

you have to talk to one of the people in the vineyard before he starts selling it

oh yeah it's bologa it's in the name

[glossy reef]

again though a perm league server is not mutually exclusive to all of your experiances

[glossy reef]

you can still play the game exactly how you play it today

[primal merlin]

Ok real talk do you actually play the main game

[glossy reef]

yes @primal merlin

[primal merlin]

And how deep into the game are you

[next dust]

and how do i pick grapes from the vinery lol

[young osprey]

grow grape seeds

[primal merlin]

btw I'm not trying to do a gocha moment or anything I'm genuinly curious

[glossy reef]

@primal merlin likely moderately deep I am almost done with every quest

[next dust]

i hope thats fast

[glossy reef]

got like maybe 20 left on my main

[covert wolf]

finally done

[covert wolf]

2nd floor of that place

[olive topaz]

have not scratched the surface at all

[primal merlin]

Ok so by my definition I would consider you not even close to out of early game.

[covert wolf]

wear zamorak and also 75k gold

[fluid fable]

I just want long enough to finish what i plan on doing, also i do play the main game.

Im not sure if ur specifically talking at me with that, but still

[glossy reef]

@olive topaz I mean I don't see what this has to do with my opinion on leagues though

[young osprey]

yeah completing all quests is the end of the tutorial

same as low rank monster hunter

[glossy reef]

again its just gatekeeping

[manic prairie]

is hespori bow good for late game pvm?

[young osprey]

you keep using that word, I do not think you know what it means

[primal merlin]

Nono you're perfectly fine I support people playing however they want to

[glossy reef]

@young osprey what does that mean to you?

gatekeeping to me is literally going "oh you haven't played enough of the game so your opinion is worthless"

thats literally gatekeeping

[covert wolf]

honestly don't know how about late game but early game kinda giving me the hard time

[glossy reef]

like the idea that you even have to mention how much I have played to determine if my opinion is valid or not

[tacit oyster]

its just a msb with couple extra max hits if you have dragon arrows. does give decent sustain though

[fluid fable]

Oh nice

[primal merlin]

Not at all. I asked because I was curious and had an assumption and wanted to know how close I was heh

[glossy reef]

I mean the only reason my opinion wouldn't be valid is if I just didn't play the game

[young osprey]

'gatekeeping' refers to members of a community preventing people from joining a specific clique because of some quality. discarding someone's opinion because they fundamentally misunderstand something is not gatekeeping. the whole "how much do you play main game" thing is people looking for reasoning behind your arguments.

[glossy reef]

I've been playing the game off and on since 2006

[fluid fable]

Thats exactly the item i was hoping would exist. Is it a main game item?

Coz with bowfa not echoing i was wondering what could be used a decent bit as a dragon arrow bow. Since tbows not very good for most mobs

[olive topaz]

and close to quest cape well done

[young osprey]

nah its echo item

[fluid fable]

Rio

Honestly could it be a main item?

[covert wolf]

nature accord is fun

[glossy reef]

@olive topaz my current main is actually only since 2014

[fluid fable]

Would that hurt much

[covert wolf]

1 grave vine harvest

[glossy reef]

my real main is gone

[covert wolf]

also that's zamorak grape

[young osprey]

scobow vs demons, tbow vs things with high magic, other ranged options against everything else

[fluid fable]

Feels like it fills a, admittadly not very "needing to be filled" hole

[young osprey]

although idk where the 'tbow is bad' thing came from, tbow is disgustingly good

[covert wolf]

i'm never planting grape again

[fluid fable]

Its got like msb stats with lower tick rate

[young osprey]

tbow outdamages scobow at most demons you range (mostly doom)

[fluid fable]

Its nuts on tbe mobs its good on

[glossy reef]

@young osprey the reason I say this is because having a perm league server does not detract from you experiencing the game exactly how you do today

so if you don't like it don't do it

[tacit oyster]

natures recurve is same speed as msb, +4 ranged str and can fire dragon arrows instead of amethyst

[pliant temple]

man getting 20 blood shards at once is pretty cool lol

[fluid fable]

Is that one main game?

[primal merlin]

And +26 acc

[young osprey]

actually, it does, today I'm playing temp leagues and perm leagues would detract from that

[glossy reef]

how so?

[primal merlin]

And heals/restores pray

[olive topaz]

Leagues wouldnt feel special anymore
it would be as if everyday was christmas

[glossy reef]

I'm not saying remove temp leagues

[young osprey]

you familiar with TFT? (teamfight tactics)

[glossy reef]

yes @young osprey

[fluid fable]

I still say 6 months is a nicer middle ground then 2 and perma

[young osprey]

I'm sure there's a video out there where mortdog explains why tft needs a set rotation

it's the exact same reason as that as to why leagues are temp modes

[fluid fable]

2s just a bit annoying and perma really does detract from its uniqueness imo

[glossy reef]

@young osprey wanna know the biggest complaint I hear about TFT? The sets rotate and meta shifts too much

[young osprey]

the biggest complaint I hear is that mort (as a caricature for the balance team) has no idea wtf he's doing, so we must be listening to different audiences

[olive topaz]

not sure who is saying that
Im always there screaming for a new set

[glossy reef]

I mean I understand that you have to shift the meta to keep things interesting

[misty sigil]

Can we get dry protection on random events lol

I've just got my 8th camo

[young osprey]

look at it this way: why does TFT not have a sandbox mode?

[glossy reef]

but the thing I would be advocating for here is if like TFT had a set that changes all the time, and a set that doesn't change

[tacit oyster]

people complain that tft is becoming more confusing and they keep balancing units so every other week something else is broken and beats everything else

[young osprey]

which set do you pick to never change

[olive topaz]

you mean set revivals they release?

[placid flower]

Gonna miss thorns so much when the league is over lol

[glossy reef]

TFT 100% doesn't have a sandbox mode because riot doesn't want do make it / cost to maintain it / time to make it

[young osprey]

it's door number 1. do you know why they don't want to make it?

it's very much within their power cost and time commitment wise

[fluid fable]

I mean main game kinda is the set mode if you think about it

[glossy reef]

Keska I understand why the original mode changes

[fluid fable]

And then leagues comes and shifts the meta a little then goes away

[glossy reef]

I'm saying why does having a sandbox mode, defeat the purpose of the mode that changes?

it doesn't

if you don't want to sandbox, don't

if you want to spin up a game amongst friends of TFT on whatever set why is that bad?

[young osprey]

because the set would be solved within a week if people were able to freely test stuff.

[glossy reef]

don't include new sets into the sandbox mode?

thats very simple

[short cave]

can i get a clue geode by mining gemstone rocks?

[young osprey]

oh this bit is easy, do you know how much space storing every single set of TFT would take?

[glossy reef]

also @young osprey the meta in TFT is determined already in the first 2 days of the set

[short cave]

specifically for the task

[tacit oyster]

keeping thousands of versions of game is pretty bad

[young osprey]

you must have played for set 13 (I think that's the one with street demons) and none of the others then lmao

[glossy reef]

I've played a couple of sets

go look at whatever .gg site

they have the most played comps

win rates

etc

[full lodge]

Yes

[olive topaz]

metas get balanced and changed all throughout the set though

[young osprey]

they don't lol

riot removed that

because it was detrimental to game health

[glossy reef]

riot removed what third party trackers?

I can pull up meta comps for set 17 right now

[young osprey]

specifically tapping into the API for augment stats

which also invalidates comp trackers because an A tier comp with 3 combat augs will beat an S tier comp with 0 combat augs every day of the week

[glossy reef]

sure but its not like this info is some highly guarded secret

[young osprey]

it actually kinda is

that's what removing access from the API did

[glossy reef]

while you are playing you can literally look at peoples comps

you can see their augs

[young osprey]

sure

[rotund walrus]

Is wintertodt still not awarding boosted points? I've tried to report it in a couple places but it doesn't seem to be aknowledged anywhere

[fluid fable]

And make decisions in that moment, sounds like the point is its very hard to have a specific "meta" when theres so much variance

[glossy reef]

I just fail to see how this analogy applies to osrs leagues

[fluid fable]

Me too

But im pretty sure u brought i up

[glossy reef]

nah Keskas did

[young osprey]

we've gotten off topic

[fluid fable]

Ah true

[fluid fable]

Real

[young osprey]

actually no we haven't

let me bring it back around

leagues isnt permanent for the same reason tft doesn't have a sandbox mode: it would make people stop playing the game

[fluid fable]

Hmm

[glossy reef]

PoE has a league running from the start of one to the other back to back

plenty of people still theory craft

all the time

[young osprey]

don't know enough about PoE to comment here

[glossy reef]

most people play the first like 5 weeks of the league in poe and quit sure

[olive topaz]

have they release date for PoE 2 new season?

[glossy reef]

@olive topaz I think soon actually

[fluid fable]

Doesnt poe league just be. Base game but also now some old dude sends you to the mines to kill some dude

I havent played since the masters league

[olive topaz]

But PoE 2 is a never ending game where you continue to progress deeper and deeper into maps
vs osrs which isnt

[glossy reef]

@fluid fable PoE leagues add new mechanics that evolve the game over time

some league mechanics get put into the base, some don't

some leagues suck

[covert wolf]

oh boy wildy is so good

and also soul harvest

[fluid fable]

Yeye, i remmeber ish

Some are big, some not so much

[vivid helm]

it's a bug ye

you get 16x 1 tier earlier

[glossy reef]

oh bro I hit T16's by the end of week 1 of leagues

[covert wolf]

lol never mind

[vivid helm]

nah

[potent quail]

so t6 already gives x16?

[fluid fable]

I never liked that whole 25 acts change

[vivid helm]

yes

you get 12x on t4 or something

[tacit oyster]

yes xp multipliers are 1 tier earlier than shows, they will update it tomorrow to show correct ingame

[fluid fable]

That was the point where i couldnt just come back to the game nostalgically and play the game im familiar with any more 🙁

Sad times

[potent quail]

well that doesnt mean you get x16 on t6 instead of t7

[tacit oyster]

yeah t6 is 16x

[vivid helm]

i'm on t6

[covert wolf]

yep.. this is scary

[vivid helm]

so yes, it indeed does mean that

[covert wolf]

time for blood rune

[glossy reef]

actually speaking of this league the task in frem to kill 8 penguins in 5 seconds I am 100% sure is bugged

[young osprey]

make a bug report then

[potent quail]

ok thats amazing lol

[vivid helm]

i think you're supposed to spy on penguins, or have we advanced the countermeasures to more brutal versions?

[glossy reef]

@young osprey you know I was trying to today and I couldn't for the life of me remember how I do that

[young osprey]

idk either ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tacit oyster]

e

[glossy reef]

@vivid helm you got to go to the penguin island next to Misc and kill them all in 5 seconds

I killed them all in like 1 second

no completion

[tacit oyster]

right click report button under chat to do game bug report

[glossy reef]

awhh right thank you @tacit oyster

[vivid helm]

i believe you, it was a joke on the spying missions/quests in main game

[next dust]

6/6/2026 echo brutus?

[misty sigil]

Echo brutus is why mistalin is burning

[fluid fable]

It could be true

[next dust]

yama is actually trying to protect us

[covert wolf]

basically do nothing at all and let the butler cook

lmao he did more than half of what i gain on my own

[young osprey]

I do wonder if we'll get access to Misthalin after like a month but it's infested with demons

that would be a cool way to pull people back into the league

[cyan needle]

are larrans keys bugged, havent got any in wilderness slayer

[fluid fable]

Ooh

That could be fun

[potent quail]

bro the black dragon in T is hella out of the wayXD

[outer hazel]

no

[fluid fable]

And we go to war and the end content is managing to save the leagues guy

League sage

[granite timber]

butler saved me om filling the bow spool ✨

[fluid fable]

It could even be a raid

[young osprey]

they wouldn't do a raid for leagues

[covert wolf]

yeah the 10k bowstring its actually amazing

[fluid fable]

Its a lot ye

But still, fun to think of

[young osprey]

TFA has already been in the works for a couple of years and it's not until the end of the year iirc

[chilly pine]

is tecu salamander good for blindbag since it has +91 melee strength bonus?

[glossy reef]

I'm pretty upset by this because its a pact task :/

[granite timber]

blindbag with 4 dharok axes 🔥

[covert wolf]

back to telling him to make me more bowstring because i need crafting exp

[supple minnow]

im going to be trying it

[covert wolf]

gonna manually do smithing now

[glossy reef]

and I don't know if I am just stupid or if it just doesn't work

[fluid fable]

Just makes the raid like 12 yamas walking aroind and yall gotta fight them all

Lmao

[young osprey]

however that does mean that misthalin will become a raid region which is an interesting prospect for the next leagues

[vivid helm]

#StopPenguinBrutality?

[chilly pine]

i sorted this list by melee strength
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Two-handed_slot_table

[glossy reef]

#increasepenguinbrutality

[supple minnow]

the benefit is the echos on ammo use

[covert wolf]

first pet of the league

[glossy reef]

idk wake me up when the OSRS leagues pacts tree looks like PoE's

[covert wolf]

because of this

[glossy reef]

also Jagex for the love of god understand how travel nodes work

[young osprey]

there's just not enough depth to osrs combat for that

[fluid fable]

I wouldnt mind there being a decent amount more pacts and more access to pact points

[covert wolf]

nature accord + soul harvest is a strong combination

[glossy reef]

Keska yea I'm being sarcastic lol that would actually be awful

[vivid helm]

i think a good build on grotesque guardians is a good smithing solve

[fluid fable]

Even if that meant less impactful nodes per point

[glossy reef]

best smithing solve is butler

[vivid helm]

idk, they drop a ton of bars tbh

[supple minnow]

@chilly pine https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1DQBrAgAggswAAYAHKCwAAAA&name=start

[vivid helm]

up to rune

[young osprey]

yeah well it would require some sort of evolution of combat

[tacit oyster]

larcanist + tirannwn is best smithing solve

[glossy reef]

oh no....

[supple minnow]

evolve the cb? what if my inv has an evolution stone?

[fluid fable]

Leaf stoned my purging staff

[tacit oyster]

you just make 600 enhanced crystal teleport seeds for 50m smithing/crafting xp

[covert wolf]

what do you guys smith again for faster exp?
knives?

[glossy reef]

@vivid helm I got 215 runite bars just chilling in my bank from like a hour long butler run

[covert wolf]

i somehow have 1k adamant bar in the bank

[fluid fable]

More bar more xp

[vivid helm]

so same as grotesque guardians?

[supple minnow]

uhh well desert has the foundy, and kourend has the shayzian

[potent quail]

ok

[glossy reef]

@vivid helm except you have to smith all of them I get the exp passively on smithing

[fluid fable]

Addy platebody

[vivid helm]

you basically chill there with occasional bell click

[covert wolf]

shayzien armor better exp?

[pliant temple]

tbf i think the best smithing solve is tir+larcenist but thats a region and a relic

[vivid helm]

true i guess

[glossy reef]

upon collection of the bars I get big smithing xp drops

[supple minnow]

idk. seems like it'd be great or whatever the top tier thing is in osrs outside of BF

[tacit oyster]

60m thieving xp, got over half of the teleport seeds/crystal shards i need for 50m smithing and crafting

[celest lava]

whats the best T5 relic with transmute

[supple minnow]

abundance

lol

jk idk

[vivid helm]

i mean grotesque is still good for people without butler

[karmic fjord]

Can Echo gargoyles drop guardians?

or only the normal boss

[vivid helm]

butler is kinda nice with the bonus xp it gives

[young osprey]

depends on literally every other choice lmao

[glossy reef]

@vivid helm you get the echo unique weapon yet?

[covert wolf]

tested out every type of ammo smithing it's all the same

[fluid fable]

Buttler

[fluid fable]

Have u actually thrown a knife?

[austere mango]

Did leagues go down wont let me open the game at all

[glossy reef]

works for me

[young osprey]

afaik echo bosses only drop the echo item

[celest lava]

evil eye woodsman endless

[fluid fable]

Aw wait, actually

[karmic fjord]

afaik?

[fluid fable]

Do u have perdu in ur regions?

Or whatever. The reclaim place

[young osprey]

as far as I know

[covert wolf]

not really

do it for the smithing exp
throw everything away

[shy garnet]

Where do we report leagues bugs? Am I not seeing the channel?

[fluid fable]

Accumulater+50% regen u

O true

[young osprey]

in client

[fluid fable]

Why knives then, just make bodies

[long quail]

Does anyone know if the eternal crystal drops as boots from cerberus like previous leagues?

[covert wolf]

this is my build i dont need knives

[young osprey]

yeah, eternals drop as the finished product

other stones don't

[fluid fable]

Is vambrace better than combat bracelet?

[glossy reef]

@covert wolf drop those boots for mixed hide boots

[fluid fable]

Oops

[covert wolf]

not until i max agility

[vivid helm]

nah i ain't aimingt for them yet

[fluid fable]

I dropped my vambrace after i put it on

[long quail]

Sweet thank you

[covert wolf]

slightly a bit more range than bracelet

[fluid fable]

True

Ill have to remake it