leagues-general

[hexed sonnet]

Oh lmao I'm dumb

[smoky raft]

we're all a little dumb here

[zinc olive]

real and true

[hexed sonnet]

Went to bed after it was the 14th and thought today was gonna be the 15th

I need to go see the sun 😮‍💨

[smoky raft]

for example, today I somehow managed to accidentally unplug my monitor with a my foot

[hexed sonnet]

I do that everytime I move in my chair

Monkey toes

[toxic vortex]

lame, no other reveals today

[smoky raft]

there's not much left to reveal lmao

we may see the full task list like. 30 min before launch

[small flower]

the reveal is "you probably wanna get some sleep, also we hate californians"

[queen trail]

This should be fixed with the human 1.7 firmware update

[abstract pecan]

https://i.gyazo.com/e0cd76c97e26572850c4967018d11995.png

godbless the 8 tick alchemical hydra kill

[queen trail]

Most youtubers seem to say barb is the worst tier 1, but i still want to pick it

[dull imp]

what build is that? praiyermage?

[abstract pecan]

melee spec

[dull imp]

its not the worst, its just competing with 2 really strong options

[abstract pecan]

dps of the claws spec

[dull imp]

hulk smashing stuff might be fun

[dull imp]

ah

the requires zeah spec

😢

[small flower]

abundance feels like the more niche choice to me, BG is fairly solid

[dull imp]

abundance is for the racers

[queen trail]

I go barbarian woodsman, punching trees untill they catch fire

[dull imp]

EH is for the completionists

barb is for fun

barb reload into eh is for omega fun

[smoky raft]

abundance is bis for 1 week dragon

EH and barb are both good for xp

[small flower]

can just use the tecpatls, idk why the calc still doesn't have their spec put in yet tho

i'm basically doing that but with tecpatl

[queen trail]

Is reloading bard into EH a bad choice, it sounds fun but ill probaly struggle with some other skill then

[small flower]

granted it's a heavy weapon, so bb instead of the speed bonus

[dull imp]

most likely a bad choice

reload into soul harvest is the meta pick

[small flower]

you'd have all the rune ore you could ever want

but practically i dont know that it'd be all that great

[queen trail]

And i could transmute it into dragon ore

[small flower]

maybe if you were doing EH-Hotfoot, reload into BG?

bit odd, but seems fine

[dull imp]

if wildy dont need theiving since rogues chests

so can soul harvest and it would work

[stone basin]

I think overall Barb feels weaker especially with flow state + EH . You’d be better off picking EH into flow state than doing Barb into EH

[dull imp]

any plan that doesnt include soul harvest gunna be rough for 99 rc

[dull imp]

flow state is actually worse xp than eh into barb

[stone basin]

OSRS doesn’t have dragon ore

[small flower]

i think i'd prefer EH+BG over EH+Flow, 2t endless is fine, but endless 3t with 50%+ success chance seems far better

[stone basin]

It is, but flow gives more than what Barb does is what I’m saying

[dull imp]

not really?

[small flower]

would depend on t2 relic i suppose

and if you actually needed any of the other stuff flow gives

[dull imp]

what does flow state actually solve? its bait

[small flower]

it's a good relic if you happen to need the skills it speeds up, at the time you're picking it

[queen trail]

Nothing, just faster exp in all those skills

[stone basin]

It won’t be as good xp in the 3 specific skills Barb is made for, but Flowstage also buffs other skills, so overall if he was hard set on Barb Into eh. I guess it would be better bang for your buck EH into flowstate

[dull imp]

maybe if you didnt go eh or barb

[stone basin]

Though I wouldn’t recommend flowstate

[small flower]

yea, honestly it feels more like a rush thing, for someone with a very specific plan for getting to T7 while not doing those skills, so you could do those skills much faster to push higher

[dull imp]

flowstate is bait, reload into one of the many xp multis over flowstate

like reload into nature or foragers is better than flowstate

or hotfoot

[stone basin]

Yeah I’m not picking it

[dull imp]

or literally any other option. flowstate is in the wrong tier

they shoulda made flowstate like a passive perk

[queen trail]

Is doing royal titans for pages a good runecraft method? Limpwurt did it on his onechunk, and well have 16x xp and 20 times faster kills

[small flower]

he's also a psycho with limited options and self-set deadlines

[stone basin]

There’s probably better ways on league

[small flower]

sulphur naguas are probably better

[dull imp]

what rc level are you trying to get to? I can calc how many pages you would need

[queen trail]

Well 50m xp 🙂

[dull imp]

oh then fuck no

[queen trail]

Lol

[dull imp]

50m is soul harvest

[small flower]

yea i think sulphur naguas are the better option there

[toxic vortex]

^

[dull imp]

just for fun im gunna calc pages though

[queen trail]

I have 2 months, not rushing

[stone basin]

You’ll be doing royal titans when everyone’s already finished leagues if you want 50m 🥲

[queen trail]

I havent really interacted with varlamore so any methods there are beyond me

[small flower]

1/32 base drop rate for 6-10 of an item that gives the same xp the pages do

on a mob that you'll probably 1shot

[stone basin]

There’s some good videos going over all available content in varlamore. It’s worth a watch

[toxic vortex]

@nocturne bluff mory works for pickpocketing vyres for bloodshards, Kandarin works for pickpocketing medium, hard, and elite clues because you DO get 10x clues

[small flower]

with some builds

[dull imp]

62k pages

[copper gorge]

Flow state is awesome. However by t7 you likely are doing bossing content or clue content for drops..youve probably hit a decent amount of 99s

[dull imp]

i was gunna take out the level 50 rc xp, but it was only 100k of the 50m

[stone basin]

Might have it by the end of the year 💯

[copper gorge]

Should have been an earlier tier for sure not t7

[toxic vortex]

yeah my issue with flow state is the t7 part

its a cool relic

[dull imp]

it shouldnt conflict with reloaded

cuz what flowstate is, is flowstate vs - 12 other options

[queen trail]

Limpwurt farmed 7000 in a few months with terrible gear. Sounds plausible to do

[dull imp]

not flowstate vs a real tier

[dull imp]

you do you

thats a lot of staff pieces

[copper gorge]

Thats essentially it.

[queen trail]

Its just without banknote or recall its a struggle for me

[toxic vortex]

i personally would not want to do a mid tier boss for THAT long

[copper gorge]

Well t6 sustinence

[stone basin]

Use a demonic pacts route planner on Google. It’ll tell you how good you relics choices are and how well your choices solve all the skills

[copper gorge]

Sit there with food for days

But t7 reload you have to reload to a solvable skill.

[dull imp]

remove abundance and put flowstate in its place and now its kinda competitive for some regions

[copper gorge]

Flowstate does speed a multitude of skills up tho.

[austere depot]

Gluttony

[dull imp]

but abundance way more fun of an idea

[copper gorge]

I can somewhat see their idea

[dull imp]

they shoulda made it 1t

[copper gorge]

Yes i want to feast

[dull imp]

cuz you can just active play 1.5t a bunch of skills and boom you have flowstate sans relic

[copper gorge]

1t would make everyone think

[queen trail]

Barbarian flowstate is probaly fun to see for a while.

[copper gorge]

Not everyone wants to sweat like that

[toxic vortex]

idk, might be too strong for t1

[stone basin]

Do it 💯

[copper gorge]

Punch rock punch rock punch rock

[toxic vortex]

maybe t3?

[copper gorge]

1 tick

Not tier 1

[dull imp]

no, but thats its closest comparison in power.

1 tick would be t6 probably

[copper gorge]

Would put it in line with some of the t5s

[toxic vortex]

I think if you plucked flow state from t7 and put it t3 or t4, itd be more competitive

[stone basin]

If Reloaded was against a relic that gave maybe +20 demonic pact points - what would you guys pick?

[copper gorge]

Soul harvest

[queen trail]

Cant wait to see the pure thornsbuilds on youtube, seems fun

[copper gorge]

This tree? Reloaded

[dull imp]

t5 has the only rc solve

so has the same issue

[copper gorge]

Desert for gotr im straight

[toxic vortex]

gross

[dull imp]

t6 has kinda kekw options that arent that strong so flowstate could be good there

[smoky raft]

desert for lava runes (I'm not straight)

[stone basin]

I guess map with transmute for essence as a budget slow training method maybe with like true blood altar. But I’ll probably pick soul harvest with reloaded

[toxic vortex]

flow state instead of the food thing

[dull imp]

sounds miserable tbh

[stone basin]

Food ones only good if you’re new to pvming

[dull imp]

i wanna spam left click an alter and dip

[queen trail]

Any suprising things that count as food for eternal sustenance?

[stone basin]

Xd

[toxic vortex]

exactly why I'm reloading to soul

[dull imp]

food one with potions would be a good t8 option for new pvmers

[stone basin]

Jangerberries

[dull imp]

but no potions and all the healing in the tree makes it kinda meh

[queen trail]

Sounds like food yeah

[stone basin]

I believe it gives 1 prayer point? And -1 defence? But have to fact check

[toxic vortex]

time to grab lunch

[copper gorge]

Ehhhh wouldnt say new but maybe new to specific bosses?

[odd radish]

You're not alone, I was actually gonna give leagues a go for the first time this year and focus on something scurrius related for fun but nevermind </3 I don't get why they'd take misthalin away

[copper gorge]

Im taking it for inferno

[toxic vortex]

shake things up

[stone basin]

With how much sustain you can get with the builds. I don’t think you need much food

Bluetooth hally with blood fury is free inferno

[copper gorge]

You have to remember how many points are locked behind alot of tougher shit tho

Everyone projecting out these 40 point builds, not realising they have to do colo, jad tasks, inferno, etc to get those other points.

[pulsar nest]

thats a non issue for anyone who can do or is reasonably close to doing those maingame anyways

[tawny frost]

someone wanna cook with me a bit? Wanna go thorns / tank on my alt: currently I have this in mind
Regions: Wildneress - Mory - Kandarin
Earth Mage with full defence and the Mory staff
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-11-133-139-140-141-145-146-167-44-48-55-56-57-58-59-6-60-61-62-63-64-69-7-70-71-8-81-82-84-85-86-9-92-94-95-96-99

Relics are Minion and the infinite food chomper
I also took wildy over zeah cuz my main is on zeah and I dont want zeah twice. Also like the mory staff + ely more than just bulwark and fremnik helm (duck fremmy)

[plain glacier]

My builds focus on around 26-31 points

[dull imp]

smart

i think 36 is easily doable for KTM

[latent magnet]

Ouch

[copper gorge]

Youre correct. Im not him.

[dull imp]

midgezz is on mobile as welll

needs a mobile flair

spam tapping karamsharks on mobile gunna solve a lot

with like thorns lol

[copper gorge]

Yeah dont forget that. Im doing literally everything on my phone.

[dull imp]

a lot of your takes i go "hes trolling" then i remember mobile and go nvm

😄

[copper gorge]

Dt2 was um not ideal

[dull imp]

i tried this shit on my steam deck and could barely do mooons

and thats with like a semi decent trackpad

[copper gorge]

Moons is cake bro

Im doing moons at 70 cbts with mismatch barrows on my iron

[dull imp]

yea i dont do mobile/steamdeck gaming much so its all awkward for switches

[clear stone]

is there no 3th relic for tier 7

[copper gorge]

Currect

[dull imp]

got them old man hands when it comes to mobile

[dull imp]

tier 7 has 12 relics whatcha talkin about?

[wary egret]

Anyone know about when first region unlock after karamja is? Like t4ish?

[copper gorge]

Yeh yeh full disclaimer, take what i say with a grain of salt sometimes. Im entirely mobile.

[dull imp]

based on tasks, not points

[copper gorge]

Tasks should honestly be before t3 if you do it right

[wary egret]

I know, theres variance, but in general

[dull imp]

id assume since 600 is t2, 2k is t3 4k is t4, but task counts would be 80/200/400

but thats pure spitball off the top

[copper gorge]

Oh did they give us the tier rates?

Or are those from echoes

[dull imp]

just t2

so karam is 80tasks and 600 points is t2

[copper gorge]

Thats 60 10 point tasks. And last leagues 90 tasks was first unlock

[dull imp]

mapping it roughly to leagues 5 gives the rough above breakpoints

[copper gorge]

Yeah and area unlocks was 90/200/400

Tasks*

[dull imp]

oh i see their pattern, sec let me recalc

[toxic vortex]

Husky confirmed that it is 80 for karamja

[copper gorge]

80 tasks?

[toxic vortex]

Yes

[copper gorge]

Hmmmm thats kinda crazy

[copper gorge]

That seems wildly late.

For a free unlock

[latent magnet]

Lots of quick tasks around the first area

[toxic vortex]

They want people to focus on varlamore

[copper gorge]

That means the first real unlock is going to be like 150.

[latent magnet]

You're gonna see a lot of meme tasks

Pet the capy

[copper gorge]

Yeah i know i saw the list lol

[toxic vortex]

I mean there are a lot of meme tasks

There's a task for turning off run

[latent magnet]

Good for dopamine

[latent magnet]

ROFL

[copper gorge]

But still.

[toxic vortex]

Pet one of the birds

[tacit oyster]

chore tasks of just running around and emoting or clicking stuff is close to 50 tasks

[toxic vortex]

Pet the dog

[latent magnet]

I see the concern

I'm hoping it's not like. Leagues 3

[eager vale]

Ikr!!! It's a big part of the appeal for us returning players

[latent magnet]

Gave up like 2 hours into chopping shit in the gnome stronghold

Very weak leagues

[dull imp]

t1 0 t2 80/600 t3 180/1200 t4 350/2200 t5 600/4500 t6 7500 t7 15k t8 25k

[latent magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-terminator-robot-looking-flex-cool-robot-gif-16625083

[copper gorge]

600 tasks? Jesus

[dull imp]

thats my rough guess based off last leagues pattern, difference is this league we "unlock" karam through tasks

[copper gorge]

Guess im never hitting the desert

[dull imp]

yeah i think theyre slowing down the last region unlock

but speeding up the relic unlocks

since karamja is an "unlock"

but cumulative tasks not 80+180+350 +600

and varlamore is also massive af for tasks compared to misthalin

[tacit oyster]

i got 100 tasks prepared just from varlamore easy&medium + global tasks easy/medium/hard in varlamore at start

[wary egret]

How does warped staff compare to thams?

[dull imp]

im at 84 for t2 unlock, and 304 for how many ill sit in varlamore and do

with another 100 available in varlamore if slayer isnt ass to do

[visual stone]

Do we know when we get our first pact respec point? Does the Varlamore echo Amox boss give us one, or will you have to wait until your first region unlock?

[toxic vortex]

Gotta go to zanaris for your tasks

[empty plover]

Does anyone know where I can check for demonic pacts related answers?

[toxic vortex]

Until you get karamja at least

[toxic vortex]

We might know

Ask away

[smoky raft]

echo amox will give one

[visual stone]

Perfect thank you

[empty plover]

Does Kings barrage trigger the alternating +25% buff?

[smoky raft]

you get a reset for your first 3 unique echo boss kills. You'll unlock 4 unique echo bosses in total

[toxic vortex]

Specifically what +25% buff

[dull imp]

no

weapon swap required

[empty plover]

Okay

[grave pollen]

Shit need to go count tasks on my list

[verbal gyro]

Possible to fish minnows without moving with EH, you think?

[thin helm]

Endless harvest not even endless smh

[tacit oyster]

character should run after the spot when it moves, but the jumping fish might steal some of your minnows

[ashen arrow]

is KTA good enough to play water/air mage early then swapping to blindbag later? I wanted to play hally build still without nox hally but using crystal halb

[tacit oyster]

crystal halberd works okay, just like -8 max hits (before multipliers)

[pulsar nest]

best blindbag weps are in mory so might be unfort missing that

dh/scythe/nox

[ashen arrow]

youll still have 2 scythes and godswords with asgarnia

anmd my buddy doesnt need mory and we wanna boss together so asgarnia is fine for me

the DPS isnt tooo much diff with crystal > nox from calcs, the dps already shit comparetively anyway

just wanted to make sure crystal hally works

[tacit oyster]

majority of the damage is from the 7 tile range and blindbag anyway

[copper gorge]

Dont forget barrel chest anchor

[wary egret]

Is anyone going for warped staff early?

[toxic vortex]

probabl

y

[verbal gyro]

yes, asap really

[frail condor]

Is drygore blowpipe counted as a thrown weapon?

[molten gust]

All blowpipes count as thrown

[rich rune]

Anyone have any idea if prayer pennetration works on players?

[thin helm]

Only chaos in his mind

[copper gorge]

Doubt pacts work on players

[verbal gyro]

Pick wilderness and try it out

[toxic vortex]

I'd guess that it will have a cap in pvp scenarios

like I really doubt you can get 100% prayer pen for pvp

[empty pagoda]

How many people even PVP during a League anyways?

[wary egret]

I’m deciding between wildy first for tham or kandarin first for warped

I’m leaning tham though

[empty pagoda]

I still haven't figured out my area unlocks other then Mory at some point.

[verbal gyro]

i was really considering W, but i changed my mind to pick T

[wary egret]

If you were going to pick K and W which would you go for first?

[toxic vortex]

People always do

Cause "I'm a pker"

[verbal gyro]

i was going to pick W, K, M. But i think i'll go K, T, M now

Wilderness sounds fun tho

[austere depot]

I'm still not too settled on my order, wanted to do WAZ for kbc->void->rigour but task wise I'm not too sure it's a good order, Asgarnia is just gonna be 756345 gwd tasks isn't it

[tacit oyster]

not that many pking for the sake of pking, People do choose wilderness to rag others but they also attack just to get the spot in that world to themselves. Always few who want to "test" their build on other players

[verbal gyro]

GWD is really easy, kill boss, tp with altar outside, enter room, kill boss repeat

[tacit oyster]

I think husky even said he increased Nex kc tasks

[austere depot]

It is easy but idk if it's what I wanna be doing at that point in leagues lol

But build should be largely going at that point so maybe why not

[novel marsh]

Yeah, idk if I want to do W first since the tasks seem pretty quick, or do Z first and play around with the echo bow for a bit before I get KBC and respec

[tacit oyster]

im choosing painful grinds just to get my maxed zcb build

[rich rune]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-smile-jack-nicholson-yes-nod-gif-14306654

I have a near guarantee ohko rn

With a lil prayer pen, I can guarantee it through play

[tacit oyster]

other account getting way easier gear with T + A/M/Z

[rich rune]

Think of it as emergent gameplay 🙂

[austere depot]

I actually kinda like Nex solos on Leagues, should be more fun having actual sustain there for once instead of eating 50 potatoes and karambwans from bankers note and waiting for attack delay

[wary egret]

Man suffering plus thorns is so cool

[rich rune]

They mentioned what will not work. Blind bag, echoes, and thorns. t8s.They specifically said damage will. I have not found a clarification

[austere depot]

What's the zcb idea, thorns and sustain with flask an onyx procs?

[rich rune]

I'm at ~141 max guaranteed max hit. I need 165 to ohko through prayer without pen.

[tacit oyster]

not even thorns just full zcb with max regen and max accuracy + spec pacts. only sustain onyx bolts and flask

[rich rune]

Echoless*,thornless, bagless

[austere depot]

Flask is also spec energy sustain, that should be pretty fun, will you have a lightbearer?

[tacit oyster]

could run lightbearer but im using venator ring

[austere depot]

Since the flask gives you 100% and the spec is 75% it seems it would be kinda nice to get you another 50% before next flask

[tacit oyster]

i guess lightbearer before i get venator is option

[austere depot]

It's nice that they're both from the same region so you can just try both

And see if the lightbearer fits a good spec rotation with the flask cooldown or not

Though onyx specs aren't particularly important I suppose...

Actually yeah nah that doesn't really work, you'd be onyx specing right before and after getting fully healed by the flask anyway

[tacit oyster]

depending on content might need to hold specs a little at slight dps loss for healing

[pure flame]

do you need to pay the butler to make planks? i mean the sawmill fee

[wary egret]

Is suffering upkeep going to be a PITA? 50 charges isn’t that much lol

I guess can always transmute gems down

[toxic vortex]

depends if it counts towards the whole charges bit

[smoky raft]

worth noting that suffering's main benefit will heavily depend on the build you're using

a tank build will get a lot more from the def bonuses than the recoil effect, since the recoil only happens when you actually get hit

[wary egret]

It’s the BiS for me regardless of thorns. But I was going to build thorns for my last tree spec

[toxic vortex]

its also not a bad ring just for its defensive stats

thinking about my regions, I dont really think I'll have a better ring option until ultor

if I even go for that

[thin helm]

Bro why did they replace barbarian gathering with agile hands in leagues 7

[wary egret]

Flow state should’ve replaced barb gathering

[narrow reef]

KTZ, is it possible to get wrath runes without transmutation or Fremmy?

[toxic vortex]

you can make them in Kandarin

the wrath talisman is sold in one of the myth guild shops

[narrow reef]

Fr?? Legend god bless

[toxic vortex]

Obviously requires 95 rc

but yeah

[tacit oyster]

kandarin can make the or probably smuggle out of barbarian assault

ba wrath runes are special ID so might not delete regenerated normal wrath runes when wave ends

[toxic vortex]

would be interesting to see

[tacit oyster]

no confirmation about if it works though

[toxic vortex]

chat

KTM, ring choices

really kind of just suffering right?

until ultor

[smoky raft]

suffering is the standout, yea

[tacit oyster]

zeah has yama who can also drop wrath runes

[toxic vortex]

at least I can imbue it

[toxic vortex]

and seemingly they fixed the yama drops

[smoky raft]

leagues SOON but I have to go to work today

I'm not gonna be thinking about work at all

[solemn kiln]

hello there DrCeleryMan

[visual stone]

Are there any early game guides/builds for KAM/AKM? I want to go Air Mage, but I think I'll have to start melee/range and re-spec once I've done some of the early content. Someone must have already done loads of theorycrafting on this. Could anyone kindly point me in that direction?

[toxic vortex]

bitch it aint celery

[solemn kiln]

[tacit oyster]

they changed dossiers to no longer be multiplied by drop rate boosts, now it multiplies the contract amount from opening dossier

[smoky raft]

this is celery

[tacit oyster]

imagine accidentally opening 3 dossiers in yamas room and you get 15 unstackable contracts

[smoky raft]

I'm guessing that pfp is either leeks or a similar onion family vegetable

[toxic vortex]

green onion

well, green onion_s_

[smoky raft]

alr work time

goodbye forever

[toxic vortex]

you arent guffie

[pliant temple]

other than just making a lot of herbs at once and the tele, is there any reason to take nature's accord if you have transmute?

[formal wasp]

Anyone have a nox hally blind bag build? only just got time off from work so bit late to the party 🙁

[latent magnet]

ebk

[sterile fern]

is there a way to get bird snares in varlamore at level 1?

[toxic vortex]

faux has a good build for it

[formal wasp]

got a link? or is it the one he's still building on stream right now?

[toxic vortex]

probably that

hes been tweaking it a bit but I plan on going with what he has for the most part

[pulsar nest]

Blindbag looks mega fun for the potential, but that air dps is crazy 👀

[toxic vortex]

blindbag is the uber meme build this year

I want to see someone proc a bunch of dh hits for like 800 damage or whatever it is

[rich rune]

If prayer penetration works on players, I have found a 111 gauranteed w/ 99.91% accuracy (on 99 def dhide) through prayer.

143 off-prayer max.

[toxic vortex]

I feel like this is probably not the most optimized dps for a full dh blindbag

8 tile range nox hally with 5 DH axes in blindbag

using gemstone crab as a target dummy

[signal ember]

Box traps and bird snare have been added to the Fortis General store for leagues.

[rich rune]

Truthfully I haven't really seen any crazy dps blindbag.

Nothing anywhere close to airmage

[toxic vortex]

No probably not

but the max hit memes are funny

[rich rune]

Oh for sure, I'm thinking about doing it on the player end of things atm

It's a fun challenge to solve.

[toxic vortex]

this all assumes that an undamaged dh axe will still work for blindbag

so youd have 5 dh axes in invent with the nox hally being used to attack

[rich rune]

Did they confirm that it doesn't reduce the durabilty?

[toxic vortex]

well barrows item durability works by actually using the items in combat

its not a charge like the new stuff

at the very least it would degrade super slowly, I'd think

But I'm also thinking that they wouldnt degrade at all

"Barrows equipment degrades as it is used and has a total lifespan of 15 hours of in-combat use. Degrading occurs even if the player is using protection prayers and/or not taking damage."

But you wouldn't actually be in combat with it

The description on blind bag is "as if you are wielding the weapon"

So something tells me that they just grab the item stats, and roll an attack based on stats

[tacit oyster]

this would be pretty much max blindbag + echo setup in dps calc. 3 charged scythes + 2 uncharged scythes, crystal with max melee. TZM (on crab so no slayer helm bonus)

[toxic vortex]

Yeah I mean 32.5 dps is still insane

But thats at the top end with multiple scythes

[tacit oyster]

29-30 dps with only 1 scythe on 4 other high str weapons

just very low compared to the other builds i have in dps calc

[rich rune]

Yea and even if you were, the attack is instantaneous, it shouldn't count for combat time, since it's not even a tick of combat time.

[tacit oyster]

4 and 5 are air mages without elemental weakness on enemy

[grave pollen]

My task list is finished and printed. Can’t wait.

[warm bane]

is there a known time frame that leagues goes live?

[tacit oyster]

Tomorrow League schedule (shows local time)
Game update: <t:1776245400:t>

Leagues worlds open: <t:1776249000:t>

[molten gust]

They released the this too. Though they forgot to add am or pm.

[tired quiver]

Are the full tasks out?

[molten gust]

Yep. You can find them on the wiki

[tacit oyster]

all tasks probably released 1-2 hours before league worlds open

[tired quiver]

The wiki only has the tasks for varla and general

[molten gust]

Oh thought they had them all. Oops.

[toxic vortex]

They have some other tasks added that we know about for the pact point tasks

but thats about it

[tired quiver]

oh okay, i was hoping to work on a route

ive managed to make a build that just with rcb and bolts get me to 510 max hit every hit

and super ranging pot

[smoky raft]

I wish you luck with your build and also the ability to plan to a new one when that one inevitably doesn't work as expected

[tired quiver]

Hey you're a non escaped one of me

[smoky raft]

you assume that my containment is equal to my imprisonment

[tired quiver]

and yeah you're probably right but i like to try myself and then learn rather than follows metas

Ahh, you have Stockholm Syndrome. My poor ewe.

[tired quiver]

Christ there's memes already

xD

I hadn't added the healing stuff so i guessed i missed that

[toxic vortex]

@tired quiver https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/aUV1Rua7I4

[smoky raft]

a big benefit to Endless Harvest is that you can get to work then go make yourself a proper meal

[tired quiver]

I wish. i'm on the fat guy jab

[solemn kiln]

Its so hard to chose between EH and Abundance for me

[fickle jasper]

EH was an easy pick for me

Afk = king

😛

[grave pollen]

It took me so long to realize what you
meant and then I realized I am too 😂😂

[austere depot]

It's nice they're all getting attention, I got BG locked in pretty firmly lol

[blissful fiber]

ok i think i got something going?

[austere depot]

2t redwood punching is gonna be wild

[uneven loom]

I don’t think I’m rdy for this league what relic should I go first?

[austere depot]

Oh was gonna point out hotfoot then noticed the reload

That's one hell of a smithing solve lol

[uneven loom]

Reload is like 8 tier

[blissful fiber]

actually i might swap endless harvest if i go transmutation

not sure

idk

[uneven loom]

You can’t get rune pickaxe until 48 slayer 20 rc

[blissful fiber]

isnt moons of perils auto completed

[austere depot]

Without EH, with those regions I'm assuming you'd be punching amethyst and leaping fish, and I don't think either of those works with hotfoot

[uneven loom]

Could be ?

[fickle pine]

Why reload into endless harvest at tier 7?

[uneven loom]

Why wouldn’t you go 3tick everything

[grave pollen]

It looks like you can buy one at Cam Torum

[uneven loom]

I forgot the name

[austere depot]

I'm doing T7 Flow State, and going 200M woodcutting at redwoods with BG

[austere depot]

2tick :)

[uneven loom]

Yeah but it requires start of moons of peril

[fickle pine]

hear me out, smithing is solved with flowstate > Larceny without Tirannwen

[uneven loom]

Am I trippin I never do Varlamore

[austere depot]

I actually really wanted to BG+EH too but Flow State is like, not fully committing the T7 to gathering skills while still helping with them a bunch

[grave pollen]

I am now looking but I didn’t see that but I don’t know shit

[blissful fiber]

to make skilling chiller afterward

seems logical no?

granted idk what my goals are exactly

since this is my first league

[fickle pine]

honestly I was just curious

[blissful fiber]

but i dont see myself reaching high exp threshold without endless harvest

and i kinda need barbarian since im not taking elf region

[fickle pine]

I have the same regions as you and a similar relic choice

[grave pollen]

That quest is autocompleted so I think it’s good?

[fickle pine]

The one thing I see being an issue is smithing, which I think i solved outside of simply mining

[austere depot]

You do have redwoods and BG+EH is the same exp rate as BG+FS at them, so they're both decent agi exp, FS has more utility overall while EH enables the hotfoot smithing solve

And EH has the auto banking too

[blissful fiber]

and this is what i have in mind for pacts

[fickle pine]

since we have asgarnia, we have rogues outfit, in Mol Ul Rek not only is there a gem stall, but an ore stall. so we have 20x on all ores in Karamja
Flowstate superheat is fastest smithing xp if we get out resources this way

[blissful fiber]

cerberus + thermy

thorn/light/fire/water

[austere depot]

Honestly I still think BG+EH is fair even if using T7 on gathering skills looks silly

There are some other funny combos like butler+transmute

[blissful fiber]

as much that i say i want chill skilling

buttler is just... too chill i think

[austere depot]

Butler is probably gonna do my smithing because I just wanna punch amethyst

[toxic vortex]

Butler doesn't do bars though

Wait, thats transmute

my bad

[elder crater]

Whenever an attack deals 0 damage to you while either a two-handed shield or an off-hand is equipped, you're healed for 2 and restore 2 prayer points does this trigger when you have overhead on or only when npc fails to hit?

[grave pollen]

Can you even train rune crafting in varlmore?

[tacit oyster]

based on video it should count 0s even if you protect from something

[austere depot]

I'll prob have butler smelt to bypass coal and then smith the rune and addy bars with Flow State

[wary egret]

Goal 1: have fun
Goal 2: dopamine

[toxic vortex]

sulphur naguas i think

[austere depot]

Yeah..... You'll probably find more luck in Karamja Actually that requires lv to begin with

[tacit oyster]

naguas, cosmic altar or sunfire runes. naguas only early lvl method

[blissful fiber]

there's the super niche method of sulphur naguas

which drop sulphurous essence

[[Sulphurous Essence]]

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Sulphurous_essence

[rugged pike]

Oooh tier 6 relic looks like a tough choice

[brittle hull]

anyone having issues with task tracker / rune leagues plugin?

[rugged pike]

Both grimoire and the slayer one look so helpful...

[pulsar nest]

The idea of 1 hitting (in a team) something like verzik is just rly fun lol

Unironically, blind bag is insane for p1 verz

[wary egret]

So we just aren’t getting task lists today?

[novel marsh]

I'm doing this w/ reload butler since I want transmute for start but later in the league, gonna have some weeks / weekends where I can't play lol

[tacit oyster]

full list might be out tomorrow 1-2 hours before league worlds opens, not guaranteed though

[wary egret]

I’m torn on this choice. Seems like an opportunity cost to reload butler cause he can be grinding the entire way to T7 then you just explode to T8 with transmute

[novel marsh]

I have time to play for league start, so I expect to get more active value from transmute and shouldn't have any problems hitting T7 before any significant downtime

if that weren't the case then yeah, prolly start butler relaod transmute

[inner zenith]

any teasers today?

[tacit oyster]

there was new player leagues explanation video, nothing else

[toxic vortex]

Just the release time has been set

And Husky did confirm that it is 80 tasks to unlock karamja

[copper gorge]

Can i just quickly say, what a ridiculously boring end to the reveals

[stiff hinge]

hmmmm no. you can't. straight to jail for the crime of speaking out against our glorious world leader executioner

[lilac sleet]

just got banned from leagues discord for saying that people there dont take questions very serious lol

[toxic vortex]

its funny because balista/crossbow is basically executioner lite

[copper gorge]

I dont understand (im a pleb) how you can get max hits to 510 or like other stuff.

Like anything over 120 seems borderline unattainable

[toxic vortex]

For what

[wary egret]

Maybe even better depending on what you’re killing

[copper gorge]

Max hit for a single hit of anything

Someone in here was talking about a massive hit ballista route

[tacit oyster]

they are confusing the echoes in wiki dps as weapon max hit

[wary egret]

Olm head is 800 hp? Meaning if max hit is over 160 then it’s better than executioner

[tacit oyster]

ballista spec will be the highest single hit splat though

[copper gorge]

Will it work for special attacks tho

Or only regular hits

[grave pollen]

Does anyone remember from the last league if elite clue scrolls that said kill a hellhound or something similar were given if you were in a region that didn’t have that monster?

[copper gorge]

Most clues for the most part were region locked.

There were one offs for sure though. I do recall that being an issue with one or 2 clue steps specifically.

[toxic vortex]

there are always tasks that are bugged at first

[sick turret]

Are there any mage + melee builds that dont use the dagger?

[toxic vortex]

but they try to fix them

[tacit oyster]

crystal powered staff + noxious halberd blindbag. Tirannwn + Morytania

[old tapir]

plenty, but they involve weapon swapping, dagger (and kbd crossbow) are the only weapons that dip into mutliple styles on their own

[sick turret]

are there enough points to do both?

just worried about watering them down too much

blindbag looks fun for sure

[tacit oyster]

You cannot get all the 1% increase notes to mage and melee if you do hybrid

[old tapir]

i dont think those are that important unless you're using shadow

air mages out here with permanent item protection prayer on is kinda funny

[whole dragon]

Can anyone confirm Hotfoot also grants the XP for smithing/cooking and not jsut processing it for you?

[toxic vortex]

protect item, rapid heal

the one for boosted potion effects

[old tapir]

mystic might+steel skin instead of augury even

[toxic vortex]

can you have mystic might steel skin + one of the other melee prayers?

[tacit oyster]

burst of strenght + clarity of thought instead of mystic might

[old tapir]

now we're just getting silly with it

[toxic vortex]

its called min-maxing you pleb

[old tapir]

getting silly with it

[wary egret]

Aka the post nut clarity combo

[versed echo]

What are some good money solves that can be done in any region?

[tacit oyster]

cutting gems in aldarin

[versed echo]

oh yeah nice

[astral sigil]

Is there anyone not going endless harvest? Lmao

[toxic vortex]

I was originally a barbarian stan, but I'm going endless I think

[astral sigil]

I'm considering barb because I don't wanna play afkscape the whole league lol

[wary egret]

The same people who took mushroom leagues 1

[copper gorge]

Well its only 3 skills you can afk with endless. Mining, fishing, wc.

Larc is also afk so 4.

Idk what else you can really afk beyond those 4

[tacit oyster]

butler is 4 afk too

[toxic vortex]

Combat

[copper gorge]

Well yeah gem crab

But like you arent just gunna sit gem crab all leagues

[stiff hinge]

lots of people who are taking abundance/bg

[toxic vortex]

You don't know me

But no, I won't

[copper gorge]

Ill be the guy in the yellow cape

[stiff hinge]

i think the bonus people are sleeping on for EH is that not only is it those three skills but it also means you bank the materials for the followups and that is usually the annoying part of THOSE skills

[pure karma]

which youtuber made the best starting guide so far?

[stiff hinge]

and it's double returns

[gilded totem]

Are you going to have to do a Gauntlet run for every Echo Hunleff attempt?

[verbal gyro]

Not a guide, but I liked A Cold One’s video

[tacit oyster]

echo orb permanently opens the option to fight echo boss

[gilded totem]

So you'll fight it with your regular gear then?

[toxic vortex]

green cape

[tacit oyster]

you spawn with t3 armor, all 3 t3 weapons and 12 fish i think

[verbal gyro]

Just like CG, but harder boss fight

[gilded totem]

Actually Wiki's got it already. You get dropped in with BiS Guantlet gear

Good to know, maybe Tirannwn is viable for me

Never did CG till Gridmaster and that took me hoursssss

[astral sigil]

I think that's the driving factor for anyone selecting it otherwise they would likely go abundance

[verbal gyro]

staff healing should be good for that🤷🏽‍♂️

[toxic vortex]

People have said that echo CG is actually a pretty difficult fight

[tacit oyster]

idk how it will feel with 1tick powered staff since you need to move a lot

[iron prawn]

it was very fun and challenging last leagues

[pulsar nest]

it was until you got t5 or better masteries

them it became pretty trivial beyond that

[iron prawn]

^^i agree with this too, the prayer pen and 2t was wayy too strong

[wary egret]

Take hotfoot and it’s 5 though

[remote tapir]

Is there a specific channel for theory crafting some builds?

I thought I had an idea of what I might want to try and do but I’m not sure what would be the best way to do it

[iron prawn]

check the leagues discord, alot of theorycraft threads there

[remote tapir]

Nice pfp

[tacit oyster]

this would probably be the fastest pact setup for cg, 13 points

[old tapir]

what's the combat achievement calculator i've seen people using

[tacit oyster]

17 point version for almost double accuracy

[old tapir]

found it

decent overhead https://i.imgur.com/al8ldXH.png

[toxic vortex]

what calculator is that?

[whole dragon]

Can anyone confirm Hotfoot also grants the XP for smithing/cooking and not jsut processing it for you?

[old tapir]

nerotox dot dev

i'm sure its not whitelisted

[toxic vortex]

pretty sure it does

but not 100%

[whole dragon]

The language makes me think its a trap and that it just converts the item

[old tapir]

also has one for clogs https://i.imgur.com/b3g9US9.png

[whole dragon]

Cause woodsman says this..

[old tapir]

this is with stuff like pets, jars and third age removed

[whole dragon]

chopped logs are automatically burned while WCing granting full fm XP, this effect can be toggle...

[toxic vortex]

I guess we will find out for sure tomorrow

[old tapir]

for what its worth the reveal trailer shows getting both fishing and cooking when it catches a fish

[whole dragon]

oh good shout

[old tapir]

speaking of hotfoot, what's the point of getting double lap count

where does that matter

i guess if there's a princely monkey task or something

that's all i can think of

[vagrant acorn]

every roof top has a lap task

ardy rooftop, falador, polivneach and so on

[old tapir]

ah

[wary egret]

I’m assuming every agility course has a lap count task

[whole dragon]

that would especially help monkey laps tho for Kandarin elemental goers

[old tapir]

call me yakamaru the way i be throwing water at everything

[whole dragon]

I think HF synergy with EH for smithing/cooking and convenience for lap tasks + avoiding most agility training in general, puts it at way more effeciency value than Woodsman, that barely helps hunter, which it only adds some conveniences and double XP to hunter, but REGARDLESS,you have to HARD interact with the skill beginning to end (if going for 50m especially)

Only other caveats is fletching doesnt need a solve, its insanely fast already and 0 time usually with GP. Firemaking hardly needs a solve for Most Kourend choosers or just bonfiring shit in general

[wary egret]

Gonna change my ign to squirter

[old tapir]

woodsman is good if you're not reloading into forager

[wary egret]

BBC squirter to be precise

[old tapir]

can just transmute to the exact herb seeds you want and make all the potions

[whole dragon]

I'm not going woodsman, transmutation, or FF

Farming will be solved with tree seeds insane xp at 16X and Tithe if i gotta.

[tacit oyster]

none of the t2 are must have

[old tapir]

and transmute potato seeds to snape grass seeds

there's your prayer potions

[whole dragon]

spider eggs and restores will be my plan instead

wont need much

[tacit oyster]

woodsman is underrated for the guaranteed herb or tree seed from each harvest

[old tapir]

planner is nice enough to remind me to do fight arena, garden of death and hazeel cult before i pick desert as my third region

[whole dragon]

its just lower value overall for effeciency, IMO

[tacit oyster]

if you take endless harvest then yes hotfoot pair better with it

[rotund osprey]

will i be able to do toa if i dont choose desert?

[whole dragon]

People also sleep on EH as just being the afk relic also, when it also gives 2x resoruce, so 2x xp

[old tapir]

no

[rotund osprey]

cool thank you! really wanted to train raids in this mode, so i guess i'll pick all the raids regions

[abstract rover]

Hello, new here and just heard about leagues, if I login to rs3 and redeem a bond can I play the league?

[old tapir]

yes you can

[tacit oyster]

all raids will be slow to get going but can work if you are down for grinding and manage to get most of the pact points

[old tapir]

think it would be better to go kourend or kandarin first?

i'm looking at kandarin and thinking, i'll be stuck here grinding slayer to 90 before i can do anything meaningful

[tacit oyster]

kandarin has early xp quests and a lot of easy point tasks from skilling usually

[potent quail]

My kandarin list so far

Kandarin
• Op Echo Weapon
• Kebbit spawn for hunter
• Zenytes, Heavy ballista and trident(and warped scepter early)
• Easy pact points
• Clue Pickpocket
• barb fishing
• wrath runes
• mm2 monkeys for chinning ranged,

[dim crystal]

I feel like kandarin as first pick stinks because the pacts get so limited

[old tapir]

not that they're easier in kourend lol

[dim crystal]

oh yeah agree there. I'm going to try Tirannwn personally

[visual stone]

If you kill the Echo Amoxliatl, can you bank the pact reset? Or do you have to use it there and then, it lose it?

[old tapir]

i think you have to go to the special yama lair to respec

its not an immediate use

[potent quail]

Bank

[visual stone]

Excellent answer, thanks

[tacit oyster]

kandarin has 2 easy tasks and then 3 tasks behind 87 slayer, kourend has 2-3 easy tasks and then rest very far away

[potent quail]

Zeah
• Master Clue solve
• Fun raid? -> lots of Endgame DPS upgrades
• Wintertodt -> FM solve?
• Hydra for bonecrusher
• Farming guilds
• As the mandatory raid region its got more clogs than desert and faster than mory

[formal furnace]

man, I'm trying to figure out what build I wanna play with because the regions I take may depend on it, but there are so many good and fun builds 🥲

[old tapir]

what to do about early gear

probably not leaving varlamore until i have full blue moon

use the amox weapon to farm that? what would you do amox with though

[potent quail]

My plan is kandarin get warped scepter

[tacit oyster]

rune mace

[mint shoal]

whatre best regions for air prayer mage?

Was thinking KZM

[tacit oyster]

rune mace for regular amox and then glacials for echo amoxliatl

[potent quail]

Amox is super easy can do it with basicly any mellee weapon

[old tapir]

you're thinking of normal

we don't know how strong the echo is

[lone bloom]

What time does league release tmw?

[potent quail]

Get glacial boppers from normal amox

[potent quail]

Presumably you are supposed to do echo amox before moons

[grave pollen]

In case anyone is interested. If you stuck with varlamore as your only region for awhile, there are 3 master clue locations, 5 elite clue locations, 8 hard clue locations, 5 medium clue locations, and 5 easy clues. One elite clue requires heart of darkness and one requires the final dawn. No other requirements if you get the relic.

Disclaimer: I may have missed a clue or two and there may be a few errors on region lock.

[lone bloom]

K I’m playing at 630 est

[old tapir]

that does seem to be the intention given the all melee style gimmick, but whether its actually balanced to allow that is a different question

[potent quail]

The design in main game is

Ice sulphurs for crush dual hit weapon
Amox farm
Then sulphur farm for sulphur blades
Then moons

[old tapir]

probably is

[potent quail]

He did mention it in the video
But it wasnt very clear

[tacit oyster]

echo amoxliatl would seem to be dps check before whole room is ragged. unless it clears old after certain time

[old tapir]

so you probably do want ice boppers for amox

which means 48 slayer

[tacit oyster]

for sure you do normal amoxliatl or frost naguas for boppers

you need 48 slayer to do the quest to access it anyway

[old tapir]

indeed

what do you farm the ice dudes with though

[tacit oyster]

rune mace

[old tapir]

sold in outer fortis

[grave pollen]

How about dragon long sword?

Or dagger

[old tapir]

[[spikes spikes]]

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Spike's_Spikes

[tacit oyster]

dragon dagger would be fine too if you get diamond from somewhere

[whole dragon]

frost naguas are 50% fire weakness...soo

and mage scales the hardest without any gear early on

i simply would NOT go there with a runemace lmao

[old tapir]

hahaha

i don't actually know where the rune shop in varlamore is

[whole dragon]

very easy to get 3tick mage spells as well

you can respec later if you dont want that

[tacit oyster]

next best option is waiting for t4 relic to get transmutation, which boosts drop rate from 2x to 5x too

[toxic vortex]

oof that 1/500 on the ice boppers though

[whole dragon]

AMOX is also 30% fire weakness/

[tacit oyster]

2x starting drop rate boost, so 1/250

[toxic vortex]

+100 magic defense

so not great

[old tapir]

would you do amox with fire bolt

[whole dragon]

probably fire blast or wave minimum

not like you need to rush it

[old tapir]

dunno where you'd get blood runes in varlamore

[whole dragon]

plus you need enough combat masteries which give you accuracy anyway

[old tapir]

so blast is probably good

[whole dragon]

30% fireweakness INCLUDES accuracy too btw

[toxic vortex]

just naked casting fire bolt

[whole dragon]

no pacts?

[toxic vortex]

0

[whole dragon]

well duh!

[toxic vortex]

well, the first one

I know but its just a basis

[old tapir]

at what magic level

[dim crystal]

that's lv 126 in the image, so 99 magic likely

[old tapir]

oof

[toxic vortex]

yeah

[old tapir]

there has to be a more straightforward way of getting geared for amox than trying for the 1/250

[dim crystal]

yeah, go elsewhere get the gear and come back lol

[old tapir]

like i could fire bolt/blast frost boys all day but

what gear though

[dim crystal]

no I mean like another region/get pact points

[old tapir]

kandarin for mystic lol

[tacit oyster]

rune mace + str amulet, 60 str, 40 att with 7 pact points

a little too long fight for me still

[toxic vortex]

honestly you are better off bashing it with the staff

its like double the accuracy

[whole dragon]

i cant post images

why is this

[toxic vortex]

fire blast, 99 magic, full mystic, mystic fire staff

[tacit oyster]

have to be active in discord until you reach steel rank to post images in most channels

[toxic vortex]

@old tapir same gear, but attacking with the staff itself

[whole dragon]

...ok

[toxic vortex]

Wait

[elder crater]

does friendly forager stack with abundance?

[toxic vortex]

wrong screenshot

[old tapir]

i'm in the calc too, i see it

very funny

[toxic vortex]

there we go

but yeah

[toxic vortex]

image posting/embedding is based on chat rank. chat rank is given based on messages sent in chat

youve been in the server for a long time but you haven't really chatted

[dim crystal]

keep in mind you're likely not gonna have 99s if you're going to amox in region 1 that early

gemmy's good, but not that good

[old tapir]

are we really gonna go there with a rune mace

there's NO WAY

[toxic vortex]

the accuracy drops to 15% with only lvl 50 magic

[tacit oyster]

obby mace is like 5% better than rune mace

[whole dragon]

@toxic vortex yeah i sent you my images for fire blast with limited pact investment which wouldnt hurt to do early anyway since mage is strongest to gear up for and doesnt need tons of levels/gear to scale like range/melee

like 4.0 dps

[dim crystal]

yeah but vs 30% that's half

[wary egret]

Will hotfoot give double brim tickets?

[toxic vortex]

go to #botzone and use the !rank command

you need lvl 10

[toxic vortex]

no but tickets are boosted with the minigame boost on the passive tiers

[tacit oyster]

how many points is that or is it at 99 magic? since i cannot get fire bast even to 2dps in early setups against amoxliatl

[whole dragon]

truth be told im not sure its worth to rush AMOX at all

[old tapir]

obby mace and full obby for amox if you wanna wait until karamja could be a play also

[wary egret]

Good to know. So wait until T4 if there’s a 500 ticket task or something

[tacit oyster]

you are likely to be t4 for amoxliatl

[toxic vortex]

there are most definitely some tasks for tickets

[dim crystal]

yeah I honestly would not. Like it's nice to get the echo weapon, but surely gearing and levelling elsewhere will do way more for you

[toxic vortex]

I think one of the tasks last time was the pirate hook

so however many tickets you need for that

[whole dragon]

considering you need to kill the echo variant several times yeah

but just the base version is cringe with low gear in any style

[toxic vortex]

AND echo amox probably has higher stats

[dim crystal]

1/30, which means 1/60 if unlucky for the new weapon too. And if you don't have things like pots, long kills are gonna wreck you

[old tapir]

full obby is a 162 ttk

honestly not awful

[whole dragon]

i swear amox was supposed to be a mid game boss

[old tapir]

duuude

what a puzzle

[whole dragon]

i dont like that they made it so resistant to magic but then also give it a weakness

is it weak or not? pick

[dim crystal]

you just need a lot higher magic threshold for accuracy

[potent quail]

My build
Very proud
Lots of work

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=HedgeHeirloomFuse

ktz

obviously if you take wildy get water mastery

[tacit oyster]

sadly ironman have no early game crush weapons outside the boppers

[toxic vortex]

cant get full obby until after firecape though

[whole dragon]

as part of a broader-wider-longer term conversation, the crush progression in this game is absoutlely atrocious

[potent quail]

Rune mace?

[old tapir]

[tacit oyster]

glacial temotli double your dps on amoxliatl over rune mace

[toxic vortex]

so basically

[potent quail]

Also maybe a staff? I remember these have solid mellee stats

[toxic vortex]

go get your 1/250

[old tapir]

or suffer

[toxic vortex]

or bonk it with a staff

[whole dragon]

im just gonna farm the frost naguas with fire blast and use boppers after, but also after i get more stats/gear on crab

[potent quail]

You do amox to get the glacials

[potent quail]

Will be very competetive day 1

[toxic vortex]

I kinda want to bonk with a staff just to be fun though

[tacit oyster]

im gonna get t4 relic then farm frost naguas

[potent quail]

Normal amox is really easy btw

[toxic vortex]

It is

[whole dragon]

everyone else will be struggling with cringe gear like rune mace and shit for no reason

[tacit oyster]

yeah but 3min+ kill time with rune mace

[whole dragon]

where you going to get all those stats for that too

[old tapir]

frost naguas are faster with crush too over fire

[toxic vortex]

beta rune mace vs chad staff of fire

[potent quail]

You will struggle getting 1 frost nague kill

[old tapir]

staff bonking goes too hard

[whole dragon]

frost naguas are weak to fire spells

[potent quail]

Mhh ok good point

I just skip all mellee stuff

And go powrred staff into T /CG

Getting powered staff from kandarin

Moons after respec 1

[toxic vortex]

83% accuracy just bonking frost naguas

43% accuracy using fire blast, 50 magic

[old tapir]

its actually so dire https://i.imgur.com/mOUJlC6.png

[whole dragon]

wtf is that comparing

[old tapir]

left is staff bonking

right is fire blast

[whole dragon]

with 99 stats??

you're not bonking 21s with a firestaff early leagues

lmao

[old tapir]

i think it might be better to not worry about bossing for a long long time

[whole dragon]

you're gonna need like 40 att to even weild runemace, and atleast 40-50 str to even have neough max hits to do something

[tacit oyster]

mage ignores flat armor, melee gets bonus damage every hit. but the staff max hit is still too high for 70 stats

[whole dragon]

where you can speed run magic super quickly with little investment for fireblast and hit 24s

[old tapir]

still gotta grind that 1/250

[whole dragon]

no one is accounting for the time its going to take training and aquriing rune mace

[tacit oyster]

wait until you hear that glacial temotli need 55 att to wear

[whole dragon]

that too

ill defintley train with that staff on gem crab

[old tapir]

okay so you probably wait with doing that entire sequence until t4 when you get 5x rates

[tacit oyster]

im skilling to 60-70 str with barbarian gathering

[old tapir]

1/100 is reasonable

[whole dragon]

now you're thinking with your head

i think too many people day 1 are going to rush Amox and its going to be super ineffecient

speed run your relics and tiers instead

[old tapir]

the jerboas watching their entire population get captured

[tacit oyster]

i just need to see what the tasks for desert/asgarnia are to choose which one i take first. most likely getting next region unlock before amoxliatl

[old tapir]

can we talk about this for a moment

[small flower]

it's a map

[old tapir]

the bar at the top seems to imply the karamja unlock and then the first region unlock are pretty spacedd out

[small flower]

yes

has been confirmed it's like 80 tasks in

[old tapir]

look how little the bar is filled up with 8 tasks also

80 tasks for karamja?

and then how many more for first region?

[tacit oyster]

based on that seems 80 -> 160 -> 200 -> 280

[small flower]

if it's properly spaced there yea

[toxic vortex]

Well karamja is the first region

[old tapir]

that is substantial

[small flower]

lots to do in varlamore

it's fine

[copper gorge]

Auburn vale anvil kinda near bank. Didnt know this

[old tapir]

you right

[small flower]

like... lots to do in varlamore

[old tapir]

are you doable in varlamore?

asking for a friend

[small flower]

no, i'm off limits

i open up in wildy though

[old tapir]

ayo

[copper gorge]

Dumbest question of all.... Fairy rings. Are those going to come prepopulated or am i going to have to look em all up

[old tapir]

they were prepopulated last league iirc

[tacit oyster]

probably remembers your previous fairy rings from temporary gamemodes

lets hope you went everywhere in gridmaster i guess

[old tapir]

gotta whip out the ol' better teleports plugin also since those relics are just gonna be a list of 80% inaccessible stuff

clue compass was awful without the plugin

[copper gorge]

Mobile

[old tapir]

sadness

[tacit oyster]

lovely... 1000 teleports on map of alacrity

[small flower]

yea without a filter on that it'd be a nightmare

[toxic vortex]

Yeah that map is going to be fucked

[smoky raft]

this is why I am begging everyone else picking map to choose a seperate bank teleport for skilling

So they can use the right click last destination option that the map will probably have

[tacit oyster]

scrolling 1minute to find the shortcut, faster to walk across whole karamja

[smoky raft]

Even if it's just rings of duelling in kandarin

[small flower]

well, the menu replacer should let you hotkey different options

if that's still a thing

whatever it was actually called, been a long time

[old tapir]

maybe picking the powered staff node early for the warped sceptre is a good idea

i can just respec later

[small flower]

is an option, you're gonna be hitting like 5-6 max a hit early on tho

[old tapir]

not awful when its every tick

that does seem to be leading me to kandarin first kourend second

[small flower]

yea, should be fine early on, and it'll improve

[scenic creek]

i last played runescape in the last league

and before that i played runescape in the league before

my time has come

what the fuck is sailing

[old tapir]

you're on a boat

and it goes brrrr

just like your legs go brrrr on land

[scenic creek]

oh its not even enabled during the league anyway pog

[old tapir]

yeah no sailing in the league

[scenic creek]

i just wanna chop tree and mine rock

[old tapir]

the simple life

[toxic vortex]

Do it king

[opal agate]

some here buddy, choppers for life

[old tapir]

the warped sceptre early play https://i.imgur.com/v3wT7wR.png gonna grab the 3 highlighted ones too if possible i think

[smoky raft]

leagues SOON

[dull imp]

heyy right on time

sleep about 2 hours from now, wake up and grind

[scenic creek]

what time does it start

[dull imp]

5am cst

[scenic creek]

damn league starts on my birthday 💔

[toxic vortex]

5:30 central

[scenic creek]

i've gotta XP waste by spending time with loved ones

i'll never recover from this

[dull imp]

tell them for your bday you wanna be left alone

[toxic vortex]

It's CDT right now bro

[scenic creek]

every single league so far I have made the worst possible choices with my relics

[smoky raft]

11 hours and 58 minutes from now !!!!!!!!

[scenic creek]

this year that changes

[opal agate]

invite some kids and put them to work on some willows and iron ores XD

[scenic creek]

last league = unlimited money or an echo pickaxe
im a dumbass so guess which one I took

[meager anvil]

crystal tools seeds still require a dragon tool to make crystal tools in leagues right?

[toxic vortex]

Yes

[meager anvil]

ty

[smoky raft]

break over, back to job...

leagues should be a national holiday

this is bullshit

[scenic creek]

fucking £11 for membership now mad

[icy comet]

5:30 central time? So I’m pacific so 6:30am my time?

[scenic creek]

i'll wait until tomorrow before renewing, maybe they'll be some leagues deal on or something

[toxic vortex]

#game-news message

[smoky raft]

pacific is 2 hours before central iirc

so you'd be 3:30 AM

[cosmic shoal]

Anybody got a good resource to plan/learn more about leagues? I have no idea what i should be doing

[toxic vortex]

They haven't said anything yet about a leagues package

[inner zenith]

random, do you know if you cna buy silk then sell back to him for the task xD

[toxic vortex]

Which seems crazy because it seemed popular last time

[old tapir]

warped sceptre is surprisingly okay for frost naguas also

the 1 tick and the -4 armor doing work

[scenic creek]

honestly just sending it blind is really fun, the wiki always has good info though and will get updated very quickly

there's a task list so you can't go wrong with just picking a task and knocking it out

[meager anvil]

What's your guys plans for moons? Rush or return later?

[toxic vortex]

Well

[cosmic shoal]

so i don't necessarily have to do all of this planning. I'm going in blind then and using the Wiki as a guide

Excited!

[toxic vortex]

In theory rushing moons makes sense

[old tapir]

it seems like the plan is get kandarin and t4, get warped sceptre, farm naguas, use ice boppers on amox, use amox weapon on moons

[toxic vortex]

Yeah

[scenic creek]

its 8 weeks long, the real challenge to get dragon is not burning out and giving up too soon

[toxic vortex]

Since they work with all three styles

All depends on the specific mechanics of the echo amox fight

[scenic creek]

you'll see a lot of people zoom ahead and stop very early

[dull imp]

you can

[dull imp]

sit in varlamore for a week and completion it, then do pacts

[meager anvil]

what gear/pacts do you plan on using for moons

[opal agate]

yeah, theres really no rush, everyone will have a good chance to get to dragon in 8 weeks without supermaxxing the first few days, main goal in league should be to have fun, enjoy the mega buffs, do some fun content

[dull imp]

light weapons, mace and then eventually echo tehmotlis.

i can already turbo speed moons main game so any minor melee buff is enough

[scenic creek]

i think im gonna go barbarian gathering, it'll be funny just punching trees

[dull imp]

and amox is free with a rune mace

[scenic creek]

i imagine that will be the least common choice too

[opal agate]

abundance for speedrunners - EH for afkers (me) - Barb G for enjoyers

[meager anvil]

bis against eclipse moon is normally stab right?

[toxic vortex]

Yes

[dull imp]

bis against eclipse and slow and high str, like dharoks axe

[scenic creek]

barbarian gathering + hotfoot
catch the fish with your bare heads and then cook it using the heat generated by squeezing your muscles as tight as possible

[lilac sleet]

can you help me clarify something or give your input on it

I'm trying to figure out if the V's helm, the 5% chance to generate no cost to ur next spec. is there anything that tells us when it's activated, or if i have no spec left, will it refill spec or what>

or anyone really

[analog moat]

weak helm

[dull imp]

theres a bonk sound

but its kinda shit

[lilac sleet]

really or u trolling

any icon or anytrhing

[analog moat]

5% is so low

[dull imp]

not trolling

[lilac sleet]

i dont play with sounds

[dull imp]

if i recall, faux said a bonk sounf

[lilac sleet]

any icon tho

[dull imp]

once of the preview youtube vids might have it

[lilac sleet]

i dont play with sounds

[dull imp]

maybe scritics

[lilac sleet]

hmm

[toxic vortex]

Yeah idk dawg

[dull imp]

id go watch a vid

[toxic vortex]

Sorry

[dull imp]

not many people going frem, cuz the echo is lackluster

[lilac sleet]

well i'm going Frem, but trying to find a reason not to

thats wjy i'm checking every aspect of frem

[toxic vortex]

I like the helm. But maybe it needed to be v's helm and shield

[lilac sleet]

well that 5% can trigger on any hit, remember it's not just the spec

it's also a 5% to null all damage

[analog moat]

shield would of made more sense with the torn stuff

thorn

[toxic vortex]

Also give it fire/poison/antivenom

[analog moat]

so out of 100 times you might see 5 times