i now have to go tehre myself to see the mass of birbs
#leagues-general
small flower
lone bloom
buffed*
thorny summit
How doodie do you think clues would be for doing all clue tasks if I dont take Conniving Clues?
tacit oyster
No idea if it just insta spawns when it lands or if it spawn when to starts to fly to trap 
thorny summit
Can you link?
dull imp
Can you link?
i think this one
ive watched a ton of vids though
pulled from history lol
thorny summit
Ty haha
dull imp
8 now and they said they were gunna make sure 8 were always alive as much as possible
cursive edge
So did the wiki DPS calcs change at all today?
worldly kindle
Will butlers bell do all the activities at the same time?
cursive edge
Will butlers bell do all the activities at the same time?
Nah you pick one at a time
dull imp
Ty haha
watching it back i dont think he explicitly says conniving isnt worth it, but transmute is so good it overrides conniving imo. Also someone in the chat was talking about if kandarin and thieving you can finish clues just by dropping bad steps
and i need a rc solve so reloading into soul harvest
vs clues which are fast if you slow roll the region unlocks via not unlocking in the ui and just banking the points
small flower
8 now and they said they were gunna make sure 8 were always alive as much as pos...
so just +2 but hyper respawns, should be fine
analog moat
abundance plus 10 are you always plus 10 levels or just start with 10 levels
worldly kindle
abundance plus 10 are you always plus 10 levels or just start with 10 levels
Always +10
small flower
it counst as a boost
worldly kindle
89 you can do all
dull imp
so just +2 but hyper respawns, should be fine
im also just getting like 15gp from pickpockets and going straight there, will backtrack after i get the level for rumors to do tasks to unlock woodsman
worldly kindle
Anyone have fast rush relics build for max multiplier?
small flower
i'm not good at rushing anything, i'll probably wander over as I get to it, not to mention there's no way i'm actually on at 8am anyway
small flower
Anyone have fast rush relics build for max multiplier?
with how generous the xp milestones are, probably something funky like abundance+woodsman for rushing hunter and fletching, go kandarin and just buy tons of arrow shafts/feathers from shop, get 50mil fletching while you work on hunter
analog moat
feel like they should say its a boosted lvl and not permeant lvls
thorny summit
Im debating just reloading into clues and rush through them for points to get to t8, flow state seems op but I mean, leagues xp is already cracked
small flower
feel like they should say its a boosted lvl and not permeant lvls
it's the same wording ... production prodigy? i think it was called, had, and that's the way it worked, lemme double check
thorny summit
Its a boost so you cant claim cape, its like using a pie but the boost doesn't degrade
small flower
yea, well, roughly same wording
"boosted by 10" and "boosted by +12", same deal
it's a boost, not a granted level
like a pot
analog moat
i see it does say boosted
dull imp
Im debating just reloading into clues and rush through them for points to get to...
flow state is bait
if you arent eh, reloading into eh is better
if you are eh, reloading into something youre missing is better than speeding up already easy shit
smoky raft
I'm not missing anything
small flower
then obviously you need to reload into another teleport relic
vast plover
Does anybody know if this got confirmed? As we're irons, and it says 1gp per 1 point but, is that affected by minigame point multi? So i.e, 1gp for 8 at higher tier.
smoky raft
so true
small flower
jk, as much as flow state is "bait" it's not bad, if you wanna finish out one of those skills, already have the materials to do so and just want to make it faster? completely valid choice
this is a temporary game mode after all, time is a big resource to consider
mint stone
What do you guys think for 1st go before any resets? Kandarin, Tirannwn, Desert.
For the blindbag I will aim to get 5 blades of saeldor of each color
small flower
especially if you did something like abundance, and rushed points over skilling, it'd be a decent wide-cover
that's probably good coverage all around, first 10ish points to water mage+power staff, then up to hally would make CG a breeze, then just fill out as you go
didn't even think about saeldor colors haha
ah it is heavy, neat
toxic vortex
Does anybody know if this got confirmed? As we're irons, and it says 1gp per 1 p...
This is how it was last league. It's not boosted because you aren't earning points
small flower
hadn't looked that up
formal gulch
What're the rewards for this league in the main game? 
toxic vortex
What're the rewards for this league in the main game? <:duckthink:10004406608994...
We don't know yet
formal gulch
toxic vortex
Possible maybe we see them tomorrow
small flower
SRA, trient and iban staff cosmetics
cloud basin
Guys I'm in a pickle for zone choices. Want to go wildy with a cbow kbd build with ToA in the desert. Now there is 1 region left. Asgarnia or Kandarin what fits best? Asgarnia gives fortified and pe on avernic boots but kandarin gives thermy and zenytes. Dps wise it's the same. Defensive wise asgarnia is better. But Kandarin gives me the option to still respec magic?
small flower
the lil imp override is pretty cool
vast plover
This is how it was last league. It's not boosted because you aren't earning poin...
Ah ok, i've never taken Kandarin in any league because, well, lol. But if it worked last league that sounds good tyvm
small flower
SRA looks fantastic too
small flower
agree
formal gulch
I was really hoping for that. 
I saw on reddit that the leagues release today was a total troll.
small flower
Guys I'm in a pickle for zone choices. Want to go wildy with a cbow kbd build wi...
depends if you think you'd want that respec i think, asg is definitely the "more content" choice
dull imp
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-101-11-112-113-114-122-123-1...
i doubt youll have 40 points before you want to do a respec tbh
wary egret
Guys I'm in a pickle for zone choices. Want to go wildy with a cbow kbd build wi...
Asg also has nex vambs. Not much in kand for range tbh
formal gulch
'Cuz one of the content creators in the video had 48/40 pact points.
small flower
Asg also has nex vambs. Not much in kand for range tbh
yea he figured that in, they're similar in dps upgrades
toxic vortex
I saw on reddit that the leagues release today was a total troll. <:derpcheese:9...
Not really. Task lists are always good
dull imp
Guys I'm in a pickle for zone choices. Want to go wildy with a cbow kbd build wi...
asgarnia void cuz of cbow
small flower
XD
wary egret
I feel like kandarin is only worth it for mage builds
cloud basin
Asg also has nex vambs. Not much in kand for range tbh
Anguish +5
dull imp
Anguish +5
void + bbc is crazy dps
toxic vortex
And vambraces are a pretty shit upgrade tbh
Like do they even add anything meaningful?
small flower
it's vambs+boot upgrade
cloud basin
Like do they even add anything meaningful?
Ye for 3 total range strength +2 and +1
Anguish is 5
small flower
yea, it's similar
cloud basin
Ehm void is good shout tho
small flower
not the same XD
dull imp
void in the dps calcs beats masori pretty sure
toxic vortex
Yeah void is a reason to take asg.
small flower
and not really distinct enough to go crazy over
formal gulch
I just know I want Tirannwn. 
toxic vortex
Especially if you also plan on doing culling
small flower
the (f) masori is a nice boost if you want it and yea there's always void
dull imp
but void/asg/desert pretty strong combo
tacit oyster
void in the dps calcs beats masori pretty sure
On low defence targets yes
toxic vortex
BBC on wildy bosses on task and with void would be silly
dull imp
depends on how much you want to camp crossbow or if you want other builds
small flower
that's a good point, void+cull+cbow would be amusing for boss tasks
small flower
depends on how much you want to camp crossbow or if you want other builds
this pretty much
formal gulch
Crystal blessing + shadow can be nuts too! 
small flower
kand is an instant respec to almost any mage build you might want
on the other side, since wildy anyway, you may not even carea bout shadowflame, smoke barrage with accursed scepter in wildy would truck
dull imp
On low defence targets yes
someone mathed out void being better since 10% more + pacts is more dps than flat ranged strength from masori. Like slow hitting hard weapons benefit more from accuracy nodes on the tree and the more multi from void
you have to go hard for accuracy points though if i recall
toxic vortex
I think I'll probably just end up camping a 3t bowfa
dull imp
im not 100% cuz im not going bbc, just off my memory
small flower
I feel like the purpose of going crossbow (and 2h melee too at this point) is the chance of seeing some absolutely stupid 1shot damage values
tacit oyster
Void is better on low defence targets, masori is better on very high defence targets
small flower
so i can see the draw for void
cloud basin
BBC is? The kbd weapon?
dull imp
I think I'll probably just end up camping a 3t bowfa
dps calcs doesnt even have the final bow nodes calcd lol
formal gulch
I wanna learn Doom this league.
dull imp
BBC is? The kbd weapon?
yea big black crossbow
copper gorge
depends if you think you'd want that respec i think, asg is definitely the "more...
Just know as someone who went asg two straight years some of the tasks are grindy
cloud basin
Alright lmao
toxic vortex
And you have awakened whisp
dull imp
Void is better on low defence targets, masori is better on very high defence tar...
in main game yes, in leagues i dont think so, let me plug in what i think they had
formal gulch
Wait do we get the Ava's Accumulator this league?
small flower
Just know as someone who went asg two straight years some of the tasks are grind...
yea, i did asg range uhh, 2 leagues ago? it can definitely be a bit if unlucky
cloud basin
Wait do we get the Ava's Accumulator this league? <:duckthink:100044066089940177...
Quiver...
formal gulch
Nevermind, we have quiver.
toxic vortex
Wait do we get the Ava's Accumulator this league? <:duckthink:100044066089940177...
I think it can be bought from a shop in frem?
tacit oyster
in main game yes, in leagues i dont think so, let me plug in what i think they h...
It is same in leagues just higher defensive stats as cross point
toxic vortex
Not 100% sure
copper gorge
yea, i did asg range uhh, 2 leagues ago? it can definitely be a bit if unlucky
Over 300 bandos and zammy kills to get the drops needed for their points.
formal gulch
What kinda relics do we need to cheese colosseum?
small flower
i did ok on 3 of them, but it took me like 500 kills to get the dumb cbow to drop
cloud basin
Zaryte bracers wil take a while to farm tho if unlucky lmao
toxic vortex
What kinda relics do we need to cheese colosseum? <:derpcheese:95588731674284039...
Well, flask can hit hard initially
small flower
i had the stupid nihil horn before i got the cbow
formal gulch
Can we take Minion and let our little imp solo 'em?
toxic vortex
Can't remember how much HP he has
toxic vortex
Can we take Minion and let our little imp solo 'em?
Yeah but you still have to avoid him
small flower
it was frustrating as hell
delicate plume
As someone in midgame on the main game, looking for raid experience starting with TOA.. Water mage or BBC build? I can't decide which would serve better for learning the raid and other general purpose stuff Dx
cloud basin
And ehhhh... What about BBC with the +25% cap stone on max hit? Does that work since the second one is a ice attack?
formal gulch
I'm not prepared for Colosseum without Last Stand.
small flower
And ehhhh... What about BBC with the +25% cap stone on max hit? Does that work s...
husky said it does not count for that as it's technically a range hit
same wit hthe "melee" range echoes
they're melee hits for that node
bleak depot
What is bbc build cause im genuinely confused and old and that acronym surely doesn’t mean what i think it means lol
cloud basin
husky said it does not count for that as it's technically a range hit
So i want a style switch or I just skip the node?
small flower
yea
formal gulch
BBC is Big Black Co Crossbow. 
cloud basin
Any good style switches for that? Don't think so?
bleak depot
Big black crossbow does heal from taking ice into water and rune regen doesn’t it ?
cloud basin
Don't have the pts for that as I want water to heal
dull imp
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=TaskNightChitin so like sol yea
formal gulch
I wish we got unlimited resets!! 
small flower
but you would effectively be hit swithing for guaranteed maxhits with a 25% boost every single time
tacit oyster
Air mage + crossbow works. Just a lot of switches from prayer gear to range gear
small flower
ye
small flower
though with crossbow being so slow, it wouldn't be that punishing
cloud basin
If i go air magic tho I should skip asgarnia and go kandarin...
small flower
you'd probably want kandarin if you wanted to do something like that yea
tree would change a bit too
formal gulch
The Crystal Armor gets +6% magic strength and +20 magic attack bonus with blessing.
small flower
it's 20 magic bonus per piece
so 60
if set worn
oh you mean in total
yea, since -40 base XD
dull imp
bigger max with void bbc, masori looks cooler and still does decent. Up to you
small flower
it's a solid option
bleak depot
^ they did mage dirty with Tiranwynn
cloud basin
I'm going to think about it more and just afk the first few days and let other people figure it out 😂
dull imp
not sure on ring slot either
cloud basin
bigger max with void bbc, masori looks cooler and still does decent. Up to you
Survivability not an issue?
small flower
Tir wildy Kand could definitely workf or that though
dull imp
Survivability not an issue?
youre healing a fuck ton
small flower
i'm going those regions for just pure mage
cloud basin
not sure on ring slot either
Ultor if you have desert (which I do)
small flower
but crossbow hybrid sounds like an optional respec for me
cloud basin
but crossbow hybrid sounds like an optional respec for me
So im half thinking the same but void is nice...
formal gulch
Should've been +50 magic attack per crystal armor!!
bleak depot
Yeah i made my buddy a bbc and water mage hybrid build that’s pretty decent.
small flower
yea if you wanna just launch nukes i'd say asg wins
more things to do with that as well
KTW doesn't actually have much to do
copper gorge
Im going kandarin, tir, desert
small flower
do KT bosses then go goof off in wildy
bleak depot
I’m kandarin tir and mory cause i wanna tob lol.
dull imp
Ultor if you have desert (which I do)
venator? plugged it in, https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=ButterflyBrewinPowers
the only boss i could find that masori does better is sol
formal gulch
Wait, at +50 per, 110 total, it would be more than even Ancestrals, nevermind.
winter mesa
Do KWM - get all 3 combat styles and a raid region, wouldn’t that work?
small flower
Wait, at +50 per, 110 total, it would be more than even Ancestrals, nevermind. <...
that woulda definitely been way over the top lol
copper gorge
I’m kandarin tir and mory cause i wanna tob lol.
I didnt wanna do any other part of mory other than tob
formal gulch
Should've been +30 per set!!
small flower
honestly even in autocast setup i'm at like 87 magic accuracy, it's... acceptable
bleak depot
I didnt wanna do any other part of mory other than tob
Lmfao you’re telling me I’ve been grinding pnm on the main and have gotten only parasitic eggs
small flower
yea... the side-stuff in mory is why the alt is going such low-content regions
lol
gonna try and push for as much stuff on mory melee as possible
copper gorge
Barrows isnt fun to grind nightmare is eh, ggs i feel like ive fought a thousand time this year
And i hate the quests in mory, dont wanna touch shades
bleak depot
Ggs are dogshit, the staff looks cool though it’s like a magic sunlit spear
copper gorge
Slayer tower, and slayer helm
small flower
barrows desperately needed drop protection or something, i went over 1k dry for any full set last league
bleak depot
And i hate the quests in mory, dont wanna touch shades
I feel attacked that’s my favorite questline
dull imp
Barrows isnt fun to grind nightmare is eh, ggs i feel like ive fought a thousand...
arent you also on mobile?
copper gorge
And tob really only reasons to take mory.
dull imp
barrows desperately needed drop protection or something, i went over 1k dry for ...
barrows makes evil eye look tempting
but map can do the agil shortcut right outside
and has more uses
small flower
yea
bleak depot
Wait people are actually taking alacrity ?
small flower
they did say evil gets a tele straight to chest
bleak depot
I thought that was a troll
small flower
so if you wanted to just grind one brother, eye may win
dull imp
yeah alacrity has so many tps
copper gorge
Chest and up top
small flower
alactiry does win out otherwise tho
cloud basin
venator? plugged it in, https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=ButterflyBrewinPowers
ye mb and indeed ty
small flower
and barrows is such a small part
i can't justify picking eye just for a barrow set i'll wear one time and throw in the bin
dull imp
specially if ur sitting in varlamore for a long ass time like i am
copper gorge
so if you wanted to just grind one brother, eye may win
Yeah but you get ass drop rate
cloud basin
looks like im just going asgarnia desert wildy
bleak depot
I’m going mory tir and kandarin and i can’t imagine alacrity doing anything for me
small flower
Yeah but you get ass drop rate
yep
cloud basin
is there any benefit in having a zaryte cbow alongside a bbc or just no?
small flower
looks like im just going asgarnia desert wildy
should be fun 😄
uhh, not really?
they're the same speed
copper gorge
I was stupid dry on all drop rate on everything last league
bleak depot
It has a spec lol
dull imp
is there any benefit in having a zaryte cbow alongside a bbc or just no?
spec dump
small flower
bolt proc spec dump ig uess
cloud basin
but is the spec even a dps increase?
small flower
but what do you even wanna use bolt procs for
dull imp
yea rubys slap
cloud basin
i mean healing perhaps... rubies are capped at 110 no? Dont i just hit harder normally with the +70%?
bleak depot
They may uncap it
bleak depot
Sapphires heal prayer lol
cloud basin
oeh okay
dull imp
id get it eventually
no need to rush it
youll be nuking with the bbc anyways
and healing every time you shoot
cloud basin
good to know
good shouts on ZCB, havent played in a long time. Still keep up to date with the game tho
small flower
still be doing nex for the vambs anyway, so you can always play around with it
and odium ward is a solid shield for it
bleak depot
Oh fair point
small flower
can decide yourself with nothing to lose
bleak depot
Forgot about those shields
cloud basin
watch me get full torva before the vambs and zcb
small flower
ye, great early to mid game range/mage offhands
bleak depot
Das my buddy is going wildy desert and mory for full torva with drygore max accuracy
small flower
watch me get full torva before the vambs and zcb
XD i've somehow gotten the nihil before vambs or any torva piece every league so far
bleak depot
There’s a perk to increase ranged strength by 80 percent of melee strength lol
small flower
throw/melee hybrid does sound pretty fun
cloud basin
last leagues i went mage, i had 5 eternal gems and 0 hearts... broke my non existant heart
small flower
i wish they made tonalztics a proper dps option though
i love the things
but they so bad
bleak depot
Perma we waiting on that for main game too lmao
bleak depot
What is my purpose ? Uhhh you spec maiden and sit in the inventory for the rest of the raid
small flower
and never even see the light of day anywhere else
bleak depot
They are actually good for large scale olm though
bleak depot
Yeah, damn shame.
small flower
I am so ready to start mage off with blue moon
cloud basin
asgarnia wildy desert unlock order would most likely be argarnia or wildy first right? I guess Asgarnia?
bleak depot
Oh dude I’m going straight mage all the way this league idc if I’m gonna have a 10 min sol, i will dodge like a mfer
small flower
lol
small flower
asgarnia wildy desert unlock order would most likely be argarnia or wildy first ...
desert wouldn't be bad with tempoross and GoTR tbh
bleak depot
You doing ancients mage or surge ?
small flower
but equipment wise, probably asgarnia yea
then wildy finish with desert if you're just gonna push by doing combat
kree with a sunlight crossbow would probably be a hell of an easy start
bleak depot
Void and chins too
small flower
well, "start" likeyl want T4 before erally going for the loot grinds
but that should be early enough, especially if you grind out the sunlight
yea, void for sure
void sunlight with a crossbow tree probably gonna melt gwd
cloud basin
desert wouldn't be bad with tempoross and GoTR tbh
im still doubting about T8 relic the rest ive got figured out now. Any inputs (also regarding 'my' build)
bleak depot
Send me your build ?
small flower
im still doubting about T8 relic the rest ive got figured out now. Any inputs (a...
minon will be easy to upgrade in wildy ,and is a good steady dps
it'll also be nice since you'll be using a slower weapon
having faster damage ticks going off from him
copper gorge
You doing ancients mage or surge ?
Both depends on need.
small flower
executioner axe is 100% up to you, i never like the thing
so i'm biased against it
and flask is ... meh, idk, if you think you need it go for it?
bleak depot
T8 is like minion for steady dps, throw axe for mvp on normal raids and flask seems like a noob trap
Just send to me on discord personally
small flower
one thing to note though
bleak depot
^
bleak depot
What’s the deal with flask regen ?
small flower
10+ damage hits reduce it by a tick, and it stacks (do a 40, reduce by 4 ticks)
cloud basin
loses a tick of cd per 10 hit
small flower
so crossbow probably hitting 100+ damage every 5 ticks, is 6 second reduced cooldown every hit
it's still a 3 minute cd though, so it's not like it'd be that fast
bleak depot
Yah but flash is still a long cd where minion has constant uptime and picks shit up for you
cloud basin
and idk the use honeslty besides massive AoE, dont need the spec or the heal
bleak depot
And I’m lazy
small flower
yep, minion is looking like a very friendly pick
he picks up noted stuff like bones too, if you go transmute that's easy 50mil prayer
copper gorge
Minion the play
bleak depot
Honestly want minion more for the pick up than for the damage lol
bleak depot
I am also taking transmute lol. Don’t know what i wanna reload though.
copper gorge
Sustinence and culling apree
bleak depot
Sustenance ? wtf is that lol
small flower
infinite food
bleak depot
Yeah i had it last league i think
copper gorge
That was bankers not
bleak depot
Wasn’t a fan but it was cool for megascales
small flower
little better now, better than gridmaster too
since you can use it with karambwan+angler
copper gorge
So you can have a single shark and karam and forever food
small flower
^
bleak depot
That’s actually neat
small flower
if transmute you dont need zeah for anglers, so you get some pretty good use out of it
copper gorge
Ez inferno, ez colo
cloud basin
isnt the perma food just giga bait?
bleak depot
I didn’t think about that. One guthix rest and just infinite tick eats
cloud basin
i have a bbc i heal more than i do whilst eating
copper gorge
Until you cant hit.
small flower
do not take that
bleak depot
The only relic I’m actually hating on this league is barb gathering i just think it’s kinda goofy
cloud basin
i roll double accuracy with the crossbow...
small flower
just pick something you feel you're lacking on for skill levels or something
or grimoire for rigour? XD
copper gorge
And only heal off one hit
cloud basin
grimoire for rigor indeed and culing spree
bleak depot
Perma are you secretly reading my builds lol
small flower
ye that's probably the way to go
i mean it's a pretty small tree, there's only so many ways to really build 😛
bleak depot
:p that being said
Buddy of mine said he wanted to go natures recurve but now pacts seems crazy underwhelming no?
small flower
bow looks fine
tranquil pond
i mean it's a pretty small tree, there's only so many ways to really build 😛
far more variety than previous leagues from what i've seen about them
small flower
the biggest iffy bit with them is the power being tied to praying right
bleak depot
Also is range the only combat that can’t benefit from the overheal nodes or am i reading incorrectly ?
small flower
if he's good with pray switching, or wants to learn to get good with it, it's probably a good pick
as it would incentivise getting better
cloud basin
no? You gain 1 ranged str per 10 diff of your max hp (works for overhealing too)
bleak depot
Wouldn’t that be just dh bombing with a bow ? Or am i too tired to read
small flower
you can technically grab the "gain 2 hp and 2 prayer when being hit for 0" node as any combat style
it's distance from max hp
so overheal also counts
188/99 would e 8 range str
bleak depot
So that’s what 8 range
cloud basin
Wouldn’t that be just dh bombing with a bow ? Or am i too tired to read
no if you are 150 hp you gain 5 range str
bleak depot
Yeah
small flower
so if you're bow, and good with pray switches, you get the damage bonuses from the master nodes, as well as the overheal boost
bleak depot
Nah i just think that’s a waste for like 8 range strength ain’t that like +2 or does it scale ?
small flower
(assuming being hit for 0 while praying vs a hit counts for the heal)
i mean for 1 point it's good
not going out of your way on the tree
vast plover
I'm guessing not but, anybody in here planning the 200m all?
small flower
unless you mean all the overheal in general
cloud basin
imma leave for a bit thx for the talk guys, ttyl 🙂
small flower
later
bleak depot
I mean getting hit 0s 2hp at a time is a long way up if you’re takin all three nodes
small flower
I'm guessing not but, anybody in here planning the 200m all?
like just to do it? there's no task for it
bleak depot
Guess it does prayer as well but
small flower
yea, the range one does count the other way too though, so if you're hurtin it's a minor damage boost as well
it's probably still more value than a regular +1% range damage node
bleak depot
I’m just honestly disappointed with the range echoes besides the bbc. Feel like that’s jagex being lazy.
small flower
bow feels ok, i'm not gonna diss any speed bonus
thrown feels lackluster as hell though
kinda cool as a hybrid choice for melee tank sure
it's like they figure last league dart tank was brokenly OP so this time it has to be the bottom choice? :/
bleak depot
If you specced into dragon thrown knives and max resource regen with max echoes and just be speccin all the time that could be cool but that forces zeah
Yeah the infamous “range hits never miss”
Meanwhile melee was fucking crazy with scythe and the 8 echoes coming out that was mad cool
small flower
honestly as long as there's no goof like the slayer relic last league it all looks great
bleak depot
I didn’t get to mage yet for leagues this will be my first one
small flower
just varying levels of great
bleak depot
Farming relic looks appealing as hell with them adding the mushroom
Not instafarm though, i had that that league that was cracked
I spent 3 hours in the farming guild just planting shit
small flower
interesting that they nerfed the farming one but not forager
though i guess farming is more side-grade since it's 2 relics in 1
idk
bleak depot
See but for me in particular this league i wouldn’t take forager because our first node is gonna boost me the same as an imbued heart even if i had access to ancient brews so like…. Fuck herb imma just smuggle pots out of tob like i do on main game lol
Yeah there’s herb tasks but woodsman provides seeds
Which makes me rethink natures accord lol
bleak depot
True i am goin transmute anyway for prayer and the other shit
copper gorge
I am not going farm relic
bleak depot
Same i think i have the pick larcenist
copper gorge
I just dont think its necessary. Ill get plenty of herbs
bleak depot
What’s the other choice again
The slaying one
?
It’s not even like you’re constantly on task like last league lol and i have to do slayer anyway
copper gorge
Soul harvest other t5
bleak depot
Why soul harvest ?
bleak depot
Oh i didn’t know people actually going for 50m that sounds insane but im sure there’s people out there willing to do 200m all
copper gorge
Big task points
copper gorge
If youre going 200m all you gotta be going flow state no?
200m hunter gunna be aids
dull imp
If youre going 200m all you gotta be going flow state no?
probably not lol
vast plover
No flow state is bait sadly. The maths just doesn't maths.
bleak depot
I don’t think so? Flow state is slower than sweaty methods
dull imp
200m hunter gunna be aids
not really, x32 is 5m xp an hour off purely the rumors
or i can do fletching
0 time
rumors are my chill watch a show activity though so
and i actually like moonlight antelopes as content
copper gorge
So 40 hours of hunter rumors?
bleak depot
Woodsman is gonna be crazy early points with fletching
dull imp
So 40 hours of hunter rumors?
this doesnt add in x32 on the antelopes
which is hard to calc
but each antelope is 14k at x16
15 per rumor if you go worst case dry
100% faster pitfall speed
and you can keep all of them trapped
ill test it out to 50m and if it sucks swap to fletching
copper gorge
Im just gunna do larc and get thieving
dull imp
but 200m hunter is 50m prayer in blessed shards and like 11m raw cash
copper gorge
True
But im gunna have plenty of bones to transmute
Wines im gunna have to figure out
dull imp
899 rumors at x16 from 99 -200m
and each master rumor can be done in about 1 minute
since you arent leaving the basement
and it always antelope
so 200m in roughly 15 hours
vast plover
can you force that with all 3 regions
grizzled adder
does reverse transmute on air runes give you noted or unnoted p ess?
vast plover
noted
copper gorge
does reverse transmute on air runes give you noted or unnoted p ess?
I swear its the most asked question in here
grizzled adder
damn thats a major L for transmute
are any high level altars right next to someone you can sell to and unnote
copper gorge
Kandarin has zmi
grizzled adder
they are really gonna make us take kandarin haha
told myself i had inflated my last toad ever but maybe not
wispy zinc
i know we are getting abyss access, but does that somehow include abyss runecrafting>?
copper gorge
Wildy only
dull imp
i thought we had abyss for rc? since everyone gets abyss?
lapis flax
the only way to get to the rc abyss place is through the wildy mage right?
plain glacier
and u dont have edge
lapis flax
there are other abyss areas accessible through fairy rings, those are what you have access to
plain glacier
can get a whip there
what is the likelyhood that some fo the splash nodes would work if u aggro a abyssal creature and then attack a leech next to it and splash dmg and get whip without slayer
or thorns etc
lapis flax
does that work with things like baraage in the main game?
dull imp
heres what 200m rumors gets you at only 899 rumors needed for 200m starting level 99 - 200m
lapis flax
it probably wont work with thorns or split attackjs then
unique cedar
do we have a start time?
dull imp
so 200m hunter solves hunter 50m, prayer almost to 50m, herblore halfway to 50m, fletching (kekw) cooking(50m) and half of 99 con
lapis flax
do we have a start time?
not time just day
unique cedar
gosh
dull imp
man im loving the 200m hunter idea looking at how good the rumors loot is going to be
for not that much time investment
signal summit
Have they shown what the Demonic Pact trophies look like by chance?
dull imp
and solves my herblore
small flower
would probably plan on more time spent doing hunter than otherwise with how strong sunlight cbow would be for a starter weapon, probably quite a lot of people gonna go for that
dull imp
yeah sunlight crossbow go brr
small flower
not just the early birbs
dull imp
and the bolts are super easy to get
small flower
yea
dull imp
and rumors is easy early cash
dull imp
like woodsman + varlamore is a goated start
old tapir
it seems like the dps calc gets a bit confused about ice barrage
small flower
how so?
old tapir
wanted to compare water surge ancestral to ice barrage virtus, the latter should obviously be stronger right
small flower
depends? shadowflame gives water surge a 40% straight dps boost
old tapir
ice counts as water though
small flower
shadowflame gives standard spellbook the extra hit
old tapir
aaahhh
small flower
your ice barrage is still not a standard spell
old tapir
that's dumb
small flower
i mean it's an AoE option still
aoe vs single basically
wel,l aoe+freeze
a closer comparison for actual numbers might be accursed scept in wildy with ice barrage vs shadowflame water surge... anywhere
as far as damage potential goes
old tapir
hmmmm
that does put a bit of a dampener on desert as one of my picks
but there's really no good options
small flower
outside of the wildy thing, ancients are going to be more utility over damage this league
and surge's gonna be nutty damage
old tapir
i don't want mory and wildy
i'm picking kourend and kandarin
asgarnia is lame
tirannwn kinda has nothing for me because i'm not using crystal armor or picking the thieving relic
so its really desert or fremmy
what does a humble water mage want more
astral sigil
i don't want mory and wildy
i'm picking kourend and kandarin
asgarnia is lame
ti...
I'm wondering the same for a third region. Kandarin seems like a must for mage builds. Kourend just feels right
old tapir
astral sigil
Maybe I'll go wildy again 🤣
small flower
all other things being equal, water surge does still win out
and even more so outside of the wildy
old tapir
what the heck are those numbers
lapis flax
max hit, expected hit, damage per second, average time to kill, accuracy
old tapir
not like that
lapis flax
and the mob tested is chaos elemental
old tapir
where's the 50 dps coming from
lapis flax
idk what gear hes got
lapis flax
where's the 28 coming from then
accuracy times expected hit divided by tick rate of attack
astral sigil
That scritics vid?
small flower
that was full virtus+occult, confliction/avernics and wildy cape, then just swapping virtus for ancestral and the accursed scepter for shadowflame, same tree
old tapir
build on my end is 23 so i must be doing something wrong
lapis flax
^
small flower
i also had slay task checked, which may or may not count, but i was just going for a theoretical maxhit there
old tapir
saturated heart might be nice to have
old tapir
hmmm
small flower
i guess not right at the start of a fight, but for the vast majority of one
saturated would be like another +3 mage
funny thing with the devils element+shadowflame combo
the higher the mobs general weakness is, the better the damage XD
so chaos ele having a higher general weakness, still doing less damage than on zuk with his 40% water weak
112 maxhit on zuk
wispy zinc
tier 5 still crazy man guess reloading that
runic cave
here is a build I havent seen anyone talking about. The idea is you go fremmy desert, and get virtus, magus ring, shadow sceptre. max defence afk shadow mage. hitting through everything with stat drain and prayer pen
small flower
have been heavily considerin earth instead of air
but if i wanna do it like that i need like... KFA or something?
which i dont wanna do
but yea, was lookin at shadow barrage, looks real fun with the major stat drains
runic cave
My main will be melee and alt mage. But i may go DFM for the mage. either go burning blood mage with bloodbark. or shadow mage
small flower
tried poking around and figuring a bloodfire mage i'd like but just didn't get it
if the fire bounce for blood barrage counts the aoe in every bounce tho that'd be hilarious for AoE
old tapir
earth feels like they looked at rs3 cryptbloom and wanted to 1up it
small flower
hah
old tapir
and thne you throw thorns in the mix and it just goes crazy
small flower
yea, earth looks like a really nice tank option
runic cave
I like to build off the beaten path for my alt. I think an ancient mage build would be really sick
old tapir
cryptbloom is actually really weird because you don't even use shadow spells even though it makes you take less damage on paper
blood barrage sustain too good to pass up
small flower
I like to build off the beaten path for my alt. I think an ancient mage build wo...
is the main reason i ended up deciding on wildy for my mage, just because smoke barrage has wild potential in wildy
old tapir
read the 3 piece bonus https://i.imgur.com/PN8iIrL.png
shadow counts as earth by default in rs3 by the way
even with that, blood barrage is still better
its so funny
runic cave
is the main reason i ended up deciding on wildy for my mage, just because smoke ...
how do you figure?
small flower
smoke gets regen bonus from fire runes
runic cave
read the 3 piece bonus https://i.imgur.com/PN8iIrL.png
idk much about rs3. but shadow tank sounds cool
small flower
so extra damage bonus from that
plus the accursed scepter
should see some 125+'s on some of the wildy bosses
well.. not "some", constant 125+'s
old tapir
you'll be the first person to have ever cast smoke barrage if you do that
ember thorn
Anyone know what time on Wednesday that leagues worlds will be up?
runic cave
som1 judge my blindbad build :)
pretty cool. I havent been building all the way out personally. I look at 8/10/22 point builds
small flower
planning on having blowpipe swap occasionally? or what
runic cave
som1 judge my blindbad build :)
my blindbag build is gonna be WZM. and im gonna hunt the spider pets
old tapir
going from air to fire in the pacts also feels wasteful somehow
like i'm looking at the connections and going 2 capstones over is awful
small flower
my blindbag build is gonna be WZM. and im gonna hunt the spider pets
goals! sounds fun
pulsar wigeon
Permachill are you a real person you’re always here haha
wispy zinc
full 40 maybe much yeah, but i know order mostly to get
small flower
full 40 maybe much yeah, but i know order mostly to get
if you're not planning on having blowpipe for swap or something the thrown capstones don't actualyl do anything for the melee ranged echoes (nor the ranged str with thrown weapon)
wispy zinc
gonno have blowpipe cus tir yea
lapis flax
probably for chinning
wispy zinc
also chinning
small flower
fair
lapis flax
at first thats what i did in my blindbag build too
but i decided to go for more melee options instead of deeper into the ranged tree
small flower
somewhat same here, though I did keep the power staff perks
lapis flax
wispy zinc
1tick staff for low investment is funny lol
wispy zinc
also crystal armour will buff it
small flower
^
small flower
if i switch points around for any range weapon i'd probably just go for bow speed
similar reasons, if i'm in crystal anyway
wispy zinc
wonder if im making mistake by not taking any prayer pen
small flower
why not just use bowfa for swap
pulsar wigeon
What’s Tiranwann good for? Don’t see the appeal
lapis flax
wonder if im making mistake by not taking any prayer pen
naw dont really need it
nothings praying melee anyway
small flower
crystal armor gives its set bonus to all melee weapons, and to power staves
lapis flax
well you taking kourend actually
small flower
it also gets 2% magic damage and +20 magic acc per piece with blessing on (for total of +20 instead of -40)
lapis flax
idk if olm mage hand and head are praying or just dmg reduction or high defense
small flower
i think i'll go pray pen for mid game and respec out of it later
wispy zinc
saw something saying it may be +40 per piece?
small flower
for both hunlef and the gorillas
lapis flax
saw something saying it may be +40 per piece?
its 20
small flower
saw something saying it may be +40 per piece?
i thinkt hey were just talkin about how it'd be nice if it was
astral sigil
What’s Tiranwann good for? Don’t see the appeal
Crystal armour
wispy zinc
ah ohwell
lapis flax
for both hunlef and the gorillas
true gorrilla
small flower
zenyte grind with prayer pen is so , so much more relaxing
lapis flax
zenytes are affected by the 5x right?
small flower
yea
lapis flax
only a 1 in 60 then
tranquil pond
Crystal armour
definitely, prif has basically nothing if not for the echo
most of the stuff specifically from prif also requires other zones
lapis flax
althought my build doesnt even use zenytes so i dont need any except for the task
small flower
it's almost entirely if you ilke CG, or wanna push a few specific builds to higher damage
lapis flax
just need the 1
wispy zinc
i need to buff blindbag lol
small flower
(or really really wana get smithing and not do blast furnace or something)
tranquil pond
(or really really wana get smithing and not do blast furnace or something)
hotfoot gonna carry me on that
wispy zinc
taking larceny is hella justified if u taking mory and tir
small flower
for sure
wispy zinc
i need to reload to tier 5 tho cus soulharvest is like only RC solve that doesnt involve running
tranquil pond
taking larceny is hella justified if u taking mory and tir
larcenist is already really good, having elves and vampyres makes it basically a no-brainer to take
small flower
yea, gotta grind RC a bit, but i can live with that in mory
tranquil pond
huh, was just thinking about tools and realized, most regions don't have access to dragon tools
small flower
barb does fix that 😄
cloud basin
bigger max with void bbc, masori looks cooler and still does decent. Up to you
Ehm was double checking, it had elite void not normal. With normal it seems same ish (but slightly worse Def)
tranquil pond
luckily i can get pick from calphite queen and axe from windertodt with my regions
small flower
although flow state technically fixes that too
tranquil pond
but that was a fluke, i wasn't even thinking about it
small flower
but i think base crystal + 50% on fail is better than 2t
wispy zinc
im still unsure between bell and transmute
tranquil pond
although flow state technically fixes that too
idk, i'd rather go with barb than flowstate tbh
small flower
yep
wispy zinc
apparently bell gives u fletching exp not con
small flower
?
tranquil pond
apparently bell gives u fletching exp not con
making planks?
cloud basin
apparently bell gives u fletching exp not con
Yeah but fetch is hella easy
And yes planks is fetching xp
small flower
that's bizarre
wispy zinc
yeah fletch is easy i want it to do con exp lol
dull imp
Ehm was double checking, it had elite void not normal. With normal it seems same...
Ah yup good catch
tranquil pond
oh, sure enough, the wiki says fletching xp for planks
lapis flax
wispy zinc
so i kinda have all the exp gains from bell solved
small flower
that was probably the only reason i had left for considering it
cloud basin
Ah yup good catch
Still tho you made up my mind for asgarnia 🙂
lapis flax
why would that be fletching
why would it be construction, making planks in main game doesnt give construction
small flower
i mean it's still con xp from getting the planks to use i guess
lapis flax
doesnt give fletching either tbf
tranquil pond
honestly that's tolerable because at least it makes planks that help with construction
small flower
well it doesn't give anyx p at all XD
lapis flax
exactly
wispy zinc
i mean it doesnt give exp at all
small flower
ye
cloud basin
Altho prayer pen for ToA would be cool but should just work out anyway
tranquil pond
it implies that the butler doesn't take the logs to a sawmill
lapis flax
you arent building anything when you are making planks though fletching makes more sense
tranquil pond
he hand fletches them into planks
small flower
Altho prayer pen for ToA would be cool but should just work out anyway
prayer pen definitely a solid boon for toa yea
cloud basin
Currently I think I have 15% but idk how to up it yet
small flower
you arent building anything when you are making planks though fletching makes mo...
but you do gain construction xp when you make stuff with a saw!
cloud basin
I mean spent more points Hurdur but what to cut 😂
lapis flax
yeah buit making planks is like shaping wood which is definitively fletching (in this game)
small flower
arguing about the real important issues here
cloud basin
But ill likely run DUOs with a friend who is mage
tranquil pond
honestly, i'm fine with butler giving fletch xp, it lets me ignore fletching
wispy zinc
i was taking woodsman
tranquil pond
ah
small flower
fair enough, if not doing woodsman being ablet o ignore it is nice
though it's never been a particularly grindy skill
lapis flax
im just taking transmute, seems like a better solve for most things, but bell is a must take like endless harvest for people who cant play much
wispy zinc
what does transmute solve again?
lapis flax
what does transmute solve again?
basically everything
small flower
wrath runes, tokkul(onyx's) crafting, prayer
having ultra compost if you dont take the farming relic
alawys having magic seeds
tranquil pond
what does transmute solve again?
it does almost everything, but specialized relics are still better solves for their respected skill
small flower
always having highest herb seed, always having snape seeds
lapis flax
yea
small flower
if you're mory it gives you redwood pyre logs
cash in iron to runite ore
extended antifires if you're not fremm
anglers if you'er not zeah
it does a lot
lapis flax
its like 70% of the way there for almost every skill, but other relics that focus in on less skills are like 120% of the way there
wispy zinc
yeah the seed transmute will be nice
tranquil pond
the only skill transmute would help me on with my setup is farming
lapis flax
its a catch all
wispy zinc
ill proly do this then
small flower
yea if it doesn't really help with anything you need, clues is probably a solid general pick
lapis flax
grimoire over culling
small flower
especially if you just dont like doing clues, and you wanna get the points from 100/75 caskets
tranquil pond
ill proly do this then
whatcha getting grimoire for?
wispy zinc
im not taking kanderin i need piety for melee build
tranquil pond
ah
small flower
eh, not in raids
tranquil pond
culling is more dps than peity
only if on task though
wispy zinc
against slayer specfically i guess
wispy zinc
also i get slayer helm with mory anyway
lapis flax
against slayer specfically i guess
culling lets you more or less chose your task
tranquil pond
if they're melee, they're probably mory/prif
small flower
but yea i get the point of not bothering with cull
wispy zinc
meh
lapis flax
culling lets you wear crystal helm
small flower
but cull+crystal armor+piety on task will be fun
for the bosses taht it does work on
wispy zinc
grim lets me avoid whole area
tranquil pond
grim lets me avoid whole area
what's your 3rd region
lapis flax
crystal helm plus task is significantly better than peity, but again if your main focus is tob then it doesnt do anythign there
tranquil pond
the one you're getting from skipping kandarin
wispy zinc
was thinking kourend, if only cus its yama league
tranquil pond
fair
tranquil pond
mory/prif also lets you pivot into a thorns build late game if you wanna try it
small flower
yea kourend was tempting just for the league theme, and fero gloves would actually help damage
wispy zinc
^^
small flower
but i dont wanna do both raids
tranquil pond
yea kourend was tempting just for the league theme, and fero gloves would actual...
i'm SO glad confliction are in varlamore
wispy zinc
u can do like bajilion people cox tho right?
small flower
yea, varlamore is a huge start area
wispy zinc
and every1 gets purple
tranquil pond
yea, varlamore is a *huge* start area
i feel like i've been sleeping on varlamore's power until this league
it has so much good stuff
small flower
it's genuinely a massively strong start zone
lapis flax
varla is kinda a crazy area, i dont even have it unlocked on my main 🤣
small flower
the moon sets are huge
doom gets universally bis boots and those dumb gloves that just fix mage
tranquil pond
the moon sets are huge
i'm probably gonna be rocking a blue moon spear until i can get myself a dragon hunter wand
tranquil pond
nah, dragon hunter wand being a 1h and just having better stats
stiff hinge
i don't trust the blue moon spear shills
small flower
XD
tranquil pond
i'll probably use that wand until i get myself the quadrant
stiff hinge
it requires you 1) do a melee boss, and 2) be in melee range
wispy zinc
also we getting 5x slayer points, task canceling made easy
small flower
you can be at hally range!
stiff hinge
why would i do that when i could just pick up a water staff
and hit shit from the next county over
tranquil pond
it requires you 1) do a melee boss, and 2) be in melee range
yeah, that's my main issue, doing moons as mage seems rough
small flower
well you start with the melee part of the tree
tranquil pond
if i can skip straight to dragon hunter wand, that'd be preferred
small flower
grab a steel hally from shop
tranquil pond
well you start with the melee part of the tree
i dun wanna
stiff hinge
^
small flower
🙁
stiff hinge
why would i take melee pacts when i'm not going to do melee
small flower
i'm embracing the respecs
small flower
it's technically a mage still
stiff hinge
it's what i do
tranquil pond
i'm the same when i play path of exile, i don't use a "leveling build" i just play my jank ass build in the campaign until it fully functions
small flower
you just hit things with your staff too
wispy zinc
i dont wanna plan to respec until i got a respec kinda lol
stiff hinge
based self-hatred enjoyer
also yeah it means you have to do an echo boss with the wrong style like
come on dude get outta here with that wack shit
small flower
if it's for a joke build like blue moon i'll embrace the wack
and then move on back to "proper" mage
in b4 meta mage is blue moon with scythe bag
tranquil pond
was crystal halerb
prif + kand
small flower
sadly
stiff hinge
in b4 meta mage is blue moon with scythe bag
that would be so fucked up
small flower
it's a weirdly mid weapon to be forced into 2 areas for
wispy zinc
oof
tranquil pond
it's a weirdly mid weapon to be forced into 2 areas for
it'd be religated to blindbag for pretty much everyone using it anyways
stiff hinge
it's the best spec weapon for very specific content that you probably won't have !!
tranquil pond
at best, it'd be someone's noxious hally before they have a hally
small flower
it'd be religated to blindbag for pretty much everyone using it anyways
yea, it's a joke, but i will in fact be starting with it for funsies
tranquil pond
yea, it's a joke, but i will in fact be starting with it for funsies
if i was going melee i'd probably be doing mory + tir + kand
wispy zinc
at best, it'd be someone's noxious hally before they have a hally
i was thinking that and thats why i asked lol
small flower
MT+anything would be quite strong for melee yea
tranquil pond
i can't imagine anyone doing melee will go anything other than mory + tir
uneven loom
Why do I wanna Rc this league
small flower
asg gets me some gear swap options for just messing around, and I always like donig nex
so i figure that's my jam
tranquil pond
Why do I wanna Rc this league
for me, wrath runes because it's my only source
tranquil pond
i'm picking up soul harvest with reloaded
wispy zinc
^^^^
tranquil pond
so that's my RC plan
uneven loom
Money is an issue this league?
small flower
nah
uneven loom
No golden god
wispy zinc
ngl i havnt thgt about gp
small flower
well, i guess you could probably find yourself a path that has trouble with it
tranquil pond
Money is an issue this league?
you'd have to have a very specific setup to have issues with money
larcenist or transmute both solve money
small flower
but abundance covers money, butler covers money, transmute covers money, hotfoot helps with money, larcenist is larcenist
remote cove
hello friends, just got back my old account, forgot the bank pin (already did the forgot pin, but that takes 3 days!) would it impact my ability to use bank in leagues?
small flower
hello friends, just got back my old account, forgot the bank pin (already did th...
it's seperate
uneven loom
true, abundance
I was thinking construction and mahogany logs
wispy zinc
meme choice
uneven loom
It’s expensive no?
remote cove
it's seperate
huge! thank you
small flower
the count guy kept bothering me about it and i just refused to set pin in leagues last time
lol
stiff hinge
abundance is very strong for some skills
i have a friend who thinks it's great, i'm not personally sold
tranquil pond
It’s expensive no?
yeah, but butler should help with supplementing planks, transmute can print rune ore, larcenist does everything, abundance gives you money for doing literally anything
small flower
2x the xp you gain EVER is given as coin
so...
you'll have whatever money you need
stiff hinge
i mean yeah it shits out infinite money forever sure, but i meant as an EXP tool
tranquil pond
i have a friend who thinks it's great, i'm not personally sold
i think it's best for people that are rushing to complete(?)
tranquil pond
dunno what the term is
stiff hinge
depending on how it works it could be a huge buff for... rc, herb, agi, fletching, and combat
and maybe some other stuff
tranquil pond
i mean yeah it shits out infinite money forever sure, but i meant as an EXP tool
honestly, the permanent +10 boost lets you probably complete so many tasks early
stiff hinge
consider that it's per drop, so if it multiplies properly, doing controlled melee gives you +192 total exp per hit on top of what you get from actually dealing damage
128 if it doesn't respect the 1.5x combat exp
small flower
abundance+flow state is probably a decent option, the bonus xp for every action would speed up everything there
tho i guess you'd have to plan your way to t7 rushing everything that isn't those skills
if you wanted to make the most of it
cloud basin
Ah yup good catch
One more critical question I'd be skipping kandarin however isn't kandarin better with normal masori, because there is the 10% bolt spec chance increase from the diary... Idk how that stacks up with a zcb... Or even with the BBC shooting twice
stiff hinge
like, i don't agree that it's worth it myself compared to EH, but i can see the logic
dull imp
One more critical question I'd be skipping kandarin however isn't kandarin bette...
2% dps, not worth
cloud basin
Only 2% hmm alright
small flower
One more critical question I'd be skipping kandarin however isn't kandarin bette...
it's 10% multiplicative, so that 11% onyx goes to 12.1%
it's not a big deal
cloud basin
Ah yes ok
small flower
as far as how KCB interacts with (e) bolts idk
i would guess it triggers first then gets split
cloud basin
I want two procs 🙁 but ye
small flower
since the weapon does 1 hit and halves it
cloud basin
Should still result in the same
small flower
if it was actually a double attack like dark bow it mighta done 2
wait, dark bow is actually a double yea?
stiff hinge
oh huh, larcenist makes stealing valuables give 550gp every other tick
that's pretty fast
small flower
not just a fake multihit like macas 🙁
cloud basin
wait, dark bow is actually a double yea?
I don't know honestly
stiff hinge
yeah dark bow actually attacks twice with separate accuracy and damage
small flower
mk
stiff hinge
so it's effectively a not-very-good 4t weapon instead of an awful 8t weapon like it seems at first glance
small flower
if it wasn't 8 freaking ticks for dark bow i'd almost wanna try that out, -1t is not enough
naive needle
I think i'm going to end up picking clue relic
cloud basin
Now im curious as to what the BBC does
small flower
it figures max damage first then splits, then applies water mods to the second hit
so it's all scaled from ranged stats, plus the water pacts
for the other half
cloud basin
I mean you can code that differently still but this is a (logical) way
stiff hinge
i like how all of the good names for king's barrage are already taken
small flower
lol
stiff hinge
kcb is karil's and barraging is ancients
small flower
bbc is gonna stick
stiff hinge
so you're left with a shitty joke that this server's autobot prevents me from describing
small flower
I still wanna know how the melee pact for ranged echoes interacts with multi-hit weapons :/ i'm still gonna follow through with my plan but i'm also gonna assume it just won't work how i want
cloud basin
And im also curious as to how to regen prayer with the BBC build
Since I don't regenerate air runes
naive needle
am i shooting myself in the foot by going halberd pacts without picking Tirannwn? I'm hoping I can skip straight to noxious halberd
small flower
you'll be fine yea
you do get steel hally in varlamore shop
so you start with "something"
just expect to not use a hally for a while in between lol
although honestly steel hally with +21 minimum damage is nothing to sneeze at
naive needle
I think it will be hard to keep that distance with a lot of bosses though
small flower
yea most of them will chase you in some way
even kree sorta wanders over to you
oh, spiritual warriors drop rune hallies
i guess you've got a minor upgrade of an option if you're asg or wildy
or get lucky with a master clue
nvm, if you go conniving clues it's probably pretty likely you get a dragon hally there
whether you can wear it or not idk
naive needle
Im guessing I wont be able to use a dragon hally from a clue reward without picking Tirannwn?
small flower
yea i dont think any other regions autocomplete regicide anyway
naive needle
due to the quest requirement
stiff hinge
yep, tirannwn only
small flower
so asg/wildy for a rune hally, then a big long stretch to nox
or just steel to the end if neither of those
probably just wear whatever 2h heavies and do general blindbag until you get to nox and pick up the last few pacts for hally range
slim shadow
If you’re going melee you’ll likely be going Tiran, you can get a rune hally from CG while you do that grind
small flower
he was specifically asking about not doing tirr
stiff hinge
the context was somebody asking about going halberds WITHOUT T
small flower
MZA or something would leave you with a pretty nice endgame setup for a nox hally, just would take a lot to get there
would give you quite a lot to do in the meantime too
if i wasn't so negative about cox i'd probably be doing that
slim shadow
The only real way I could see melee without T being super successful would be like a blind bag/thrown cross build where ranged str was increased by melee str.
small flower
crystal does just do more, period, but i you wanna do a sort of tank hybrid torva isn't far behind on damage, and has substantially higher defenses
it's a difference of like 2 dps
🤷 not really all that much to worry about
slim shadow
I don’t think it’s how good it is for melee that makes it so strong. It’s the ability to use other styles and not switch gear. Melee is strong almost everywhere, but in the few places it’s not you can bring a 3-4 way switch and be max dps with another style.
But that’s the beauty of leaves, you can play it however your heart desires
small flower
eh, i mean I agree, but i can see why someone would choose to skip it
if you're just looking at pure melee
and just wanna do pure melee
slim shadow
Same. I don’t really love the area, but it’s hard to pass up an easily obtainable BiS tri-brid gear haha
small flower
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=FortuneCrierSkavid the defense difference is pretty major, and the dps loss isn't so bad
wary egret
I feel like that’s what respecs are for lol. Respec to Hally once you get Hally
slim shadow
Defence won’t matter tho tbh. There’s so much healing across the board
small flower
ye, especially for hally range
or if you just throw on a blood fury
for a very minor damage loss
slim shadow
In most gear sets you won’t even lose a max hit with blood fury. And BF can proc from your blind bag procs
small flower
am not planning on doing hally though
i'd find it particularly annoying trying to stay at max range
slim shadow
They have plugins for that 🤣
small flower
they don't have plugins that stop nex from chasing you down
XD
some bosses would be easy enough to stay at range with sure
slim shadow
I was highly considering max crit wind build but it will be so weak in certain PvM.. melee just seems so volatile and fun
small flower
ye, the potential for all the random extra attacks is why i'ma go for it
slim shadow
I will not be going anywhere near Nex.. I’m currently doing my Nex grind in the regular game 🥲
stiff hinge
imagine if you could safespot vardo lmfao