leagues-general

[dull imp]

About 36 are free

[tacit oyster]

no, if lucky we get easy&medium tasks today for global and varlamore in 45minutes

[lapis flax]

we got all the echo items pacts and relics alr

[dim crystal]

echo yama come on

[dull imp]

Today probably easy tasks, tomorrow probably medium tasks

[glacial elbow]

arent we missing the modifiers for tier 6 and 8? %exp / drop rate etc

or are there no modifiers there

[lapis flax]

they did say they might reveal easy/medium varla and global tasks at some point before release but they specified they wont release the full task list before release

[dull imp]

Wednesday announcement that misthalin will open as a 5th region at 30 pact points and you’ll have to slay a ton of demons

[sterile pewter]

ah. Did they reveal some of the tasks?

[tacit oyster]

some tiers have always missed passive effects

[lapis flax]

they revealed the task list for the pact points

but nothing else task wise yet

[sterile pewter]

ah kk

ty for the info ❤️

[lapis flax]

but yeah we wont be getting full task list prior

[sterile pewter]

Yeah but i think in past leagues they showed some early tasks. I guess its just the tasks for the pacts this time

[lapis flax]

ye

[potent quail]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=HugeDwarvesEmblem
my full KTZ build

AIR BALLISTA: always max hit with 2 styles
25% damage increase from swapping is not yet in the calculator

start crossbow either sunlight or Adamant cbow

then slowly go up the air tree -> in the beginning you only use air spells to prayer regen not for damage

Once you have quad get prayer gear and build is ready

can remove 3 prayer points because of the T pick

[sterile pewter]

I really hope barb assault isn't a task in Kandarin

[lapis flax]

last leauge it was

2 tasks

[sterile pewter]

two tasks arent bad. But still

[lapis flax]

only 5% completion tho lmao

[sterile pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

[potent quail]

dont forget x8 points in barb assault
so its like 2 runs

[lapis flax]

unless you are going for max points they are skippable

but also yeah minigame points increased

[eager vale]

Thank you! that makes sense lol

[wet loom]

barb assault in the main game is a lot of fun, I always enjoy it, the worst part about it is you get people who are self interested and will leave on wave 9/10 because they dont need more pennance queen kills to get their fighter's torso

Enough people will be picking Kandarin this league that as long as you prioritize doing it early should be just as fun. especially if you get some crazy magers who rush getting the echo weapon before starting BA

[austere depot]

Okay I think I might go Butler over Transmutation, though Transmutation seems pretty cool and unique, my plan has a massive smithing shaped hole even with it and Wildy supplies lol

I do not want to bring a hundred thousand coal to a furnace

[sterile pewter]

If it worked on a matchmaking system like pest control or something it would be alot better

[glacial elbow]

butler good

[wet loom]

Dont bring it to a furnace, pick flow state and stand next to a bank and cast superheat ore!

[austere depot]

.... hm, good call actually

[glacial elbow]

how many ticks are regular superheat?

[wet loom]

3

[lapis flax]

dont even need flow state for superheat, its still faster than a furnace

[sterile pewter]

This is actually hella smart

[lapis flax]

it does make it faster tho

[glacial elbow]

like 33% faster

but reloaded is pretty much always a skill solve

[austere depot]

I think I'm taking Flow State and doing Barbarian woodcutting to 200M

[wet loom]

I think I'm going to have too much fun with Flow State to ever go back for an older relic

[austere depot]

On redwoods

[sterile pewter]

I'm on the fence about hot foot or taking the herb perk

Honestly i may just super heat lol

[glacial elbow]

im probably taking woodsman for fletching/hunter + random seeds

[austere depot]

Hotfoot doesn't work with the good BG method and doesn't work with transmute :(

[sterile pewter]

I'm taking the clue relic. the points are too good to pass up

[keen badger]

Do we know if transmute gets interrupted by walking or skilling? Or does it work like golden god last leagues (for noted items)

[glacial elbow]

they reduced clue tasks this leagues tho

[lapis flax]

works like GG

[sterile pewter]

Did they?

[keen badger]

Thats hot

[molten gust]

That is good to know. I also questioned about that.

[lapis flax]

clue relic is a must take for people who wanna max points because of the colletion logs

otherwise its whatever

[sterile pewter]

Well dang. Imma look at the tasks when the league starts and see if its still worth it

[dim crystal]

Relative to transmute too, do we get essence noted when converting runes or unnoted? Curious if that's a rcing method by sitting at an altar

[austere depot]

Noted :(

[keen badger]

Noted

[molten gust]

Which might mean the high alch side of it will also work like gg. Though without the saving stuff and higher amount of money.

[lapis flax]

i will prolly take it anyway cause i dont wanna farm castle wars or inquisitor form my zammy minion items 🤣

[lapis flax]

it doesnt

[austere depot]

Alchemy spells will not automatically re-cast.
:(

[sterile pewter]

I know collection log tasks will still be a thing

[molten gust]

Oh boo

[sterile pewter]

So it will still be good for that too

[glacial elbow]

yee

[lapis flax]

the highest collection log task is 750 clogs

which for most region setups realistically require a lot of clues

and without the clue relic its just so much time spent doing extra steps above minimum getting low roll rewards needing to find the items for emote clues etc

but if you dont care about anythign higher than t8 then you dont need it

[glacial elbow]

would need to be more tasks than the 750 clog task for it to be worth imo

[lapis flax]

again, for people who wanna max points which obviously isnt many but they exist, then its mandatory

[tacit oyster]

i should be fine with some grinding for medium/hard clues. culling spree gives tons of elite and some hard clues, larcenist will do easy clues for shared and easy clogs

[lapis flax]

for everyone else its whatever

[smoky raft]

a huge tip for this: look into your region's minigames and other sections! Kourend, for example, gets 25 clogs just form the shayzien combat ring, which takes like 5 minutes to do

[lapis flax]

its less about getting the clues and actually the amount you need to do and the time it takes to do them but ye

[smoky raft]

kandarin gets the tower of life

etc

[tacit oyster]

clues keep progress even if you drop without finishing in league so its not that big issue

[lapis flax]

most region choices have around 900-1000 clogs that are achieveable (not super long grinds like pets etc) and like 500 of those are clues

by region choices i mean 3 region picks

[smoky raft]

it's a hell of a lot easier to get 300 clue clogs than 500

I'm not saying these sorts of activities will replace clues but they will supplement them a lot

[sterile pewter]

For shades do you get multiple keys?

[lapis flax]

yeah but the point is if you want that task for max points you NEED to do clues, and a lot of them at that, so its just so much time save by getting the clue relic

[tacit oyster]

for max points you need to to a lot of everything

[lapis flax]

but yeah, as ive said repeatedly for most people the clue relic isnt super valuable since most people dont care about maxing points

[limpid lava]

i just like clues o7 and kinda need the prayer boots

[potent quail]

You need 750 collection logs for max points

[tacit oyster]

no zeah? you are better off just doing echo boots then

[limpid lava]

im mage and i have zeah but those dont drop full because you can get then normaly from the region

[lapis flax]

echo boots drop from colleseum full

[austere depot]

I'm kinda looking forward to Culling Spree superiors in wildy, guaranteed key and guaranteed elite clue and 50% respawn rate is pretty cool

[limpid lava]

echo boots dont give 5 prayer

[lapis flax]

i was responding to this unless i misunderstood what you were talking about

i wasnt saying they give 5 prayer

im just saying they do in fact drop as echo boots

[limpid lava]

i was referring to Devout boots not those

[lapis flax]

🫡

[limpid saddle]

You can still get dragon trophy without the 750 clog task no?

[tribal crag]

anybody know what order the pacts are calced for things like max hit and bonus damage etc? also crystal armour bonus

[lapis flax]

additive

[tacit oyster]

dragon trophy is only around 70% of points

[lapis flax]

not multuplicative

[tribal crag]

I mean like, is my max hit increased first and then the damage increase, or is the damage increased first which would mean the max hit is bigger right?

[austere depot]

Yes, they were talking about point capping specifically

[sterile pewter]

I wanna get everyone's opinion. If i'm going mory, kourend, and kanderin. Should I go friendly forager or hotfoot?

[lapis flax]

flat dmg is added at the end

[tribal crag]

so max hit is put on first?

[lapis flax]

what pact are you talking about

[tribal crag]

it's the one 2 before the 5 tick hally node

[limpid lava]

4% melee max hit per 3 tiles

[lapis flax]

that is additive with other %dmg increases

[tribal crag]

yeah

oh is this an actual damage increase, I thought it just increased the max hit that you can hit

[lapis flax]

it is max hit

[limpid lava]

increasing your max hit is a damage increase lol

[lapis flax]

but its the same thing

1%dmg increase doesnt increase you min and max hit its just your max hit

[tribal crag]

oh really

[lapis flax]

your min is still 1 or 4 with the first melee node

or 4* distance

rather

3*distance plus 1 rather

[tribal crag]

ok that makes things easier then 😄

so crystal armour plus that plus the 25% damage after a max hit with a different style, would basically just make 52% more damage

[lapis flax]

yes

[tribal crag]

so a 100 would turn to 152, gotcha thanks

way easier like that

[lapis flax]

yeah all those bonuses are additive

just add them up

👍

[tribal crag]

damn so chally only gonna hit like 80-80 that fucking sucks lmao

[lapis flax]

min hit of like 20 tho

[tribal crag]

yeah 24-24 I think without the extra +5 from overhealed hp

[lapis flax]

melee especially hally blindbag build is looking to be some of the lowest dps build

but it looks fun so im doing it anyway

[lapis flax]

ya

but unless you building into thorns which requires a shield, then the melee overhea options are not great

[tribal crag]

I was thinking some weird fkn max hit air spell switch into chally to spec build 😄 but it doesn't seem to compete with the raw air spell camp one

[lapis flax]

air spell looks very potent

[tribal crag]

i did look at the blindbag one though looks super fun

[lapis flax]

prayair

[tribal crag]

😄

[unreal junco]

the dps for the hally build dosent look bad at all at max

[tribal crag]

what's the dps of it?

[lapis flax]

its like 25 maybe 30 on the high end

[tribal crag]

so half of the air one? 😄

[lapis flax]

which is like the lowest out of all the other builds ive seen/ looked at

[unreal junco]

we talking about the blind bag cycstal armour build yea

[lapis flax]

ye

it does depends on the weapons in your blindbag

[unreal junco]

i think with 5 syths it was pushing

[lapis flax]

and what you are fighting

[potent quail]

pray air numbers are insane
but requires very speciifc gear in every slot

[lapis flax]

5 scythes is worse than 3

[potent quail]

so not a league starter and more a respec build

[unreal junco]

yea

[fickle pine]

Are clue steps restricted to the regions you have unlocked?

[lapis flax]

since the uncharged scythes are just not as good so if it hits those then its less dmg

[potent quail]

yes

[lapis flax]

ye

[toxic vortex]

Supposed to be but there are always a few bugged steps

[fickle pine]

so why are we not just doing clue scrolls b4 we unlock karamja?

[toxic vortex]

That is a strategy

[potent quail]

can do that, but what bad clue steps are on karamja?

[unreal junco]

but you can just do like daxe dualmakies soulreaper eaerly if you dont do raids cant u

[gray oxide]

how are air magers planning to do sol? Is maxing water heal viable?

[fickle pine]

genuinely do not know the catalogue of clue steps to argue that valid point

but varlamore has amazing teleport routes (pendant, quezt, fairy, etc.)

[unreal junco]

or gwad swords if you take the region

[potent quail]

like if you take conniving clues, you do clues once you have it

if you dont take conniving, the question is what clue steps are in varlamore, how often d you get stuck?

[dull imp]

Not often

Easy clues in varlamore are the same steps multiple times

Kandas gunna be my second since no conniving for me. And then no other region til im done with clue grind

[potent quail]

looking more at elite and masters^^

[minor summit]

Is there anything they could possibly be telling us today?

[dull imp]

Same, very few tps required since new region low steps count

The issue is gunna be getting elites and masters pre new region

[potent quail]

tasks, secret yama echo boss

[fickle pine]

is there a resource online that would filter by region for treasure trail steps?

[potent quail]

all bosses drop elite clues

[dull imp]

But you can complete easys in varlamore

[minor summit]

I got woken up to a phone call so

[tacit oyster]

wiki probably has clue steps with regions, not sure if sorting is made yet

[dull imp]

Sure

I plan on larceny + eh finishing clue grind for me

[gray oxide]

do we know if the bbc ice barrage will count as an ice spell for water mage builds?

[lapis flax]

it does

[inner zenith]

build reveal is the lamest shit xD

[potent quail]

if you take larcenist you have 2 more regions unlocked

[lapis flax]

are you able to not unlock regions and keep getting points to unlock a relic?

or are you forced to unlock the region before you take relics

[tacit oyster]

hard to get more points fast if you keep regions locked

[dull imp]

I’m not clicking the unlock region button

[potent quail]

its fine
there was no announcment planned for today anyways
and this is actually useful for tons of players not on this discord

[dull imp]

I did it last leagues, let it just sit in the ui for a long as time to make clues ez

[potent quail]

you are forced to i think this league

[lapis flax]

i mean

we dont really know that

[potent quail]

would need to double check

[dull imp]

Karamja maybe but they won’t lock you out

[lapis flax]

they havent said anythign about that

karamja unlock is not in the tutorial anymore

[tawdry carbon]

Hi guys,
my teams plan was Kourend Morytania and Desert for the 3 raids
whats a good unlocking order for this?
Morytania -> Kourend -> Desert?

[potent quail]

Your character begins restricted to the area of Varlamore. As you complete tasks, you can unlock more areas. Karamja will be locked at the start of this league but will be a forced unlocked once you reach your first area unlock. This will be followed by three additional regions you choose yourself. Misthalin is completely inaccessible during this league.
mhhh maybe just karmja

[twilit halo]

So, how long are we thinking the delay will be this year?

[toxic vortex]

1 hour

[dull imp]

Yes, I did it last leagues. I was on t5 before I did first region. This leagues I can push t6 easily since there’s a ton of content in varlamore

[dull imp]

Yeah and karamja clues are all pretty chill as well

[lapis flax]

by forced they just mean you have to take karamja you cant skip it, they dont mean that you have to unklock it as ssoon as you reach it (probably)

[dull imp]

And that’s free easy pact points if force unlocked. ( I had karamja last leagues by default as well)

[lapis flax]

kourend Might be better for points as first region?

[potent quail]

forced unlock
but yeah karmja doesnt matter for clues

[lapis flax]

not sure

[potent quail]

btw when will this get revealed?

[dull imp]

The real benefit to delaying unlocks is I get to see what the different combats look like by the people rushing

[twilit halo]

Hey guys, i need help deciding, Kourend, Kandarin, Morytania....Kourend, Asgarnia, Morytania.... Kourend, Kandarin, Asgarnia?

[foggy flare]

Desert, Wilderness, and dont even choose your 3rd, show your dominance

[dull imp]

Pick nothing til week 2 and varlamore completion 🤣

[tribal crag]

depends what you want to do and what pacts you want to go

personally i would only go 1 raid region though

[minor summit]

Idk but the shops that were blacked out are just low tier daggers and halberds in the Smith and low tier knives in the range shop

[potent quail]

wdym?
what blacked out shops?

[tacit oyster]

these were all blacked

[minor summit]

Some shops have expanded their wares:
The Elemental shield and Anti-dragon shield have been added to all Slayer Equipment shops
Bronze, Iron & Steel daggers and Halberds have been added to the Fortis Blacksmith
Box traps & Bird snares have been added to the Fortis General Store
Bronze, Iron & Steel Knives have been added to Arcuani's Archery Supplies in Tal Teklan
Hunting crossbow at the Sunset Coast charter ship just like the previous league

Not all of them were blacked out, just the Smith and the Archery Supplies were

[tacit oyster]

all of them were blacked out at start and slowly removed black bar over the reveals

[tawdry carbon]

mind explaining the reasoning ?

[inner zenith]

i agree

i dont get whyb kand is so good

[molten gust]

I think it was the knives bit that was hidden.

[tawdry carbon]

why?
my group was planning on all 3 but we come from a different game
we mostly want to experience all raid content to see if we want to play the main game

[molten gust]

Along with the halberds

[inner zenith]

Do we know about synapse yet?

[stray fjord]

Does anyone know the start time?

[minor summit]

Knives and halberds part

[lapis flax]

lots of content and skilling options, mory has a lot more end game stuff

[minor summit]

11am UTC is the estimated start time

[tacit oyster]

hunting crossbow and box traps were also blacked day 1 of reveals

[lapis flax]

its just a lot of content to get through but if you are up for it its fine

[stray fjord]

Probably add an hour or so on then based on what happened last year

[twilit halo]

frem, desert and wildy dont interest me at all, other then i do enjoy witches maze lol, im not going for dragon cup, im not too afk, but people keep calling endless harvest afk but id be right there endless gathering while cyclyin through the task list, not worrying about each thing running out so i can actually build up enought resources to do things

[smoky raft]

soon™
(<t:1776250800:t> in your time, though it'll likely be delayed by anywhere from 30 min to 4 hours)

[minor summit]

I forgot what happened last year? The issue with Jagex accounts not being able to log?

[tacit oyster]

issues with update and too many jagex account logins so jagex login server couldnt handle it.

[minor summit]

You all remember that fiasco with Shattered Relics?

[cinder remnant]

Hello

We are looking for task list plz

[minor summit]

Mains were logging into Leagues servers confused lol

[minor summit]

Not available yet

[lapis flax]

wont be available till leagues release

[cinder remnant]

😭

[minor summit]

Are they not releasing it 30 mins prior like before?

[lapis flax]

launch day

not launch ye

so maybe like a little beforehand

[minor summit]

Ahh

[lapis flax]

but not specified

[inner zenith]

so 2moro

[cinder remnant]

Oki

[lapis flax]

day after but ye

[timber quest]

Faux's file currently just reads

1. Equip ponk skurt lmaoroflmaokekek

[smoky raft]

ok

[tacit oyster]

usually it is when the update timer starts and there is 1-2 hours after servers are back online before leagues world opens

[cursive edge]

omg

[timber quest]

Dya reckon we're getting on in less than 3 hours this year

[cursive edge]

the new video reveals some things in a wy

[timber quest]

Grid and dmm were so clean, I think they got us

[cursive edge]

at least, i had no idea the lithic sceptre spec was 3 tiles around the target you shoot it at, not 3 tiles around your character

so you can indeed sit 10 tiles away and drop the specs on something

[dull imp]

I think they’ve upgraded their server arch lately so it should be smoother than before

[lapis flax]

think grid and dmm were also not as popular tho

[toxic vortex]

They should restrict leagues to only jagex accounts

[smoky raft]

are there any level requirements to actually wear the mythical cape? Or will I just be able to wear one as soon as I unlock Kandarin

[toxic vortex]

Good question

I don't think so?

[dull imp]

They should ban anyone not doing leagues for botting 🤣 /s

[toxic vortex]

I mean normally I'd say the quest stats, but it's auto'd

So I don't see why we couldn't just go get one

[shadow badger]

Wiki only mentions DS2

[lapis flax]

yeah i think you can wear it

[toxic vortex]

@smoky raft what regions are you picking

[tawdry carbon]

ah we were thinking of barrows and unlocking a good halberd

[smoky raft]

K/D/W

[toxic vortex]

KTM I'm thinking

[lapis flax]

you could, it kinda depends on how many tasks you need for region unlocks, if you can reliably and easily get to your 2nd region unlock through mory then its fine but itll prolly be easier with zeah start

then you just have more options

[toxic vortex]

And you'll probably be able to fight echo hespori quicker than GGs

[lapis flax]

ye

[tawdry carbon]

ok

so kourend, then mory, then desert?

[toxic vortex]

Kourend is a solid first pick

[lapis flax]

seems good

[toxic vortex]

Oof three raid regions though

[tawdry carbon]

yeah my original message explained it

[lapis flax]

yeah they are doing it in a group

and they just wanna experience all the raids

[tawdry carbon]

my group was planning on all 3 but we come from a different game
we mostly want to experience all raid content to see if we want to play the main game

we are from diablo 2 / path of exile 2

[toxic vortex]

Yeah

[cursive edge]

yoo KB crossbow gives magic xp

[obtuse moat]

In the end do what you think is fun. However your scaling in terms of demon pacts would be slowed down because a lot of tasks are gated behind end game content in raid regions.

[analog moat]

are they going to give us the task list

[tawdry carbon]

so we will not be able to complete the content if we go this path?

[small flower]

where'd you see this? husky had said it was ranged

[cursive edge]

the latest video on the official yt channel

[lapis flax]

you will, all the content is doable in the main game where you are much weaker

[cursive edge]

has clips

[lapis flax]

it will just be tougher

[obtuse moat]

It’d just be quite slow

[toxic vortex]

Not necessarily, but since you guys haven't played before it's going to be harder

[cursive edge]

its possible things were changed since the video was filmed or something? idk. They do wrongly state that crystal blessing adds +40 magic atk per item

[tawdry carbon]

slow is fine
how mechanically intense is completing the content versus racing ubers/placing top 10 or 100 on path of exile 1/2? if you play those

how long is the league?

[snow patrol]

this post was made on april 2, so there's still a chance the mentioned easy/medium varlamore/global tasks get released today

[smoky raft]

8 weeks

[lapis flax]

league is 58 days

[obtuse moat]

You can also kind of hang back and see what others do and pick what you like then Plenty of stuff to do in varlamore and karamja already

[tawdry carbon]

so its not completable in 8 weeks if we pick 3 raids?

[lapis flax]

no it is

[tawdry carbon]

for context path of exile league is like 2 months and we finish in 2-3 days

[lapis flax]

will jsut be a slwoer start is all they are saying

[smoky raft]

it would be a LOT of raiding but yeah it is doable

[tawdry carbon]

ah ok

[toxic vortex]

Just don't expect to get it done in like, 2 weeks

You guys can get poe league done quick because you know the game

[tawdry carbon]

thats fine we are not racing we just want to see all content and see if runescape will ecome a main league

in the rotation

[small flower]

so right before he gets mage xp from shooting kree, he gets no mage xp when shooting KBD

idk what's up there

[icy cove]

is there a link to the demonic pact tree somewheres?

[small flower]

but then does on nex

yea idk

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/

[cursive edge]

yeah in the nex clip

he gets mage xp

he shoots KBD with an acb no?

[small flower]

oh you're right

ok

guess it does then

[lapis flax]

if you click the little star on the wiki pageyou get some links to info/ resources the pacts planner is the one chill linked above

the osrs wiki dps calc site also has a pacts tree you can interact with

[smoky raft]

guess who just realized that one of the desert pact tasks is not, in fact, "equip a fang" but rather "equip a kitted fang"

[winter mesa]

Do any of you know if mining rocks will be on a faster spawn rate?

[smoky raft]

they were in previous leagues

at least the longer respawns like rune were

[forest ice]

do we know the spawn point? I assume we can TP to varla from yama's layer

[small flower]

nice to have confirmation that you'll be able to thorns your way through sol's slams too

[wary walrus]

for melee enjoyers, what regions are we thinking aside from Mory? Tira seems like a solid pick, Asgarnia too

[smoky raft]

I believe the common assumption is the Civitas Illa Fortis tp destination (right in front of the palace) but to my knowledge this hasn't been confirmed

[forest ice]

I pick T and the last pick is vibes cause I would hate to do A and both K's this league. so maybe W purely for fun

[smoky raft]

that being said we will have access to the quetzal system immediately so it doesn't particularly matter

[forest ice]

that's what I assume thanks
yeah and birds will help a bunch with early tasks

[lapis flax]

im TKM

[dull imp]

same - has easiest relic progression imo

[lapis flax]

but if you going 1h melee build then the cerb dagger is a good pick too

[wary walrus]

yeah i'm wondering if the tira/asgarnia overlap makes one of them redundant

[lapis flax]

well you go tirn for crystal blessing

it kinda feels necessary for melee build

since nothing else comes close to dmg unless you are going for full thorns setup

[simple raven]

Does anyone have the Zizaran king barrage build I wanna see if it’s any different from the one Scritic posted

[dull imp]

1h melee build is still strong with whip and crystal

[wary egret]

Any reveals today?

[lapis flax]

yeah it kinda just depends if you are 1h thorns or 1h spec

[dull imp]

im actually going early 1h speed since full obby set + zerker neck + obby dagger is gunna slap

[toxic vortex]

apparently not

[lapis flax]

1h thorns you dont care about cerb dag but 1h spec you kinda want it

[dull imp]

i dont go into the capstones, just get the tick speed, 1h strength bonus and dip

[opaque kite]

I'm looking at making a melee/ranged build. my idea is to use "crossbow always hits max hit" and use a halberd setup for melee. What regions should I use? I want to do COX. Sorry if this is too much to ask but I've never done leagues before

[dull imp]

go into powered staves and bowfa upgrades

[dull imp]

crossbow is goated with asgarnia - zeah since void + twisted buckler

[lapis flax]

halberd you want mory for nox hally OR kand/tirn for crystal hally

[dull imp]

kandarin if u wanna 2h ballista, wildy if u wanna 2h bbc

[simple raven]

Probably mory, zeah & tirn or kand

[wary egret]

Is thammarons 1t a bait? Sounds fun but it’ll be an absolute pea shooter right?

Max hit of like 6 early on

[toxic vortex]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League/Tasks - apparently we do have tasks

[smoky raft]

avg of 3.5/t is still ~6 DPS

that's like midgame gear on its own

it's not bad

[dull imp]

i think thats copy paste from last league

[smoky raft]

it's just not leagues level

[toxic vortex]

cant be, theres a task for wearing treads

[lapis flax]

no i think they released the list of easy mediums like they said they would

plus all the demonic pact tasks

obv

[smoky raft]

ok so it was a copy paste plus the pact tasks that we already know

[dull imp]

paste from the demonic pacts

[toxic vortex]

possibly

still, can plan day 1 at least

[dull imp]

its mostly plannable

remember humans are lazy

theyre gunna copy paste and then tweak

not compeltely do new tasks across the entire board

[toxic vortex]

@dull imp just confirmed that they are definitely the easy + medium tasks for varlamore and karamja

[dull imp]

nice

[toxic vortex]

Plus the pact point tasks

[dull imp]

yup i can hit t6 without unlocking new region(other than auto karam if forced)

[tacit oyster]

Varlamore karamja and global easy/medium

[dull imp]

my tracker has me at 8k points with just the hunter + other relic skilling tasks

[toxic vortex]

Those varlamore easy tasks are definitely easy

can probably get them all done in a little over an hour

[smoky raft]

time to do some fish math

[dull imp]

spawn in, pickpocket 6 times, buy 3 bird snares, pet renu, fly renu to crimson swifts, do swifts, do next bird (if competition run to grubs) get level for rumors, stop hunter - go collect planks, get other reqs for rumors - sit in rumors til 50m hunter

thats my ez pz starter route. + add any easy tasks for t2 relic if needed, but gets me out of the hunter mob competition early

[austere depot]

Are you doing Leagues one skill at a time or something

[dull imp]

no, 50m hunterxp is 3k points by itself

[oak pebble]

Does the Shadowflame Quadrant's extra spell attack also proc rune regeneration?

[dull imp]

and you get 16x off rumors

[toxic vortex]

Do we know that for sure?

[dull imp]

2m xp per hour at worst case

yea

[toxic vortex]

Theres a duplicate task for huey

[dull imp]

+-200 points based on hunter mob tasks

[zealous whale]

Does anybody know the shop that sells the hunters crossbow also has bolts for sale in leagues?

[dull imp]

it wont

you do sunlight/moonlight antelopes for ammo

[zealous whale]

Ok ty

[dull imp]

camping sunlight antelopes for a little bit with woodsman will be nice sunfire shards for blessed wines from the bone shards from rumors

[sharp swan]

does lithic sceptre spell count as an earth spell because it requires earth runes, or no because it's a powered staff?

[dull imp]

no

powered staves wont count for the end element capstones

rune gen stuff will count if you spec into the powered staff stuff for it

[smoky raft]

according to my Fish Math™, I will need to fish for approximately 5 hours to get 3k coins from selling shrimp

I think I need to find a different way to get 3k off the bat lmao

[dull imp]

pickpocketing lol

[sharp swan]

that's what I thought, just wanted to make sure

[smoky raft]

yeah I think pickpocketing is gonna be the go-to

[dull imp]

or crafting into gem uncut cut resell

i think you can do glass off charter ship, i havent looked at early crafting

definitely have flax at level 10

[smoky raft]

actually yeah

uncut sapphires only cost 25 gp and only require 20 crafting

I could get 20 crafting

[toxic vortex]

does flax picking worth with harvest?

[dull imp]

yeah its charter ship glass to 10 or you can shear something i think for cotton 10-20 flax -> bowstring pipeline

20-infinity gem store

oh wait

we have death on the isle

An ideal way to jumpstart Crafting training is by completing Death on the Isle. Even at Tier 1, the 5,000 XP reward is enough to immediately reach level 36 Crafting.

Most other standard crafting methods are also available in Varlamore, although they may be made more efficient with other regions.

theres ur crafting and gets you infinite thread and needle for later

[toxic vortex]

True

[dull imp]

34 thieving 32 agil

agil shouldnt be too bad to get to 32

[raw sail]

does anyone know if kings barrage will be affected by the style swap bonus, as it uses 2 styles? Crossbow, and ice spell?

[dull imp]

it wont if i recall correctly

since no weapon is swapped

[cursive edge]

where does home teleport take us?

[dull imp]

civitas

[proper stratus]

do we know the time leagues is getting released?

[cursive edge]

center of civitas, where the current tele takes you?

[toxic vortex]

theres a countdown on the main wiki page

[proper stratus]

thank you

[wary egret]

What time does this officially start? Like 10am GMT?

[smoky raft]

if my math is right it'll take a whopping 19 clay pots to get 10 crafting

[wary egret]

Oh lol

[cursive edge]

that seems like 12:30 UK time?

[wary egret]

Asked before I read

[dull imp]

wheres clay cooker?

[ionic heron]

Can we get a leagues with PvP disabled in Wildy thanks

[toxic vortex]

happens all the time

[smoky raft]

fuck

[wary egret]

Ugh that’s like 4am for me lol

[cursive edge]

i forget, do we spawn with any items at all?

like tutorial island gear?

or empty handed

[toxic vortex]

tutorial gear

• dramen staff

[dull imp]

oh theres one in civitas apparently

clay route best route then

[smoky raft]

wahoo

[forest ice]

I wonder if the CG staff has charges...

[dull imp]

go to stonecutters, mine 19 clay, home tp back

[toxic vortex]

technically no, but it is counted as a charged staff

[smoky raft]

can confirm, wheel and kiln

[dull imp]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League#Overview

[smoky raft]

right between a water source and a bank too

[forest ice]

yeah powered/charged
but do you think it can regen charges?

[smoky raft]

you will need at least one bucket, or more if you don't want to absolutely suffer

[toxic vortex]

there are no charges though. you just make the staff

Theres nothing to regen

[dull imp]

just make it wet at the fountain then run back

maybe 3 buckets

[austere depot]

Well 16x is t7 though... Or do you mean 2x8x?

[dull imp]

woodsman bonus

[austere depot]

Yeah fair enough then

[dull imp]

when you get 16x you go back for 200m hunter

[shadow badger]

Just pick larcenist and do 200m thieving

or nature and 200m farming

[dull imp]

since rumors will be 5mil xp + an hour. Though i think i have a setup where i can complete moonlight antelopes and leave them in the trap, turn in, then get rumor again leave in trap etc

[dull imp]

ill have larcenist as well

im gunna vibes the 200m

magic will be my 200m combat cuz of transmute

[austere depot]

I have the 200M most likely locked in, Barbarian Gathering Flow State redwoods

[toxic vortex]

https://tenor.com/bpEmY.gif

[shadow badger]

Any reveals happen today?

[toxic vortex]

partial task list is on the wiki

[dull imp]

they said a reveal every day up to leages start

so they better have one or we riot

[wary egret]

Oh I see some tasks on wiki now

[dull imp]

im so tempted to go barbarian, but i know 3 weeks in ill want to afk shit more than active play

[toxic vortex]

the partial task list is probably the reveal for today

[brittle hull]

lmfao create a compost potion bro smh

[dull imp]

i might make a guide with yellow cape as the item to wear if following the sit in varlamore

[dull imp]

they removed it

If there are any tasks which need a region other than Varlamore+Karamja or a specific relic to complete in Global please do pass them on to me

Tasks which will be removed

• Create a compost potion

Tasks which are not issues

• Sunfire rune counts as a combination rune

[brittle hull]

hmm still see it but i trust

[dull imp]

thats from husky

on the other leagues discord

[stone prairie]

Leagues discord??!

[smoky raft]

pins

[dull imp]

oh i cant post the link

[stone prairie]

Ty kings

[dull imp]

#affiliate-communities message

[smoky raft]

ok so I've mathed out my initial gp

[dull imp]

need addy scim for cake from nest task as well

[smoky raft]

gonna get 36 coins from 12 pickpockets, buy a chisel and 5 buckets from the general store just south of civitas, mine 20 clay, make 20 pots, spin 44 flax

that should leave me with 25 coins, a chisel, and, most importantly, 20 crafting

should only take like 5 minutes

[toxic vortex]

i mean 36 coins isn't exactly a huge problem to solve

[plain glacier]

what is 20 crafting for

[dull imp]

i think sheep is just optimizing the early start

sapphire cut and sell @plain glacier

[smoky raft]

my goal is to get this within the first 15 minutes and all together (with 100 mind runes) it's gonna cost me about 3k

[tacit oyster]

single chicken spawn near spawn

[fickle pine]

I filtered all the clue steps in Varlamore into a doc

[dull imp]

what does first uncut sapphire cost?

[smoky raft]

25 coins

[dull imp]

oh sick

[dull imp]

post plz

[opaque kite]

What should I do for relics? I will unlock Morytania, Asgarnia, and Kourend. I'm thinking Barbarian, Hotfoot, Evil Eye, Butler's Bell, Nature's Accord, Culling Spree, Reloaded for Transmutation, and flask of fervour

[fickle pine]

I can't, I tried

[toxic vortex]

yeah he probably cant

[dull imp]

dm me it plz

[smoky raft]

absolutely dirt cheap. You get a profit of 150 coins per

[toxic vortex]

the wiki page has region filters though

[fickle pine]

which one? I could not find that page you are referencing

[dull imp]

not for clue steps yet

[toxic vortex]

ah, i didnt read the clue part

[fickle pine]

its a pretty small list, no more than like 7 a tier

[dull imp]

is turquoise gnome top even doable /on the list?

[toxic vortex]

if you have kandarin

[fickle pine]

just drop that one, and the sunfire

[dull imp]

ah kk

if they even let the gnome one roll

[fickle pine]

I added the abyss, I forgot the Zanaris if there are any

[dull imp]

poro poro has master

thats the only one from last leagues no new region unlocks i remember

it was super chill for masters cuz you did all the steps standing at the imp npc guy

[random sky]

been thinking TMK, but wondering if i should swap mory for zeah. how important is justiciar for water thorns? nox hally for hally build? (since chally is 5tick)

[dull imp]

oof

masters gunna suck this leagues

full blue moon and some hueycoatly dhide

not impossible, but gunna take longer than normal

[random sky]

ig tob is better for purples

[tacit oyster]

this start really feels like a chore list and im not even half way done checking 10 point tasks

admire this, emote to this, visit this place, turn off your run

[fickle pine]

just looked it over, that is the only one for Zanaris

[inner zenith]

Where will home TB take you in leagues? ciitas?

civitas*

[fickle pine]

Yama's tutorial lair most likely

or wherever it boops you out to

[fickle pine]

If you go down the 1kg melee tree, getting the loot should be easy enough with a dragon dagger

Which is in Zanaris, all you need is a diamond

[dull imp]

if karamja is force unlocked ill probably go hard into the obby setup with obby neck

skip dd entirely

[fickle pine]

Oh you think Karamja will unlock without us toggling the region unlock?

[dull imp]

if i can let karamja sit in the ui ill go dd

[fickle pine]

did you have to immediately choose a region in Raging Echoes, or could you sit on the unlock

[dull imp]

yea it depends on what they mean by force unlock. If we have to select it as next region like last league, it can sit in the ui til im ready, if it auto force unlocks the region no sitting in ui, then yea opens up more shit, but makes clues and hunter annoying

i could sit on the unlock

i didnt unlock a new region last leagues til t5

but i did need karamja for t5 cuz misthalin only points were low

[fickle pine]

I feel you, I wonder how long it would take to save up a 100 of each clue tier up to elite

[dull imp]

not long with endless harvest i feel

just afk shit and stack

green log easys is super fast in varlamore if i can get larceny before next region

[toxic vortex]

depends on your regions and if you have larcenist

with larcenist and Kandarin, probably not very long at all

[smoky raft]

Kandarin is the only way to get clues from larcenist outside of easies

gnomes for mediums, paladins for hards, heroes for elites

[dull imp]

yeah its whats letting me skip conniving

which i dont wanna take if i can help it

[toxic vortex]

exactly

[random sky]

how many clue tasks are there this league? did they release a full task list?

[toxic vortex]

No

So we don't know for sure yet

[dull imp]

we know theres a 750 collection log task

which clues gets most of

[toxic vortex]

They have said that they did reduce the # of clues required for some tasks

[tacit oyster]

a lot of clue tasks are in medium tier but there are open 75 caskets for medium

ramdom events all 30 points each again

[toxic vortex]

It amazes me how much some people don't read the basic leagues info

someone in the leagues discord asked if they released the tier passives yet

[copper gorge]

Bugs bunny meme "no".

[random sky]

for clues, dont forget that we get a ton from wcing/fishing

[smoky raft]

I need to figure out how I'm going to beat blue moon

[dull imp]

glacial temotlis

[smoky raft]

it's either going to be staff bashing with a mystic water or spells at this point

[tacit oyster]

time to open dps calc to see if you can beat buffalo with 1 stats

[plain glacier]

do enough damage to kill it before it kills you generallyu

[smoky raft]

you're so right

[dull imp]

my thing is can i do doom tasks with no new regions

[smoky raft]

I remembered the "click boss" part but I forgot the "don't die" part

[plain glacier]

youll get there one day

[minor summit]

Well sometimes it is worded differently. Either "don't die" or "stay alive"

[tacit oyster]

yeah i dont think im beating this buffalo without training

[dull imp]

anyone else doing the sit in varlamore for as long as possible strat?

[random sky]

idk, i think its gonna be kinda crowded

[toxic vortex]

Probably most

there isn't really that much in karamja

[fickle pine]

Is there a League Slayer Task list?

[toxic vortex]

its based on your regions, so I don't think there is a filterable list or anything like that

[warm bridge]

do we have the info on how many points are needed for each relic?

[lapis flax]

do we know what point thresholds will be for the relic tiers or are we just assuming same as last leagues?

[dull imp]

probably close to same as last league

[fickle pine]

I guess I will just deal with whatever I am given then

[dull imp]

remember lazy human copy paste

[fickle pine]

I was thinking that I can train slayer, can get scroll drops from doing that.
I realize that there are a great deal of other slayer tasks in Varlamore outside of Chaeldars standard list

[rich rune]

What's the angle for that strat?

[dull imp]

50m hunter woodsman starting at t2 - gets you high prayer(80+), 3k points purely from hunter, do clues as you get them so the steps available are all super condensed. Youll have transmutation so do all crafting tasks, youll have transmute so get whatever prayer you want, you can probably get to larceny so green log easy clues - do farming with seeds from woodsman - easy herb and farming, use herbs at mixology when you have the level. Transmute seeds up/down as needed.

[copper gorge]

I need area unlock and relic unlock points soooon

[dull imp]

once you have 5x drop rate start combats

[smoky raft]

ok so

this is atrocious

[copper gorge]

That looks so sexy

[rich rune]

I like that angle, I think I stay until easy clue greenlogged or vestment set sorted.

[random sky]

is suffering necessary for thorns?

[copper gorge]

I am blitzing to t5 trying to do as little combat as possible.

[random sky]

could I just carry around a bunch of recoils?

lol

[dull imp]

my regions are ktm, so kandarin will finish out my other clues and thieving + money

[smoky raft]

gonna be rolling up to blue moon absolutely sauced

[dull imp]

gunno go 1kg weapon for varlamore so i can do obby set and obby dagger since karamja force unlocked

[grave pollen]

Am I right there is no way to train thieving to start in valmore?

[dull imp]

and consistent small dps over blindbag early makes more sense to me

[dull imp]

pickpocket men/women

[grave pollen]

I need to check that because wiki says there isn’t any

Like base man or woman lol

[smoky raft]

[[Citizen (Civitias illa Fortis)]]

fuck it

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Citizen_(Civitas_illa_Fortis)

[grave pollen]

Thanks. I am dumb

[smoky raft]

it's ok

[copper gorge]

Nobody goes to varlamore

[smoky raft]

idiots together

individually, we may be stupid, but together, we may be stupid in a group

[grave pollen]

I should use a guide but its scratchs a part of my brain to plan my own

[toxic vortex]

show the actual dps stuff

[smoky raft]

rah

[toxic vortex]

And how exactly are you getting a suffering that early

[copper gorge]

Raging echos task list unlock for next regions were 90, 200, 400

[dull imp]

my guide is go get crimson swifts done before everyone else. then the game opens up to whaterver i want

[smoky raft]

by being an absolute champion, that's how

(I forgot to remove it)

[toxic vortex]

lmao

Time for lunch

[copper gorge]

Mine is reversed. Im gunna endlessly harvest my shit and then when its cool im going to hunter

[dull imp]

thats also an option lol

[random sky]

mek, what is the argument for mory over zeah?

[dull imp]

fuck radiant oathplate tbh

[random sky]

true

[dull imp]

also i like tob more than cox

[copper gorge]

Raging echoes relic tier point unlocks

[dull imp]

and nox hally blind bag i might swap to

[random sky]

is nox hally required if we have 5tick chally?

[copper gorge]

Nox hally is bis

[dull imp]

it has higher str bonus

[random sky]

fair

[dull imp]

my initial setup is 3tick bowfa, 1t powered staff, 3 tick whip so i can do as many pacts as possible

then ill do a respec to whatever looks fun

[copper gorge]

Im gunna try like hell to not respec.

[random sky]

I'm planning to respecc for fun at end of league

[copper gorge]

Chins and a non powered staff start

[dull imp]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=TealDrunkScabaras

this is my try like hell to not respec setup

[random sky]

oh yeah, are raids going to give voucher, or is it going to just drop the purples at random?

[dull imp]

available builds with my regions - praiyermage, water mage, powered staves, blindbag, blindbag hally, earth thorns

[dull imp]

megarares gunna be voucher

rest is normal purps

[random sky]

imo they shouldnt do vouchers, it should be random which item you get

[toxic vortex]

Woah more tasks just got added

[dull imp]

Early hunter birds will always try to have 8 spawns active at a time (as best as the game can). So should help with early crowding

Thought I clarified this weeks ago but seems I forgot

[random sky]

or make the voucher random, with bad luck protection (cant get dupes until you get all 3)

[dull imp]

fire

I'll remove the 100 Elite and 100 Master scroll tasks as part of this problematic task pass.

I thought I was reducing it from 150 to 100 from last league but instead I've increased it from 75 to 100. Must've got lost in the task spreadsheet craziness. So not really reduced from last league but at least it's not worse.

[unique cedar]

Are you gonna NEED asgarnia and kandarin just to complete the karamja diaries?

[random sky]

any diary step that requires another region should be auto complete

[unique cedar]

Good, I thought it might

[toxic vortex]

Not necessarily true

[minor summit]

See, this is misleading. There was a screenshot for a different reveal that showed the League menu, the player had completed the two tutorial tasks and had 580 league points until tier 2.

[copper gorge]

Wouldnt say misleading. Just "rough" guideline to go by

[minor summit]

Nope I mis-read.

[copper gorge]

Without information i mean what else do we have to go by?

[minor summit]

You said Raging echoes

Tbf I am high af right now

[random sky]

does the 20% chance to not consume energy pact work on lithic sceptre stacks?

@dull imp your first pact path has no prayer pen

sus

consider https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=ElvargsRansomAntisanta

you get 30% pen, and still 3 tick with bowfa

same pact pts

[tacit oyster]

hardest task in the game

[ebon phoenix]

anyoen have a map that shows all these locations plotted? like last time?

[twin ermine]

I’m having a really hard time deciding between kandarin, asgarnia, and Tir as my 3rd region. Definitely taking zeah and mory and going into a dhins build, just need to decide if I want to wear crystal armor, oathplate, or torva

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-11-135-139-140-141-145-146-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-157-161-165-17-18-4-5-61-7-71-73-74-8-80-81-82-84-86-92-93-94-95-96-97-99

[dull imp]

dont need it

also i can get 24k points before leaving varlamore this leagues

[storm cradle]

How u imbue slayer helm in leagues?

[dull imp]

i want the bowfa echos

[old tapir]

so i think i'm pretty much locked into my choices now, there's just one thing missing
funny unkillable water mage
harvest, hotfoot, evil eye, transmute, harvest, culling, reload to forager, minion
kourend and kandarin

i don't know what my third region would be and i would like some advice

what could fill skilling gaps in the setup, is there any essential gear in other places, etc

mory and wildy are not on the table

[dull imp]

asgarnia for void maybe

[old tapir]

asgarnia does look good but would prefer to not spend a week at nex again if i can help it

[dull imp]

prif for crafting/smithing solve

oh you dont have thieving

cuz ur doing hotfoot

nvm

[toxic vortex]

Pick kandarin, choose culling spree, or pick frem and get the hat from echo DKs

[random sky]

last league i did so much nex

and got nothing

never again

[old tapir]

i got everything in the alloted kc thankfully

except pet

[toxic vortex]

@storm cradle NMZ in kandarin allows you to exchange gp directly to points, 1 gp per point.

[leaden plinth]

Last league I did the torva zcb build and managed to green log in about 150 kc.

[old tapir]

might do desert and try and fit ice=water into my pacts

barraging is funny

dragon pick from kq also nice

[leaden plinth]

I’ll probably only get the dragon harpoon at best.

No way I’m sitting at Todt for an axe.

[stone barn]

lemme cook a new skill node: Thrown weapons can't be slower than 2 ticks. Makes bp's able to go long range, but more importantly makes ralos a viable mainhand weapon which is cool!!!!

[errant blade]

I'm planning on going Kourend -> Desert -> Asgarnia for my region unlocks.
Is a melee blind bag build still feasible? Or am I shooting myself in the foot by not going mory for the scythe?

[plain glacier]

just get scythe in koruend from cox

[toxic vortex]

or from ToA

[lost herald]

mega rare vouchers baby

[errant blade]

Ofc. I'm an idiot. Thx

[plain glacier]

im always here to make sure people know their idiots

[toxic vortex]

The nally really makes the blindbag shine, that would hurt it a bit

[toxic vortex]

they're*

[plain glacier]

florida public school you cant blame me

[vast plover]

Before I go and do it myself, does anybody know of a calc that shows available slayer tasks based on your region choices

[toxic vortex]

I've not seen one

[toxic vortex]

uber ironic given your sentence though

[plain glacier]

its mutual destruction, i bring them down to me level thus makign them feel like an idiot

[old tapir]

how does contract of forfeit breath work when we have unlimited run

[errant blade]

Ik. I would go mory. Except I would feel like I'm wasting a region unlock. As I'm never touching Hallowed Sepulchre with a 10 foot barge pole (outside of main game). Tried learning it during Gridmaster. Spent most of my time there.

[tranquil pond]

Mory also has rancour

but i think mory is best when you're also going tir, and not any other raid region

mory/tir/kand(?)
seems really good because not only do you get everything that's best for blindbag, but you can also spec a little into charged staves for a second combat style

[errant blade]

Starting to wonder if I should just go for a different build. lol

Yea. Didn't pick Tir due to how Regular Gauntlet went in Gridmaster. Couldn't even get past the first boss phase.
Dreading it when I get there in the main game as well.

[junior bridge]

Hey, had a quick question. Does anyone know if I’m required to take both Desert and Asgarnia to get Fortified Masori armor, or would it drop as Fortified for the league?

[tranquil pond]

pretty sure it requires both

[smoky raft]

Need both

items drop in their lowest usable form

[junior bridge]

Unfortunate. Was hoping it would maybe fall under that

[smoky raft]

sine you can equip regular masori, that's what drops

[junior bridge]

Really like the Wilderness route with the new crossbow, but I also wanted Kourend. Puts me in a predicament

[shadow badger]

Why do you need fortified?

[junior bridge]

Figured it was important since it’s best in slot

[grizzled adder]

what do you guys think easiest region/relic build is if you're trying to go max points?
2 raid regions to make combat achievements a bit easier?

[junior bridge]

Is it not? I’m not super familiar with this game as of the last like 8 years

[smoky raft]

regular masori and fortified masori have the exact same offensive stats

[old tapir]

fortified just ups the defenses, its still as strong offensively without it

[junior bridge]

And the lack of defense wouldn’t lead to issues?

[tranquil pond]

just don't get hit

[old tapir]

if you're dying in the league regularly you have bigger problems than your masori not being fortified

[smoky raft]

I mean it might but most damage can be avoided or reduced with proper gameplay

[tranquil pond]

player damage will be so much higher

that things should die a lot faster too

[junior bridge]

That’s fair. So Asgarnia isn’t entirely necessary then. Cool

[tranquil pond]

my biggest worry with my mage plan is that it goes ALL in on mage, which means i'll suffer any time i encounter a boss that can't be maged

[old tapir]

dropped a tiny bit of defense for a ton more accuracy on the water mage https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-101-11-112-113-114-12-122-123-135-136-44-46-55-56-57-58-59-6-60-61-63-68-7-8-83-86-87-88-9-92-93-94-95-96-97-98-99

i think that's as good as its gonna get

[lapis flax]

will we still need 70 combat for chaeldar slayer tasks or can we get from the get go? likewise for duradel 100cmb and 50 slayer?

[verbal gyro]

My plan is to go all in on mage at the start and then reset into a melee build for my 2nd and 3rd region, but idk yet

[tranquil pond]

i'm torn between my kandarin/desert/zeah all mage build
and a tir/kand/mory build that has blindbag hally as main damage, but is specced into some powered staff stuff

all mage sounds super chill

and i think i generally prefer it

but i dread enemies that'd be mage immune or resistant

[smoky raft]

I'm going earth mage

Anything that I cant kill with spells will inevitably die to thorns + minion

[verbal gyro]

1 tick staff sounds like fun tho

+thorns

[junior bridge]

Mage seems super fun. I was looking into the Water Magic/Thorns build a bit, and it seemed like a good time

[tranquil pond]

i'm starting water mage, then either going into earth or air mage depending on what seems to be more reliable

[verbal gyro]

i think i'll go the water mage route with a little help from kings barrage eased into it

[copper gorge]

Still a decent amount of points tied into clues

[tranquil pond]

water/thorns having to give up the devils element sounds rough

what shield do you use?

ely?

or ward

[verbal gyro]

ely would be fun

[junior bridge]

Devil’s Element is really strong. Basically just a free 30% damage boost

[dull imp]

From get go

[tranquil pond]

and accuracy boost

[lost herald]

6% str too

[smoky raft]

Hear me out. DFS

[lapis flax]

ty

[tranquil pond]

not a bad idea, doesn't take a region and is almost as strong

the -10 mage attack is rough, but manageable

[grizzled adder]

anyone?

[tranquil pond]

actually, higher based numbers than ely makes it better for thorns, doesn't it

[lost herald]

could just use an imbued suffering

[dull imp]

I can get t8 relic before leaving varlamore kekw

[tranquil pond]

we're talking about shields, sir

oh

you mean

[lost herald]

i thought you wanted thorns

[tranquil pond]

no shield

well, you'd want the thorns from the tree

and the thorns from suffering

and thorns from echo boots

if you're going full thorns

honestly, i think the one thing that's keeping me from doing a thorns build is that it feels like it requires too much to get working, and i don't like the idea that i NEED to take damage to actually do anything

[edgy lava]

so there are no more reveals for today or tomorrow is there?

[lost herald]

probably not

[tranquil pond]

is the task list revealed?

[lost herald]

they said day of

[tranquil pond]

gotcha

so then, unless they suddenly unveil echo yama

then no

[lost herald]

we have cho yama at home

[lapis flax]

most of the dmg comes from thorns the suffering and echo boots are just a bonus when you do sometimes get hit

also big boy defense stats

for the thorns perks boosts

[tranquil pond]

hm, that'd require me to go mory for justi

[lapis flax]

well

[tranquil pond]

kourend for bulwark sounds hilarious, but overkill

[lapis flax]

you can make do with like oathplate or torva

[austere depot]

Kourend does also have Oathplate

[lapis flax]

and if you going zeah for dihns then you get oathplate

exactly

its not QUITE as good as justi but its still like 1800 defence bonus instead of almost 2k

[tranquil pond]

ye, fair

frees up a region too

[lapis flax]

total with the whole build i mean

you dont get to make your fury a blood fury without mory

but thats not a huge deal

you wont take much dmg anyway and youll overheal from thorns

[tranquil pond]

does that even apply to the thorns?

[lapis flax]

yes

[tranquil pond]

oh

[lapis flax]

the 2 nodes form the melee tree

that are 10% to heal per tile between you and enemy

also count for thorns hits

or melee attacks

[tranquil pond]

oh yeah, sure enough, the thorns while holding a shield counts as melee damage

[tacit oyster]

80 tasks actually going to take quite a while to get in start

[lapis flax]

my route im planning out gets it done in prolly like, 1 hour conservatively but probably less tbh idk exactly

should be fairly quick though

[tranquil pond]

honestly, i'd initially misread the thorns damage increase node
i thought it said per defense level, not per defense bonus

[lapis flax]

yeah

1% of total defensive bonuses

from 3 to 20ish depending on gear

and then the capstone

bonus 50%

so 30 odd dmg everytime something hits you

crazy good at zillyana if you going asg

[tranquil pond]

the double hit would have a second chance of triggering the heal i assume

[lapis flax]

🤣

[lapis flax]

i assume so since its an extra hitsp[lat

[dull imp]

I just realized I have money solved pretty early with rumors sacks. Forgot they gave raw gp

[lapis flax]

abundance enjoyer

[tacit oyster]

yeah my plan is basically all the chores for 1st relic and then 8x xp rate for 50 thieving for house key and valuable tasks to hit 80 tasks for karamja (if it even is 80 tasks)

[dull imp]

I would but wife/work. 6 hour logs more important

[lapis flax]

i mean i am 🤣

[dull imp]

Abundance would be so nice for moonlight antelopes at 81

[lapis flax]

i get most people aint taking it but for my route the plus 10 levels boost gets me going way quicker

[dull imp]

Yeah abundance is the speed run to dragon then stop Strat

Eh is the completionist imo

[lapis flax]

i havent even accounted for 80/200 point hunter tasks yet

[dull imp]

Hunter list by itself is 3200 points

[lapis flax]

im not doing either but abundance also kinda turns transmute into golden god

[dull imp]

Not to mention all the wc you can do while doing hunter rumors

[lapis flax]

kinda

not really but almost

if you squint

[lapis flax]

ye

[dull imp]

I can knock out oak log task and burn em at pyre foxes

Same for normal logs, not sure if willows are close to a hunter mob

[steady sparrow]

can you put the crystal blessing into the quiver?

[dull imp]

Then also all the fletching tasks

[dull imp]

No, blessing and ammo don’t mix

[tranquil pond]

no, but you can put your ammo in your quiver and the blessing in the regular slot i think

[lapis flax]

im not account for all those though because the tasks arent revealed yet, im just loking at the guaranteed revealed tasks for now and ive already fairly easily gotten to t3 so with all the extra hunter tasks im sure ill be t4 before i even think about moving on from varla anyway

[steady sparrow]

dang so cant use crystal and blessing with a tbow

[lapis flax]

i burn them with woodsman togggle on my route

[dull imp]

Yeah that’s what I meant

[lapis flax]

2 birds stoned at once kinda deal

[dull imp]

And then toggle off to fletch

[lost herald]

im just gonna do wintertodt

[lapis flax]

exactly

[dull imp]

Keegz wear a yellow cape

[lapis flax]

LOL

[dull imp]

Since we’re rumor rushing 🙂

[lapis flax]

so we can spot each other?

🤣

[dull imp]

Ya lol

[tranquil pond]

windertodt the goat

[lapis flax]

sure part of my route is buy an apron i think that store sells yellow capes too

can do that

[dull imp]

Anyone doing the sit in varlamore for a long time, do a yellow cape. Varlamore pride

Were children of the sun 😂

[lapis flax]

brown apron pink skirt yellow cape gang gang

[dull imp]

What’s brown apron for? Task?

[lapis flax]

a horrid cacophony of colours to be sure

[lapis flax]

you have to cook food with an apron on

for a 10 point task

[dull imp]

Varlamore is kinda brown and yellow already

[gray oxide]

neopolitan ice cream with some questionable vanilla

[dull imp]

Ah gotcha ya ill buy that one

[tranquil pond]

what region order are you doing

[lapis flax]

LOL

[lapis flax]

prolly tirn then kand then mory

[tranquil pond]

it's french vanilla

[dull imp]

Ktm for me

[lapis flax]

wanna rush gauntlet

[tranquil pond]

that's why it's offwhite

[dull imp]

So I can knock out clues

[lapis flax]

i know kand will be better for points but

[dull imp]

Before more regions make it worse

I’m gunna use keegz as a how is blind bag going

[lapis flax]

LOL

[tranquil pond]

i'm gonna do kand as soon as possible so i can get barb assault out of the way while people are still doing it

[dull imp]

To determine if I’m bothering with it or not

[lapis flax]

well ill start by going towards the 1tick powered staves for gauntlet then blindbag rush after

[lapis flax]

fair

[tranquil pond]

1 tick powered staves seems genuinely crazy good for so little investment

[dull imp]

If you sit varlamore til culling, you can technically do 200 amox slayer kills lol

And sang staff dps with barely any investment full crystal is nutty

[lapis flax]

im reloading into clue relic so im not doing clues till waaaaay later anyway

[dull imp]

Yeah I wanted theiving plus reload soul

[cursive edge]

Guys do you know if the 10k minimum on sacrificing to deaths coffer is based on like, the full 100% value of the item? or the HA value? or GE value?

[dull imp]

So no turbo clues unless I keep regions locked

[cursive edge]

Addy plate for example, can you sacrifice that? HA is 9984, but full value is like 16k

[lapis flax]

no idea about deaths coffer tbh

[lapis flax]

do you reckon 22 vale totems gets me bowstring spool and greenman statue? 🤣

i think the spool is like a 1/500

😩

[dull imp]

Doubt

But get 99 fletch

Cuz woodsman

So many people are going ktm lol it’s probably like the easiest pact points region combos

[lapis flax]

im not putting 99's on my task list for now, but i might end up going for 99 hunter at least just cause 16x with woodsman

ill wait till higher xp mult for fletch prolly

[copper gorge]

HA value. GE means nothing to ironman

[old tapir]

yama having a water weakness is actually surprisingly clutch for me

[tranquil pond]

oh damn, a 50% one at that

[dull imp]

Yeah I’m gunna do vale totems after 99 hunter for points

[tranquil pond]

and really bad magic defenses

[dull imp]

Then on 12x go back for 50m hunter

[old tapir]

i'm looking at glyphic attenuation

[dull imp]

Then on 16x go for 200m fletch or hunter

[old tapir]

where he has 666 magic defense

[tranquil pond]

oh

[old tapir]

but i could still get like 40% accuracy on him

and that's pretty good

[lapis flax]

with kand ig you just buy out arrows from ranging guild ye?

[tranquil pond]

with the 5% chance to max hit per tile?

or is that without

[dull imp]

That or free supplies with culling for broad arrow packs

[tranquil pond]

regardless, the radiant oathplate grind might actually not be that bad as a full water mage

[molten gust]

Since I can’t remember. Does the hydra tail drop as a full dragonbone necklace combo?

[old tapir]

its not chance to max hit, its chance to max accuracy

[lapis flax]

true youll get culling by 16x anyway

[tranquil pond]

right, sorry, misspoke

[old tapir]

so i suppose you're guaranteed to hit if you're far from him yeah

[copper gorge]

Nah just fletch unf bows. Honestly vale totems drops a shitload of xp

[dull imp]

Probably gunna make a shit ton of headless arrows while doing rumors

[old tapir]

i'll have to keep that in mind

[tranquil pond]

eh, at best 50% with a regular staff or 40% with the quadrangle

[dull imp]

For the 50m arrows gunna be faster/ more chill

[lapis flax]

yeah but with arrows you can get 200m fletch while doing other stuff

[dull imp]

Vale totems only til their tasks are done

Might stay to green log for collection step

[old tapir]

does the fork have less range than typical elemental staves?

[dull imp]

No

[tranquil pond]

i'm like 70% certain i heard somewhere it was only 8 range

which felt weird and arbitrary

[cursive edge]

certain its HA and not the full value? As HA is 60% of the full value of an item

[old tapir]

blog page does say 8 range yeah

hmmm

[dull imp]

10 tiles defensive

[tranquil pond]

but people were saying shit like "it can't hit zuk at certain spots"

[cursive edge]

I've just cooked up a 103 step starting route for the league lmao

[dull imp]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Shadowflame_quadrant