leagues-general

[tacit oyster]

soul shards should work as pure essence but not sure about the zeah altars

[rich rune]

Diary reward, from kandarin, wouldn't make sense to give it to you in Tyra for free.

[tranquil pond]

definitely not, but it still feels like they're getting shafted

[grizzled adder]

if you go EH/Woodsman/x/Butler/Larcenist/culling/soul harvest (reload) - whats the hardest skill to get to 50M - agil? so you pretty much have to pick mory as a region for suplchre..

whats the worst 50m grind after agil with that setup.. cons?

[tranquil pond]

because they're not a real region

[rich rune]

I'd agree if crystal blessing wasn't stupid OP.

[stiff hinge]

picking mory solely for sepulchre sounds awful

[grizzled adder]

i'm not happy about it but taking hotfoot seems like a waste of T2

[tranquil pond]

mory's at least just a very solid region for various builds too

i was initially considering a mory/tiranwinn/something melee build

[stiff hinge]

oh yeah absolutely

but like

not for THAT reason

[tranquil pond]

yeah

true

[gilded totem]

EH,FF,EE,Transmution,Larcenist, CS, Reload->Conniving Clues,Ex

[rich rune]

I hate Tyra, it's too small to be a leagues region imo. But it has powerful stuff in it. Not just the crystal blessing, but skilling and point solves.

[grizzled adder]

aren't transmute bros gonna get sick of transmuting coal drops 6 tiers up to runite, 10 ores at a time?

[tranquil pond]

agreed, it feels odd that it gets its own thing, when it's basically a single questline and that's it

[stiff hinge]

it autofires like GG did in leagues 5 / grid, so you just have to do one stack at a time, and the value gain is so huge that it's perfectly fine as a zero-time thing to do

[tacit oyster]

Checking how zeah altar works it should be possible to use soul shards on it same as normal altar, 1 shard = 1 rune

[grizzled adder]

butler seems like the 0.1%ile IQ and 99.9%ile IQ move and transmute in the middle

[tranquil pond]

the way i see it, i'm going EH, and hotfoot synergizes pretty well to just auto-cook or smelt stuff

[stiff hinge]

figure out how much money you need, spend 1% of that on iron ore or coal, autofire transmute while you're doing literally anything else

[grizzled adder]

it's definitely a great synergy, but cooking you don't really need the help to get to 50M, smithing probably get almost enough bars from pvm drops

[rich rune]

No because it's passive.

[tranquil pond]

dunno, butler just feels the safest, i doubt i'd ever regret taking butler, but i could see myself regretting transmute if i don't feel like i've been using it enough

[dull imp]

no cuz its afk

[rich rune]

Did I ever get tired of clicking gg once last leagues?

You just let it rock

[grizzled adder]

i didn't catch that anywhere, so you can one click transmute copper ore, and 8 * 3 game ticks later you have 10 runite ore?

[dull imp]

no you click a stack of noted items, it goes to next tier, repeat

so you do it with tons of noted shit

[stiff hinge]

i believe you have to manually refresh once each stack is done

[rich rune]

You take big stock of coal, click trannsmute. It stops when it runs out of stack. Repeat until rune ore.

[dull imp]

main thing its crazy useful for is skilling fixes

[rich rune]

And boss rush

[dull imp]

need a lower or higher resource and have a base of x, you can make it so

[grizzled adder]

ah got it ok thats a lot nicer than clicking every 10 lots every tier

[tranquil pond]

being able to have exactly the mats you need at any given time sounds super nice

[stiff hinge]

so you get a stack of 2k iron, click transmute, an hour later it's a stack of coal, click transmute, an hour later it's a stack of mith etc.

[dull imp]

also free superior bones

and free max ashes

[rich rune]

If you're a mage, this is the fastest way to surge

[tranquil pond]

i plan to just use EH and harvest more than i could realistically need

[grizzled adder]

what skills does transmutation rly solve 50M xp for tho? prayer i guess, mage

[dull imp]

eh pairs well with transmute cuz of the item fixing

prayer, mage, farming

runecrafting if you need pure ess

money

crafting

[tranquil pond]

soul harvest is probably a better solve for prayer, same with runecrafting

transmute does a LOT really well

[dull imp]

woodsman is my prayer solve

[tranquil pond]

but i don't think it's best at any individual thing

[rich rune]

How so?

[dull imp]

200m hunter should be enough blessing shards to go hard on prayer

and 32x xp rumor turn ins

gunna go hard

[wary egret]

Can’t wait to kill 500 cows to start the league then cash in the bones and hides for transmute

[dull imp]

200k per turn in and if you dont do bad regions you can do perma moonlight in the basement

[tranquil pond]

what are people picking for t8?
minion looks to be the best for lazy people (me)

[stiff hinge]

fwiw to answer the original question about agility
any of wilderness, kandarin, tirannwn can give ~65-68k exp per hour compared to last floor sepulchre's ~98k
yes it's a gap, i don't think it's anywhere near a region-pick-worthy difference

[stiff hinge]

flask because it passes the vibe check

[dull imp]

i think moonlight antelope is gunna be the best to do since its 1/15 for rumor piece

and youll get seeds from trapping

and food and bones

[tranquil pond]

honestly, based, it's a LOT of damage, while also being the best "oh shit" button you could ask for

minion swapping damage types will be nice for me since i'm going all in on mage

[grizzled adder]

I really wanna take it but feel like BB will be better for 50M every skill.. prayer solved by woodsman, mage by super buffed combat, farming by global tick speed increase, RC/prayer by soul harvest, crafting by larcenist...

[latent rune]

I think flask paires well with a water mage, as a panic button

[tranquil pond]

crafting by larcenist? what's the thing being pickpocketed

[stiff hinge]

gem stalls

[tranquil pond]

man, leagues is making me learn so much stuff i'd never thought of before

[grizzled adder]

10x unc diamonds from stalls, like 5m/hr craft xp on 16x

[tranquil pond]

arguably, it's the opposite i think, the heal isn't really needed, and water mage damage is on the lower end compared to some other builds

[rich rune]

Flask because with the ~60 dps I'll get on elemental weak creatures it's 113 max guaranteed making its effective drain rate 6.5 s per second (not accounting for small chance of missing), taking the 3 minute timer to ~30 seconds. I'm going to use it offensively.

[wary egret]

I know I’m going to take transmute and butler, just don’t know which one to take first. T7 is a long time to wait for either of them

[latent rune]

Lower dps yea trade off is the sustainability

[stiff hinge]

6.4dps minion would be really nice for, say, vardo where mage dps is kinda shit unless you go powered staff and shadow him(which i'm not)

but you know what else sounds really nice?

[grizzled adder]

yeah its like 1M/hr vs 1.5M hr at 99, like a 15-20hr shorter grind but not a deal breaker i guess

[tranquil pond]

what build are you aiming for with numbers like that? air mage?

[stiff hinge]

"bleed this, idiot" and skipping the enrage phase with a 180 damage nuke to the face

[dull imp]

i think flask will help cheese awakened's and echos

[tranquil pond]

is minion auto-loot literally ever going to matter?

[dull imp]

minion will be if you dont wanna cheese but wanna do tons of raiding

[dull imp]

looting is xp waste

[tranquil pond]

ha

[rich rune]

Air mage, with 6% from nodes, 2% magic bonus from something in the body or leg slot. And 50 prayer.

[naive needle]

i will hit a 28 chain blindbag on the crab

[stiff hinge]

60dps sounds like the kind of numbers you get on something with a 50% weakness and not all that much mage/def

[wary egret]

Surely we’ll be 93 slayer before t8 right?

[stiff hinge]

if you do slayer, yes

[tranquil pond]

i plan to do most of my combat training via slayer, so hopefully

[rich rune]

There's certain thresholds for maxes that are worth taking with the right gear in our that will shoot the dps post the 50 mark you see

[stiff hinge]

65dps air mage on lava dragons teehee

[rich rune]

It requires grimoire or Kandi to achieve max dps with air mage

[mint stone]

Can we train slayer in varlamore? Or karamja is the 1st unlock forit

[latent rune]

I will have to focus on Slayer as my goal is to get to the Thermo echo for its weapon

[dull imp]

chaldar for varlamore

[stiff hinge]

almost 80 on pyrefiends

[naive needle]

500+ burst damage with blindbag

[stiff hinge]

i think ancients are bait for dps because they don't benefit from the 1.4x damage extra hit from quadrant

[tranquil pond]

just get lucky

[naive needle]

let's go gambling!

[random sky]

would it be trolling to take grimoire for TMK regions?

[flint path]

Bout to just to have a dice roll decide my first area and go from there. so many choices running around

[tranquil pond]

what would you be taking it for?

[rich rune]

It's for preserve and mystical wig our. Preserve need for max dps on all targets. Low level str, Attack, def prayer better on all targets than Augury. Mystic vigour + low level def prayer is better than Augury on high def like vasa. We will not by costing Ancients.

[stiff hinge]

ah, i see

[tranquil pond]

Yeah, ancients are basically only for aoe this league

Im getting ancients because bursting slayer tasks as water mage sounds super chill

[mint stone]

Kandarin and don't look back

[random sky]

flexibility mostly. I plan to try out the water thorns build, ballista memes, and hally blindbags

[stiff hinge]

i think the high-dps single target wildy slayer sounds comfy even if it's not as good as bursting devils or w/e

[random sky]

but wondering if i should just take culling spree

[stiff hinge]

but taking ancients for aoe is probably valid yeah

[tranquil pond]

Dunno if youd need grimoires for that then

[random sky]

grimoire nice for the mage prayer if i get a shadow with crystal blessing

[tranquil pond]

Grimoire is most vital for airmage that doesnt go zeah, or anyone thay wants ancients

[rich rune]

I might just chin slayer tbh

[pliant temple]

doing tam dogger/thorns build and at some point ill respec to blind bag hally to try it out thats my final decision

[random sky]

could also try air mage since im in kand

[stiff hinge]

i wonder how early you can get 50 prayer bonus if you go all in on trying to rush air mage

[mint stone]

For raiding probably best to go full surge build if going mage?

[tranquil pond]

Yeah, true, air mage only requires grimoire/zeah, and kandarin

[rich rune]

Doesn't matter gotta solve slayer

No thermy no airmage

[random sky]

grimoire just feels the most flexible option yeah

[rich rune]

Culling too good if airmage

[random sky]

what

[stiff hinge]

yeah true i guess, nothing relevant is weak to air i think

[tranquil pond]

I dont plan to respec because im paranoid about being stuck as a class i dont like for one reason or another

[stiff hinge]

wait what the fuck? air elementals in the elemental workshop are weak to air lmfao

[rich rune]

You're slayer locked.

[tranquil pond]

Huh

[random sky]

I am going kand last tho

tir>mory>kand

im gonna have slayer by time i hit kand

[rich rune]

You cannot come online without elemental staff, so you really need to be able to kill thermy, it's the most important thing in your build

[tranquil pond]

Plus, if you dont plan to rush air mage, then you dont even have to reroll until you have it

[stiff hinge]

wait, thermy is weak to air 🤔

[random sky]

its not my primary build

im not rushing airmage

[stiff hinge]

only 20% but still

[random sky]

probably rushing powered staves, going cg

then get the staff from gargs

[tranquil pond]

I think the moment i get the devils element and quadrangle staff, i'll literally never use any other weapons ever again

[rich rune]

Depends on regions, you are forced to melee tek in CM, very easy to get better dps than 33% of your air dps at melee hand, you hit guardians with pick or your fist

Usually though yea, if no immunity or damage reduce

You don't

[stiff hinge]

20% of your air dps

[rich rune]

CM tek immune, no?

[stiff hinge]

tekton is a real bitch

[tranquil pond]

Assuming i can achieve full air though

Thats more aspirational

[stiff hinge]

i don't think so? -80% damage from mage, immune to range

[tranquil pond]

I'll probably be water mage most of the time

[random sky]

wait, could you safespot tekton with a hally?

[rich rune]

You're correct, it's just binding immune.

[pearl sapphire]

Anyone know if mods have calrified will salve amulet stack with culling spree slayer effect

[tacit oyster]

no, since it is same as slayer helm in calc

[stiff hinge]

air mage with 14 pacts for 3t spells, air staff, dagon'hai does ~7.67 dps to echo thermy, adding prayer bonus ramps the dps up fairly quickly

i think it has potential

[rich rune]

Tekton is the real bitch though, melee hand isn't much better.

Head we blast with air spells still

Range isn't easy to splash in to

[tacit oyster]

for most mage/range builds you are better off using your main style for all of olm, unless you specifically went tribrid pacts

max mage shadow with no mage pacts loses to max pact crossbow on mage hand

[stiff hinge]

what i would think of as "echo thermy prebis" for my setup is dagonhai, ardy 2, bonecrusher, blessing, accursed, antler guard, confliction, ring of gods (i), no boots
comes out to 13.7 dps on thermy whiiiiiich is not actually correct because echo thermy doesn't have the elemental weakness

[tacit oyster]

tekton still pain for range since have to bring melee weapon or king's barrage i guess

[rich rune]

You will, it doesn't actually take that many points.

[stiff hinge]

but 10dps is fine, 2 minute kills means a maximum worst case of two hours to get the loot

[tranquil pond]

I plan to go water mage first, then just fill out points later rather than respec

So air mage only comes online at like ~32 pacts or something

[stiff hinge]

oh i forgot to even turn on bonus prayers for air dps

[tacit oyster]

anyone know how high you would need to scale CM cox to max points in league?

[stiff hinge]

you can get 20dps on thermy (although regular with the 20% weakness and not echo thermy) without echo thermy drops if you go air first

that's still like 16dps on a boss that is, if i'm reading the wiki right, very easy to have very good uptime on, with very little unavoidable damage

it was probably more annoying to kill vorkath in gridmaster lol

[rich rune]

You can still do that, you need to hit 6% with nodes and +4% magic in gear for big dps threshold. Don't worry about that. You can achieve very good dps with like 5 magic nodes. Water is inner path, so closer to your elemental tick speed node. You aren't too far from the air branch, just climb up it after. I'm personally pathing around the overheal node and only going deep in to air

[stiff hinge]

i'm honestly not sure about going water first now that i look at how much damage you can get so early with air

[rich rune]

Oh the thermy fight isn't going to be hard. Regular thermy is farcastable, echo is also piss easy.

20 dps is 1/3 of your peak, and still less than half of your Ez final build.

That's what I mean by "come online"

We aren't going air mage to do 20 dps and heal prayer

Culling is to get the level to fight thermy

He has a slayer req

[stiff hinge]

"coming online" means "being functional", though, and double max mage main game dps with gear you scrabble together incidentally from getting slayer is definitely what i would call "online"

yeah i know

it's very funny looking at the kandarin pact tasks and going "wait, this is just oops all average-90 slayer"

[rich rune]

In order to mage EVERYTHING with air

And get the ele bonus

You need the echo

The build isn't a build without the echo

It's a party trick at air bosses without it

[tacit oyster]

i think i found funny solution to doing olm mage hand with range build early. olm doesnt seem to be immune to burns so you could do drygore blowpipe burns + eclipse atlatl spec for mage hand since atlatl spec is magic damage

[gilded totem]

who's soloing Olm? Take a team. I guess you're support then though

[stiff hinge]

burn is 5 damage per 4 ticks at most

[tacit oyster]

yeah but atlatl spec can turn it into instant magic damage and let you stack burn again since it has cap of 5 unless they coded new burn for drygore

[rich rune]

I might send some solos, iirc, you don't all get purps like the other raids

[stiff hinge]

oh i see i forgot

[rich rune]

With the TTK, I'm unsure if burns matter much

You could prob just point invest a tiny bit in to 1t powered staves

Don't need a ton of invest, and likely way better

You're more than likely grabbing the all accuracy stuff anyway

Making a mistake if you aren't

[tacit oyster]

yes if you go for tribrid you can do swaps but that is -1 respec

[rich rune]

I'm only doing mage, all combat accuracy, and a minimal 1kg weapon investment to solve damage reduction at cox

I feel like you sorta gotta pick one, splash another, suffer through the last

Range is the easiest to ignore unfortunately for cox

[stiff hinge]

i have no idea how many points is reasonable for a moderately competent cm cox clear but it does benefit from drop rate and with prayer drop weight decreased, so i could see the number of uniques being pretty good

[rich rune]

I think the game plan with my Zeah friends is doing 3+12 CM trios

After we get preserve

[stiff hinge]

a friend of mine got a tbow on 38.7k at 4.46% solo

[austere depot]

My region pact tasks are like
Kill corp and nex or something idk
Radiant Oathplate, 25 CoX KC

Thanks Zeah

[stiff hinge]

cox kc with a group is not actually that bad

[rich rune]

Cox kc isn't bad at all tbh, you'll achieve main game dps pretty quickly in leagues

[austere depot]

Yeah was gonna do that anyway tbh

[rich rune]

Radiant othplate tho, yea...

[stiff hinge]

i don't know how i feel about radiant oathplate

my experience with yama is from gridmaster. i don't think i got any contracts i bothered doing. it was fine/10

[rich rune]

Believe in the 50% water weakness 🙏

[stiff hinge]

i feel like the huge dps potential is high enough that the learning curve for the contracts that can really fuck you will just not be all that bad, yeah

[rich rune]

That's the hope, leagues has typically been so much dps that you ignore half of the mechanics.

[stiff hinge]

also i just learned that confliction has a very funny "every mage attack after a missed hit rolls accuracy twice" passive

[rich rune]

A lot of last leagues tob was figuring out which mechanics were faster to not ignore lol

[stiff hinge]

and it just drops for free from doom

[rich rune]

"yea we should prob actually freeze crabs at maiden"

[stiff hinge]

yeahhhh

5man teams can dps fast enough to ignore the crabs but it's a bit of a gamble versus at least freezing some of them lol

[rich rune]

At bloat we purposely ran early to proc undying

Dying was hard to do lol

255 stats were good

[rich rune]

Oh you don't need to, but it was faster to have one person like north freeze all

[stiff hinge]

yeah

[tacit oyster]

i did radiant oathplate in gridmaster but only got to transmog 1 piece since aether runes would have taken 5+ hours per piece

[stiff hinge]

kek

[rich rune]

On that note, we can transmute in to aether... Right?

[stiff hinge]

nope

air water earth fire chaos nature cosmic law death astral blood soul wrath

no combo runes

[tacit oyster]

cannot transmute aether runes, they did remove aether requirement from radiant oathplate in league

[rich rune]

🙏

I was about to rethink my entire leagues existence

[stiff hinge]

lol

[limpid lava]

Last leagues from doing 3 man cms it took me 8 raids to not see a purple

Can’t wait to scuffed gear wind mage olm

[gilded totem]

Wonder if Shadow would count as a Fire weapon since it's charged with blood runes

[limpid lava]

Sadly all powered staffs are none elemental

[gilded totem]

oof

[limpid lava]

If that gargoyle staff was earth tho that flat damage would be awesome

[gilded totem]

What's our best non charged staff?

[stiff hinge]

shadow quadrant

if you are doing non-powered-staff mage, you go kandarin and get everything handed to you on a silver platter, it's that simple

i would say wildy for funsies

i'm doing WKZ myself

[gilded totem]

using the wiki's dps calc, and it's looking like Asgarnia, Kourend, Desert is going to give you most dps with ZCB, with just the raw numbers in gives back, but there's so many other factors so who knows.

I still can't post images though, dunno how I get those perms

[stiff hinge]

i picked kandarin for the free mage since i wanted to mage, zeah for a raid and then wildy for shits and giggles

[gilded totem]

Those echoes throw off the calcs hard saying you can max hit 457dmg, on a 1/10,000 chance

[stiff hinge]

kandarin mage really is just "alright, time to pick 2 zones for vibes and fun"

[rich rune]

If you're in your vestments by cox, you're dps is already cracked

There won't be any scuff about it

[rich rune]

💯 correct, you can achieve the 50 prayer without devout and bone neck my using stole and echo boots

So Zeah is a "do I grimmy or go Zeah" for preserve.

Tyranwin is the only region when picked with Zeah/grimmy that I could really eek more than a 60 dps calc and it was like 0.2 more

[cursive edge]

zeah bonecrusher neck + radas + devout enables you to wear a virtus top as well

so it is a solid dps boost

[rich rune]

It's def the best second region choice for air made

[cursive edge]

im very tempted to do a wind mage + KB max hit hybrid build

K + Z + W

[rich rune]

Be aware rotg will not be imbued, so no more air dps will be extracted

[cursive edge]

yes it will?

with Kandarin

i can NMZ it no

[rich rune]

Oh, are you also going mory?

[cursive edge]

err

[rich rune]

Otherwise, no holy wrench

[cursive edge]

oh

[rich rune]

Yep

Trust, thought the same thing

[cursive edge]

what a spanner that throws into everything

ty

[rich rune]

Happy to help!

Still great dps though regardless of 3rd selection.

[naive needle]

there's a non-0% chance to hit 696 damage with 8 pact points

[cursive edge]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=TallCandlestickExplosive

eh it still looks good tho

idea is that I don't literally gear switch every single attack, cause fuck that

[rich rune]

I think I was able to push a 114 max or just eek a tiny bit more accuracy (which will be helped by distance, I was doing 1 tile calcs) the dps was not significantly increased coming from 113

[cursive edge]

but I have an easy 2-3 way switch to KB when i need to heal

or to freeze stuff

rather than casting ice barrage

and I have strong range for CoX

[rich rune]

Don't need range at cox outside of head

[cursive edge]

sure, but head

cant just ignore it

[rich rune]

One phase, and I fully intend to ignore it and have the homies flask.

[stiff hinge]

simply bring friend

[cursive edge]

id like to be soloing

but well see

[stiff hinge]

the ultimate raid tool

[rich rune]

I don't know any rangers, I'm really not worried about head phase

You can't ignore melee

[stiff hinge]

on a related note i was surprised to learn that the wildy bosses are coop-enabled for irons

that's a funny trick

[rich rune]

All of them or just the multi?

[cursive edge]

I think all you can do is mage the melee hand

16 dps or so, + minion 6.5 dps

[tacit oyster]

you can mage head for 33% damage, king's barrage in wiki calc atleast only deal 65% damage to head since 2nd bolt is reduced to 33% effectiveness

[cursive edge]

yeah id use RCB and then DHCB for olm head

[stiff hinge]

just the OGs, not the baby ones

[cursive edge]

KB just for healing when needed

[rich rune]

Nope you tent whip with 1kg or you take asg to get hound with 1kg as about 10-15% more melee dps (ignoring spec because it's broken in calcs)

[cursive edge]

general idea is, throwing out a KB hit is way less of a DPS loss than a wind surge

since it does more dmg itself, and gives me a 25% buff on my next wind surge

and gets a 25% buff on itself

[tacit oyster]

I would probably run this on my 2nd account for fun. TKZ regions with tribrid pacts (also node for powered staff)

[cursive edge]

right but then youre speccing into melee tree instead. What dps do you get with tent whip and those points, out of curiosity? on olm melee hand

[rich rune]

Don't have the calcs in front of me. But somewhere like 20-25.

Do you have a tekton answer?

[cursive edge]

also mage + minion

lel

[tacit oyster]

can mage tekton for 20% dps on mage if you dont do melee pacts

[rich rune]

Consider melee and not doing 20% of your damage.

[stiff hinge]

3 people doing callisto with equal damage is better unique chance per person than artio with ~3/4 the required damage dealt each

[cursive edge]

but melee already does like 50% of your mage dmg

its saying 8.25 mage dps on tekton, then +6.8 minion

[rich rune]

Which is way more than 20%

[cursive edge]

so 15 dps combined

seems alright

what does whip get?

[rich rune]

Imagine it was 20

[cursive edge]

oes whip even reach 20?

[rich rune]

Tek more like 20 tbh iirc

[cursive edge]

tekton is pretty tanky

nd weak to crush not slash

[stiff hinge]

you could mass callisto with 10 people and drop him in like 20 seconds. not bad at all

[rich rune]

I'll send you my relic invest

[cursive edge]

ya pls do

[rich rune]

I'll dm

No pic priv

[cursive edge]

lmao last league I was last recall + khopeshing it solo in 10s, if that

[tacit oyster]

with light melee pacts whip can get to 20 dps on tekton but that is - 15 pact points

[cursive edge]

and a bunch of gear switches

which tbh is prob fine

how much hp does tekton even have in a solo cm?

450hp, so 30s kill in mage + minion

im kinda sad that I've realised how much dps you actually lose by being forced to move with a 1t staff

so many bosses have you moving like half the time.. so thats half your dps gone lmfao

makes me way less keen to do powered staff thornser

dps is great on paper, like 45

but in reality its gonna be maybe 25-30 vs a lot of bosses

some i can stand still, many i cant

[tacit oyster]

i would probably run first 25 or so cox in this before i go to full crossbow, dont really care about any mega rare so would do toa for shadow before cox

dont have any good mage weapons so its either range mage hand or get shadow before cox. not sure if i spec to crossbow before shadow though

same points amount with rune crossbow would be 8.5 dps on olm hands

only if with shadow would tribrid be better than crossbow build for olm

[solemn kiln]

are there tasks reveal today?

[tacit oyster]

i think they release varlamore easy&medium tasks today or tomorrow

[naive needle]

if I sub today, would I be able to stack it with the usual league memebership deal that's been released with previous leagues?

[stiff hinge]

late but that was intended as the "showing up early with the unwashed masses for free kc and maybe a shot at loot" kind of framing
callisto is a very mageable boss you can probably get 45dps on air mage or something

[stiff hinge]

3t ele mage wins again kek

[cursive edge]

lmao

yeah 3t is kinda ideal speed

[brave tangle]

does crystal blessing work with kings barrage? or does it not work for all range weapons

[cursive edge]

doesnt work

[brave tangle]

ty

[misty vessel]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-101-11-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-157-161-164-165-17-18-2-3-4-43-5-55-58-59-6-62-63-7-73-74-80-82-83-86-87-9-92-94-96
build ok? prolly going ATM

[tacit oyster]

probably too much max overhealing since every hit already consumes 5 overheal

[misty vessel]

it isn't guaranteed, it's a chance to consume?

"can" consume, don't know percentage atm

or am i stupid?

[tacit oyster]

even if blingbag hits do not consume overheal you would need to hit 45 times with 7 tile distance to get to 188 overheal (+90% overheal from all 3 pacts)

[misty vessel]

ok, i'm gonna take only 1 overheal

[potent quail]

Are dragon imps spawns buffed in leagues?
Saw multiple people say it may be a league task or a good way to farm resources

[misty vessel]

News post said imps in general are buffed

[dusk wharf]

Increased spawn rate of implings (and increased rare implings)
Dragon implings drop reduced dragon bones

[potent quail]

Well in 1 attack

Ah nvm

[stone basin]

Hey all 👋🏻 do we know if there’s a time when leagues will start on Wednesday? Or is it just normal update time?

[tacit oyster]

usually 1-2 hours after update but no information about time from jagex

[mint stone]

Are we getting the task list today/tomorrow?

[lapis flax]

we are not getting task list before release

only the easy and medium varlamore tasks

[tacit oyster]

no info, jmods did say they wanted to give easy&medium varlamore before launch. Not guaranteed to even get that

[tacit oyster]

at least range/melee wiki dps calc should be working better tonight, they will try to get echo/blindbag calculation to match what jmods have on their side

watch melee blindbag jump from 30 dps to 60 dps

[mint stone]

Blade of Salad blindbag maybe?

5 colorful blades 😄

[cursive edge]

man i hope the surge spell fountain of rune tech works

[odd idol]

whats most dps build

[copper gorge]

Man i hope my glass cannon approach works lol

[cloud panther]

half tempted to go zeah but I find the yama contracts so frustrating

[cursive edge]

air prayer at the moment

[bleak depot]

Does Crystal blessing apply Crystal properties to non Crystal weapons like kings barrage like the accuracy and bonus damage

[copper gorge]

Does not work with range

Works with all melee and powered staff

[alpine peak]

thoguht blessing helped all 3 combats this leagues

[cloud panther]

outside of crystal bow and bowfa it doesn't help ranged

[odd idol]

whats that

[cloud panther]

a build focusing on air magic and needing 50 Prayer bonus which will give it 100% chance of doing max damage every attack

[dusk wharf]

Anyone going Barbarian Gathering over Endless Harvest?

[austere depot]

Considering it, mostly because I'll have Asgarnia+Zeah though

And Wilderness for PvM supplies so I can mine amethyst without missing smithing supplies too much

And chop redwoods without missing construction supplies

[dusk wharf]

I was considering it for the agility xp gains but im on the fence

[dusty forge]

I'm considering KTM with EH>Woodsman>EE>BB>Larcenist>CS>Reload:SH>FoF, not having the 50m Agility solve from Hotfoot makes me want to take Barb Gathering instead of EH.

[dusk wharf]

99 mining, woodcutting & fishing would get me that 4M agility exp

[dusty forge]

Don't think sitting at barb fishing with EH is good enough for agi xp

[somber meadow]

so if i go endless harvest woodsman early whats my money solve until transmutation?

[austere depot]

You can get 99 agi by doing the 50M tasks for the three gathering skills, but then you are doing 50M gathering tasks without the EH QoL

[cloud panther]

I got a solve for everything but Agil

[tacit oyster]

also with BG if you do asgarnia you can do 200m mining for your 200m non-combat skill which would result in total of 30m agility and 30m str xp

[austere depot]

Oh is amethyst actually good enough to go for the 200M with it?

I saw the charts and that it beats everything else like 5-fold but even then it's mining so I wasn't sure lol

[dusk wharf]

What are you all using reload on ?

I was thinking of going for butlers bell first, then reloading back to transmute since i'll have so many resources then to transmute with it

It's my first leagues though so i am not even sure how long it takes to get to tier 7

at that point i might not even need it

🤷‍♂️

It's nice he can make all my planks for construction and unfinished potions for herb though

[austere depot]

That does seem like a fun combo, I was thinking Soul Harvest but I don't need it at all for prayer and might just dump lamps onto runecraft... So not sure

[tacit oyster]

i will either reload into conniving clues or do flow state, nothing else really helps me that much

[dusk wharf]

With transmutation, you can downgrade air runes from your invent into unnoted pure essence right? I was thinking of that for runecrafting just stand beside the altar

[austere depot]

There's usually enough variety in tasks that you can sort of play around mostly doing tasks enabled by your relics so far and avoiding ones that you're waiting for a relic for, but it might not be the optimal path, and T7 is quite late even by that standard yeah...

[cloud panther]

doing that causes the essence to be noted

[dusk wharf]

ah rip to that idea then

[cloud panther]

The only relic that affects RC directly is soul harvest

[dusk wharf]

Where did you see that it will note them

[cloud panther]

my plan was to reload to soul harvest

[austere depot]

I'll have 50 billion pure essence from Larran chests but idk what to actually do with it lol

[tacit oyster]

transmute needs teleport near an altar to really benefit rc. depends on regions and if you take map of alacrity or not

even at 16x multiplier it takes around 100k pure essence to reach 99 rc

[austere depot]

Yeah and I really don't wanna run 100k pure essence

[tacit oyster]

40k if you do aether runes i guess

[austere depot]

Should have like 4M exp from achievement diary lamps though

[tacit oyster]

but getting 40k aether catalyst is also hard

[austere depot]

But forgetting about the pure essence for a bit... Map of Alacrity with Zeah runecrafting looks pretty great actually

[cloud panther]

I believe a dev mentioned it

[tacit oyster]

if you have flow state it would be very good

[austere depot]

I was gonna take Evil Eye because it's the only one with significant Wilderness teleports

[copper gorge]

T7 this year is kind of a joke.

[cloud panther]

the true blood alter has a shortcut near it. idk if the teleport will go to it tho

[copper gorge]

By that point you should already kind of be at later game content

So reloading to really anything below t5 is almost a waste unless you went for clue for points

[austere depot]

But using a T3 relic for runecraft seems a fair bit better than dedicating T7 to it

[tacit oyster]

T7 is decent, can fix any gaps in your build or take general skilling speed boost

[copper gorge]

By that point though youre already at like 20k+ league points

[austere depot]

Then T7 Flow state would be a lot more general than reload into Soul harvest

[austere depot]

Yeah but you probably won't be done with all 50M tasks by that point

[copper gorge]

Flow state and reload that are kind useless.

[warm bridge]

is prayer penetration really needed

[austere depot]

Especially if you plan around your relic progression

[tacit oyster]

yeah t7 is bad for people going for adamant rank unless they want both grimoire and culling spree to have fun

[copper gorge]

Only good if youre going for points / dragon trophy

Im taking culling spree and sus

[tacit oyster]

or infinite food i guess

[copper gorge]

I think thats the play

[dusk wharf]

For those not going friendly forager what are you doing about secondaries for potion making? I like that it saves 90% secondaries but I am thinking I can tackle herblore by purchasing mass eyes of newt and making super attacks? Any better ideas please LMK

[copper gorge]

Going glass cannon mage with thrown and a little range echo tree

[austere depot]

Sustenance is good if your build needs, well, sustenance

[tacit oyster]

echo bosses, cg, toa really only places that use prayers

[copper gorge]

Or if like me, you just want to brute force bosses

[copper gorge]

You get a fair amount of herbs from bossing. Woodsman gives herb and tree seeds. You just gotta do farm runs semi consistently

[cloud panther]

hum

[warm bridge]

im doing KZW as a mager so only really the echo bosses and demonics

[copper gorge]

Transmuting seeds down / up to where i need

[dusk wharf]

Herbs i can get no problem, it's the secondaries that are a pain no?

[warm bridge]

which i can always just change wep

[copper gorge]

KTD for me

[cloud panther]

I kinda wanna go Zeah but I dread doing all 5 yama contracts. Idk crap about Yama

[copper gorge]

I mean that really all depends. I dont think youre gunna be using a shitload of potions

Its more so about what YOU want to do in leagues

[dusk wharf]

I am planning to max though so just need enough for 99

[cloud panther]

anyone have any idea how hard Yama will be as a pure mage doing all contracts?

[copper gorge]

Mastering mixology

What are you planning for areas seny

[austere depot]

I'm gonna be chugging through them like crazy :( Unless I can actually be bothered flicking Rigour then maybe not but it's definitely tempting to take Friendly Forager for infinite prayer regens

[potent quail]

Throw it into the dps calc?
But should be signifiant faster then in the main game

[alpine peak]

master mix what area ?

[copper gorge]

Varlamore

[austere depot]

Flicking Rigour with 7t crossbow should be fine actually we'll see

[tacit oyster]

mastering mixology is option without secondaries it is just 5-10 times slower xp/h

[copper gorge]

Sure but if you dont take forager its gunna be slow/semi difficult to gather secondaries.

Already moderately limited on what you can make for pots

[alpine peak]

with xp rates are we rellly going to need thousands ?

[tacit oyster]

16x xp rate will need to make 5-8k potions for 99

[austere depot]

I wasn't gonna take Friendly Forager because Nature's Accord also prints a lot of secondaries but... Not all of them

[potent quail]

The exp boost helps but 50 mil route is still hella long

[austere depot]

It might be worth it just for infinite Aldarium

[alpine peak]

why 50m ?

[copper gorge]

Task

[alpine peak]

do we need 50m in all skills ?

[cloud panther]

50m in each skill tasks

[austere depot]

Each skill has a 25M, 35M and 50M task, unless they did away with that

[copper gorge]

Not really

[tacit oyster]

for more points 50m xp tasks in all skills

99 in all skills is also not must do if you do not care about points

[austere depot]

You don't need every single task though

[copper gorge]

Depends on what you wanna do

[austere depot]

Just depends what you w- yeah

[alpine peak]

im just trying to max and get the tree maxed

[dusk wharf]

Kourend, Kandarin and maybe Fremennik
Going mage build

[austere depot]

I like to aim to max and get whichever 50Ms I feel like

[potent quail]

Aldarium was for goating potions right?

[austere depot]

Yeah, and prayer regen pots

[cloud panther]

I am going Tira-kand-Mory

[copper gorge]

So youll have decent access to secondaires

[cloud panther]

thought I kinda wanna swap mory for kourend, I am iffy about doing Yama

[potent quail]

This reminds me

I saw no build and no one ever talking abou this node

Isnt this node hella nice qol for every build but air rune regen?

[austere depot]

I feel like contracts should be fine with the power of 38-39 pacts and echo weapon

[tacit oyster]

generally not worth taking that. only wind mage + crossbow hybrid can take that node

[potent quail]

Like kill time should be around x10 faster lol

[potent quail]

Wind mage will not take it, has enough prayer regen already

[tacit oyster]

wind mage already negates the need for that node though

[austere depot]

Yeah contracts are funny and all but if you just delete Yama it should be fine

[cloud panther]

alrighty ima do it

[potent quail]

And i think the phasing makes it even easier

I do not know yama mage resist though

[tacit oyster]

you can also tank yama specials and take glyphs to negate the oneshot from glyph explosion in p1/p2

any style can do yama easily

[potent quail]

Like unless we get a echo yama i see no problems

[potent quail]

I have been working on that build but just cant find a good way for it, you know a solid build?

[tacit oyster]

ranged builds want the regen note on melee side, nothing i can think of goes near it

[kindred nacelle]

What time are the worlds online / released?

[potent quail]

Like the main problem of air+ ranged hybrid is that ranged accuracy tanks hard because of the prayer req

And if you dont take wilderness and kandarin one of the 2 misses a echo weapon

Can share it later but i just cant find a setup where both styles stay strong

With only 1 echo weapon

[icy cove]

Hello friends, I've never played a league before, is this something I can jump into without previous knowledge and actually progress?

[copper gorge]

Yes

League lasts for 56 days and every tier has xp multiplies base multiplier is 5x all the way up to 16x

[icy cove]

ok cool, ty

[lapis flax]

you could look at some youtube videos of people explaining relics and stuff if you are unsure, but honestly you dont really need to know anything going in, just make sure you read the relics and im sure you can come to your own conclusion on what to take.

maybe look up the demonic pacts tree beforehand though 🤣 that ones a little more complicated, might help to get others opinions on that one

[severe void]

are there some demonic pact builds up somewhere already as well? or just search from here?

[lapis flax]

lot of people posting their builds here as well as people putting builds up on youtube and such

im sure theres lots of people posting builds in the leagues discord too

just bear in mind all those builds are just theory crafting, demonic pacts havent been in other leagues before this its brand new, and the dps wiki is not 100% accurate right now, they are working to fix some stuff but what you see might not necessarily be what you get in terms of the dps listed on the dps wiki rn

[dusk wharf]

I'm no PvMer and this is my first leagues but im going for a nice mix of magic and ranged 🙂 I like the fast ticking on both with 195% Accuracy boost
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1j7k4C2oGAtBAGAwARBATyAA&name=Mage Range Hybrid

[potent quail]

Faux and scritic made a video with mutliple builds worth checking out

From ym point of view all very well thought out

[lapis flax]

^ i would second this

[toxic vortex]

The Faux maximum fun build is what I'm going for

[odd idol]

what hits the hardest

i saw somewhere kbd crossbow and water rune build for hard hits and healing

[late oyster]

think blindbag hally can hit the most but pray air has the highest dps ive seen

[odd idol]

whats the build for pray air

and what does it entail

[late oyster]

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=14zkYzyeHBvAwDAYEAIABAAA&name=Mage Range Hybrid with 50+ prayer bonus gear

[dusk wharf]

Broken link, you need the share button one

[late oyster]

that one work?

[dusk wharf]

Yep

but if you already peaked 100% chance to regen runes, do you need that far right one which is taking you to 150%?

[late oyster]

it rolls for more runes then you used which is more prayer restore and healing from water spells

[dusk wharf]

Ooh

[odd idol]

what about the king black dragon with water runes

[leaden plinth]

Do we know if it also rolls again for regen related triggers? Take the Ranged Echos for example; can they trigger twice on 1 attack if I regen twice on said attack?

[potent quail]

I think so

[lapis flax]

it does

for charged items, runes, and ammo

[late oyster]

it hit pretty hard but the pray air build max hits 100+ every cast and you get shadow flame staff with turns into a 2 tick cast

[lapis flax]

150% means 1 guaranteed set of regen plus a 50% chance to regen a second time with 1 attack

[leaden plinth]

I’m planning a max accuracy/damage ballista build.

Dps calc says my average hit is 165.

Gonna be fun.

[lapis flax]

its 3 tick not 2 tick but ye

the spellbook tick reducer only reduces by 2 ticks so it goes form 5>3

shadowflame is not a pwoered staff

[late oyster]

ahh yeah read it wrong. but still 114 max hit every 3 ticks

[lapis flax]

its very strong

[leaden plinth]

I almost went air build. But it suffers in accuracy at places I don’t want to miss.

Ballista is lower dps overall but way more accurate.

[odd idol]

is there a website to show me these builds?

[cursive edge]

you can just do both 🙂

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=HydraRibsPharmakos

25% extra dmg when you swap style, but dont have to swap literally every hit. Just swap to KBow when you need to heal or freeze somethin

[late oyster]

best thing would be just to look up on youtube. faux has a bunch of different builds

[austere depot]

Thought about making a ballista build too, seems pretty good for sure, dragon javelins hit hard

[leaden plinth]

I really don’t want to have to take wildy. It doesn’t do really much of anything for skilling.

[dull imp]

Anyone have a guide for doom during leagues? No scobow or darklight, so not sure how doom is gunna work out.

[cursive edge]

Really? Wildy gives tons of resources tho from bosses/larrans keys

for skilling

[leaden plinth]

Combat will be way easier this league, but Skilling will be slightly worse. Skilling relics aren’t as strong this time around.

[austere depot]

Wildy warped my relics plan completely >:(

[lapis flax]

the varla echo item is demon bane

[copper gorge]

Echo boppers will be demonbane

[dull imp]

Ah ok

[leaden plinth]

Resources aren’t really the issue.

[dull imp]

No need for ranged or mage demonbane?

[lapis flax]

but also depending on your build you might just skip the phase you need it for anyway

lmao

[copper gorge]

Its processing the resources lol

[lapis flax]

you have so much more dmg than in the base game

[leaden plinth]

I’m also going purely into ranged. And as it turns out, ballista is better at Sol than King’s Barrage would be.

[tacit oyster]

mage demonbane is the arceuus spellbook. for doom grubs can use ayak, for mage grubs can use darts

[austere depot]

Smithing without Tir is gonna be a little ouch for sure

[leaden plinth]

Purely due to the accuracy I get in my build.

[dull imp]

Yeah but you gotta go grimoire or zeah for that

[austere depot]

Planning to rock up to Sol with an Elder Maul lol

Surely I'll hit both specs

[copper gorge]

Surely

[leaden plinth]

Walking Ballista

The build I currently plan to run.

[austere depot]

The acc nodes being all styles should help hitting emaul specs at least

[cursive edge]

why avoid the overheal node like that?

[leaden plinth]

Ranged has 0 healing in its pacts.

[cursive edge]

sure, but youre spending extra points to avoid it

[austere depot]

Overheal nodes are only good if you can actually get the pact healing

[leaden plinth]

With a 2h ranged weapon, no pact on the board can heal.

[cursive edge]

also you can save 1 pt in the neutral overheal node you take

path up through melee

2 pts instead of 3

[leaden plinth]

I’m actually not. Every node I take to get there does something for the build.

[cursive edge]

i see, you want the def lvls?

[tacit oyster]

that one requires shield, not possible with ballista

[leaden plinth]

Maximizing def/accuracy/regen.

I’m running torva ballista.

[cursive edge]

wild

[leaden plinth]

Still managing like 90+% accuracy at most bosses.

[tacit oyster]

im doing zcb so i have specs with onyx bolt for heal + flask t8

[leaden plinth]

I almost went zcb.

But ballista sounded too fun.

[odd idol]

bruh

i dunno what to do

[dull imp]

Doesn’t ballista count as crossbow?

[tacit oyster]

yes it is 2-handed crossbow

[leaden plinth]

Crossbows will basically always be meta in leagues. But this may be the only chance I get to run a viable ballista build. I have to take it.

[dull imp]

What’s the full Torva for?

[leaden plinth]

Just tankiness.

[dull imp]

Oh

[cursive edge]

have crossbows been meta before?

[dull imp]

Yeah they attack faster last leagues I think

[tacit oyster]

2 tick crossbows beat t-bow in certain content

[austere depot]

They tend to be in previous Leagues because they'd always go 5t->2t yeah

[odd idol]

corssbow with more dmg is 7 tick right ?

[austere depot]

Similar thing for the Shadow except a Shadow takes longer to get than an rcb

[leaden plinth]

I ran torva ZCB last year with a DFS.

[copper gorge]

Have fun with it

[odd idol]

what is that you attack once every 10 seconds ?

[leaden plinth]

The tank was insane.

[austere depot]

Once every 4.2s

4.8 with Ballistae I think?

[copper gorge]

Thats gunna feel really slow lol

[leaden plinth]

Hitting anywhere from 165-515 damage per attack.

[tacit oyster]

yeah ballista 1 tick slower

[odd idol]

so as

ass

these pacts are dumb asf

[austere depot]

Is it really though

[odd idol]

this aint path of exlie

[leaden plinth]

I’m gonna have fun with it 1-hitting almost everything. 😅

Basically going with the sniper build.

[copper gorge]

Pacts will be fine.

[tacit oyster]

are you at least taking culling spree so you are not stuck on hill giant tasks

[copper gorge]

Welp im going kandarin too so let me know how that works out.

[leaden plinth]

Absolutely not!

Sadly this build has 0 sustain so I have to take Sustenance…

[odd idol]

what about echo bow from kourend is that good ?

[copper gorge]

Im going glass cannon thrown into bp/drygore bp.

[leaden plinth]

They gave ranged absolutely no healing pacts…

[copper gorge]

Bow row is meh

[shadow badger]

It's good for hp and prayer restore

[tacit oyster]

hespori bow is strong early/mid game. falls off later a bit

[leaden plinth]

I’m not a fan of what they did with bows.

The bow capstones want you to be tanky. But you can’t even wear a shield with a bow.

[copper gorge]

They wanted people to do something different

Because you just rush raids get tbow and melt everything else.

[dull imp]

I thought with how they read you needed to pray correctly

[bleak depot]

Does the healing from water ice spells heal when using kings barrage i asked earlier but i can’t find where i wrote it lol

[dull imp]

And you’d get max damage

[leaden plinth]

You can’t always pray correctly.

Not every attack has a tell.

[austere depot]

https://dps.osrs.wiki/?id=HistoryDungeonHard
This is my plan, it's not super creative since it's obviously what the KBD crossbow was meant for but the idea was too fun not to go for

[leaden plinth]

Take KQ for instance. You’d never be able to maintain it.

[dull imp]

I think where the damage matters though you can usually pray correctly

[leaden plinth]

Probably in most cases.

[austere depot]

Big appreciation that we got Path of Building Leagues DPS calc so fast btw

[dull imp]

Not going desert lol

[leaden plinth]

It’s just odd that they went with that route for bows.

[dull imp]

Desert ass again this league

[leaden plinth]

I’m going ZKA.

[dull imp]

I mean 3 tick bowfa is already strong

[bleak depot]

Anybody know about that kings barrage ice attack stacking with the water heal from the magic tree

[leaden plinth]

ZKA ballista.

[dull imp]

It does

[bleak depot]

That’s so sick

[leaden plinth]

It’s a very strong build. I almost went with it.

[potent quail]

Dps on max with rcb and onyx is 29 dps

[bleak depot]

If i take tir will the kings barrage get crystal bonus or no?

[dull imp]

No

[lapis flax]

no

[copper gorge]

Funny enough im going desert

[leaden plinth]

Sadly no.

[lapis flax]

crystal only works on bofa and crystal bow, the echo item only makes it work on powered staves and melee

[dull imp]

You only go tir for melee/powered staves/bowfa

[bleak depot]

So it works on everything melee, only powered staff and only BofA and crystal bow wtf

[austere depot]

I almost went to do a ballista build actually lol

[dull imp]

If you need ammo you go asgarnia for void

[leaden plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[meager nest]

Do you need the armour for the melee bonus or just the blessing?

[potent quail]

And thieving crafting solve

[bleak depot]

Guess it’s asgarnia for void with the kings barrage build instead of tir

[copper gorge]

Doesnt it stack?

[potent quail]

Read the blessing again

[leaden plinth]

I will say, the ballista build does kind of rely on getting most of the pact points.

[dull imp]

I wouldn’t go that just for skills solve

[copper gorge]

Tir is smithing crafting and thieve solve.

[austere depot]

Yeah that's what you'd do if you wanted something like crossbow thorns, but this build is doing crossbow heals

[odd idol]

accoridng to dps calc the kings barrage max hit 580

or did i do it wrong

[potent quail]

Crafting and smithing solve

I do think thats reasonable though, smithing is hadd to solve this league

[bleak depot]

Yeah i want crossbow heals

[copper gorge]

Will be able to get crystal pick from zalcano

[lapis flax]

the blessing makes the armour work on melee, without the armour the blessing does nothing

[potent quail]

Onyx bolt heal

[leaden plinth]

Probably correct, but extremely unlikely due to it needing stacking max echos.

[austere depot]

The max hit on ranged builds isn't real tbh

[austere depot]

Doesn't overheal

[dull imp]

Hotfoot/giants foundry desert/transmute ores and smelt, idk

[leaden plinth]

I look more at the expected hit.

[dull imp]

Butler

[odd idol]

whats the hespori bow called

[copper gorge]

The dps calcs are fucked. So dont get too hot and heavy with that

[dull imp]

Tons of smithing solves and crafting is solved by black d hide transmute

[bleak depot]

It would overheal if i took the overhealing pact wouldn’t it ?

[leaden plinth]

Nature’s Recurve

[potent quail]

Idk cant estimate how long that is

[austere depot]

The overhealing pacts only work on healing from other pacts

[odd idol]

hmm

[leaden plinth]

Ranged sadly gets almost nothing from the overheal pacts.

[austere depot]

And I think the water spell one might be the only one that will actually keep you around 190% lol

[austere depot]

Melee and shields got some healing pacts but it's... eeh

[tacit oyster]

only overheal pact ranged gets is with kbd echo weapon

[copper gorge]

Heres my just wanna have fun build

[leaden plinth]

Looks fun.

[copper gorge]

Air water earth spells, chins and bp

[potent quail]

But like how much damage are we taking normally?

[bleak depot]

Yeah that’s what I’m going with the kings barrage with ice water overheals that should work ?

[leaden plinth]

Yes.

[bleak depot]

I’m thinking asgarnia for void would be best armor ?

[potent quail]

Why the air mastery?

[copper gorge]

Why not?

[odd idol]

is there a natures recurve build ?

[leaden plinth]

If I went Asgarnia with king’s barrage, I’d probably use Arma just for the better defenses.

[potent quail]

Could use the points elsewhere gor more accuracy/defence

[dull imp]

19500 rune bars from 13-50m xp smithing.

[copper gorge]

First two trees i end up going are water and thrown.

[potent quail]

[copper gorge]

From there idk

[dull imp]

Prif pretty fast but transmute pretty easy

[copper gorge]

Could but if i rock the kandarin element its gunna play off all 3 pacts.

[latent oracle]

I just saw people saying full blindbag build has less dps than naked rune crossbow (cbow build), if that's true that's tragic

[velvet dawn]

have they said if we are getting any of the task list early?

[dull imp]

166500 iron or that you transmute up to coal/rune.

[austere depot]

You can be fine without any sustain sure but 190% overheal sounds fun

[austere depot]

No way I'm making 19500 rune bars at a furnace even with Flow State 😔

[odd idol]

is there a website that shows builds

[dull imp]

Blind bags issue is rng but it’s still probably fun

[bleak depot]

My current over heal with kings barrage build is like 150 hits not including echoes

75 per bolt around there

[dull imp]

Yeah tiranwyn easy 50m solve

[pearl sapphire]

Hey, can someone confirm for me how Guardians of the rift works for leagues. Like which rc altars will be accesible based on region choices etc. My regions will be Desert Kandarin Zeah

[potent quail]

Quad staff does not require you to use different elementsl spells

It allows you to use 1 element everywhere

[dull imp]

Hotfoot barb eh reloaded also solves

[potent quail]

Should be all

[dusk wharf]

what would be your plan for slayer training?

[leaden plinth]

Just train slayer.

I’ve never taken a slayer relic.

I always just train it.

[wet loom]

I've dodged the slayer relic the last 2 leagues, slayer is not a problem

[dusk wharf]

would it not be slow with the build?

[leaden plinth]

Not at all.

Literally 1-hitting everything.

[austere depot]

Just gotta pick tasks where you won't get 80 million overkill damage

You can skip as usual

[leaden plinth]

Exactly.

[lapis flax]

slayer relics is really just good for farming bosses, it does make slayer insanely fast, but its not like itll be slow without it

[leaden plinth]

It doesn’t solve anything I dislike.

So I don’t take it.

I pick relics based on what I don’t want to do in leagues.

Which is why I always take the farming relic…

[dull imp]

My regions points are all heavy slayer tasks so culling kinda a must

[austere depot]

I could totally skip Zeah, get Rigour from Grimoire, and pick whatever other region and be fine without Culling Spree, but Zeah seems like a fun region all around

Or like you don't need Rigour, either

[leaden plinth]

I’m also kind of locked in to needing Eternal Sustenance with my build.

[odd idol]

what relics are you guys taking

[keen badger]

Would shadowflame unlock all spellbooks? Or do you still need desert/grim?

[odd idol]

is barbarian gathering t1 better then abundance or

i feel like its really good tbh

[lapis flax]

depends on what you want out of the league

[potent quail]

Why would shadowflame unlock spellbooks?

[lapis flax]

none of the t1 relics are better than the others they all have different uses

[leaden plinth]

1: Eternal Harvest
2: Hot Footed
3: Bank Heist
4: Transmutation
5: Nature’s Accord
6: Eternal Sustenance
7: Reloaded -> Conniving Clues
8: Flask of Fervor

[potent quail]

Abundance is only for point rushers

[cursive edge]

We are taking 0 relics in common lmfao

[keen badger]

It reads that it autocasts from all spellbooks. But I though to have seen something it meant the books would be unlocked, seemed to strong

[austere depot]

Abundance is good if you're not after the explicitly 99/exp tasks, just the tasks that implicitly require the boostable level, or if you want those tasks way ahead of the exp tasks

[pseudo mantle]

Endless->Woodsman->Alacrity->Transmutation->Larcenest->Culling->Reloaded (Clues) - > Either minion or axe

[lapis flax]

you need grimoire or the region you unlock the spellbook in to get other spellbooks

[potent quail]

Just qol but i dont think if you wake quad you need the other spellbooks at all

[leaden plinth]

I considered Axe for all of 6 seconds, until I realized at all but 3 bosses in my regions, my ballista’s average hit will already finish off a target.

[pseudo mantle]

It really depends on if my meme works out, or if a homie takes it

It'll probably be minion tbh. I'll have more than enough tank to not need flask

[lapis flax]

i considered axe for about 10 seconds until i realised minions 6dps is already 20% of my total dmg as im going blindbag build so id just be losing out on autolooting

[leaden plinth]

Minion is best dps but that dps goes down depending on boss def.

[wet loom]

Barbarian Gathering -> Woodsman -> Alacrity -> Transmutation -> Larcenist -> Grimoire -> Flow State -> Minion

[leaden plinth]

Like I think at nex it’s only like 4.something.

Flask in my build is about 3 additional dps, plus infinite prayer points.

[lapis flax]

im TKM i think itll be fine for me

nothing too outrageously defensive

[leaden plinth]

Fair.

[copper gorge]

Oh i very much read that differently.

[lapis flax]

it takes whatever the current weakness is and changes it to the type of spell you are currently using

[tacit oyster]

quad staff lets you cast air spell on enemy with water weakness and the weakness turns into air weakness

[copper gorge]

I read it as, if we had the pact it would work. Its really if youre using water surge and it has an air weakness it casts and air surge but uses your water pact

Goooootttt it

[dusk wharf]

Which areas are you going cyto?

[leaden plinth]

ZKA

[dull imp]

2 brutal pact points with that one

[leaden plinth]

I didn’t want to go Zeah for the third year in a row, but it’s just so good for skilling, and skilling relics aren’t amazing this year.

[dull imp]

Radiant oath plate and awakened whisperer oof

[leaden plinth]

Awakened whisper isn’t bad.

[dull imp]

Gunna need flask for sure

[austere depot]

I'm currently thinking

1. Barbarian Gathering (redwoods, amethyst)
2. Friendly Forager (Infinite Aldarium, I lack prayer generation, Woodsman is a close second)
3. Map of Alcacrity (Zeah runecrafting)
4. Transmutation (seeds and bones)
5. Nature's Accord (amplifies seeds from drops + more exp for less farming)
6. Culling Spree (don't need Grimoire or Sustenance, void+slayer will be funny)
7. Flow State (Likely 200M woodcutting, reloaded into clues or runecraft is a close second)
8. Minion (smaller hits and AoE while I hit slowly like a truck, Flask is a close second)

[wet loom]

Transmutation feels like it'll solve so many leagues problems for me that pop up unexpectedly

[dull imp]

It solves so much stuff

[leaden plinth]

Transmutation is my favorite relic this league. It’s strong and unique.

[dull imp]

Farming, prayer, crafting, fletching, pyre, the kanda pyre

[wet loom]

it'll also give me redwoods for my KMT area so I can redwoods the shades of morton tasks

[toxic vortex]

It's bad if there isn't a way to cheese the sanity aspect

[tacit oyster]

Yama :demonic_turtle:
Contracts for radiant oathplate will drop more often from demons in the chasm (based on leagues droprate multiplier)
Yama's dossiers will multiply the quantity of all contracts by your leagues multiplier (not teleport scrolls or death charge scrolls)

[dull imp]

Money with sapphire -> dragonstone pipeline

Infinite tokkul

[leaden plinth]

I’ve done it main game. It shouldn’t be any harder in leagues.

[tacit oyster]

nice, yama no longer has boosted dossier drop rate, now it boosts how many contracts you get from dossier

[wet loom]

Can you sell dragonstones in mor ul rek?

[austere depot]

Basically I want Minions to do the things my build doesn't directly do, like AoE nibblers while I two-shot Jad or clear up when I leave a boss close to dying and next shot would be major overkill, but I worry that the Minion will very much not do that

[smoky raft]

The Minion will only attack targets you have attaced iirc

[odd idol]

How much can you hit with defence thorns build

[tacit oyster]

you can sell uncut dragonstones but they are less tokkul than runite ore

[austere depot]

Ah, guess I'll need a dart to shoot at a nibbler so it AoEs them then

[odd idol]

And can you heal off of it

[leaden plinth]

I have an acquaintance who build a pretty insane thorns build. But I don’t recall it.

It basically nuked everything around you.

[wet loom]

Copper to runite pipeline, got it

[scenic drift]

is there a spot where people are uploading their combat mastery builds as suggestions/guides?

[leaden plinth]

Probably here

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1485589070972325888

[wet loom]

lot of people doing stuff one thing lower than here

[scenic drift]

thanks

[potent quail]

btw you always use quad staff and devils element together, may be that devils element had that effect

[tacit oyster]

you could replace devils element with shield for water mage thorns build if you want to cheese 6 jad challenge or other stuff

[lapis flax]

devils element is 36% magic dmg as long as you use shadowflame

[smoky raft]

The highest possible total defensive bonus is 1,980 if I've done my math right, so the highest thorns damage should be 33 per received hitsplat

[wet loom]

whats the best shield in KMT for water mage, crystal shield?

[lapis flax]

(and surge spells or other elemental spells)

[lapis flax]

devils element unless you need a shield for thorns then yeah prolly crystal shield or dfs

[copper gorge]

Nope devils element is a flat 30% added weakness to all elementsl

[wet loom]

yeah element for 99% of the content, I just want to have the shield build running in the back of my head as a respec for content I'm not good enough to do

[odd idol]

so you never die

[smoky raft]

I never said that

[copper gorge]

Thats what sus is for

[smoky raft]

Of the 1,980 defense bonuses, only 3 of them are Magic Defense

[lapis flax]

shouldnt need to with healing from water mage

[copper gorge]

Bring shark and karam and just spam tick eat

[lapis flax]

its not 1980 per style its 1980 across all styles, like 500 somehting in range 450 ish in the melee styles and fuck all in magic

this the gear setup hes talking about

[smoky raft]

This is actually the same problem that a lot of tank builds currently face- increasing your def level only does so much when incoming magic attacks roll against 25% of your def + 75% of your mage levels

[austere depot]

You'll probably be praying mage a lot

[lapis flax]

but also you over heal to 188 or so

well

ig its tough for that buiold to do that

quickly at least

actually nvm

with thorns youll be able to be very far from target and youll get hp per distance on each thorn

[austere depot]

You'll get healed 2 when you're hit for a 0 iirc

[lapis flax]

yes but also thorns count for the 2 10% chance to heal based on distance

so for stuff like inferno youll heal a lot

just pray mage and tank everythign else

[austere depot]

Obviously this is the thorns build that isn't trying to recoil max

Because if you wanna proc recoils you do need to actually take damage

[lapis flax]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=ControlCaneEctophial

This was my concept for it

[austere depot]

At which point you'd probably just put the shield on block and eat the same fish 1000 times with sus

[lapis flax]

the recoils are just extra also the echo boots and suffering imbued already give a lot of defense bonus

so they fit regardless

[austere depot]

Yeah I like the thorns blindbag, not counting on the recoils a ton, they're a nice enough extra yeah

[lapis flax]

the blindbag in that build is purely because you can smack with the dinny b so may aswell get a bit extra out of it

[austere depot]

Would be fun if the bulwark passive applied to the blindbag attacks 😔

[warm bridge]

using the guide thats on the wiki and it says you can export it to tasks tracker plugin, where tf is the export option???

[glacial elbow]

what're ppl thoughts on Butler's bell?

[tacit oyster]

just spamming anglerfish and if you get hit can double or triple eat for fast recovery

[past blade]

V's helmet would practically be a handicap if I'm going for crystal blessing and crystal armour, since I'd lose the damage and accuracy from the crystal helm with it.

[lapis flax]

good for people with not a lot of time to play

[past blade]

Wouldn't it?

[lapis flax]

correct

[proper stratus]

does anyone know how transmute works with runes? if i downgrade runes to pure ess does it go to noted pure ess? or unnoted?

[lapis flax]

thats why i swapped fremmy for kandarin since vs helm is just worse than crystal helm

[austere depot]

Noted :(

[lapis flax]

i mean you get the dmg block chance but its only 5%

[past blade]

Damn, I like the fremmy areas, it's a vibe but I'll pass on it.

[lapis flax]

i wish v's helm was not bis stats for all styles and actually better than bis options

it just feels like its not worth taking since the stats are all achieveable with other items

albiet not in a single item

so its obv good for hybrid builds but i feel like most people will focus on 1 style

so whats the point

[glacial elbow]

butler's bell is like 900k smithing exp for 24h, i don't see transmute or clues be better than not having to do smithing

at 16x

[tacit oyster]

v's helm is basically culling spree without the extra effects after slayer helm effect

[lapis flax]

i suppose techncially its kinda good with the thrown weapons get 80% ranged strength from melee strength pact

[dull imp]

Transmute + prif

[lapis flax]

being a slayer helm is nice but yeah its not even a benefit with culling

mayube if i wasnt taking culling id find more use for it

[dull imp]

Butlers bell if you’re gunna be offline a lot. Transmute if you can afk online

[glacial elbow]

how does transmute and priff synergize?

[lapis flax]

tirn makes smithing and crafting take like 1 hour

[dull imp]

Prif solves smithing and crafting. Transmute solves prayer and farming

[tacit oyster]

watch fremmenik have task to make saturated heart so you are forced to take culling spree there

[glacial elbow]

oh fair, but isn't it larceny + priff

[lapis flax]

but if you arent taking tirn then ye

[dull imp]

Yeah I’m taking larceny as well. But you were talking butlers bell which shares with transmute

[tribal crag]

anyone know if I have 150% accuracy on the pacts with 20 magic bonus, if that is calced so that it acts like I have 50 magic bonus, or is it calced differently?

[dull imp]

Transmute has more fixes for things earlier on so really smooth mid game.

[glacial elbow]

with farming ticks being 1min i don't think farming needs a solve tbh

[lapis flax]

50 yes

[tribal crag]

is it confirmed that it works that way?

[lapis flax]

yes

[tribal crag]

thanks

[dull imp]

All the dhide crafting tasks super easy

[dull imp]

I just want to always have the correct max seed or herb seed I need

Less tree runs I have to do the better

[lapis flax]

3 tree runs per day basically gets you 50m by the time you stop playing but having the correct seeds to do so is good

[toxic vortex]

Throw in herb runs too

[lapis flax]

i dont really wanna do 3 herb runs per hour, but ill do them in order to make potions ofc

just not for farming xp specifically

[dull imp]

And snape grass go brrr

[glacial elbow]

butler makes construction easier

[lapis flax]

construction doesnt need to be easier

🤣

[dull imp]

Transmute makes Mahog logs easier

[lapis flax]

transmute also makes it easier

[toxic vortex]

It's already several mil/hr

[dull imp]

And infinite fast money for the buyable construction shit

[toxic vortex]

I can't remember what I was pulling last time

[glacial elbow]

isn't it just teaks -> mahog

[lapis flax]

construction is like a 3m grind with the mahog logs, which you can get easily with transmute

[toxic vortex]

Basically

[dull imp]

No it’s normal logs to mahog

[glacial elbow]

you still need to make the planks

oh

[dull imp]

Yeah

[fallow ruin]

just saw the pacts skill tree

[dull imp]

I was sleeping on transmute til I looked at the wiki page for it

[glacial elbow]

butler makes planks for u. mvp 🙂

[fallow ruin]

im scared

[lapis flax]

no its only teaks>mahog

but teaks are very quick to farem

[inner zenith]

the 60 minute pause begins

[toxic vortex]

Makes sense they'd split the hardwoods

[lapis flax]

NVM

[glacial elbow]

but isn't planks hard to make depending on region?

[lapis flax]

nvm i was looking at seed

[dull imp]

No it’s normal logs to mahog

[glacial elbow]

we dont get varrock lumberyard

[toxic vortex]

There are others

[boreal imp]

do we know if the red skin has to be bought with points or is it unlocked just fro partisipating

[dull imp]

Auburnvale already unlocked

[toxic vortex]

Also, plank make with lunar for those that take grim or frem

[dull imp]

Planks super chill at auburn

[toxic vortex]

Also yeah they have one too

[shell sphinx]

Any other work warriors planning on getting set up at a tree with endless harvest to afk the first day while everyone figures out what’s actually efficient

I figure that first day stockpile will be helpful once I get transmute

[dull imp]

I plan on getting 9 gp buying 3 bird traps and rushing to crimson swifts before work starts

[glacial elbow]

do we get the early valemore quests completed for free? or do we have to do the quest for hunter rumers

[toxic vortex]

I plan on coming down with a nasty cold/cough/congestion on Wednesday morning

Might even have to take a COVID test just to be sure

[toxic vortex]

You just never know anymore right?

[potent quail]

found my build this league

[molten gust]

Reminds me of stories for the dragon quests games in Japan. Where they had to change the release days to weekends. Otherwise masses of people would take the day off, call out sick, or no show.

[boreal imp]

do we know if the red skin has to be bought with points or is it unlocked just fro partisipating

[lapis flax]

i dont think there are any participation rewards

there usually isnt, unless im forggeting about something

[eager vale]

Heyo, I'm new to this community; sorry if this is a dumb question. But why are the reactions on all the announcements so negative? 🤔

[boreal imp]

nah ahsnt been but this is leagues first skin color was hoping youd just unlock it by logging into leagues was about to send like 5 alts lol

side note tho this leagues looks extremely boring compared to last leagues relics

[eager vale]

I last played trailblazer reloaded. The bank note went pretty hard

I guess we aren't getting it again 😭

[tacit oyster]

people still spamming down votes because of the price increase

[dull imp]

That’s cuz this leagues has the whole ass pacts tree.

[boreal imp]

yeah i cba trying to unlock 40 skill points

[lapis flax]

i think a lot of these relics are better than last years in terms of both power and interesting-ness, only thing we are missing is bankers note, but bankers not kinda hard to include cause its pretty much an auto pick regardless of tier

[glacial elbow]

yee i like the nerfs to the relics. no golden god or bankers note

[sterile pewter]

Was there another reveal today?

[lapis flax]

reveals are all done afaik