leagues-general

[small flower]

yea, any t2 would be fine

[unique smelt]

Abundance so tempting, but I'll have inf gold with wildy

Wouldn't mind antifires for KBD in case he's harder than last league, but we can't make antivenoms anyway right?

[small flower]

not unless you're tir

ye

just chug those antidotes XD

echo kbd was a pretty fun fight

hope he's similar or at least equally fun to fight

[unique smelt]

It does suck that we get less toys this league

I'll be getting a blowpipe at some point, and I probs won't want to respec to use it

[small flower]

i mean technically we get 1 extra

just less choice (for echo stuff at least)

[unique smelt]

Yeah, but styles and resets

[small flower]

thrown feels kinda shafted tbh

[unique smelt]

Mage gets to play with a different toy with just 1 point, but the melee and ranged echo weps are weird, really gotta burn a respec if you want to use em

[small flower]

melee's a little bit pigeonholed too, but 1h tank still looks entirely good

[unique smelt]

Dogger tank should be fun as heck, yeah

[small flower]

a lotta focus is on the standouts tho, but i think the others are fine

[unique smelt]

Bows are trash no?

[small flower]

nah

[unique smelt]

Why tf didn't they let the echo item work with overheal

[small flower]

tbow still can get like 35+ dps

idk about the hespori bow

but i imagine it's good

idk why people are hung up on that?

[unique smelt]

Kings works with water pact, Dogger with Fire pact, etc etc

[small flower]

for it to make sense for them to do, they'd have to give it a water based spell component like the crossbow

and they did that for the crossbow already

i was kinda hoping it'd have an air trigger or something, or eartH?

earth trigger on itw ould be a cool mix

but it's also hespori

i wasn't expecting anything crazy from hespori

[stiff hinge]

i mean

i wouldn't have expected anything crazy from kbd or thermy

and yet here we are lmao

[small flower]

i suppose there was some degree of expectations of what they'd have based on their past variant, like difficulty/reward

though yea, i guess those bosses technically wouldn't seem to be hard base forms, but are something else in echo form

i do hope the "echo" boss theme carries forward, in whatever actual theme the leagues take, gives the regions the extra spice

[stiff hinge]

i wonder if dags will be nerfed

or if they'll be as awful for the 5 people picking fremmy as they were in leagues 5

[small flower]

i'd almost hope not? they took a bit to learn

but it was a fun fight

i'm guessing it'll be themed differently

i'm guessing they all will be

but we'll see i guess

[stiff hinge]

were you playing T6 range?

[small flower]

no, i did it with melee and a mage

[stiff hinge]

huh

[small flower]

the prayer switching was basically just constant manticore prots

it was mostly positioning the acid splats

that was more annoying, especially for the melee guy

[stiff hinge]

i did it with pure melee, forget if it was nally or scythe i was using

[small flower]

though tbh i think mage was easier than range

he was wildy as well, so had the shield by then XD

i think i had a nally at that point?

[limpid lava]

if you take barbarian you think it will let you punch guardians in chambers

[small flower]

i would imagine it would

[stiff hinge]

i hated it, i got a few kc but didn't stick it out long enough to get the drop

[small flower]

that and akkha totem totem thing too

ah

[stiff hinge]

I'm not checking but somebody did claim it's confirmed to work for that and toa mining

[small flower]

I will say i did it on melee guy first

[limpid lava]

nice

[small flower]

and it did indeed take me a lot of tries to get it down

but once i did it was fun

[stiff hinge]

i enjoyed GGs a lot

[small flower]

yea

i think i did all of them but thermy and cerb last league?

[stiff hinge]

but DKs felt way too random

[small flower]

the cycle was very consistent from the start of the fight on

[stiff hinge]

i think i consistently got two down and then ran out of tiles and couldn't realistically recover? something like that, it's been ages

[small flower]

they shared HP but it did go wonky enrange hey lets shoot acid over the entire arena at the end

[stiff hinge]

the RNG was in "do i dps fast enough to beat the acid"

[small flower]

yea

that enrage could get real rough for melee

[stiff hinge]

the solution may have been to have torva or full justy idk

it's been long enough and i'm a few drinks deep enough to not be certain if i had had full bis available

but it was definitely WAAAAY harder and less consistent than GGs

[small flower]

GG was definitely easy yea

well, eas(ier)

i dont remember too much on that one tbh

there was no real reason to keep farming it after the gloves

some of them weren't necesasrily hard, but were fun fights

[manic prairie]

Is this meant to be the end of reveals?

[small flower]

they'll likely release full task list sometime before

annnd there's that line on rules that might still be something

idk

[manic prairie]

Maybe some Yama stuff?

Since Yama is teased in th me final relics

[stiff hinge]

we can have a little echo yama as a treat

[manic prairie]

Or maybe some stuff like mysthalin content

[stiff hinge]

GGs was fairly easy but very fun because it was just a very consistent hit-move-hit-move ring around the boss

[small flower]

maybe not the standard echo yama as that'd require zeah for the whole orb business, but some kinda challenge fight everyone had access to would be neat

[stiff hinge]

yama is an extremely mageable fight, i approve

[dull imp]

I’m going 200m hunter as my 200m non combat since it’s a 32x bonus

[small flower]

if the xp is fast enough, the rumours may be worth it, will have to see, fletching is probably an even easier choice

[dull imp]

Yeah either or, but I find moonlight antelope contracts super chill

[copper gorge]

You guys said chins counted as thrown right?

[wary egret]

Are there any quests that should be done but can be auto completed?

[stiff hinge]

yep

??? the yew and magic seeds from revs are boosted

that's so weird

[copper gorge]

And eclipse atlatl too right

I figured out my setup

[small flower]

chins are thrown yes, but they won't regen

[copper gorge]

Not worried about the regen on those

[stiff hinge]

they won't?

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/guess-what-fernanda-ramirez-you'll-never-guess-what-happened-i-have-some-news-gif-4606364317481521011

[small flower]

nope! no infinite double thrown echo chins for you

[copper gorge]

What about atlatl darts?

[small flower]

that counts as thrown yea

[languid mauve]

man yall are no fun

[copper gorge]

Not that im gunna use a million but curious

No no regen

[small flower]

oh yea no problems there

[copper gorge]

Chicken butt?

[small flower]

i think the only exception for that is chins

afaik

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/team-work-300-gif-18834279

[copper gorge]

Lmao

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/president-stops-president-smiles-ominous-smile-ominous-no-answer-gif-78197234359887585

[small flower]

honestly just having chins that doublethrow with melee strength contributing to range str is huge

[stiff hinge]

chins can't have shit damn

[small flower]

and giving them a chunky flat accuracy boost too

[languid mauve]

i think perma just doesn't understand my comedic genius

[stiff hinge]

i didn't see a single joke or anything that looked like it could be intended as a joke

[copper gorge]

Im gunna guess you got wednesday off too?

[small flower]

I have subconciously learned to just blank out gifs from my mind, it's like the image was never there

[languid mauve]

or it could just be me, haven't had a friend for 20 years lol oh well

[copper gorge]

Same bruh

Well my wife. But yeah

[short sphinx]

Dragon throwing knife’s is like insane in the DPS calc. But I don’t know if it’s accurate

[small flower]

we do get zanaris start, would be easy to get one

orrr, i assume easy depends on diamonds in varlamore i guess

[short sphinx]

Sorry I meant dragon knives

Throwing knives

[small flower]

oh

[short sphinx]

But the obby dagger is a better weapon

But dds still good if you take that spec node

[grizzled dove]

Am i crazy or is Bank Heist just the same teleports for most places as evil eye, but just with more tele options? like most regions bosses feel like there is a bank right there, raids, heuy, nex/gwd, etc?? like i see people say "well evil eye lets me tele to heuy bank so it just eliminates the purpose of bank heist?" where as i think the purpose of bank heist is the large quantity of value tp's you get to spots vs just teleporting to the 3/4 bosses in your area that dont have a bank chest

[small flower]

it depends on the region yea

but bank counting deposit boxes makes it pretty versatile

[short sphinx]

I’m def going evil eye just because I’m going to die so much bossing

[small flower]

hah

[grizzled dove]

yeah like i went through all the bosses on the wiki, and like i think there was say 6/7 bosses that dont have a bank/box near them

[small flower]

i think i have to go alacrity, i dont have much else for runecrafting

[grizzled dove]

wildy being a big point to take evil eye

[small flower]

ye, wildy is the major reason to do it

[short sphinx]

I might reload into soul harvest instead of butler

It’s hard choice tho

[grizzled dove]

but like im asgarian-kourend-desert, all the pvm content i have has a bank chest/deposit box next to it lmao

[short sphinx]

Thankfully I’ll get to see examples of what people take be fore I get there

[small flower]

oh, yea bank wins there very easily

especially if it lets you go straight to next bank, skip KC

nex*

[stone prairie]

People mentioned another reveal coming? Thought it was done

[grizzled dove]

1000%

[small flower]

🤷 idk, was there?

[grizzled dove]

i think butler is super op if you cant play all day long crazy hrs

[copper gorge]

I am waiting to see area task list but im im going 14 into range and 26 into mage

[short sphinx]

Tasks and that blank line in the webpage

[copper gorge]

Going into the echos and thrown line

And then air water and earth trees

[stone prairie]

Ohhh I forgot tasks haven’t beeen released yet
Kinda wild

[small flower]

oh, right, gem stall is in varlamore, decent chunk of thieveing req tho

[stiff hinge]

varlamore kind of has everything

[small flower]

apparently some chests upstairs in one area with a much lower thieveing level

may try that for an early dragon dagger

[short sphinx]

I will be Bluetooth Hali even if it sucks

[small flower]

lol

i want my dumb mass-doublehit thing even if it sucks XD

[short sphinx]

Yeah that’s why I was thinking of doing that

[stiff hinge]

you got herb, you got hops, you got tree, fruit, hardwood, calquat

you got thieving, construction, hunter

[short sphinx]

Dudes it really good early but it get out scaled with blind bag full bloodmoon

Imagine dds jad

Lmaoo

[small flower]

i'm kinda more on the lines of what do i use to kill amox, get the tecpatl, then use that to do moons

[short sphinx]

1 tick dds jad sounds awful

[small flower]

thinkin way earlier here

[short sphinx]

Ahhh

[stiff hinge]

i guess varlamore doesn't have any rc altars

[small flower]

36 thiev for the chests, chance for uncut diamond, get crafting from the gem stores cut it, get dragon dagger (the gems will ahve gotten plenty of cash at that point)

[short sphinx]

It’s ttk is like 10 secs faster then the glacial poppers

[stiff hinge]

but hey we've cosmics and natures

[small flower]

oh, gotta get 48 slayer anyway

[short sphinx]

So if you just go blind bag it saves you that respec

[small flower]

ok then

[weary drift]

anyone going wildy crossbow, how are yall dealing with prayer?

[small flower]

i don't even mean spec'ing into 1h for it

literally just put a dragon dagger on and kill amoxliatl

she is the easiest boss

[short sphinx]

Ahhhh

Rune mace

Better

[small flower]

well, either way, gotta get slayer up I guess

[short sphinx]

Mace shop has rune

In varla

[stiff hinge]

larrans chests drop ranarr seeds

i'm not going kcb to be clear

[weary drift]

Ahh, was just wondering is there was some infinite prayer thing like mage has

[stiff hinge]

but i think the solution is chug balls prayer potions

[short sphinx]

I mean don’t blighted items still drop from mobs

[stiff hinge]

nah that's mage only,

[alpine peak]

question how fast will herblor be ? without the herblor relic

[stiff hinge]

ehhhhh

[short sphinx]

Slow as fuck

[stiff hinge]

yeah not very fast

[short sphinx]

Well leagues slow

[weary drift]

depends, butlers can make it quicker with afk time

[stiff hinge]

you need a LOT of herbs for leveling herblore

[small flower]

^ this

[alpine peak]

yea but is like taking herblor relic too

[small flower]

it's easy enough getting the herbs later on, but it takes time to make the things without it, plus secondaries

[short sphinx]

Also just go hunter and use moths for prayer

[alpine peak]

no xp for gathering or crafting one of those from buttler

[small flower]

butler does give you xp

[weary drift]

im talking about herblore exp

[small flower]

"When the Demon butler processes resources for you, he will share a 10 XP (before League XP multipliers) with you in the relevant production skill per resource. The Butler's bell can be retrieved from the Leagues tutor in Yama's lair if lost."

[short sphinx]

For this?

[weary drift]

oh no, nvm lol

[short sphinx]

lol you good but I’m doing moonlight moths with hunter meat for my prayer pots

It’ll get me by early

[small flower]

i mean it doesn't say % of what it gives or anything, just straight up 10 xp per item, it should work for the potions too

[copper gorge]

If youre going woodsman you get herb and tree seeds

[short sphinx]

Butler makes potions?

[small flower]

yea, unfinished pots

[copper gorge]

You gotta do some farming but yesh

[short sphinx]

You don’t get exp for unfinished pots tho

[small flower]

he might be wild crafting xp tbh

if it's 10 xp per resource

he vomits out flax/bowstrings

[short sphinx]

Ahh you right there

When he picks flax you get farming?

lol

[alpine peak]

ya know a website or video that will help me choose my areas by order ?

is a lot

[stiff hinge]

you can get 2k base herb from zogre flesh eaters if you take kandarin and not mory, that's just shy of 32 at t2

[small flower]

it just mentions processing them, not gathering so idk

[short sphinx]

Look up a cold one on YouTube https://youtu.be/iATSGqRzjQk?si=jGFoV5RWK6iR8xIz

[small flower]

250 crafting xp a minute before multipliers is a neat passive though

[alpine peak]

good looking

[short sphinx]

Dude our crafting and smithing is set tho

[small flower]

i know lol

[short sphinx]

Try for the win

[small flower]

yea

hitting t5 will be nice

elves and vyres alike

[stiff hinge]

how do you even get snape grass...

[short sphinx]

Yeah that my afk method

Fremmy

[stiff hinge]

wrong answer

[small flower]

you can transmute potato seeds up to snape grass

uhh

[short sphinx]

^

[stiff hinge]

you can get 'em from tribespeople in karamja i guess

[small flower]

yea i guess that's the early way

or chasm crawlers

[short sphinx]

I feel like transmute is such an op skill but you have to really use it for it to be op

[stiff hinge]

there's exactly one spawn in varlamore lmfao

[short sphinx]

And I feel like I’ll just forget to use it

[stiff hinge]

and you have to telegrab it

incredible dickhead behaviour going for that

[small flower]

cave crawlers are probably it? if you really really want snape grass at the start

then tribespeople in karamja

[stiff hinge]

i think tribespeople is the way to go easily

[small flower]

ye, idk if you really need the pots before karamja anyway

[stiff hinge]

by the time you need prayer pots you'll easily be able to buy the karamja antipoisons

[short sphinx]

I wonder if gauntlet would be good herblore exp

[stiff hinge]

second area was 90 tasks in L5, and 60 tasks in L4

[small flower]

gaunt doesn't give herbs?

oh you mean inside

hm

[stiff hinge]

that's a funny method

[small flower]

10 xp per potion

lol

it IS 1 herb to start

XD

[short sphinx]

lol I mean I’m probably showing up at 5 herblore

[stiff hinge]

CG has no reqs since picking T autocompletes sote, right?

[small flower]

that is a good point

[stiff hinge]

that's funny

[small flower]

yes

early smith/craft too

though nowhere near as farmable as the herb

just make lots of helmets inside? XD

[short sphinx]

Lmao

Are you taking transmute

Or butler

[small flower]

transmute I think

but i'm not 100% sure

idc about the wraths

transmute is effectively free onyx's

[stiff hinge]

transmute seems like an "i need things, i will simply create things"

[small flower]

which is nice

and the ultra compost is nice

[short sphinx]

Yeah that’s why I’m hesitant

[small flower]

actually nvm

[short sphinx]

Cuz butler will work while I work

[small flower]

yea transmute

[still trellis]

iirc transmute specifically blocks gems higher than dragonstone lol

[small flower]

it does the pyre log thing

[small flower]

mine/buy/steal a load of iron ore, transmute to runite, sell for way more tokkul

[short sphinx]

^

[small flower]

as many onyx as you could want

or armor/weaopns

[stiff hinge]

iron to runite is something like 6 casts for 100x value

[small flower]

yea

[stiff hinge]

i did the numbers a couple days ago but i forgot

[short sphinx]

Yeah I’ll save my reload to use on butler if I find out it’s nicer

[still trellis]

one cast, since you can cast downwards and it loops around iirc

[stiff hinge]

is that real

[proper wave]

what do you guys think is the highest spec dps?

[small flower]

and being able to make oak pyre logs and just transmute them as you sla yor something, go back and do pyre with redwood logs just sounds amazingly fast for fm

[short sphinx]

What does iirc mean sorry

[still trellis]

if i recall correctly

[short sphinx]

Ahh thank you

[gilded totem]

Anyone know if there's an updated (Single) page with all notable drops for Leagues? Best I've seen is from 2020 Trailblazer.

[small flower]

if it actually loops that'd be amazing

[stiff hinge]

yeah that would be insane

[north cave]

Does endless food relic work on barbarian mixes and/or guthix rest?

[stiff hinge]

no, those are potions

[small flower]

uhh, probably not rest

did the jmod get back to clarify on barb pots?

[north cave]

They give attack delay no? I guess rests don’t

[stiff hinge]

turning copper into runite with one cast would be insanely high value

[short sphinx]

D claws

[proper wave]

you think d claws with the light tree is going to be higher spec dps?

[short sphinx]

With the spec replenishment nodes and the 25% chance to not use spec

[small flower]

if the ranged echo chance can proc from each hitsplat on things, dclaws wins

[short sphinx]

No just the first

[small flower]

oh?

well that's sad

was that a mod reponse somewhere? i'll go hunting if so

[short sphinx]

Yeah I mean if you spec into the fire element the dogger goes hard too

[short sphinx]

Look at the one video they put out after the pacts

[stiff hinge]

husky did say echos are once per attack not once per hitsplat in response to somebody asking about kbc, in the leagues discord

[short sphinx]

I think it’s when faux was going over his build

[stiff hinge]

can both of king's barrage bolt attacks trigger ranged echoes?
[9:39 PM]JagexHusky (☕): I dont believe so. Its once per attack not once per hitsplat

[small flower]

ranged echoes are different

ranged echoes trigger on ammo regen

melee ranged echo node says on hit

[stiff hinge]

maaaybe

[small flower]

which is where i'd def like clarification

[stiff hinge]

understandable

[short sphinx]

Well it only works for the one hit on scythe

[small flower]

that's probably the clearest confirmation then ye

bummer

[short sphinx]

1:43 in to that video

[stiff hinge]

what's even the point then

[short sphinx]

Or it might be closer to 140

[stiff hinge]

smfh

[short sphinx]

So technically blindbag works with up to 28 weapons

[stiff hinge]

let's go gambling!

[short sphinx]

Hahah

[stiff hinge]

max hit: like 13k

[grizzled dove]

i really wanted to take butler for the herbs to make herb exp giga op, but transmutation just gives you access to sooooo much

[short sphinx]

Yeah but it’s like a 1 in 100000000000000000000

[short sphinx]

It’s really just up to how much you can play

[stiff hinge]

ten hits is slightly worse than one in a million

[short sphinx]

If you take butler early you can always reload into transmute

[stiff hinge]

so a couple people will probably see ten hits

not much more than that

[short sphinx]

If they have 10 weapons in inventory

[grizzled dove]

ig if im transmuting the best herb seeds i can get, and just do my farm runs every day i can still get big herb exp

[short sphinx]

Nobody is gonna carry that much

[small flower]

what video, i'm not seeing anything on the osrs channel

[stiff hinge]

aren't herb rotations like ten minutes with the 5x faster ticks

~16 minutes

[short sphinx]

https://www.twitch.tv/oldschoolrs

It’s a stream vod

My bad

[small flower]

oh

[grizzled dove]

i just get giga dopamine in the thought of like, 8 hours overnight is 4800 herb

[small flower]

i'll be real, i've not visited twitch in ilke 4 years, idk how to navigate this nonsense

[short sphinx]

At 1:40 faux starts talking about his build

I’ll try to link video

[small flower]

i'm also an old fart, idk who these people are

[short sphinx]

Click on video and go to past broadcasts

It’s the 2nd one with the demonic pact layout

[small flower]

k

[short sphinx]

It’s around 1:40 faux is the bald guy

[stiff hinge]

does anyone remember if we start at 3 herb or not in leagues

[short sphinx]

I think 5

Nvm

3 herb 5 RC

[stiff hinge]

43 guam for 26 with attacks, then 41 harralander to 38 with energies, then prayer potion go brrrrrrr
assuming 8x multiplier

that's a pretty trivial amount

[south niche]

Is the king's barrage ice attack going to count as a water spell?

[small flower]

yes

[gilded totem]

Without asgarnia you can't get max cape can you?

[small flower]

you can, it's available in the yama lair you start at

or leageus tutor, wherever that guy ends up being

[gilded totem]

ah cool

Wheel gave me Asgarnia anyway but I was still wondering

[rich rune]

lol so if unarmed is counts as a light weapon equipped, and you take barbarian which counts as a crystal tool. I am pretty sure unarmed is BIS @ guardians as long as you don't have wilderness, desert, or Trya, and have taken barb + light weapon nodes.

[gilded totem]

just punch them?

[rich rune]

lol yea

[gilded totem]

lol

lame

no wheel for y'all I guess

You'll have to randomize your regions manually

[small flower]

they were talkin about misc things but i'm not catching anything at all about echo chance from multi hit melee :/

[rich rune]

lol so the calc will not let me put in the fist to try it, but black pick beats crystal with the light weapon nodes

So I am almost entirely sure losing 12 str bonus is worth the additional tick (black pick is 4 tick because it is less than 1kg)

[small flower]

the clarification that melee ranged echos will count as melee and not buff your next melee hit on that 25% node is nice to know though

well, worst case i try it as starter tree and see if i can force it by testing

[short sphinx]

I swear I heard that it only works on the first attack not multi hit splats

But I also could be wrong

[small flower]

well i've listened to about -5+15 mins from the 1:40 marker now and not a word about that specific thing

worth for the 25% node clarity, i can drop that

[short sphinx]

That would have been op

[wary egret]

is COX CM drop rate 8x?

[small flower]

i think the change they made for cox cm is that rigour/augury is less common

[small flower]

it might just have been somewhere earlier in it, or on some other vid, i'll be doing blood moon for a while no matter the case anyway, so will maybe figure it out in practice

[worldly stream]

what time on wednesday does leageus release?

[small flower]

yea just went from the start of the tree portion to the end of the video, wasn't in that one wherever it may have been

idk if they've posted a time

can't easily find it on the blog post or on wiki at least

just april 15th

[tawny atlas]

"whenever you max hit from at least 3 tiles away, your next hit from a different style deals +25% damage" King's barrage doesnt proc this to and by itself does it? with the ice attack?

[toxic vortex]

Supposed to be 7am eastern time

[uncut swift]

Hi friends, Do we have any popular guides for this leagues? im interested to see the builds people are creating

[toxic vortex]

I am following Faux's max fun build, for the most part

[stiff hinge]

guides are for squares, we theorycraft badly and die like men

[small flower]

no, they both count as ranged attacks even if the ice hit counts as an ice spell for the pact tree effects

[shadow badger]

I'm using this as a guide

[odd idol]

What is that

[unkempt terrace]

runeleagues

website

[shadow badger]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Guide:Leagues:_Demonic_pacts_starting_guide_by_Laef#Starting_out:_Money_and_Early_Hunter_(Tier_I)
There's a link on this page

[uncut swift]

ima steal this one. thank you.

[odd idol]

Ty

[olive sun]

where is the export button on there void?

[shadow badger]

I'm not sure

I couldn't find it

[small flower]

my plan is start, get EH, find a tree, click it, alt tab to main guy and at some point eventually i'll go fishing or something on him so i can move the alt to an oak maybe!

[shadow badger]

You'll get to oak and then willow in like 15 logs

[small flower]

yea but i'll have like 2000 logs by the time i stop moving on the main and can check back XD

[dull imp]

5 godswords 5 scythe go brr

[shadow badger]

5 Godswords 5 Scythes 5 Halberds 5 Axes 5 Hammers

[dull imp]

It’s like the drive through video

https://tenor.com/view/55-burgers-fries-tater-tots-pastas-gif-16276634907982959412

[pliant temple]

@short sphinx just letting you know i have returned to the light side and am going hally blind bag again, i didnt turn to evil mage

[molten gust]

I wonder if tomorrow they will release something else. Or will the only release we see be the task list.

[short sphinx]

Yesssssss

Welcome back

[wary egret]

For butlers bell does he need to gather first then process or is process just 1 command and you just get half?

[short sphinx]

The light side welcomes you with open arms

[short sphinx]

It’s either or

I don’t think it does both at the same time

[ebon fulcrum]

i can't wait for all my planning to go out the window two hours in when someone finds the actual meta

[short sphinx]

Nah even if Bluetooth Hali blows

I’m still rocking with it

[ebon fulcrum]

only thing i know is im going wildy

wildy is so fun

[dull imp]

just skilling rush and dont unlock anything until the metas figured out. 3k points from hunter alone and should be pretty quick. Then you can also get fletching and crafting tasks done as well with transmutation. Also prayer easy 99 at that point, etc etc

[ebon fulcrum]

yeah i mean i have a pretty basic plan set of relics but generally i play slow and others will beat me to the higher tiers at which point if my plan looks terrible i'll pivot a little

[dull imp]

i have my relics figured out, but the pacts and regions ill probably flex on. I want to see how powerful dogger and airmage are and what they look like before i commit

[ebon fulcrum]

like in leagues 5 i was going super slow and wildy + spec relic looked super fun with the melee build i had been forming and i went all in and had more fun that league than any of the other 3 ive played

bring back my beloved khopesh

[dull imp]

my initial pacts are just going to buffing the sunlight crossbow

[ebon fulcrum]

im torn on my last region but p sure ill pick kourend and wildy as two

[dull imp]

asgarnia really strong with bbc

[ebon fulcrum]

frem and tirannwn both being strongly considered but ive been mory almost every time so i feel like i know how to play it best

[dull imp]

tirannwn echo kinda useless for kourend and wildy echo items

[ebon fulcrum]

oh its in ammo spot

shoot

yeah

thought it was cape slot for some reason

[dull imp]

i wish it was a bracelet

[wary egret]

Yeah but like if I want him to make planks will he tell me he doesn’t have the wood and needs to gather first?

[dull imp]

i thought he genned them out of thin air at half rate?

[wary egret]

That’s what I thought too. Just wanted to confirm

[small flower]

for raw materials he collects them, tell him to get planks or cooked fish and he does it all (he collects less of the processed resources)

[stiff hinge]

yeah no he doesn't interact with the items that are already in your bank. he just creates shit out of thin air to give to you

[wary egret]

The crafting xp is so huge lol

95 crafting for zenytes in like 40 hours?

[dull imp]

less than that with transmute

you can do cowhides -> black dhide super fast

[small flower]

he means you can have the butler collect bowstrings

he gives you xp based on amount of material collected

and he collects a ton of bowstrings

[dull imp]

ohhh

[small flower]

so it's literally just xp

[dull imp]

i missed the butler bit

yeah that conflicts with transmute though

and transmute is the easiest herb and farming solve

also transmute crazy money maker

iron ore to runite ore

smith/alch or just raw alch the runite

theres so much content in varlamore like holy

im gunna be able to chill in varlamore only for like a week

[stiff hinge]

yeah it's the do everything zone 2.0

zeah eat your heart out

[dull imp]

greenlog moons, get to do vardorvis, get a whip, colo, doom, hunter, get short clues if i unlock no other regions

[stiff hinge]

greenlogging moons early seems like a pain in the ass

[dull imp]

i wont do it til 5x multi

hunter rush should get me to 5x multi easy

[stiff hinge]

isn't 5x multi baseline...?

[dull imp]

no thats xp

5x drop rate is like t4 i think

[stiff hinge]

ah yeah

2x by default, 5x at t4

[dull imp]

so im basically gunna skill til i get 5x, then start combats

basically gunna see how far i can push on pure varlamore, since the clues will be easy if no other region is unlocked

[stiff hinge]

t4 was 2.5k points in leagues 5... i can see the points being higher because they can put a ton of stuff in doing all kinds of varlamore content

[wary egret]

Im reloading back to transmute

[dull imp]

last league i did similar with misthalin and had masters that were literally just standin puro puro

[wary egret]

Let the butler work while I grind tasks

Although it is a hard decision

[dull imp]

eh - woodsman - map - transmute - larceny - culling - soul harvest - minion for me

[wary egret]

Transmute is a crack catalyst for prayer training

[dull imp]

i want the easy 50m rc solve off harvest

[random sky]

anyone know if soul harvest replaces the gathered farming resources?

[dull imp]

stand at any alter and spam left click

[molten gust]

No

[dull imp]

it shoudlnt

[molten gust]

You still get herbs along side the shards.

[random sky]

wording is confusing thanks

[molten gust]

Its only bones where you don’t get them.

Just the shards.

[random sky]

"while harvesting any farm or crop, ..., you will instead havest stackable soul shards"

very confusing from jagex

[dull imp]

Alongside harvesting or checking the health of any crop, or in place of NPCs dropping bones or ashes, you will harvest stackable soul shards.

from the wiki

alongside for harvest crop, in place of for bones/ashes

shitty wording tbh

[random sky]

im reading from the osrs news webpage

but yeah

[dull imp]

but toggleable as well

[random sky]

it seemed like that would be really weird, didnt think it would do that

[wary egret]

Do we think air mage will be pray sustainable or will that build be chugging restores

[dull imp]

should be pray sustain on surge spell

[stiff hinge]

sir you generate like 3 prayer points per tick

there's no way it goes down

[dull imp]

i think pray mage will have a ton of prayers active though

[wary egret]

Exactly. It’s as many as possible for max dps

[random sky]

is tir sleeper first pick this year cause the pact tasks are kinda easy?

[stiff hinge]

ok actually it's 1 air rune per attack, that's not as much as i expected

but you're running (close to) 50 prayer bonus anyway

[dull imp]

thats what a lot of people are doing, power staff 2t rush with pray pen

[random sky]

ye

i wanna do Tir>mory>idk(kandarin probably)

[dull imp]

ktm is what i have mapped right now

[random sky]

seems like i can play with multiple builds with that combo

[dull imp]

yea

[random sky]

can do fun thorns

[dull imp]

im doing kandarin first for afk barb fishing while working

[random sky]

can do ballista memes

[dull imp]

free agil xp

[random sky]

kand first looks rough for the combat tasks tho

[dull imp]

its a great second skilling region

[random sky]

i probably take it last lol

[dull imp]

im pretty much maxing skills and supplies then spamming combat

[rich rune]

Yea Kand seems super slayer locked tbh

[wary egret]

That’s a good point. Was thinking about zeah for all the skilling things but barb fishing being 4 skills at once with hotfoot is nice

[random sky]

mory before kand so i can get slayer helm and good tasks

[rich rune]

I was gunna kand first (kza), but now I'm gunno (zka)

I'm taking culling, I think it's the angle for air mages

[random sky]

i was thinking EH, but I think i might give into the barb gathering

[dull imp]

and 6 hour log afk with a rock on the spacebar

[stiff hinge]

49 prayer bonus with protect, steel skin, burst of strength, clarity of thought, restore+heal+protect item+preserve means you drain 20.89 points per minute, or 1 point every 2.87 seconds
casting any surge will be expected to restore 1 point per 1.2 seconds while attacking, if you have 100% rune regen

[dull imp]

dunno if theyre gunna allow that or not

but they added the afk relics sooooooo

[rich rune]

I think they are both powerful, barb just seems more fun.

[random sky]

barb gathering with woodsman is basically free afk for fm

which devalues the EH

and I Can powermine iron anywhere seems fine

[dull imp]

huh, im talking normal barb fishing like base game

[random sky]

barb saves me more time from agility than it costs me powermining

[dull imp]

not barb gathering relic

[wary egret]

Or at a minimum mobile just login and tap 12 times lol

I might set 30 min alarms on my phone

[random sky]

i was wondering does barb gathering stack with barb fishing in kand?

[dull imp]

it does

[random sky]

kinda neat

[dull imp]

i was thinking about a meme, barb gathering into reloaded eh sitting in kand

[random sky]

have to hit t

7

[stiff hinge]

for 200m fishing/str/agility? lol

[random sky]

sus meme

[stiff hinge]

and cooking with hotfoot i guess

that'd be funny

[dull imp]

200m fishing, 50m agil and str

[stiff hinge]

ah

[rich rune]

I really want to do the meme and get Flowstate + Barb Gather

[dull imp]

might do it as an alt build

[rich rune]

Fast Minecraft

[dull imp]

i think flowstate is bait

[random sky]

flowstate feels bait to me too

[rich rune]

It is entirely

[dull imp]

reloading into eh is more xp per tick

[random sky]

everything it helps is already solved

[rich rune]

I complety agree

[random sky]

and the most worst skill without a solve from any other relic is Rc

[rich rune]

But I think it's funny and I will chop tree at ice faster

[random sky]

so if you want to 50m rc, you need soulharvest

[dull imp]

yea

rc already slow maingame even with agil map zeah its still slow

[random sky]

but i need larcenist too

[wary egret]

They should’ve replaced abundance or bg with flow state

[random sky]

so reloading for t5 augs

[dull imp]

This is my planner, dunno if it shows up properly

[stiff hinge]

🤔

[random sky]

oh yeah, anyone figure out if map of alacrity is good vs EE?

[dull imp]

oh cant post the link lol

[dull imp]

alacrity is bis

[stiff hinge]

i think it depends a lot on regions

[rich rune]

I think unless you take soul harvest you dump RC. If you wanna max, you take soul harvester.

[dull imp]

fast barrows, fast bank, fast rc,

fast slayer dungeon tps

[rich rune]

Fast barrows?

[stiff hinge]

wildy for example drastically improves the value of EE because there aren't a huge number of shortcuts and they aren't in great places, and a lot of the bosses are near other places you might want to TP anyway

[dull imp]

yea, theres agil shortcut at barrows

ee does get you single chest runs faster but i did single runs last league and they were kekw

[stiff hinge]

wtf since when is that there

[dull imp]

a while lol

[wary egret]

Alacarity is strong for wildy too

[dull imp]

no one uses it

[stiff hinge]

oh added in may 2024

that'd be why

[wary egret]

Rev teles, larrans chest

[dull imp]

fast zulrah

[random sky]

mostly worried about boss teles tho

[dull imp]

fast toa

[rich rune]

Oh damn, so you think map mory, or map all?

[stiff hinge]

larrans has a shortcut?

[dull imp]

map all

yea larrans has close shortcut

[dull imp]

map all

its like 50000000 tps vs 30

unless you are doing EE flask shenanigans

[stiff hinge]

...where?

[rich rune]

Can I hear your argument for map Kandi, Zeah, and Asg

I was gunna go boss

[dull imp]

north slayer dungeon

[random sky]

what is the flask shenanagines?

[rich rune]

Huey is a bank

[random sky]

with ee?

[dull imp]

ee tp to CG reset flask by going in out, tp to real boss you want to do flask, burn repeat

[random sky]

lmfao

shit

that might break it for me

[stiff hinge]

would be cool if you could reset it with house/ferox pool or by dropping and retrieving it from yama or something

[random sky]

was already leaning toward flask

"we have recall at home"

[rich rune]

Flask is really good with high dps imo. I know that minion will be better dps though. I still prefer flask.

[random sky]

what is the argument for map in TMK?

[stiff hinge]

flask passes the vibe check
minion does not
shrimple as that

[tacit oyster]

Flask cooldown should reset when you enter cg

[stiff hinge]

it does, but not everyone is taking T

[rich rune]

Mory he said barrows, Tyra he said cg

[naive needle]

I feel like halberd is being slept on. Hitting 12+ with 4 pacts seems crazy

[rich rune]

Yea I'm not seeing the map vision on Kandarin Zeah Asg

[random sky]

barrows isnt a plus over EE, just on par

[small flower]

blood altar on M for map

[random sky]

what can it do besides boss teles

[dull imp]

zeah - blood alter, kand - farm tp, clue steps tp, ag - farm tp, tree tp, slayer tps,

[stiff hinge]

with what weapon in particular?

[dull imp]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Map_of_Alacrity_(Demonic_Pacts_League)

look at this page and scroll to your regions and see if any look useful to you

but off the top those are the major ones

[naive needle]

bronze halberd. 3+3/tile and a distance of 4 tiles

[dull imp]

whereas bosses are like already solved with house tps and fairy rings most of the time

[tacit oyster]

Late game flask explosion dps on single target is about 50% of buffed minion dps (without cg)

[rich rune]

I just don't see anything being faster for bosses than Huey tp to bank, then tele to boss

[dull imp]

yeah if you want to purely bossing rush go EE

but everything else is gunna be map

[rich rune]

I'm just a t8 guy

[dull imp]

tons of skilling next to agil shortcuts as well

[small flower]

you going non-hally non-tank melee or something?

[random sky]

looks most useful in kandarin

[small flower]

shouldn't need to bank all that much with the amount of healing available

[dull imp]

and you can transmute mats to send them to your bank

[small flower]

(i am going non-hally non-tank melee for the record)

[tacit oyster]

Auburnvale bank is like 3-5 seconds away from shortcut

[rich rune]

No, I'm air mage. Asg is for giant prayer and Fang of hound. I'm putting a light melee dip in to 1kg weapons to main hand the dagger vs tek and melee hand.

[smoky raft]

I-

Holy shit

[dull imp]

so if its a transmuteable resource no need to bank, if its alchable you normal alch it, if its a bone/ash/etc, it stacks with soul harvest

[smoky raft]

I never thought about that

[dull imp]

and if you need it back to what it was originally, just transmute it back down kekw

[smoky raft]

I mean I was never not going to take Transmutation but this is just even better

[dull imp]

yeah transmute is best relic bar none

unless you are turbo afk

then butler

[small flower]

so i guess desert+fremm is definitely not a combo to take map on

[naive needle]

auto bank only works with noted items no?

[dull imp]

probably not

[rich rune]

This is honestly the best argument I have heard against EE

[smoky raft]

honestly transmute is still incredibly good afk

[small flower]

i mean it's still got good regions

err

region?

wildy

[smoky raft]

you can transmute stacks while endless harvesting

[small flower]

idk where else

[rich rune]

Transmute is my wrath rune solve.

I think I can get Wraths faster with transmute than any other method. I don't wanna wait until t5 and I don't wanna gamble on Yama.

[small flower]

^that too, i think i'm gonna hold off on my mage to check if the whole rune altar thing works in wildy before actually picking it tho

[dull imp]

not sure, i think transmute turns items into noted, then you transmute again to bank

but if transmute works where raw goes to raw, then we can have rc solve without soul harvest

[random sky]

i feel like transmute doesnt solve anything for me, but butler does cons and herb

[dull imp]

transmute is herb since mixology

[small flower]

butler is a very solid option

[rich rune]

I'm avoiding taking Soul Harvester, even if wildy works for altar, you'll need to train RC 🙁

[dull imp]

one herb patch is like 16 mins

[smoky raft]

transmute solves cons too

[minor summit]

Sounds obvious, but does the T8, Sage's Axe work with the thrown weapons Demonic Pact Tree?

[smoky raft]

can transmute logs into mahog logs

[cloud panther]

yes

[dull imp]

endless harvest normal tree chopping is going to be my go to

then transmute up the stack

[random sky]

still have to make those logs into planks and pay for them

[minor summit]

Butler can make planks for free

[dull imp]

transmute iron into rune and high alch it

[small flower]

yea i'd love to take soul harvest on the alt, not dealing with RC would be nice, but it's Tirr, and larcenist in tirr is hard to pass up

[rich rune]

Gem to dragonstone too for raw cash. Do GG style methods.

[smoky raft]

transmute also solves gp, but yeah you will have to run planks for a bit

[dull imp]

oh yea that too

aubernvale saw mill pretty chill imo

[rich rune]

I think people are sleeping on larcenist 10x clue if they are going air mage

[dull imp]

if kandarin you can also hire a butler

[dull imp]

larcesnit made me drop the conniving clue

[small flower]

i'll need like one piece from clues on him (he is indeed air mage) just a stole

[rich rune]

You will be doing a lot of easy clues, if you don't take clue, your vestments might get sticky

[small flower]

if transmute isn't needed i'll probably do the clue one

[rich rune]

I think people are sleeping too hard on it this leagues because we have Varla start

[random sky]

my issue with transmute solve on herb/cons is it requires so much other work, whereas the butler is direct

[small flower]

well... i guess i should check which i even get stoles from XD

[rich rune]

See you in 20 or so days

[tacit oyster]

larcenists biggest benefit is clues, only helps kandarin pickers

[small flower]

oh, meds aren't too bad

[dull imp]

if i can get larcenist before opening a new zone, i can spam through a fuck ton of clues super fast

[rich rune]

I think Butler is over valued by the avg player

[small flower]

XD

[random sky]

also i am working 6-days a week for the whole league, but its a desk job so I will be able to do some afkable stuff and play after work

but yeah im not speedrunning this one

[small flower]

i think transmute has more utility with the whole wrath thing, and unlimited tokkul

[dull imp]

then reload into soul harvest when i start combats

[small flower]

but butler is still very nice

[random sky]

and the time i do have, i dont want to spend at the transmute junglegym

[rich rune]

If you want to be lazy, wait 20 days, then play leagues or point cap. Sure Butler is sick.

[pliant temple]

man i am so indecisive with this leagues

[dull imp]

its passive?

you have a stack you click transmute on it and you let it rip

[rich rune]

If you want immediate impact on your relic choice, I think you go transmute

You just start solving problems

[pliant temple]

blindbag hally seems so fun then i realized how long it actually takes to come online and now i want to do something else again

[random sky]

do herb runs and minigame, mine rune smith alch sawmill

[dull imp]

start sunlight hunter crossbow

[random sky]

not passive

[dull imp]

ok how are you going to get your farming level?

[pliant temple]

by the time i get it fully online im just not going to want to play leagues anymore lol

[rich rune]

I think it's a trap build

[random sky]

farming is my weakest skill for sure

[naive needle]

does it? with double melee range and 3+3/tile damage, any halberd is going to be hitting 12+. Even higher once the 7 range pact is picked.

[random sky]

but its already accelerated

[dull imp]

also i dont need to mine rune, and smithing and crafting is larcenist solve in tiranwyn

[random sky]

and i will get seeds from pvm

[dull imp]

i afk mine iron and convert to rune for alching

[pliant temple]

im thinking of maybe doing dogger thorns build with range secondary instead

[random sky]

so you are going to smelt the rune bars too?

[pliant temple]

anyone have any numbers/builds for that?

[rich rune]

Works if you have smith solve

[dull imp]

probably not

[random sky]

since you cant transmute bars

[dull imp]

just raw alch the ore

or sell runes back to the shops

or gems

[rich rune]

Hm raw rune

[dull imp]

tons of gp solves with transmute

[tacit oyster]

runite ore high alcs for 1.9k

[rich rune]

Oh I agree, i just think do gems

Since there's no middle step

And no reqs

[dull imp]

yea

[tacit oyster]

dragonstone high alchs for 600, if cut then 6k

[dull imp]

gems is best

best part of transmute is dropping superior bones on the ground everywhere to troll

[smoky raft]

for the fellow "Larcenist as a clue solve" enjoyers:

• 1/85 easy clues from Wealthy Citizens
• 1/150 medium clues from Gnomes (Kandarin only)
• 1/500 hard clues from Paladins (Kandarin only)
• 1/1,400 elite clues from Heroes (Kandarin only)

If you aren't picking Kandarin, the ONLY clue scroll you can reliably get from Larcenist boosted Thieving is easy tier

[dull imp]

and those are 10x'd

not too bad

also all the clues from endless harvest nodes

[rich rune]

So kandarin post t5 is the angle if you want easy.

[smoky raft]

If you're planning to use Larcenist as a clue solve and also actually need to do clues, sure, why not

[rich rune]

I want vestments

That's pretty much it

[tacit oyster]

I will get easy clues from larcenist and elite clues from culling spree. just gotta rng few hard clues from mob drops and maybe catch some eclectics for medium clues for collection slots

[rich rune]

So yes!

[tranquil pond]

realistically, how long will 95 rc for wrath runes take without transmutation or soul harvester?

is gotr good in the league?

[tacit oyster]

depends on regions

[tranquil pond]

kandarin, zeah, desert

so both zmi and gotr

[tacit oyster]

gotr is slow even if you manage to get decent sized team

[dull imp]

need flow state for gotr 🤣

[smoky raft]

well, for one, you'll need to do a bit of gotr to get a catalytic talisman in the first place, since you can't get a wrath talisman

[tranquil pond]

i guess zmi is the same way

[tacit oyster]

you would either do zmi or fire/combo runes for fast xp

[tranquil pond]

it's purchaseable in kandarin

[tacit oyster]

but then you need pure essence

[tranquil pond]

specifically for the league

[smoky raft]

ah

[tranquil pond]

endless harvesting essence will be fine i guess

[smoky raft]

I've never picked kandarin before

[tranquil pond]

i think it's new specifically for this league

it's my first league so idk

[alpine swallow]

If I go KTZ how would I get wrath runes? 🤔

[smoky raft]

well, either way, standard altar runecraft will be a lot quicker if you have Map as your T3

[dull imp]

just transmute

[tacit oyster]

hope you can smuggle one out from barbarian assault

[dull imp]

solves that ez

[tranquil pond]

kandarin has rc

[alpine swallow]

Going butler

[tranquil pond]

at level 95

[alpine swallow]

Yeah but you can't get a talisman

[smoky raft]

Map gives quick teles to Cosmic, Nature, and False Blood

[tranquil pond]

you can

[smoky raft]

(in your regions)

[tranquil pond]

this league adds it to the runes shop apparently

[alpine swallow]

OK that's huge. Ty

[tranquil pond]

yeah, trying to decide which t5 relic i don't pick, since i'm pretty much set on using reloaded to pick a 2nd

[tacit oyster]

there is chance you can regenerate real wrath rune and bring it out of barbarian assault. seems like barbarian assault has custom runes so it might not check to delete the real rune ID

[tranquil pond]

and i'm thinking it might be soul harvest i skip

[limpid saddle]

Has the release time on the 15th been confirmed anywhere yet

[dull imp]

natures accord is trolling

[rich rune]

How is it trolling?

[tranquil pond]

how so, solving farming and getting a super nice tp just sounds good

[dull imp]

its barely a buff to farming

compared to last leagues insta grow

[stiff hinge]

If we cast a surge spell using the fountain of rune can you regenerate a wrath rune?

JagexHusky (☕): Probably. Regeneration just looks at the cost of the spell, not whether or not you actually used the runes

from leagues discord

[tacit oyster]

usually 1 hour after game update but not confirmed i guess

[rich rune]

You don't need the farming level right?

You just plant?

[tranquil pond]

it's 10x xp

[stiff hinge]

tbf instant grow is A LOT more than 10x exp

[tranquil pond]

true

[dull imp]

if you go transmute you dont need natures accord since you can always plant max seeds

[wintry trellis]

still makes tithe so much easier for kourend pickers

[dull imp]

i loved instant grow last league

[tranquil pond]

i'm not going transmute

[dull imp]

oh

[tacit oyster]

10x xp on herbs/allotments, nice buff to snape grass i guess. If you took zeah its crazy xp/h in tithe farm

[dull imp]

whelp

[tranquil pond]

butler is basically a requirement for me with my limited play time

[dull imp]

yeah u need a farming solve then if not going transmute

i mean transmute tree seeds and just do a tree run on login will get you 50m pretty quik

[tranquil pond]

sure

but butler

[tacit oyster]

butler will get 25-35m xp in 5 different skill during league without needing to do anything and can use the resources to train skills for easy 50m

[rich rune]

Be 1 Farm, Pick Nature's Accord, Plant Callastrus tree, cut in to battle staff. Do all farming tasks. Proceed to never farm again.

[tranquil pond]

natures accord also makes tithe farm super chill as a nice added bonus

[dull imp]

dragonfruit tree - 285k per check. mahog tree - 252k, calquat - 200k, magic tree 222k

[tacit oyster]

butler is just not good for rushing points and tasks fast if you play a lot

[dull imp]

sure you can speed that up 10x but if you just do 1 tree run a day you get 50m farming easily

[tranquil pond]

yeah, it's definitely not for rushing

[rich rune]

Why are we even farming. It removes the level req on stuff. Just do the tasks and be done unless you are trying to max.

[dull imp]

if youre not trying to get 50m farming either then i dunno if natures is even worth it

[tranquil pond]

i suppose that's true

not sure what i'll use my reloaded for then

[rich rune]

I'm not sure how it's not a solve for literally every farming task in the game

[dull imp]

transmute for afk magic

i dunno

[tranquil pond]

i'm maining magic

[dull imp]

go endless harvest barbarian

[tranquil pond]

so eh

[stiff hinge]

oh huh

[dull imp]

and get infinite agil/str

[tranquil pond]

endless harvest barbarian actually sounds kinda hilarious

[dull imp]

if you go kandarin you finish 50m agil and str at barb fishing at 200m fishing

[tranquil pond]

but barbarian kinda makes hotfoot obsolete

[stiff hinge]

there are no changes to hespori growth time, right?

[dull imp]

woodsman op

[rich rune]

Hot foot is meh tbh

[tranquil pond]

hm, i suppose

[stiff hinge]

that's gonna be annoying, it means you have to wait ~7 hours from getting 65 farming and a hespori seed to be able to get the kill

[dull imp]

firemaking is actually an issue this league as well unless zeah

[rich rune]

Bad synergy with transmute it's only a cooking solve if you transmute

[tranquil pond]

i'm zeah

[dull imp]

ah

yea i dunno zeah relic optimizations. Other than map is really good for RC at zeah

[tranquil pond]

i'm not running transmute

[naive needle]

butler gang

free offline xp

[dull imp]

free constant xp technically

even with endless harvest

[tranquil pond]

true, not just offline

[dull imp]

ima get so many shows watched with endless harvest

[tranquil pond]

tbh, endless harvest + barb sounds like gross overkill

[stiff hinge]

that's gonna make looking at xp drops for "the thing i'm shooting died" so much more annoying lol

[dull imp]

endless harvest is the wife approved relic

[stiff hinge]

think about the runite money

[tranquil pond]

endless harvest + flowstate might be better than endless + barb anyways

[stiff hinge]

because you clearly need that much gp

[tranquil pond]

larcenist already does so much

[dull imp]

flowstate is bait

[tranquil pond]

honestly, very much agree

[stiff hinge]

nah not even close, for high level stuff

[rich rune]

Flowstate is literally a meme, only take if you want funny haha.

[tranquil pond]

the 50% chance to succeed that good?

[stiff hinge]

yes

[dull imp]

and like do you really need to harvest faster when its endless afk

[tranquil pond]

gotcha

[rich rune]

Omfg yes

[stiff hinge]

runite is 7.2% chance to mine at lv99

[rich rune]

It's insane

[tranquil pond]

oh wow

[stiff hinge]

so barb gathering is ~7x faster

anglers with sandworms is 15% so ~4.3x faster, it's only a little bit better than diabolics but like... wtf are you doing fishing anglers at that point

[rich rune]

Isn't eh faster than barb until higher resources as well? Accounting for time banked?

[stiff hinge]

similar difference for sharks

[tranquil pond]

and not needing to swap spots

[dull imp]

eh is 2x xp on the node

[tranquil pond]

also, afking is just good

[stiff hinge]

i keep forgetting about the 2x exp

[dull imp]

and pairs well with transmute

[tranquil pond]

really just trying to figure out what i use my reloaded on

[dull imp]

fast clues?

[stiff hinge]

10x xp off the rip increasing to 16x at t2 is SO nice for mining/wc/fishing

[tranquil pond]

is that really that important?

[dull imp]

its a fuck ton of points every league

[rich rune]

What you didn't solve by t7 it's the reason Jagex positioned it where they did. See it more as a bandaid imo

[dull imp]

like 3k plus just in clues + clog

[stiff hinge]

they specifically said they're reducing it this time

[rich rune]

They say that every time

And its still a lot

[dull imp]

what are they reducing?

[stiff hinge]

the value of clue tasks

[rich rune]

It's also like collection log poinhs

Clues fill the log faster than anything else

[dull imp]

oh i fuckin hope

[tranquil pond]

so then either farming, hunter, or rc

[dull imp]

i cant stand clues even with the relic

so i always do all the clues before unlocking new region

[rich rune]

Depends on goal. What is your goal?

[tranquil pond]

dunno, hopefully just clear as many tasks as i can for the combat pacts

[stiff hinge]

I always see "Clues have so many points, so clue relic is a must pick" thrown around as a sentiment but I wonder if people realise that we're on a trend of reducing clue points league to league for the last 3 or so. I don't even know if it's true anymore
t. husky

who knows lol

[dull imp]

im using larceny and eh as clue solve

just dont open new region and spam them when you get them, drop the shit steps

[tranquil pond]

wait, does EH apply to larcenist?

[stiff hinge]

no

[dull imp]

eh gets clue bottles/geodes

etc

[tranquil pond]

ah

[dull imp]

culling for elites, but ill probably have some regions by culling

[stiff hinge]

clues are drop boosted so even right away you get them shat out by fishing

or whatever

[tranquil pond]

culling sounds super nice
since i have zeah, i plan to do as much bursting as possible until i can just farm bosses on repeat

[stiff hinge]

i wish wildy slayer gave more exp :(

i guess the trick is that it gives good tasks

[dull imp]

and has wicked map tps

[stiff hinge]

...ish

[dull imp]

alacrity to basically any slayer mob then dip back

[tranquil pond]

maybe i do just go soul harvest, if only to make the 95rc for wrath runes not super terrible

[gilded totem]

If I have Morytania but not Kandarin, will Araxxi drop the Rankour?

[tacit oyster]

need to do less clues for clue tasks, still need same amount of total collection logs for collection log tasks though

[dull imp]

free 50m prayer as well

[stiff hinge]

yes, anything that drops as a useless component instead drops as the whole item

[tranquil pond]

yeah, apparently all component based items drop as the full thing

[tranquil pond]

isn't that grouped in with the combat skills where only the first 50m matters?

[stiff hinge]

has been the case for leagues 5 and grid

[gilded totem]

noice, so Kourend can get Ferocious gloves without DS2

[dull imp]

no, 50m is points for each skill

[stiff hinge]

kourend, not kandarin, but yes

[dull imp]

also theres new 200m combat and skilling league tasks

[stiff hinge]

similarly everybody gets avernic treads and echo boots although only asgarnia pickers get to upgrade them, all DT2 bosses drop all axe pieces and the rings outright

and so on and so forth

[gilded totem]

I do like the DPS Calc saying I can get a 340 max hit

[tranquil pond]

what's the best way to use soul fragments then, combo runes, zmi, just the highest altar i have access to?

[dull imp]

highest alter spam left click

im going mory so true blood for me

and map gets me there fast

[tranquil pond]

i think the best i have is death

not looking forward to that one

[dull imp]

dont need wines either for prayer

[rich rune]

Then whatever given you fast points prob, unless your combat tasks have a skill tethered to it that you are struggling with. Like Kandi needs 89 craft, if you didn't have a craft solve by then, solve it with reloaded. Need slayer? Circle back to culling. I think its good to have an idea of good synergies, but I think the best t7 plan is no plan and assess your weaknesses at that time and see what you need to achieve your goal. If there's nothing, fastest points available.

[tacit oyster]

tiranwnn is the only region where a unique drop is not usable version i think, zalcano drops normal crystal tool seed

[stiff hinge]

lol

[dull imp]

yeah they were trolling with this one

[stiff hinge]

oh that probably stands the same for smouldering stone too

[tranquil pond]

really weird how that one gets screwed over so badly too

crystal halberd requiring kandarin too

but they get the crystal blessing, which is build defining for so many different builds

so whatever

[rich rune]

It's because those complete drops are meant to make up for regional components

[dull imp]

so uhh, whats gunna be beginner clues?

straight caskets?

[rich rune]

If you can make it in your region, you gotta

[dull imp]

not a single clue step in aldarin

[stiff hinge]

🤔

[rich rune]

I think there's no beginners

[stiff hinge]

^

aren't they exclusively in misthalin

[rich rune]

That's my understanding, yea

[tranquil pond]

i don't imagine soul fragments will work on the zeah crafting altars, will it

[dull imp]

they might, could ask for dev clarification