Grid was fun till I got to that horrible place called hallowed sepulchre
#leagues-general
cloud panther
small flower
11 points for ice barrage and you can just heal forever
wary egret
how does ibans staff work? same as any fire spell?
low cloak
how does ibans staff work? same as any fire spell?
Iban's is typeless
It scales with magic level like a powered staff
small flower
ye, "fire spell" or "earth spell" is specific, and stuff like undead grasp don't count for fire, but will get damage bonus for regenerating fire runes
austere depot
I'm going for the KBD crossbow, I'm sure it's not as strong as the funny high attack speed stuff but big splats and overheals sounds fun
cloud panther
idc if they put 10k points locked behind Hallowed Sepulchre I'm not goin back in there
wary egret
Iban's is typeless
so how does the work for rune generation?
small flower
i think the KBD crossbow is actually fully competetive with the mage damages
on top of healing you
stiff hinge
it generates 5 fire runes but doesn't benefit from any pact that specifies a "fire spell"
low cloak
so how does the work for rune generation?
Same as any other combat spell. Rune regen isn't tied to elements
stiff hinge
^
languid mauve
so how does the work for rune generation?
It doesnt
austere depot
It should? Iban's isn't a powered staff
languid mauve
Since ibans staff is charged at well and not with runes it will not regen anything
small flower
it's still a spell (iban blast) that costs 5 fire runes, casting it will regen 5 or 10 runes at a time, boosting the damage
austere depot
It's a spell
stiff hinge
it does cast runes lol
languid mauve
You only generate what is being used
wary egret
its like a platypus of staffs
stiff hinge
yes, and you use runes to cast iban blast
low cloak
Since ibans staff is charged at well and not with runes it will not regen anythi...
You need to cast iban's blast which does use runes
cloud panther
Iban's will regen runes but it won't benefit from the demonic pacts requiring to cast a fire spell
low cloak
It's a pretty weird quirk where it's effectively a powered staff but it functions as a combat spell
Yeh
stiff hinge
iban staff is like ahrim staff (although not functionally identical) where the staff needs to be charged/repaired to function, but it's completely disconnected from the actual spell you choose to cast
you could technically autocast fire surge with an iban staff if you wanted to
languid mauve
You need to cast iban's blast which does use runes
I dont recall it using a spell
stiff hinge
i don't know why you would
small flower
it's a regular staff that uses charges but it's not a power staff, iban blast is still a spell that consumes runes, so you get the fire regen bonus but none of the "fire spell" nodes, and you dont get the power staff nodes: so you want autocast speed
languid mauve
it's a regular staff that uses charges but it's not a power staff, iban blast is...
Its a real pos
stiff hinge
like how slayer dart is a spell that requires you be holding slayer staff to cast
small flower
lol
austere depot
i think the KBD crossbow is actually fully competetive with the mage damages
All I need to know now is whether the ice bolt with ice=water perk will benefit from water weakness, would be neat for Zuk and Yama
small flower
that too
small flower
All I need to know now is whether the ice bolt with ice=water perk will benefit ...
i would say yes? it's stated that it counts as an ice spell, and if you have ice=water, should be good to go
stiff hinge
are there any mage offhands that don't require kandarin or fremmy...?
small flower
uhh, arcane ss, ward
smoky raft
arcane spirit shield, fortified ward
languid mauve
Yes tomes
stiff hinge
oh right tomes exist kek
smoky raft
tome of earth is in varlamore
tacit oyster
All I need to know now is whether the ice bolt with ice=water perk will benefit ...
does not on wiki dps calc currently but might be something they will change tomorrow
small flower
lots of choices
smoky raft
antler guard is also technically in varlamore
languid mauve
small flower
so wildy, desert, zeah, varlamore all get you a decent one
stiff hinge
i'm just looking for a hypothetical to check against the devil's element/quadrant combo
languid mauve
Fremmy gets u access to holy books
languid mauve
i'm just looking for a hypothetical to check against the devil's element/quadran...
Nothing will compare
small flower
mory+wildy gets you harm staff+arcane ss
languid mauve
Using spellbook spells
small flower
well... it gets you it after nightmare and corp make you frustrated for hours on end
rich rune
Has anyone seen any clarification on how the fang of the hound will be treated on Tek and Olm hand. My presumption since it says "cast" will treat it like magic.
languid mauve
I wanted to get harm staff but the faster attack speed doesnt account for the extra hit of quadflame staff
small flower
Has anyone seen any clarification on how the fang of the hound will be treated o...
the passive trigger is a spell and therefore benfits from the fire spell nodes, but just swinging is melee yea
tacit oyster
Has anyone seen any clarification on how the fang of the hound will be treated o...
magic damage will deal full damage on mage hand, melee damage will deal full damage on melee hand. only 33% effective on the opposite hand
small flower
the trigger is 100% on spec, so you should be able to spec spam with it on the mage only parts
rich rune
I wanted to get harm staff but the faster attack speed doesnt account for the ex...
Basic math. Taking magic down from 3 tick to 2 is a 33% increase in dps. The 40% after attack alone is more dps. They both possess a 15% magic damage bonus
austere depot
does not on wiki dps calc currently but might be something they will change tomo...
Alright ty, I'll check there later again then, and same for enchanted bolts, assuming those will work fine
cloud panther
hum
wary egret
Nothing will compare
you also need progression to get there though
stiff hinge
my setup with assumed bis for mage in WKZ is virtus, occult, echo drops, conflic, suffering, and treads - deals 21.7 dps to zuk with water surge
if you swap to accursed (a) and antler guard instead, that drops to 11.4 dps
small flower
everything you cast suddenly counts as if the mob was weak to it, and it guarantees a 30% weakness minimum with element
languid mauve
Wait a second that means the 2nd hit if quad flame also procs healing trigger?
stiff hinge
which is fine for inferno and i guess the healing is still enormous but not what i call "steamrolling"
languid mauve
The 60%?
small flower
yea since it's a hit
languid mauve
Thats so broken
small flower
the second hit on shadowflame does not apply anything that says "when you cast" since you dont cast it
but it's a hitsplat?
languid mauve
188 hp healing 30-50hp per cast on average
small flower
should count
stiff hinge
yeah you just get 60% of your water mage dps as healing on top of 10 per water surge regen
rich rune
magic damage will deal full damage on mage hand, melee damage will deal full dam...
Thanks, sadly that's what I presumed đ
cloud panther
I think I will stick to Kandarin-Prif-Mory in that order. I can get a couple extra pacts for when I do CG. Will make him a bit easier.
languid mauve
I think I will stick to Kandarin-Prif-Mory in that order. I can get a couple ext...
U going mage?
cloud panther
ye I was gunna powered staff him to death
languid mauve
Nice im going full waterboy mage
rich rune
Going air mage personally, it's too cracked.
languid mauve
stiff hinge
why not do both
small flower
KTM should be a really nice powertank setup
stiff hinge
why not?
rich rune
why not do both
You can invest in the water node for free to path to your elemental tick node, I won't invest in the water.
cloud panther
After I butcher CG and Echo CG into submission enough I plan to switch over to either air mage or water mage
smoky raft
alright fellas
for those among us not picking abundance, what are some ideas for very early gold? Like, in the first few minutes. I don't need a lot, only like 2k
rich rune
I'm going to prob go flask at take advantage of the 6s effective CD drain rate when slinging constant 50dps
I don't think I'll water often.
cloud panther
alright fellas
for those among us not picking abundance, what are some ideas fo...
Find someone who picked abundance and mug him
stiff hinge
stiff hinge
thieving probably?
languid mauve
alright fellas
for those among us not picking abundance, what are some ideas fo...
Fish for 10 minutes with endless harvest and then sell to gen store
rich rune
Since you are always hitting max, the floor on the calculation for CD reduction doesn't matter if you keep your max divisible by 10
languid mauve
To think there are people out there who dont care about fun and will get dragoncup in like 6 days lol
Crazy
stiff hinge
the thieving relic is very late this league
languid mauve
the thieving relic is very late this league
Yeah but it will still help a lot
Skilling and money solves
stiff hinge
oh yeah absolutely, but it's not a minute one infinite money trick like it has been in previous leagues
rich rune
EH or Barb are coolest imo, not sure which I do, but one of those. Leaning barb.
small flower
alright fellas
for those among us not picking abundance, what are some ideas fo...
there is a fishing shop, could sell raw to it
rich rune
the thieving relic is very late this league
I'm taking it for no fail on chest at theving. I'm taking Barb so I don't have to pick up axe at Ice.
stiff hinge
the barb strat for money might just be to sweat out mining but that's so boring
languid mauve
U can just get EH and fremmy and do barb fishing that will surpass barb relic
small flower
i mean, get enough money and crafting to do 1 sapphire
and then just sit at gem guy
languid mauve
Thats true
woeful osprey
So Kandarin is a bad region to select im hearing
languid mauve
Im picking fremmy maybe
languid mauve
So Kandarin is a bad region to select im hearing
For what melee?
small flower
not great for melee unless you want tank thorn build
woeful osprey
Ye melee
stiff hinge
for the love of the game and by the game i mean torture of your qpw
cloud panther
I think I got everything other than Agil solved, but I am sure agil will figure itself out eventually
small flower
yea if you aren't going thorns i'd skip kandarin
languid mauve
I think I got everything other than Agil solved, but I am sure agil will figure ...
U not picking hotfoot!
woeful osprey
What route is best for melee
stiff hinge
i genuinely can't see a reason to do fremmy unless you really really really like suffering at echo dags
that shit was so bad
small flower
very much depends on what kind of melee
languid mauve
Plenty of reasons
cloud panther
U not picking hotfoot!
I was strongly tempted to but I decided on woodsman
small flower
woodsman seems the safe option ,especially if you go BG anyway
but for EH, probably a fair toss-up
languid mauve
i genuinely can't see a reason to do fremmy unless you really really really like...
Vs helm/magus ring/virtus/vorkath for wrath talisman and wrath runes
woeful osprey
Blindbag prob
small flower
mory for sure, asgarnia maybe
stiff hinge
magus ring and V's helm are the only ones of that are not available in kandarin
rich rune
I was strongly tempted to but I decided on woodsman
I like woodman personally for speed.
small flower
asgarnia gets you relatively easy blindbag weapons with the godswords
stiff hinge
you can buy a wrath talisman in east ardy during leagues, and virtus is available from vardo in varlamore
languid mauve
Im already going kanderin
languid mauve
you can buy a wrath talisman in east ardy during leagues, and virtus is availabl...
Not going melee
stiff hinge
vardo is NOT immune to mage
rich rune
I don't see blind bag as very competitive dps wise, it's also one of the hardest builds to get fully complete.
cloud panther
woodsman seems the safe option ,especially if you go BG anyway
I chose EH for BG simply because I can stay online for many hours while multi-tasking other things. Then go do thing I like when I am fully commited for the 3 or so hours I can play during the day.
woeful osprey
I don't see blind bag as very competitive dps wise, it's also one of the hardest...
True
languid mauve
vardo is NOT immune to mage
Rly nowâŚ
stiff hinge
is it going to suck? yeah probably
am i going to facetank with water? absolutely
cloud panther
over BG not for BG
small flower
vardo is NOT immune to mage
he is very technically weak to fire, for some stupid reason
languid mauve
Good thing im going high acc water mage build
woeful osprey
What melee is competitive buildwise
languid mauve
With confliction gauntlets
rich rune
he has disgustingly high mage and mdef
I'm thinking asg last region, get fang of the hound and the giant prayer.
cloud panther
if not going wildy what cloak should I get for mage
small flower
just looking at dps? dogger is honestly not bad
stiff hinge
ardy 4
small flower
just because you get it 2tick
languid mauve
Ardy elite cape 4
cloud panther
ty
languid mauve
Has magic stats and other stuff
small flower
and speed wins most things
languid mauve
Yes
rich rune
just because you get it 2tick
It's the most efficient use of points if you're going mage and want to dip melee
small flower
yea, slight bonus to magic
low cloak
Ooh I just realized
rich rune
You can get pretty good dps from the 1kg path with minimal invest
stiff hinge
+6 mage attack and +6 prayer, infernal is a little bit of everything, max cape is a little more defenses and +4 prayer
small flower
It's the most efficient use of points if you're going mage and want to dip melee
ye, really good weapon for minimal investment
languid mauve
+6 mage attack and +6 prayer, infernal is a little bit of everything, max cape i...
Yeee
low cloak
The earth regen pact doesn't actually work if I'm already boosted beyond 20% defense, does it?
stiff hinge
it keeps it sustained
rich rune
For mage**
Ardy cape > ma2 for specifically air mages
cloud panther
The earth regen pact doesn't actually work if I'm already boosted beyond 20% def...
it does
woeful osprey
Whats a good starter dagger to get i feel like 2 tick dagger is sort of meh still i remember 2 tick 2Hs a few leagues ago that felt good
small flower
The earth regen pact doesn't actually work if I'm already boosted beyond 20% def...
the +defense nodes on tree will negate any potion, the earth regen boost however, will work and will also count in the boosted level for that 20%
woeful osprey
I should maybe just go ranged
low cloak
Oh huh
small flower
obby dagger
grave pollen
Ok I am like really bad at bosses (plan to get better someday but I am on year 22 so not sure when) but if you do the air thing, wonât your defense be shit?
woeful osprey
Who drops obby dagger
languid mauve
I wil admit fremmy doesnt have any content i want to do but man idk what other region to get lol
woeful osprey
Oo rite
small flower
i think that one
stiff hinge
toktz-xil-ek
cloud panther
Oh huh
so if you have all the defense pacts and max def you will have 159, the earth pact will base off that 159 rather than 99
stiff hinge
obby dagger with the obby set fucks
small flower
yea xil
cursive edge
Ok I am like really bad at bosses (plan to get better someday but I am on year 2...
yeah you gotta grab the water capstone too and throw out water spells to heal up. They should heal you like 30 a pop
rich rune
Ok I am like really bad at bosses (plan to get better someday but I am on year 2...
Yes, your defenses will be shit, but some as main game. Your defenses don't matter, just kill the boss.
Dps is king
grave pollen
Ok so heal and kill fast? That makes sense
small flower
so if you have all the defense pacts and max def you will have 159, the earth pa...
yea, that's what the mod said at least
lemme find that
stiff hinge
55 dps on zuk or w/e
cloud panther
ya I was telling him that since he asked
low cloak
That's good to know
stiff hinge
the thing is, osrs is a game where 99% of the time damage is avoidable
rich rune
Ok so heal and kill fast? That makes sense
Kill before healing matters. Take flask if things get spooky. Your dps will charge it fast. If you're like really bad. Conside the water xbow build, insane overheal.
languid mauve
I guess ill be doing a lot of planning Tuesday
woeful osprey
So obby dagger and then whats next dagger route to go after
grave pollen
Kill before healing matters. Take flask if things get spooky. Your dps will char...
Yeah really bad is an understatement lol
rich rune
So obby dagger and then whats next dagger route to go after
Tent whip is your best non-spec 1kg weapon outside of dagger. Don't have the spec calcs because dagger spec calcs don't work. If dagger isn't your best spec, claws or abby dagger will be.
grave pollen
Hoping to use leagues to get better sense of how to do it
stiff hinge
even in main-game with no pacts, there's a lot of content where having the right gear and setup to do a lot of damage very fast can make even some of the most dangerous content in the game MUCH safer and easier, because dead bosses can't kill you
rich rune
Yeah really bad is an understatement lol
Wildy xbow water hybrid. Like 180 overheal, okay dps. You can live a a hit from pretty much anything in the game. Prob half the dps of air mage, but it will be hard af to die.
stiff hinge
like, there's a simulator for doing last row of warden in toa (the last 20% of the boss) and the difference between maxed mage warden and bofa range warden is the difference between finishing the phase in 30 seconds, versus having to dance around avoiding all damage for over a minute
small flower
so if you have all the defense pacts and max def you will have 159, the earth pa...
now i can't find where i read that, it does 100% stack, assume 178 max for now i guess
cloud panther
now i can't find where i read that, it does 100% stack, assume 178 max for now i...
Ya I am 99% sure a mod confirmed it worked that way.
rich rune
Hoping to use leagues to get better sense of how to do it
Do your best to force yourself to do the mechanics, it's very easy to muscle through and ignore things in leagues. Treat it as a cushion not a crutch â¤ď¸
woeful osprey
Is air mage highest dps
small flower
very likely
rich rune
Is air mage highest dps
by a country mile on true weaknesses (natural ele weakness) beats or competes with the rest of the pact on all but damage reduction and giga mage tank
cursive edge
Wildy xbow water hybrid. Like 180 overheal, okay dps. You can live a a hit from ...
okay dps? that shit does like 40+ dps
small flower
90-100% chance to be constantly hitting 100+ at 3tick is pretty wild
woeful osprey
Whats a good air mage route from starting area to midgamish is it literally just build to air blast
rich rune
okay dps? that shit does like 40+ dps
Against specifically water weak things or the rest of the field as well? Happy to look at your calc đ
small flower
crossbow is up there too, just at a slower pace, but with very high chance to be spitting out ranged echoes
rich rune
I haven't seen 40 dps on xbow outside of water weak things. Kandi echoes let's air mage apply it's damage to more targets because of the heat seeking of the staff and the applied addative elemental. 0
Depends on your focus I guess, but I'm looking for consistent dps throughout. Not peak on a small segment of bosses.
deft pond
Hey sorry idk if this should be in faq - Does anyone know if we will be able to recruit during leagues and if so where will we find the banner now that ge is gone? in varlamore?
small flower
recruit?
oh clan thing
i assume you mean clan thing at least, dunno, i'd hope they would just put that in the starter yama lair thing i guess
cursive edge
Against specifically water weak things or the rest of the field as well? Happy t...
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=EcumenicalCriminalsIsle
loadout 3. Dps is slightly inflated because the calc assumes the 38% water dmg also applies to the echo dps, but it shouldnt. Multiply by 0.95 or so to compensate
smoky raft
the only thing I'm still not set on is my T2 relic
I keep flipflopping between hotfoot and forager's pouch
hotfoot solves more problems but forager's pouch solves a much bigger problem
smoky raft
I'm not going woodsman
cursive edge
sad
smoky raft
it doesn't solve anything for me
deft pond
i assume you mean clan thing at least, dunno, i'd hope they would just put that ...
yeah clan recruiting
i wasnt sure if theyve announced anything
small flower
I haven't seen 40 dps on xbow outside of water weak things. Kandi echoes let's a...
yea numbers slightly inflated because of the water thing, so about 40, oh i had that on cerb lol
smoky raft
legitimately all woodsman would do for me after the first day is cut maybe 4 hours of hunter training
austere depot
I don't really wanna do forager's because I wanna solve herblore through farming (and was gonna in turn solve farming with thieving but eeeeh lol)
smoky raft
transmutation + endless harvest is free firemaking xp
kandarin is free fletching xp
small flower
the water weakness doesn't seem to be changing much as i swap monsters out
nearly 40 on corp
austere depot
Not sure about HF, mostly because transmutation doesn't work with bars
small flower
HF?
austere depot
I keep flipflopping between hotfoot and forager's pouch
hotfoot solves more pro...
hotfoot
small flower
o
smoky raft
for me it's a problem of Hotfoot making cooking & agility a bit easier vs Forager making herblore a lot easier
rich rune
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=EcumenicalCriminalsIsle
loadout 3. Dps is slightly inf...
Okay I do see your calc is presuming 188 throughout.
small flower
hf would be pretty good with EH or BG for that, EH probably benefits more if you use it on addy or mith since the chance to mine is higher
rich rune
I understand it will be fairly achievable, but it does presume that's always true.
austere depot
transmutation + endless harvest is free firemaking xp
kandarin is free fletching...
kandarin
.. that does mean you have a really good course for hotfoot hmm
cursive edge
for me it's a problem of Hotfoot making cooking & agility a bit easier vs Forage...
you going butlers bell or transmute?
small flower
I understand it will be fairly achievable, but it does presume that's always tru...
well if you're fighting something that is hitting you pretty constantly that's definitely gonig to be lower to 99ish
rich rune
Not that missing is likely, I see your accuracy is nuts, but also doesn't 100% consider overkill dps
smoky raft
I've got access to both seers and ardy rooftops
which, while hotfoot woult synergize with those, I could also just do them without hotfoot
cursive edge
butler bell makes herblore training free, but doesnt solve getting actual useful potions for pvm on certain builds
smoky raft
you going butlers bell or transmute?
transmute
cursive edge
for me I don't need any pots for pvm really, as a mager
cursive edge
yeh
rich rune
well if you're fighting something that is hitting you pretty constantly that's d...
Agree. I'm more saying these are best case scenario calcs and will have lower real world dps
austere depot
Transmuting seeds is pretty neat too
cursive edge
there any specific use cases of transmute you have in mind?
small flower
sure, but even assuming a lower standard life, it's 35+
cursive edge
that makes you set on it?
small flower
i think the biggest thing transmute solves is access to wrath runes, and money
(and doing shades of mortton if you want to)
rich rune
but ofc transmute is spicy too
Butler seems like a good long term choice
I'm prob gunna do transmute because cool
cursive edge
Okay I do see your calc is presuming 188 throughout.
yeah def wont be 100% of the time, but with around 10 healing/sec, itll be pretty damn close to 100% of the time
smoky raft
there any specific use cases of transmute you have in mind?
firemaking, smithing, cooking, farming, construction
small flower
for the smithing you're still actually smelting the ores
unless you're going fremmy and are planning on turning clay into gold
smoky raft
I can turn the heaps of resources from endless harvest into high tier / high xp variants
cursive edge
abundance > woodsman > alacrity > butlers > larceny is my plan. To me this seems like the most accelerated points approach
small flower
going flow state later?
cursive edge
not trying to max and 'solve' every skill
smoky raft
I am
cursive edge
i might be, undecided yet
small flower
or just gonna deal with mining-fish-wc as a normal thing
honestly they're not bad to just do normally
cursive edge
its either reload into grimoire for like 3-4% more dps lol, or flow state, or even reload into transmute? idk
rich rune
yeah def wont be 100% of the time, but with around 10 healing/sec, itll be prett...
Yea for sure. It's more like the start of raids, they won't have it, they will get it, then get some chip, then get it again, and likely have that 140-180 hp. If olm hates you though or you take avoidable damage as a special between the 4.2 seconds between attacks, it will be lower.
smoky raft
I think I'm gonna go forager
rich rune
Mage you cast mage at freakishly consistent dps (you are always making) and click flask if things get spooky
cursive edge
Yea for sure. It's more like the start of raids, they won't have it, they will g...
yeh true. Though still 43 dps at 140hp
rich rune
Your dps is consistent
austere depot
I can turn the heaps of resources from endless harvest into high tier / high xp ...
What are you taking for T5?
cursive edge
Mage you cast mage at freakishly consistent dps (you are always making) and clic...
yeah my endgame build is gonna be Sang staff camp, 1t baby. But early game im going full ranged Kings barrage
small flower
am sad you don't get 10x loot from chests
rich rune
yeh true. Though still 43 dps at 140hp
I give it, better than decent. I'm wrong there.
cursive edge
Wildy start, spec crossbow stuff then water stuff, hunter crossbow > ruen crossbow > kb
small flower
but larcenist is still just very solid overall, even if not tir/mory
cursive edge
and then respec to powered staves when it makes sense to gear/pact point unlock wise
austere depot
So, without Forager, I think your best herb solve is transmuting seeds from AFK master farmers, which is going to be kind of annoying imo
rich rune
yeah my endgame build is gonna be Sang staff camp, 1t baby. But early game im go...
Want to know how you feel but I think water region on powered staves is a trap node
small flower
crossbow is genuinely tempting to start out with
moonlight is so good with guaranteed maxhits :/
cursive edge
Want to know how you feel but I think water region on powered staves is a trap n...
not quite sure what you mean
cursive edge
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=SmokerJacketMachete
here's the build I have planned. Has thorns so add like 6 dps or so as a rough estimate
rich rune
not quite sure what you mean
There are nodes that give you a rune when you generate charges allowing you to proc rune generation nodes with powered staves. I think some of those nodes are worth it.
small flower
seems a very solid sustain, plus that counts for the overheals
small flower
water one is absolutely worth it
cursive edge
insane regen for basically 1 point
small flower
fire is probably decent
small flower
frankly they're all a good choice, if you're full specing into defense, you want the earth one too
small flower
at minimum the water one is worthwhile though
rich rune
its like 6% dps for 3 pts
I think you def need to take the water if you to take the fire
You're going to burn your hp away fast
small flower
the other nodes don't affect power staves
cursive edge
you can see my tree in the link
rich rune
Oh my a apologies
small flower
it's only the base regen ones
so +1-2 damage, +1-2 hp, chance for 1-2 prayer, and consistently ramping defense bonus
cursive edge
maybe the 6% baited ya. Its just how the 1.15 flat dmg per cast works out, plus the 1% magic dmg travel node
small flower
ye, if you're going purely into powerstaff nodes you'll get the 1%'s, the "fire/air/water/earth spell" ones will just not do anything for you
cursive edge
also the gargoyle staff in theory should be higher dps than sang
multiply the number by 1.52x
as thats what the specs should add
small flower
since it's got the minimum hit?
cursive edge
but heres the math:
You do 5 normal attacks, each hit for 50% of your max hit on average, so 250% of your max hit dealt
Then you spec, and its guaranteed to do 130% of your max hit, instantly, without delaying your next attack
So youve done 380% of your max hit in 5 attacks.
380/250 = 1.52
same idea as sol spear last league
small flower
spec is instant but with attack delay
cursive edge
i know husky said that, but
i believe its likely he meant in terms of
it not being like a gmaul
small flower
i guess as long as its the normal weapons delay yea should be good
cursive edge
you cant dump 2 specs in 1 tick
cursive edge
but in the video of the staff, the character had 4t staff
small flower
Is shadowflame basically demonbane?
?
cursive edge
and you see him attack before the animation of the 2nd spec even ends
small flower
yea i'm with you on the lithic
cursive edge
so the specs seemingly were not delaying his normal attack timer
cursive edge
theres just a delay in terms of speccing, where you cant dump all specs in 1 tick
anyway, i could be wrong, maybe it does incur a 1t delay on your next attack, in which case the specs only provide 26% more dps
and its worse than sang
small flower
what do you mean is it basically the offhand though
ones staff, one's offhand, they've got different passives
they synergise crazily well
i'm not getting your question
small flower
and its worse than sang
I think even if the spec incurs normal delay the weapon would have, the utilty of it being typless aoe damage wins out, unless you just need the healing, but it's not like you can't just switch between
grave pollen
Anyone have a water build they can send? I just want to see what equipment I should be going for
small flower
especially if you're going MT+? for the set effect
small flower
Anyone have a water build they can send? I just want to see what equipment I sho...
gear depends on regions, but if you're going water, basically shadowflame+devils element, occult, and whatever mage gear you can put together
grave pollen
Thanks I will look all those up
small flower
those are all in kandarin, rest would depend on other 2 regions
cursive edge
I think even if the spec incurs normal delay the weapon would have, the utilty o...
well, it wins out when you need aoe, thats about it
small flower
eh, yea
cursive edge
it'd be awesome for slayer
cursive edge
thorns + garg staff slayer is gonna be sweet
grave pollen
those are all in kandarin, rest would depend on other 2 regions
I havenât picked any regions so lot of flexibility
cursive edge
anyway i am quite optimistic that theres no attack delay, it really does add 52% more dps, and therefore beats sang
if it doesnt, not the end of the world
small flower
I havenât picked any regions so lot of flexibility
virtus is available in a lot of places, kourend would have ancestral, morytania for ahrims, if you somehow are stuck with nothing but wildy for armor, dagon'hai is actually pretty good
cursive edge
7.5% dps vs 8.3% lifesteal
virtus is available to everyone
since its in varlamore already
small flower
oh right
i somehow am constantly forgetting that
well in that case, dagon'hai is still an earlier and easier to farm set
or at least elder chaos would be
so really the other 2 regions would be whatever combat activities you wanna be doing
since you're reasonably well covered no matter what
old tapir
i wonder why conniving clues mentions charlie when charlie got yama'd
austere depot
Any idea how Culling Spree will work with Zuk? Crossbow + Minion infernos might be a fun way to get some slayer exp
grave pollen
Ok sorry one more question. I do not understand how resets work for pacts.
smoky raft
aurgh
apparently 5 images is too many
anyway I figured out my gear progression from hour 1 - day 1 - week 1 - pre grinds - post grinds
grave pollen
i wonder why conniving clues mentions charlie when charlie got yama'd
There may not even be beginner clues considering there arenât any beginner clue locations in the two starting regions
smoky raft
there are beginner clues
you just won't get em unless you have asgarnia / desert unlocked
grave pollen
Sorry hadnât seen that anywhere
small flower
Ok sorry one more question. I do not understand how resets work for pacts.
not entirely sure what the trigger for getting the respecs is (echo boss kill? area unlock? idk) but basically it'll wipe your pact board and give you all the points you've earned back
tacit oyster
There may not even be beginner clues considering there arenât any beginner clue ...
you can complete beginner clues in desert and asgarnia
smoky raft
not entirely sure what the trigger for getting the respecs is (echo boss kill? a...
you get +1 reset for each of your first 3 unique echo boss kills
tacit oyster
no tasks for beginner clues though (still count to collection log task)
grave pollen
Oh cool so you can do like a mid game and a late game setup? Sick
smoky raft
if you want
tacit oyster
so annoying that we arent getting more info about tasks and unlocks... hard to plan which combat style i start with 
tacit oyster
yes but we do not know how fast relics and areas unlock
smoky raft
ah fair
tacit oyster
if we are stuck in varlamore/karamja for long time i might just not even do melee and go straight to crossbow build
really would want t4 relic before amoxliatl and rare drops
small flower
even if we're stuck in varlamore for a good bit, there's still a decent amount of options
eclipse for thrown would probably make for a really strong early slayer, blood moon for just general melee, anything'll make a 1h-thorn tank work, and mage this time around is probably viable no matter what you wanna use
and ofc the moonlight cbow yea
molten gust
Yeah getting t4 before you start really farming bosses is a good idea. Save you a lotta time.
small flower
I suppose completely ignoring drop rate related things, 1h tank, crossbow or mage win that race
tacit oyster
i was gonna do 2 handed melee start into thrown weapons (atlat) with barbarian gathering giving head start on str lvls
but depends on if i do early amoxliatl or not
small flower
side possibility, if you're going kandarin anyway, getting levels for paths of glouphrie and pushing some early slayer would get you a power staff very early, stat reqs for the quest are 40-50's, nothing hard
and just entering the region gets you all the quest reqs, so it'd be fast on getting into the area
proven island
How does the overheal pact work? could you eat a shark at 99 hp and it would overheal you as well?
cause the way it reads is unclear to me, cause having the pact itself active would make me think that you could just eat food, not just cast water spells
tacit oyster
it only overheals from pact healing
small flower
no, it specifies that it works from pacts, so it has to be some healing from one o the other pacts, water heal, thorns hit, melee hit, or the heal when dealt a 0
tacit oyster
so only healing demonic pacts can overheal. Water spells have healing on the tree, thorns/melee heals based on distance to enemy
proven island
interesting, thank you for the clarification
tacit oyster
I wonder how heroes quest works in asgarnia... you cannot select side for shield of arrav and need 2 players
tacit oyster
oh wiki just isnt updated, heroes quest has been added to asgarnia auto-unlocks later on
small flower
I wonder how heroes quest works in asgarnia... you cannot select side for shield...
it's autocompleted ye
i'm guessing it defaults your allegiance to one of the 2
tacit oyster
trying to find partner with jagex auto selected gangs would be pain
small flower
very much so
especially if something goofed and everyone got shoved into the same one
lol
i could see that happening
weary drift
anyone have rough estimates/regions/pacts for the combat styles? idk if anyone has mapped out most of the weps
molten gust
It really depends on type of weapon. Like for Crossbows. Wilderness, Kanderin, and Asgarnia are the main players for one example.
weary drift
I just was curious if people had run numbers for builds. I have a rough estimate for DPS on elemental mage, wilderness CB but no idea on hound, thorns package or even smth like bows or what good bows might be? Im just curious if anyone has worked out damage for things like the cerb echo (And if its better to go more mage damage over melee damage) and thorns with things like powered staves and zcb and what those might look like if anyone has an idea that is.
small flower
I just was curious if people had run numbers for builds. I have a rough estimat...
i think actual min-maxing on the dps calc isn't worth worrying too much about right now, it's kind of hard to tell what your actual damage output is going to be with the blindbags/range echoes, so the more accurate ones gonna be the mage numbers probably
things like the dogger damage, are going to greatly depend on your sources of healing, idk if thorns would even be the way to go on that, it might be a better option to go for maximum tank/heal with it so that the mage burn can keep siphoning your life (assuming that's the way to go at all) which also depends on regions, as bloodfury is probably a better choice for that just for the slight extra it'll give
plus considerations for Utility, like the dogger trigger being fire therefore bouncing AoE and adding burns, idk if we even know how much burns deal at this point either or how long they last
tacit oyster
mage builds also might not be fully accurate depending when things are added and if they are additive or multiplicative
small flower
true
i've been playing around with numbers a lot, but it's definitely more than just numbers, what are you gonna use those numbers on, how much are the utility aspects going to play into where you're at
would you enjoy the playstile with it (KCB hits hard, but i just don't wanna be running around at 7tick)
tacit oyster
tomorrow night would probably be the most accurate dps calc we will get since jmods will work with the dps calc devs to try and fix some issues tomorrow
small flower
i think it's more worth considering what you find enjoyable, and then min-maxing from that direct perspective
like if you loved throwing but only because it was 1T, you probably wanna go for power staves this time around
tacit oyster
im going crossbow build with crazy grinding regions anyway
small flower
đ
stiff hinge
plus considerations for Utility, like the dogger trigger being fire therefore bo...
burns are [stacks] damage every 4 ticks up for a total of 24 ticks, at 5 stacks any new burns will NOT be applied (thus it's not refreshable, you just reapply after each stack times out)
small flower
i'm going melee that the calc says is probably one of the worst efficient builds i've tried, but i'm gonna get nonstop hitsplats shooting around, so idc too much
stiff hinge
coded as ranged damage so doesn't work on anything that's immune to or reduces ranged damage
small flower
burns are [stacks] damage every 4 ticks up for a total of 24 ticks, at 5 stacks ...
is it just 1 damage per stack? the drygore reveal showed it doing 1's, but also 8's, or is that just going to be a 100% seperate mechanic
oh, oof
stiff hinge
i mean, it's an existing mechanic that you can apply with 4 different weapons
small flower
ah
stiff hinge
bclaws, scorchbow, arkan blade, or the eclipse set
i would presume it works the same with drygore as it does with those
tacit oyster
i dont think there is info about which burn the drygore blowpipe applies so probably the 10 damage over 24 seconds
that is the default burn
small flower
yea, that's kinda where i got confused with it, the clip they showed of it has it doing different damage than i would have expected from a 5 stack max
unless it's scaling differently
tacit oyster
sad part is that if it is that burn then drygore blowpipe is taking huge dps nerf from burn stack limit unless you do atlatl spec every 12-16 hits
small flower
at least you have access to the eclipse set for that? XD though I guess that wouldn't be the worst build
as the atlatl counts for throwing
would probably make for a nice slayer/aoe clear setup
hm, well if it is the same burn as eclipse, at least there's not a ton of immune mobs
zuk i guess is the most notable, but.... there'd be some weird shenanigans going on if you burned the giant rock fire guy
stiff hinge
i went back and looked at it, the clip they used only shows 1- and 2- damage burn ticks
it does have a unique hitsplat
small flower
o, i musta equated that 8 with the burn
stiff hinge
i don't think there even is an 8 hit lol
languid mauve
@austere depot so after you select the relic and get a task you will be prompted with 3 options, one of which is always a boss task, after you pick said task you get to pick a number up to 200 of said task.
So assuming you got a fire cape and sacrificed it to open Zuk and you spoke to a slayer master for a new task, Zuk might appear the boss task to choose which would allow you to select him up to 200 kills.
small flower
well my memory is worth about as much as some cardboard so there's that too
austere depot
Alright thanks! Wasn't sure if it'd work that way since Zuk isn't technically a directly assignable boss task but kind of a weird edge case
stiff hinge
doing a 200 zuk task would be some insane reddit karma farming tactic
small flower
200 kill zuk task sounds like something a psycho would do
i would hope if someone did it they'd at least get pet
stiff hinge
i mean... i guess you can afk waves with water mage up to jad?
austere depot
That'd be 400M slayer exp, a little excessive yeah lol
languid mauve
Alright thanks! Wasn't sure if it'd work that way since Zuk isn't technically a ...
If Zuk isnt normally a boss you can ever be assigned naturally in main game then you wont get him here unless tzhaar task works for him
Which you would still be able to select up to 200 regardless
stiff hinge
you can have zuk tasks
austere depot
It's like, not assigned as a boss task, it's a unique mechanic to TzHaar task where you can "upgrade" the TzHaar task to Jad or Zuk
stiff hinge
^
waxen thunder
It was a missed opportunity to not have the dogger require being charged with fire runes so the spell can actually do reasonable damage
languid mauve
Then it would be treated as the same
You just get multiple options
That relic is causing me problems
stiff hinge
it just depends on how they implement it
languid mauve
In my entire build
stiff hinge
i'm taking culling spree because i don't care about anything on t6 at all
small flower
culling spree?
languid mauve
Yea
small flower
I think i'ma take it anyway, just to have a counter while i'm doing vardorvis or w/e
speed up kills there a little
austere depot
I want Culling Spree for the funny slayer helm + void gear alone but the other perks seem great too
languid mauve
Thats the issue is i need high slayer rapidly before 2nd region and if i take culling spree its going ti change everything
Make taking fremmy stupid
languid mauve
I want Culling Spree for the funny slayer helm + void gear alone but the other p...
Too bad i cant get elite void lol
That would be bonkers
Then again it would be less than max mage with confliction gauntlets
austere depot
Yeah elite is like two other regions for 2.5% more damage lol
stiff hinge
small flower
wut
languid mauve
They moved it to tira for leagues
stiff hinge
if wiki is to be believed, you can't get elite at all without AKT
austere depot
tirr kand?
Yeah, because they share the western provinces diary
small flower
mk, so... not terrible for a mage, for gear, though you're basically using said mage to go blast nex.... with mage
yea that doesn't sound very practical
stiff hinge
or you could take kandarin and solve mage
stiff hinge
yeye
languid mauve
Yeah its a leagues thing
stiff hinge
nothing about elite void is changed for leagues though
languid mauve
Tirawin didnt exist when zulrah came out weatern provinces are its own region
Tirawin is its own region as well
stiff hinge
tirannwn is the entire section of continent to the west of the underground passage mountains
short sphinx
was just asking about void tho XD
Alright so now thatâs everythingâs basically released whatâs the plan
small flower
for the fourth i've i'm certain of going MTA
i'm sure in the next 2 days i'll waffle on it again half a dozen more times
lol
short sphinx
We could do TMK
small flower
eh, i definitely want melee, doesn't make that much sense
reallistically the only ... numbers gain other than asgarnia would be kourend
and while i'll waffle back n forth on asgarnia
i'm not doing CoX
short sphinx
i'm not doing CoX
Fair
small flower
I think i'm happy enough with asgarnia
i just need to figure a mid-game tree out to get whisper done and out of the way
short sphinx
well does specing 8 into powered staff just for whisperer fix that
small flower
probably? swamp trident and crystal armor would indeed probably cover it
short sphinx
go T first get crystal blessing with full crystal with toxic trident
thats my plan
im rushing amox and moons then powered staaves for CG and fight caves
small flower
may wait for crystal till i'm ready to switch over to that then, and start out with water/melee or something funky
if i'ma be on a power staff tree for a bit, can just do CG right before dealing with the whisper point
early water covers capes, with melee switch to farm moons
short sphinx
with the easy tasks in all three regions
small flower
i'm lost, that's a crossbow tree
short sphinx
i feel like the blindbag node is bait until later
lol
i guess it sent wrong
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1CxETAEEChgwAAAABAgAABAA&name=Hali Blindbag pwd stave
small flower
ah
short sphinx
we can get there with just our easy tasks and killing amox
short sphinx
i dps calc the dragon hali its nice
small flower
if unlocking regions is more spread out, may end up skilling longer too
short sphinx
^^
depends on what everyone says im still thinking T is a good first region but i might asgarnia instead
small flower
oh
actually
hally would work just fine for CG too
not gonna melt him like the staff, but it should do damage well enough
eh, nah, better to just split it for the water/hally
~23 points is easy enough
short sphinx
its 90s ttk with range echo hally
small flower
and should work well
short sphinx
thats with 80 str 75 att and def
its 54.6 ttk with just the 1 tick pwd stave and 70 mag
less then a min ttk on currupted hunllef is massive
small flower
yea probably just start out going some form of melee with water, get capes then switch for CG
the invest for pen is kind of a lot early on
short sphinx
yeah im really debating just 5 to 1 i mean it cant be that bad
small flower
23 points still gets water speed/heals and full hally range
eh, it's not
idk if i wanna really rush it though, i'll get around to it XD
short sphinx
23 points before CG aint happening
small flower
i mean not with 1 region
small flower
really really rushing CG, 13 points looks do-able, taking it second and skilling a bit beforehand, probably like T4/T5, 21?
short sphinx
yeah but look at the pact tasks
small flower
i am
small flower
max drop rate at T4, so godwars loot shouldn't be out of possibility by that point
short sphinx
true but im cheeks and there no bankers note to bail me out
short sphinx
fair
small flower
will bail you out
short sphinx
but whats our best mid game mage gear if not crystal
short sphinx
true
short sphinx
lol barrows is a trappppp
small flower
i know
bloodbark actually shouldn't be bad
if you go transmute
can use 1 dose sacred oil on crap logs
and jsut straight upgrade them to redwood
short sphinx
you right on that
small flower
26 pretty easy points (some level grinding required, slayer/crafting) would be easy enough for waiting till all 3 regions
short sphinx
we can prolly kill vardorvis easy with the melee build
i might do him after moons
if im T4
stiff hinge
i wonder if there's a list somewhere of bosses that seriously penalize using the wrong styles
small flower
is 17 points, grab blood moon, kill all the naguas for their doublehit weapons
easy prett ygood 5 weapon blind bag
stiff hinge
like how vetion is "fuck you, use crush"
short sphinx
nooooo that last blindbag node is bait
short sphinx
its more for when you have good blind bag weapons
small flower
so add a point, swap it over to hally range, so maca's with dragon hally to use/spec with
short sphinx
yeah
i like that
and when we can be 7 tiles away we use the hali
cuz its better dps
winged trench
When does the task list get released?
short sphinx
no timetable usually like the day before i think
winged trench
Thanks
small flower
manually entangling him for the fight and staying max range? XD
being rather hopeful for the entangles there
oop, it copied blindbag over, switch that over to tecpatl/macuahuitl/glacials/sulphurs
proper wave
someone help me decide between friendly forager and woodsman.
small flower
oh, page4 is with crystal stuff lol
i mean 5th page
uhh, if you want stress free/fast hunter, do woodsman, you also get the inf whislte to start
faster fletching too
short sphinx
im doing woodsman
small flower
ye
short sphinx
its just really nice for the prayer pots with moths too
proper wave
I feel like fast fletching isn't really necessary because its already fast.
small flower
alternatively, ignore melee to start, rush hunter for the moonlight crossbow and just use that for a while
proper wave
I'm primarily taking forager for the 90% secondary
small flower
I feel like fast fletching isn't really necessary because its already fast.
yea the fletching/fm part of it is kidna moot
did forager on an alt last league and you will not regret either choice imo
velvet hornet
its leaguesplanner website safe to use?
small flower
they're both great
velvet hornet
is liek everyoen using that?
proper wave
I like the thought of doing the mixology minigame for the goggles and only ever needing 1 secondary item to make the potions i need
small flower
info has been correct as far as i've seen on it
proper wave
but then i feel like hunter is going to be a pos to level
velvet hornet
for relic/region choices
like safe to physiclaly use, ikts not gonna install some keylogger or some shit on me
small flower
oh, no it seems fine
dull imp
how are we gunna get early rc levels?
short sphinx
im solving that with reloaded into butlers bell
small flower
how are we gunna get early rc levels?
get a buncha combat achieves and use a lamp? XD
idk lol
short sphinx
lol
proper wave
I'm going kandarin, so I'll have ZMI from 5-27
small flower
if zeah, the library is good
short sphinx
the only solve i dont have is RC and Con
proper wave
What areas are you going?
small flower
AMT
short sphinx
TMA
dull imp
oh nagua sulpher ess
proper wave
lmfao
short sphinx
wait is the sulfer ess buffed?
small flower
well
proper wave
i had no clue sulphurous essence was even a thing
dull imp
oh and we will have abyss access for alters
stiff hinge
wait is the sulfer ess buffed?
as a drop, no
dull imp
nvm, early rc ez
stiff hinge
no it's not buffed
small flower
and it stacks
small flower
can just sit on sulphurs and train melees
stiff hinge
it's not on the list at least
proper wave
really just gotta solve to 27 so you can do cosmic in zanaris
stiff hinge
oh wait the quantity isn't 1
stiff hinge
if you only need 27 for cosmics then yeah you need like, 3-4 drops
small flower
really just gotta solve to 27 so you can do cosmic in zanaris
yea, it looks completely viable
dull imp
save the rc grind for later in the league
dull imp
ima be t4 or 5 before i even start a new region /slayer
small flower
the general mad dash doing weird little tasks early on gets you up there
dull imp
hunter only off the rip
small flower
just rush to the general store and leg it to the birds!
velvet dawn
I dont think people realize how bottlenecked hunter will be
odd mountain
Hello
potent quail
I dont think people realize how bottlenecked hunter will be
You lvl it in moons with grubs
velvet dawn
especially when the most popular starting route the one posted on the wiki includes hunter
odd mountain
Question: Do tasks change that much between leagues?
small flower
generally no? like you'll have similar if not the same ones for a lot of things
dull imp
yea there aren't many crimson swifts to start with
just do grubs
itll probably be faster than competition
small flower
doesn't have a hunter req?
small flower
o, i was assuming it would since the quest did
dull imp
im gunna book it to crimson swifts but if theres competition ill just go straight grubs
swifts are faster with no competition
small flower
that doesn't seem bad, definitely less annoying than bird traps before actually having woodsman
small flower
ye, seems good, all the way till rumours
small flower
yea that'll take a lot more hopping
dusk wharf
Will gem stores have unlimited stock to abuse buying uncuts, cutting and reselling cuts for profit?
dusk wharf
Oh that's decent
small flower
dull imp
just drop em
short sphinx
4 exp per grub
small flower
why even run out of your way to swifts
dull imp
cuz 332 grubs
stiff hinge
doubles the exp
dull imp
speeds up grubs significantly
short sphinx
lol then moss lizards are 2ish exp
dull imp
if you are abundance you go straight grubs
dusk wharf
So is trident of the seas going to be a 1 tick weapon with the powered staves pact ?
short sphinx
yes
dull imp
lol then moss lizards are 2ish exp
theyre 90% of hunter level
small flower
So is trident of the seas going to be a 1 tick weapon with the powered staves pa...
yes
short sphinx
so 18 my bad
dull imp
x multiplier
short sphinx
did the opposite math
dull imp
90xp per lizard
stiff hinge
that's pretty good
short sphinx
your 20 hunter
stiff hinge
is the supplies stuff for moons instanced?
dull imp
so wouldnt it be 18 exp
base league multiplier
short sphinx
ah
dull imp
x5 the 18
small flower
a lot of that depends on how packed swifts actually are I guess
if it really is like 40 people per world at them
yea
velvet dawn
it will be
small flower
if it's not all that terrible, maybe just stick to birds till 20
dull imp
so 1 swift gets you to almost level 3, grubs become .75 xp per at level 3
yeah swifts is way to go if no competition
short sphinx
so moss liz until what
dull imp
so moss liz until what
rumors
short sphinx
ahh
brittle hull
Grubs or lizards?
brittle hull
Where are grubs
small flower
perilous moons
dull imp
Where are grubs
moons area
brittle hull
Hmmmm ok
dull imp
rumors at 46
brittle hull
They give xp at level 1?
small flower
technically
dull imp
They give xp at level 1?
according to wiki
short sphinx
okay well hunter rush here i come
dull imp
but how they scale you want to do like at least 1 bird
brittle hull
Lmao omg so small ok
dull imp
otherwise youre picking 300 something grubs
small flower
might just slap trees on the way over to birds, get reqs for vale totems too, if there's enough tasks related to make it worthwhile
short sphinx
i wonder what the black bar in rules is
small flower
i dont see a black bar
short sphinx
go to the demonic pacts webpage
small flower
oh
the blog
"We're not ready to reveal this just yet, you shouldn't be looking here... naughty, naughty!"
short sphinx
dull imp
lol
small flower
another reveal before launch, or maybe at launch idk
dull imp
another reveal before launch, or maybe at launch idk
you start at max levels and have to work backwards
small flower
XD
short sphinx
lmao mass yama at the beginning 1000 lvl 3 naked vs 1 yama winner takes all
small flower
if yama wins, the league ends
dull imp
oh if they give the option to not unlock karamja and youre hunter rushing, dont unlock it til youre done
dull imp
wahts available if you arent forced to take karamja - Jerboa, Pyrefox, sunlight antelope and moth, tecu, moonlight ante and moth, red chin, black warlock, tropical wagtail, wild kebbit, sapphire glacialis, snowy knight
Gilman - Tecu Salamander, Cervus - Red Chin, Ornus - Doesnt matter, Aco - Moonlight moth, Teco - Sunlight antelope and if you take wolf you will only get moonlight antelopes
brittle hull
Wild kebbit?
dull imp
Each moonlight antelope is 7200 xp - each rumor from moonlight antelopes is 100k xp
brittle hull
Oh shit thatâs new
brittle hull
Each moonlight antelope is 7200 xp - each rumor from moonlight antelopes is 100k...
At 16x?
dull imp
if you take woodsman
thats 8x base + woodsman bonus
and you want to do traps not moths for the seeds for transmute for farming
moths may be faster xp, but you lose out on seeds
also a bunch of moonlight antelope food later on will be nice as well
brittle hull
See this is the anti woodsman angle Iâm liking right now
Sunlight Moths are quick rumours count
dull imp
anti woodsman?
brittle hull
Yeah gonna go forager
dull imp
woodsman gets you farming, prayer, fletching, and some herblore secondaries as well as herbs
herblore is gunna be easy since we all have mixology
worldly stream
Will ali morrisane rune shop in desert be available after unlocking desert? It says you have to talk to Aubury in varrock to do the runedoku part :/
dusk wharf
Will ali morrisane rune shop in desert be available after unlocking desert? It s...
What runes are you trying to get?
stiff hinge
it makes runes cheaper in general
brittle hull
woodsman gets you farming, prayer, fletching, and some herblore secondaries as w...
Not really if youâre going 50m.
Prayer and rc is solved with soul harvest.
Farming can be done with elite clue and pvm.
Fletching is done with totems or is buyable.
Some secondaries is just nests?
Also prayer isnât fully solved. I donât know if 50m hunter would get 50m prayer
small flower
several other options for prayer anyway
woodsman is overall a nice boon though, realistically forager would be the way to pick if trying to alleviate speed on 50m all probably? but idc about 50m's
unique smelt
@brittle hull Are you planning on a ranged build?
brittle hull
<@799778816620363816> Are you planning on a ranged build?
Mage
unique smelt
Then hell yeah, f woodsman
unique smelt
As someone who needs fletching for Sunlightcbow and darts, woodsman is very attractive
And since I'm taking Wildy, the earlier I get in the better
brittle hull
Why couldnât you fletch arrow shafts with feathers during pyre fox downtime?
small flower
Oh Msb?
hunter rush makes for easy moonlight cbow
which is a pretty great early weapon with guaranteed maxhit shortbow speed
unique smelt
Taking DWZ, want to be able to really get into some stuff quickly
Still tossing up between DWZ and ADW
brittle hull
Honestly I think youâll be surprised how quick it is to get to 66 fletch
Or whatever the level is for bow and bolts
unique smelt
Yeah, but dragon bolts not so much
brittle hull
You donât need that early though?
unique smelt
Going to try and do a Sol rush, so wouldn't mind it early
brittle hull
Is this your first sol?
brittle hull
So why not hunterâs crossbow
brittle hull
Sol is melee though? Or can you range it
unique smelt
You can range it with the CBOW stuff quite easily this league
And the Kings Barrage can overheal you to like 188 I think?
small flower
he was easy to range last league because of the perfect accuracy thing
but he's got like 800+ range def
unique smelt
My accuracy should still be around 35% I think
I've done sol on a main, should be even easier than that
Only issue is gonna be not meleeing, so walking will be weird
brittle hull
If dragon bolts are your reason for taking woodsman, why canât you spend 1-2 hours wc and doing vale totems to get the level required
Youâre still going to be taking a while to get crossbow
And kbd drops yews
worldly stream
What runes are you trying to get?
blood runes
small flower
as long as you push early tree into 100% regen, you just need the one
unique smelt
What would I take instead, forager? Pots are an easy solve with either transmute or harvest and a tiny bit of effort
brittle hull
Well how many pots do you want to make
unique smelt
Aiming for all pact points and to raid with friends, I think I'll have more than enough
brittle hull
They are a solve with transmute but if youâre going for maxing youâll be passively getting a stupid amount of herbs for 99 or beyond
unique smelt
Absolutely no interest in maxing, just here for fun
small flower
whats your T1 tin?