leagues-general

[shadow badger]

Till what level

[true yarrow]

how fast do bone rocks respawn? Pretty sure the people endlessing them will deplete them for barb users

[potent quail]

It scales linear with lvl so idk

[tacit oyster]

abundance at grubs into moons lizard catching when lvl20 boost would be fastest hunter start

[feral moth]

They will, which is why its not as afk, but bone shard mining is an afk activity as the walls last for a time period after first hit, similar to mlm

[true yarrow]

ah

[smoky raft]

Probably!

It's kinda hard to say how much better it is given that the wiki page lacks a mining rate chart

[feral moth]

UNLESS, thats one of the first bugs we see 😉 resources just dont respawn when EH users on them lmao would be hilarious

[tacit oyster]

low tier spawn at 3x speed, highest tier get faster spawn buff

[smoky raft]

I'm still going Endless Harvest though

It's basically just rolling EH's double drops vs BG's extra rolls

[feral moth]

That's it, im calling it, first game crashing leagues revert will be EH users taking over the resource market and preventing resources from respawning =p

[true yarrow]

we'll also get a bunch of bone shards just from doing moons/huey

[tacit oyster]

we have had 4-6 hours league shutdowns on launch before, dont think any rollbacks though

[smoky raft]

I'm still excited to see people realize that Larcenist will keep stalls stocked but won't stop someone without Larcenist from robbing the stall too lmao

[true yarrow]

how many people who don't have larcenist will be touching stalls though

[feral moth]

Yep, waiting for all the tzhaar gem stall dreamers to get foiled!

[tacit oyster]

hopping worlds on alt just to rag stalls

[feral moth]

NGL, i'd sabotage a stall just for the giggles if I wasnt going larc, im sure others will, too! It's all fun and games after all 😉

[stiff hinge]

people did that in leagues 5

[feral moth]

TBH, wont see many people with larc doing stalls though

[true yarrow]

gonna be funny seeing the fight to get into the KBD entrance

[feral moth]

Just early varlamore, then into varl house robberies until T or M, probably

[true yarrow]

I guess evil eye can skip that though

[tacit oyster]

teleblock to prevent other person from entering

[smoky raft]

oh <@&385422009930219520>

🔔

ding ding ding ding

[feral moth]

I imagine if you are going Mory + Wildy, evil eye might be the better choice than Map.

[smoky raft]

I disagree

[shadow badger]

I agree

[molten gust]

I am mainly picking eye since I will also have mushroom from farming relic.

[feral moth]

Yeah, one thing to remember is fairy rings for sure, esp if not doing farming relic.

But Wildy gets handicapped by Map and fairy rings, so it definitely weights eye a lot better there. Not enough to be bound to it, hence if you go Mory, then barrows and moons benefits as well, making it a little more worth it

Im going map though, not going those regions, just thinking out loud ;p

[latent oracle]

Do the plain accuracy buff nodes get tripled by the shadow?

[true yarrow]

Evil eye definitely great for wildy

[smoky raft]

I would say that eye is better in wildy but I would not say map is bad

there are a good number of shortcuts, especially when you consider the underground portions of the wilderness, like the rev caves and slayer dungeon

[true yarrow]

as a mory person map seems kinda necessary though

[wet loom]

I'm with you there except getting grimoire

[manic prairie]

new relic just seems worse than the other 2

[smoky raft]

You also don't really need anything to get around since wildy has a built in teleportation network, provided you're willing to deal with obelisk shenanigans

[feral moth]

It has its nice areas, but the other two feel more.... versatile?

[shadow badger]

Mory and Wildy are the two regions where evil eye is the best option

[true yarrow]

Map solves RC in mory because there's shortcut right next to blood altar

[shadow badger]

It's nice if the boss has more than 177 hp when under 20%, otherwise flask is better

[true yarrow]

and map is also amazing for slayer tower

[feral moth]

Overall, though, after much thinking and planning and thinking, I believe Minion is best choice, especially if you arent going soul harvest.

[smoky raft]

You know what I just realized?

The Shadowflame Quadrant has +60 Crush and +0 Stab

Like I understand why from a mechanical perspective but that's still silly

[fickle jasper]

I wonder if its worth taking culling spree if I pick morytania

[shadow badger]

Yeah minion provides lots of QoL

[feral moth]

I thought the same thing! Like, its pokey!

[small flower]

lol

[shadow badger]

I don't think so

[fickle jasper]

I feel that way too

[feral moth]

The invisible imbued slayer helmet is really nice, but also, I really feel like theres no wrong answer on what you prefer 🙂

[true yarrow]

I'm still taking it, picking tasks is huge and culling lets you combine slayer helm with crystal/void

[fickle jasper]

But I wonder how fast slayer will be without the relic

[feral moth]

Except for banks heist, dont make that mistake

[fickle jasper]

Still need pretty darn high slayer levels for some of the bosses

[feral moth]

I bet pretty fast still, I skipped slayer relics on past leagues, and it only took like a day to reach bossing tasks

[stiff hinge]

i wonder if slayer will stack with void

[feral moth]

But culling spree just seems best for me and my path

[feral moth]

I believe they confirmed that? I cant remember

[stiff hinge]

funny

[feral moth]

Is void asg or kan? I forget

[smoky raft]

asg

even though it's in the western diary

[iron jasper]

does anyone know if it will be possible to purchase combat xp in pest control?

[feral moth]

Fair though, Kan already has so much lol

[smoky raft]

It will not

[fickle jasper]

It will

[feral moth]

Yeah they did away with that after their mistake in... leagues 4 i think it was?

[fickle jasper]

Nope

[smoky raft]

After the first time they realized how broken that was

[dusk vessel]

Wow that last relic, what a disappointment

[fickle jasper]

Disabled

[latent oracle]

Is there a wiki / page with approximate dps for each popular build

[pliant temple]

Glad to see we got 1 original t8 relic this leagues. This of course justifies... Nevermind not even going to get into it

[smoky raft]

[[DPS Calculator]]

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Damage_per_second_(disambiguation)

[iron jasper]

has the release time been published? I can only see the date on the website

[smoky raft]

It's almost definitely going to be <t:1776250800:f>

but it's also almost definitely going to be delayed by about an hour

[iron jasper]

thanks

[warm bridge]

anyone else doing KZW got a good mage pact build, with ancients as taking grimoire?

[true yarrow]

if you're taking kandarin ancients is kinda pointless

regular spells go brr

[smoky raft]

if you intend on using ancients you're probably either going smoke (for fire + air) or ice (water)

but elemental spells will still probably do you better

[twin ermine]

how much thorns damage would i lose using crystal instead of oathplate/torva

[tacit oyster]

ancients still have their general purpose of aoe even with kandarin. Just depends what slayer tasks you are doing

[smoky raft]

do you have the thorns capstone or not

[copper gorge]

Last year was 4

Or 2 years ago*

[deep basin]

guys, what do you think of tirannw>kandarin>wildy for mager? or tirannw>kandarin>morytania?

i'd like to have a raid

but also idk

[copper gorge]

I am doing the bottom one but kandarin first

My thoughts are, easier area easier points to get to 2nd unlock

[feral moth]

Its sounding like KTM is one of the best for mage builds, from what I hear.

[deep basin]

yeah, possibly

crystal armour is really strong for mage

[smoky raft]

if you're going powered staves

elemental builds really only need kandarin

[deep basin]

i'd go either gargler sceptre or water spells

but - what if i'd want melee? asgarnia>kandarin>morytania?

or desert

or tirannw?

[twin ermine]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-11-135-139-140-141-145-146-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-157-161-165-17-18-2-3-4-43-5-61-71-73-74-8-80-81-82-84-86-92-94-95-96-97

this is what i was thinking

[smoky raft]

I will say, Kandarin's pact tasks- while relatively easy- are backloaded a bit

[feral moth]

TOB in leagues is VERY fun, I usually recommend that, no matter the build, M is usually worth it

[deep basin]

last leagues i did varlamore, morytania, asgarnia

tob is too easy tbh xd

even hmt is just "click boss, click yellow"

or rather "click boss, don't clikc yellow"

[analog lance]

Yeah that's why I'm doing Kandarin second

[deep basin]

what kind of a build is strongest against single monsters and against multi monsters?

melee?

[twin ermine]

the hally nodes are only to solve zuk

[deep basin]

or gargler sceptre for multi?

[smoky raft]

ok so, depending on the rest of your gear for rounding, torva will give you about +15 damage per hit, while crystal will only give you +6

[analog lance]

Thrown weapons build is probably best for multi

[deep basin]

chins?>

[smoky raft]

though this can be padded with echo boots and a DFS, which are both available regardless of region

[copper gorge]

Yeah but you know how fast youll push slayer to get to thermy and kraken?

[smoky raft]

not as fast as I was hoping lmao

[analog lance]

Slayer can be a bit slow early

My aim is to take Kandarin second so that I have time to unlock Culling Spree

[twin ermine]

got it, i realized i have a free reloaded pick so i was considering AZM instead of ZKM and then taking grim for piety, but i also lose suffering for ultor. dont know how important that is

[smoky raft]

I was kinda hoping to get my first 11 pacts + fire cape day one but I think I'm gonna have to push that back to week one for my own sanity

[smoky raft]

honestly suffering will be... fine. Like the defensive bonuses will be great for the recoil damage increase, but the recoil effect itself will require you to actually get hit, which you uh... won't be doing a lot of

[twin ermine]

asgarnia it is then.

[eager terrace]

were is turtle relic

[stiff hinge]

it somehow slipped my mind that thorns would work on prayer

that's going to make leagues special EXTREMELY spicy for some people

[smoky raft]

if you do take AZM you will get access to the royal titans prayers, and while those aren't melee prayers they are unique in that they boost your def level but can also be used with steel skin

though, then again, grimoire for piety

[deep basin]

which regions are best for melee? asgarnia or tirannw or varlamore for armour, kandarin for zenytes, morytania for scythe/rancour?

ultor is from varlamore?

or zeah?

[feral moth]

Depends a bit on the melee build, but M is usually tied in somewhere no matter what.

[deep basin]

zero idea what i want honestly xd

[limpid lava]

mori would just give you the rancour and nox so its a big contender and a raid for scythe blindbag

[deep basin]

i just like melee

do you not need kandarin for rancour?

[twin ermine]

crystal armor went sicko mode last league

[deep basin]

yeah, crystal was great

[limpid lava]

no they drop as completed items

[deep basin]

i did varlamore instead because i wanted colosseum

i see

[feral moth]

Im happy crystal armour is now mage alternative, pretty sick for hybridding.

[deep basin]

so morytania, tirannw, what else?

desert for ancients?

[feral moth]

Asg for Torva build, or Kand I think for piety?

[limpid lava]

kandarin kinda sucks becasue you can just take grimuar for all spells and prayers

[deep basin]

i see

kandarin is a must have for magers tho, right?

[limpid lava]

ya as im going mage and kandarin echo wep is just wat to good

[deep basin]

or do gloves drom from doom as completed?

[feral moth]

Its not required, but would be silly to not go kand lol

[limpid lava]

they drop done

[smoky raft]

they drop completed

[limpid lava]

only the boots dont come completedly maxed out

[tacit oyster]

only for elemental mages

[deep basin]

idk if i want to go melee or mage

[smoky raft]

powered mage is better off going T

[feral moth]

So are the infernal tecpatls our demonbane solve? I dont think they really elaborated on that.

[limpid lava]

Elemental mages dps wise are INSANE over shadow

[lone bloom]

who else is using water mage build

[deep basin]

shadow is dead content these leagues

[feral moth]

Im doing water mage early, yeah

[limpid lava]

wind mage perma 106

[tacit oyster]

like kandarin is still +5% magic dmg from occult but it isnt must have for all mage builds

[deep basin]

what is the highest dps overall against single target? darts torva?

[analog lance]

It's the echo items that make Kandarin a must have

[limpid lava]

blind bag rng to the moon is def the highest with multi scythes

splashed into range for the echos

but its not consistant in the slightest

[tacit oyster]

blindbag is really just lottery dps build

[limpid lava]

but thats kinda what makes it funny the boss just goes boom like 30 hit splats and it dies

the range echos having a chance to cascade is crazy that it works with melee

[deep basin]

how would you do that?

sorry for stupid questions, i'm just not really following all the modifiers this year

[snow patrol]

is there something i'm missing about blindbag? 25% chance to trigger with 10% higher max hit doesn't seem that great given that crossbow echoes are already 40%

are blindbag hits guaranteed to hit?

[tacit oyster]

blindbag can chain blindbag hits and each blindbag hit can start echo hit chain

[snow patrol]

ig crossbow echoes need 100% regen setup

[tacit oyster]

so you get max hit of 2500 with actual dps being closer to 35

[snow patrol]

but that's like, 25% + (25%^2) + (25%^3)...

[limpid lava]

to be fair each hit splat gets the blind bag chance from the scythe

so getting those will be likely

[tacit oyster]

bling bag and echoes are per attack not per hitsplat

[limpid lava]

so nox would be insane then

for the min hit and the damage% at range

[molten gust]

Yep thats why so many are planning blindbag nox.

Myself included.

[tacit oyster]

yeah options are nox with 7tile range or full bloodmoon with spec spam for -1 tick on attacks

[limpid lava]

tbh even if it dosent work like that nox is kinda required for a primary melee build

[snow patrol]

oh ig the min hit with hally is a factor

[tacit oyster]

min hit and %max hit increase based on distance

[molten gust]

Yeah its an extra 9 for each I think? Or was it 9%?

[tacit oyster]

+8% to max hit and +18 to min hit

wait min hit increase is more

+18 min hit i think

[limpid lava]

its 21 it adds a 3 base then the distance same with the at range one and the % damage is 28% (4% each tile)

[latent oracle]

Is that build full crystal armor / nhally ultor ring rancour / max scythes?

[tacit oyster]

+4% every 3 tiles

[limpid lava]

AHH ic ic ty

im going wind/water mage so i will be chillin

[copper gorge]

Wrong its one attack

[limpid lava]

this was corrected litterly the line down

[stiff hinge]

water/air mage does seem very good but the earlygame is kind of rough

[tacit oyster]

wiki dps calc seems to have changed how blindbag works, it no longer scales max hit to 2k+

[short sphinx]

ight boys I have the hali bonk plan TMK early CG with 1 tick powered staff into Hali blindbag with range echos. Max fun (not max bis)

[stiff hinge]

wait, does leagues make it so you don't have to have done inferno in order to do the 3-6 jad challenges

[brittle hull]

correct

[stiff hinge]

okay, I was really confused looking at "do the 3 jad challenge" being an 80 point task and "equip fire cape" being 200

[copper gorge]

Imagine barraging 3 jad and healing every hit.

[brittle hull]

does anyone know if the thermy quadrant is counted as a wand?

[stiff hinge]

i would imagine not, seeing as how it's a staff

[brittle hull]

for the sake of the demonic pact stating regen

[copper gorge]

Its offhand

[fickle pine]

no it is not

[copper gorge]

The staff is not powered

[stiff hinge]

the regen ones you're thinking of are "powered staff and wand", presumably meaning "powered staff, and powered wand"

[brittle hull]

so the pact "Whenever your combat spells Regenerate air runes, you have a 15% chance to restore 1 prayer point per rune regenerated" does not apply

[stiff hinge]

it does if you're casting standard spells

because those all cost, and thus regen, air runes

[fickle pine]

it counts, as air/water surge uses air and water runes

[brittle hull]

sorry i meant this one "Whenever you Regenerate charges from a powered staff or wand, also Regenerate 1 air rune"

[stiff hinge]

the regen ones you're thinking of are "powered staff and wand", presumably meaning "powered staff, and powered wand"

that or kodai just makes you generate extra free runes for shits and giggles? idk

[fickle pine]

Understood

[stiff hinge]

oh right, the important thing: it explicitly says "regenerate charges"

not "regenerate runes"

[brittle hull]

well its onnly for powered staff or wand though. The quadrant is neither i guess

[stiff hinge]

yeah

it's a regular-ass staff

[fickle pine]

It is essentially a elemental staff, but a wand

[brittle hull]

so the pact is useless with thermy drop

[stiff hinge]

how is it a wand?

[brittle hull]

i dont think its a wand though

[stiff hinge]

to be fair "wand" is a very weirdly defined weapon, it's basically "non-elemental staff with no melee stats"

[fickle pine]

I feel like you need to get a kodai wand and test it out

[stiff hinge]

i think they're trying to define eye of ayak as a wand or something like that

[stiff hinge]

but nobody would ever call ayak, warped scepter, bone staff or scepters or w/e a wand or "powered wand", they're just powered staves

right?

technically they fit the definition

[smoky raft]

I'd call ayak a wand

[stiff hinge]

but it would just be a strange thing to do

[shadow badger]

Wands have "wand" in the name

[fickle pine]

looks like you generate runes off of wands then. all of those do not hold charges

[shadow badger]

And Ayak should be classed as a wand

Wands tend to be smaller than staves

[stiff hinge]

aw man

[brittle hull]

ayak is powered though

[shadow badger]

I mean the only distinction is between spellbook staves vs powered

[brittle hull]

and look slike you can consider the thermy drop a regular staff similar to twinflame, so it is neither powered taff nor wand

[stiff hinge]

i was thinking DHW might be competitive with quadrant for olm, then i remembered it means you have to actually cast earth spells instead of just having air count against the weakness anyway

[shadow badger]

I don't see why this "wand" discussion popped up

[stiff hinge]

from this question

the answer is no, if anybody else is still confused

[shadow badger]

Yeah it's an elemental staff

[stiff hinge]

yeah

[shadow badger]

or spellbook staff

[smoky raft]

I believe the term "autocast staff" is used

[shadow badger]

Yeah

[smoky raft]

judging by the suffix on the accursed sceptre

[fickle pine]

in the dps calculator, using the kodai wand on water surge with a fire rune regen perk, does not affect the max hit

[misty vessel]

I was thinking of going bluetooth nally with blindbag, but there's no healing possibilities and dps looked kind of low compared to mages

[shadow badger]

I'm going KTM and picking the infinite food relic

[misty vessel]

is 99 health going to be enough? - since you cant overheal

[shadow badger]

Unless you're a water mage, oneshots are probably still gonna oneshot you

Inf food just lets you spam angler-karam while you run around like a headless chicken

[sterile pewter]

Does the minion relic count as an attack you make? would it proc things like bf and pacts?

[shadow badger]

No

[sterile pewter]

Didn't think so. But wanted to make sure

[stiff hinge]

oh damn i didn't realize irons are coop-enabled for wildy bosses lol

i stand alone*
*ish, sometimes

[misty vessel]

what melee gear are you going for?

[shadow badger]

Crystal armour, nox hally, crystal hally, scythe, dharok's axe, and anything else

[molten gust]

Crystal hally is only if you go Tirannwn and Kandarin but yeah. The perk that makes all halberds 5 tick helps.

[stiff hinge]

you are talking to somebody who just said KTM yes

[molten gust]

Didn’t look up when I said it tbh XD.

[olive sun]

my exact build. what areas you taking?

[cursive edge]

This is my starter build. Planning to respec completely into powered staves + thorns whenever I have the gear for it.

W>T>M

Chance I love the KB too much and stick with it, in which case I’ll take D then probably Z

[olive sun]

im a casual whos only playing a week

so this gets me in quickest

Im thinking A for void and yet to pick 3rd

if i make it that far

[cursive edge]

Yep A makes total sense

Easy bis range gear

3rd honestly pick whatever seems fun. Some raid region?

KB doesn’t need anything other than W really to be insane

[olive sun]

yeah maybe D for TOA and drygore (for non boss mobs)

thought on W or A first? im worried the pest control boats are gona be dead

[stiff hinge]

i'm still not sure why people are considering going melee for early easy moons

[olive sun]

yep void ftw

[stiff hinge]

i guess the alternative is not doing moons until you have decent melee gear incidentally later on, with basically vanilla stats

or just doing it very late in general

[shadow badger]

Moons gives you melee, ranged, and magic gear

[stiff hinge]

yeah

[cursive edge]

W first imo. Very rewarding region, great for slayer, gets you Kings barrage early

[austere depot]

Seems like a reasonable use of one of the respecs to me, if you're planning out respecs rather than saving them as a safety net

[cursive edge]

Yeah I’ve done enough planning that I don’t see myself suddenly regretting and needing a respec

I probably will only end up using this 1 respec

[olive sun]

whats ur rsn? I think we may be in same clan lol

[cursive edge]

Varlamoon

Haha

[formal gulch]

Thoughts on latest relic drop?

[copper gorge]

Meh

[pliant temple]

lazy that 2 of the 3 t8 relics are old relics

[mint stone]

https://tenor.com/view/m-gif-7556977615911675392

[copper gorge]

Kinda weird they kept it a secret that long.

[pliant temple]

even though executioners axe is cool its just lazy

figured the final relic was gonna be something cool and new

[formal gulch]

I think I prefer Minion.

[shadow badger]

Technically all of them are old relics

[austere depot]

I'm already going sniper rifle, I don't need a finisher sniper rifle 😔

[pliant temple]

even flask? i dont remember that but i may also have a bad memory

[formal gulch]

Is Flow State useful?

[austere depot]

Flask is a tweaked Last Stand kinda

[pliant temple]

or it was in a leagues before i started playing

[shadow badger]

Guardian became stronger with QoL and last stand became manual without stat boosts

[pliant temple]

true actually yeah

didnt even realize that

but thats ok bc new and exciting stuff in leagues is one of the reasons they did that thing everyone made a big deal about

at least the pacts are a cool system even if i think its a bit much to expect people to think about

[shadow badger]

Yeah but only change executioner got was +1 range

[pliant temple]

yeah thats my point all 3 t8 relics are just rehashes of old ones

nothing original there

[austere depot]

I was gonna do flask but KBD's sniper rifle will be healing so much I'm not even too sure anymore

[tacit oyster]

+1 range and works with throwing weapon pacts, so i guess could double execute in one throw and if you throw too early it does echo hits

[formal gulch]

Flow State doesn't seem nearly as useful as Reloaded...

[brittle hull]

are there any updates as to when we will be unlocking regions

[pliant temple]

flow state is really cool its just unfortunately in the same tier as reloaded so almost no one is taking it

[pliant temple]

itll be roughly the same speed as the previous 2 leagues

[austere depot]

I'd probably sooner reload into EH+BG than take flow state

[shadow badger]

Still minion (guardian) has more utility now with the autoloot (with noting) and higher max hits instead of just being a longer and stronger thrall

[smoky raft]

flow state vs reloaded really depends on your regions and goals

I'm very firmly taking flow state

[formal gulch]

IIRC mining is same chance between all pickaxes, just that bronze is, like, 7 ticks per mining action whilst rune is 3 ticks.

[pliant temple]

but its still more or less the same thing

[shadow badger]

I'm picking flow state for the fun of it

[tacit oyster]

flow state is great for certain content and boosts multiple skill mainly mining/smithing/woodcutting/fishing. reloaded can be used to target specific need

[smoky raft]

it synergizes incredibly well with endless harvest and transmutation, both of which I'm also already taking

[shadow badger]

I wanna 2 tick stuff

[formal gulch]

So Flow State only really makes mining more useful.

[pliant temple]

im also taking endless/transmute but i think i really want reloaded to take either soul harvest or sustenance

or maybe even butler

is there a way to share links to the pact planner from the wiki or do i need to do it on the other site?

[austere depot]

Soul harvest is tempting but it'd basically be just RC for me if I take transmute and have access to wildy altar

[shadow badger]

Paste the url

[austere depot]

You can copy the link, it auto updates in the url bar

[formal gulch]

I'm thinking butler to shore up on all the resources that I don't have access to.

[pliant temple]

not planning on wildy but transmute kinda solves so soul harvest is a lot less cool

[mint stone]

Being able to fully not care about runecrafting is a huge thing, for me anyway.

[formal gulch]

I wonder if you can order your butler to mine pure essence?

[austere depot]

Yeah, otherwise rc is gonna be taking lamps away from agi >:( Which might be fine with BG or HF but transmute is making me question both of those

[pliant temple]

guessing this works with autocast right?

[small flower]

for anyone really, but some of us will choose to suffer cuz larcenist tirranwyn

yes

[formal gulch]

Do we have access to Fossil Island?

[smoky raft]

Um. Yes?

[shadow badger]

No

[formal gulch]

Oh.

[small flower]

yea, no misthalin related things at all

[mint stone]

Larce and reload into soul harvest, easiest choice of the leagues for me.

[shadow badger]

Fossil island and Isle of Souls are Misthalin

[formal gulch]

So no access to Soul Wars either?

[shadow badger]

I thought of this but soul harvest just solves 1 skill for me (RC) so I went with flow state

[small flower]

I am a little torn on whether to go culling spree at this point, MTA, it may make more sense to just take grim for piety and do the thing yea, but alacrity does honestly get me a pretty good RC option

[shadow badger]

No point in culling spree if you're going M
unless you care about task selection

[small flower]

M+T lets me use full crystal bonus with slay helm damage boost though

[shadow badger]

True but is it worth a whole relic tier

[small flower]

and honestly picking tasks is nice, can get vardorvi/whisper or GWD tasks and pick 200 qty

idk

[shadow badger]

I'm going with infinite food instead

[small flower]

that's the conundrum

[mint stone]

Endless Harvest, Woodsman, Eye, Transmutation, Larce, Culling, Reload into Soul Harvest, minion. Kand/Tirn/Desert

ezpz

[small flower]

inf food doesn't look bad the longer i think about it, piety is ~10% damage, but at the same time, bein able to be way more relaxed at nex/whisp/tob would be nice

[pliant temple]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-112-113-114-117-118-119-122-123-124-127-134-135-136-139-140-141-44-46-47-55-56-57-58-59-60-61-67-68-69-70-84-92-93-94-95-96-97-99

this is sort of my plan it sounds fun. water/fire mage tank with thorns

if i dont take desert (depends entirely on what raid my buddy wants to take), ill swap the ice and blood spell thing for other stuff. if anyone has any suggestions for things to change lmk

[small flower]

fire+water combo looks better and better the more i thinka bout synergy

[shadow badger]

Yeah unless you need ancients, you can skip grimoire

[small flower]

since the 6% health counts overheal, can really just alternate casting for good damage

yea i dont need ancients for anything, nor arceuus

it was just a rando pick for some damage

[tacit oyster]

infnite food is nice for players who are not confident or just too lazy to avoid damage, it will cost a lot of dps to eat during kill though

[small flower]

yea, and i like conceptually going for theoretical maximums, but at the same time, I know myself enough to figure i'm gonna be lazy at some point

[shadow badger]

Why learn boss when you can incur a 100 tick attack delay instead

[austere depot]

Infinite food seems alright for builds that don't have massive healing, maybeee even with blood fury if you can get infinite anglerfish or something

[small flower]

i guess if i think about it, if i did do a respec to dogger thorns at some point, i wouldn't wanna be eating there either

[cursive edge]

There’s a strat of brewing to 1 def with a thorns/suffering/echo boots setup, which likely requires the infinite food thing to work

[pliant temple]

idk if thorns is gonna work great with the mage build but it seems fun and wanted to try it

[cursive edge]

Ya I’m doing thorns + powered staves. It’s super good

[small flower]

mage does have decent options for semi-tank setups, it shouldn't be bad

[cursive edge]

Thorns is just free dps

[small flower]

arcane or ward, full crystal is solid defenses with good mage bonuses, fits perfectly in with power staves

[edgy lava]

epic

[pliant temple]

not planning on powered staves at all, full elemental mage

[limpid lava]

is it possible to imbue the slayer helm with out kandarin or is nmz?

[shadow badger]

I think you need nmz

[pliant temple]

still might do tir and try powered staves out but definitely dont wanna do it as a main build

[cursive edge]

Issue is elemental basically has to use devils element, and it’s not a shield so no thorns

Powered staves lose no power from running an arcane shield to enable thorns

No opportunity cost

[small flower]

it seems like an incredibly good early to mid option for very easy good damage
and you could use that to farm out gear for autocasting

[simple edge]

so like, if you havent played osrs before, will there be anyone making guides for leagues / new player intro to it?

[stiff hinge]

don't forget that blood fury is actually a really bad item compared to "good" leagues healing

it is, on average, 6% lifesteal for melee

[small flower]

i'll take 6% any day if my gear for a good chunk of the early game is gonna be spec spamming blood moon with no real good pact healing

[pliant temple]

yeah i just dont know if i want to take tir to spec into powered staves at all

[small flower]

ah

[pliant temple]

thorns might not be the play then

[small flower]

well, the armor is honestly pretty decent even for autocasting, you do lose smoe accuracy compared to virtus, but it's got extra prayer

[shadow badger]

imo I wouldn't recommend leagues for a brand new player

[cursive edge]

You won’t be using blood moon spec tbh. Self dmg is wayyy too high

[cursive edge]

It’s not a must tbh, Tir

[small flower]

nonsense, i'ma live on the edge

"do i have >30 life? yes? SPEC"

[austere depot]

Yeah 6% no overheal is alright but I could totally see a heals relic with it

[pliant temple]

really im not super happy with the idea of taking mage but i havent done it in leagues before and this is the first leagues its actually interesting and not just "take shadow"

i know id regret not doing it in the end

and i cant afford to bond an alt to try again when im done on my main

[small flower]

ele mage looks incredibly strong this time around

pretty much any of them really

[pliant temple]

i love the idea of overhealing with water and then burning through it with fire

very very interesting idea

i could also just knock out throns and go full earth water fire to lower defenses, switch to water, then switch to fire

[small flower]

actually i forgot how the spec worked, 25% of "current" so TECHNICALLY, i could camp like 4 hp and blood fury would probably let me nonstop spam

[tacit oyster]

you could camp rancour and perma spec too, just cannot get hit

[small flower]

lol

there's risk, and there's risk

so early game plan is full bloodmoon, bloodfury, and every doublehit weapon in the game for blindbag

[cursive edge]

Sure, somewhere not dealing any damage. Like you can prot melee smack sulphur nagua for crazy xp with specs thrown in

[small flower]

should help with early loot grinds that don't have any risk for sure, if i can pray vs all damage, will speed things up a bit

[cursive edge]

Amox you can avoid all damage too

But can easily fuck it up

And like 1 death wipes out any time you saved

[austere depot]

Oh I was wondering, is there anything stopping me from emauling and ranging Sol?

[small flower]

true, though i'd probably be doing amox before blood moon anyway

[cursive edge]

Emauling?

Sol is super tanky vs non melee

But I’m gonna mage him still

[small flower]

he's got like 700-800 defs

non melee

[simple edge]

hm yeah, looks pretty hard to learn anything in this game

[austere depot]

Say two elder maul specs

[small flower]

o

[austere depot]

Is there some mechanic stopping that

[cursive edge]

Oh nah not at all

[small flower]

i think some bosses have a limit to drained stats?

but i dont see anything for sol

earth spells might do alright on him too

[austere depot]

Alright thanks!

[small flower]

with a similar start

[cursive edge]

Crossbows with all the accuracy specced + emaul will do just fine

[small flower]

since it would continually drain his def

yea that sounds probably viable

[cursive edge]

I’m gonna sang staff him to death

Will still be like 10 dps

Plenty

[small flower]

lol

yea

[shadow badger]

You can use the wiki for learning stuff about the game
The game doesn't tell you a lot of information that are only found on the update blogs

[cursive edge]

Or like 16 dps with minion

Maybe I can set my minion on him and just run around like a chicken lmfao

[small flower]

like... how new is new? i think if you understood the basics of the game and at least had some idea of ... quests? basic combat? you could have fun

[shadow badger]

Zamorak gear for minion is mainly from clues, right?

[small flower]

if you're wildy it's just about free

but yea, mostly clues

[shadow badger]

Leagues requires a lot of info about what gear you need to aim for and what content each region has so it'll take a lot of wiki reading for a new player to understand stuff

[tacit oyster]

kandarin and wildy have a lot of free zamorakian items but really depends on regions

[shadow badger]

What does Kandarin have?

[tacit oyster]

unholy symbol and zamorakian robes

[small flower]

I mean if you understood the basics of combat and the general layout of the game i think you could probably have a fun time with a guide or just sorta looking at the wiki, is why i asked how new "new" was

i wouldn't say you're gonna push points like that, but fun is different

[simple edge]

maxed and quest in rs3

and most cb achievements but yeah

[small flower]

ok, did you play before EoC? or you're newnew to the oldschool combat

i think you'd enjoy it

[shadow badger]

I just think this year's leagues is less approachable for brand new players since you have to do a lot of tasks to get even 10 or 20 pact points

[shadow badger]

Well you should be able to learn it quick enough then

[small flower]

I mean if he's experienced with RS3, a lot of the lower pacts are gonna be approacable yea

2 things i'd say look into

varlamore on the whole

(and kourend if you choose that area)

[tacit oyster]

any region can also make zamorak heraldic shield in poh wiht 70 prayer to feed to minion

[austere depot]

Oh wow guardian stuff really is super free in wildy huh... I've just been thinking that flask might be a bit silly with king's barrage heals and axe doesn't really speak to me either, might go for guardian then

[small flower]

and the combat differences

otehr than that i think you'll pick it up fine

[shadow badger]

Minion is best T8 since it's free damage and has QoL with autoloot

if you need it at that point

[small flower]

hm, asgarnia has a lot of easy options for zammy items too

[simple edge]

we have gear and prayer swapping on keybinds, and i dont know the set effects very well in osrs

where can i see the pact tree?

[small flower]

so if asg or wildy it's easy to fill, otherwise probably looking at clues

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n="1"

[shadow badger]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/

[smoky raft]

don't you need asgarnia to change your heraldry to zamorak?

[simple edge]

hm, reminds of me of uh, ac valhalla?

[austere depot]

Yeah and honestly its smaller faster hits might complement the 7t crossbow well too

[shadow badger]

It's inspired by Path of Exile skill tree

[small flower]

yea, that might help in whatever cases you "almost" kill something but would otherwise be sitting around for 5 seconds to overkill it

smart choice

[smoky raft]

it is, thankfully, toned down

[small flower]

the dps calc also has it built in, with the echo weapons should you want to play around with it, or just look through things
https://tools.runescape.wiki/osrs-dps

[shadow badger]

Get working on next league gagex

We need the whole thing

[small flower]

but that'll take some looking into osrs combat and what areas have what gear

[austere depot]

Very appreciative of how fast we got Path of Building too

[small flower]

hah, yea

[shadow badger]

Comabt is easy enough to learn

[small flower]

main differences are how gear stats work compared to rs3, and the tile based maneuvering

[shadow badger]

Just step on the right tiles and use the correct protection prayers for most bosses

[smoky raft]

click boss don't die

[small flower]

ye

[simple edge]

here to experience the gem crab

[small flower]

but it does matter on the higher bosses

quite a lot

going into awakened vardorvis straight from rs3

is a good lesson in frustration

[wicked scroll]

are there any range builds floating around that don't revolve around the wildy crossbow

[small flower]

i bet there's dart thorn tanks around

[tacit oyster]

isnt rs3 also tile based movement and hitboxes, they just mask it with circle shapes and confusing visual

[small flower]

and definitely bower ones

[shadow badger]

There's lots of ranged thorn builds since wildy cbow is 2h

[small flower]

idk links to any o that tho XD

[simple edge]

you definitely have a lot more luxury of what tiles you click on but yeah,

[small flower]

it is, and it is, so yes

it might be refreshing to know what you're clicking on

(not hating on rs3, i like it, it's just.... noisy? in some ways)

[shadow badger]

Honestly moving around in OSRS is much easier since the tiles don't all blend together into the exact same colour

and you have tile indicators

[small flower]

ah, yea, runelite is uhh, an entirely different experience

[shadow badger]

Nah offical client also has the tile indicators I'm talking about

Like darkening the tile your cursor is on

[small flower]

oh? i've not actually launched that in ages, i'm glad they're putting in the good stuff then

[austere depot]

Also like the game but imo it feels to me like the RS3 map is trying to hide the tiles rather than embracing them but the game still very much works on tiles so it's a little awkward at times

[molten gust]

Do we know or have any confirmation of aerial fishing working with endless harvest?

[shadow badger]

Doesn't work

[molten gust]

Boo

[alpine swallow]

do we know what we will start with leagues with? Is it the usual tutorial island stuff? Or are we going to have to get an axe etc?

[tacit oyster]

you get dramen staff and most of tutorial stuff

[molten gust]

You usually start with starter tools and weapons along with dramen staff.

[small flower]

probably the usual standard "chop a tree, find some tree in a potato field" type oddities

[shadow badger]

Imagine not being able to punch trees

[small flower]

oh you mean actual starter gear

[simple edge]

hmm yeah, i know i can do a lot of the simple stuff osrs has im sure

[alpine swallow]

I mean starter gear yah, just wondering if I will have an axe

[small flower]

i still recommend at the very least checking out varlamore beforehand, it'd be an entirely new region to you, new map and all

[molten gust]

First action during leagues. Drop pick/axe/fishing supplies.

[alpine swallow]

going to be working when it starts, so my current plan is spawn in, run south, tele to aldarin, north shore > fish and cut trees with EH

[small flower]

i'm a hoarder, it all goes in the bank, and it will still be there at the end

[tacit oyster]

example from previous league -the echo pickaxe bottom right

[alpine swallow]

but kinda doesnt work if we dont start with axe etc

[small flower]

yea you'll probably have the usual new char inventory

i dont see why not

[shadow badger]

I won't be able to play till a few hours after start so all you folks can deal with any kerfuffles

[small flower]

unless we're all "refugees" from a burning misthalin and we're dirt poor or something

[shadow badger]

One iron dagger to commemorate Charlie

[alpine swallow]

even if I dont play when its straight out, once I get home. getting to aldarin north shore with EH seems a good start

[small flower]

and a wizard hat

[alpine swallow]

afk fish/wc whilst i read the task list and pull shit together

[tacit oyster]

I blame gridmaster, people refused to line for the wizard tower demon so they released demons to misthalin

[small flower]

I never did that task until like week 2

lol

of other leagues

[shadow badger]

Wait if Misthalin is burning, how do A and D pickers get the hot and cold clue device

[small flower]

you get it from league guy

that's stated

"You can also claim a free spade, Impling jar and two Strange devices from the leagues Tutor in Yama's Lair."

[shadow badger]

Fishing and Wc are easiest since there's no competition for resources

[small flower]

ye, hunter super early might be a world hopping mess

everything else is quite plentiful , the maps huge now

[austere depot]

I still haven't 100% settled between EH and full skilling at work or BG and only wc/fish at work, I'll have Asgarnia and Kourend which are like top BG regions but... EH good

[molten gust]

Would be funny if we could somehow do barb relic worked with aerial fishing. Your character jumps off and quickly swims back with the fish XD.

[small flower]

lol

[alpine swallow]

you can also buy bird snares in fortis general store, but the lvl 1 training spot is miles away

[small flower]

that'd be a lot of dev work for a joke

but i'd love it

i still wouldn't go zeah, but i'd appreciate it

[shadow badger]

New relic Telekinesis: Your character performs actions in a 10x10 area

Cut 1 tree to enact deforestation

[small flower]

yea it's gonna be an exodus of people rushing hunter over to a spot with like 6 birds

[hazy kraken]

Would Zuk be 6 tiles away? for axe

[weary drift]

hey i gotta ask, anyone know what builds would be good for taking Zeah? I wanna raid with the homies, was thinking maybe taking Wildy and Asgarnia or Asgarnia and smth else? Im either thinking Powered staves with thorns, ZCB or Wildy crossbow with water healing, any ideas or concerns yall see with these kinda line ups?

[molten gust]

Naa chain reaction. It goes to the nearest object of the same type (ie ores or trees) and chops it.

[shadow badger]

I think Zuk is 7 tiles

[molten gust]

Yeah the nox hally with the setup will work for Zuk.

[small flower]

yes you can melee zuk with hally, but not at the very edges, so you'd have to watch at the corner

[hazy kraken]

damn

[small flower]

oh, what's 6?

throwing?

[hazy kraken]

T8 axe

[small flower]

oh lol

[shadow badger]

Just put it on longrange

[hazy kraken]

Today's thing

Zuk was my first idea for the 20% kill

[tacit oyster]

i think zuk is 6 tiles from the center but can always put on long range for 7tile

[small flower]

the sages axe in past leagues was 8 tiles on longrange

[molten gust]

Its 8 on long range

[shadow badger]

Are you gonna do radiant oath task?

[hazy kraken]

So the 6 tiles they mention on the relic is for "rapid"?

[weary drift]

yeah, I like doing the yama radiant tasks

[shadow badger]

Well then you would need a high DPS build since Yama can instakill you

[molten gust]

Most likely yeah. Like most range weapons long range will work.

[tacit oyster]

oh weird how it is 8tile on long range in demonic pacts, +2 from rapid

[small flower]

probably, hard to actually say for sure without them releaseing exact info, but if it's a copy yes

[hazy kraken]

I have not really looked into everything just yet for planning. Wanted to be sure

[weary drift]

would cerb echo wep be any good if I took priff, asg, zeah? or would kand, asg, zeah be better?

[tacit oyster]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Sage's_axe wiki has the new version stats

[shadow badger]

I don't really know about the cerb dagger builds

[small flower]

ah

dogger seems pretty good honestly, just because of the speed alone

easy tree if you wanna go tank at the same time too

and enough points to go hybrid on something else

[narrow reef]

Anyone got any advice on a build for the nox hally?

[small flower]

pick hally/blindbag and the first 3 range echo nodes, plus the echo repeat node

[narrow reef]

Any good YT vids or guides for a build for it do you know? 🙂

[small flower]

probably the accuracy and dif style maxhit nodes as well down closer to the bow area

[errant mulch]

read all tree and choose the road everyone has his build to be good to play with it

[small flower]

not a clue, i haven't looked at any vids for any of this XD

[narrow reef]

Lol ty man

[small flower]

yea basically that

maybe another point for the powered staves regen a water rune

so you get the healing for that too

[shadow badger]

Good shout

I swapped a prayer pen for that

[narrow reef]

You can melee zuk with that too right? 🤣

[shadow badger]

From the center only

[errant mulch]

yes hally 7 tiles

[narrow reef]

Oh damn

[shadow badger]

So I would recommend something else when you're at the corners

[tough finch]

1t faster melee for early prog seems like it shits on everything else for the same amount of pts

around 8-9

[boreal plinth]

what regions are needed for avas devices?

[tough finch]

anyone got a build they thing is very strong for getting through first boss and moons before hitting a respec to whatever you wanted

[shadow badger]

Frem

[shadow badger]

Just build into melee depending on if you're using light or heavy weapons

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/sup-dawg-sug-nod-dog-gif-10032884340639555575

[shadow badger]

I would recommend blindbag since there's more heavy weapons in the game

And it's useful at moons with the boppers

[tough finch]

I want to actually use mage but mage is cheeks early. 1t faster melee simming stuff on dps calc seems to be just superior to the other options

by a lot

[shadow badger]

Which weapon are you planning on using

[dusk wharf]

Do you need herb seeds for the butler to gather herbs

[tough finch]

was imagining I grind out obsidian stuff from tzhaar

[shadow badger]

Only thing you need is the relic

[small flower]

yea, that may be the way to go, even for a 2h start, just spend the point for faster 1h, get obby gear, then go for amox/peri moons

that extra hit plus -1t is super low-point and incredibly good

[tacit oyster]

can buy steel dagger, steel halberd and steel knifes from shop in varlamore

[copper gorge]

You should 100% read the percentage breakout because ~ 50% of the herbs you get are gunna be tarromin and harralander

[small flower]

using it for bars/planks doesn't seem bad

[tacit oyster]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Butler's_Bell_(Demonic_Pacts_League)

[dusk wharf]

But he also works offline so every 24 hours it's 1k of each of the herbs as a minimum

[small flower]

thankfully regular planks are less common than teak/oak

[dusk wharf]

I was thinking for planks so i can get construction up

[small flower]

yea, that might be the best use for it, though there's always the ele balance thing

though i've hated actually doing that in the past

[dusk wharf]

tbh i was going to use reloaded at T7 to go back and get transmutation and then i'll have 1000s of resources at that point to transmute from the butlers bell

but idk if thats a waste of reloaded

[small flower]

well, keep in mind that transmute is the raw materials

so if you had done planks/bars it wouldn't work

[copper gorge]

Transmute is only ores, and logs

For butler

[small flower]

it'll work on the ores/rawfish/logs though

[copper gorge]

And fish*

[dusk wharf]

does it work on herbs?

grimy herbs

[shadow badger]

No

[copper gorge]

No

Works on herb seeds tho!

[fickle root]

am i seeing this right that you get up to a max of 35% blindbag chance with 5 weapons?

that sounds really bad

[shadow badger]

Up to 25% only

[small flower]

ye, just 25%

[fickle root]

15 base and +10 +10 no?

[small flower]

the chance isn't nerfed for consecutive blindbags like the range echoes tho

where do you see the second +10

[shadow badger]

There's only 1 '+10'

[tacit oyster]

one is 10% chance, other is 10% damage

[fickle root]

oh

gg

[fickle root]

wdym

[small flower]

blindbag can trigger more blindbags

[shadow badger]

It's 10% max hit not damage

[fickle root]

yeah but in order to chain proc you need to roll it again no

[shadow badger]

though I guess it's similar

[fickle root]

like 1/4 * 1/4

[small flower]

yea

[fickle root]

[small flower]

ranged echos can also chain, but the chance is halved after the first hit

so for ranged it'd be 20% *10% *10% *10%

[shadow badger]

Pick blindbag with ranged echoes for the wombo combo

[small flower]

yep

[fickle root]

idk the proc chance feels really low to have 25%

if you're scything it's once every 12 seconds

[small flower]

yea

it's a choice

there's a few 4tick 2hand heavies tho

and we start with them in varlamore

[shadow badger]

Full blood moon is good since it can go 3 tick sometimes

[small flower]

yep

good starter choice for going into that, though you've gotta actually get the thing first

[fickle root]

was hoping scything will be fun sadge

[small flower]

i think scythe ends up being BiS for staying in your inventory for the blindbags

lol

though i'm sure it's just fine as main weapon

[stiff hinge]

you can type \ before a * or similar to prevent it doing the italics btw

[tough finch]

I do actually think we need more late game respec options after doing so much theorycrafting

[stiff hinge]

20%*10%*10%*10%

[tough finch]

Some people will probably be super gimped

[small flower]

haha

yea probably

[stiff hinge]

how do you get to the point of being able to do echo bosses, even if they are very much not equal, and be gimped

[small flower]

i'm planning on going final tree after the second respec so if something does get figured out or bugged, i can fix it later on with the last one

well, gimped is a very relative way

10 dps is wild compared to maingame

10 dps compared to someone doing 55 is another thing altogether

[tough finch]

Such large discrepancy of power between builds and the difficulty of getting so many pact points.

[shadow badger]

Well if you're doing moons, you need melee so going mage or ranged isn't gonna help

[tough finch]

It won't happen but it would have been cool if raids had chance for respec vouchers etc.

[small flower]

that's where blue moon starter tree comes in! you get everything!

[stiff hinge]

simply don't do moons 😎

[small flower]

lol, that's also an option

though i'm sure there'll be a task for some of it

[tacit oyster]

10 dps is basically max main game gear on things with decent defences

[wicked scroll]

pref to just skip crossbows in general but it seems like doing so is a p big nerf. no way to overheal with a regular bow it seems

[stiff hinge]

...oh i feel really dumb, i was looking at blue moon spear and going "wtf this thing is useless, how is it so bad"

forgot to set it to cast instead of stab

[tough finch]

The dps calc also doesn't know how to calculate the set effect which is a huge part of that whole thing

Well it can be anyways

[languid mauve]

If anyone wants to duo leagues 6 or plan together let me know, even if you arent water mage

[stiff hinge]

even if you aren't lol

[small flower]

just copy the setup from mage, put it back to stab, and figure half that added to the first one

[brisk mauve]

It's a shame they didn't give the sage's axe some better stats to make it BiS thrown weapon to make thrown builds better

[stiff hinge]

the downside is you have to cast grasp and thus not benefit from elemental pacts

or weakness

[small flower]

true, you should still get +damage from fire regen though

as long as you get chunky regen chance that can be like 18 damage average

which is still fairly solid

but yea, nothing else really buffs undead grasp in any meaningful way

on a very weird note, pretty sure stun counts as a combat spell for regen purposes, would be a decent thing to cast as even range or melee

12 earth = major defense boost, 12 water = a pretty sizable heal

it doesn't have to hit, just casting it regens the runes

[dull imp]

lol sages axe. Minion or flask it is. Probably minion for the afk.

[tough finch]

Imagine rushing 100% regen so you can immediately infinitely train magic and range afk

[small flower]

actualy wouldn't be a bad start, go crossbow/water, gets you good range echo chance and some healing
9 points for 110% regen, 40% crossbow echo chance, and water regen healing

[tawdry carbon]

hi guys
me and my diablo clan are looking to come to osrs for the league.
with some help from the game questions chat, we were told that desert + kourend + morytania has the most group content for us

is this the right chat to ask for ideas on what relics to pick? I think those couldnt be selected again so dont want to pick a really bad one for this plan

[tough finch]

Probably kill fight caves after doing that pretty easy too

[small flower]

you could comfortably swap desert out for asgarnia, if you didn't want to go all 3 raid regions

asgarnia still has gwd/nex for group activities

[dawn tide]

You’re picking all 3 raids, so theres gonna be a ton of long arduous tasks to complete

[tough finch]

Relics are hard to be "bad" picks, those are pretty much playstyle preferences. Some skills are harder to train than others and relics make it easier, but everything is totally doable with the amped xp rates.

[tawdry carbon]

yeah we arent completionists just want to experience combat content together .

[small flower]

definitely would say at least one of the raids then

[tawdry carbon]

and thenm maybe we will play main game after if we like it

the #1 focus is combat content to experience together in a party

[small flower]

mory you get the raid and nightmare, kourend you get the raid and yama, desert you get a raid, asgarnia you get nex

wildy you get to goof around and fight each other too

[tawdry carbon]

i did some tob before i stopped playing osrs and i really liked it
everyone else is mostly diablo2/path of exil2 player, never played osrs before but it looks fun to them

[small flower]

that might actually be a good choice for a big group

[tough finch]

Sad you cant experience a bandos trip like in the main game with your buds since every is an iron man

[tawdry carbon]

its a small group

[tough finch]

That's a classic "first group pvm" experience

[small flower]

ah, well, any sized group really, pvp with no stakes can be fun

[tawdry carbon]

so is the desert area bad/raid is not good?

[small flower]

well, no real stakes i think you have to pay to get gravestone back now

desert might be best raid imo

but it's the only group activity there

[tawdry carbon]

morytania is a must because some of them watched swampletics video and are interested

[tough finch]

The desert raid is beloved by the community. Considered the best usually

[small flower]

fair enough tob is great, nightmare can be fun to learn

[tawdry carbon]

kourend i was told has a raid and it was advised by the other chat

[tough finch]

Cox can get exhausting for some people but I think it's chill

[tawdry carbon]

but theres no bad choices for relics?

[small flower]

it's mostly exhausting when RNG screws you over

[tawdry carbon]

it cant be re-spec right

[small flower]

can't respec the relics no

but there's not much for "bad" options like was said

even the "less great" options are still significantly good

and if you're going desert+mory +? you've got great options for melee and range both

[shadow badger]

Well if you wanna skill, different regions have different 'solves' which means some relics will be more useful than others

[tawdry carbon]

yeah, desert+kourend+morytania

for the raids of the game

i just dont want to pick a relic that boosts something that isnt in the region or something

i dont really know what is in the regions and stuff

[small flower]

ah, there should e no rpoblem there then

[tawdry carbon]

other than the raids

[small flower]

maybe dont bother with the farming one? since kourend has tithe farm

[tawdry carbon]

are there "no brainer" relic choices all of us should grab?

[small flower]

not really?

maybe transmute if one of you wants to go mage

so you have wrath runes

you won't have kandarin for the thermy stuff, but nightmare drops harm nightmare staff which should still be decent

(would take a lot of farming for it tho, even with boosted drop rates)

mage with those 3 regions would definitely be on the weaker side of builds

though it'd probably be fine doing a power staff thing

[tawdry carbon]

it seems like it i was on the wiki and the echo item is a gargoyle staff or something?

[small flower]

i'm saying weaker but weaker is way way relative here

[tawdry carbon]

according to this our super items are range, a blowpipe (range again), and the sceptre

al all of us get that tecapalatal

[small flower]

yea

[tawdry carbon]

are the echo items like super hard to get or something

[small flower]

nah, the echo bosses shouldn't be overly difficult

[tawdry carbon]

ok

we only get 3 resets of the unique tree though

[small flower]

hespori especially should be an easy one to start with

[tawdry carbon]

the demon pact one

[small flower]

yes

[tawdry carbon]

for our region are there recommendations on what we should 100% grab? i know you said the relics dont have bad choices but im not sure if the skilltree is the same story

[small flower]

skill tree depends on how you want to be doing combat

will be up to each of you guys individually really

[tawdry carbon]

well the teater i remmeber it was really melee heavy but 1 room needed all 3 styles

chambers i think it was all 3 styles too

i dont know anything about desert raid

[small flower]

you could probably get away with one guy having some spec into power staff and spamming the gargoyle staff spec there

desert raid has a boss that cycles overhead prayers, but you can also spec into prayer pen

well, i suppose 2 bosses with overheads

[tawdry carbon]

is it a bad idea to go in each direction on the pact tree then/

[small flower]

you could probably spend the first time in tree just going towards what seems interesting, say 25ish points? and respec into something you find you find you like

especially with hesopri getting that first respec should be fairly easy

[tawdry carbon]

ok.

[small flower]

you'll also have relatively easy access to the perilous moon sets from varlamore(start area) so a 2h heavy weapon set, a thrown range set and the weirdness that is blue moon mage

[tawdry carbon]

well we get the bow from hesp[ori right

[small flower]

yes

plus the tecpatl from amoxliatl

[tawdry carbon]

i was thinking of a little melee and range mixed

like bow and heavy melee

but the ni was worried about mage parts of the raids

thast why ia sked about it being bad to kind of branch a little in each direction

[small flower]

i mean you could each build into a different hybrid of some sort and it'll probably work out just fine

[tawdry carbon]

cool.

[small flower]

though if at least one of you does do power staff with the gargoyle echo it'll work out just fine as well

[tawdry carbon]

power staff on the tree?

this right?

[small flower]

something like that

yea

[tawdry carbon]

oh i see

search function works like path of exile

ok

thats super cool

ok

we're all hyped

thanks for the help

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/dancinha-dance-dança-michael-scott-the-office-gif-27708686

[tawdry carbon]

@mild stump why clown?

[tawdry carbon]

would this work with the water regeneration healing of the powered staff?

[astral sigil]

They starting Wednesday morning again this year?

[small flower]

yes, the overheal nodes will work with any healing on the pact tree itself

[tawdry carbon]

is something wrong with my plan since someone told me i was clown? @small flower

[small flower]

but not healing that is specifically inherent from an item or spell

nope, idk what the intention there was XD

[tawdry carbon]

like am i setting the group up for failure or something

ah ok

[tacit oyster]

probably troll reaction since he hasnt sent any messages from that discord account on this server

[small flower]

i'd use the pact points at start to make the early game easier to progress, and try out things that you want to play with

[languid mauve]

You mean Tuesday

[small flower]

you'll get an easy early respec that you can then switch to a tree more related to whatever gear you find you like

[mild stump]

Not a troll, this league is just luke warm

[languid mauve]

No fkn way

How the fk did i forget

Its not the 14th!!!

[small flower]

wat

[languid mauve]

What am i gonna do all day tuesday

I thought keagues was tuesday

[blissful fiber]

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/ariana-grande-barbiaminaj-glinda-ariana-grande-wicked-wicked-gif-3768134899335161969

Well i guess ill just go do wheelies all day

[small flower]

make sure you're screaming "VROOM VROOM" at the top of your lungs as you pass by people

[cloud panther]

lol

[small flower]

hm

[cloud panther]

didst thou dareth to hm me?!

[languid mauve]

Wat

[small flower]

i'm thinkin if i need to reschedule wednesday morning lol

[cloud panther]

idk

[astral sigil]

I got no clue tis why I was asking lol.

[small flower]

I'd imagine they'll post times at some point before launch

[copper gorge]

Its wednesday

[cloud panther]

just call into work and tell them you died in a fiery accident.

[languid mauve]

I fooled myself it is Wednesday im so sad lol

[copper gorge]

At 7am est

[wary walrus]

is soulflame able to be used on others in leagues? i had an idea for a support based horn user like in monster hunter

[astral sigil]

Anyone considering barbarian instead of endless?

[copper gorge]

Except last leagues there was a 4 hour delay

[small flower]

foolproof plan, I shall do that

they'll be none the wiser

[astral sigil]

There's always a delay. Don't expect to get on when they posted expected launch lol

[languid mauve]

Most people here consider barb or the other one over endless but im going endless because of work

[zinc olive]

punch rock

[small flower]

yea even if i do get around to sitting down at 8am(or whatever time) i'ma just assume i'll be chillin for a couple hours doing nothing

[languid mauve]

If leagues is not live 7am EST im calling police

https://tenor.com/view/cops-police-sirens-catching-crminals-what-you-gonna-do-gif-22472645

[astral sigil]

I did endless on previous leauges and I get bored quick of the afkscape

[cloud panther]

sue them for breach of contract.

[small flower]

endless makes a lot of sense if it's an alt or you plan on afking a good deal for sure

[languid mauve]

Yeaa! He gets it!

[small flower]

honestly it's pretty good if you're going regions that get the dragon tools too

[languid mauve]

Well people spend all day mathing pacts but dont look at other stuff

[small flower]

mathing pacts is fun and takes way more time 😛

[languid mauve]

Rune pic and the EH x2 resources is nearly the same as crystal tools

[small flower]

yea, EH should be very nice for everything

especially with the x2 resources meaning x2 xp

[astral sigil]

I was thinking barbarian harvest > friendly forager and realizing I'm definitely in the minority with that lol

[small flower]

i'm going BG->Wood

[languid mauve]

Starting out eh will suffer but what 100% sold me on eh was the fact u can keep mining/fishing/cutting even if it depletes

Thats so amazing

[small flower]

bg-forager is definitely a different mix, does entirely fix any herb levels and potions needed

yea, not being able to be griefed by one of us BG plebs is nice

[languid mauve]

Yee lol

Because u only need to click it one time before it depletes and then u can sit on that ore for 6 hours

[tacit oyster]

the solved part in that site is not that good, you would only get over 70% if you select best training method regions and relics. Like only way to get above 75% on cooking is picking hotfoot lmao

[astral sigil]

Idk endless harvest is great but XP and resources are never really an issue in leagues

[languid mauve]

Before nerd log

[low cloak]

Is it just me or does the wiki's DPS calc for blind bag change everyday?

[small flower]

I think he was just pointing out the timer to launch, but i do agree, ignore the %

[brittle hull]

do we have a theory crafted meta for getting soul shards?

[languid mauve]

I was shocked when Mod Husky said the max hit node is split between the kbd crossbow

I really thought people would be hitting 200s

[tacit oyster]

tree/fruit tree runs

[low cloak]

Kill anything that drops bones or ashes

[astral sigil]

Farming. Someone pointed out you would get HUGE shard drops from farmed trees

[small flower]

bloodvelds? XD idk

[zealous whale]

if we go barb gathering do my punches work on the guardians in chambers

[brittle hull]

i assume trees will be huge but idk if you kill stuff you might need to pick the shards up before you have minion]

[astral sigil]

Asking the real questions lol

[low cloak]

Do shards scale with the tiers of bones/ashes btw?

[languid mauve]

Mod Husky said from a check health on.la Redwood would net you enough shards for nearly 450K rc/prayer xp

[blissful fiber]

i still hope im not bricking myself with my options

im super worried

[small flower]

yea i suppose it makes sense with them making just half the attack water based, but that and the tecpatl being a split maxhit was a little sad

[blissful fiber]

its my first league

[brittle hull]

wtf

[tacit oyster]

yes barbarian fists work as best pickaxe for both akkha puzzle and cox guardians

[low cloak]

You're hella bricked

[small flower]

evil eye might not be needed, but honestly you can't really go wrong with T1-T3

[low cloak]

You only want 1 raid region

2 raid regions are gonna be hell

[blissful fiber]

evil eye has bank covered doesnt it?

[languid mauve]

Everytime i go back and dive deep into my build i see other paths and it makes me kinda redo everything

[brittle hull]

i cant justify the agility tle relic

[kind viper]

Hope you are looking forward to all the special contracts for Yama

[small flower]

yea, huey

has a bank

[low cloak]

Yeh huey

[astral sigil]

Evil eye is hard to beat tbh

[tacit oyster]

1 soul fragment per 4xp in normal game farming.

[brittle hull]

maybe colo bank too

[small flower]

yup lol

[languid mauve]

Varlamore quetzel whistle had bank covered. It has closest teleport to a bank over any in game

[blissful fiber]

agility tp is just too niche + need agility solve (which i have with hotfoot)

[cloud panther]

I am thinking of going EH-Woodsman-Evil-Trans-larc-cull-reload into soul harvest

[low cloak]

Whistle has that long ass animation though

[brittle hull]

i just switched out woodsman for herb

[small flower]

regions?

[cloud panther]

Kandarin-Tira-Mory

[languid mauve]

Thats true

[small flower]

oh yea, that sounds good

[low cloak]

Takes 500 billion years for the bird to pick you up

[brittle hull]

do you know how to go cg?

[small flower]

larc with tira+mory is nutso

[languid mauve]

Honestly teleport relics are purely based on your region choices and i think people should check out teleport spots to find which one is best for them

[cloud panther]

build a demonic pact build centered around powered staves with full prayer pen

[languid mauve]

Map of Alacrity is best for me

[austere depot]

Also taking Zeah, also embracing that 39 pacts life

[tacit oyster]

yeah at 8x xp multiplier checking redwood tree gives enough soul fragments to get 450k xp in rc

[cloud panther]

beat CG into the ground

[brittle hull]

why not go before kandarin then?

[stiff hinge]

yama in grid was pretty easy, i can't see the contracts making it that much worse if you show up with 35+ pacts

[small flower]

was lookin at that, don't even need thorns, just go crazy defense level with prayer pen and that one shield node and you'll have like 20% chance to just ignore any attack, it does look really nice

[copper gorge]

Im almost not wanting to go melee route at all

[cloud panther]

honestly it's a tossup between the two I just didn't decide which first

[low cloak]

Blindbag's crazy btw

Wiki calc says my max hit is 777

[small flower]

grid definitely just gave you all the power though, but yea, i don't see why it should be anything ridiculous, learning the instakill mechanics sure, that's just learning mechanics though

[languid mauve]

I think people looking into dps calcs so much is taking away the entire point of the tree and exploration

[tacit oyster]

blindbag probably only getting final numbers late tomorrow night, after husky works with wiki dps devs on it

[small flower]

ye, my plan doesn't look great on the calc, but the idea of it sounds fun to me so i'm doing it

[low cloak]

Only issue is that I'll probably need to use my resets to beat zuk

Because otherwise I'm all-in on melee

[small flower]

i mean you could just start out as a water mage

like 9 points and you steamroll inferno

[stiff hinge]

nahhhh

[small flower]

sorry, 10 points

[blissful fiber]

i dont really care about dps calc but im worried if going thorn/light weapon/fire will work

[austere depot]

Watergun build

[blissful fiber]

(going cerberus dagger)

[stiff hinge]

a huge amount of the power on mage comes from the K drops i think

[low cloak]

I'll probably do ranged with bowfa

[small flower]

i mean, ignoring shadowflame/element

[low cloak]

Since my melee build doesn't have good mage options

[small flower]

everything in there is water weak

[languid mauve]

@little ermine you would only stop if a normal interaction would stop you. I.e 6 hour force log or 30 minute afk timer. Internet shutting off etc. even if resource depletes or someone else depletes it (after you already clicked on it) you would still cut/mine. fishing is different all it does is make your character auto run to the new fishing spot