leagues-general

[cursive edge]

they prob made the main hit magic and not typeless just because typeless wouldve been too op for bossing

would make the dps increase it gives insane vs super tanky shit like sol

[zinc musk]

Hi first time doing an osrs league, can u choose an account to get the cosmetic rewards on like in rs3 or do you have to play the account you want the cosmetics on?
I wanna keep grinding main while playing leagues

[cursive edge]

Have you play the account you want cosmetics on

[lapis flax]

considering the nylo room, im thinking about losing 1melee dmg% in exchange for 2 tick dagger for the nylo room since my main hand melee weapon will be 5 tick and thats not great, but then also the gargelon staff might just make it fine

[lapis flax]

a lot of the cosmetics tend to be tradeable but the league points you get are tied to the character im like 99% sure

rather than your jagex account

[cursive edge]

if youre soloing yeah maybe the dagger

[zinc musk]

Oh thats annoying, time waste for main acc

[cursive edge]

what regions? youll have asgarnia?

[zinc musk]

I mean grind waste

Not time

[lapis flax]

nah im going kand tirn mory

[cursive edge]

this is a diff build to the wind/crossbow one?

[lapis flax]

no im running the low dps bluetooth hally blindbag

for fun

[cursive edge]

oh i see

[lapis flax]

i know its shit dps wise

lmao

but specifically for nylo room

cause ill have the 1 tick powered staff

[cursive edge]

i mean dont need dagger for 2t anyway

ham joint and shit

[lapis flax]

fists are 3 tick right?

could just punch them

idk if fists count as 1h weapon

[dull imp]

sammmmmeeee

[cursive edge]

nvm ham joint is 2kg

[lapis flax]

cause technically i have 2 hands

wait

its under 1kg not 1h

🤣

[cursive edge]

i do think fists would become 3t

but

you could just bring a ham joint

and save the points

[lapis flax]

hmm is there a weapon list on the wiki that i can sort by weight

would be very nice right about now

[cursive edge]

i wish

oh there is this beast i heard about

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Katana

2h and sub 1kg

[lapis flax]

eelite clues without clue relic 😬

[cursive edge]

lmao

1-3 elites from superiors with slay one tho

and clues are still shorter by default maybe?

[tacit oyster]

you can search 1 handed slot table or 2 handed slot table and sort those by weight

[lapis flax]

clue relics benefit is not getting the clues tho

[cursive edge]

otherwise there's dragon claws if you have kourend

[true yarrow]

or rune claws from ninja imps

[cursive edge]

oh true.. thats simpler

[lapis flax]

implings are more common and higher rarity

and i am rushing hunter

[wary egret]

Does drop modifier work on Dagon hai?

[cursive edge]

asically same stats as katana

[lapis flax]

could be the play

[lapis flax]

on what page is this

the weapons page is not a table list

[tacit oyster]

search it in wiki

[true yarrow]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/One-handed_slot_table

[tacit oyster]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/One-handed_slot_table

[lapis flax]

OH

i literally did not read what you said

mb bro

ty

wait

blisterwood flail is like 0 weight

[true yarrow]

yeah if going mory it's good 1h option

5t though

[lapis flax]

yeah ideally itd start 4 or 3 tick

for nylo

[tacit oyster]

butterfly net 1handed 4tick

[cursive edge]

Hmm Asgarnia, Kourend, Kandarin has gotta be the most insanely versatile regions.

Can do the 45 dps sunlight crossbow ranged build (or ZCB + Buckler)
Can do maxed out 45 DPS Dogger + Thorns build
Can do maxed out 50+ DPS Air Prayer build

[tacit oyster]

but so are any daggers

[lapis flax]

could be the play

[dull imp]

yeah but asgarnia

[true yarrow]

dragon dagger should be easy since we start with zanaris unlocked I think

[lapis flax]

honestly just let me eat half of the ham joint and itll go from 2kg to less than 1

[true yarrow]

or obby dagger from karamja

[tacit oyster]

obby dagger probbaly best 4tick, under 1kg one handed weapon for a while

[lapis flax]

yeah ill prolly end up using a dd

or i can run a bunch of sire and get an abby dagger

i mean i will have abby demons for whips

whips also under 1kg

[dull imp]

whips for a while

what regions are you going again?

[lapis flax]

kand tirn mory

[true yarrow]

will take a bit to get the slayer level for whip

[dull imp]

ktm?

[cursive edge]

im thinking of doing Tirranwn first region, rushing 1t staff node to destroy CG, chin range up a bit to bowfa zulrah till toxic staff, and then be giga op from there on

[tacit oyster]

whip is for everyone in abyss

[lapis flax]

im going tirn first too

cg rush also

[cursive edge]

having toxic trident + full crystal + 1t staves this early

[lapis flax]

even though im going for the blindbag build i start by getting 1t powered staff in cg

[cursive edge]

would b nuts

[lapis flax]

then you just 5-1 cg with the staff

should be freelo

[dull imp]

i think im gunna go powered staff into crossbow add on thorns at the end build

[cursive edge]

the bowfa zulrah grind might feel a bit mid

just cause no real bonuses to range

bit of accuracy maybe

[lapis flax]

imma wait for zulrah till ive got better stuff

[cursive edge]

what do you kill other stuff with?

[lapis flax]

but honestly once you finish grinding echo hunni you are prtty kitted out

[cursive edge]

toxic trident is easiest powered staff to get

[lapis flax]

full crystal armour either saeldor or bowfa crystal blessssing

[cursive edge]

yeah, i mean thatll do just as well on zulrah

[lapis flax]

yeah it might be the play hoinestly

[cursive edge]

but still

nothing crazy cause no ranged pacts

[lapis flax]

i should be able to kill zulrah with blade of sael right? with 2 title range

[cursive edge]

i suppose yeah

[lapis flax]

so it should be fine

[tacit oyster]

no, only 2 handed get +1 tile

[cursive edge]

fair point, i may have enough points by then

for saeldor to hit ok

[lapis flax]

oh fuckj uu right its 1h

[cursive edge]

well

its 1h and not <1kg so

yeah nvm, aint much to buff it

[lapis flax]

its kinda the worst pos you could get

[dull imp]

crystal hally?

[cursive edge]

thorns and +3 min dmg

[lapis flax]

yea

[dull imp]

or dragon hally

[lapis flax]

this will be the best bet

[tacit oyster]

1 handed heavy get blindbag but not really worth

[cursive edge]

oh wait its yeah 1h, not even 2tile range

so not an option

[lapis flax]

crystal hally ig

[true yarrow]

if you want versatility the only real mandatory option is kandarin for the air build, varlamore+karamja on their own enable a lot of stuff

[cursive edge]

you dont even get crystal hally

it needs kandarin i think?

[lapis flax]

im taking kandy

but

ig i might not have it unlocked

that early

[dull imp]

youll have enough points after echo hunny

[lapis flax]

so ill need to save zulrah for later

[tacit oyster]

yeah kandarin + tirannwn but still takes while to get diary done

[dull imp]

to get kandarin

[lapis flax]

or jsut do zulrah as tho its main game content with bowfa lmaoooo

[cursive edge]

ye

[lapis flax]

i mean

[cursive edge]

will have like 50% accuracy

extra

[lapis flax]

thats still not bad

[cursive edge]

and 5x droprates

[dull imp]

do we know how the western diary is gunna work?

[lapis flax]

i can also build into range a bit for it since im getting the range echo tiles anyway

[cursive edge]

maybe 65% accuracy extra

which is a lott

does bowfa even proc echoes lol

[tacit oyster]

can complete it fully in kandarin

[cursive edge]

doesnt seem like it counts in any way as 'regenerating ammo'

[tacit oyster]

jmods said even corrupted bowfa will regen ammo in the code

[lapis flax]

^

similar to how powered staves regen charges

i mean 67 ttk is not the worst

thats with this board

which doesnt impact my final build at all

and i can get that before i even unlock tirn

[true yarrow]

if you're going kandarin you should take it first it should be easy speedrun

[lapis flax]

could be the play, ig if i cant unlock kandarin before i wanna run zully

[true yarrow]

take tir second

[lapis flax]

i could but i kinda wanna rush echo hunni

with 1t powered stave

because the gauntlet staves max hit is not affected by your magic level

its 39 always

[tacit oyster]

The wiki team still has questions we haven't answered and won't until Monday more than likely

[lapis flax]

so it will be pretty free

[tacit oyster]

so some parts of wiki dps calc might change on monday/tuesday

[dull imp]

they still dont have prayer pen in the calcs

might be huge to go one style 100% pray pen

[lapis flax]

wait its 80s ttk cause i wont have cullign spree yet

[tacit oyster]

culling spree would also require zulrah task to apply on zulrah

[potent quail]

But there is few enemys where it matters

[tacit oyster]

easier to get accurate calc with it off, unless you know you will farm slayer tasks for it

[lapis flax]

yes and culling spree makes getting a zulrah task easier

because you always get the option of a boss task in your choose 1 of 3

and its like 1 of 2 or 3 bosses i can get on slayer task

or something

with only tirn unlocked

[tacit oyster]

you can also select between 5-200 for any task i think. so reasonable to grind the correct task

[lapis flax]

ye

just choose 5 if you dont want the task

and choose 200 when you hit zully

[burnt sentinel]

Is full eclipse + atltatl and range thrown build rush not insanely good early dps?

[lapis flax]

should be decent

[tacit oyster]

not very op, slight buff to max hit compared maingame

a lot more accurate though

[burnt sentinel]

I have absolutely no clue what to go for

[dull imp]

oh true

i think i have my perfect starting ranged weapon

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Hunter's_spear

[burnt sentinel]

I always go for Mory to do tob, but I want to try a mage build, anyone know a mage mory build?

[lapis flax]

you could run the prayair build

[tacit oyster]

tirannwn into morytania works hybrid/tribrid with powered staff. could also do kandarin into morytania if you want elemental/ancient build

[burnt sentinel]

I kinda want a reset lategame for melee Bluetooth bagpipe build

[lapis flax]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=WateringBloodntarTransvergence

the layout 2 is Prayair

[true yarrow]

kandarin on its own lets any other region have a mage build

[tacit oyster]

tiranwan would give crystal armor which works on all melee and also powered staves

[dull imp]

and it works on hunter spear

crazy

[lapis flax]

you would do different demonic pacts because this one is for a xbow with air surge alternating attacks

but the idea is there

basically choose all the air talents and take kandarin for the echo thermy items

then get 50 pray bonus however you can

makes you always max hit

[true yarrow]

yeah

air + kandarin is busted

[lapis flax]

the water tree there is so you can manual cast water surge every so often to heal back up

[near trench]

Someone willing to peereview my route?
Z -> T -> K
EH->Woodsman->Eye->Transmute->Larcenist->Culling->SoulHarvest->Flask
Progression: https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?name=6-+ZTK+-+Zuk-Raids&share=1jxFrC3sHgtRADAIAQIAAAAA.wJ-BFQQBMKUaiBMjBoMAZBgJsnYUPGEH5FjPr3pYQ-kQ-TAVFYR6oWSUiTOksRg-ROLIVhdKaymvzQU
Endgame: https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?name=ZTK+-+Full+Endgame&share=1yxlLDyMDgvQwDYYEIIABAAA
Progression via Hespori Echo wep, Air/Water Mage, CG solved by 1t-staff / 3t-bow
Endgame dropping Accuracy but including Melee-Setup for last few Pacts. Water for Full AFK viability.
1 Respecc used - not mandatory if you are good.
DClaw Alt Endgame: https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1y7kYDyMDM9IwDEaAAIABAQA&name=DClaws Endgame MaxAcc

Full Guide: https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1492691468832215112

[wary egret]

Stuck deciding between larcenist and soul harvest

[true yarrow]

larcenist is no brainer if you're going tiranwyn

if not it's tougher choice

[burnt sentinel]

Is air tree just insane dps?

[true yarrow]

yeah once you get enough prayer bonus

[wary egret]

Wildy kandarin zeah

[lapis flax]

the capstone gives you x% chance to max hit on air spells per 1 point of prayer bonus, and the kand echo items make everythign have air weakness which doubles the effect, so at 50 prayer bonus its guaranteed max hit, like the crossbow capstone

and then the other node in air tree gives you 7% magic dmg per active prayer

you can activate 8 prayers if you have zeah for perserve or grimoire, 7 if you dont

so its plus 49% or 56% max hit

which you always max hit

and then you also get a 3 tick casting speed

[burnt sentinel]

Damn thanksssss

Screenshotting this

[lapis flax]

so youll be hitting like 110 every hit

depending on your gear setup

high accuracy too if you fully spec into it and take all the accuracy nodes and prayer pen

[true yarrow]

prayer in wilderness isn't too bad, so you can probably skip soul harvest if you're willing to zeah RC

[wary egret]

Yeah it’s not that I can’t do either it’s just that both pray and RC are far more important than thieving. I don’t think thieving really serves much compared to the other two

[true yarrow]

the big thing about thieving for me is afk clue farming

[wary egret]

Is there anything thieving is needed for that I’m overlooking?

[dull imp]

larcenist solves smithing and crafting in prif

but i think transmutation also solves smithing and crafting

[lapis flax]

if ytou arent taking tirn larcenist is whatever

[wary egret]

Smithing I got endless harvest and hotfoot. Crafting will be 99 in 2 days from butler

[dull imp]

My setup is KTM Endless harvest - Woodsman(do hunter til 50m xp) - Alacrity - Transmutation - Soul harvest - Culling - Conniving clues(reloaded) - Minion unless new thing is better

[lapis flax]

what do you take, minion or bottomless brew?

i really wanna take minion cause i think itll be fun but i feel like id have to take bottomless brew cause im bad 🤣

[dull imp]

bottomless brew?

[lapis flax]

infinite [potions

assumign thats the t8 relic

[dull imp]

wait did they announce the last relic?

[lapis flax]

noi

[dull imp]

oh

[lapis flax]

im just saying

[dull imp]

im waiting for announce lol

[lapis flax]

if thats what it is which would you take

[dull imp]

probably minion

im gunna afk a lot

and minion enables that

[lapis flax]

ye

winion

[dull imp]

and clue relic is easy zammy items for minion buff

[lapis flax]

ye

kand also really easy

zammy robes

and theres some other stuff

i forget

[dull imp]

my big thing is since i get to sit and do hunter at the start for a while, i can wait for the streamer sweats to see what different routes look like

probably wont even take my pact points other than the first mandatory node

[wary egret]

Can I give the minion magic cape and imbued magic cape as 2?

[dull imp]

probably

[lapis flax]

probably

jinx

[dull imp]

powered staves looks the most chill for the areas im gunna take

[wary egret]

Oh and zammy flame staff and Dagon hai which is 1/50 from larrens lol

Ez clap

[dull imp]

dont you have chaos druids?

that drop zammy shit?

err the ones near zombies

oh yeah u have top and bottom from them lol

[lapis flax]

chaos druid

too

oh inquisitor is zammy thats funny

might feed my minioion full inquisitor

[old tapir]

delicious oathplate

[dull imp]

full inquisitor might be good for thorns people who want to take thorns damage

but still have strength

[lapis flax]

imm abe using crystal blessing with crystal armour so i wont have a use for it other than feeding my minion

[old tapir]

thorns work regardless of how much you get hit by tho

even if its a 0

[lapis flax]

ig unless i wanna switch my build later in the league

which i might do

[dull imp]

no the other point

which whatever you get hit with reflects entirely

[lapis flax]

but if you use suffering and echo boots

you wanna get hit for those

[dull imp]

the I wanna get hit and outheal

[lapis flax]

since their dmg is also buffed

if you have all that it makes you reflect like 70 dmg when you take dmg

and like 30 dmg if you dont

damn for my areas its really just zamorak robes inquisitor and clue gear

[true yarrow]

pretty sure I'm doing kandarin tiranwyn, undecided on which raid region

[lapis flax]

so if i dont wanna farm clue rewards without clue relic then i might have to feed my minion inquisitor

🤣

ig i can prolly make an unholy necklace

[tacit oyster]

unholy necklace is kandarin i think

[lapis flax]

yeah i have kand

tirn kand mory

[tacit oyster]

or asgarnia from cerberus drop i guess

[wary egret]

Wildy has so many it’s insane lol

[lapis flax]

damn i might be reloading for clue relic 🤣 just so i dont have to farm nightmare for inquisitor

[dull imp]

thats what im doing

[tacit oyster]

i wonder if underground pass is kandarin or tirannwn

[lapis flax]

you can get 4 just from mage arena

[dull imp]

clues also have a ton of points

[lapis flax]

then theres the wildy ewapons

[dull imp]

so just bank em til you get reloaded

[lapis flax]

and dagon hai and elder druids

[dull imp]

then sit and burn through them all

[lapis flax]

so many options

[lapis flax]

actually all 5 from mage arena cause of the max hood?

[wary egret]

Mage cape, mage cape imbued, staff, monk robe bottom, monk robe top lol

[lapis flax]

thats 5 from mage arena right? or is the hood somethign else

[wary egret]

You need to be max for those lol

[lapis flax]

yeah i k

[wary egret]

Why wait till then

[lapis flax]

im not sayign thats the best thing

im just saying theres 5 in the mage arena alone

let alone the other like 10 options you have

lmao

and thats without clues

🤣

[wary egret]

Yeah I’m not touching clues with a 10 foot pole this league

I’ll hit t8 without them and couldn’t care less about dragon

[dull imp]

damn im actually considering swapping out T with A

sunlight crossbow moon bolts so good with elite void

[wary egret]

Tira gives me big fomo

[lapis flax]

i dont care about completion of league so i wasnt gonna take clue relic, but looking at my options for minion items i can get 3 from kand, then inquisitor, and thats about it. so if i dont wanna farm nightmare with a sub par minion i gotta do clues 🤣

[wary egret]

Such a balanced tribrid area

[dull imp]

yeah til you need to equip real ammo

[lapis flax]

honestly bowfa is still not bad option for ranged

[dull imp]

if only i could load the moonlight bolts directly into the crossbow

true

[lapis flax]

not the best with everythign there is in the league

but

[dull imp]

that actually changes my hybrid setup

[lapis flax]

in a tribrid setup

its definitely a solid choice

[true yarrow]

problem with asgarnia is awakened whisperer

[dull imp]

i cut blindbag on my first run, i think thats a I got 5 scythes lets respec meme

[lapis flax]

so true bestie

iu was actually planning asgarnia first, then i saw awakened whisperer as one of the pacts task and im like nah im good fam

she gave me trouble even in grtid master

🤣

[true yarrow]

I last stand cheesed her in grid master but that's not an option here

unless final relic is OP

[lapis flax]

not asgarnia first region but like at first i wanted to go asg

[wary egret]

You might be able to use castle wars robes lol

[lapis flax]

im really looking forward to the reveal, part of me thinks itll just be bottomless brew cause the gave us infinite food relic too

[lapis flax]

true they dont give you protection in god wars

but maybe it counts for minion

[lapis flax]

but i hope that its something no one thought of and is incredible

🤣

[dull imp]

only unnoter

its not bankers note

[lapis flax]

it shouldnt be specialised strikes because they kinda gave part of that with flask and also the rest of it in the pacts tree

[dull imp]

but itll unnote 😄

[lapis flax]

hmmm

i might actually take that

tbh

[dull imp]

if its that im taking that

easy rc solve

[lapis flax]

about as good as bankers note jsut cant note loot

[dull imp]

then i can go farming relic

i dont need to note, only unnote

would go crazy with transmuter as well

stack of runes to ess, unnote and spam left click at alters

[lapis flax]

i dont think we will get bankers note or even that since they were so specific about transmute giving noted ess and stuff, but maybe they were thinking, if they wanna give up a t8 relic to make it work then thats fine

i could see that actually

[dull imp]

just unnoter i could see

bankers note was like a pure must have

cuz you could abuse so much with it

[tacit oyster]

only thing we know about the t8 is that it will work in CG like the other t8 relics

[true yarrow]

I'm assuming it's combat related since the other two are

[lapis flax]

ye

[dull imp]

ah true

[tacit oyster]

most likely some new relic which we have not seen yet

[lapis flax]

thats why i dont think itll be bottomless brew

[dull imp]

insta kill boss on 30 minute cd

hour*

[lapis flax]

i wonder what it will augment though

[dull imp]

get another 10 pact points?

or 5?

[lapis flax]

cause minion is like dps, flask is survivability and burst

[dull imp]

that would be a sick final relic

[lapis flax]

oh man

[tacit oyster]

it could be executioners axe from previous leagues i guess

[dull imp]

or infinite respec pacts

[lapis flax]

5 or 10 bonus pact points

damn thats kinda tough

[dull imp]

give up a t8 for endless respecs

[lapis flax]

hmmm

[true yarrow]

I don't see them giving bonus pact points

[lapis flax]

yeah neither

would be too strong

[dull imp]

probably not, but its fun to speculate

[lapis flax]

endless respecs also seems a little weird

[true yarrow]

we can already do pretty strong tribrid builds as is

[dull imp]

its at t8 so its can be pretty crazy

[lapis flax]

like endless respecs seems weak

i could see like, a relic that empowers cpastones tho

like makes each of the capstones a little bit stronger

or something

[true yarrow]

they saved it for last so it's probably gonna be something pretty cool

[lapis flax]

like instead of cross bows max hit, crossbows hit 10% more than max hit always

etc etc

[dull imp]

do we have access to soul wars?

not sure how were gunna get imbues

[lapis flax]

nope

soul wars is misthalin

[dull imp]

i guess kandarin has nmz

nvm, i have imbues

[brazen zephyr]

can corrupted bofa proc ranged echoes? it says you create ranged echoes from regenerating ammo, but it has no ammo, and also doesnt have charges if its corrupted

[dull imp]

yes

[true yarrow]

NMZ was locked in past leagues wasn't it

[lapis flax]

bowfa will work with regen

[tacit oyster]

cannot enter but can buy points with gp

[lapis flax]

i think so but also, i feel like with soul wars unavailable you kinda need some way to imbue right? and kandarin doesnt have a whole lot of content so it could be something you get for picking it

oh

if you can buy points then ye

[dull imp]

ah ok nice

imbues, sick

[true yarrow]

hmm

ring of the gods imbue would be nice for air build but holy wrench requirement too

so only possible with kandarin+mory+wildy

suffering it is

[dull imp]

damn 25 dps with bowfa setup and the calculator doesnt have Repeat bow hit damage, prayer pen or style swap bonus. (Im looking at hybrid bowfa/shadow 1 item swap

idea is overheal with shadow/sanguine, then swap to bowfa for big hit

[brazen zephyr]

one last question then, can the crystal bow in CG proc "regenerate ammo" echoes for ranged for example?

i guess if corrupted bofa can they should too but its not evident

[tacit oyster]

no info about that specifically so not completely sure. it should unless its coded differently and they forgot

[brazen zephyr]

since crystal hally isnt in tirannwn im thinking of a separate build to make CG easier before respeccing to bluetooth hally when i get nox

[unique smelt]

Does anyone know if Dizanas quiver will provide ammo saving by default?

[dull imp]

thats just what i was doing lol

[unique smelt]

If you happen to get it before 100% save?

[dull imp]

it will

[unique smelt]

Beautiful

[outer aurora]

Can JMod confirm if Guthix Rest will count as food for Eternal Sustenance?
I tried doing ToA using On a Diet and it does not let you drink a Guthix Rest, saying it is food
However, it works in Emir's Arena as a potion

[dull imp]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=ZamoraksCandlestickBlamish

[brazen zephyr]

im going tirannwn first so im considering fire mage build first to make zulrah easier too, but i think without blood spells before grimoire fire build might just suicide you on zulrah

[dull imp]

powered staves cg rush honestly

then you get bowfa and just do zulrah normally with bow talents

[true yarrow]

yeah powered stave + prayer pen should make CG a breeze

[brazen zephyr]

5-1ing with a 1tick staff will be a bit annoying not gonna lie haha

[dull imp]

then once you get trident you zoomie that as well

prayer pen

[brazen zephyr]

how do you reach prayer pen from powered staves node that early? 😮

[dull imp]

let me look at task list real quick to see maximum easy pacts before cg

[inner zenith]

what is the strat time for leagues

[true yarrow]

3 days, 3 hours

from now

[inner zenith]

what time

or dont we know

so 1pm uk?

[lapis flax]

jsut clikck the bow every 5 ticks and itll auto stop you from attacking too much 🙂

[brazen zephyr]

whatever time jagex announces add about 5 hours to it

[inner zenith]

thats what ive been saying

Ive heard 9am up to 5pm

so fuck knows

[dull imp]

11 easy points

[inner zenith]

im goign 4pm, as thats when all the etasers have come out

[brazen zephyr]

yea i calculated about 12 points too, and theres no path to any prayer pen node with 12 points if you go powered staves

[dull imp]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=SummonerMagpieGreenmans

build 4

with 12 points add the water rune gen point

what im going to do is camp hunter rumours til 50m hunter and do all the tasks i can before first area unlock, then unlock all my areas and get my easiest demonic pacts firsts to make the later harder ones turbo easy

hunter rumours are gunna be about 2m xp per hour if not more

[lapis flax]

oh kandarin does have 5 zammy items, unholy symbol, zammy robes top and bot, you can get unholy book from lost property shop in catherby (tho idk if youll be able to actually claim it without fremmy) and zamorak halo from castle wars for 75 points (good luck getting people to do castle wars in leagues lmaooooo)

[dull imp]

make alt?

or use alt

1st zone unlock should be like an hour if you do an optimal route

[lapis flax]

you could just make an alt ig

honestly i might just reload into clue relic anyway

clues kinda fun especially when you can jsut blitz through them

[dull imp]

yeah and you can bank them up

for when you hit reloaded

[lapis flax]

no need item reqs and always min steps and max reward rolls makes them very nice

[dull imp]

wont need the zammy items til after clue reload anyway

[lapis flax]

exactly

like, i was only gonna reload into grimoire anyway but now that im chosing kandarin i get piety regardless and im melee buildign so

[dull imp]

im tempted to go clue one earlier

[lapis flax]

no need to reload into grim anymore

[plain merlin]

gonna be intresting to see 100.000 player train hunter for 5 hours staight from the start 😂

[dull imp]

and then reload to transmute so i can do all my clues in like 2 spots

[lapis flax]

🤣

woodsman gang

[dull imp]

its the best strat

[lapis flax]

good luck finding a chin spot

[dull imp]

easy 50m

[lapis flax]

jagex gonna need to make 100 leagues worlds

[plain merlin]

tirawnn first region 👀

[lapis flax]

im also doing that

[dull imp]

i might work on a route that goes hunter like right off the rip

[lapis flax]

lots of people will be

[dull imp]

like literally first thing is pickpocket to bird snare

[lapis flax]

im pretty sure even tirn wont be safe from the woodsman gang

[plain merlin]

kinda anoyed at the tier 6 reveal from last night ngl

was going to reload into it but now

tf am i gonna do

lmfao

[dull imp]

you dont need eternal sustenance

[plain merlin]

tier 6-7 this league feel like tier 3-4 last league power

[dull imp]

just go the overheal builds lol

[plain merlin]

if i pick kandarin with a mage build

no need for grim

[lapis flax]

for my buildthe only overheal relics ill have are the 2 10% melee ones but im 5 tick so its like every 15 seconds ill heal 14 on average so its like 1hp per second which is not great, but i do also get blood fury so ill prolly be fine

[dull imp]

powered staff no need for grim either

[lapis flax]

which is also why i dont think im going eternal sustenance anymore

i was gonna reload into that when it was revealed but then i realised blood fury will prolly be enough healing

[dull imp]

i just dont think eternal is worth the slot this league

[lapis flax]

not with the pacts ye

[dull imp]

culling is like the easiest slayer solve

[lapis flax]

even the bad healing pacts are pretty good

[dull imp]

and slayer has so many reqs

all of my regions are giga slayer, thermy, dark bow, nox hally

like 90 slayer+

[lapis flax]

ye

culling will be crucial for us

[dull imp]

I wish i could share this planner

[lapis flax]

also its just nice to be able to do all your grinds on task

outside of raids ofc

[tacit oyster]

Last leagues t7 are t6 this league

[plain merlin]

not really 😄 only grim

if that TIER 8 is going to be something special attack related like last time

that dagger might become insane

[lapis flax]

i really wanna know the task breakpoints for relics and area unlocks so i can know if i can take tirn first or if not taking kand first will be troll. cause i can get a lot done with woodssman and larcenist in tirn but if t4 isnt unlocked for more points than i can get then larc wont do anything for me and im prolly better taking kand first

[lapis flax]

i doubt it because we have that in the pacts also flask dips into spec too

p sure its gonna be something completely new

or pacts related in some way

[true yarrow]

dagger already is kinda insane if you're willing to sweat it out

instant hit spec works like gmaul so you can do some big weapon swap shenanigans

and with full energy regen build you can spam that

[dull imp]

i just had a thought

what happens if we only have combo runes on us?

does it regen the combo rune?

so we get to double dip a rune?

[lapis flax]

you only regen the runes that the spell requires to cast

[dull imp]

ah dman

damn*

that woulda been crazy

[dull imp]

wheres that from?

[lapis flax]

leagues discord

[dull imp]

i was looking for a dev pin

[lapis flax]

mod husky posting a lot of clarifications there

[dull imp]

wait theres a leagues specific discord?

[lapis flax]

yes

you can just google osrs leagues discord

and youll get to it

thats how i got to it

[dull imp]

damn

no wonder

[tacit oyster]

#affiliate-communities has link too

[lapis flax]

there you go

i was sure thered be something here but i didnt know

[dull imp]

ty ty ty

[lapis flax]

if you go read that entire channel a lot of your q's will prolly get answered

as far as game mechanics will go

ive seen this q come up a few times here

well

one time

🤣

[dull imp]

yup

[lapis flax]

also this one

[dull imp]

oh damn

Shadowflame Quadrant is NOT considered a powered staff and therefore will not work with the crystal blessing. Also see my clarifications above.

[lapis flax]

ye

it autocasts spellbooks

[dull imp]

now i know why some of my dps calc pages were all broke

[lapis flax]

powered staves have their own spell

[dull imp]

crystal blessing said any mage weapon though

[lapis flax]

no it didnt

specifically magic powered weapons

[dull imp]

ohhh but you get the base 6^

6%

[lapis flax]

yes

from the crystal armour

[dull imp]

so any nonpowered staff people going asgarnia for the void then

[lapis flax]

but since you get negative att bonus the magic attack is only like plus 2 or 12 total

wtv it is i forget

it counteracts the negative att bonus at the very least

[dull imp]

yea

[lapis flax]

ye

[dull imp]

i mean theres enough accuracy in the tree

i still have virtus technically with my regions if i really want to swap to quadrant build

[lapis flax]

its tirn for powered staves, kand for spellbook builds

[lapis flax]

everyone has virtus

from varla

[dull imp]

yea

thats what i meant

[lapis flax]

ye

[dull imp]

so i dont really need kandarin then

[lapis flax]

not if you wanna go powered

i mean lithic scepre is 1h

[fluid sail]

Maging vard will not be a fun time though

[lapis flax]

so the 15% magic dmg from devils element still good

wait

15% is the staff

[dull imp]

element is only 6

[lapis flax]

DE is only 6%

[dull imp]

yeah i was gunna saldor him lol

shit now i dont know what to go if not going KTM

I really dont wanna do asgarnia mainly cuz whisper

[lapis flax]

tbh whisper will prolly melt with mage build this league

[dull imp]

true

[lapis flax]

like i think if you are doing mage build you will be way stronger than we were in grid master for mage

[dull imp]

asgarnia also lets me go turbo sunlight hunter crossbow

[tacit oyster]

melee builds only ones that would struggle with whisperer

[dull imp]

i didnt do grid master

[lapis flax]

i did and i got my sh*t kicked in by awakened whispy

🤣

[dull imp]

hmm, khandarin asgarnia mory

[lapis flax]

was my last tile took me like 20 orbs or something

no im not proud of it

[dull imp]

thats probably the meta for mage build

no turbo sang staff though

[tacit oyster]

the main that would make whisperer harder is if flask does not clear insanity

[lapis flax]

cant see it clearing it

[dull imp]

what are people taking with tyran mory?

[lapis flax]

im taking kandarin but thats only because its an easy zone with lots of easy early points

[fluid sail]

Zeah for ancestral is something I'm considering

[lapis flax]

my build doesnt get anything other than peity from it

but yeah zeah would be good

for powered stave build

[tacit oyster]

last stand did not state it would clear it either but it did

[lapis flax]

tbh will you really have trouble with insanity with 1 tick powered staves?

[lapis flax]

did it clear it or did it just stop you from dying

i suppose flask does the same thing

you jsut have to time it right

whereas last stand was auto

[tacit oyster]

it put you back to full sanity when last stand effect ended

[lapis flax]

flask doesnt last as long as last stand did right?

i wodner if thatll make a difference there

[shadow badger]

I'm also picking Kandarin

Gives you chally before nox

[tacit oyster]

it will make big difference for most people in asgarnia if they can use flask to easily clear awakened whisperer

[shadow badger]

If you're going melee

[shadow badger]

It's only worth if sanity gets restored

[lapis flax]

he was saying hes gonna be a powered stave merchant

so likely will be working with toxic trident until lithic sceptre in mory

[shadow badger]

Then Tiranwnn and a raid region are all you need

And Kandarin for occult

[lapis flax]

yeah zelph was saying zeah for augury and ancestral

is occult better than ances and augury?

[shadow badger]

I think crystal would have higher max hits, no?

[lapis flax]

oh wait

yeah ofc hes usign crystal

im dumb

[tacit oyster]

crystal better for powered staves

[lapis flax]

prolly just kand still for DE and occult yeah

thats plus 16% mag dmg

[shadow badger]

Occult is best magic dmg% boost

[lapis flax]

gargelon sceptre is 1h so can use DE for mag dmg

[shadow badger]

Augury is 4% but boosts accuracy and defence

I wouldn't pick Zeah just for that

[lapis flax]

yeah i only said that because i forgot about the crystal

if it was occult vs ances plus augury then its the latter

but he not using ances so obv not zeah

[dull imp]

yeah i think i just stick with kandarin, pretty chill region and devils element really good offhand with sanguine staff

[lapis flax]

ez points region ez pact points region

[serene trellis]

I’m struggling to find that post jagex posted about item drops

But can someone tell me if it said misori dropped fortified or not?

[lapis flax]

not fortified

[shadow badger]

Unfortified

[lapis flax]

you need asg to get fort

[serene trellis]

God damn it

[tacit oyster]

All Soulreaper axe pieces will drop from every Desert Treasure 2 boss
Items that drop as components that require multiple regions to create a usable item will drop as the finished item
The Twisted bow, Scythe of vitur, and Tumeken's shadow are available from all three raids
Scythe of vitur can be charged with just Blood runes

except crystal tool seed, that one drops as unusable version

[lapis flax]

ye masori is not a component drop its a usable item

so you dont auto get fort from desert

[serene trellis]

Maaaaaan I really don’t wanna take asgarnia ᴖ̈

Honestly I’m not even 100% on What I even want to do there’s so much choice D:

[lapis flax]

think about what sort of pact build you want and take you regions based off of the best gear setup for that build

feel like thats the way to do it

[tacit oyster]

fortified masori is just extra defensive stats

[serene trellis]

I wanna play with the wildy weapon

[lapis flax]

unless your goal is like league completion then you dont care about pacts as much

[serene trellis]

But also have a mage switch

[dull imp]

the wildy weapon is your mage switch lol

[serene trellis]

So the goal was crossbows and water mage with wildy desert and kandarin

Oh it is isn’t it

So hypothetically

In toa on wardens I wouldn’t need to switch styles?

[dull imp]

no clue

but asgarnia gunna be bis for wildy weapon i think

[lapis flax]

i dont think you do

[serene trellis]

How come?

[lapis flax]

i dont think wardens actually pray its just a defensive stat indicator

iirc

maybe im wrong tho

[tacit oyster]

you could even take 30-60% prayer penetration to only use crossbow for all of toa

[lapis flax]

check the wiki

[serene trellis]

True

[lapis flax]

but yeah even in that case

pray pene fixes it

[serene trellis]

Would kandarin not be better than asgarnia because of jewellery

[lapis flax]

well you get conflictions from varala

so kand would just be anguish

[serene trellis]

Am I stupid or what does asgarnia give that’s so good for kbd c bow

[lapis flax]

and you can get a fury from karamja

it doesnt

unless you want to use void brid setup

you dont NEED to fortify your masori

its only more defense

[serene trellis]

True

[dull imp]

void

[serene trellis]

Defence is always nice if I want to try the inferno or coliseum though

[dull imp]

and you can do void + slayer helm

[serene trellis]

Is normal void even that good?

[lapis flax]

nvm im a gargelon

[dull imp]

void + slayer helm relic

[serene trellis]

Because I can’t get elite

[tacit oyster]

normal void is higher maxhit, way less accuracy than masori

[lapis flax]

if you are doing kbd cbow plus water spells youll heal through enough

take some overheal perks in the pacts tree

shouldnt really be an issue

[serene trellis]

Hmmm true

Watch me do a completely different build when the day comes lol

[lapis flax]

thats the beauty of leagues

[dull imp]

do the 50m hunter xp rush with me

can figure it out after the streamers sweat the combat engagment

[serene trellis]

Goal is to rush hunter tbh

Might be a good idea

Gunna put my first few points into cbow no matter what anyway

[lapis flax]

no plan survives contact with the enemy or wtv

[serene trellis]

For hunter crossbow

[dull imp]

yeah

im super torn on prif, cuz i really like the sunlight hunter 40 dps build

but that needs asgarnia void

[serene trellis]

I wish instead of giving us three resets they gave us like multiple trees we can switch between

Kinda like dual spec in wow

[lapis flax]

would be nice

[dull imp]

i think their reset thing is gunna bite them. One misclick and accept and you burn a reset

[lapis flax]

different presets

[serene trellis]

Yea I agree

I feel like people will screw up and quit

[dull imp]

or have choice paralysis cuz you only get 3 resets

[lapis flax]

hoenstly theres so much websites and resources for planning out your builds, as long as there is an accept button after clicking the pact node in game i think its ffine

[tacit oyster]

players want unlimited respecs but they hate when it is actually option since they are spending half the game in menus remaking tree. So they demand presets and at that point trees lose the point since players will premake 5-10 presets and just swap every content

[dull imp]

people planning out builds is not the norm. The normies are gunna rip a build from a streamer, misclick and scream

[lapis flax]

well thats why you only get like 2 or 3 presets

[serene trellis]

I think you should get three pre sets and then each pre set gets one reset each

[lapis flax]

ye prolly but like, the resources are there its not jagex's fault if people dont use them

[serene trellis]

Theoretically one for each style

[dull imp]

just make it like poe, possible to fix, but expensive

[lapis flax]

it would be nice if it was just a gold sink

[serene trellis]

Do it like wow

Each reset cost more and more

[tacit oyster]

$10 per reset, let jagex make money on players

[lapis flax]

oh hell nah

[serene trellis]

Don’t let this man work for jagex

[lapis flax]

not that im planning on restting but

[dull imp]

every 100 echo boss kills is a reset, each reset adds 30 boss kills to the reset required counter

[serene trellis]

Fingers crossed they do that next leagues

Pre sets I mean

[lapis flax]

i think if kill count required increases each reset it should start at like 50 not 100 but sure thatd be an option

[dull imp]

yeah i was just spitballing a number cuz 100 amox echos would be kinda ez

[wet loom]

Random question, is it possible to train hunter from level 1 without leaving Varlamore?

[tacit oyster]

there are lvl1 hunter birds

6 birds per world, gl

i think the only hunter training methods before lvl 43 are birds and butterflies

[unique smelt]

Have any of the leagues team commented on the wiki calc being correct?

The numbers on the KBcbow seem insane

[wet loom]

Where can you get a bird snare considering the hunter store in the guild requires 46 hunter to access it?

[true yarrow]

when do we get puro-puro access?

[tacit oyster]

husky said wiki dps calc is wrong in some parts and will try to talk with wiki devs about it on monday

[unique smelt]

Should be immediately

@true yarrow

[true yarrow]

can train from level 17 there

[unique smelt]

Everyone starts with Draynor staff and access to Zanaris

[cursive edge]

man the fact that it will take 5 ticks to stack up the lithic sceptre lol.. thats same speed as people will be attacking with their hallys

[tacit oyster]

puro-puro is possible on start just have to find crop circle can just use fairy ring

[main adder]

So something that could be interesting. You get wrath runes to use inside BA from the machine. Does regenerate create a “normal” wrath rune that can be taken out of BA? Or will it create a BA only rune?

[unique smelt]

No Damica, use any fairy ring to go to Zanaris, then use the perma portal

Just have to put up with slow pushthrough

[tacit oyster]

all runes should be deleted after wave ends

[wet loom]

Huh, so it's not possible to start hunter without leaving Varlamore...thats odd

[true yarrow]

it's possible just gonna be crowded

[wet loom]

where are you getting a bird snare from?

[tacit oyster]

general store will have bird snares and box traps, lvl1 birds are in varlamore

[wet loom]

ahh okay, Im just going off the normal wiki

[cursive edge]

that is interesting. If the BA wrath runes have a different ID, i could totally conceive of regeneration regenerating normal ID'ed ones, and then the removal process doesn't touch those

[wet loom]

perfect, that's what Im rushing first thing in the league lmao

[wet loom]

tyvm

[dull imp]

you might be able to pick grubs for hunter xp

[true yarrow]

more likely, if the BA wrath runes have a different ID they probably forgot to make them regen at all

[main adder]

Yeah that was my thought. I have no idea what the checks would be for deleting runes in BA

[dull imp]

since moons is auto completed

[tacit oyster]

if they have different id then you might be able to take normal runes out

[wet loom]

ooh this indeed looks very possible. 2.5 exp per grub, from level 1 increasing by .5 exp per level

[true yarrow]

karamja easy lamp doesn't have level requirement so can use that to kickstart hunter maybe

[tacit oyster]

abundance crub collector start

[cursive edge]

thats not true

[wet loom]

I also mathed very wrong

[cursive edge]

you might be looking at the lizards or something?

[main adder]

The wiki, for example, links the air runes on the machine portion of BA to an air rune variant that are untradeable. So looks like they are different IDs so maybe you can regen them?

[cursive edge]

with abundance the grubs could be decent however

give what 3xp at lvl 1, so 15xp

every tick or 2

[wet loom]

its .05x your hunter level x5 league bonus

you have to earn at least 1 exp at a time, right?

[lapis flax]

yeah but abundance gives bonus xp per instance of xp gain

and you do get SOME xp per grub

[cursive edge]

yeah tho maybe its not 3xp then

[lapis flax]

so it SHOULD activate the bonus xp from abundance

[cursive edge]

i thought minimum was 1 but its not

you literally get 0.05xp at lvl 1

so 10xp with abudance

[wet loom]

times 5 league bonus?

[lapis flax]

ye

[cursive edge]

crimson swift would give 180

no 10 is already x5

its 2x5

[lapis flax]

2 from abundance times 5

mmhmm

[wet loom]

I meant without abundance

[cursive edge]

so can you pick grubs 18x faster than catching 1 crimson swift

[lapis flax]

without abundance grubs are 4 grubs per 1 xp

kidna need abundance to do them

[wet loom]

its .25xp per grub with no relics. so you gotta loot 4 grubs to get 1 exp

[lapis flax]

thats what i said ye

[true yarrow]

man we're all way too used to having natural history quiz

[cursive edge]

i feel like getting my first powered staff is gonna be such a ballache

on my powered staff build lol

[lapis flax]

basically trident right?

cg into bowfa zulrah till toxic trident

if tirn first area

[true yarrow]

or thammarons if wildy

[lapis flax]

^

[cursive edge]

yeah it's the least shit option, but still shit

[tacit oyster]

moss lizards seem pretty good too, nerf on early lvls though with 90% of lvl cap (if not multiplied)

[cursive edge]

bowfa dps will be super mid

[lapis flax]

well

it will be normal

which is still not bad

[cursive edge]

for leagues it is

[lapis flax]

like 60-80s per zulrah kill

[wet loom]

what is a moss lizard...?

[lapis flax]

at t4 with 5x drop rate

[cursive edge]

im going wildy as well, but i think thats more of a ballache than the tirranwan first route

[tacit oyster]

food source at moons

[wet loom]

oh moons stuff

[lapis flax]

shouldnt take that long to get a trident

maybe like an hour of zulrah maybe 2 if unlucky

[cursive edge]

3h of normal game zulrah

not a big vibe

[true yarrow]

warped sceptre from kandarin should also work

[cursive edge]

but ofc doable

[lapis flax]

yeah but once you get it

[cursive edge]

its 1/512 no? so 1/128

[lapis flax]

you got a great powered stave

and you blitz everythign else

[cursive edge]

wait no 102

[lapis flax]

its 1/512 but you get 2 rolls

so its 1/256 perr kill normally

so itrs like 1 in 50

[cursive edge]

nah its

[lapis flax]

at t4 relic

[cursive edge]

1/1024 and you get 2 rolls

[tacit oyster]

2/1024, so 1/512

[lapis flax]

you are correct

[cursive edge]

yeh

[lapis flax]

idk why i thought that

[cursive edge]

so 102 kc on avg to hit staff

[lapis flax]

so yeah like 1 in 100

so yeah prolly more like 2-3 hours

[cursive edge]

2-3h realistically

and then bam youre doin 20 dps

[lapis flax]

just get lucky

jsut hit it in the first few kills

easy

[cursive edge]

good idea

[lapis flax]

🤣

[true yarrow]

warped sceptre is 2/320 from warped terrorbirds

should be pretty quick if we get the quests unlocked

[cursive edge]

btw i was looking into wind spells more and like, god damn most bosses have a weakness of some kind, so just camping air is too strong

[lapis flax]

ye

it seems like prayair build will be one of if not the strongest this league

[cursive edge]

its kinda frustrating how good air spells are. I am hoping that the 56% dmg multiplier from 8 prayers is additive with %magic dmg and %weakness

Currently wiki treats it as a separate multiplier

but if its additive then wind isnt quiiiite as good

well find out monday when husky helps em fix their dps formulas

[lapis flax]

mmm, well if it doesnt add it to the stat window its prolly multiplicative

but ye

[cursive edge]

weakness doesnt either

[lapis flax]

it really feels like it shouldnt be

[cursive edge]

but weakness and %magic dmg are additive

[lapis flax]

hmmm

okay maybe it is additive then

[cursive edge]

it kinda seems like

it should be, for balancing reasons

given they werent lazy about this

they intentionally tried to make things balanced, so it seems more likely than not

[lapis flax]

wtf is this pyramid scheme bait

🤣

[cursive edge]

that this is additive, making air still giga good but not oppressively good

[lapis flax]

true

i feel like they should increase the base blindbag chance by like 10%

would probably still be the lowerst dps build but would at least make it feel muych better

well i guess idk how it feels now cause i havent used it

but yeah

[wet loom]

Are we not able to go to Zanaris this league?

[cursive edge]

an example of the difference it would make:

With 36% magic dmg on tree, and just the 30% weakness from devils

Instead of 1.66 * 1.56 = 2.59x multiplier

Its 1 + 0.66 + 0.56 = 2.22x multiplier

so about 15% less DPS

[lapis flax]

you can go immediately

[lapis flax]

which would make it go from 50 to like 43-44

which is much closer to like kbd xbow and stuff

[tacit oyster]

weakness, prayer, gear % mage damage are all additive yes

[cursive edge]

If there was 50% weakness then it goes from:

2.16 * 1.56 = 3.37x

to

1 + 1.16 + 0.56 = 2.72x

Which is about 20% less DPS

[tacit oyster]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Maximum_magic_hit#Calculating_maximum_magic_hit

[lapis flax]

hes talkign about the 56% from 8 active prayers in the air pact tree

currently the wiki lists it as multiplicative

[tacit oyster]

ah that part i dont know

[cursive edge]

I'm just saying wiki assumes its a separate multiplier, but if it weren't then Air spells would be more in line with other builds

so I have a suspicion the wiki is wrong

and husky will fix it up on monday 🙂

and I can feel less bad about going powered staves which are like 20% less dps in so many places

[tacit oyster]

you would assume it is additive with other %mage damage buffs but only jmods know for sure. Wiki dps would get update on it monday/tuesday if it is wrong

[cursive edge]

yep

Maybe its hopium/copium but I really believe this is the case

It's the only thing that would make sense

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/awake-woke-elmo-i-has-awoken-wake-gif-16298489

[cursive edge]

Looks like fire wave is around 45 DPS vs a chicken, if youre maintaining 188hp

given the wiki assumption that the flat damage doesnt scale with %magic or %weaknesses

just the 1.4x from the shadowflame 2nd cast

so for wind wave to match that without dealing self damage, would be a giant oversight tbh

sorry, surge

in both cases

[unique smelt]

@cursive edge It's your fault, I'm going Wildy now

[tacit oyster]

wind surge does have the downside if having to run multiple prayers active with prayer gear

[unique smelt]

Even though I just finished 1800 spindel for my voidwaker on the iron

Curses upon you and your family.

Yes, but @tacit oyster the upside there is you have LOTS of items to hunt to improve the build!

[cursive edge]

haha what did i say?

[unique smelt]

The KBC calcs

[cursive edge]

ahh

bahah

yeah its busted

[tacit oyster]

you could also just run rune crossbow for almost same dps

[cursive edge]

they drain almost nothing though

[unique smelt]

A big thing in leagues previously was you quite often based on regions only had a couple things that helped your build

[cursive edge]

and you generate a shit ton of prayer each cast

[unique smelt]

No, Rune crossbow can't heal you to 188 or get a boost of ~20% from the water tree

[cursive edge]

ok so BiS fire surge gear does have a decent bit more accuracy, so vs some bosses it is clearly a fair bit better

but were talking like 5 dps

but all of that is eaten up by having to weave in more water surges

to keep hp at 160+

[unique smelt]

@cursive edge It was the extra accuracy nodes that you took that made the difference vs when I was calcing it, that last +65% accuracy you went down in mage tree to grab makes things like ranging vard or Yama really feasible

[cursive edge]

the boost should be more like 12.5%, since it doesnt apply to echo damage

[tacit oyster]

yeah about 10% dps increase from having king's barrage with dragon bolts over rune crossbow with runite bolts, maybe 15% with the extra range str from overheal

[lapis flax]

i wonder if thorns damages olm hands when you get hit by his head attacks.

[cursive edge]

yeah, im addicted to those accuracy nodes on like every build i try to make

especially if youre not going hybrid of any sort

sometimes that accuracy is a total gamechanger

[wet loom]

I see so many people are taking Endless Harvest over Barbarian Gathering and I'm just really confused why. Having crystal tools from level 1 as well as a 140 slot inventory seems so busted.

[cursive edge]

particularly for magic with confliction gauntlets

cause of how confliction math works

[unique smelt]

People have lives @wet loom

[cursive edge]

Abundance gang rise up

[lapis flax]

abundance gang

[cursive edge]

gangggg

[unique smelt]

They have jobs and shit, want to be able to click once every 25 minutes while they're at work

[cursive edge]

butler gang rise up

[tacit oyster]

endless harvest better xp/h low levels and also better xp late game if you dont have things like redwood, amethyst, anglerfish

[cursive edge]

i was gonna go harvest for work afk, but then i realised like, why should i really care about wc/mining/fishing?

[wet loom]

This is fair, I'm blessed to have the type of job where I can usually scape and work, I just cant like...raid lol

[unique smelt]

I'm on holidays starting monday

[outer aurora]

Do we know if Blind Bag can proc range echoes if the item is 2h?

Like, if I get a blind bag proc with halberd, can that halberd proc echoe?

[lapis flax]

yes

[outer aurora]

Was that confirmed somewhere?

[lapis flax]

in the node description

[tacit oyster]

Blindbag is triggered once PER ATTACK, not per hitsplat. So scythe can trigger it once only
When a blindbag attack occurs it works as if you swung it yourself, so set effects like dharoks will work and the scythe will hit 3 times against large targets.
Blindbag will not cause you to run up and attack if you have this with a halberd. It will work just fine from 7 tiles away
Blindbag looks for items with the same object ID. So having 4 dharok axes at different degrade levels or 6 different scythe variants (charged/uncharged/ornamented) will count. Good luck getting 6 megarare scrolls and 4 ornament kits though.
Two handed weapons which trigger ranged echoes can do so with just that demonic pact, but they will not get the "never miss", "20% chance to max hit" or "+15% chance to trigger the echo" unless you have those ranged nodes unlocked.
Two handed melee ranged echoes can be cyclical from the node further down in ranged but will not gain any benefit from the two nodes which both say they give a +5% chance to fire an echo as both of those state regenerate
Ranged echoes triggered by a melee weapon roll off melee defence
You can melee flying targets with the melee range build

blindbag attacks behave as if you hit with the weapon yourself

[lapis flax]

^

[tacit oyster]

so it can activate echoes

[wet loom]

with Flow State and superheat ore, any bank becomes the best furnace spot, right?

[lapis flax]

probably

[tacit oyster]

superheat was already faster than normal furnaces at 3tick vs 4tick

now it is just 2tick vs 4tick

[languid mauve]

U could just get hotfoot

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-gif-10455738442136230044

[lapis flax]

2t v 2t

since flow state gives smithing 2t aswell

[tacit oyster]

oh yeah both will be 2 tick, so it is just saving running to furnace at cost of more clicks

[lapis flax]

ye

which i guess the answer is the same with and without the relic then

if you have transmute you get infinite natures

wait

nature prolly regen right?