leagues-general

[dull imp]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Raging_Echoes_League/Relics

[fickle pine]

I think I have all my combat perks in order

[dull imp]

last leagues relic point count ^

t5 probably easy without unlocking any new regions

t6 might be a stretch

or /boring

[small flower]

well, 4 and 5 feel like they'll very easily push through to next almost by themselves

or at least for me

transmutation-larceny with mory/tirr

should push pretty heavily by itself

[dull imp]

yeah t5 for sure, the point scaling for t6 without unlocking a new region might be tough

[small flower]

ye

[dull imp]

im going for max points without any region unlocks so if some crack method comes out i can take advantage

[small flower]

ah

[dull imp]

dont need to race anyone to dragon cup, just want easy chill points

[small flower]

the rumours rush before region unlock does make a lot of sense

but idk if i'll do more than that

[dull imp]

i did same last leagues and didnt unlock til way later than most

this season rumors rush is pretty much all ill need

vs last season region being a ton of tiny point tasks

[fickle pine]

I am region rushing personally, so I can get as many combat perks as possible

[small flower]

i'ma probably not worry about combat till T4 anyway

just so i'm not grinding something without max drop rate

[dull imp]

damn kandarin tasks for pacts are so easy

like holy

damn same for tiran

[small flower]

tough ones are mostly just the regions with DT2 bosses in 'em

[fickle pine]

asgarnia as well

[small flower]

those'll have to wait

[dull imp]

kanda mory and tiranwyn are all super chill

holy

[small flower]

oh right, there's a shortcut right at the barrows fence

that works

[dull imp]

yea

[small flower]

yea, definitely going alacrity XD

[dull imp]

like this is giga easy

kanda def my second unlock

opens up dharoks bomb blindbag, powered staves, elemental setup. The only thing thats kinda weak is no door thorns build

[small flower]

oh, didn't think about that

think dh bonus will affect the bags/echoes?

[dull imp]

100%

and you can have multiple dharoks axes

[fickle pine]

the combat "this" boss; combat tasks, with some of the builds I seen people plan, will not be hard to obtain

[dull imp]

since they have 100/75/50/25

prif solve is powered staves with pray pierce and that whole region is just done, when you go mory, as final region you get the powered staff from gargoyles that gets buffed by your crystal armor

[small flower]

eh

[dull imp]

damn thats a chill setup

[small flower]

gotta get 5 different dh axes tho

farming barrows has not been fun in past leagues

giant pain

[dull imp]

just do 1 brother

[fickle pine]

the prair mage build has been my favourite build to theorycraft so far

[dull imp]

1 brother is like 30 seconds

[small flower]

and has 6x worse drop rates

[dull imp]

that requires asgarnia though right?

[small flower]

tried that before too

genuinely not worth it

[fickle pine]

just kandarin > for thermy

[small flower]

yea, basically just kandarin

and the rest is whatever you want

[dull imp]

prayer mage? dont you need max pray bonus?

[small flower]

eh, like 45+ is good enough

[dull imp]

which requires asgarnia or something to max out?

ah ok

i mean some clue items can get you there pretty easy lol

[small flower]

ye

get a stole

and the sunfire armor, throw on a mage chest

(or legs idk)

it works out

[fickle pine]

early game build, only 1/3-2/3 of the time proc, still not bad at all.

[small flower]

yea, 30% chance to maxhit is pretty huge even then

especially with the 40%+ damage bonus from using prayers and the effectively infinite prayer you get

is gud

[dull imp]

would probably 1 shot the brothers lol

[fickle pine]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=BlurberryMaisasChemicals

[dull imp]

i think with kandarin you have to go culling spree for slayer

[fickle pine]

the way i see it working is if you air spell autocast > water spell manualcast > air spell autocast > water spell manualcast > and so on

[small flower]

certainly won't hurt

yea, this is where i'm goin with it

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=StretchedCactusSlices

i really dont wanna bother with CoX, so tirr made sense with the mage boosts

[fickle pine]

That is a great line, why did you choose to add smoke?

[dull imp]

since you arent doing anything melee, why not do this? https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=RichVolenciaMarionette

gets you more value

[small flower]

since wildy scepter gets a bonus with it

made sense, and it should hit like a truck while i'm doing wildy stuff

[fickle pine]

honestly it was so I could train melee skills faster later in the game

[dull imp]

ah, we have crab though

[small flower]

keep forgetting about that thing

but yea

[fickle pine]

yeah, there and faster

I want to train on blood moon personally

[dull imp]

smoke also has poison, so poison + air on every hit lol

[fickle pine]

500 hp + you get drained so more xp + negative flat armour? works perfect with that one 1kg perk

[dull imp]

im surprised i havent seen fire damage blood spell setups since you heal off that and add burning to things

[small flower]

i played around with it some but it felt underwhelming

and the overheal values actually count for the 6% life turned into damage

[wary egret]

Thammarons should still be a great mid tier staff outside of wildy right?

[small flower]

so just manually alternating fire/water seems like the way to go

[dull imp]

ah gotcha

[small flower]

yea, it's a solid staff in general

[dull imp]

crazy how much mage stonks are up this season

[fickle pine]

if you go down the fire mage path, Morytania is my preference, for the Sanguine power staff

pairs well with dogger

[wary egret]

I’m trying to decide between kandarin or wildy first. Feels like wildy to train slayer until kraken

And 1 tick trident/thammaron until shadowflame

[small flower]

yea

[fickle pine]

tentacle whip is under 1kg, so its fast af

[dull imp]

oh shit i forgot about sanguine

[small flower]

also true, whip/thorn setup early on would probably be incredibly good

[dull imp]

thats gunna slap with crystal

til you get shadow

[small flower]

grab obby armor/shield, even an obby weap until 85 slayer

[fickle pine]

make the berserker build then, the obby knife pairs well with the 1kg perks

[dull imp]

with KTM theres only like 3 demonic pacts that wont be quick

awakened vard, league only challenge and infernal cape(only cuz ive never done inferno)

[lapis flax]

sunfire head body pants, stole+godblessing, ardy cape 4, echo thermy main/off hand, echo boots and confliction gauntlets is 50 pray bonus

[dull imp]

opening melee might make sense early

[lapis flax]

just need kandarin for 50 pray bonus for 100% chance to max hit

[dull imp]

ah nice

[lapis flax]

do need to do clues for a stole and blessing

[tough finch]

ive decided to open with blindbag into 50% spec and then roll into mage as planned. I'm planning on going into blue moon set early and the 50% accuracy buff is probably going to go hard.

[lapis flax]

but if you have zeah you can get radas blessing

and if you have zeah or fremmy you can get dragonbone necklace

instead of stole

[tough finch]

hydra drops bonecrusher

[lapis flax]

ye

which is same pray bonus as dragonbone

[dull imp]

so smoke barrage is a +3 base max hit and you can take the fire regen node for another +4 base max hit

forced to go grimoire if you dont go desert but you probably want that anyway for max amount of prayers, idk

[lapis flax]

oh im steel now ignore the ring that doesnt give any pray bonus but this is 50 with only kandarin and varlamore

[cursive edge]

Sang beats shadow basically everywhere

[short sphinx]

I feel like once you get the echo amox weapons blind bag is just better right?

[dull imp]

with full crystal?

[small flower]

i'm hoping

cuz that's what i'm doing XD

[short sphinx]

Me and you both

[cursive edge]

Accuracy suffers pretty hard. IMO you want Kandarin + Kourend + Wildy so you can run Virtus top and still hit 50

[lapis flax]

shadow is 2 tick with the ndoe, sang is 1 tick so its basically shadow has to on average hit 2 times higher than sang for it to be better

[cursive edge]

Yeah

[small flower]

i'm waffling on asgarnia again tho lol

[short sphinx]

Lets do it

[cursive edge]

It doesn’t hit 2x higher, but it has more accuracy so it can win vs like.. Sol Heredit

[lapis flax]

for sure, but im just saying its possible to get to 50 with only kandarin which youd want anyway for air build for the thermy drops

[lapis flax]

true accuracy is a thing

[dull imp]

isnt shadow with crystal blessing +18% mage bonus?

[small flower]

yea

[dull imp]

oh but with kanda you get like +15 on the offhand i think

oh no, offhand is only +6

[short sphinx]

I’m rushing amox hopefully I can kill echo with out blood moon

[cursive edge]

Oh also a big thing is with sang you can run thorns

Shadow you can’t

[dull imp]

true

i mean you can use anything if you go powered staff route

[tough finch]

p sure you can get 50 only kandarin

[dull imp]

just swap to what you need

[cursive edge]

I’m doing powered staff + dogger hybrid, TAM. 1 way switches lmfao, maybe 2 way if I feel like switching gloves too

[brisk mauve]

Lol i'm finding it funny how people are like the dps is kinda low, when BiS gear in the main game is like 6 dps

[dull imp]

crystal powered staff blind bag will probably go hard

[short sphinx]

Oyus

[dull imp]

how do powered staff charges work with the rune thing?

[short sphinx]

Bluetooth hali blind bag with 1 tick power staff

[small flower]

if you have the perk that makes a powered staff regen 1 rune

[cursive edge]

Dagger synergizes better since you can run thorns with both dagger and powered staff

[small flower]

it counts for the base effects (heal 1 hp per rune, deal 1 extra damage per rune, prayer/def)

[cursive edge]

Also dagger just does way more dps

[small flower]

and if you have over 100% regen, the extra chance can push it to 2

[dull imp]

yes but i dont want asgarnia

[small flower]

but that's it

[dull imp]

im pretty set on ktm

[short sphinx]

But daggers are gross Halis where it’s at 👀

[cursive edge]

Dogger dagger is goated wtf

Bam bam bam fire fire

Speed

Dopamine

[dull imp]

snooze

asgarnia bleh

if dogger dagger was not in asgarnia then maybe

[short sphinx]

I’m glad you like daggers sir. I’ll stick with my cool spider hali that procs scythes

[cursive edge]

And your 25 dps 🙊

Heheh

[lapis flax]

well everybody has varlamore so this IS only kandarin

[short sphinx]

If I cared about dps I wouldn’t go melee

[cursive edge]

Dogger pumps out 40 tho

[tough finch]

oops my bad

[cursive edge]

Including thorns

[tough finch]

dogger is going to be underrated imo

im not going asgarnia though

[mint stone]

We will get completed echo boots from coloseum?

[small flower]

yes

[lapis flax]

any item that drops from a boss that requires another area to complete said item will drop the completed item instead of the partial

you get confliction from doom, echo from colleseum, eternal boots from cerb etc etc

[dull imp]

its not the dogger thats the issue, its the region lol

[cursive edge]

What’s bad about it in your opinion?

I like the bosses there

[dull imp]

i dont like the bosses there

thats really it

and motherload mine is kinda snooze when we have mining solved for us already

[lapis flax]

im not taking asg cause whisperer is there and i suck ass and have ptsd from grid master awakened whisperer 🤣

[lapis flax]

this is probably only an issue against enemies that are strong against mage

[cursive edge]

Yeah. It’s an issue if doing pure powered staff build

Which I was considering

[lapis flax]

its still 50 dps against p3 verzik (just what i have the mob set to on the dps calc

[cursive edge]

TMW

[lapis flax]

well no

cause this is specifically air spells build

50 prayer for air spells

which is not powered staff

[cursive edge]

Oh whoops

Thought you were talkin about shadow stuff

[lapis flax]

nonono

that image was for the prayair build

[cursive edge]

But still, an air build

Is pure magic no?

[lapis flax]

with kandarin echo items

[cursive edge]

No offstyle

[lapis flax]

well

the one i built

has the reacharound sunlight hunter crossbow

and uses the when you max hit deal 25% on next style

[cursive edge]

Sol, amoxliatl, vardorvis all resistant to magic

[lapis flax]

but the problem with the build is that you have to do a 6 way switch every 3 ticks to use thatt node properly

[cursive edge]

Hmm

[lapis flax]

LOL

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=ZilyanaSurgeStaples

[cursive edge]

Bahah yeah

[lapis flax]

here

its pretty cool idea tho i think

[cursive edge]

It kinda seems like

You just lose dps tho

[lapis flax]

but i think you are better off doing something other than the 3 tick cross bow

yes

[cursive edge]

Cause of how much stronger air spells are

[lapis flax]

that was my thought aswell

[cursive edge]

Maybe with kbd cbow

[old tapir]

my mind is telling me to go kandarin water mage

but my heart wants to desert with bows

[lapis flax]

and if you use a slower crossbow then you lose dps cause you gotta wait 7 ticks to use your air spell

[cursive edge]

Not necessarily

[lapis flax]

wel;ll

[cursive edge]

Pure kbd cbow build does like 43 dps

[lapis flax]

if the kbd xbow can also be 50 dps or close

then itd be fine

yeah

[cursive edge]

Doesn’t has to be quite 50

[lapis flax]

it would probably be fine with that

[cursive edge]

Cause you’re getting the 25%

[lapis flax]

ye

ofc

[thin nebula]

this is just few teaser tasks not all of them right?
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Update:Demonic_Pacts_-_Overview

[lapis flax]

it brings air spells to 60

so

as long as the xbow is 40+

its fine

[cursive edge]

Like 50x1.25 + 40x1.25 =112.5

[lapis flax]

mmhmm

well actually you right 40 dps xbow gets the 25% aswell

so it can even be lower

by a little

[cursive edge]

But if it’s too low then

Not worth the hassle

[lapis flax]

i think the sunlight xbow is just too bad

ye

exactly

[cursive edge]

But yeah vs some bosses 1 style will be a lot better

[lapis flax]

that build is kandarin assgarnia desert

[cursive edge]

So nice to have 2 good styles

[lapis flax]

but you can prolly go wildy instead of asg

[cursive edge]

Yeah don’t need desert

[lapis flax]

well

desert for the masori

but

[cursive edge]

Void in asg already

[lapis flax]

you can just wear sunfire armour

while xbowing

ig

true ig

[cursive edge]

Kandarin Asgarnia Wildy would be ideal, though no raid

Tbh zcb isn’t bad either

[lapis flax]

cant get fortified masori without both asg and desert too

[cursive edge]

Kandarin Asgarnia Kourend?

[lapis flax]

but yeah

[cursive edge]

Kourend benefits both quite a bit

[lapis flax]

that might be better

[toxic vortex]

wonder what kind of dps I can get mage camping zulrah

[cursive edge]

Rigour, bone crusher neck, radas blessing 2, devout boots, twisted buckler

[lapis flax]

i think with mage you kill zulrah before she dips 1 time

🤣

[lapis flax]

exactly

[edgy knoll]

Message me if you holding

[cursive edge]

Prob don’t have points for water spell stuff anyway to make kcb shine

[lapis flax]

well i dipped into thrown a bit for chinning

but you can just respec once you finish 99 range

[cursive edge]

Ok true yeah just saw your tree

[lapis flax]

so theres spare points

[cursive edge]

So kcb unlocks big healing

[edgy knoll]

Message me if you holding

[dull imp]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=SpottierMortarResearch

this is what im thinking for sudo tribrid setup. Powered staff blindbag with ranged echo hits

[lapis flax]

ig you could do something like this?

[lapis flax]

you kinda want all 3 of the ranged nodes for blindbag

[cursive edge]

You’d take the 70% dmg node

[lapis flax]

OH RIGHT

[dull imp]

ah, let me cut 10% rune regen

[cursive edge]

Save 2 pts

[lapis flax]

IM AN IDIOT

[toxic vortex]

dps calc seems to not be working right

[lapis flax]

somethign like this then

maybe moire accuracy or prayer pen instead of the 1% range dmg

[cursive edge]

Well you don’t spend water runes

[wary egret]

When would you run air spells?

[cursive edge]

I’d take that 5% accuracy per 1 tile node for sure

You freeze too

So you can take advantage of it

Vs bosses that can be frozen

[lapis flax]

this build switches between xbow and air surge

for the 25% higher dmg when you max hit

because it has guaranteed max hit on both crossbow and air spells

[cursive edge]

Prob grab 5% chance for max accuracy per per 1 tile thing, and 15% accuracy in mage tree with those 2 spare points

[lapis flax]

yeyeye

[cursive edge]

Could make xbow accurate enough without any range gear

So simple 1 or 2 way switching?

[lapis flax]

this is 40

[lapis flax]

true

[cursive edge]

The water regen node is a waste

[lapis flax]

mage would be the issue accuracy wise you also get the double acc rolls on xbow

[lapis flax]

yes

idk why i included it

[edgy knoll]

Message me if you holding

[lapis flax]

swapped for 15% acc as you say

i misunderstood

[cursive edge]

Can consider smoke barrage mode

Node*

[lapis flax]

welll

[cursive edge]

But you also need the fire regen node to make it compete with air surge

[lapis flax]

idk if you care about that since you use kandarin echo stuff

for air

wait does smoke barrage use air runes?

[cursive edge]

In theory it’s same dps as wind surge, cause it has a 37.5% higher max hit

With 150% regen tho

[lapis flax]

yes it does

only 4 so less pray regen chance

[cursive edge]

27 base + 6 max hit avg from fire

[lapis flax]

but still

[cursive edge]

Tbh I think this could be 1 of the strongest builds in terms of raw power

Downside is simply

The activeness of playing it

But like average of possibly 55 dps? With 5 healing/sec ish

And 2 styles

[lapis flax]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=JewellerGoutweedyTimber

zaryte xbow placeholder cause it doesnt look like they have the kbd xbow?

[cursive edge]

Tbf actually the kcb hits 43 dps when fulllly specced into it

Like 188 max hp

[lapis flax]

ye

[cursive edge]

So you may be more like 35

[lapis flax]

well

thats still plus 17 dps form switching styles

[cursive edge]

They do now! Maybe refresh

[lapis flax]

which would average 51 between the styles

[lapis flax]

oh i have had the tab open for a while

ty

[cursive edge]

50x1.25 + 35x1.25 =106.25

[old tapir]

you alternating air and water spells?

[cursive edge]

35 might be an underestimate tho

If you’re switching into void

[lapis flax]

air and crossbow

[cursive edge]

And anguish

[wary egret]

How do brimstone keys work? You get them only from Konar? How about Larrens? Is it possible to get both keys for wildy slayer?

[lapis flax]

what did we say the regions were? zeah kand asg?

[cursive edge]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=TarrominFeatherDashing

[lapis flax]

hmm just barely not 35

[cursive edge]

Hmm it was Kand Asg Wildy, though

[lapis flax]

idk still seems kidna good no?

[cursive edge]

Don’t need Asg right?

[lapis flax]

oh wildy

kand zeah wildy

was it

[languid lintel]

torn between going mage or ranged, previously always went melee but in grid went range

[dull imp]

How does overheal cap work?

[languid lintel]

but want to try mage

[lapis flax]

for bonecrusher andrigour augury

[lapis flax]

no elite void?

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=MamuletDividedThick

slightly higher, can fit a virtus helm and still over 50 prayer

top puts you at 49

idk if i can find +1 pray bonus

[cursive edge]

how are the air spells even reaching 51 dps with 84% accuracy lol wtf

[cursive edge]

dont think you get that without tirranwn?

[lapis flax]

am i dumb? its been so long since ive done elite void idk how you get it

lmao

i thought it was just more points

[cursive edge]

wiki says asg + kand + tirranwn

to unlock

[lapis flax]

does it need western provinces

makes sense

[lapis flax]

idk but mine says 53.2

thats against verzik tho and we dont do mory

lemme look at olm or some shit

[cursive edge]

ahh right, +50% weakness

so vs things with no weakness, the dps balacnes out

making it more competitive

[lapis flax]

well

you get 30% weakness at least

[cursive edge]

yeah

[lapis flax]

against everythign

[cursive edge]

but this is 80%

[lapis flax]

but ye verzik and olm both have 50%

so 80%

[cursive edge]

i suppose water weakness stuff

the kcb should get a buff too

tho not quite as large

[lapis flax]

57.5 vs olm mage hand lmaooo

melee hand is pure ass on both styles

thats the one thing im not super happy about zeah

but ig

if you party with people

they just take care of the melee hand for you

[cursive edge]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=AvasWheelTasset

so here's kandarin, kourend, wildy, vs a chicken

38 * 1.25 + 51 * 1.25 = 111.25

[lapis flax]

pretty nice

so like 55.5

[cursive edge]

so 11% more dmg, and free healing/freezing

[lapis flax]

overall

against 100% accuracy

[cursive edge]

but for every boss the numbers will change

some where its resistant to magic and not range

and others where its the opposite

[lapis flax]

if you drop to like 85% accuracy on most things its like maybe 47dps?

[cursive edge]

and weaknesses also influence it

[lapis flax]

for a conservative estimate

maybe like 45

pretty damn good

[cursive edge]

yeah,t ho also

culling spree is active now cause chicken

[lapis flax]

oh thats not with void thats with heuy hide

[cursive edge]

can be a slayer task

[lapis flax]

ic

[cursive edge]

yeah no asgarnia

[lapis flax]

right

[cursive edge]

Kandarin Kourend Wildy

[lapis flax]

ye

[cursive edge]

rigour prob already beats void

[lapis flax]

wait

you have devout

thats +1 over echo boots right

although

do we even get virtus?

in those regions

wait ye

cause varla

whatshisface

[cursive edge]

weird, why does the kbow dps drop so much if i put olm head in?

loses culling spree sure, but it drops way more than 15%

[lapis flax]

dunno

[cursive edge]

accuracy still like 99.5%

does olm have some dmg cap or something

[woeful osprey]

team endless harvest gang wya

[cursive edge]

this is a 7 way switch setup tho lel

prob dont bother switching helm/gloves

but still 5 way

you gotta really not mind the idea

of 5 way switching every 4.5 ticks on avg

i mean camping air spells is still an option, still basically a max dps air spell build

[lapis flax]

well

its a 6 way going to mage from the 7t xb

because of the shield

[cursive edge]

true

[lapis flax]

kings barrage 2h

so

with quiver

[woeful osprey]

are there any combat buffs this season in leagues I didn't see any for some reason on relics

[lapis flax]

if you put the arrows in the second slot

[cursive edge]

it should work fine i think

[lapis flax]

do you have to put them back on when you take of the quiver

[cursive edge]

i dont believe so

[lapis flax]

demonic pacts

[woeful osprey]

ohh ok thats seperate from relics gotcha

[lapis flax]

yes

[woeful osprey]

oki ty gonna map this out more

[lapis flax]

theres 7 specific tasks in each region that give you 1 point and then karamja plus varla give a total of 19 for 40 total no matter your regions

[lapis flax]

okay so thats 1 less than i was thinking lmao

[cursive edge]

ok so like if i put in something not super tanky to range, like large muttadile

siwtching to huey gear does almost 0 to dps

[lapis flax]

tbh

[cursive edge]

so i think if i played this build, I'd camp mage most places, and do the 3/4 way range switch only where the boss wasnt tanky to range

[lapis flax]

if you just switch necklace cape weapon and top

[cursive edge]

or if i just need healing

and can accept a dps loss

[lapis flax]

and use sunfire hat and pants for ranged

its nto that bad of a switch

[cursive edge]

but dont spam switch every time

just when i need healing

[lapis flax]

true

[cursive edge]

its only worth switching when you either need healing, or you gain DPS

[lapis flax]

mthe mage is most of the dps by itself

[cursive edge]

you can afford a DPS loss for healing too, like most air builds will do the same in that

they manual cast a water surge

[lapis flax]

ye

[cursive edge]

to heal up

[lapis flax]

exactly

well with this one ideally we are healing with the crossbow

every 2 attacks

but

[cursive edge]

ya itll heal a good amount

[lapis flax]

thats like once every 6.6 seconds

or 6 seconds

cause the mage is 3 tick

so 10 ticks per cycle

[cursive edge]

if you desperately need it you can just do 2 cbows in a row

[lapis flax]

true

and i mean

[cursive edge]

but like 100 dmg, so around 33 healing ish

[lapis flax]

with a max hit of 300

you heal a lot

with each hit

[cursive edge]

most htis around 100, so expect something like 33 healing

well no, bit less

echo hits dont heal

but like 23+ id say

[lapis flax]

ye

its a lot

but

you will prolly need to do some extra

[cursive edge]

worst case you can even throw out a water surge too lel

[lapis flax]

here and there

ye

i mean you have all the ruines

with the staff

so its not the end of the world

yama is a camp mage boss for this lmao

less than 20 dps on the xb

[cursive edge]

i have a feeling this build is 1 of the ones jagex fully intended

[lapis flax]

it feels like the echo items are too perfect with the pacts for it to be coincidental

especially given that there is the style switching pact

dude tho

54 dps on yama

[cursive edge]

hmmm hold on a second

[lapis flax]

with the air surge

lmao

[cursive edge]

fire surge instead of air

wait nvm no no

no guaranteed max hit

forget that

[lapis flax]

nah we need air for guaranteed max hits

ye

[cursive edge]

fire has more dps and the kcb healing offsets fire self burn, but yeah

no guaranteed max makes it lame

[lapis flax]

honestly

30 dps on both sides

against corp

with no defense reduction

[cursive edge]

oh true, kcb has corpbane

[lapis flax]

although

[cursive edge]

and mage always does full dmg

[lapis flax]

idk if you can hit it with the airspells

[cursive edge]

accursed spec helps

[lapis flax]

plus 25% would be like 37-38 dps on corp

thats not bad at all

air spells will have trouble hitting too

which means you wont always need to switch

lmao

somehow that feels liek a benefit

[cursive edge]

ya thats super high dps for corp

you'd def drop an accursed spec too

[lapis flax]

ye

brings it up to 31.8/34.8

this build could be pretty fun, just very active

[cursive edge]

till 28.5 dps with literally just

swapping weapons

no cape/amulet switch

still*

does seem fun and strong, just wonder if it'd get tiresome lol

[lapis flax]

well

[cursive edge]

depends on the player

[lapis flax]

youd swap at least the quiver right?

[cursive edge]

oh right youd have to

for ammo

[lapis flax]

but yeah if you just use bonecrush and virt tpo no huey and anguish

still 29.5

thats really not bad at all

[cursive edge]

yeh, id be doing bare minimum switches

[lapis flax]

cape weapon offhand switch

thats like some budget void zulrah in the main game

🤣

really not bad at all

[cursive edge]

ohh right hold on, wildy gets ring of the gods too

[lapis flax]

oh

more pray than suffering i?

a LOT more

holy

[cursive edge]

damn lol, ROTG + virtus mask is 49 pray

1/50 shots dont max hit

[lapis flax]

f

[cursive edge]

can prob stomach that

[lapis flax]

already on radas 4 for the extra plus 1 bonus

[cursive edge]

otherwise you just run

2 vestment items

[lapis flax]

i was gonna say its not 1 in 50 its 2/100

🤣

might be time for bed

[cursive edge]

ton of defence bonuses lost tho

going to rotg + vestments

[lapis flax]

ye

[molten gust]

Its kinda silly. But if the last t8 isn’t the turtle relic I’ma be a bit disappointed.

[lapis flax]

i have a feeling last t8 is gonna be infinite pots

since the t6 was infinite food

[cursive edge]

whats the turtle relic?

[lapis flax]

a meme

🤣

[cursive edge]

are we getting t8 today

[lapis flax]

should be

[woeful osprey]

are there no leveling tasks

[lapis flax]

there are

do you mean for demonic pacts?

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League/Demonic Pacts#Tasks

these are the tasks for demonic pacts points

there is a global reach combat 50 that gets you 1 pact point

[cursive edge]

oh shit fire spells are finally implemented properly?

the regen damage is def there now

[molten gust]

On the board they shared before they released the relics. There was this turtle one.

We hope for not much reason that its the turtle.

[woeful osprey]

dang nothing else?

[lapis flax]

not for the pacts

but for general league points theres a tonne

all the usual suspects as well as like get 200m in combat/noncombat skills

[woeful osprey]

gotcha so more active tasks are rewarded

[lapis flax]

the tasks are like, kill this boss, equip this item, kill this mob

i linked the task list for demonic pacts

you can look through it

[woeful osprey]

ye more so milestone based and merit somewhat

[lapis flax]

on the wiki

yeah its liek the masteries were in ranging echos

[woeful osprey]

I just remember 2 leagues ago with lots of points being set for leveling

[cursive edge]

damn so the fire rune regen node is being implemented as adding flat damage AFTER all %increases

so its unaffected by %magic damage, slayer helm, crystal armour, weaknessess

gg lol

[ebon hearth]

whats regen damage

[cursive edge]

smoke barrage is def worse than wind surge then

the +1 dmg per fire rune regenerated

[unique smelt]

Running the numbers on builds in this league is depressing with shadow existing

[ebon hearth]

oh right i was thinking hp regen

[cursive edge]

you mean shadowflame?

[unique smelt]

37 point melee bag build is 60% the DPS on shadow

With 9 points invested

[molten gust]

The only pact task that I think is a bit unfairly hard to get compare to other area’s is the rad oathplate one. Should have been a complete a contract one instead to better match the other areas.

[cursive edge]

oh you mean tumekens?

try throwing in a sang staff

[unique smelt]

No, maingame tumeks

[cursive edge]

should be higher dps

lol

[lapis flax]

rad oathplate kinda fucked yeah but it is leagues so its not like its the same as maiun game

[cursive edge]

and even the easy to obtain GG echo staff is slightly better than sang staff, assuming the spec doesnt delay your next attack at all

[lapis flax]

definitely compared to everythign else its way harder tho for sure

[cursive edge]

so 9 pts and 1 75 slayer boss > minmaxed 40 point 5 scythe blindbagger xd

[unique smelt]

Shadow clears everything else at Verzik and Wardens

[cursive edge]

send me your dps calc

sang staff should beat it

shadow is half the speed but not double the damage

[unique smelt]

???

2 secs

Trying to figure out how to send

[cursive edge]

on top of that with sang you can run thorns, and you get free healing

[unique smelt]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=ArceniaTilesCoke

[lapis flax]

with the powered staff att spd node tumekens is 2 tick and sang is 1 tick

[molten gust]

I don’t mind going for it for the point. I just thing how hard it is compared to the requirements of other areas makes it too much. Doing a contract for it would have been a better fit.

[lapis flax]

but

acc can make a difference

[unique smelt]

But Sang loses 8 max hits tho

[cursive edge]

well

[molten gust]

Like how the dt2 bosses all have awakened as a requirement. But you don’t need to go for blood torva.

[cursive edge]

you should be grabbing the fire regen nodes

[unique smelt]

I'm not going mage, just running calcs

It's tradition in leagues for mage to be better than melee at verzik

[cursive edge]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=MarrGildedPlank

[dull imp]

wheres ur offhand

[cursive edge]

if you run sang properly, here it wins very slightly, but yeah

missing offhand with sang

and main main thing about sang is

being able to run thorns

which adds like 6dps

plus the 2 heal/2pray on taking a 0, and sang inbuilt healing

[unique smelt]

Ah fair!

[cursive edge]

and double speed of sang means water regen healing is double too

[dull imp]

im considering going sang with pure prayer pen

[cursive edge]

so all considered, its more dps, has tons of healing, easier to obtain

[dull imp]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=FilletsPetitionZanik

[cursive edge]

shadow does win in niche cases

when mobs have insanely high defences

but were talking like

sol heredit

and not much else

even shit like vardorvis i was finding sang won

cause of thorns

[dull imp]

shit wrong one

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=TattyRapierCriminals

[molten gust]

Sang should count as a blood spell for the whole skill tree stuff. (Unless it does already and I am just unaware)

[cursive edge]

that would be bonkers, it doesnt

[unique smelt]

But also stuff like Vard

How many hitsplats are you actually taking at vard though?

50 over the fight?

[cursive edge]

i mean jesus if it does count.. absolute insanity would ensue

sang would be doing like 100 dps

lol

[dull imp]

the difference between my tribrid setup and purse sang is only 3dps

[cursive edge]

50 is a ton, the thorns would do like 19 dmg each

on my powered staff/thorns build, it reaches 1k defence bonuses, so 13 base thorns, x1.5 from capstone

[unique smelt]

Yikes, didn't realise thorns was that strong, just thought it was boring and didn't do research

[dull imp]

link plz

[lapis flax]

pure thorns tank build with bulwark can afk 5 jad challenge

lmao

and it gets to sol heredit while afk

thorns is insanely strong

[unique smelt]

Probably not right? still going to get dumpstered without prayer switch?

[dull imp]

i hope they add in prayer pen to the dps cals

calcs* prayer pen might be super op

[lapis flax]

noit probably not one of the jmods that was testing it said that they did those 2 things

[cursive edge]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=BeehiveHauberkSpider

First tab

Other 2 are a hybrid build im also considering doing

[lapis flax]

they said it took like 3 tries for the 5 jad challenege

so a little rng dependant

but ye

you get so much healing from from it because thorns procs count as melee attacks

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=RunefestCallistoSpiderling

this would be the pure tank dihns thorn build with blind bag ranged echos for auxiliary dmg the total defence is 1980 so assumign rounding down thorns do 22 dmg plus 11 from the capstone for 33 dmg whenever you get hit even a 0 hitsplat

and thats not even including the suffereing and echo boots

[cursive edge]

so 34.2 sang dps vs verzik + a bit of thorns. Tbf verzik has a slow attack speed right so wont add that much there

[lapis flax]

plus the chance to reflect dmg back

[cursive edge]

but vs typical 5t bosses it adds about 6.5 dps

40 dps with a lot of healing is pretty strong

double dps of water builds, and like 5 hp/sec healing

[dull imp]

man so many builds so many options

way better than last leagues imo

[lapis flax]

absolutely

this type of tree (not exact one) needs to be a staple for leagues going forwards

its genuinely so good, even if everythign isnt perfectly balanced

[cursive edge]

im sure it will be

and will be way better next league

as they learn how to do it

[lapis flax]

exactly

[cursive edge]

im a big poe enjoyer

[unique smelt]

Can anyone beat 2 item DPS of 29?

[cursive edge]

so when i saw this tree, oh man

[lapis flax]

wdym by 2 item

[unique smelt]

Fill any 2 slots, pick any pacts

[dull imp]

on what?

[unique smelt]

I've got 28 DPS with Rune crossbow runite bolts naked

[dull imp]

need a mob

[unique smelt]

Crab

Or whatever you'd like

[cursive edge]

hmm, howd you get to 29?

i get 27.6 with sang + confliction vs crab

tho could add some magic dmg on tree i guess

take all the 1%'s

[unique smelt]

Dammmmn

[cursive edge]

hah! 30.647

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=MythicalNunchakuJack last tab

[unique smelt]

Thas pretty good, but a lot harder to get than rune crossbow and bolts

Nice! Big gz

[cursive edge]

actually the gg echo staff would beat it

but doesnt show in dps properly

spec effectively adds 52% more dps for free

[lapis flax]

i mean if you put like kings barrage and dragon onyx bolts

what does that get

instead of rcb and bolts

[cursive edge]

that is pretty crazy tho

[unique smelt]

29

Sorry, my b @lapis flax 29

[lapis flax]

really only 29?

what pacts do you have

that seems wrong

🤣

only 1 higher than rcb

[unique smelt]

Everything that would affect crossbow

Hmmm, the calc I built is wrong

[cursive edge]

oh get 31.963

with rune crossbow and runite bolts

rigour, range pot

[unique smelt]

Yeah, my calc has diff outcome than the wiki one

Time to bugfix

TBF one coding hobo vs wiki team, I think I've done alright

[cursive edge]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=GarlandViggorasCipher LOL look at the last tab

tab 6

[dull imp]

wtf

i kinda want to make an alt just for kings

holy shit

[cursive edge]

i actually have no idea how this ended up so high?

add in void and anguish and wtf?

[dull imp]

add in mage bonus for kings right?

[lapis flax]

almost 43 dps kings barrage sans anything

damn

[unique smelt]

So it's treating the entire attack as water now, looks like in the code

It should be

[cursive edge]

ohh

[unique smelt]

Only half the hitsplat is water

Holy shit

[cursive edge]

nah im getting +17% dps from the node

its 38% at 188 hp

[unique smelt]

Yeah, that's about right

[cursive edge]

38% water spell dmg at 188hp, so 17.7% is around half

BUT

it actually is still wrong because

echo dps isnt affected

i calced this yesterday, echo dps is giving like 50% of our damage so

the real effect of 38% water dmg should be around 12-13%

[unique smelt]

Do we think the ice barrage part of BBC is pretending to consume 6* water runes?

[cursive edge]

so its only like 40.8 dps xd

[unique smelt]

I thought they weren't allowing the ice barrage part of BBC to heal you?

[dull imp]

they arent

The crossbow always shoots 2 bolts at once dealing damage in two hitsplats, with both hitsplats having their max hit halved. The first bolt counts as a crossbow attack, while the other counts as an ice attack which will always freeze the current target in place for 24 ticks (14.4 seconds). The freeze effect can be toggled on and off with the weapon. The ice attack does not regenerate runes.

[cursive edge]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=SurokMorttonSpookier

ok tab 6 is now a realistic max dps KCB build from what I can work out. Wildy, Asgarnia, Kandarin

[cursive edge]

it doesnt give the regen healing, but 60% of the dmg heals you

[dull imp]

https://tenor.com/view/damage-thats-a-lot-of-damage-thats-a-lotta-damage-jon-tron-gif-13054451

[dull imp]

oh the rune gen healing

gotcha

[cursive edge]

but gotta multiply by like 0.96 to account for the mistake they made in adding the water dmg

so around 46 dps minmaxed kcb build vs gemstone crab

[dull imp]

i wonder how blindbag soulreapers axes will be

blindbag collosal blade could go hard as well

[lapis flax]

you dont get stacks unless you are weilding it

[dull imp]

yea

[cursive edge]

blindbag is just always soft

dps wise

but vibes wise im sure its fun

[dull imp]

shame

[cursive edge]

yeah

[dull imp]

but the 560 max hit is still dope

with the 5 scythe meme

[cursive edge]

kcb has 600 max hit lel

[dull imp]

wat

jpw

how*

[cursive edge]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=KitchenAmloddSulphurous

look at the 6th tab

thats 600 w/o culling spree dmg bonus too

[dull imp]

but it only shoots 2 bolts?

something has to be off on that calc

[cursive edge]

it echoes

600 is if you hit the echo RNG

[dull imp]

oh shit

[lapis flax]

yeah the melee max hit is also based on ranged echos

[dull imp]

the magic bolt doesnt echo does it?

[cursive edge]

youre thinking about it wrong

the bolts dont echo at all

[lapis flax]

i believe echo is per attack right

[cursive edge]

its when you fire, you regena mmo

[lapis flax]

oh wait

[dull imp]

ohhh

[cursive edge]

and trigger an echo

[lapis flax]

its regen

ye

so its every attack

[dull imp]

so maxing ammo regen is key on ranged builds

damn

[lapis flax]

and with higher than 100% regen sometimes multiple times per attack

[dull imp]

wild

[cursive edge]

also imagine every attack you get back 0.55 onyx bolts (e) as profit

4.5k gp or somethin lmao

5214 gp profit per shot lmao

[dull imp]

Sunlight hunter cbow with moonlight antler bolts is 38 dps, 340 max hit lol

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=SpectralSpyologyCapacitor

[cursive edge]

or more with avas effect?

[dull imp]

and its 5 tick

[lapis flax]

as an abundance user

[unique smelt]

It makes 20000 coins, when you fire this Gun for 12 seconds

[lapis flax]

🤣

[unique smelt]

Many people think they can outsmart me, yes, maybe
But can they outsmart Bolt?
ACB Spec Noise
Roblox Oof

[cursive edge]

wait damn 38 is crazy high

its 1h so you can pair thorns

[lapis flax]

ye

[dull imp]

yeah sunlight hunter crossbow was gunna be my initial start

since you can make it 5t and get turbo dps

and moonlight bolts are basically dragon arrows

full void though requires asgarnia right?

[unique smelt]

How do you get sunlight hunter crossbow in Varl only, am I a moron?

[lapis flax]

it is slightly more dps to take the plus 2 ticks on sunlight xbow but not by much

[dull imp]

they added hunter cbow to store

thats why im hunter rushing

easy early ranged weapon

[cursive edge]

is it? its showing less for me

[lapis flax]

3t vs 5t is 66.67% more dps but you get 70% more dmg so

[cursive edge]

oh right, yes you meant in that direction

[lapis flax]

technically it should be better to 5t

[cursive edge]

i thought you meant plus 2 ticks as in, removing that node

[lapis flax]

but not by much

[cursive edge]

yeah, its small

[lapis flax]

right yeah no im saying the slower hitting is stronger

by a little

[cursive edge]

overkill dmg mitigates it a bit

but then slower hit weps lose less dps in hectic fights too

[lapis flax]

that node is defnitely better on slower xbows and balista

[cursive edge]

so i think it just comes down to preference

[unique smelt]

If you swap to Asgarnia for Desert @cursive edge you can outdps Sang at Warden

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=SerafinaBrutalMinotaur

[wary egret]

I think I’m gonna try a thammarons 1t rush

Odds aren’t terrible skulled and on task

[unique smelt]

The only problem is if I go wildy I'll quit the league

Just finished my voidwaker on the IM

[lapis flax]

5x

[unique smelt]

dont make me go back

[dull imp]

if they made wildy no pking allowed during league

id consider it

[cursive edge]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=FangElenaShrinking

Tab 6, 40 dps Sunlight + 5 thorns dps vs 5t enemies

45 dps sunlight crossbow setup lmfao

[lapis flax]

you dont lose anything on death right

[wary egret]

It can’t be that bad can it?

[lapis flax]

can still get attack ofc

[dull imp]

just your time and patience

[lapis flax]

but you dont get anythign

[dull imp]

i already hate people in the wildy enough as is

[lapis flax]

by pking

[dull imp]

yea but degens want to ruin other peoples fun

thats what wildy is

[unique smelt]

No, I didn't really get attacked that much last league, but there was also less reason to pick it

[lapis flax]

mmhmm

[dull imp]

loot pinata bait

even though you dont lose anything

its still ptsd

[cursive edge]

yeah KCB out dps's sang for sure. GG echo staff get close to that 45 though with thorns added in

[unique smelt]

No thorns at warden though probably

[cursive edge]

yeah, thorns is a wild card pretty much

like vs mokha

it should go hard right

cause 3-4 hitsplats per attack

[unique smelt]

Hellll yes

[cursive edge]

and then vs nylo room its prob nice

[dull imp]

thorns is my third respec for afking

near end of league

[cursive edge]

id hate a pure thorns build, seems fun for 5 minutes

but as a supplementary dps spec for 1h builds

awesome

[lapis flax]

imma try some hard mode solos with gargelon staff for sure, seems like it should be ez breezy

[dull imp]

isnt gargelon staff outdpsd by sang?

[lapis flax]

typeless aoe dmg in nylo room

[dull imp]

or is the spec really strong?

[lapis flax]

on the spec

[dull imp]

ohhh

[cursive edge]

It depends

if the spec incurs no delay on your next normal attack

then it works out to adding 52% more dps

[lapis flax]

as long as the spec can 1 hit the nylos then its incredible

cause its typeless so you dont even really need like a range switch

[cursive edge]

i.e. 5 hits each doing 50% max hit, +1 free hit doing 130% max hit.

So from 250% dmg to 380% in 5 hits, 380/250 = 1.52

sang base hit is 35 at 109 magic
gargelon 26

26*1.52 = 39.52

the -8 damage is the bit that makes it a bit harder to calculate

since that appears to apply last, after %increases from magic dmg/slay helm/crystal

it works slightly in sangs favour, but not by much. Overall GG should still win

[lapis flax]

but this is dps against 1 target right?

[cursive edge]

yeh

[lapis flax]

yeah okay

[cursive edge]

the other caveat though is if youre against some boss tanky to magic but where you can keep your distance

[lapis flax]

im probably only gonna really use it for nylos in my regions

but still

should be great

[cursive edge]

sang + the 5% chance for max accuracy per tile node

will beat GG staff, cause GG staff spec is 3 tile range

niche situations tho

[lapis flax]

ye

on the topic of nylo room in tob, thorns count as a melee attack right? so can throns not kill the green and blue nylosd?

also

[unique smelt]

Really basic KCB build, only Wildy needed, 2 regions free, 40+DPS on Warden or Verzik, 20+DPS on Right claw

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=CokeLederhosenWitch

[lapis flax]

wouldnt that stop you from killing them alltogether?

🤣

since you cant dmg once you hit incorrect style

[cursive edge]

"Thorns" damage hitting a mage or ranged nylo will not deal damage to you despite being melee

[wary egret]

How long will it take to get t4? Is that around the time you unlock a 2nd area or much later?

[cursive edge]

i think they probably made a special exception where

[unique smelt]

Areas come later this league

[cursive edge]

thorns wont fuck it all up

[lapis flax]

good

[cursive edge]

prob wont kill the blue/greens

[lapis flax]

as they should

LOL

[unique smelt]

So expect t3-4 to be your first pick region

[cursive edge]

but wont make em immune either

otherwise thorns would be so bricked in tob

[lapis flax]

yeah

you wouldnt be able to run tob with a thorns build

well not solo at least

[wary egret]

That’d be perfect timing

[cursive edge]

also the lithic sceptre

the mob you target with it

takes magic damage

rest take typeless, but

[lapis flax]

Gargelon*

it has a name

get it right

[cursive edge]

Lithic sceptre will work like sol spear and Nylos will not damage you when you use it's special attack to clear them. This IS considered a powered staff so will work with the crystal blessing. At low levels it's minimum hit will be 10. It is not considered an earth spell

[lapis flax]

🤣

[lapis flax]

interesting

[cursive edge]

still unclear if you need to target a blue nylo to be optimal

[lapis flax]

so you need to be targeting the blue nylos

when speccing

[cursive edge]

you could still target another colour, but that one may not die

those around it will

[lapis flax]

yeah

i mean

[wary egret]

It’s nice max drop multiplier is at t4. Don’t feel any hesitation to start grinding some revs there and maybe spoon a drop

[lapis flax]

im sure leaving 1 or 2 alive will be fine

[cursive edge]

its possible it kills the main target nylo anyway

hope so