leagues-general

[small flower]

probably will

plus going larcenist

[short sphinx]

its takes like 7 pacts to get 1 tick powered staff

which should make cg easier

[small flower]

makes for a good chunk of points for thieving/smithing/crafting

ye, just take the speed boost and 90% prayer pen on first tree

and dont even worry about the boss

[short sphinx]

exactly

[near trench]

Someone willing to peer-review my ZTK Mage/Melee hybrid?

[short sphinx]

send it sounds like what me and perma are doing just without zeah

[near trench]

Its a full fletched progression plan for exactly this comb 😄

Doom, other Magegrinds, Raiding with Rnds/Friends
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=HaloPirateInstruction
After Echo Thermi is down we shift to AirBender Mage with option to AFK or active play
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?name=5-+ZTK+-+RaidsPrep-SoloRaids&share=1jxFrC3sHgtRADAIAQIAAAAA.wJ-BFQQBMKUaiBMjBoMARBgJsnYUOuAn4VzPrwpaQ-kQ-TAVhYJ6IWOUiTOksRg8YeLIVtdDYymvrQU
Basically game is solved/trivialized here
Zuk
Doom
Yama

Finishing Up - Going UberMode
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=RicksBattleaxeSite
Prepping for final few Points
Basically Melee Shift to account for SoloRaids, Sol Heredit, Radiant Oathplate, Special Challenge
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?name=6-+ZTK+-+EndGame+Respecc&share=1yxlLDyMDgtQwDYIAIIAAAAA
Finish up with possibility to have Uber WindMage, Decent Melee for everything where Accuracy sucks and Full Afk with Water
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?name=7-+ZTK+-+Full+Endgame&share=1yxlLDyMDgvQwDYYEIIABAAA.wH_6C__jn_2pP_av_sNf_BP_5x_9nb_y1_7X3_qD_-3__Ys_-Tf-0v-kQf_lj_yTP_Pn_uG_-5eK8Y9Gmr_3Nxc

1. Zones => Z -> T -> K
   Farming/Herb done through FarmingGuild (Alch to Spirit Seeds for infinite sustain)
   Con Money should be solved through thieving in T
   Only Problem => Agility ( Monkey Laps) might just bite the bullet or not do it

Echo Amox - Echo Hespori - EchoCG (farm ready)
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=BeaconBattleaxeEastfloor
Early Melee Specc to finish Echo Amox & Echo Hespori
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?name=1-+Z+-+Starter-FireCape&share=1DwAjAQAAAFBAAAAAQAAAAAA.wJ-BFQQBQAwGgZE4CkhjMSQO5QU
After Hespori focus on easy full sustain through Natures Recurve
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?name=2-+ZT+-+FireCape-EchoCG&share=1DxEjAWIEAFBAAAAAQAAAAAA.wJ-BFQQB0ECcGDEYBEbiKDw_6RD5oB7SWAyJQ3kB
Setting up for EchoCG (can clear/farm at the End of 1 CG Down)
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?name=3-+ZTK+-+EchoCG-SlayerGrind&share=1jxEjAXoGAFBACAAAQAAAAAA.wJ-BFQQBMKUaiBMjBoPASByF51cFraF0iHwUCuohjcWQOK6H8gI

Zulrah (lf staff) - Slayer Grind
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=ZealotsObservationsShopping
Getting ready for Slayer Grind (possible without EchoCG farmed)
Heavy focus on Slayer Grind to get Quadrant/Devils Element + Kandarin Points
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?name=4-+ZTK+-+SlayerGrind-RaidsPrep&share=1jxErC3sHAtBADAIAQIAAAAA.wJ-BFQQBMKUaiBMjBoMARBiJo9ABPwnnen5V0BpKh8iHqSgU1AsZSGMxeMLEka2uh8ZSXlsL

Doom, other Magegrinds, Raiding with Rnds/Friends
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=HaloPirateInstruction
After Echo Thermi is down we shift to AirBender Mage with option to AFK or active play
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?name=5-+ZTK+-+RaidsPrep-SoloRaids&share=1jxFrC3sHgtRADAIAQIAAAAA.wJ-BFQQBMKUaiBMjBoMARBgJsnYUOuAn4VzPrwpaQ-kQ-TAVhYJ6IWOUiTOksRg8YeLIVtdDYymvrQU
Basically game is solved/trivialized here
Zuk
Doom
Yama

Its mixed up, not allowed to link leaguesplanner

[short sphinx]

try making a theories and plans post it should let you link everything or add SC

[errant mulch]

is kourend needed?
also what yama contract will do for echo boss?

[short sphinx]

probably wants it for the raid

[small flower]

ye, sounds like he just wants it for raiding

and yama should be fun too

[short sphinx]

i like the idea

[tacit oyster]

you need to complete every single radiant oathplate contract for radiant oathplate task point

[short sphinx]

but as a bonk enjoyer hearing the term air mage makes me cry iinside

[small flower]

haha

[short sphinx]

im doing my elden ring run but in OSRS leagues

[small flower]

ye, i just wanna hti things fast, and while fero gloves would help, i have a vendetta with CoX, so i'm ignoring that it exists

[short sphinx]

i hate cox

[tawny frost]

can I log into the leagues and maingame worlds on the same account? I read somewhere that it was possible last time? or was that something else

[small flower]

i don't hate most of the raid, but it sure hates me for loot, so i continue to ignore it

[tacit oyster]

cannot log onto same account in different modes, never possibility

[short sphinx]

its really hard for us to get 1 tick powered staff and prayer pen

[small flower]

much bigger fan of the ToB/ToA bosses

[short sphinx]

we might have to just 5 to 1

[tacit oyster]

you can hop worlds from league to main game but be logged in on both at the same time

[small flower]

hm?

it's like 21 points

for 90% plus speed

[bleak inlet]

Air mage with 50 prayer bonus is busted man this league

[small flower]

shouldn't be too hard

[bleak inlet]

100+ hits

every time

[short sphinx]

if we choose try as first region

i can see an easy 12 pact points

which gets us 15% prayer pen with powered staff

[tardy stratus]

Hello everyone

[short sphinx]

if we choose asg as first it goes up to 16

[small flower]

hm

[short sphinx]

maybe 18

if we are good at the game

im cheeks

kinda

[small flower]

spend 3 extra points to get the water capstone

and 1 for autocast speed

slows down powerstaff, but if giong for asg first anyway

not like we'd have a powerstaff that early

[short sphinx]

fair

[small flower]

that would also make for a joke of a fight cave

[short sphinx]

true

and the zuk 3 rd chall

[small flower]

but 90% powerstaff is then 26 points?

no, 25

that's not to obad

26 does get the air prayer regen early as well though

doubt that'd actually be needed

[short sphinx]

only 14 points for 1 tick powered staff and ranged echo melee

then we wouldnt need the prayer pen

since we have the 2 styles

[stone prairie]

is there a reason blind bag dps calcs have got lower today?

[small flower]

they fixed the calc a bit

it was assuming you 100% triggered like 20 in a row or soemthing dumb

so no more 2300 maxhits

[stone prairie]

ahh i zee i zee thank you

[small flower]

you are more optimistic than I

[short sphinx]

Complete the Leagues Tutorial (10 points)
Open the Leagues Menu (10 points)
Defeat a Hill Giant (10 points)
Reach Combat Level 50 (30 points)
Use the Protect from Melee Prayer (30 points)

1 Hueycoatl Kill (80 Points) Defeat a Steel Dragon on Karamja (30 Points)
Defeat a TzHaar (30 Points)

Equip a Fire Cape (200 Points)

[small flower]

oh, i blanked and missed karamja entirely

[velvet dawn]

Anyone else worried they are going to nerf the 100% chance to max hit 100+ air spells build

[small flower]

i guess i'm more optimistic then XD 15 seems simple enough

though 14 if unlucky on a hilt

probabyl not worth farming till better drop rates anyway

[short sphinx]

14 seems about right

[potent quail]

Husky talked about it

Unless it is a bug they wont

[short sphinx]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-133-157-161-43-44-46-56-59-68-73-74-82-86

that uses 14

[small flower]

i would hope not, it's strong, but there's several other options to get near that kinda damage

[potent quail]

It is not broken per se

It tequires a extremly specific setup and your accuracy sucks

This is not a league starter but a endgame build

Its just the raw damage may be to high

In comparrison

Dagger build with rune dagger and no equipment deals less but still a massive amount of damage

Any powered staff just 6 skillpoints and you have the build

[small flower]

i dont think we'd even really need the blindbag node, especially not inside cg

[short sphinx]

fair

[tawny frost]

does echo hespori grant me farming exp on each kill

[small flower]

granted nothing else helps for 1 point

XD

[potent quail]

My plan is

Start crossbow
Then get points to go into the air build

And use gear switching node to make both builds stronger

[small flower]

you can however

get down to the bow speed node

[potent quail]

Eh just powered staff for cg

[small flower]

in 13 points

[potent quail]

Way more then enough

[small flower]

which would probabyl feel smoother on hunlef anyway

[cloud gate]

Anyone knows what the strongest combat style will be?

[short sphinx]

so i like the idea of just the powered staff for CG ive completed alot of CG ive never done the 5 to 1 method tho

[small flower]

ah

[short sphinx]

so it would be a learning curve

[small flower]

i think i tried it last league? and ended up just fighting him normally

[potent quail]

For early cg Build check this post and the one below

Has full routing

#1492147267841556651 message

[potent quail]

You deal quadrupple the usual damage

With the powered staff node

[short sphinx]

i like that idea

you could also just melee as 2nd and dont worry about the dmg cuz your mage carries

if you cant 5 to 1

[potent quail]

This locks you into powered staves though

[short sphinx]

thats fine

[potent quail]

So if you fond one in the main game its worth it i would say

My plan is rune crossbow

With diamond bolts and later onyx bolts

And then route to the air node

Disgusting damage

Böindbag may be meta though for league start

With amox -> all dual hit weapons

Its just such a insane damage spike so early

And everyone can do it no matter the regions

[golden token]

I have not seen a relic that allows for farming patches to instantly grow? Is that not happening this year?

[short sphinx]

probably not

[small flower]

there's no instant growth

[signal ether]

What is the worst build for leagues?

[small flower]

the farming one just makes them not die

well, not just

[golden token]

That sucks

[signal ether]

I’m thinking of grabbing a 2nd teleport relic with reloaded

I think that would be the worst

[potent quail]

Probably

Well in theory map can solve rc

[small flower]

i may be picking it for that yea lol

[potent quail]

So evil eye for bossing map as a rc solve?

[signal ether]

I’m also going wilderness because that doesn’t have as much and you have a risk of being killed.

[potent quail]

[potent quail]

Ol then map is crazy

[short sphinx]

maybe blindbag early is the way to go

[potent quail]

I dont think pvp is on

[signal ether]

Pvp free wildy?

[potent quail]

I would assume

[signal ether]

I though pvp was enabled though

[potent quail]

Or else it would be wild

[cloud panther]

pvp is enabled but deaths work like pve

[signal ether]

I havent picked wildy before

[potent quail]

(Erness)

[small flower]

blindbag early does make for a very strong start through bloodmoon

[cloud panther]

so you wont lose anything and just gotta deal with the ocasional early griefer

[short sphinx]

yeah since we dont need the powered stave till tyn

[small flower]

ye, could just hold off

[signal ether]

So i wont lose items if i die in wildy? It works like in tzhaar fight pits

[brittle hull]

hey guys, at tier 3 combat exp is multiplied by 1.5 does this mean the exp mjjlitplier is 9.5x? since tier 2 is 8x

[potent quail]

It seems also like echo amox is designed to be done before moons

So you also get 1 reset

[small flower]

yep

[cloud panther]

exactly

[wary egret]

Pact progression seems pretty gated early mid-game

[signal ether]

Does it state that anywhere soecifically?

Ill check the wiki

[potent quail]

Thats why we are trying to figure out a route from 1-10 pact points

[small flower]

just this https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-150-151-152-157-161-2-3-4-43-5-73-74-83-86

[potent quail]

Böindbag seems to be the way

[small flower]

pick up blood moon, tecpatl, all the nagua weaopns for blindbag

[cloud panther]

it has worked like that in every league and yes they did mention it somehwere I can't remember where

[potent quail]

Or dagger or crossbow

[small flower]

and worry about CG later

[potent quail]

Or throwing with chins

[signal ether]

Ok i found it

For this League, deaths will behave differently in the Wilderness:

PvP deaths will be treated like a PvM death, with items lost on death moving to a gravestone. The gravestone will then move to your respawn location.
PvM deaths will be unaffected.
Loot keys are disabled.
Dying will not reset the lap counter in the Wilderness Agility Course.

[potent quail]

But chisn will be hell to get lmao

[short sphinx]

fight caves would be annoying tho

but guess i can just do a reg fight cave

[small flower]

so no just respawning with gear, but it's not like cash for death will be hard to get

[potent quail]

Oh that last line

Makes wilderness agi course a money maker

[small flower]

oh

yea that's nice

[gaunt creek]

Yama is for everyone right?

[small flower]

ye, jad doesn't exactly need anything extra

idk, have they said he's seperate from zeah or something?

i saw him listed under kourend still

i mean with the theme of the league i would have thought he'd be accessible, but idk

[latent magnet]

It's insane money

[small flower]

they made radiant oathplate a kourend task, so i doubt it

[cloud panther]

hmmmm

[potent quail]

Are the drops also increased? If not its juts 2 mil an hour

[latent magnet]

I doubt this is staying, they have to change this

A single contract completion would be fine

[potent quail]

Its essier to complete this league btw

[signal ether]

Yeah its perfect for getting all the consumables you need for the wilderness

[small flower]

i mean to say that exists, so it's unlikely yama would be universally accessible

[potent quail]

Oh yeah

[latent magnet]

Not really. Yama contracts have a shit ton of one shot mechanics. Even maxed out with t8 frevor and a tank build, there's no easy way to complete all contracts

[small flower]

i mean awakened bosses are a point in their regions too, will be something for people to learn

[potent quail]

You do deal a shit ton of damage though

[brittle hull]

What are some early prayer training strats? i see libation pool requries 30 prayer

[potent quail]

Like no time for one shot mechanics

[potent quail]

Just shrines

[blissful fiber]

gilded altar

[small flower]

calcified rocks

[potent quail]

Gives boneshards which requires 30 prayer

[brittle hull]

but how are you getting bones

[small flower]

o

well kill a giant

XD

[blissful fiber]

ideally, buying them

[gaunt creek]

Rumors

[blissful fiber]

else, you loot them yourself from monster

when buying bones, you want dragon bones

[potent quail]

So you can kill a npc
And it drops remains

[potent quail]

Buying from whom?

[blissful fiber]

ironman speaking 👎

fuel the hate

[brittle hull]

can sun kissed bones be offered on altar?

[potent quail]

Btw if you take alchemize you can upgrade bones

[small flower]

just get to T4 first and transmute bones to superior dragons

[gaunt creek]

You break them down

[potent quail]

You do know we all will be ironman in the league?

[brittle hull]

yes but you need 30 prayer to use libation pool

[blissful fiber]

oh wait

this is league

not question

[potent quail]

[blissful fiber]

💀

im sorry bruh

[potent quail]

Will 30 prayers

Kill stuff

Put bones on altar

[brittle hull]

i didnt see sun kissed bones on ledger

[potent quail]

Up to superior dragonbones

[gaunt creek]

Do 1 quest or something then

[potent quail]

So normal bones to superior

If pre 30 put on altar

If past 30 break down for shards

Oh yeah also check if quest gives prayer exp

Good point

The big reason why alchemize seems so much better then butler

Butler only solves easy skills

[signal ether]

Wilderness is probably the worst area right?

Because I want the 3 worst areas

[potent quail]

Echo crossbow is insanely broken lol

[small flower]

uhh

that's a hard pick this year then

frem maybe

[potent quail]

You can pick area combos where it is impossible to point max

[brittle hull]

no quests available

[signal ether]

Sure, how

[potent quail]

Its in the blog

What you need to look for when area picking

[potent quail]

Easiest problem: no raid
So cant get the tasks for that or mega rares

[signal ether]

Got it

No desert no kourend no mory

Done

[small flower]

frem tir wildy would be kinda weird I guess, although it'd still have a really good option for powered staves

[potent quail]

You always have access to ayak

[small flower]

said it'd still have a really good option for that XD

[potent quail]

You cant fully brick
Because varlampre just has so much shit

[small flower]

yea

varl doesn't really let you

worst case scenario you're using peri moons gear end-game, and it's stilL really good

[potent quail]

Isnt ayak still really good with the node?

[small flower]

yea

you'd have ayak, toxic trident, accursed scept

mage cape, magus ring, full crystal

[potent quail]

Well pact build is easy lol

150% prayer pen only

[small flower]

that'd actually just be a solid choice

[signal ether]

Which is the worst of frem wildy and tirannwn to go first? Im thinking tiranwnn

[potent quail]

Many people start T
CG rush

[signal ether]

Hmm

[small flower]

there's no real "worst" first

we start in varlamore

varlamore will kind of get you all the way to end-game if you wanted to

[signal ether]

Hmm

[cinder abyss]

Hey

[small flower]

maybe fremm i guess

[signal ether]

So im thinking wildy is worst because few to no useful stores

[small flower]

there's not a whole lot to do there early on

[signal ether]

There lundail and ferox but nothing else

[small flower]

mage bank rune shop and the bandit guy who buys stuff at high alch value would disagree

[gaunt creek]

You use the sun kissed bones on the shrine not the bowl

[signal ether]

Varlamore has a lot of good stores too

[small flower]

yep

[gaunt creek]

After 30 use the bowl

[signal ether]

So its not like i lack for options anyway.

[small flower]

idk if you can really brick yourself tbh

[signal ether]

Yeah im looking to go furthest as possible but with worst build

[small flower]

can't count kandarin as a bad region even if you have zero points in mage pacts, the echo boss drops 2 items that would still have you maging stuff effectively

[signal ether]

Yeah kandarin was buffed

And frem nerfed sort of?

Although frem has gold leaf for construction

[small flower]

yea, fremm is a bit on the weaker side, but it has enough that supports other things that i wouldn't call it bad

[short sphinx]

so does varlamore

[signal ether]

Right but last leagues there was no varlamore

[small flower]

you could just not pick a region at all

and go to T8 just in varlamore

there ya go

[signal ether]

I mean

[potent quail]

Your relic choices will be the biggest nerf to your account

[gaunt creek]

Inferno and quiver locked league

[small flower]

as far as "weak" regions, fremm is probably weakest as a standalone?

[gaunt creek]

Ye

[small flower]

but it's still got good stuff

[signal ether]

Im thinking choosing reloaded and getting a 2nd teleport relic is clearly the worst choice i can make

So im gonna do it

Then im also gonna get the fairy mushroom teleport relic too

[potent quail]

Besides that

Having unsolved skills öike slayer rc prayer etc

[small flower]

then do desert mory kourend

[potent quail]

Tripple raids

[signal ether]

So ill be the only one rocking 3 teleport relics

0 raids

[small flower]

the worst picks in the sense that you'll be stuck raiding, getting radiant oathplate, and doing phosani

[signal ether]

3 teleport relics

[potent quail]

I do like that lotic though

[small flower]

XD

[potent quail]

Extreme tasks

[signal ether]

My build will let me teleport anywhere but make me suffer to actually grind things

So i can start the grinding easy

But its harder for me to actually grind that much

Is abundance and hotfoot worst first two relic combo?

[small flower]

so abundance forager, alacrity, conniving clues, natures accord, infinitefood, bankers note, minion?

extremely limited speed for skilling, little to no resource boosts

hotfoot is free xp

[thin tide]

KANDARIN FREM MORY what do people think for learning bosses for main game just chilling??

[signal ether]

My logic was to pick relics that filled inventory and equip slots a lot

[small flower]

forager gives you herbs, but you still have to actually do everything

[signal ether]

Because that means its more annoying to switch them iut

Ill double check forager

But i was leaning to hotfoot or w/e its called being actually worse

[primal merlin]

hm

[small flower]

i guess you could get hotfoot, and throw the boots away

[primal merlin]

???

huh

[signal ether]

Its more annoying to lose an equip spot to make your relic work than an inventory slot

Thats my logic

[small flower]

well, it's just giving you a 99

[signal ether]

No im not looking to sabotage myself

Im looking to do the best with a bad build

[primal merlin]

ah

gross

[gaunt creek]

#anti-leagues-general

[small flower]

as opposed to forager that does make herb a bit easier, but doesn't actually just give you xp

[signal ether]

Brb ill re read

Do marks of grace even do anything if you dont have asgarnia???

[small flower]

probably not no

[signal ether]

And do they actually do anything even if you have asgarnia?

[small flower]

you do get the varlamore crystals boosted tho

termites, w/e

[signal ether]

If run energy is infinite then why even need graceful?

[smoky raft]

points

[small flower]

ye

[signal ether]

But heres my point

[small flower]

probably a task for it

[signal ether]

What if you pick hotfoot

[smoky raft]

stams are also good herb xp

[signal ether]

Which helps you get marks of grace

But

[small flower]

true

[signal ether]

There is no where to spend those marks of grace

[small flower]

honestly most of the text on hotfoot is whatever, the first 3 effects are huge though

[signal ether]

You see what i mean?

[smoky raft]

without asgarnia, yes

but you're also getting the 10k coins per pickup

[signal ether]

But!

I chose abundance

So i already dont need coins

[small flower]

true, the money wont really help

[signal ether]

So its superfluous

And therefore a bad pick

Got it?

[small flower]

alright so abundance/hotfoot/map

for sure

clue for t4 feels like the least helpful

[signal ether]

Yeah i think so for first 3

[small flower]

but i guess that's up to how you normally feel about clues

[signal ether]

What about butlers bell?

[small flower]

is actually pretty good

[smoky raft]

I'm more concerned with why you picked abundance tbh

[small flower]

plants, (unf) potions, bars

[signal ether]

Im going for the worst build

[small flower]

a decent chunk of them per day

[smoky raft]

ah, right, that's you

[small flower]

we're arguing about which one is worst

lol

[signal ether]

I already decided im doing reloaded and taking a second teleport relic

[small flower]

if you actually plan on doing clues i guess you'd want to take transmutation or bell

[signal ether]

Clues probably has a ton of leagues points easily achieved so i dont want that.

[small flower]

if you dont care about clues anyway, the clue relic would therefore be useless to you

[signal ether]

So its either transmute or butler imo

[small flower]

transmute is ... mostly a money thing, but it does also do prayer

[signal ether]

I care about what makes it harder to get your leagues points

[small flower]

butler covers several things that are very useful

transmute is probably less useful for you then

[signal ether]

Whereas transmute is just money and pray

And im already getting tons of money

And if i focus money then it helps me choose worst regions

[small flower]

natures accord seems the way to go for t5 then too

you get another! teleport item

[signal ether]

Because i can just choose regions with worst shops

[small flower]

it doesn't speed up actual growth time

[signal ether]

Exactly

When i saw the 3rd teleport i knew i had to get it

[small flower]

it's basically just higher yield, but you still gotta wait

t6 is clearly the inf food

t8 would depend on tomorrow i guess

of the 2 current ones idk what "worse" would be, they both help quite a lot

minion is more passive/afk grinding i guess?

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-are-you-absolutely-certain-are-you-positive-can-you-verify-that-gif-2655197662233563095

They dont this leagues

[signal ether]

Eternal food is a good choice for a bad relic

[small flower]

oh? did they say they were reducing clue tasks?

they certainly made the relic worse XD

[languid mauve]

Mod Husky confirmed this lol

[signal ether]

In leagues 4 there were a jillion points behind clues

[small flower]

or maybe it was just the combo of 2 relics that were so wild last time

ahh

good

[signal ether]

Its probably a good idea they toned that down.

[small flower]

i ain't a fan anyway

[signal ether]

Perma u want to talk more about this later?

I gtg rn

[small flower]

sure lol

later

[languid mauve]

Perma gonna go randomizer and cry

[small flower]

haha

[signal ether]

When we talk again we’ll talk about the worst areas for my worst relics build

Cya l8r

[small flower]

i'm absolutely down to try weird things, but i hate randomizers, RNG is not kind to me ever

[languid mauve]

Yeah i like to plan things to a point then just go from there so i dont ruin fun

[small flower]

ye

like i've said, i like having fun planning stuff, messing around with builds, then when i actually get to playing i'll just kinda do whatever i'm feeling would be fun at the time

while... loosely sticking to the overall plan

[languid mauve]

Im rushing 10 pact points asap ill literally be like level 50 casting 3 water blast healing 60% lol

And im excited

3 tick*

[small flower]

ah, i've always kinda wandered around like a headless chicken till i'm t5 or t6, and then start focusing

[languid mauve]

there are a few relics that put me in a position i dont want to be in and make me feel weird but meh

[small flower]

oh, drop rates max at T4

so early in

that's much better

[languid mauve]

Wait really

[small flower]

yea

5x drop rate at T4

maybe pushing combat earlier does make more sense here, and save the xp grinds for 7+

[languid mauve]

yeah maybe. I just never liked it when i had to try so hard and put so much effort into getting to tier 8 i felt like tier 8 was difficult to reach

as weird as it sounds i'd take a penalty like never being able to obtain dragon tier to reach tier 8 faster

just to enjoy it more

[twin ermine]

Will treads will need cerb or will it come maxxed

[small flower]

in a weird way yea, i'm almost looking forward to not caring about the last t8 relic either so i can push for 7, and sorta do whatever, just gradually get 8+

i think they drop normal, need cerb to max

[languid mauve]

it will not come maxed

[small flower]

sorta like masori/ward

[languid mauve]

you will need to combine them each with 4K demon tears

even in default form, Avernic treads are still bis

unless you're going a tank build or something

[small flower]

ye, and if tank you also get echo boots in starter region 😄

[languid mauve]

wait how does that work since gem comes from a diff region

1 region drops fully upgraded, and 1 just drops guardian lol

lol get scammed GG

[small flower]

wonder if equipping guardian boots will be a task,

lol

just to make them feel wanted

[languid mauve]

I'm also going to say now, if last Tier 8 is special attack related, it will not compete well against other two

[small flower]

they're so much more rare too -_-

[languid mauve]

yeah, i killed echo GG a lot last leagues and never got the tormaline core

[small flower]

eh, at this point i'm ready to pick whatever the third choice is no matter what

[languid mauve]

Minion is very powerful though

[small flower]

idc about minion, idc about bomb potion

[languid mauve]

not really a minion person?

[small flower]

i actually am a huge fan of summons etc XD

i just never liked the guardian relic from past leagues

[languid mauve]

this year isn't the same

problem before is attack speed was too slow

[small flower]

yea, upgrades and loots for you

is neat

[languid mauve]

that was literally the problem

now it's 3 tick

[small flower]

o, i guess i did kinda see it was minion and skip stats

[languid mauve]

literally same speed as magic casting

[small flower]

hm

[languid mauve]

most builds are going to get out dps'd by minion

[small flower]

may go for that on the mage then

[languid mauve]

and when u sacrifice 5 items to minion

it increases it's max hit

[small flower]

and see what the last choice is for melee

[languid mauve]

making it 3-20 damage ratio

at 3 ticks

[small flower]

yea that's not bad

makes sense for wildy mage too

[languid mauve]

its also rarely going to miss

[twin ermine]

I keep trying to make crystal Dinhs work but it might just be an asgarnia angle and grab torva

Or just oathplate i guess and free up the entire region

[small flower]

losing that much def stats on dinhs definitely hurts it

torva would get your boots maxed too

kind of a bummer there's no real tank gloves this time

[twin ermine]

There also might just be an angle I drop thorns and go far into nally + blindbag

[languid mauve]

there are granite gloves

[twin ermine]

But thorns seems more interesting

[small flower]

i mean... yea

they're ok

[twin ermine]

Cause it’s either ZAM or TZM

[small flower]

zam would get you a solid alternative setup with the torva/maxed boots

[languid mauve]

u dont have much choices overall

so take ur pick

lol

[small flower]

i know :/

[languid mauve]

if im being honest i'm conflicted over my 3rd region

[small flower]

same, but will probably cave and go asgarnia

[languid mauve]

well i'm going full water mage build, dipping into overheal, and extra accuracy/prayer pen.

i'm going Kanderin first, then fremmy

then i want to go Mory, but i'm also thinking desert

it would be between desert and Mory

[small flower]

ah,w as gonna say fremm but you're already locked at 2nd

hah

[languid mauve]

I'm getting the V helm from Fremmy so i dont need to get a slayer helm, even though it's a task

[small flower]

better mage stats on it anyway

and tank

so yea, worth using

yea idk, whichever raid you like I guess? there's not really any gear you need from either

[languid mauve]

i HATE cox

Love tob, and toa is cool too

[small flower]

well, you said mory or desert 😛

i agree

i suppose on the side mory could get you ahrims for earlier armor upgrade

desert... .has giants foundry, guardians of the rift and tempoross?

[languid mauve]

that's true, but i'm not going teleport relic, and my teleport to barrows is just outside the wall

[small flower]

pure water mage? or going for range or melee as a hybrid splash

[languid mauve]

na pure water

[small flower]

then yea it's kinda just whatever you wanna fight

or skill boost

[languid mauve]

before i took a nap, i was going to make a list of anything i could think of that was 100% immune to magic or water spells

ultimately i want to maximize fun and kill everything

[small flower]

sol

or at least you aren't hittin him

[languid mauve]

is he fully immuen

to magic

[small flower]

he's got like 700+ defense

[languid mauve]

yeah i'm focusing heavy into accuracy though

that with other magic acc items like confliction gauntlets

should help a lot

[small flower]

worth a shot i guess

actual immunity tho idk

i guess ToB you'd need switches for nylos

ToA you could grab prayer pen and just brute force with water

the whole way

[languid mauve]

wait, 750 magic defense means T bow

na u dont need switches for nylo

u just take a lot extra time to finish the room

[unkempt terrace]

@forest ice In what context?

[small flower]

XD

[languid mauve]

i've done hmt on main game solo with no switches in nylo room

you do howeever NEED switches for P1

p1 warden*

[small flower]

if lisa means for the sake of the elemental pact nodes that specify "spell hits" and stuff, they shouldn't, but the nodes that regen 1 elemental rune on charge staff hit should count for the initial nodes, so +1 hp per hit, +1 damage

[languid mauve]

i think warden is one of thw few i can think of that are hard immune

[small flower]

ah

well, not like p1 is a problem in any sense

[icy comet]

Is the new relic released today worth taking?

[languid mauve]

that depends on your build honestly

[small flower]

doesn't seem like it, maybe if you're going super heavy thorn tank

[languid mauve]

if ur not going water mage

[small flower]

or throwing?

[languid mauve]

then maybe

[small flower]

maybe

lol ye

[unkempt terrace]

That's what I'm thinking

[small flower]

or if you just dont care about grimoire or slayer then go for it

[icy comet]

So water mage is the best? And ice barrage is considered water right

[small flower]

well, water mage has insane healing properties

as far as damage or utility it isn't necessarily the best

[forest ice]

e.g. this "Whenever your combat spells Regenerate runes, your Magic level is boosted by 1 for 30 ticks (18s)"
if you regen a rune from attacking with a powered staff, is this^ pact activated?

[unkempt terrace]

Ice is only considered Water if you take the Pact that makes that so

[icy comet]

I guess mage is the best thing to do this league

[unkempt terrace]

@forest ice I think that's something that's going to need testing or Jmod confirmation

[icy comet]

So that means I have to change my areas

[unkempt terrace]

I would say yes because otherwise what's the use of having those pacts?

[small flower]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume they have the first 5 mage regen pact nodes working with power staves if you take the nodes that specifically make them regen a rune of that type

[unkempt terrace]

Would kinda make them useless

[small flower]

otherwise i don't think anything else will affect the power staves

[small flower]

exactly

[forest ice]

ok, because I cannot figure out that myself aswell. But some people are sure that pact does activate

[small flower]

i'm sure enough that i'm going to be making a mage that uses it

[unkempt terrace]

I'm banking on it does specifically since they added 1 of each

[forest ice]

then wording should be changed. cause other wording is very precise

[small flower]

and we do have tree respecs to use if it all goes sour

[worldly kindle]

Any guides out there for dragon trophy yet?

[forest ice]

or powered staff attacks should be defined as spell casts somewhere

[icy comet]

So I guess ima do water pact maxed and go for range with drygore bp

[unkempt terrace]

Spirit of the Law vs Letter of the Law

This is what I'm going with

https://tools.runescape.wiki/osrs-dps/

whoops

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=CavernRequestBrain

There we go

[small flower]

well, machines don't care as much about spirit there, so we're really hoping the guy who wrote it has the letter in mind.

[forest ice]

I like mtg so my approach with this is always - reading the card explains the card

[languid mauve]

it does activate, there are 2 nodes, 1 for spells, and 1 for "Powered staves/Wands" Both will activate, and if u have the other node, heal 1 hp

[forest ice]

ok, but now I'm just curious where it's said that powered staff attacks are combat spell casts

[languid mauve]

yeah, I was a level 2 Judge in Mtg, and alot of people read cards and dont read rules that are designed for said card l0l

[languid mauve]

oh thats not a thing, special attacks, are special attacks, they are not tied to the weapon

which is why things are lableed special attacks

[icy comet]

I guess going water mage pact route, I’ll go for wilderness, desert and probably tiranwnn. Thoughts?

[small flower]

I'm pretty sure this specifically was clarified by a jmod, but i agree, i wish they'd have written the node better

[languid mauve]

No?

If u go water mage, ur first region is Kanderin

anything else, dont go water mage if ur not going kanderin

[forest ice]

powered staff normal attacks, not special attacks

[icy comet]

Okay so kandarin desert and tiranwnn? That good?

[languid mauve]

what was the original question i'd be happy to clarify

[small flower]

sure, though tir isn't really needed, crystal armor is sorta mediocre autocast armor

[forest ice]

at least one player out of 2 seems to have read them, otherwise you'd not have to intervene 🙂

[small flower]

it's fine, side-grade from virtus

[icy comet]

I was gunna get BofA for the range pacts

[small flower]

ahh

that works too

[languid mauve]

well for water mage, virtus would be a good competitor, remember ice spells are now water spells, ice barrage, it's ancients so it gets 3% damage boost per piece

[forest ice]

does this
Whenever your combat spells Regenerate water runes, you're healed for 1 per rune regenerated
activate when you attack with mory echo weapon and you also have
Whenever you Regenerate charges from a powered staff or wand, also Regenerate 1 water rune

[small flower]

yea, that's what i mean, virtus is probably a better choice for accuracy, crystal would have .. slightly? better defenses and prayer

but if using surge it's same %damage

while barrage is clearly better with virtus

[icy comet]

Tiranwnn because easy ass tasks for points

[small flower]

yes

however idk if having over 100% regen will increase that or not

or if it's always 1

[languid mauve]

No, because the staff would need to be charged with Water runes to get the effect of generating water runes. if ur just auto attacking with that powered staff

[icy comet]

Okay so what would be a good 3rd region for water mage if I go kandarin and then desert. Thoughts boys?

[languid mauve]

it's charged with Body/Earth

so you would gain Earth/body runes on every attack

[icy comet]

Zeah?

[unkempt terrace]

No you wouldn't

[languid mauve]

assuming 100% regen ofc

[unkempt terrace]

You gain a charge

Not the runes

[languid mauve]

charge = increasing the runes in the staff

[forest ice]

those runes add a charge, and an attack uses a charge, not runes directly

[unkempt terrace]

You specifically take the node that says powered staffs regen 1 rune

[languid mauve]

so i.e gaining runes

[unkempt terrace]

Yeah but you're regening a charge.

You can turn the charges INTO runes

[icy comet]

Kandarin desert and zeah good for water mage boys? Thoughts?

[unkempt terrace]

by extracting

[forest ice]

so now you see why I'm not sure haha

[languid mauve]

right, and a charge is made up of the runes equal to the amount needed for 1 cast

[small flower]

ok i found it

[forest ice]

a cast needs a charge, not runes

[small flower]

and yes having higher regen does increase it

"Whenever your trident generates 1 charge and you have both the "regenerating and fire rune..." and the "whenever a powered staff regenerated a charge, it acts as if a fire rune was regenerated" pacts it will gain +1 damage. If your trident two charges by being above 100% regenerating and getting lucky then its +2 damage This works the same for all powered staves no matter the runes used. ⁠discussion⁠ and ⁠discussion⁠"

[languid mauve]

a charge comes form the runes

It's regenerating runes, which by definitely is gaining a charge. increasing the runes inside the staff

[unkempt terrace]

Charges and runes are 2 different things

[forest ice]

attack <-> charge <-> runes

[languid mauve]

that

thats what happens

[forest ice]

attack and runes are related as much as my bowfa is related to the gp i spent on the enh from ge

[icy comet]

@narth thoughts on kandarin desert and zeah for water mage.

[small flower]

I'm terrible at forwarding on discord

[languid mauve]

u can cast 50 times, and have 50 charges worth of more runes, assuming again 100% regen chance, then take out 50 charges worth of runes, and be back where u started on charges in staff and have extra runes in your inventory

[small flower]

but it's via a mod on the leagues discord under faq

[unkempt terrace]

Correct, but you have to take the charges out to get runes

So it doesn't regen in regards to a combat spell regening runes

It regens in regards to a charge

Which you can exchange for runes

[languid mauve]

unless it's specifically tweaked to not work that way, it will regen runes in a powered staff

[unkempt terrace]

It will not

[forest ice]

charge is the currency of an attack

not runes

[languid mauve]

well other 2 are perfectly fine, what are you trying to do in zeah>

[small flower]

the inherent staff charges don't trigger anything on the tree at all, only if it has the nodes that specifically regen an elemental rune of x type

in which case it will trigger the 4(5?) base nodes only, and will be affected by regen chance for boosting that

[languid mauve]

runes are creating that charge. u cannot have 1 without the other

thats why they have to be "charged" with runes

[icy comet]

Chambers is my raid. I can do all but I enjoy it a lot. And possible for ancestral

[languid mauve]

thats a good option, and what about desert?

[unkempt terrace]

Node specifically says, "Whenever you Regenerate charges from a powered staff or wand, also Regenerate 1 water rune"

Therefore charges regen seperate from runes

[icy comet]

I’ll do ToA as well. And MTA and stuff like that. Also I’m not taking grimoire so gunna need that ancients.

[unkempt terrace]

Also well as runes and charges being specified in Regeration

Also Regenerate says, "Regenerate: Whenever you use runes to cast a spell, fire ammunition from a ranged weapon or consume charges with a charged weapon there is a % chance to generate an additional resource spent."

"Runes to cast a Spell"

[small flower]

ah, i forgot about MTA, that sold me on asgarnia

[languid mauve]

well yeah that makes sense. kind of the small bind i'm in right now, not trying to be forced to pick a relic to make up a region or pick a region to make up a relic. and without desert/grim u kinda need to be 96 if u have access to lunars or 99 for spellbook swap so it makes sense

[small flower]

i'll spend 5 hours doing awakened whisper over getting full infinity

[languid mauve]

yeh fk that nightmare l0l

i'd rather bronze dagger phosani

[small flower]

just needed things in context, whisper ain't so bad now

[unkempt terrace]

I'm going K/Z/A

[icy comet]

Yeah true. I’m doing culling spree and reloaded for the new relic today

[unkempt terrace]

I think it's gonna be fun

[icy comet]

Or I won’t need it with water mage

[sweet fiber]

do we know if the devils element count as a shield (for thorn)

[small flower]

definitely won't need it

water will not only keep you full, it'll keep you at 180+ HP

[icy comet]

So then f desert 😂

[languid mauve]

pretty good options, are you dead set on water mage build or just fishing for idea

[unkempt terrace]

It's an offhand magic item

Not a shield

[sweet fiber]

sad... oh well

[icy comet]

No I’m set on it. So kandarin into zeah and need a 3rd so I’ll take grimoire

[small flower]

can always reload into culling from grimoire too

[languid mauve]

well you can go desert if u wanted, nothing wrong with that

[small flower]

unless you really want an earlier relic instead

ye

not like you have to do MTA

i do love ToA

[languid mauve]

if ur not taking fremmy or slayer relic, u could probably go Mory as a possible option

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/puke-vomit-nausea-nauseous-jim-carrey-gif-6414990571697035561

[icy comet]

Okay so ima do water mage. Kandarin and zeah. What’s a good 3rd area boys? @languid mauve @small flower

[sweet fiber]

well would have been fun to get the 2x elemental weakness to a torn mage

[unkempt terrace]

It depends on your playstyle

[languid mauve]

Fremmy/mory/desert but it depends what content u enjoy, playstyle like Merkel said and honestly just your goals

[small flower]

if you wanna just go for gear, wildy or fremm, otherwise whatever you wanna do for content

[languid mauve]

u could also just do a randomize for your 3rd region

if u can't decide

[small flower]

^

[languid mauve]

but reroll asgarnia

LOL

https://tenor.com/view/president-stops-president-smiles-ominous-smile-ominous-no-answer-gif-78197234359887585

[icy comet]

Lmfao bro said re roll asgarnia

[unkempt terrace]

I just picked Asgarnia because lots of bosses to kill lol

Also max treads

[icy comet]

Oh yeah max treads. And I get the eternal boots

[small flower]

and dogger

[languid mauve]

i was joking

Asgarnia is a reeally strong pick

[unkempt terrace]

Eternal Boots drop as completed from Hellhound

[languid mauve]

specially as a 3rd

if i had a wrath rune solve, i'd trade fremmy for Asgarnia

and go mory for 3rd

[unkempt terrace]

Transmute = Wrath Runes

[small flower]

you taking butler?

[icy comet]

My only thing is, will water mage hit stuff like trailblazer reloaded when I barrage everything or use trident until I get a shadow

[languid mauve]

i wont be going transmute

[unkempt terrace]

Oh shit really?

[languid mauve]

I specially don't want to pick a relic to counter something else

yeah transmute is a good option

but i'd rather go butler, to help with herblore and otyher misc needs

[unkempt terrace]

Trasmute solves a lot imo

[languid mauve]

wait actually

you might be right tho

because i was doing that with butler

[icy comet]

Am I going to be accurate with water mage. That’s the real question. Like can I barrage all the bosses in gwd or cerb and etc.

[small flower]

XD

[languid mauve]

i was trying to find fixed for what EH wont get

and transmute would do exactly that

[small flower]

well, butler is indeed good for herb/smith/con

[unkempt terrace]

Ye just EH everything then Trasmute what you get

ezpz

[small flower]

mine iron, transmute to runite, sell for tokkul, buy onyx

kill a cow, transmute to black dragonhide, have range armor

tho at T4 i dont think either of those will be an issue anyway XD

[unkempt terrace]

I'm going BG - Woodsman - Evil Eye - Trans - Larc - CS - Flow State - Minion

[icy comet]

I wish we had production master or shit

[unkempt terrace]

K/Z/A

[languid mauve]

what about tier 7 though

[small flower]

flow state

[languid mauve]

thats the last one i'm struggling with

[small flower]

is what he said

[languid mauve]

yea that doesn't do much

[small flower]

well, ye

[unkempt terrace]

7 -> Flow State

[languid mauve]

assuming tier 7 is hard like previous leagues by the time i reach tier 7 i'll be pushing 2k total

so it wont do much

[small flower]

7 feels more like a "whatever you want when you hit t7, grab it"

[unkempt terrace]

Because I don't care for skilling too much and it'll speed everything up imo

[icy comet]

I’m going BG, woodsman, evil eye, butlers bell, larcenist, culling spree into reloaded and grimoire and minion
Kandarin/zeah/asgarnia. water mage

[languid mauve]

i guess i can see what i'm struggling with

i will rarely need any potion for magic

maybe a spare prayer potion or something

[small flower]

if you're gonna be doing water surge i can't imagine you ever need prayer

[unkempt terrace]

"Whenever your combat spells Regenerate runes, your Magic level is boosted by 1 for 30 ticks (18s)"

No need for magic pots imo

[small flower]

maybe if you swap to ice barrage for something I guess

[languid mauve]

a lot of skills, not fully unsolved, but having difficulty finding good alts

I dont care about dragon cup, just trying to enjoy game as much as possible

[icy comet]

What yall think about my route boys?

I’m going BG, woodsman, evil eye, butlers bell, larcenist, culling spree into reloaded and grimoire and minion
Kandarin/zeah/asgarnia. water mage

Butlers bell cause I get eye surgery next Friday

[small flower]

fair reason to grab some afk resources

[languid mauve]

crafting can be solved with cutting gems so not worried about that

i have no real need for RC

[icy comet]

So butlers bell I just tell him to go mine and that’s it?

[unkempt terrace]

Narth, how are you able to post images

[languid mauve]

he just mines forever, until u tell him to stop

[icy comet]

What will he mine?

[unkempt terrace]

I tried and it just deletes it saying no link

lol

[icy comet]

Do I choose?

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/special-ralph-the-simpsons-football-gif-5491308

[small flower]

you choose the skill i think

[icy comet]

Or does he mine whatever

[small flower]

so you tell him to mine or mine/smelt

[icy comet]

I mean like what ores

[languid mauve]

na lol u just need to be silver rank or higher

[small flower]

and he'll give you "bars" or "ores"

[languid mauve]

sorry

Stell rank**

steel*

[unkempt terrace]

Ah so I assume just chat more?

[languid mauve]

ye

[unkempt terrace]

Where do I check my rank

[icy comet]

Perma does he randomly do ores or do I choose what shit to mine

[languid mauve]

right click ur own name > roles

[dusk wharf]

Are there death costs in leagues?

[languid mauve]

you're Bronze atm

[unkempt terrace]

F

[languid mauve]

shouldn't be, and pvp deaths are treated as pvm deaths regardless of where u are in pvp area

[short sphinx]

bonk bros

[small flower]

o, i'm steel

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/no-you're-not-no-youre-not-nope-dont-don’t-gif-3055925208046405504

[small flower]

wait, how much typing have i done in the last day

[unkempt terrace]

I mean, he has the steel tag

I just don't type much in this discord

[icy comet]

Keep typing perma 🤣 answer my question please lol 😂

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/not-stonks-profit-down-sad-frown-arms-crossed-gif-15684535

[icy comet]

This @small flower

[languid mauve]

yo

[short sphinx]

yo

[unique smelt]

The 80% strength is mage strength, have they said if that's rounded down or up?

[small flower]

that idk, the page on the wiki makes it seem like he'll give you a bunch of ores based on drop rates

[languid mauve]

he will do the specific task i.e Mining, and will you net you random ores with rarer ones having lower %

[small flower]

like you say go give me bars, and it's like kingdom management?

[languid mauve]

I think runite ore is 4.1% chance?

[small flower]

yea i think it was 1/25

[icy comet]

Ahhh okay

[small flower]

ish

[icy comet]

Yall are some beasts

[dusk wharf]

With crossbows dealing +70% damage, but are 2 ticks slow mean ruby (e) procs hit 170 or would 100 still be the cap on those?

[small flower]

better than what

[icy comet]

Ima have his ass work so I can recover from surgery. Mfer has taken a crap ton of money from me in the past. Damn butlers!

[small flower]

lol

[unkempt terrace]

I don't think Ruby Procs count as a max hit, it's an activated effect

[carmine grove]

Hmm

[languid mauve]

I think ruby bolts have special caps on them, so couldn't really tell you the answer to that. BUT if u were using Wildy KBD echo bow, u could potentially double ruby hit

[small flower]

no idea on the ruby procs, yea it's sort of its own thing

[icy comet]

Bro ruby procs make sure to do kandarin hard diary. Shit will be insane with all the procs

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/friday-deebo-tough-walk-up-friday-movie-gif-9659134867297004810

[small flower]

as a general rule i just kinda assume everything rounds down, that way i'm pleasantly surprised when it rounds in my favor

[dusk wharf]

Ooo that would be great

[unkempt terrace]

Narth, with my build, apparently I can solo CM Olm Head in under 24s

on average

[languid mauve]

tears run down the face not up

😄 l0l

[unkempt hollow]

For Thornes, is it only specifically if you have a shield, or just a shield slot equipped, like a Defender?

[languid mauve]

thats amazing

i hate cox

[small flower]

the thorn effect itself requires a shield

says so on the node

[icy comet]

Bro ima be recovering my eye surgery. Let him work. It’s payback from the old days.

[small flower]

the node that makes thorns and recoil do bonus damage based on defense values does not however

[unkempt terrace]

https://dps.osrs.wiki/?id=WhipBucklerFiyr

This is my loadout and pacts

[small flower]

so you could be tanky with echo boots/suffering and still recoil 15's or something

[toxic vortex]

I need to play with the DPS calc later

Finalize my build

[gloomy coral]

Do we know if Lithic sceptre spec works with the "special attacks have a 20% chance to not consume any energy"?

[small flower]

it doesn't use special attack energy, so i would guess not

[languid mauve]

the originating effect that grants you thorns, requires you to have a shield equipped

without a shield equipped, you do not have thorns

[wary egret]

Will shadowflame double proc earth buff & debuff pacts?

[languid mauve]

and a shield is a shield, not an offhand, can't equip a book and all of a sudden have thorns

[languid mauve]

u mean, full damage, then 40% of said full damage? on paper it should

[lapis flax]

shields are offhands, but offhands are not shields

just to be specific

[languid mauve]

what he said

[wary egret]

Yeah like does the 40% cast also debuff shield and buff my def level

[languid mauve]

ohh debuff part? that i dont know

[lapis flax]

shields will trigger the nodes that say offhands, but the nodes that say shield will only be triggered by shields, not defenders, not books, not the devils element etc

[small flower]

that one does say on hit

so it shouldn't matter that the hit is not from a cast

i would think it does

[languid mauve]

and not jesus

[small flower]

aw man

throwing builds really did get shafted

"Chinchompas do regenerate"

[forest ice]

what about shieldbows

[wary egret]

Kinda big. Start fight with a few earth casts to tear down defenses and build some own defense. Then switch to water to overheal and cycle between fire

[unkempt hollow]

Squares and Rectangles. Got it 🙂

[lapis flax]

squares, rectangles, and 5 sided kites

[languid mauve]

i've been planning so much that i haven't played osrs in like 5 days been playing roblox l0l

[lapis flax]

i have a tormented demons task that ive only done like 60 kills of in the last 5 days 🤣

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-what-huh-confused-shocked-gif-24485219

[lapis flax]

https://giphy.com/gifs/BlackRosesPlayingCards-cat-meme-surprise-GRk3GLfzduq1NtfGt5

[forest ice]

[dusk wharf]

Is blowpipe considered a thrown weapon?

[small flower]

yes

[lapis flax]

yea

[gloomy coral]

yeah

[dusk wharf]

thx

[small flower]

the atlatl too

[languid mauve]

u throw the blowpipe

it's a 1 use weapon

lol

[lapis flax]

the reveal video for the echo items showed drygore working with thrown tree

[languid mauve]

and Husky confirmed it too

[lapis flax]

ye

[icy comet]

I have been preparing like crazy I ended up in Miami with the lady for the ufc fights.

[gloomy coral]

yea

[forest ice]

and then you regenerate it

[lapis flax]

it has the thrown icon on the combat style choose menu

[languid mauve]

exactly u get it

[lapis flax]

infinite money glitch

[small flower]

so you're duping blowpipes, i see i see

[icy comet]

Screw throwing the blowpipe. Ima start throwing my chanclas 🩴

[forest ice]

those who know know. gotta read them pacts carefully

[gloomy coral]

I wanna try to find a good lithic build but whouf, it's rough.

[icy comet]

I believe!!

[gloomy coral]

I was HOPING the spec refund thing would work with it, but I dont think it will.

[lapis flax]

im going melee (for fun i know its not the best dps) but ill be using the lithic scpter with 1 tick powered staves just for nylo room in tob

[dusk wharf]

What 3 areas people going with?

[small flower]

just go mory/tir, desert or wildy for last, probably hybrid into thorns should be good to go

[unkempt terrace]

I'm going K/Z/A

[icy comet]

https://tenor.com/view/gosh-napoleon-napoleon-dynamite-gif-5699289

[lapis flax]

Tir/mory and probably frem but im considering taking kandarin instead since the only things in frem that i might use is the magus ring

[icy comet]

Stop copying me always goshhhhh

[dusk wharf]

Which one is Z?

[icy comet]

Zeah

[unkempt terrace]

Zeah

[gloomy coral]

So what, Mory, Asgarn, trianwynn?
Use lithic scepter to get spec back, and when its back, run into melee, spend lithic stacks, swap to dog dagger, spend those, then run back out in full crystal armor with the crystal blessing?

[icy comet]

Good choices broge

[unkempt terrace]

@icy comet What's your build looking like?

[lapis flax]

naw im going bluetooth hally bliundbag

[small flower]

wildy gets you arcane/cape, desert gets you ward/shadowring
and yea, kandarin is occult/suffering/ardycape, would pick up rando shield i guess

[icy comet]

Water mage bro

[languid mauve]

that GG powered staff makes me wanna dual spec into powered staves and water magic, just for the special attack lol

[small flower]

or just not do thorns and dont worry about that at all

[lapis flax]

i could take assgarnia instead of fremmy

[forest ice]

Eckhulllyy Zeah is both Kourend and Varlamore

[unkempt terrace]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=GowerTestamentMade This is mine

Will be going Water Surge for heals

[lapis flax]

idk havent really settled on a third area yet

[icy comet]

Literally similar here bro but I’m doing ancients

Ice barrage

[unkempt terrace]

I personally don't think Grimoire is worth taking for our regions

[languid mauve]

what regions u going again

[unkempt terrace]

K/Z/A

[lapis flax]

i was gonna reload into grim but i think im reloading into infinite food

[icy comet]

Well idk where I’m gunna get my wrath runes

[languid mauve]

ohh zeah for cox duh

[icy comet]

With my relics

[unkempt terrace]

Yeah

[languid mauve]

I'm going Grim, and may reload into other stuff, but it depends on my mage level

[icy comet]

I’m going BG, woodsman, evil eye, butlers bell, larcenist, culling spree into reloaded and grimoire and minion
Kandarin/zeah/asgarnia. water mage that’s me @unkempt terrace

[unkempt terrace]

You're not taking transmute?

[languid mauve]

if i reach 99 magic before i reach Grim relic tier

[unkempt terrace]

Bruddah

[languid mauve]

then i got no use for grim

[unkempt terrace]

You're throwing

lol

[languid mauve]

he has a reason tho

[icy comet]

But if I take transmute I gotta go endlessly harvest then

[languid mauve]

he's getting eye surgery

[unkempt terrace]

No you don't

[languid mauve]

go punch trees for a week man

[unkempt terrace]

I'm going transmute and taking BG

[languid mauve]

and have butler help u

EH/hotfoot all the way 😄

[icy comet]

Yeah but leagues comes out Wednesday and my surgery is Friday lol 😂

[languid mauve]

Tuesday

[unkempt terrace]

BG - Woodsman - Evil Eye - Trans - Larc - CS - Flow - Minion

[lapis flax]

im taking transmute with abundance 🤣 im just going for fun so idc about solving fishing and mining and woodcutting, and the plus 10 levels let me do tasks earlier so i can focus on combat more

[unkempt terrace]

Might reload into something else though

[icy comet]

Okay so let’s say I take transmute.

[unkempt terrace]

Yeah

[languid mauve]

i'm going to re-evalutate my current situation at each relic unlock and adjust from there

[icy comet]

Then keep everything the same

[unkempt terrace]

mhmm

[icy comet]

And reloaded for butler

[unkempt terrace]

Would be baller

[lapis flax]

why combat styler u using mostly?

what*

[unkempt terrace]

Mage

[icy comet]

I’m going BG, woodsman, evil eye, butlers bell, larcenist, culling spree into reloaded and grimoire and minion
Kandarin/zeah/asgarnia. water mage

So the take butler first and then switch grimoire out for transmute or go transmute and then butler?

Yeah magebro

[unkempt terrace]

Transmute first 100%

[lapis flax]

so you are taking grim for ancients?

you already have zeah for the prayers

[unkempt terrace]

Then reload into Butler

[lapis flax]

and kandarin

[icy comet]

I was but that’s cause I was gunna not take transmute because of wrath runes I might take transmute now

[unkempt terrace]

No need for Ancients with Kandarin Echo items

Transmute also helps solve Herblore

[languid mauve]

yeah but freezing people is still nice

[lapis flax]

transmute for wrath runes and dont take grim i think is much better

[languid mauve]

and depending on gear, ice barrage will do more damage

[unkempt terrace]

via seeds into better seeds

[lapis flax]

then use surge spells with the kandarin echo items

[fringe charm]

Hi

[icy comet]

Okay sec. Lemme fix this and thoughts

[lapis flax]

as people have said

[languid mauve]

hello

[golden token]

Endless harvest
Hotfoot
Evil eye
Butlers bell
Larcenist
Culling spree
Reloaded
Conniving clues (unless trans turns out to be OP)

[icy comet]

I’m going BG, woodsman, evil eye, transmute, larcenist, culling spree into reloaded and butlers bell and minion
Kandarin/zeah/asgarnia. water mage
Better?

[lapis flax]

also remember, with regenerate, you technically only need 1 wrath rune,

[unkempt terrace]

Yeah looks good to me

[languid mauve]

almost what im;' going, except i'm going Map of alacrity, what regions did u pick?

what's going on?

[unkempt terrace]

Everything I see, Alacrity looks pretty poo poo stinky

[icy comet]

@unkempt terrace pm you

[fringe charm]

Am kinda new to this

[unkempt terrace]

Might be better for other areas

go for it

[languid mauve]

well this is a great place to ask leagues specific questions

plenty of people here to help you

[lapis flax]

its quite good depending on regions, but if your goal is bossing then i think its just worse

[golden token]

Pretty sure Im going kourend, mory, tir
Or kourend, tir asg

[languid mauve]

oh what combat style?

[dusk wharf]

This is my first leagues and i don't have much experience with high level PvM but I really like ranged
I am thinking Kourend/Desert, not sure of third
I can then try farm the echo shortbow, drygore blowpipe, masori and venator ring

[languid mauve]

melee?