It really depends on whether it's a 0.5 then 0.25 then 0.125 or a 0.5 then 0.25 then 0.25 then 0.25
#leagues-general
junior phoenix
tacit oyster
water pacts increase king's barrage damage on wiki dps calc, if jagex greenlighted that then there is no double ammo echo procs but it does benefit from water damage amps
cursive edge
each subsequent self echo proc remains a 25% chance
no, we're both assuming it remains at 25%, and husky has confirmed that is the case
junior phoenix
Hmm right
cursive edge
0.275 + 0.275x0.25 + 0.275x0.25^2 + 0.275x0.25^3 + 0.275x0.25^4 = 0.36666
and for the 0.5x0.25 one it = 0.6666
junior phoenix
Yeah actually it probably is that, after all
cursive edge
But also yeah youre 100% right the 38% water dmg wont apply to echoes. Husky has said 'echoes are their own thing', and not attacks from the weapon that caused them
junior phoenix
Mhm
wary egret
Any thoughts on which one seems better?
Water/fire mage & kcb or water/thorns & kcb
cursive edge
i guess 1 echo per shot, and ignoring the water dmg mode first, the echos have same max hit as your crossbow, but dont guarantee max hit
junior phoenix
King's barrage is definitely looking very nice either way. Not quite as good as I was hoping
cursive edge
So they contribute 50% more dps
1 extra shot that does half as much dmg as the always max hitting crossbow shot
junior phoenix
Not much point taking thorns with kcb given that it's a 2h cbwo
cursive edge
so i have 24 dps base, echoes adding 12 more. 1.19 mult applies to 24, so (24*1.19 + 12) and then x1.06 to account for the bit of range str missing. 43 dps all up
tacit oyster
i think kings barrage with water nodes will end up about same as zcb if you include zcb specs
grave pollen
So does a reset allow you to do the tasks to get more pact points? I am just having a hard time understanding it.
junior phoenix
Wym zcb specs are awful
wary egret
Not much point taking thorns with kcb given that it's a 2h cbwo
Kcb would be secondary, water mage primary
cursive edge
43 dps with around 10hp/sec healing
junior phoenix
Zcb spec gives you a 110 hit
cursive edge
is very good
junior phoenix
Standard hits are like 97
I'm getting a little less dps starting with a 56 max hit
tacit oyster
Wym zcb specs are awful
+32% damage on the spec, you use onyx bolts not the terrible ruby bolts
tropic mantle
So does a reset allow you to do the tasks to get more pact points? I am just hav...
You just get the points you spent back
cursive edge
stone prairie
No echo Yama so sad 🙁
junior phoenix
Okay great you get an extra 30 damage every 4 minutes
small flower
that calc needs a toggle for showing echoes
cursive edge
But i'd realistically go kourend I think over kandarin, to get rigour without needing to reload
junior phoenix
But without kandarin you're stuck using only the kcb for everything, no way you can use plain old water sustain
cursive edge
void is a bit more dps vs lower defense stuff, but i'd rather have another raid and more dmg vs giga tank stuff
not sure what you mean
10hp/sec is already a ridiculous amount
small flower
that does still look really solid in general
tacit oyster
Okay great you get an extra 30 damage every 4 minutes
yes and dragon claw build also speccing only once every 4minutes with this logic 
junior phoenix
Yeah but like if you want to mage, or do anything without massive overkill you're fairly stuck
cursive edge
def wouldnt go mage on this setup
pure water mage is meme
and no points for air or fire
but yeah the overkill is the main drawback
but i think by the time the build is fully online
im just doin big bosses anyway?
junior phoenix
yes and dragon claw build also speccing only once every 4minutes with this logic...
What do you mean? That makes 0 sense. D claw build does specs more because of the nodes that get you spec. Those nodes don't get you spec with the zcb
cursive edge
not killin hill giants with my KCB
junior phoenix
Yeah but you literally have nothing to kill anything small
cursive edge
yeah but like, while im training slayer lets say
my max hits are gonna be in the 50s probably
small flower
you do get 2% per wit ha cb
cursive edge
so thats fine
junior phoenix
Baba room, for instance
small flower
and you.. .might? get it from echoes?
cursive edge
ok ive never done ToA in my life to be fair lol
junior phoenix
O 2% per hit with crossbow? Mkay fair enough
cursive edge
done plenty of the other raids
small flower
XD
tacit oyster
2% per hit and 20% chance to not consume spec energy, double death charge, flask
small flower
if that counts in the "with any style" echoes might actually make it decent
cursive edge
i could put a few points into thrown stuff i guess
have some dragon darts
drygore bp
junior phoenix
Alright fair enough but at a 75% spec cost you aren't raising the dps more than 1-2
That's solid
Going all in on one build is risky, particularly if you don't know all the content
tacit oyster
Alright fair enough but at a 75% spec cost you aren't raising the dps more than...
yes that is all it needs to match king's barrage with water tree buffing half the shot damage
small flower
yea, no arguements there, I'm hoping it does work with BB+Echoes, would make the tecpatl plan a bit better
cursive edge
Going all in on one build is risky, particularly if you don't know all the conte...
im still tossing it up between this, and my powered staves-only thornser 😛
im leaning towards the powered staff build tho
totally opposite playstyles lol
small flower
honestly sang thorn tank sounds like a fun mix
cursive edge
1t attacks vs 7t attacks
tho both have lots of healing
5.5hp/sec with sang build, 10hp/sec with kcb
small flower
OR, negative HP/sec with blood moon BBEcho spec spam!
cursive edge
whats doin dmg to you?
small flower
me
junior phoenix
yes that is all it needs to match king's barrage with water tree buffing half th...
Eh I mean fair enough. I don't think it being 1-2 behind is really enough to matter either way
cursive edge
ah
small flower
i'll probably just end up doing the tecpatl with tirranwyn for crystal armor or something equally weird
cursive edge
yes that is all it needs to match king's barrage with water tree buffing half th...
kcb is +4 range str over zcb + buckler. And then around 12.5% more dps from the 38% water damage. How does zcb compete with it? Like actually curious
wide veldt
I really dont want to take Nature's accord in my reloaded relic, but I feel like I need it mainly for transport to fair rings and such
cursive edge
Dont mean it in a rhetorical sense lol, im just surprised
small flower
most teleports have something somewhat close to a fairy ring
you could just carry around the dramen staff
wary egret
tacit oyster
kcb is +4 range str over zcb + buckler. And then around 12.5% more dps from the ...
+5 ranged str from the off hand pact, so zcb + buckler is +1 over king's barrage. checking my build and the +1 actually gives max hit, so that might explain why kings barrage without water tree is worse
wide veldt
omg I just remembered something nvm! XD
cursive edge
+5 ranged str from the off hand pact, so zcb + buckler is +1 over king's barrage...
i see, tho with water tree kcb wins hard right?
small flower
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-101-112-113-114-117-118-119-...
what regions?
cursive edge
I guess zcb leaves open the possibilty of thorns or putting more pts into thrown/bows
tacit oyster
i see, tho with water tree kcb wins hard right?
with water tree its better if you dont count specs
wary egret
what regions?
Zeah kandarin wildy
cursive edge
right but zcb specs arent giving 12.5% more dps
to match what water tree gives kcb
are they?
junior phoenix
Yeah I mean regular crossbow+thorns is gonna win by a mile
small flower
so planning on having a tank switch? since devils wont do anything for thorns
cursive edge
idk about mile
wary egret
so planning on having a tank switch? since devils wont do anything for thorns
Why not? It’s an offhand
small flower
it's not a shield
junior phoenix
Thorns is generally around 10dps against most bosses+aoe
small flower
thorns specifies "shield" not "offhand"
cursive edge
at 43 dps, losing the 12.5% boost from water its 38.2 dps. So thorns has to give 4.8+ to beat it
not on a range build
def not 10 dps
small flower
going wildy you can make use of any of the corp shields just fine
junior phoenix
So we go from like 38vs43 to 43vs48
cursive edge
10 dps is on a full torva dfs build
tacit oyster
right but zcb specs arent giving 12.5% more dps
oh i think the overhealing for ranged str doesnt work in wiki with water healing, that would make it better
junior phoenix
You can use the suffering for free too don't forget
cursive edge
full torva dfs, thorns hits for 27, which is 9dps vs a typical 5t boss
small flower
would be good I think, just dont expect to use the devils element for tanking
wary egret
thorns specifies "shield" not "offhand"
Oh I see. Yeah could be arcane shield then
cursive edge
in masori and buckler and shit, its hitting for maybe 15, so 5 dps on a 5t boss
junior phoenix
The recoil from echo boots and suffering shouldn't be ignored, especially when it comes to lower defence setups
small flower
could keep devils with you and pop it on for that extra dps where you need it
cursive edge
ok fair enough
other upside is you can use thorns to finish off mobs your crossbow didnt KO
in multicombat at least
small flower
sounds pretty good overall though, triple recoil/thorns, fire is great aoe and nice damage, water keeps you alive
junior phoenix
Thorns doesn't work everywhere, but where it does work, it generally makes its builds top tier
latent oracle
I'm sad there's no salamander build, are there any other fun weird builds that are a little more out there? I like whacky builds Instead of the typical full cross bow / blind bag / elemental spells?
cursive edge
but i think the 10 healing/sec from kcb cant be ignored
less eating for one, so more dps there
small flower
I'm sad there's no salamander build, are there any other fun weird builds that a...
blue moon!
junior phoenix
No, absolutely, that's why I think kcb is still very competitive
copper gorge
So what t6 yall doin
cursive edge
with kcb healing you can skip doom blue shield phases lel
just let him explode at you
only hits 99s
and ou have 189 hp
easy
small flower
I'm sad there's no salamander build, are there any other fun weird builds that a...
blue moon gets you tribrid with never switching! blindbags, melee range, ranged echos, undead grasp gets 12+ damage from fire rune regen
tacit oyster
wait im now even more confused... overheal does work but have to manually insert the number. Then why did king's barrage get damage boost when i turned on the ice = water spell without adding extra max hp 
split olive
For the pact where max hit from 3 tiles away, your next hit from a different style deals 25% damage. Would a max hit from a range echo trigger it as range style?
tacit oyster
ah the base +20% from 99 hp, that one isnt overheal
small flower
yea
cursive edge
wait im now even more confused... overheal does work but have to manually insert...
weird, when i set hp to 189/99 nothing changes dps wise
small flower
For the pact where max hit from 3 tiles away, your next hit from a different sty...
I am hoping this is the case, if it isn't, i'll be sad, and need to respec
cursive edge
oh..
tacit oyster
the overheal ranged str does not work still
cursive edge
because i have no KCB selected
have they added it yet?
still got zcb/buckler
to simulate
cursive edge
ah they do!
small flower
king's ballista
tacit oyster
yeah about that
junior phoenix
Is this all with culling spree?
cursive edge
so should be like 44 or 45.. maybe they made the same mistake of applying the 38% water dmg to echoes xd
no culling spree
junior phoenix
Hmm how? I'm getting <40
cursive edge
yeah so ticking the ice spells node
brings it from
36.927 to 43.483
a 17.7% boost
junior phoenix
cursive edge
so its applying it to the echo dmg too
junior phoenix
It might make sense if echos from the ice bolt go off the max hit
Aha. No. Still <42dps
cursive edge
junior phoenix
Void gets it over 45 lmao
small flower
you both wearin 4 regions worth of gear XD
but i guess (f) doesn't actually matter on the masori
cursive edge
4 regions?
small flower
it does affect the treads tho
cursive edge
Desert, Wildy, Kandarin
small flower
asgarnia desert wildy kandarin
cursive edge
no asgarnia
cursive edge
ahhh
small flower
are asgarnia
cursive edge
whoops forgot to take off the max treads
small flower
😛
small flower
yea the masor dont matter
junior phoenix
There we go
cursive edge
nah those are huey
lmao
the 1 range str from boots might not matter when adding in the missing +9 range str from tree
small flower
they just look similar
i think the difference is probably just a 1% ranged damage node and some accuracy
nocturne seal
Does anyone know if the Crystal blessing applies the effect without crystal armor equipped?
cursive edge
Void gets it over 45 lmao
yeah, but my logic was i'd rather have another raid region to whack my 400s in, and masori is better dps vs tankier stuff
and still very close vs less tanky stuff
small flower
yea that's what it is
cursive edge
but tbf void is much easier to get, so there's that
but who wants to hit their max gear so quickly 🙂
cursive edge
Does anyone know if the Crystal blessing applies the effect without crystal armo...
i dont belive it does
would be broke as shit if it did
small flower
Does anyone know if the Crystal blessing applies the effect without crystal armo...
not sure what you mean, both effects involve the armor itself
junior phoenix
Wilderness, kandarin, asgarnia is definitely a fun thought
No raid region isn't too bad
Particularly with nex - that basically replaces an entire raid
cursive edge
you'd def reach insane power like the fastest of any build
small flower
nex and goofing off in the wildy is fun enough
junior phoenix
It is my speedrun build so I may do that
cursive edge
venator ring lost
small flower
honestly KW alone would make an early water mage setup pretty nutty
wary egret
Eternal sustenance probably most sweet for Blindbag builds
wary egret
Just do 20 heavy weapons
nocturne seal
not sure what you mean, both effects involve the armor itself
The wording leads to believe otherwise "The crystal armor bonuses for Accuracy and Damage apply to all melee weapons and magic powered staves whilst equipped" Meaning while the blessing is equipped. Wondering if you could use the cryustal blessing with Vi's helm for bonus
junior phoenix
Lmao
cursive edge
The wording leads to believe otherwise "The crystal armor bonuses for Accuracy ...
this existed last league and you had to have the armour equipped im quite sure
small flower
I can see the mix up, but yes , it only applies to when you're wearing the crystal armor
cursive edge
I didn't go Tirranwn but some1 can easily confirm?
junior phoenix
Culling spree, void, zarytes, 51.9dps
Ye you needed the armour on
I did tirn last league
nocturne seal
All well back to the drawling board
junior phoenix
Oh nvm, no zarytes
cursive edge
yeah 51.9 dps with culling spree for AWK
plus a couple more from 9 range str missing lol
so 53+
and around 50 with DWK
but vs anything with some defence theyll even out or DWK will win
junior phoenix
Quite like the idea of doing gwd with that setup too
Yeah but the accuracy is insane
cursive edge
dps is equal on kree
small flower
1 second gwd boss kills sound fun tho
cursive edge
yeah tbf vs most shit void does win
so it just comes down to if you want gwd or toa
junior phoenix
Even against nex, void only loses by like 1% against masori
cursive edge
maybe AWK can respec to a whole diff dagger build too?
junior phoenix
True, that too
cursive edge
W doesnt really offer much for dagger build
K gives suffering but thats all
well unless ur doin ur dagger mage thing
mint cargo
cant decide if I want to do one account for mage and one for melee or try to play both on one
brazen mortar
with the resets, you wont have to make a new account if you wanna try out another combat spec
small flower
huh
oh wait, you were saying dagger dps calc is counting 100% proc
nvm
i was about to say, 41 dps with nothing but melee setup sounds solid
junior phoenix
with the resets, you wont have to make a new account if you wanna try out anothe...
You will if you want to try out 10 different specs across every region
junior phoenix
i was about to say, 41 dps with nothing but melee setup sounds solid
It still settled around 45dps, if you include thorns]
small flower
also you only get 3
tacit oyster
i guess the main difference between zcb and king barrage is that zcb can put more points into accuracy for things like whisperer, vard, sol, yama which evens the dps out
mint cargo
I guess with 3 different builds you can start on whichever has the best early game scaling, then try out the other two and use your last respec to swap back to whichever you liked the most
tough finch
is obby dagger thorns light weapons busted for early prog
cursive edge
with the resets, you wont have to make a new account if you wanna try out anothe...
well only if youre strategic about the region choices
tacit oyster
on low defence targets king's barrage with water tree is better
fickle pine
is obby dagger thorns light weapons busted for early prog
if you build around the accuracy loss, absolutely
nocturne seal
With the shadowflame quadrant, if it counts as infinite runes, does that mean you would never Regenerate the runes? Makling most of the magic tree useless?
small flower
that'd probably be a really nice <20 point start yea
tough finch
seems really really really strong for how many pts it takes and how easy the gear is to get
cursive edge
i guess the main difference between zcb and king barrage is that zcb can put mor...
though, in principle KCB could simply do the same tree and skip water?
+1 range str for 1 extra pt invested is no advantage for the ZCB
if anything its worse if that 1 pt could be a 1% range str node
fickle pine
seems really really really strong for how many pts it takes and how easy the gea...
it for sure is. best part is, the combat experience you get from it
junior phoenix
Nah, even with max accuracy buffs zcb loses hard to kcb even against awakened whisperer
small flower
do you get xp from thorns?
tacit oyster
though, in principle KCB could simply do the same tree and skip water?
well kcb kinda doesnt want the spec pacts from melee side that give most of the extra accuracy
fickle pine
do you get xp from thorns?
only one way to find out
cursive edge
well kcb kinda doesnt want the spec pacts from melee side that give most of the ...
sure, but nothing stopping you simply taking the same tree regardless
and being on equal footing
its only thorns that differentiates the two really
junior phoenix
sure, but nothing stopping you simply taking the same tree regardless
The lack of points from going into mage does
cursive edge
i cant see zcb spec being impactful
cursive edge
The lack of points from going into mage does
i meant that you can always skip mage and take identical tree. Since his argument was that the zcb has an advantage in some situations by having more accuracy
but its not anything inehrent to the zcb
just how you chose to spec the tree
cursive edge
I'm keen to mage sol with my powered staff bonanza gear lmao
junior phoenix
But then so does rune crossbow
tacit oyster
sure, but nothing stopping you simply taking the same tree regardless
would make it about same dps with slight modification by removing 2 useless points and putting them into useful spots
junior phoenix
Sol is gonna be a little nasty given how few people take (good) melee, how little sustain melee has, and how ridiculusly tanky he is to everything else
cursive edge
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=PrisonersFossilBelt 11.5 sol DPS with mage, not too bad
I think my thorns would do nothing right
cause you dont even cop 0's
just reflect 3x when he does his parry thing
junior phoenix
Yep
cursive edge
solid chance i go minion tho
junior phoenix
Well, except for if/when you make mistakes
cursive edge
lmao ye
junior phoenix
Then you can reflect the full thorns
tacit oyster
it also depends if thorns even procs on the sol attacks or are they considered environment damage (for shield and spear slams)
junior phoenix
Given that he only has 1500hp, going in on 188hp and tanking like 6 hits is pretty insane
It's possible it won't count yes
cursive edge
This is what I did Sol in on my varlamore uim
hollow umbra
Tier 6 is looking a little sad but that gives me plenty of opportunity to make Slayer easier on myself lol
fickle pine
Food perk works great with Thorns
twin ermine
I have my eyes set on a dinhs thorns blindbag build, I don’t really want to spend my league farming points in gwd so I’m thinking about skipping torva and just going to Tir for crystal armor. Lose defense but gain damage and accuracy, what do you guys think? Other zones would zeah and mory
hollow umbra
zeah/mory/tir looks solid
languid mauve
Food perk works great with Thorns
Hey thats absolutely true. You can just main food kawambwan to survive almost anything
hollow umbra
combo food karambwan angler all day
languid mauve
Yee
fickle pine
Hey thats absolutely true. You can just main food kawambwan to survive almost an...
battles may take longer, but you do not die ever. probably could out heal Jad with the right build
twin ermine
Success is high but fun sounds low
fickle pine
Success is high but fun sounds low
^ couldnt agree more with that
hollow umbra
from my experience I found corrupted shark to feel tedious
lifesteal is a lot more satisfying to heal on
fickle pine
like fighting against a recover team in pokemon
languid mauve
battles may take longer, but you do not die ever. probably could out heal Jad wi...
Well if ur not using orayer no unless u could eat faster
twin ermine
It not working on potions takes a lot away from it
fickle pine
I heard someone made a dope af prayer build
hollow umbra
I think it's good for people who are either abusing thorns or not confident in managing resources for inferno/colosseum
languid mauve
True
toxic vortex
battles may take longer, but you do not die ever. probably could out heal Jad wi...
Husky said he ran a dins build and attempted the 6 jad challenge without touching his mouse. He got through 5 of the jads without any input
twin ermine
Losing 15% damage and accuracy on everything feels rough trade off
Don’t need to eat if you just kill it
hollow umbra
sometimes I think about the dins build but I don't wanna run double raid regions
languid mauve
Well he had to bop the healers
toxic vortex
Hard pass on double raid
languid mauve
But yeah it looks like fun
fickle pine
Husky said he ran a dins build and attempted the 6 jad challenge without touchin...
how do you think he built that build?
toxic vortex
He didn't show it specifically but yeah just the Uber tank build
But yeah, he didn't eat any food
twin ermine
sometimes I think about the dins build but I don't wanna run double raid regions
The more I think about it you can skip mory p easily, but I think it would be fun to take that build into tob and I’d like a nally for easy accessibility blindbag
hollow umbra
friend of mine is doing a ranged thorns build and it looks cozy and strong
max crossbow hits + shield and thorns
hollow umbra
The more I think about it you can skip mory p easily, but I think it would be fu...
I feel this but im coping on chally instead of nox
I did Mory last leagues I just need some variety
boreal imp
with the evil eye relic are there any bosses that are extremely close to a bank as is
small flower
The more I think about it you can skip mory p easily, but I think it would be fu...
could go asgarnia instead, get torva, your BB can be just a bunch of godswords
twin ermine
I feel this but im coping on chally instead of nox
Nox, SRA, scythe x3 vs
SRA, Chally, charged scythe, uncharged scythe, bludgeon ig?
hollow umbra
echo boppers
small flower
he retired
hollow umbra
just remembered that I have glove slot filled with my regions
I wonder how many won't have anything for it
brazen zephyr
can you catch chins in tirannwn without picking kandarin for box traps/eagles peak?
hollow umbra
can you catch chins in tirannwn without picking kandarin for box traps/eagles pe...
chins also exist in varlemore
languid mauve
We all have chins
hollow umbra
I believe eagles is auto unlocked
languid mauve
twin ermine
I think my armor is
Crystal set + blessing
Rancour
Dinhs
Ferocious
Ultor
Treads
hollow umbra
crystal dinhs sounds funny
next dock
Tier 2 and 4 relics are such hard choices
twin ermine
crystal dinhs sounds funny
It does more melee dps than oathplate without thorns, you lose some thorns damage though but w/e
languid mauve
Justiciar would still be top armor
hollow umbra
Tier 2 and 4 relics are such hard choices
depends how you wanna get production skills done I feel
twin ermine
It’s like 19.8 vs 20.1
latent magnet
Eternal sustenance won't count for Guthix rests right
hollow umbra
higher defense can lead to a lot more damage with thorns
fickle pine
honestly, inf food is great for wave based content as well. Fire cave, inferno, colosseum and doom. it gives out great sustain
hollow umbra
inf food isn't useless but if you pick Kourend you may as well use your healing bow in most cases
twin ermine
higher defense can lead to a lot more damage with thorns
Yeah torva would go sick nasty but gwd isn’t my favorite
fickle pine
a moonlight antelope is basically a free antipoison
latent magnet
honestly, inf food is great for wave based content as well. Fire cave, inferno, ...
Yeah but you also have relic sustain which makes it unnecessary
languid mauve
higher defense can lead to a lot more damage with thorns
Well justiciar also has a flat 15% damage reduction
languid mauve
a moonlight antelope is basically a free antipoison
Anti venom*
hollow umbra
im talking about the pact where 0s lead to big damage
languid mauve
😄
fickle pine
Anti venom*
true
hollow umbra
I just remembered that I will have maniacal monkeys this year
Kandarin stonks are going up
languid mauve
twin ermine
The max range for non-halberd melee is 2, right?
hollow umbra
seems so
fickle pine
The max range for non-halberd melee is 2, right?
for that 1 perk, yeah only works with halberds
cursive edge
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=GreataxeZoneDust
man, dps isnt as good as pure dagger or pure sang staff... but the playstyle of this seems giga fun. 1 way switch hybrid build with 2t melee 1t mage, full spec bar every 30s
Asgarnia, Mory, Tirranwn
note its got graardor configured, so chicken dps is a lot higher. But also dagger is showing 25% more dps than it really gives
fickle pine
why put crush attack on the dogger?
cursive edge
and theres around 5-6 thorns dps on top for both melee/mage
cursive edge
why put crush attack on the dogger?
wdym?
its set to slash
doesnt even have a crush option
fickle pine
like in it's attack bonus
cursive edge
jagex like to meme
molten gust
Searching Dogger on the wiki will pull you to the Fang of the Hound. XD
cursive edge
honestly i think im gonna just do this hybrid build ive cooked up
it looks so fun
be like a bee
tacit oyster
Searching Dogger on the wiki will pull you to the Fang of the Hound. XD
yeah they link to common searches, same with bowfa
stiff hinge
you can just add redirects. there's nothing stopping you
languid mauve
sorry wall of text incoming, I know not Everyone is in the leagues official discord, but this is what Mod Husky said that i truly believe most of you should understand so u dont kill urself over math
small flower
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=GreataxeZoneDust
man, dps isnt as good as pure dagger ...
basically what i seem to be leaning towards
but 2h version
languid mauve
JagexHusky Yesterday at 12:05 PM
I am not going to be able to answer everyone's specific questions about pact interactions with specific weapons in the discussion channel.
The information is easily lost
It's not even likely this goes to the people working on the DPS calculators anyway
For the most part I feel like it's satisfying someone's curiosity more than actually clarifying something useful for the community
Instead we'll try out best to work with the OSRS Wiki DPS calculator developers to try and identify any issues once they've fixed what they already know they need to fix. At the end of the day I'd probably not advise, planning your builds around what is the highest DPS for your own sanity anyway.
next iron
Yo the Pray air build, I noticed u either go K T Z or K T M, why mory and not like desert for example
wary egret
"earth spell hits reduce enemy defense and magic defense by 2" - is this overkill for a shadowflame staff build?
small flower
yea, most of the number crunching is just having fun messing with combos
next iron
havent played in a while so im hella blind going into this
small flower
I think third region on a lot of builds is just "what do i want to play with"
over gear choice
cursive edge
https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=PizzaCatsMimic
blindbag + light?
pliant temple
Thinking so hard about if I want to do dogger build or a mage build
Mage seems so interesting but dogger spec+thorns build seems so fun
small flower
the tecpatls are heavy
tawny atlas
how is a ranged echo triggered from a melee hit handled? does it apply your range pacts to your melee echo?
cursive edge
ye but you have the light stuff on tree
small flower
it says on the node that does itt hat it uses melee stats
oh, i was basically just routing to the other heal node
i could probably drop 4 or 5 points and put them into the power staff switch
tacit oyster
how is a ranged echo triggered from a melee hit handled? does it apply your rang...
applies the crossbow, bow and throwing 1st echo buffs and also can increase the echo max to 4x, ammo regen parts wont help melee
small flower
the second thorn/melee heal node is an awkward path for anything
languid mauve
Thinking so hard about if I want to do dogger build or a mage build
Mage seems ...
do the dagger mage build
small flower
you can do dogger thorns and gear switch to firetank caster pretty reasonably
so you'd have options
lost herald
man that food relic seem kinda useless for my mage setup
tawny atlas
damn i had a build planned where i was gonna constantly proc max hit crossbow echos off of my melee hits so sad
ty for the answer
small flower
yea i dont think the crossbow maxhit node is going to affect melee range echoes
but you would have 20% chance for maxhit because of the thrown part
tawny atlas
i was hoping it would be like blindbag where it would echo off your weapons in inventory
small flower
it should
the raneg echo portion says "on hit"
i think blindbags count as a melee hit?
i could easily be wrong there
languid mauve
man that food relic seem kinda useless for my mage setup
yeah water mage it's useless, it's good for anything else
tacit oyster
blindbag attack is as if you were holding the weapon and attacking with it
small flower
i'm also assuming multihit effects will have seperate chances for range echoes
if not, that whole setup will be way less effective
lost herald
yeah water mage it's useless, it's good for anything else
they just made water too good compared to other ones
twin ermine
I guess I can also just drop the halberd stuff and defense nodes and go this
TZM I think? Would be a dhins build
languid mauve
they just made water too good compared to other ones
the others can put out insane dps thought, i know alot of people want that. I'm personally going with a full water build myself
spent countless days theorycrafting
tacit oyster
food relic is door build healing source 
lost herald
you can max 110 with overheal
pliant temple
My og plan was hally blindbag but I think I don't want to do that anymore
cosmic pumice
What would the best food be for the infinite food relic on a thorns build?
Maybe summer pies* if you don't care about attack delay?
small flower
I guess I can also just drop the halberd stuff and defense nodes and go this
TZ...
the range echoes never miss bow node seems incredibly useful imo
tacit oyster
What would the best food be for the infinite food relic on a thorns build?
anglerfish + karambwan, angler can overheal and karambwan in case you need double eat
fickle pine
I would say moonlight antelope / Summer pie
small flower
also the thrown gainin range str for melee shouldn't affect the melee echoes at all
languid mauve
moonlight antelope/karaw
small flower
it does state it uses melee stats
cosmic pumice
yeah now that i think about it you could just bring one of each food without hurting your inventory too bad
lost herald
its possible with water mage to hit up to 180+hitpoints
lost herald
20% of that just gets added as %dmg
languid mauve
ye
lost herald
and you get free healing + prayer regen with air node
tacit oyster
moonlight antelope + karambwan + anglerfish yeah. moonlight antelope is only good if you let the 2nd part heal before you eat another antelope
lost herald
i take the wind node for prayer points
languid mauve
wait which wind node
lost herald
the 15% when you regen air
tacit oyster
works on any surge spell
twin ermine
Maybe forcing thorns build just isn’t it
lost herald
its about .5 paryer per cast on avg
languid mauve
works on any surge spell
what the fuck
thats actually a prayuer solve for us water mages i couldn't figure out
how did i miss that
small flower
yea, anything going standard book is just inf prayer
languid mauve
most surge spells use 5 air runes +
lost herald
i didnt 
toxic vortex
Yeah there's no reason not to grab that node tbh
languid mauve
thats a 75% chance per cast for prayer regen
desert prawn
ancient magiks stocks in the dirt
thin tide
what do people think for someone that wants to have fun and learn some bosses. Kanderin, Frem, Mory..........
languid mauve
guess im going back to drawing board lol
languid mauve
i'm going to report you
lost herald
powered staffs are even stronger lowk
small flower
legitimately part of the reason i'm donig it
powered staves are more friendly for splashing into thorns
or using as hybrid switch
but the actual power definitely is just straight up air
tough finch
Any dps calcers that would be able to estimate what something like this could do with blue moon + undead grasp?
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-122-157-161-2-4-43-44-47-56-60-69-7-73-74-83-86
tough finch
Wiki doesnt know how to do set effect or fire rune damage buff
small flower
first 2 loadouts
wary egret
if not taking friendly forager, is prayer potions with snape grass the easiest training method?
small flower
looking forward to playing with that, it didn't quite work last league
wary egret
or is there a higher tier secondary thats easier to farm
ionic hawk
Is lithic sceptre considered a staff for the powered staves node in magic section?
small flower
depends on region
tough finch
Is lithic sceptre considered a staff for the powered staves node in magic sectio...
Yeah its a powered staff
small flower
yep
lost herald
tough finch
I wonder if ranged echoes proc the 2% spec regen when 2 tiles away
small flower
it does say "any" style, i'm hoping it does
tough finch
My current thoughts are to go obby dagger thorns for early, respec into blue moon and rock that for a long time, and maybe respect late into leagues into fire water mage or air mage. Or maybe one then the other to close it out.
wary egret
what are some lesser thought of benefits of picking wildy?
languid mauve
can you own more than 1 echo item of the same?
small flower
supplies in general
lost herald
what are some lesser thought of benefits of picking wildy?
kinda easy tasks i guess
lost herald
the hardest part of the wildy doesnt exist in leagues so
smoky raft
what are some lesser thought of benefits of picking wildy?
easy dragon pick
plain pasture
what are some lesser thought of benefits of picking wildy?
larrans chest provides you tons of supplies, wild bosses provide bulk herbs/secondaries, revs provide unlimited cash if ur other methods aint great, easy tasks in wild
bleak depot
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-101-106-107-11-112-113-114-1...
This is pretty close to mine as well
tough finch
the hardest part of the wildy doesnt exist in leagues so
Nah m8 gonna rag people on my alt all day long ur PERMED xd
smoky raft
idk if it can really be considered "hidden" but the rev weapons are a great choice
lost herald
Nah m8 gonna rag people on my alt all day long ur PERMED xd
jokes on you i never take wildy
bleak depot
Dark what regions you taking
bleak depot
jokes on you i never take wildy
What regions you taking for that
lost herald
1- kandarin
2- desert
3-zeah
bleak depot
Why desert and zeah?
smoky raft
for anyone picking wildy, remember to turn death piles off, especially with eternal sustenance
wary egret
can i give thammarons scepter to minion?
plain pasture
wildy is also one of best areas for slayer, more hp npc, more spawns and less packed out
tough finch
How difficult do you think it will be to reach t4 from the start? Is it viable to hit t4 before say, really digging into mid game combat stuff like moons
Drop rate buff really helps a lot
lost herald
desert is easy runecrafting and early water tome, fang and drygore
tacit oyster
asgarnia desert zeah to suffer 
lost herald
zeah is just for slayer mostly
small flower
How difficult do you think it will be to reach t4 from the start? Is it viable t...
idk if we have enough info yet on points n stuff
smoky raft
can i give thammarons scepter to minion?
probably? but honestly there are easier options
lost herald
and hespori has one of the best echo weapons this time around
small flower
but it should be pretty reasonable to just kinda zone out, do skilling and stuff all the way to t4
tough finch
but it should be pretty reasonable to just kinda zone out, do skilling and stuff...
Really really hoping
small flower
i usually dont go too hard on combat till a bit later
lost herald
I thought natures recurve is just a healing now ?
its better than a dark bow in every way btw
tough finch
I've always been a leagues combat focused chud but I feel like i want to be more careful and intentional with how I hit this one
wary egret
wait thammarons is 4 tick??? can that be 2 tick then???
wary egret
for elemental though "The sceptre also has a "Swap" option that allows players to switch it to Thammaron's sceptre (a), which is a variant that can autocast offensive combat spells from the standard spellbook (including Flames of Zamorak) and the Ancient Magicks."
lost herald
for comparison, dbow has the same ranged attack and its 8 ticks, vs recurve having an extra 4 ranged strength and its 3 ticks rapid
small flower
I've always been a leagues combat focused chud but I feel like i want to be more...
starting in misthalin you kinda are incentivised to rush whatever is possible to branch out, i think in varlamore you could really just sit around and progress in quite a lot before worrying about rushing combat
tough finch
-8 max hit is a small price to pay for THAT much faster speed, speed is underrated I think. On a similar note im sure some dogger builds are really going to pop off
lost herald
-8 max hit is a small price to pay for THAT much faster speed, speed is underrat...
doesnt apply to shadow btw
it just gets a free tick reduction
small flower
ye, but idk if it makes it worthwhile even then
tough finch
The max hit reduction? Or speed?
tough finch
Damn
lost herald
powered staffs are extremley strong anyways with the regen
small flower
does higher accuracy than autocasting matter if you're doing 50 average damage 90% of the time when i'm doing 110's 70% of the time?
especially with conflictions given to everyone
idk
i'm looking forward to seeing what someone can do wit ha shadow
but i'ma hedge my bets on air goin wild
shadow badger
Is slayer helm better than crystal helm with crystal blessing for melee?
small flower
uhh, i doubt it
lost herald
you just culling spree to stack them
small flower
if you're not gonna take culling spree, but are going tirr, i think it worked out last league to crystal just being better
shadow badger
Well I'm picking mory and I don't have access to any other spellbooks
small flower
maybe depends tho
shadow badger
So was thinking of picking grim
smoky raft
powered staffs are extremley strong anyways with the regen
how so? 1 (of each, at most) rune per tick vs 10 element + 7 air regen per 3 ticks
small flower
i mean 1handers definitely get some nice utility with it
but yea, idk if i'd call it anything wild
tough finch
If you stacked the rune regens, they read "per rune regenerated" not "per <element> rune regenerated" but still a trickle compared to elemental builds
tropic cloak
has anyone theorized if transmutation solves all money issues? im thinking on going with abundance for t1 atm, but if transmutation has a good money maker i might just go with endless harvest instead
tough finch
So the powered staves can regen what. 4-8 depending on the regen you have
smoky raft
I think that's just for better sentence flow
I'm willing to bet it's per element rune regenerated
lost herald
how so? 1 (of each, at most) rune per tick vs 10 element + 7 air regen per 3 tic...
you can make it so you regen every elemental type with a powered staff
and thats per tick
small flower
ehh, i think you're playin' semantics with grammar that more than likely just means it's counting that specific type of rune
tough finch
I'm willing to bet it's *per element rune regenerated*
Jamflex I showed you my theorycrafting pls respond
small flower
lol
smoky raft
you can make it so you regen every elemental type with a powered staff
yes that's the "of each at most" part
1 per is still. Not anything fantastic
small flower
i mean maybe if 100% regen adds another?
smoky raft
I guess, yeah
small flower
it's still just sorta "nice utilty on top" for powered staves
lost herald
its per tick tho
winged trench
Anyone going for the black dragon crossbow setup?
small flower
yea, and +2 damage per tick is good, and +2 hp per tick is great
smoky raft
its per tick tho
yeah, but 4 total runes per tick is less than 17 total runes per 3 ticks
small flower
but i wouldn't call it the best thing ever when water surge can get like 30-40
vagrant acorn
Do we know if transmutation keeps going while you are fishing and such like golden god?
small flower
hope so, i dont remember the way they worded golden god
vagrant acorn
Would be good but it doesnt say
copper gorge
Do we know if transmutation keeps going while you are fishing and such like gold...
Yes auto cast
small flower
so gotta manually get that cash!
or go wildy and dump everything onto that poor npc
vagrant acorn
When cast on a stack of items, the spells will automatically be recast over time, until the stack is depleted or moved.
Actions that would normally cancel Alchemy such as walking or attacking will not do so whilst it is automatically casting.
languid mauve
has anyone theorized if transmutation solves all money issues? im thinking on go...
Thirving relic is a guaranteed money solve
copper gorge
Idk if it will go while u do other tasks
small flower
hm, so the description of this one is much less specific
we'll just have to see, or maybe a jmod will clarify
tropic cloak
Thirving relic is a guaranteed money solve
but im goin with natures accord, so thieving is out of the question for me
vagrant acorn
Autocast yes but not if it will interrupt, but they clarify in golden god that it
small flower
still taking it no matter what
placid flower
What zones are good for someone with nearly 0-pvm experience? And what combat style would be easiest to use in these zones?
small flower
do you want to stay 0 pvm experience? or looking to have fun wit hthigns you've not done
lost herald
What zones are good for someone with nearly 0-pvm experience? And what combat st...
100% mage water
placid flower
do you want to stay 0 pvm experience? or looking to have fun wit hthigns you've ...
Want to try things.
lost herald
with how much overheal you are gonna get you can tank zuk literally
small flower
with group or just sorta by yourself putting around
placid flower
Solo
small flower
tirranwyn for sure
desert probably, you can reasonably solo ToA
and it's a very fun raid
lost herald
you can do beginners easily even with no raid experience
tacit oyster
kandarin wilderness desert/tirannwn probably. tirannwn does have echo hunlefff which is hard. desert has toa which is pretty hard
small flower
gauntlet is tough, but rewarding once you learn it, and the echo fight is a fun mess
junior phoenix
with how much overheal you are gonna get you can tank zuk literally
Only problem with tanking zuk is that the jad will eventually aggro you but otherwise yeah
lost herald
Only problem with tanking zuk is that the jad will eventually aggro you but othe...
we tank both XD
small flower
uhh, maybe asgarnia last?
TAD makes for decent range or melee options but nothing great in either though
junior phoenix
That does overwhelm the healing, and can also one shot you even at 188
tacit oyster
asgarnia has awakened whisperer and solo nex tasks
small flower
i'd say pick a couple of those then figure out where you can get gear, or what echo weapon you wanna play around with
oh, right
ok well maybe not asgarnia for starting pvm
nex isn't too bad
nobody likes whisper
wary egret
is there a task for guardian boots? and can players revert echo boots to guardian to get it?
placid flower
Thanks for the input 🙂
lost herald
That does overwhelm the healing, and can also one shot you even at 188
good thing you with have essentially infinite prayer
static notch
possible cerb dagger build with water spells for overheal
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-11-117-118-119-12-122-135-142-143-144-162-163-165-2-4-44-46-56-59-60-69-7-72-74-79-8-82-85-86-92-94-96-97
bleak depot
Lithic sceptre is gonna be a 1 tick sunlit spear for mage. Can’t wait to go into nylos
junior phoenix
I mean yeah sure you could just pray against jad but then you might as well just follow the shield
lost herald
I mean yeah sure you could just pray against jad but then you might as well just...
i dont even know if you would heal enough to take multiple hits, its just nice to have some breathing room
tacit oyster
Lithic sceptre is gonna be a 1 tick sunlit spear for mage. Can’t wait to go into...
basically same damage as 0 prayer bonus sunlight spear. still good for nylos. you also stack twice as fast
junior phoenix
You would absolutely heal enough to fight zuk without the shield, but not fight zuk and jad and potentially a mager/ranger without
old tapir
are yama's meteors coded as instakills or do they just do really high damage
tacit oyster
outhealing zuk would come down to rng, on average yes you outheal
lost herald
the fact you can even take a hit is absurd enough
fickle pine
tacit oyster
are yama's meteors coded as instakills or do they just do really high damage
121 according to wiki, but i guess that is highest possible overheal in main game so not sure. yama contracts do have oneshot mechanics
old tapir
just wanting to know whether you can afk it with a water build
lost herald
if you have a melee duo you can probably kill before he does anything
errant pebble
no 2nd reveal today?
lost herald
tommorow is the last relic
tacit oyster
they revealed almost everything already. only last relic and task list left i think
bleak inlet
sad man that ranger dont have healings on the tree
tacit oyster
tomorrow is last planned reveal too
errant pebble
when task list?
lost herald
probably day before
old tapir
yeah not being able to overheal as ranged unless you do the whole wildy crossbow water stuff is sad
tacit oyster
sad man that ranger dont have healings on the tree
crossbow can do water tree for healing with wilderness echo weapon, otherwise just onyx bolt (e) and flask (t8). bow can heal with echo hespori weapon. throwing weapons can only heal with thorns from shield
lost herald
mage being the best for once?
old tapir
we want overhealing with bows 
lost herald
we want overhealing with bows <a:DinkDonk:1086488191546171462>
you got always hit last time
fickle pine
natures recurve also heals, so does the toxic blowpipe
lost herald
its prayer regen too
old tapir
what happened last league is no reason to leave certain pacts weak lol
bleak inlet
eternal sustance must pick for ranger i guess?
lost herald
nah recurve
winged trench
eternal sustance must pick for ranger i guess?
Unless you do the wildly echo crossbow
bleak inlet
yea i dunno about wildy crossbow its sloowwwww
fickle pine
you are right, KBC is not broken at all, have you made a natures recurve build yet? that thing slaps as well
winged trench
Yeah but hitting 250+ potentially will be cool
quaint ore
Blessed to be going wild+ leaning towards ranged even before finding out about the cbow
tacit oyster
inferno probably only place while you might need unlimited healing with crossbows
lost herald
recurve is gonna be 2 tick late
old tapir
inferno probably only place while you might need unlimited healing with crossbow...
everybody has a different level of need
grandmasters don't need anything
tacit oyster
everybody has a different level of need
yeah just most other content oneshots you before you use full inv
winged trench
Inferno was super easy last year with unlimited supplies
Crossbow will make it easy again
lost herald
mage is essentially unchange
old tapir
that unlimited food thing makes minion an easy pick
tacit oyster
raids you might also need more food than inventory holds
lost herald
its even funnier that the inferno has a collective weakness to water
old tapir
i was thinking i needed flask with bows but not anymore
tacit oyster
im taking flask anyway but takes more skill and thinking to use well compared to minion
lost herald
what if its last stand as the third relic
old tapir
its so awful comapred to last stand haha
stiff hinge
last stand would make no sense, flask is already 3/4 of last stand
shadow badger
If you hit something and then hide behind a pillar, will the minion continue attacking it?
old tapir
you have to pre-empt the attack that would have killed you, you don't get full health value
its so much worse for casual survival
lost herald
its probably gonna be something to do with thorns
tacit oyster
optimal flask usage on single target explosion + special energy in max build is slightly worse dps than minion but hard to use optimally
old tapir
like i'm thinking zuk, you step out from the shield on accident
last stand is like; oops, glad it saved me, now let me heal to full
flask is like; did i make a mistake? oh no that attack is coming for me, quickly flask, i was at 90 health already so it only healed me for 9, but zuk would have oneshot me
so much usage friction
tacit oyster
i used last stand to get hit by zuk on purpose to kill zuk without tagging healers
old tapir
that too
misty vessel
Can bluetooth halberd reach zuk?
small flower
should be able to
tacit oyster
Can bluetooth halberd reach zuk?
at center yes, at edges no
small flower
7 range is rapid rcb
misty vessel
at center yes, at edges no
at the center~ 5 tiles or smth?
tacit oyster
when shield is at edges you get dragged out of shield cover if you try to attack
old tapir
its kinda like resoing in rs3 actually, you wanna be low to get as much value of the healing part of it as possible while still getting immunity from the big attack you're resoing
but not so low that you get chipped by everything else
reso also has a 1 minute cooldown, this has 3 
tacit oyster
at the center~ 5 tiles or smth?
can look up raging echoes league melee inferno with the natures respite
some youtube videos did it with 7tile range with that
old tapir
i can appreciate that flask has that proactive cooldown reduction but i would probably have preferred for it to not have that and instead just be on a minute cooldown
sharp gate
Is Kraken also only pseudo-immune to melee just because of not being able to reach it normally?
old tapir
especially now that we've seen the food relic, flask lost major value
sharp gate
Would I be able to kill it with bluetooth halberd or thorns(melee type dmg)?
tacit oyster
Is Kraken also only pseudo-immune to melee just because of not being able to rea...
hard to say wiki does not have info, range deals 1/7th damage. might deal 100% damage with melee since 7tile melee was not even considered back then
sharp gate
hard to say wiki does not have info, range deals 1/7th damage. might deal 100% d...
Hmm yeah, I'm mainly trying to figure all bosses I can kill with thorns as it counts as melee damage, recoil at least should work against Kraken
junior phoenix
Either way I can't really see why you'd be in kandarin and not have any mage options
tacit oyster
door build to kandarin for suffering
sharp gate
I was thinking about respeccing from mage into thorns, but yeah I could just farm Kraken loot before the respec lol
fickle pine
Do we have the task list yet?
tacit oyster
probably given on monday, maybe even tomorrow
we did get the demonic pact point tasks couple days ago though
fickle pine
can you overheal with the inf food perk?
sharp gate
It's a relic so I don't think so. Overheal only works from pacts
But anglerfish has natural overheal capabilities tho, as far as I know
tacit oyster
can you overheal with the inf food perk?
anglerfish can overheal to 121 (lvl 99 hp)
wary egret
Does corp count as wildy boss for thammarons damage boost?
tacit oyster
no, unless they change it for league. probably not changed since they didnt announce it already
fickle pine
anglerfish can overheal to 121 (lvl 99 hp)
thank you very much for the info
wary egret
Should just be able to afk corp with water mage though right?
toxic vortex
Would be a good question
tacit oyster
should be fine unless corp really hates you and stacks multiple max hits
shadow badger
How useful is grimoire compared to inf food?
fickle pine
Should just be able to afk corp with water mage though right?
might get unlucky with roll chance
tacit oyster
core will kill you though if you afk
wary egret
might get unlucky with roll chance
I’m fairly certain I’ll go 90% overheal
wary egret
core will kill you though if you afk <:ancestralhmm:1017166163882549328>
Even with thorns?
tacit oyster
i guess thorn does oneshot core
wary egret
I’ve never gone wildy or mage build but this leagues seems like it’ll be super fun for both
icy comet
For the relic today, is it just for hard food or potions as well?
fickle pine
I’m fairly certain I’ll go 90% overheal
you still have to hit, are you going to fight corp beast in max mage gear?
tacit oyster
For the relic today, is it just for hard food or potions as well?
only hard food
icy comet
Okay bet
wary egret
you still have to hit, are you going to fight corp beast in max mage gear?
Not sure yet, but probably. Also thinking about dabbling with earth to tear down defense
Also taking kandarin so will have thermy offhand
tacit oyster
accursed sceptre or ayak spec can be used on corp to make mage hit better
wary egret
accursed sceptre or ayak spec can be used on corp to make mage hit better
That’s capped at 15% right? Is there a cap on earth pact?
tacit oyster
no cap on corp for earth pact. things like toa bosses have personal reduction caps
somber meadow
Whos got a good mage build i can peek at to get ideas
Im thinking of going blindbag but debating between mage too
wary egret
Whos got a good mage build i can peek at to get ideas
But I also am going wildy for malediction ward and arcane shield
somber meadow
Im probably going kourend tirra mory
That staff is gonna be broken with a mage build tbh
distant wagon
I’m an unc
wary egret
Which one? Mory staff? Seems meh to me compared to thermy staff
somber meadow
Thermy staff
pliant temple
what are some of the interesting mage builds? im thinking of changing my entire plan to mage
wary egret
Oh yeah
tough finch
Powered staves are going to be incredibly strong but idk just doesnt have the same class fantasy for me the elements do.
somber meadow
Mory gives me tob for scythe for blindbag build if i go it nox hally ahrims if i go mage
pliant temple
you can get scythe from kourend too
wary egret
what are some of the interesting mage builds? im thinking of changing my entire ...
The one I just linked would be: start earth, tear down defense. Go water to overheal, go fire to burn overheal , go back to water etc
pliant temple
unless theyre not doing the vouchers this year
late oyster
they are
somber meadow
They are but then that requires me doing contracts
tough finch
Me and that other guy permachill are huge hype on blue moon blindbag with undead grasp
short sphinx
what are some of the interesting mage builds? im thinking of changing my entire ...
dont go into the dark side!!!
tough finch
How the turntables have kandarin'd
pliant temple
but i just know i would regret not doing mage with how interesting it is this year
wary egret
Every single league I go Asg mory melee build. Not this time lol
short sphinx
well we can grab kandarin *** for our 3 rd region and always respec
somber meadow
What regions would you go for blindbag grum because i think mine would still be the same mory tira kand they have like the easiest linear demonic pact tasks with good gear
pliant temple
i was mory tir undecided until i decided to switch off to mage
short sphinx
i was thinking blind bag nox hali into water mage to heal
pliant temple
kandarin obvi good especially if you want to spec into mage
short sphinx
and piety
pliant temple
that too
tough finch
Its so hard to not go kandarin if you want to go elemental mage focus, but not necessary at all if you do powered staves
short sphinx
plus with our crystal armor its gonna be good
somber meadow
Yeah but if you go blind bag wouldn’t it be better to spec into ranged off for the increased hally damage by proccing ranged echo
pliant temple
my biggest thing is if i did melee stuff i would want to be able to respec into a dogger+thorns build but then all i would have for endgame content is tob if i took asg for last region
short sphinx
yes but you dont have to spec that far into range
just the first 3
for echos
i can show you what im thinking
tbh if i get end game and im not having full ill just run another account
tough finch
If i did a blindbag focused build i would try to use the fastest heavy weapon i could and not even worry about hally tree. I would spec hard into the melee ranged echo stuff and maybe even go down the spec tree and try to use a fast as fuck 1h and get the spec tree's str bonus too.
wary egret
Tir kand has a nice tribrid build with Hally bowfa and 1t toxic trident
somber meadow
First 3 but theres also other spots that are decent near those 3 that increase the proc of ranged echos and then reproc it then to the left the everytime you hit with a weapon 3+ tiles away wouldn’t it enable a 25% hally swing on your next hit increased by 21 minimum damage since you should be 7 tiles away ?
tough finch
But idk I just think the ranged hally stuff is giga overrated even with potential min hit buffs
short sphinx
If i did a blindbag focused build i would try to use the fastest heavy weapon i ...
see i like this but nox hali is my favorite weapon ever so im trying to build off it
errant mulch
should accuracy be just 100% or more than 100% better?
pliant temple
that was my exact reasoning too gray
short sphinx
we are one and the same
potent quail
should accuracy be just 100% or more than 100% better?
The more the better can use the wiki calc to get a feeling gor it
100% doubles your accuracy
short sphinx
im down to run kandarin try and mory
then if me and you dont like it ill alt with you and run it back
tough finch
see i like this but nox hali is my favorite weapon ever so im trying to build of...
It's something to consider respeccing into late imo, or as a finishing touch after getting blindbag ranged echoes online first. It's going to take a long time to get it online because of the slayer and actual drop requirements plus all those points
pliant temple
how is powered staff with tir vs regular mage builds? is it comparable at all or is one better than the others
short sphinx
from what i heard powered staff benifits from the echo item moore
potent quail
how is powered staff with tir vs regular mage builds? is it comparable at all or...
The problem is how do you get a powered staff
short sphinx
thats why we kandarin
potent quail
how is powered staff with tir vs regular mage builds? is it comparable at all or...
Regular mage build jas a massive range
Healing
Extrem high defense
Lots of flat damage
tough finch
The problem is how do you get a powered staff
Eye of ayak available for everyone... Just get the drop
potent quail
So very hard to compare
pliant temple
yeah
potent quail
But whats your build pre eye
tough finch
Regular mage build jas a massive range
Healing
Extrem high defense
Lots of flat...
Infinite prayer...
pliant temple
powered staves is just a one trick pny vs the wide variety of things from elemental casting
small flower
zulrah also just drops toxic trident, plus the warped thing ni K yea
potent quail
Like 1 tick staves is disgustinh
tough finch
But whats your build pre eye<:kekw:997907574034792498>
If you take tirannwyn, probably toxic? Not sure.
potent quail
And shadow will be incredible with just taking the magic strength % nodes
short sphinx
zulrah also just drops toxic trident, plus the warped thing ni K yea
WAIT
he just drops full trident?
small flower
yea
short sphinx
WTF
small flower
check wiki
short sphinx
i dont need kandarin anymore
pliant temple
im just not wanting to full spec into mage just for it to be better for me to get to powered staves and take tir
tough finch
Yeah. A lot of stuff that drips pieces just drops the whole thing. Another notable one for air mages is the bone crusher necklace dropping from hydra
small flower
o, i thought when you said that you meant the warped staff hah
potent quail
he just drops full trident?
Thats true for all of these items
small flower
yea if you were just going for trident you dont need to
short sphinx
i only need the powered staff for the early game
small flower
ah
small flower
yea i'll be doing TKW for mage, and the power staff part of it does probably lose purpose lategame
pliant temple
does taking kand not give you quick access to ibans or are the quests not autocompleted?
tough finch
yea i'll be doing TKW for mage, and the power staff part of it does probably los...
You have to update us if you get that blue moon stuff online before me
pliant temple
would you need tir and kand to get access to it at least
tough finch
Ive never been so hype for a build compared to that blue moon one
small flower
You have to update us if you get that blue moon stuff online before me
we'll see! kinda up to luck there, and how slow I am going about things hah
rofl yea
short sphinx
i was thinking of just 5 to 1 CG with the 1 tick powered staff into full crystal kill zulrah into trident into the mid game
XD
small flower
that'd work too
i'm probably going for similar? but into thamm scepter, and just melt all of the wildy, pick up the shadowflame and move on with using air surge or smoke barrage
short sphinx
i mean would asgar be a better first region?
potent quail
Ive never been so hype for a build compared to that blue moon one
Tribrid in 1 attack?
small flower
i tried last league but it didn't have quite enough support from the masteries
tough finch
Yep with undead grasp hitting for 36s with the rune amp and 50% chance of those instant melee hits into ranged echoes
short sphinx
i guess it would probably be better to wait untill i have larceny fo try
tough finch
A few of us saw the potential independently
small flower
100% melee, it has a buff spell
potent quail
i tried last league but it didn't have quite enough support from the masteries
I also made air ballista that day
But that didnt stick yet with the public
Neef to push that one more
tough finch
I also made air ballista that day
But that didnt stick yet with the public
Yeah we were all cooking similar meals lol. I stared at that tree for like 12 hours.
short sphinx
is there any way that the nox hali build works without blind bag?
potent quail
Yep with undead grasp hitting for 36s with the rune amp and 50% chance of those ...
The main problem is
Its therefore 1 mellee attack every 6 ticks
small flower
uhh, blind bag would be a pretty chunky portion of the damage
you can't use thorns w/ it, so i guess you could just use it as a hybrid option?
short sphinx
i guess you cant spec into thorns
small flower
blindbag/ranged echos just kinda mix into 2h melee
short sphinx
yeah
i guess i have options to respec with try, asgar, and mory
even the dagger thorns too
small flower
yea, easy melee options
short sphinx
ight perma you convinced me
small flower
i did what now, don't blame me!
tough finch
The main problem is
Its therefore 1 mellee attack every 6 ticks
I still think it will be strong and fun for mid late before I respec into full elemental mage later
It's a fun way to gamble
short sphinx
first build is asgar into try into mory early game carried on 1 tick powered staff into nox hali blindbag unless dagger thorns is just sooooo much better
small flower
yea, it's more of just something to mess around with and have fun before gearing up
short sphinx
i would like to attack bloat from behind the pillar
small flower
hah
short sphinx
XD
tough finch
Theres going to be so many good memes from all this wacky bs
short sphinx
if any of yall end in mory lemme know we can raid
small flower
i'll be in mory on melee guy
idk if i'll actualyl get 3 scythes, but trying for the potential is a must
short sphinx
dont worry ill grind the 3 scythes with you
blissful fiber
im trying to wrap my head around how the new relic can even compete with culling spree
tacit oyster
3 scythes wouldnt be that difficult, but need 2 different kits
short sphinx
its either culling or grim for me
blissful fiber
"slayer solve or infinite healing when healing is easy to get with pacts"
grimoire is justifiable if u dont got desert
but infinite food is not
small flower
if you're melee or range (and not going wildy or zeah) and are mostly donig raids(so not on task on important content)
then culling spree is probably going to be less useful
short sphinx
is piety worth taking grim over culling spree
small flower
it has cases wehre it's worth it
maybe? i think it's like 10% improvement over just using the little prayer
tacit oyster
"slayer solve or infinite healing when healing is easy to get with pacts"
infinite healing at the cost of attack damage. Only door build gets low dps loss healing from it
short sphinx
its gonna be nice for the DT2 boss grinds if we can get them on task
blissful fiber
culling spree is the only slayer solve doe/makes slayer more bearable
and i really dislike slayer
so thats why im taking it
small flower
fair enough, i'll be going both that and grim
small flower
depends on what else you need/want
on melee I want piety and dont really need anything else
somber meadow
culling spree is the only slayer solve doe/makes slayer more bearable
Slayer doesn’t need a solve bro just hit things
short sphinx
im either reloading on natures accord or soul harvest
small flower
on mage i need ancients, and am doing wildy so culling spree is huge for keys
somber meadow
Saying you don’t like slayer means you like skilling not bossing
blissful fiber
eeeeh
i just did enough slayer to unlock moons of peril
and i never wish to do slayer again
it was so boring
keen badger
on mage i *need* ancients, and am doing wildy so culling spree is huge for keys
kandarin would like a word
somber meadow
Almost every slayer mob is a boss that statement stands through and through lol
small flower
mage is also kandarin so yea getting that slay level up faster is nice
blissful fiber
Almost every slayer mob is a boss that statement stands through and through lol
at that level, all i did was kill regular mobs
short sphinx
i dont have a herblore solve
somber meadow
Yeah which is probably why you dislike it you haven’t actually done it properly
small flower
I think at some point in the mid-game, mage is gonna be on a tree with 90% prayer pen just grindnig echo hunlef and demonic gorillas for a few days -_-
lol
somber meadow
Slayer levels will go through the roof in league imo it doesn’t need a solve just grind a bit
tardy crag
somber meadow
Especially since the slayer relic doesn’t actually boost anything other than qol you gain no bonus xp you just gain variety over being forced into killing a bad task here and there
bleak inlet
yoo anyone know if Devil's element count as a shield for thorns or no
small flower
it does not
bleak inlet
damnn
short sphinx
i mean with tryw we dont neeed torva
small flower
yea, and if you really want a melee set, going mory anyway gets you tank gear if nothing else
you lose dogger, max treads, and easy BB fill through godswords dropping it though
just something to keep in mind is those 5 weapons you'll be grinding to sit in inventory lookin pretty
small flower
varl itself counts as probably one of the best first region picks
short sphinx
dude i think its just asgar
small flower
i may end up deciding on it again XD
i'm sort of stuck at MT+? right now
and if nothing really draws me in i'll probably just decide on asg again
and use my first respec just to do whisper
lol
atomic plinth
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/?share=1DxFJAgECAtTASYQA-TwREgM
Im not sure what to do... I want to do a Cbow heavy hitting blindbag build using the KBD Crossbow but Im not entirely sure what areas to go with, Im choosing Desert for the Raid and Wildy for the crossbow but Im not sure about the third pick, dunno if Asg is the right pick and I dont plan to pick Kand cause yea no Im not dealing with BA
short sphinx
i mean you can take try as first region if you comfy with cg
small flower
yea