leagues-general

[cursive edge]

fire surge around 55 DPS, wind surge/smoke barrage around 48

[small flower]

is the burn damage specified anywhere?

[tough finch]

oh yeah you're just talking about wind dps not necessarily elemental kk

[languid mauve]

U forget shadow multiplies the specific items stats. Works both ways that -18 magic attack from crystal body will turn into -54

[cursive edge]

yeah not factoring in weaknesses beyond the 30% from offhand

[small flower]

eh, -54, but +30% from set bonus

with another 15% damage on top

it probably works out to a net positive

[languid mauve]

U will fk ur stats so bad lol

[dull tusk]

with the kandarin staff wind surge totally wins, without it it doesnt

[languid mauve]

It wont

[cursive edge]

But the blessing gives +20 per slot

So +10 magic for helm, +2 for chest, +8 fo rlegs

[small flower]

^

[tough finch]

spamming max hits is cool but something about building up overheals and then spamming fire surge to spend them seems so fun

[cursive edge]

Yeah, that setup is more versatile too

Air has no real survivability

I'm personally going for a powered staff thorns setup, sang + 1t water regen healing goes hard

[small flower]

you just gotta trust in redemption, it won't let you down!.... 10% of the time

[cursive edge]

5hp/sec while pumping out 40 dps with sang, and 8 dps from thorns

[languid mauve]

Okay so thry fixed it

[small flower]

1t attack options are always fun

[cursive edge]

and thorns + GG staff spec for aoe

[languid mauve]

Makes sensr

[small flower]

yea i dont see shadow having any problems with crystal

[dull tusk]

if ur talking with kandarin staff i dont think the 40% bonus is actually equalled by the smoke base hit increase even before you account for the multiplicative nature of the bonus

[languid mauve]

U will lose a lot of accuracy but hit like a truck

Ih wait no u wont

[dull tusk]

assumedly the fire rune flat damage isnt actually scaleable which also would hinder it

[twin ermine]

@small flower definitely this tree, I think https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-11-139-140-141-145-146-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-157-161-3-4-43-5-6-61-64-7-71-73-74-8-80-84-86-88-9-92-93-94-95-98-99

[languid mauve]

Holy fk i forgot about the accuracy % from the blessing itself

Dude shadow gonna fk shit up

[twin ermine]

Yuuup

[dull tusk]

yeah crystal armor shadow seems to be the simple shadow blaster setup for the league

[weary drift]

So is the dps calc broken or is the max for blindbag nally with inv set up really 1.5k?

[small flower]

it's wonky

technical max

would just be constantly cascading blindbags

so i mean... probably 1.5k is theoretically possible?

at a 1 in 10 billion or something

[languid mauve]

I still have to basically redo my entire build though because of echo items but that will be a fun activity to do after work on Saturday

[weary drift]

I think it’s right because the dps is still worse than oathplate with dragon knives lol

[small flower]

i think you'll want that range str from melee str for those range echoes to actually be hitting decent numbers

it's just 2 points away as well

[weary drift]

Anyone got an elemental mage build? I wanna compare dps lol

[small flower]

also, would dinhs count as an offhand? i have no idea how 2h shields count lol

[toxic vortex]

ive seen maxes in to the 2k

[bitter wagon]

oh we no longer get reveals on the 13/14th? did they get excited and overshare on the livestream?

[toxic vortex]

but yeah the calc for it is just weird

[wicked mountain]

think it counts as 2h wep and shield. not offhand

[weary drift]

I’m not complaining

[cursive edge]

it is infact exactly equalled

[small flower]

nvm i'm blind, and forgot entirely that it calcs off melee str for it anyway, ignore that

[toxic vortex]

I think the only thing left to reveal at that point is the task list

[cursive edge]

Smoke gets +6 hits from fire regen

So 33 max hit, vs 24 * 1.4 = 33.6 for wind surge + staff

[bitter wagon]

2 relic slots left, 2 reveals left, maybe we get task list on the 13th or 14th

[cursive edge]

due to rounding there may be some instances where one beats the other

But it can go both ways

[bitter wagon]

i fear we may not get giga-yama now that the extra days are gone

[cursive edge]

ok yeah i am assuming the 6 damage is scaleable to be fair. Would be surprised if it wasnt personally

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-are-you-absolutely-certain-are-you-positive-can-you-verify-that-gif-2655197662233563095

Wrong reply

Lol

[small flower]

I suppose if you get down to it, barrage wins by being aoe at the same dps if that's the case

[cursive edge]

yeah its more versatile

[small flower]

while for fire and water, shadowflame wins out since they say "hits" so extra healing bounces, extra burns

[bitter wagon]

quadrant makes me consider not even bothering with ancients tbh

[twin ermine]

Wish I could send a screenshot, I’m looking at 88 melee strength with my setup

Full crystal + blessing
Dinhs
Treads
Ferocious gloves
Rancor
Infernal
Ultor

I actually need three, I didn’t realize I had an offhand node selected. I’ll see what I can do

Also 16 prayer bonus, so the node that gives 50% as strength seems good

[cursive edge]

crystal with dinhs? what build is that

[small flower]

yea i was staring at a node thinking it'd be useful forgetting it didn't do anything at all since the range echo node for melee specifies it works from melee stats

[twin ermine]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-11-139-140-141-145-146-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-157-161-3-4-43-5-6-61-64-7-71-73-74-8-80-84-86-88-9-92-93-94-95-98-99

im just brewing a dumb thorns blindbag build

[cursive edge]

surely you want torva or oathplate for that tho?

crystal def bonuses are low

[wicked mountain]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-11-135-136-139-140-141-145-146-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-157-161-17-18-2-3-4-43-5-61-71-73-74-8-80-81-82-84-86-94-96-97-99
my thorns + door with justi in mind. aiming for some sweet overheals and free prayer reg

[small flower]

crystal with the hally nodes would allow for a bit more versatility, not relying on sitting around getting slapped, definitely an alternative

[languid mauve]

Yeah im not gonna use ancients because things will die so fast it wont even matter stopping them but idk

[small flower]

that shield healing node top middle is definitely a nice 2 point wander though

[cursive edge]

yeah i think that ones op

[twin ermine]

It’s weighing the strength/damage boost of the crystal against the defense bonus, also taking +50 defense in tree nodes.

Still want it to do melee damage and not just be a thorns reflector entirely

[languid mauve]

Yeee

[cursive edge]

Right, yeah i just figured by the dinhs

[velvet flume]

is dinhs a 2handed weapon or just a 2handed shield

[cursive edge]

it was pure thorns

imo DFS +1h wep is a lot better than dinhs

[languid mauve]

Its classified as a 2 handed weapon

But is considered a shield

[wicked mountain]

ye dihns is for the blindbag

[velvet flume]

im not saying you're wrong btw but is there a place i can view these things?

[wicked mountain]

1h + shield is interesting too tho

[cursive edge]

why is dinhs good for blindbag?

[wicked mountain]

oh ye wait

[small flower]

feels like it's more "i can put extra points in that" than specifically good for it

[wicked mountain]

u dont need a 2h for blind right

[small flower]

yea you do

[twin ermine]

Because you can activate all the 2h specific nodes as well

[small flower]

err

heavy

doesn't have to be 2h

so fang works

and just about everything else that isn't dagger/whip i guess

[cursive edge]

ranged echo and +1 wep range

[wicked mountain]

only thing that needs the 2h is the echos

[cursive edge]

but forced to use a 38 str bonus 5t wep

[languid mauve]

Google > search > osrs body slot > right side select 2 handed weapons > filter by crush weapons > youll find dihns

[wicked mountain]

well bulwark ahs a passive that gives a lot of str

[languid mauve]

For leagues 6 pact purposes its a 2 handed shield

[wicked mountain]

whats the fastest heavy 1h wep?

[small flower]

inq mace?

or rapier?

[twin ermine]

“Melee range is doubled using 2h weapons” paired with all of the damage and healing based on distance to enemy tiles

[languid mauve]

Hunters sunlit crossbow

[small flower]

yea, the synergy with dinhs just ends up working out well

[wicked mountain]

well thats only 1 tic faster and with enough def u easily get +80str on dhins

[static notch]

swift blade

[wicked mountain]

lol

[cursive edge]

still lower dps than a solid 1h + dfs from the looks of it

[small flower]

just wish there was a nice fast 2h light melee option

[languid mauve]

I assume you mean over 1kg?

[velvet flume]

the filter is 2 handed slot, that just means that you view things that are 2 handed

[cursive edge]

1h + dfs is like +30 str bonus and 1t faster speed

vs the range echo stuff

[languid mauve]

2 handed weapons classification

[cursive edge]

also even heavy 1h's can use the 20% str boosting node in the light section

[small flower]

dinh passive is what, another 58 str bonus?

[languid mauve]

Its used as a weapon in combat

[small flower]

true

[wicked mountain]

true

[languid mauve]

Only difference is that for leagues 6 its a shield

[wicked mountain]

echos sounds a lot more fun tho. 1h is more consistant i guess

[small flower]

yea, the chance for silly cascades is nice

[static notch]

oh wait ham joint is available from easy clues

[wicked mountain]

ham joint dfs lol

[weary drift]

Idk what yall are dps calcing on but im doing hellhounds since they have a generous 50% weakness, and while I can’t exactly see the true dps of mage, melee seems meh, I’m thinking tank range with buckler and thorns, probably oathplate or eclipse for armor, hitting 21dps

[inner zenith]

so tasks monday?

[languid mauve]

I see they updated this it used to be only dragon claws received this buff but i see they changed to “1h weapons”

[languid mauve]

If u get slayer level or certain relics do cerb because u will kill him before triggering ghosts with water magic

[wicked mountain]

quite some dps from the tanky build comes from the thorns, wich the dps calc doesnt show tho

[languid mauve]

And u will outheal their damage anyways

[dull tusk]

its hard to dps calc thorns since it completely depends what you're fighting

[wicked mountain]

yea

[weary drift]

True but this is a tank build with 21DPS from non thorns

[wicked mountain]

can u send?

[languid mauve]

Well u can dps calc depending on their attack speed

If u know it

[hollow umbra]

anyone else a little disappointed on the Hespori Bow?

[dull tusk]

if your dps is measured in double digits you're probably OK for most things realistically

[languid mauve]

Yes looks like trash

[dull tusk]

yeah the bow sounds good enough until the caveat that it doesnt overheal

[hollow umbra]

the bow is Fine but I wish it was a slash melee bow

like how the teaser image has Oathplate

[restive spear]

is there a leagues specific discord

[wicked mountain]

Cbow tank?

[hollow umbra]

infinite prayer in inferno/colosseum though? can't complain too much I guess

[dull tusk]

if it could overheal it would be the best thing for the player who doesnt go deep enough into the league to unlock all regions or anything and just picks up a cool regen enabling weapon and dips, which is at least a niche. but water spells are too good at regenning for an endgamer to not pick them for that niche

[weary drift]

One sec, I have to set it up on my phone to send lol but it’s dknives tank

[wicked mountain]

ah ok

[hollow umbra]

overheal is built in the pacts I guess

[dull tusk]

yeah its just strange that the echo weapon doesnt make an exception

[copper gorge]

Dumb question. Anyone know where in varl we will start after yamas lair?

Like where does it spit you out?

[dull tusk]

every other echo weapon works with pacts where applicable, this one mysteriously anti synergizes

id have to assume fortis

or near fortis

[weary drift]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-11-12-133-135-136-139-14-140-141-145-146-15-16-17-18-19-2-22-25-32-33-34-39-44-47-5-54-56-60-69-71-74-8-81-82-84-85-86

this with eclipse, then upgrade to oathplate and buckler when you can

[wary egret]

Is zuk gonna be a cakewalk with mage?

[plain pasture]

with shadow yes

[proper harbor]

If you go above 100% regeneration do you just get twice the resources sometimes? or is it capped at 100%

[plain pasture]

youll see a fair few splashes with normal weps

very doable though ofc

[dull tusk]

zuk is gonna be a cakewalk for everyone. inferno scales horrible in its ability to kill you when you have dps and healing

[winged trench]

Anyone have the task list for the combat points?

[twin ermine]

This one is also cooking, it drops 10 defense levels but it picks up the important range nodes, the shield node at top center, an overheal node, the “spend overheal for damage”, and the prayer bonus converts to str bonus

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-11-135-139-140-141-145-146-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-157-161-162-165-4-43-5-61-7-71-73-74-8-80-84-86-88-92-93-94-95-96-97-98-99

[dull tusk]

unlike colo which can still stack you out quite well

[tacit oyster]

1 tick faster scorching bow without demon bane effect. so i guess it does beat bowfa in some cases

[twin ermine]

I’m pretty sure I did a nally inferno last league with autoretailiate

[small flower]

especially when they're weak to water, ice barrage counts as water, and water heals you a ton

[plain pasture]

ngl kourend bow is slept on a bit

[dull tusk]

much like original fight caves most of the enemies do damage designed to whittle ur resources over long periods, not kill you outright

[plain pasture]

its like a dbow with double hit

[dull tusk]

so if your resources are ffectively infinite, you just win

[plain pasture]

but will be 2t with the bow pact

[small flower]

it does look nice enough

[plain pasture]

4t > rapid 3t > 2t with pact

[tacit oyster]

its good for how early you can get it. doesnt scale well to end game

[small flower]

^

damage doesn't look like it'd go anywhere crazy

[plain pasture]

i mean, it has a similar max to drygore bp

without need for extra area pick

[small flower]

i was kind hoping it'd have an air effect like crossbow has water and dagg had fire

[weary drift]

Was thinking you could drop the mage invest and get even more dps outta this too, more accuracy and more echos if you wanted to forfeit mage all together

[small flower]

but oh well

[cursive edge]

man echo dagger is like 23 dps in max gear.. why is it so shite lol

and it has crap accuracy, im looking at chicken dps

[weary drift]

It’s all in the spec but yeah it’s a better gmaul

[small flower]

feel like they want you to hybrid into fire with spec gen

[cursive edge]

i mean is it even? you dont get nearly enough specs

[plain pasture]

i mean for melee, your gonna be asgarnia most probably

so its additional, but defo coulda been better

[cursive edge]

but no reason to even equip it

[dull tusk]

you can spec with anything, and you get a pretty large number of specs. keep in mind that both hits you do per atack regen 2% spec each

so its effectively 2% spec per tick while using it

[plain pasture]

it adds up for sure

i mean, i wont even be considering mage or melee at this point, the crossbow is looking way too strong

[dull tusk]

if u wanna fuel another melee spec weapon its a great way to do so and get passable dps in that time

[plain pasture]

im just curous now, how the mage hit with kbd echo is gonna work

[small flower]

ye, just feels a little lackluster when you're comparing the fire proc (5% maxhit 10, no regen bonus) to the range echoes every 2h melee can get (20% scales with melee stats)

[tough finch]

I doubt the calc can apply the fire pact buffs correctly. I mean with fire pacts it's a splash weapon with spec spam to splash harder.

[cursive edge]

it needed to be 25% spec to be interesting

[dull tusk]

i think of it more as a vessel for other specs

it just happens to be the fastest attacking melee weapon which has enough bonuses to still do usable damage

[wary egret]

What about with kings crossbow

[cursive edge]

so fire pacts add 12 damage and 10 dmg from burn to the spec right?

[plain pasture]

i mean realistically for general npcs (non boss), you kinda wanted speed

[small flower]

i mean the speed is nice, and overall it'll probably be good, but it does feel more like melee support for a mage build

[tough finch]

5% chance per tick to proc its spell, which can splash to 2 other targets and consume your hp to do it.

[plain pasture]

range will delete anything in game with exception to tekton

[cursive edge]

so it does 5 + 12 + 10 = 27 avg dmg

• a base hit

[dull tusk]

it might 'feel' more like melee support for a mage build but it mathematically works out to mage support for a melee spec build

[cursive edge]

and you get 1 spec per 15s

[small flower]

lol

[languid mauve]

Dont forget you do get resets so it doesnt hurt to go a more survive build then convert to full damage once you bypass some harder stuff

[cosmic gazelle]

Thoughts on Desert, Korend, Kandarin for any mage based build?

[plain pasture]

why desert xd

[dull tusk]

if u want specs on a pure mage build theres actually a better way to do that, but idk what mage specs youd want

[languid mauve]

Im going kanderin for spellbook mage build

[cursive edge]

the specs add 10-15% dps, so from 23.3 to 26-27 dps i guess

[small flower]

maybe he just wants to do ToA

[cosmic gazelle]

Desert for ancients and fun ToA

[small flower]

valid reasoning, go for it 😄

[cosmic gazelle]

Also had fun in Cox last league with randoms

[languid mauve]

If ur going spellbook mage kanderin is a requirement lol

[plain pasture]

id argue grimoire over desert pick. then go better dps area

[cursive edge]

you going kbd crossbow? or sticking with zaryte

[dull tusk]

its worth noting that for purposes of the spec with the weapon itself, the spec itself refunds part of the energy, removing 2 ticks from the spec regen time

[plain pasture]

i need to know how the mage hit works

[wary egret]

Is kings crossbow gonna be viable with ancestral?

[tough finch]

I legit don't think ancients is better than standard with the kandarin staff.

[plain pasture]

your not gonna use ancest with crossbow

[small flower]

from what's been said: maxhit split between 2 hits, second hit scales with ranged damage, but counts as a spell for the purposes of water nodes, which will also scale the damage for that hit based on life%

[dull tusk]

kigns crossbow is a ranged-mage attack so it scales off your ranged but the enemy takes it as mage

[tacit oyster]

calculates max hit once with crossbow effects, splits max hit into 2 attacks 50/50 and turns 2nd into ice barrage with no further damage buffs from mage but can still heal from water mage tree

[dull tusk]

and the other bit is just a regular old ranged attack

[small flower]

so it's split, but second hit should actually hit harder?

[dull tusk]

so ancestral doesnt help

[plain pasture]

so

[dull tusk]

it also scales off ur ranged bonuses

[plain pasture]

kbd crossbow is broken af

[dull tusk]

cause its ranged first, then mage 2nd

[wary egret]

My thought was crossbow for guaranteed max then swap for the relic that guarantees a mage max hit

And cba to do a full swap

[dull tusk]

plus the hits arent decided independantly - its a split in half single max hit

[small flower]

sorta? you get the crossbow noedes, 50% chance to ranged echo(25% cascade chance) plus massive heals every attack and effectively half the water damage bonuses applied to your damage

[cursive edge]

is it? it adds 14 range str but its 1 tick slower than normal crossbows

[warped turtle]

are there any active polls to see what regions most players will be choosing?

[plain pasture]

2 hits means, guaranteed max split between 2.
each hit hads independant echo chance (2 rolls per hit due to 155 regen)
each echo can roll additional echo
the mage based hit can have healing effect added.

[tacit oyster]

kbd crossbow is slightly less dps than zcb, about same if you go for overhealing gives range str

[plain pasture]

so one kbd crossbow shot could effectively hit 24 echoes? l0l

[small flower]

you're also getting the 8 range str from being always at max overheal HP

[tacit oyster]

only 1 echo chance if i understood correctly

[tough finch]

the way they phrased the weapon, it sounds like it's not firing 2 crossbow hits, it fires one crossbow hit and one water spell.

[small flower]

plus the... 37%? or whatever that maths to for the second hit

[tough finch]

*ice spell

[proper harbor]

Anyone know if regeneration above 100% does anything or is it capped?

[plain pasture]

the clip showed 2 seperate bolts being shot

so 2 instances of regen

[wary egret]

What’s Zuks max hit?

[small flower]

only the second hit is the ice spell

[tacit oyster]

can go over 100% and gives multiple ammo/runes with pact effect double proccing

[small flower]

the first bolt is a regular ranged attack

[wary egret]

It does. You can profit runes/ammo

[plain pasture]

yeh what im sayign is, does the second hit (freeze) count as ranged for purposes of pacts

[tough finch]

They literally said "it fires astandard ranged attack" and a "ranged ice projectile", so idk maybe

[small flower]

o, hm

[plain pasture]

we need it confirming

[small flower]

ye

[tacit oyster]

148 i think

[plain pasture]

cos if so, kbd crossbow outshines anything

by a large margin

[small flower]

i mean if it's scaling from ranged stats i'd assume so, but assumptions be flawed

also curious if it uses 2 ammo, and if so, does that make 100% chance to echo, or does it make 2 50% instances

[plain pasture]

sadly this is the issue with trickled teasers, we dont have enough time between release and leagues starting to have things confirmed by dev/jmods.

[tacit oyster]

both shots scale with ranged since it is 1 max hit split into to attacks. in total dealing same damage as normal crossbow

[normal bloom]

hi everyone need a black arm gang partner for heroes quest:)

[small flower]

you're a few days early, and standing in a burning city

[tacit oyster]

Kings barrage splits its max hit between both attacks. Its a multi hit weapon like the infernal tecpatl

#1163395763146068008 message

[plain pasture]

so technically it should apply echoes to both hits

[normal bloom]

hi everyone need a black arm gang partner for heroes quest:)

[pliant temple]

Do we have the stats for the crossbow or just know it's a double hit thing

[small flower]

you're in the wrong channel brother

[plain pasture]

its released on leagues osrs newspost

kbd crossbow has stats slightly better than zcb plus buckler

[small flower]

yea, the raw stats are out for 'em all

[pliant temple]

Gotcha will check it out. Saw the video before I left home for a bit, didn't know they posted them

Ty gang

[wary egret]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/King's_barrage

[small flower]

i just dunno if i wanna use a 7t weapon all the time

[tacit oyster]

cant remember if jmods clarified echo hits, blindbag at least procs once per attack not per hit splat

[small flower]

i guess it's worth it if that one hit every 4s is like 250

yea blindbag specifies per attack

but that it can also proc from a blindbag

[normal bloom]

hi everyone need a black arm gang partner for heroes quest:)

[small flower]

actually what even is the maxhit on that thing, i'm planning on 2 chars in wildy and neither of them even touching ranged XD haven't even looked

[twin ermine]

So comparing my dinhs builds, oathplate armor comes in at 19.8 dps before thorns, crystal comes in at 20.1 before thorns.

[wary egret]

Does rune regeneration scale with runes used? Like wrath spells are 15% per rune used or just a flat 15%

[sinful swallow]

Im using a 9

[small flower]

if you mean air, looks like its 15% chance for X prayer points, where X is number of runes

[brisk mauve]

Wonder what tier 8 will be, someone was saying it might be exra pact points

Which I could see like an extra 5-10 points. Probably like 7 points

[twin ermine]

Torva is better damage, but I really don’t want to have a leagues GWD experience, that’s sounds annoying af

[twin ermine]

This would be far better than the other two options imo

[latent magnet]

looking at the pacts tasks, its looking like they're really backloaded to the later game :(

idk if im a fan of that

[brisk mauve]

Could be depending on the build you are making

[twin ermine]

An extra even 5 points gives me everything I’m missing

[brisk mauve]

I personally want minion but if it was more pact points it'd be hard for me to choose

I could get quite a bit more power in my build

[latent magnet]

even getting 30 points seems like it's gonna take a little while

[tough finch]

You get 3 respecs. Start with something simple and strong early to clear content, and after the 20ish point mark you could easily respec towards a more complicated build you'd want to main, and then you have 2 more shots after that.

[wary egret]

Minion is going to be bonkers with some of these builds

[latent magnet]

wildy first seems like a good power jump for pacts

ohh and money

😏

i think im going wildy -> zeah -> mory

the radiant oathplate task is probably gonna be face tank scream at yama

idk which contract would be the easiest

[wary egret]

Is there a construction solve at all?

[small flower]

oh, the calc is automatically assuming every single echo in the maxhit

I see

[latent magnet]

i think something involving transmute -> rune -> coins -> magic stones?

[tough finch]

The butler, kind of.

Not amazing though

[small flower]

it's reliable though, and you can put it on bars or unf pots when you're done with con

[wary egret]

Can only transmute ores though

[static notch]

need to do all sigil contracts, full sigil is needed for any radiant piece

[latent magnet]

yeah transmute ores into runite, smelt into bars

idk its not really a solve

[cosmic gazelle]

Anyone got a good spellbook mage region/build I can copy? Dad life

[wary egret]

EH + hotfoot on rune ore rocks is better better than transmute

[latent magnet]

abundance is probably the solve tbh

[latent magnet]

ok they need to change that lol

unless you can full on face tank yama that's an awful task lol

[mossy pond]

You will completely shit on yama, with any good build

Even with boosted glyphic defence

Hardest part will be getting all the contracts and runes

[tacit oyster]

at least they removed need of getting 90 rc for the task

[sinful swallow]

I just like transmute for superior dragon bones and angler fish hotfoot 100% cook

[weary drift]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-11-12-133-135-136-139-14-140-141-145-146-15-16-17-18-19-2-22-25-32-33-34-39-44-47-5-54-56-60-69-71-74-8-81-82-84-85-86

going Z but my build is basically complete there, maybe A for torva and vam and boots but no idea where next

[cursive edge]

but its 1t slower

[tacit oyster]

same speed as zcb. 6tick base -> 5tick with rapid

[plain pasture]

its same as zcb in terms of speed

[proper wave]

Is shadowflame quadrant a "powered staff" or would it benefit from the other node that speeds up combat spell casting instead?

[small flower]

no

[plain pasture]

rapid reduces by 1 tick with all crossbows/ranged weps

[small flower]

err, no and yes

it is not a powered staff and will need the autocast speed one (the 2 tick increase)

[proper wave]

Do you think the lithic staff for a 1t would be stronger than the quadrant being 3t?

Even with -8 max hit

[small flower]

lithic damage is already pretty low, i think most of the damage is gonna come from the spec on that thing, which at 1t is pretty consistent

[proper wave]

That's fair

[cursive edge]

oh right, my bad. Forgot the base speed of other crossbows is 6

[weary drift]

Does spec damage scale with anything??

[cursive edge]

just default to 5 in my head cause rapid xd

[cursive edge]

I believe the spec adds 52% more dps

[small flower]

it says 130% of base maxhit as magic and up to 65% as typeless

[primal merlin]

Ok I got my dogger build ready

[cursive edge]

hits 130% max hit guaranteed, which is like doing 260%

260/5 = 52%

so it actually does slightly more dps than sang staff

[proper wave]

So with it basically being 1t, as long as it lands, you can spec every 5t right

[weary drift]

Was thinking just taking it without investing in mage damage

[cursive edge]

only caveat is you gotta be within 3 tiles, so the thing that gives you accuracy per tile of distance can mean vs some bosses sang still wins

[small flower]

oh so the spec is more like door slam?

guess that makes sense

[cursive edge]

its like spear from last league

from the looks of it

[small flower]

k

[cursive edge]

does dmg without interrupting your attacks

[proper wave]

3 tiles wtf lol

[small flower]

ohh

then yea that could be pretty good

[proper wave]

It says attack range is 7 tiles, what am I missing?

[sinful swallow]

Is kbd crossbow a 1h or 2h

[cursive edge]

so every 5 hits, you get a free 130% max hit for 0 cost.

So if each hit does 50% max hit on avg, thats (5 x 50) + 130 = 380

And 380/250 = 1.52

[proper wave]

Oh you mean the aoe

[cursive edge]

so 52% more dps just from that spec

[proper wave]

Spec

[small flower]

yea the spec itself

[proper wave]

Right makes sense

Do you think the spec node will work with it? 20% chance not to consume spec energy? Lol

[cursive edge]

nah

[mossy pond]

2h

[small flower]

yea, it doesn't use spec energy int he first place

its got its own counter

[proper wave]

Ah dang ok

[weary drift]

So mage investment for it is crucial or would just getting 1t be enough??

[sinful swallow]

Ok so no shield

[toxic vortex]

block fossil island wyverns?

[cursive edge]

itll be great without much investment

if youre wanting to be like hybrid

[toxic vortex]

woops, wrong channel

[cursive edge]

id grab the water regen nodes to path in, solid chunk of healing

maybe 8-9 pts in mage tree max

[sinful swallow]

Updated build

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=11xFAwiMCAPDwCwQELCwREAM&name=Grapeshot

[latent magnet]

Transmute does not work on cooked fish or ingots.

Hotfoot actually has poor synergy with transmute

[sinful swallow]

Ye you transmute raw sardines then cook with hotcoot

[latent magnet]

Hmmm

[sinful swallow]

Hotfoot gives 100% chance to cook

[latent magnet]

You still need the cooking level though

[sinful swallow]

Yea but no burn chance and transmute makes that easy

[weary drift]

Yeah I could spend that, siccckkkk

[proper wave]

I was thinking crystal blessing now that it includes magic, but not sure which mage staff to go for. I think the quadrant and water for healing

[sinful swallow]

You can just catch the fastest fish transmute your best cooking and never burn

[mossy pond]

Why the air rune node?

[sinful swallow]

Im taking EH hotfoot transmute

[sinful swallow]

Im taking cox and still gonna need a mage set

Water surge uses air

[small flower]

seems reasonable then, though I do wonder if over 100% regen matters to ranged echoes with how its worded

[proper wave]

When using a spell that uses say 5 water runes, would you heal 5 or just 1?

[sinful swallow]

It says you can reg over

So 2 ammo regen means 2 echo chances

[sinful swallow]

5

[small flower]

for the individual elemental rune regen nodes it specifies per rune regenerated

was it clarified anywhere that it applies to the base range/mage nodes for regen as well?

[proper wave]

Gotcha and if you have 100% regen, you'd regen from each rune spent and heal from it I guess is how it works?

[sinful swallow]

Yea and if you get 150% and regen 2 you would heal 2

[mossy pond]

Any DPS calcs the KBD cbow implemented?

[sinful swallow]

Since thats how it works for magic ranged should also echo per arrow reg

[tacit oyster]

basically same as zcb, slightly less dps since weaker bolt procs. dont think it is in any calc yet.

[junior phoenix]

Does anyone know full stop how the KBD cbow works?

How the second hit works

[tacit oyster]

King's Barrage is 5 ticks on rapid. The second bolt will benefit from water pacts if you have the pact that make ice spells count as water spells. It also does full damage to corp like the Khopesh did.
Kings barrage splits its max hit between both attacks. Its a multi hit weapon like the infernal tecpatl

[junior phoenix]

Oh fuck that's shite

[sinful swallow]

You sure it splits its max hit

[junior phoenix]

I guess with ice and full water investment it's a bit of extra dps

[wary egret]

I think it’s going to be mega broken hotswapping between kcb and mage with the pact guaranteed max hit pacts

[small flower]

looking for clarification since the wording between that, the elemental rune ones, and the generic magic one are all slightly different

[sinful swallow]

No it procs the 60% dmg heal

[tacit oyster]

it came from jmod #1163395763146068008 message

[small flower]

yea, jmod clarified

[cursive edge]

how many gear swaps are people envisioning for this?

[small flower]

sadly the amox weap too

[junior phoenix]

I worked that out actually it does very little extra damage

[cursive edge]

like you want 50 prayer bonus for the mage setup

but you prob want some range gear on for the crossbow hit too

[sinful swallow]

Damn thats a little ik but its fine heavy ballista is still my dmg weapon im using kbd for healing

[junior phoenix]

Okay yes that's true, but in dps terms it's quite disappointing

[mossy pond]

Yeah I thought the cbow will have 2 separate max hits rather than just splitting one

[sinful swallow]

Since its a pact heal you can get to 190hp with it

[wary egret]

I was just going to rock ancestral and only swap staff/tambourin and kcb

[junior phoenix]

Yeah no I'm warming to it, it's a ~18% dps buff with an average 72 heal every 5 seconds

[wary egret]

Especially since kcb is on a 7 tick cycle

Kcb, 3 mage attacks, back to kcb

[sinful swallow]

Im running olm so it basicaly lets me hit mage hand in range set for 75%dmg

[junior phoenix]

I think all in KBD cbow is the best dps in the league other than situational high elemental weakness fire builds

Inclined to say it runs around 60 ish dps with massive heal, plus you can up the heal a tiny bit with onyx bolts

[cursive edge]

hold on is that how it works?

[junior phoenix]

No, and it's not a good strat either

[cursive edge]

wouldnt you just do your kcb attack, then you have to wait 7t to attack with mage anyway

you dont get to skip the attack delay

by switching to mage

[cursive edge]

howd you reach the number 60, out of curiosity?

[fair spruce]

Wanted to confirm and couldn’t find it. Does woodsman give double clues from imps?

[primal merlin]

60 dps seems a bit high

[small flower]

it doesn't list an exclusion on it i would guess so

since the thieving relic does list an exclusion for clues, i'ma guess it's fine

[primal merlin]

Ive seen 50 with builds that you swap between sunlight crossbow and air spells

that I wouldn't wanna do

but 60 defo seems high

[bleak depot]

How are you guys checking dps with leagues items is there a calc out ? Cause i dont see anything osrs news

[primal merlin]

osrs wiki has it

but doesnt have everything

and its still iffy

[tacit oyster]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/osrs-dps/

[bleak depot]

I was on the wiki but no echo items ?

[mossy pond]

There are some echo items

[brave oracle]

What do you guys think about TZM (melee) with endless harvest, woodsman, map of alacrity, transmutation, larcenist, culling, reload nature's accord? I'm pretty sure every skill's covered, maybe some are a little slower that they could be, but I don't know if changing relics to cover those skills is a time save or time loss because of my inexperience with leagues

[mossy pond]

Not all yet

[bleak depot]

Yeah no devils element on there, and idk what the trident is called

Or quadrant ? Idk

[small flower]

fork

[bleak depot]

Nvm I’m lying it’s in there now

[cursive edge]

oh nice they are

[mossy pond]

KBD cbow still not there

[cursive edge]

well soem of them

blessing in there at least

[small flower]

yea, shouldn't be long if theyr'e already on it

[tacit oyster]

king's crossbow needs confirmations before they add it.

they only just recently confirmed how the double hit mechanic works

[plain pasture]

so it seems kbd crossbow is wholely dependant on whether both hits count individually for echo + what echoes can hit i.e do thave a built in damage cap or can echoes hit the same as what ur normal maxhit is

for example maxhit 210 > echo 210

[potent quail]

weirdest hit distribution ever

[sinful swallow]

Echos are on ammo regen not hit firing triggers them dosnt matter if you miss

[plain pasture]

yeh im saying what is their maxhit

or are they capped

so if my maxhit is 210, am i potentially hitting 210 with echoes or are they capped say somethign stupid like 8 with burn mechanics

theres no information i can find indicating what the echoes can hit

[sinful swallow]

Echos last season wernt capped and followed your equipments benefits would be wierd if its not the same this year

[plain pasture]

so theoretically... you could hit 210 crossbow > 210/210/210/210/210/210/210 on echoes

[primal merlin]

You're not gonna

but you could

[sinful swallow]

And since in the melee tree thier is a perk to echo shot range that specifies its treated as if you had crossbow bow and knife equiped it would be wierd if it didnt max it like a crossbow

[tacit oyster]

crossbow hit into 4 echoes would be possible yes, dps calc max hit assumes you get that rng

[small flower]

ye, that's why blindbag+echo maxhits for melee weapons is like 1500-2k

XD

[tacit oyster]

melee max hit with everything max hitting also being 2500

[small flower]

on that calc at least

[sinful swallow]

The big thing now is that echos can miss

[plain pasture]

is there a limit to stacking of echoes, say 2t knives

[small flower]

shouldn't be a problem with crossbow, assuming the double accuracy roll counts on the echoes

[plain pasture]

with it potentially stacking multiple each hit

[sinful swallow]

So you could hit 210 then succeed the roll for an echo and miss but still proc another echo

[sinful swallow]

Tru

[plain pasture]

lets say im hitting with knives 2t speed, i proc echo , then again on next hit do they all stack you think

[small flower]

doubly not a problem for ... melee-proc'd range echoes since you can take the bow node

[plain pasture]

so potentially unlimited b2b echoes

[small flower]

just thrown weapons getting the shaft there

[plain pasture]

i wanna know if this would apply tbh

[small flower]

as long as its like last league, they'll be entirely seperate from your attacking animations

it'll just keep going

[plain pasture]

yeh because u rem kopesh

u could have echoes spamming nonstop for a while

with no limit

[small flower]

well, not unlimited for ranged echoes here, it does specify it stops at 4

the blindbags dont tho?

[plain pasture]

yeh but thats per hit

so say im using 2t knives, could it potentially just keep stacking em up

[tacit oyster]

according to wiki blindbag would be limited to 5

[small flower]

I suppose i have no idea if the echoes themselves are on a stack or would be concurrent

[sinful swallow]

No its just 5 for max bonus

[potent quail]

mhhhh this does not seem right
It should be always a max hit because of air mastery

[sinful swallow]

It can grab anything over 5 in your bag but all benefits need min 5 unique items in bag

[small flower]

no i mean they don't specify a limit for cascades

it says 15%+up to 10% chance, and that blindbags can trigger more blindbags

so just roll a 1/4 repeatedly forever?

what in the world is the name of the amox echo again

nvm, tecpatl, that'll be something else to remember -_-

oh, and that one's not in yet either 🙁

[tacit oyster]

yes but wiki also caps the blindbag activating blindbag to 5 times

[junior phoenix]

I was thinking 20% ish buff over the original 50 dps, but it's actually a bit lower. I still get 56dps though

150% regen x 35% + 15% echos becomes an average of around 1 echo per hit (67.5% chance of the first, plus chance at others) plus never mind I'm an idiot because the crossbow echo hits don't max do they?

[primal merlin]

correct

[tacit oyster]

no guaranteed max hit on echo hits

[primal merlin]

only thrown do

[junior phoenix]

Darn. That's a painful nerf

Equals out crossbows after all

[sinful swallow]

T.T

[languid mauve]

I think yall looking too far into math and calcs

Just do what looks cool and have fun

Then respec when fun runs out

[small flower]

that is indeed the plan when playing

overplanning to a ridiculous degree is what the weekend before is for tho

only to drop every plan and do something else the day of

[wary python]

My DPS calc doesn't have pacts or echo weapons included. Where can I find the one you guys are using?

[small flower]

the wiki calc only has some of them added atm

[languid mauve]

You find it on day 1 of leagues when u start playing

[tacit oyster]

wiki dps calc https://tools.runescape.wiki/osrs-dps/

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/president-stops-president-smiles-ominous-smile-ominous-no-answer-gif-78197234359887585

[wary python]

thank you

[pliant temple]

are powered staves just shit compared to regular casting this leagues? seems like theres only a very small handful of things that boost them but maybe im mising something

[small flower]

they're still pretty good, depends on regions and what you're doin really

[tacit oyster]

crystal armor + crystal blessing work on them

[pliant temple]

yeah i figured with crystal it would be good

[small flower]

in wildy on task? can hit like 53 dps with accursed scept, drops significantly elsewhere though

[pliant temple]

im just theorycrafting my potential build and was thinking of doing melee + powered staves

[small flower]

shadow's always gonna be up there tho

[pliant temple]

melee is going to be my primary thing (nally blindbag) and was thinking powered staves or maybe looking into adding crossbow, but i dont really want to take wildy just for the bow

[small flower]

would probably work out well, crystal armor covers both, minimal switching required

actually that might be the way to go with cerb dagger

[mossy pond]

How does echo CG work? Do you need to do the prep?

[small flower]

no, once you've gotten the orb from corrupted gaunt, you can just go straight to boss fight

(assuming it has not changed)

[languid mauve]

Just need to cry a little

[tacit oyster]

The Corrupted Hunllef (Echo) encounter does not include a preparation phase. Instead, players are dropped into the Corrupted Gauntlet beside the Hunllef room with all three perfected corrupted weapons, perfected corrupted armour, fourteen paddlefish, two egniol potion (4), and a crystal dagger (perfected), which is unique to this fight. Although tools can be retrieved from the Tool Storage, the player cannot leave the starting room and boss room, and cannot gather more supplies.

[languid mauve]

Thats all the prep

[small flower]

lol

[pliant temple]

my current plan is mory+tir (undecided on last region) melee nally+blindbag as my main dps style and probably powered staves as my secondary

[small flower]

it definitely took a little to learn last league

[languid mauve]

This is epic etf? Seriously?

I hate cg ehich is why i never go prif

This might actually be doable as a 3rd region

[mossy pond]

Nice, how rare is the orb?

[pliant temple]

third region for me might just wind up being kourend so i can learn cox but it doesnt really give me anything else that i want, just a piece of content i want to get familiar with

[small flower]

uhhh, they were like 1/25 last time? idk if they've said rates yet

for this one

[tacit oyster]

1/15 from cg last time

[mossy pond]

Oh no thats too much CG

[small flower]

lol

CG is fun enough in small amounts, it honestly feels about like what I wish dungeoneering was, short, bossfight, immediate rewards

[tacit oyster]

Me killing 200 kq last league while the desert echo orb was bugged and not even on drop table

[small flower]

oof

i got reasonably lucky with echo stuff last go

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-funny-laugh-gif-11964564

[proper wave]

What do we do for gloves?

[small flower]

confliction or regen brace

[proper wave]

Dumb question sorry

[languid mauve]

You put em on

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-rizz-rizz-gif-11157824601050747846

[small flower]

wear 'em like a hat

[short sphinx]

This is my exact dilemma

[proper wave]

Yeah I'm doing a melee build but not gonna be able to get fero gloves so I wasn't sure

[short sphinx]

Like fremmy just for the hat?

[small flower]

pretty much regen brace

[slim crag]

Okay, I think I've figured out the general build route for this season. Olm and Sol have no chance.

[small flower]

unless we get access to barrow gloves for free or something odd

[pliant temple]

i would say i do fremmy for hat but im planning on slayer relic so thats a little worse off

idk i might just pick for content rather than unlocks bc if im set on nally blindbag i dont really need more than mory and tir

[brave oracle]

do you think we'll be able to do gold sinks with larcenist and transmutation

[potent quail]

i ahte my build now

all my BiS are clue items

[languid mauve]

If ur going mage that hat sucks

The entire reason im not going fremmy anymore

[small flower]

am I missing something? it's slay helm(i) with better tank stats than ancestral hat

and the spec passive (though i guess that may or may not matter for a mage)

[cursive edge]

This is ideal Wind Surge gear IMO. Kandarin + Kourend + Wildy for it. Soul Cape is unobtainable this league sadly

[short sphinx]

Maybe asgarnia for god swords sounds fun

[cursive edge]

98% chance to max hit. Could run a sunfire helm or something to cap it out

[proper wave]

This is literally what I'm doing lol. Except before getting Nally, I'm going to get the infernal boppers from amoxi. They're 3.6kg so "heavy", 2h, and 4t, so they'll proc blindbag and accessible much sooner than Nally. Also, I wonder if since there are 2 hit splats it might have 2 chances to proc blindbag

[pliant temple]

asgarnia isnt a bad choice, also gives piety which isnt nothing

i was thinking the same thing about double hitsplat

[small flower]

you have a dragonbone neck on but not going fremm?

[copper gorge]

Asgarnia gives piety too?

[proper wave]

No

Kandarin gives piety

[pliant temple]

i thought it did must be thinking of wrong region

[languid mauve]

Piety is kand

[pliant temple]

yeah true

my b

[languid mauve]

Castle next to seers teleport

[pliant temple]

asgarnia and kandarin meld together in my head

[languid mauve]

Its all good

[potent quail]

is cox raid though which may be annoying

[little ermine]

for king barrage, region to get is obv wildy. I was thinking desert for the range gear, im but lost on which region i should get for the last one

[proper wave]

Kandarin for piety since we are doing melee primarily, plus thermy for devils element and elemental staff since I'm doing crystal blessing for hybrid gear. Shadowflame+ element, plus crystal blessing and conflicting gauntlet sounds like it goes hard

[small flower]

you've got 4 regions worth of gear, could swap kourend out for fremm, keep the necklace/ring, put boots to echo boots (loses 1 prayer bonus) and pants to w/e

[pliant temple]

really might just wind up picking kourend just to get familiar with cox since my two primary regions solve my pacts

[cursive edge]

wait do I? Kourend, Kandarin, Wildy, Varlamore

The amulet comes from hydra

not vorkath

[languid mauve]

Doing this is a good plan since blessing + cryst armor + two mage echo items will still make you do absurd magic damage even without purely magic focused regions

[small flower]

oh he straight up drops bonecrusher?

[languid mauve]

Its vorkath

[small flower]

image is dragonbone XD

[tacit oyster]

both vorkath and hydra drop it

[languid mauve]

Its one of his super uniques

Along side the visage

[tacit oyster]

hydra drops upgraded version

[cursive edge]

Vorkath drops one of the partial items

Hydra drops an upgrade to it

so in leagues you get the whole thing lol

[small flower]

well that works then

image is just wrong 😛

[languid mauve]

Theres an upgrade to bonetooth necklace

?

[potent leaf]

Is larcenist worth it if I’m picking WZA or should I go with the clue relic to reload?

[cursive edge]

but yeah whoops, meant to put bonecrusher necklace

[tacit oyster]

bonecrusher neclace

[cursive edge]

not dragonbone

[proper wave]

Yeah but my primary plan is melee blindbag, but I figure before I get the nox hally, I might get into a situation I can't melee something so I need a ranged option

[small flower]

idk if you'd get much out of larcenist with those regions

[languid mauve]

Wait a minute…. Let me log into osrs and see what i got

[small flower]

it apparently doesn't work on chests

[cursive edge]

same stats tho

[small flower]

yep

[potent leaf]

Oh well guess I’ll go with the clue one

[cursive edge]

Kourend seemed decent, for +1 pray on blessing, +1 on boots, +2 on amulet, and augury

[weary drift]

If going elemental mage, is it worth it to pick two different masteries? Like going air and water?

[cursive edge]

and a raid region

and the ancestral piece to slot in

[tropic cloak]

does the dps calculator not calculate the crystal blessing? or is virtus just better than full crystal + crystal blessing when using magic

[copper gorge]

Gem stalls in kourend castle and karamja would be useful for crafting. Kourend master farmer too

[cursive edge]

it does calculate it

crystal should win

it only applies to powered staves tho

[cursive edge]

with this setup, wind surge is doing around 47-48 dps vs no inherent weaknesses

[small flower]

would depend I think, but any of them + water and just an occasional manual cast of water would probably be good yea

[weary drift]

Well I was thinking going mage and thrown range, just using water to afk slayer and whatnot

[small flower]

it does calc, but if you're casting ancients, virtus is better, the crystal gets 20 mag acc and +2% per piece, and the set bonus only counts for powered staves
so for any ancients casting virtus wins

[languid mauve]

Yeah i got dragon one thats insane i never knew there was an upgrade

[latent magnet]

are we gonna have access to wildy slayer 🥺

[small flower]

think someone said any slayer task done in wildy counts

[languid mauve]

Easiest way to tell is 27% magic damage vs whatever crystal bless does

[latent magnet]

so wildy task bonus?

[languid mauve]

Yes

[small flower]

they coulda just forced whats-her-name to move to the enclave tho

[copper gorge]

We have access to zanaris so you can kill targets in wildy

[copper gorge]

Dont think so.

[latent magnet]

yeah this is what i wanted

krystillia in ferox would make wildy such an S tier pick

but now im reconsidering

[languid mauve]

They did say u wont have issues with wildy slayet

[copper gorge]

Thought about wildy but mage too op.

[small flower]

as long as I can get rev tasks i'm fine

[copper gorge]

Kandarin tir mory

[latent magnet]

i was thinking wildy zeah mory but now im not sure if i wanna pick wildy just for the crossbow

its got good money and prayer solves but thats about it

[copper gorge]

That was my entire reason for going wildy

I had a sick melee cbow build. Completely blowing that up and doing a mage melee

[latent magnet]

perhaps

[static notch]

Might go water mage kandarin zeah wildy

[latent magnet]

i just realized how boring waiting for cbow hits is gonna be

mage melee sounds like the plan if im gonna pick zeah

i get ancestral and oathplate

[potent quail]

can we imbue items for free this league?

[static notch]

Costs GP and requires Kandarin

[potent quail]

huge

Kandarin actually insane region

[potent quail]

hit 50 with KWM
big downside
need to spam Shades of Morton

[tropic cloak]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-101-11-112-113-114-122-123-127-128-129-131-133-134-136-139-140-141-145-146-167-44-45-48-55-57-58-59-60-61-68-70-71-8-81-84-87-93-99

what should i pick as my third region since im gonna go with desert and kandarin. gonna do a shadow spell spam build with thorns

[wary egret]

So I’m going zeah, kandarin, and wildy

Would I need larcenist or soul harvest or is natures accord by best pick?

[copper gorge]

Tir

[wary egret]

Also going transmute

[potent quail]

really depends on your other relics lol

[latent magnet]

zeah mory kandarin?

[tropic cloak]

im kinda on the edge about that, tirranwn doesnt really have any upgrades for me since im gonna be casting ancients, and the crystal blessing doesnt really work with it

[wary egret]

In my head thieving is solved by artifacts, pray is solved by wildy altar, RC is solved by ZMI

[copper gorge]

Why zeah and mory?

[weary drift]

Thinking smth similar, probably ZKA going water mage and dragon dart (from Yama) or knives from hydra with thorns as some extra dps

[potent quail]

well looks like farming is unsolved

[wary egret]

Less about farming (tithe) and more about herb tbh

[weary drift]

Relics?

[potent quail]

you got herb seeeds with transmute

[cursive edge]

mine was 49 but with 1 ancestral piece on. Was 54 with full god vestments

but >50 is useless

[copper gorge]

You can also steal seeds from master farmer

[molten gust]

Don't forget that everyone will also have mastering mixo. Sure its not the best exp but its easy to do and has some nice bits.

[copper gorge]

Transmute up and down as needed

[wary egret]

Current plan is EH, Hotfoot, Evil Eye, Transmute, ____, culling spree, maybe reload but depends what last T6 is

[copper gorge]

You gotta get there too tho lol

[molten gust]

Its only 60 herblore. not too bad XD

But yeah def a bit of a struggle to get there.

[wary egret]

Soul shards ZMI does sound cracked though

[latent magnet]

20 points for this seems cracked

lots of hp and prayer sustain

[languid mauve]

Ur missing one

The healing one

[cursive edge]

has anybody managed to get a blindbag build doing more than 30dps lol?

without slayer helm

[weary drift]

With air I managed 20dps without quadrant nor devils element, wind migbt be strong

[latent magnet]

i have them

[cursive edge]

yeah wind i got to 48 DPS

smoke barrage also 48 dps

[languid mauve]

Its not in ur picture 😮

[small flower]

19.6 using the ass tecpatl as a stand-in for the echo one

idk if it counts spec dps in there as well, but i'd have that plus better weapon stats

[proper wave]

How does blindbag dmg scale? Like based off the melee str of the weapon in the bag or tick speed?

[small flower]

that's without piety

[weary drift]

I’m considering removing all my thorns to spec into water/air and thrown range

[small flower]

it's based off the weapon it throws

plus your melee stats

[cursive edge]

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=ArderBuildersSelected

why is this shit like 26 dps in max gear?

[small flower]

i guess

[cursive edge]

i do only have 3 blindbag weps in there, 3 scythes. Seemed any 4th wep i addded lowered the dps

[languid mauve]

Its gonna take u awhile to get 3 scythes

[cursive edge]

im not playin that shit lol

[small flower]

lowered it?

only raises when i put 'em in

[cursive edge]

like if i add a soulreaper as 4th blindbag

dps drops

try it on my dps calc link

[small flower]

huh

weird

[cursive edge]

im just confused why the dps ends up so low, when multiple mage setups push 50 dps, and crossbows like 40+ with lots of healing

[languid mauve]

@quartz laurel both hits max hit if you have the pact node, Mod Husky confirmed this in live stream reveal. But as with all things changes can and will be made at will

[cursive edge]

ah ok hold on, i had distance to enemy on 0

[small flower]

oh

it's the scythe trio

something about it does that

yea i'm at 23.4 with the scythe trio

but just throwing random godswords in the bag puts it at 19

[wary egret]

Okay even with wildy and kandarin is soul harvest still going to be amazing?

[cursive edge]

35 dps at 7 distance, tho wont be able to keep distance in many cases

[wary egret]

Or is the opportunity cost of larcenist/natures too great

[cursive edge]

yeah i mean, i figured its because any other wep is so much weaker

[languid mauve]

Soul harvest or soul reaper axe?

[cursive edge]

that if you add it to the pool itll replace a scythe hit

and do less dmg

[wary egret]

Soul harvest lol sorry

[small flower]

also curious why your maxhit is so much lower

[languid mauve]

U dont need soul harvest if you going wildy

Chaos altar will fix that

[small flower]

first loadout is what i'm comparing yours to

https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=StrongholdChipsScimitar

[languid mauve]

Even if you farm dragon bones irself

[tired notch]

Do earth spells deal +1 damage for every visible defence level or is it multiples?

[wicked scroll]

I haven't followed any of the leagues stuff yet. Can anyone suggest a low skill path for this league? (I'm like 1500 total in the main game with little experience bossing and such)

[cursive edge]

why tecpatl?

[small flower]

the master pact node says it's +1 per 12 defense levels

[small flower]

it's a stand-in XD

the echo tecpatl is a 4 speed 2hander heavy weapon with dclaw spec

that hits twice

[cursive edge]

hmm

[wary egret]

How chaos altar?

[small flower]

ranged echos trigger on hit

not on attack

[wary egret]

Would ZMI not be better?

[cursive edge]

are double hitting weps meant to be good for blidnbag?

[small flower]

not for blindbag

for echoes

i think that's what i'ma do, but i dont know what third region yet

not like i need more gear

XD

[tough finch]

I think blindbag into ranged echoes into ranged echo upgrades might be the best economical build before killing the echoes and getting closer to 15-20pts

[cursive edge]

ah you have slayer helm on as well

[small flower]

i have culling spree checked

[cursive edge]

but yeah idk, just seems like mage and some ranged builds do 2x the dps of melee

[small flower]

but id ont have on slayer task checked

[lapis flax]

because you dont have 7 tile distance

[weary drift]

What set up are you using to hit 40 dps on cbow??

[cursive edge]

yeah i fixed it, went up to 35 dps

but like 35 dps on the condition you maintain 7 tiles which you very often cant

[wicked scroll]

Can anyone suggest a low skill path for this league?

[cursive edge]

with 3 scythes

vs gg echo powered staff build poppin out 50 dps

with giga healing

and max hp

[tough finch]

Just did. Rush blindbag and go into the ranged echoes from melee node. Then upgrade the ranged echoes from the ranged tree.

[lapis flax]

you also only have 26 pacts

[wicked scroll]

Ah missed it. ty!

[stuck charm]

I'm just gonna go tribrid and do like 30 DPS in all specs rather than do 40-50 in a single spec and nothing in the others.

[lapis flax]

also if you are putting 3 scythes may aswell make it 5, uncharged ones count as a different item

[little ermine]

what regions to unlock beisde wildy for king barrage?

[small flower]

even another uncharged lowers the dps XD

that is definitely odd

i'll probably be happy with a buncha godswords in the bag and not worry too much about it till wayyyyy later

[tough finch]

Only takes 9 pts to get online, once you get the +15% chance to proc ranged echoes added to your melee echoes youre probably cruising for a while. Plenty of other strong low pt options too. Try to play with what you can get for around 9-10 pts

[cursive edge]

https://dps.osrs.wiki/?id=AncientRaurgTelescope

I believe the KBD cbow is similar stats to zcb + buckler. Regions here are Asgarnia + Wildy + Kandarin

[small flower]

yea super early blindbag+rangedechos is going to be quite nice, can probably do barrows for early decent stat 2handers

[weary drift]

Would void be good for mage too? Just thinking of it lol

[small flower]

oh, yea you were also missing the ranged echo cascade point too, that boosts to 37

though the actual benefit of that is a bit lower

10% chance for a repeat isn't gonna be that often

[cursive edge]

ehh, not really

[small flower]

idk if i'd even say early, blue moon is available in start region

[wary egret]

Is there any good range gear in zeah wildy kandarin? lol

[small flower]

uhh, you always have huey hide

and eclipse

[cursive edge]

anguish, kbd crossbow

rigour

[wary egret]

I guess I meant more armor to complement the crossbow lol

[weary drift]

This is 4 regions? Need zeah for buckler

[small flower]

yea idk other than huey/eclipse

[languid mauve]

Its 3.5x xp 25 dragon bones assuming inven is not empty X 3.5 x 5 for starting leagues xp rates is 31.5K prayer xp which btw chaos temple has the 50% rate for not consuming a bone which means that 1 inven of 25 for 31.5 could easily turn into 50k pray xp on base leagues rates. Therefore unless ur trying to go for beyond 77 prayer u wont need relic for the prayer shards

Little bit of effort will net the same effect at a slower rate

[wary egret]

Oh sorry I thought you meant for RC xp

[languid mauve]

Yeah im sorry i said chaos altar but meant temple

[wary egret]

Yeah if I take soul harvest it’s for RC not pray

[cursive edge]

i explained, i am simulating the KBD crosbow with ZCB + buckler

since its not in the calc yet

[languid mauve]

If u take soul u win both regardless

[wary egret]

Probably worth considering kcb is going to be way easier to get than zcb and buckler

[cursive edge]

There was no intention to use zcb and buckler. I just put them in the dps calc to simulate the dps of the KCB

as the stats are similar

[weary drift]

Does the ice hit on KBD wep count as casting a spell? Does it proc the water healing if you have the unlock to make ice count?

[small flower]

and since maxhit is split on KCB, it's mostly just adding in some damage you'd get from the health% water node

yea

[sinful swallow]

Wont spend runes for water rune bonus but it will bounce back for 60% healing

[cursive edge]

yeah so is that confirmed to also apply?

so at 189 hp, its adding 38% dmg to water spells, and half your hit is considered a water spell. So effectively 19% more damage

thats pretty nice

[small flower]

well it did say the water effects counted

i guess they didn't specify exactly which ones that was, but there's only 2 of 'em that would count since it doesn't use runes

[sinful swallow]

I just plan to have that crossbow for healing when i run out of food in inv

[mint stone]

Do we know that the tirannwn echo will count towards the crystal helm buff if we take the culling spree relic? Will it stack and we get both slayer helm (i) and crystal helm passive additively?

[weary drift]

I’ve been considering either a lot of builds lol, bows seem meh but bowfa would be nice on a mage crystal build.
Crossbows are good but for highest dps kandarin and wildy are both wanted, possibly swapping wildy for asg and eating the downgrade and just using onyx bolts to heal but that unlocks the option for zeah which unlocks the need to forgo grim.

Thrown is okay, strong early and somewhere in the 23dps, and good aoe, strong with thorns since melee gear can be used.

Mage seems strongest when used in kandarin for air spells, water is good for healing.

Powered staves are good, little investment to make strong in points and regions since you start with Ayak and conflictions, still probably want zeah for prayers.

Melee seems to have one mega build that can be split. Blindbag hally seems HYPER rng but possible highest damage in the game.

Hope that wasn’t too much lol

[cursive edge]

Blindbag is not highest dmg at all

[sleek wraith]

Looks like I’ll be dropping mory. Echo item seems meh

[cursive edge]

I mean if you mean it can RNG roll a big single hit then sure

but DPS wise it seems quite bad

For powered staves you def dont need zeah for prayers. Augury is quite a small upgrade

[small flower]

and if you really want it, there's always grimoire or reloaded back to grimoire, or if you go asgarnia just use the small version

[cursive edge]

I'd be surprised if it didn't work.

[weary drift]

Highest single hit I mean

[cursive edge]

I wouldve thought a crossbow can beat it

5 back to back echo self procs

all max hitting

its neat, but generally DPS is what matters

expected/average dps

[warped turtle]

When you kill an echo boss do you have to respec at that time or can you bank all 3 respecs for late game?

[weary drift]

The highest melee RNG spike is 1.6k

[small flower]

actual single hitsplat would be air, water or hally i would think?

[weary drift]

If talking one splat its range or mage, one attack with the god of luck on your side is melee

[cursive edge]

ah right, cause melee procs ranged echoes too eh

[cursive edge]

Smoke Barrage I'd guess

well, nah

smoke barrage hits an 86

nothing insane

[small flower]

yea that seems likely

[cursive edge]

98-99 with slayer helm

bonus

[weary drift]

Real quick, how much damage does the water stuff actually add to the KBD cbow?

[wary egret]

But if you drop mory, how will you do nylo room? /s

[odd mountain]

How can I ask Mod Ash to make 3rd age longsword weight 1 gram less?

[small flower]

assuming only the second half gets it, and you're at max health, it'd be like 19% increase overall (half of max * 1.37 or 1.38, somewhere around there)

[weary drift]

So it’s pretty significant dps upgrade, was considering dropping it for a thorns package but it seems like a lot lol

[small flower]

who knows how the node scales , i'm assuming it's linear at least

the range one at least just says +1 range str per 10 over XD

I keep trying to poke around a tree where blood barrage fire focus makes sense, just feels weak tho

maybe if the burn does more than just 1 per stack it'd be worthwhile

[languid mauve]

Ask him on Twitter and maybe God Ash will respond who knows

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-rizz-rizz-gif-11157824601050747846

[weary drift]

Thoughts on forgoing 30+ dps but using hespori bow to afk anything??

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/puke-vomit-nausea-nauseous-jim-carrey-gif-6414990571697035561

[weary drift]

Never mind I just read the bow, damn that sucks

[small flower]

it would be fine for afking most things still

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/your-not-that-guy-yourenotthatguy-gif-22098263

Me looking at the bow

Lol

Ok it was funny to me

[weary drift]

Why did the make the bow not overheal you? Plus it’s 50% for 10%

[cloud panther]

hmmm

[small flower]

i suppose since they already gave the KCB a water spell component, having 2 ranged weapons do that would be odd?

idk

[cloud panther]

wanna do a mage/thorns build but that would mean not using the devil's element

[small flower]

works out fine if you go for powered staff

[sleek wraith]

welp. ef it. im dropping asgarnia. going ZTM lol

prif is hard to pass up now

[small flower]

TW for crystal+arcane spirit shield

then wahtever region for the staff you want

[weary drift]

Powered staff gang

[small flower]

or TD, the wards good too

crystal's double purpose there, pretty good defensive stats for a mage armor, and the power staff damage bonus

[cloud panther]

Guess what I choose depends on those final 2 relics really

[small flower]

yea, i'm mostly set, but wanna know what that last t8 relic is

[weary drift]

Powered staves can’t proc any of the elemental masteries can they,

[latent magnet]

i feel like mage has good sustain but thats it. i calced some bosses with a water mage build and the accuracy isnt that good

[latent magnet]

they cannot

no synergy between elemental and powered staves

[small flower]

there's those 4 "powered staff attacks regen 1 xx rune" so you can get a very minor bonus at the start

but nothing major no

[latent magnet]

im thinking melee and range is gonna be the play

wildy zeah mory

[weary drift]

Wildy seems so nice because the prayer lol

[bleak depot]

Will the crystal armor set effect with blessing work on all magic or just powered staves?

[small flower]

just powered staves, but the other effect will work just as base stats

[bleak depot]

What’s the difference

[small flower]

you get +20 magic accuracy and +2% magic damage per crystal armor piece with the blessing on

but the 30% accuracy 15% damage is for powered staves only

[bleak depot]

Oh damn really? That’s a fuckin shame

Makin me rethink Tiranwynn then

[latent magnet]

this is gonna be a good early game tree to take into wildy

or get from wildy

wildy is gonna be very easy early pacts

[inner zenith]

looking for afvice for order of area unlock, Im thknin goin g Z-K-M thoughts?

[bleak depot]

What build waffles

I’m assuming magic or hybrid ?

[latent magnet]

i just realized i dont need to take the slow crossbow relic lol

[inner zenith]

hybrid yh

[latent magnet]

its probably better dps but im not gonna like how it feels

[inner zenith]

mage with melee

[bleak depot]

I would probably take Morytania last. I took it first last league and it was a slog

[inner zenith]

I agree, it feels majority end gaem lol

I feel zeah then kand right?

[rugged mauve]

has anything been said about how king's barrage interacts with crossbow pacts

[short sphinx]

im just stuck on 1 more region i have try and mory long range blind bag hali.... im think fremmy but idk it would be nice to have piety but the kanarin echo weapons dont help my build at all...

[pliant temple]

me and you are both still stuck on that gray lol

[sinful swallow]

No idea what order i want

[short sphinx]

would god sword be broken with blind bag?

[sinful swallow]

I know im going zeah kandarin wildy

[rugged mauve]

scyth from mory in blind bag already

[sinful swallow]

You can have 3 scyths

[short sphinx]

6*

technically

[rugged mauve]

does the varla echo weapon proc blindbag twice?

[latent magnet]

initial bow spec and zeah for hespori recurve
cbow spec with wildy and fight cave
slayer grind after mory, fast whip into raids

[short sphinx]

im probably doing try as first region since i can spec into power stave for gaunlet easy

[pliant temple]

is this about all you can get for powered staves from pacts?

[weary drift]

How much dps are people hitting with air mage?

[short sphinx]

that what my early game is looking like

wait have they confirmed if gauntlet staff works with it ?

[small flower]

i dont see why it shouldn't, it's a power staff

[small flower]

blindbag is an on attack trigger, so no, but it should be able to do a ranged echo per hit

[short sphinx]

yeah it would suck to first region it and it not be

[formal furnace]

For scythe blindbag, did they confirm if each hit splat has a chance to trigger the bb or would all splats just be considered a single hit?

[short sphinx]

only 1 hit from scythe

[sinful swallow]

Confirmed hit trigger not splat

[formal furnace]

Ahh okay cool, thanks guys 🙂

[short sphinx]

what are your region choices

[formal furnace]

Still deciding, trying to figure out what kind of build I’ll go with so haven’t cemented regions yet

[junior phoenix]

Yeah blindbag is still trash that sucks

[short sphinx]

naaah blindbag is good

watch Faux talk about it

[pliant temple]

this is my plan as of right now but not sure if im going to stick with it. mory+tir+undecided
figured if i focus on bows for my ranged i can justify never taking off crystal when i get it and be able to rock with minimal switches for each combat style. less switches means easier time having 5 heavy weapons in my inv at all times lol

[junior phoenix]

Idc what faux says about it it's just not very good

[short sphinx]

you need those range echo pacts

[junior phoenix]

Then just do ranged

[short sphinx]

they stack with blind bag and the range echo proc

[pliant temple]

true

[short sphinx]

cuz it acts like you are wielding a crossbow and bow and throwing item at the same time

[junior phoenix]

Like oh yeah you need to completely unlock a completely different skill tree just to make this annoying mechanic vaguely competitive

[molten gust]

Looks a lot like mine besides the mage dip.