most use active playing is transmute
best afk/chilled is butler
niche is clues
#leagues-general
plain pasture
languid mauve
If im being honest nobody knows what butler bell does mod husky had to ask the dev of the skill to confirm details earlier
oak trout
clues will really acclerate the mid game especially with thieving
cursive edge
yeah like
languid mauve
It looks like and looks to say u can choose what things to process into stuff but then people say u cant choose
languid mauve
But the wording makes it look u can
oak trout
i'm reloading into soul harvest tho, the other t4s dont help my build much
plain pasture
what kind of resources does it give
languid mauve
Its so confusing
oak trout
It looks like and looks to say u can choose what things to process into stuff bu...
you might have to drop all the shitty fish so he only cooks the good stuff
plain pasture
think of it like kingdom management
every hour you gain x amount of resources
and each tier of them is based on % chance
languid mauve
you might have to drop all the shitty fish so he only cooks the good stuff
Right but if your collecting the resources from him and he doesnt process stuff u give him how does that work
U srr why im confused
mint cargo
Looks like you can pick N resources or N/2 processed resources
plain pasture
everythign he gathers himself he processes
so if he gathers 500 ores, he will process it and give u 250
languid mauve
Right but it doesnt say that
plain pasture
it does
languid mauve
It says u can chooose for him to process
plain pasture
It says u can chooose for him to process
languid mauve
I kind of wish i could trade tier 4 relic for 2-3 pact points
cursive edge
lol he gives no coal
languid mauve
I dont like any of them
cursive edge
so those ores kinda useless
languid mauve
Does he have his own bank
mint cargo
Plot twist he mines the coal but then needs to use it to smelt everything else
plain pasture
so assume ur offline 10 hours
languid mauve
So resources processed are processed instantly as he gathers
Meaning you never actually receive resources from him?
plain pasture
youll login to 1.2k iron bars, 720 mith, 240 addy, 96 rune
cursive edge
hey ragger
languid mauve
Right but am i stupid or just not getting it
cursive edge
just read on reddit that the crossbow max hit thing doesnt apply to the echoes
languid mauve
U see what i mean
cursive edge
so the dps is a lot lower than i previously calculated
plain pasture
just read on reddit that the crossbow max hit thing doesnt apply to the echoes
even if the maxhit on echoes is capped at 20 for example, its still more dps than anything else with info we have rn
plain pasture
what beats it
languid mauve
😭
oak trout
1t staves
cursive edge
from what I can tell so far, yeah
plain pasture
with reduced 8 base max hit?
pliant temple
no reveal today?
oak trout
and we don't even know the stats on the two mage echo weapons for if crystal blessing will also effect mage
cursive edge
crossbow i think is gonna be like 35 dps tbh
cursive edge
yeah
mint cargo
Nice thing abt crossbows is double accuracy pairs well with the tank stuff cause you need less range gear, but yeah seems like less pure dps than mage
cursive edge
base game onyx d bolt max hit is in the 40s, like 45 maybe
lets say its 60 with the boosts in league
then another 78% incr
plain pasture
its gonna be far more than that
cursive edge
i mean like
the base hit
from extra ranged str, rigour 30% stronger etc
then 78% incr
plain pasture
theres a lot fo variables that arent explained fully atm
cursive edge
so 60 * 1.78 = 106
toxic vortex
@plain pasture alright, my math and yours are way off
cursive edge
then echoes instead of being another 78% multiplier (which assumes they always max hit), its i gues more like 39% more
plain pasture
like how do the damages apply, etc
toxic vortex
Time to show your work
languid mauve
I think i got it figured out
plain pasture
<@252571027404488706> alright, my math and yours are way off
condolences for u
toxic vortex
So you are just going to make a claim and not show any evidence when asked?
Come on man
plain pasture
So you are just going to make a claim and not show any evidence when asked?
im not gonna entertain ur need to question everythign everyoen says
cursive edge
but also the crossbow dps gets destroyed by overkill
toxic vortex
I'm not questioning everything everyone says
languid mauve
If butler is gathering a resources instead of claiming it you can have him turned said resource into a processed variant, it being 0 time should mean the entire stack gets processed thats what ive come to
Thats only way it makes sense to me
plain pasture
If butler is gathering a resources instead of claiming it you can have him turne...
yeh its 0 time farming supplies basically
cursive edge
Also 1 thing about magic, it seems like the only route that can abuse the +90% overheal
toxic vortex
I'm considering larcenist and T, so the idea of having a bunch of gp is intriguing to me
However my math was closer to like 13m/hr
cursive edge
ranged has 0 pact healing, right? and melee has this janky thorns thing which is not reliable at all
toxic vortex
Which is obviously very different from yours
inner zenith
anyone know good ealr wepaons under 1kg xD
cursive edge
i guess ranged with a 1h crossbow can get the 2 heal per 0 hit taken
plain pasture
Which is obviously very different from yours
again, i dont like u so im not wasting my time explaining basic math to you
mint cargo
Ok but what about everyone else here
languid mauve
So u can let him cook and keep gathering then when u ready can immediately turn that into a resource u need but if u change resources it will take time to regather i think i fully understand it now
plain pasture
So u can let him cook and keep gathering then when u ready can immediately turn ...
from what it says, anything he gathers he can process for u.
in addition anythign you gather you can do yourself seperately
cursive edge
hmm yeah elves give 258 gp on avg, so 60k pickpockets is 15m/hr right?
mint cargo
Like I'm curious about your numbers but if you aren't gonna post them all I have to go off is the other person's
toxic vortex
hmm yeah elves give 258 gp on avg, so 60k pickpockets is 15m/hr right?
Assuming no tick loss at all
It's 3000 pickpockets an hour
cursive edge
yeah
toxic vortex
But you'll need to click pouches
plain pasture
hmm yeah elves give 258 gp on avg, so 60k pickpockets is 15m/hr right?
rogues works, sell items, cash from shards/crystal items u make etc etc
toxic vortex
It's certainly not 110m+ an hour
plain pasture
they do when ur getting 115 enhanced tele seeds per hour
languid mauve
But you'll need to click pouches
Does the increased pouch limit have any effect on the diary pouch limit increases for ardy?
cursive edge
1/1024, and 60k pickpockets
languid mauve
Like do the stack
cursive edge
so 58 seed/hr
plain pasture
apparently it stacks, but requires kandarin
cursive edge
worth 60k each
plain pasture
so 58 seed/hr
rogues stacks the 10x to 20x
cursive edge
so 3.5m there
plain pasture
outfit from asgarnia
cursive edge
yeah im factoring that in no?
3k pickpockts, x2 from rogues to 6k, x10 from larcenist to 60k
so 60,000/1024 = 58
i think its gonna be around 20m/hr all up
plain pasture
yeah im factoring that in no?
toxic vortex
How are you doing 60000 pickpockets an hour
cursive edge
youre folding rogues into the 60k number
and then the calc is applying rogues again
languid mauve
Even at 1 tick u wont reach 60k
toxic vortex
Pretty sure that calc assumes rogues
plain pasture
ok so that is correct one then
58 per hour
so 2 hours for 99 smith/craft
l0l
cursive edge
yeh so 15.5m raw gp, 3.5m worth of teles
languid mauve
You auto thieve every what 1-2 seconds?
toxic vortex
1.2
Without any lost ticks the max pickpockets per hour is 3k
But you'll lose some here and there for pouches
brave oracle
Is there a guide or something to see which regions solve which skills? Or does anyone know? Like what's solved by default with varlamore and karamja, and what needs solving
languid mauve
U realize with kanderin elite u could thieve up to 1400 pouches lol
cursive edge
so 100 shards is 5k smith/crafting xp
so 1700 shards is 85k xp base game, or 1.36m in leagues at 16x
languid mauve
Thats silly
plain pasture
so 16.9m xp per hour from thieving elves, thats 34m cash from abundance
languid mauve
@full wagon they all trigger their own hit splat they do not stack into 1 hitsplat
plain pasture
plus the updated rogues calc mishap
cursive edge
so 58 * 150 is another 8.7k shards an hr
plain pasture
so more like 50 than 110
full wagon
<@266876002221817867> they all trigger their own hit splat they do not stack int...
Very nice! You’re the best thank you
languid mauve
Yw
cursive edge
so yep youre right, like 1-2h for 99 smith/crafting, tis nice
but all contingent on taking tirannwan
full wagon
Thorns is looking better and better in my eyes lol
plain pasture
so yep youre right, like 1-2h for 99 smith/crafting, tis nice
the cash comes a lot from abundance btw
languid mauve
Thorns is looking better and better in my eyes lol
Thorns is fkn broken because all the thorn effects can trigger even if enemy hits a 0 on you
Ur gonna shit on enemies
plain pasture
when u factor in cash from doing the smithing/crafting it works out at 110m
thieving on its own is 50m or so, now ive updated rogues outfit mishap
plain pasture
the raw cash is now 15m per hour thieving, 34m from abundance
plain pasture
so still 50m p/h cash raw
plain pasture
then u have the abundance xp from smith/craft
cursive edge
right
plain pasture
which is different, but works out at 110m after it all
cursive edge
but yeah its kind of a 1 off
unless youre goin for 50ms, which i suppose you might as well
plain pasture
rogues outfit on calc threw it
but still 50m per hour
is probs one of best if not the best gp p/h weve seen
plain pasture
yeh abundance is insane overall for combat focus tbh
huge combat rush
and my relic picks removes any need for skilling past usability
cursive edge
alright i must sleep, echo items tomorrow, hypee
brave oracle
Is there a guide or something to see which regions solve which skills? Or does a...
Anybody know?
plain pasture
abundance
forager
evil eye/unless recall added
butlers bell (solves all my processed items)
larcenist
culling spree (unless op 3rd option)
flow state (processes everything ill ever need)
minion (unless 3rd option is op)
toxic vortex
plain pasture
saves me doing practically any skilling, past occasional top up of pots/food
brave oracle
https://leaguesplanner.com/
Thank you so much!
analog moat
wonder can you use trans to turn runes into pure ess
toxic vortex
I don't think most people here are doing abundance
Endless seems to be the highest pick
hardy pine
I haven't tried wilderness in leagues. How likely do you get PKd?
It seems like easy points
fallow mulch
It's treated as a pvm death, why's it matter
hardy pine
Even if pvm death. If you're doing slayer for instance and ppl constantly try fighting you for your spot it could get old really fast walking back
toxic vortex
It's going to happen if you take wildy
fallow mulch
I've never chosen myself, but My clanmates have, and They have never said anything about being greifed
languid mauve
When i pick wildy i always pk people with skulls or those that attack others
brave oracle
wonder can you use trans to turn runes into pure ess
Yes, noted
tough finch
Bro these pact tasks are going to take a bit of elbow grease and time
fickle pine
when we are adding accuracy, is that the accuracy of whatever your current hit% is on a boss, or is it to your base accuracy fighting with any style
For instance a 600 mag def monster, you can hit lets say 8% of the time, does 100% accuracy bonus jump that chance to 16%?
tough finch
It's going to take some effort just to get to like 20pts
toxic vortex
when we are adding accuracy, is that the accuracy of whatever your current hit% ...
I think that is still an unknown
I'm guessing it will be the latter and not the former
Seeing as though that was really broken with the range tree last year
fickle pine
to me it is the lynchpin to early water mage focus, I cannot hit mid-high tier bosses, whats the point
makes me really want to tri-brid all choices until i am 20ish perks into it
ebon hearth
why hasnt someone invented a way to use percentages so that its not so vague what the meaning is
toxic vortex
I'm sure it's intentionally being left vague
But I really doubt it will be just a raw increase so no one ever misses
ebon hearth
the strat is to find multipliers that stack so u can have some insane multiplication
toxic vortex
It was specifically mentioned on the stream today that the whole never miss effect on range was certainly fun and busted, but it was obviously broken
fickle pine
that's enough context clues for me, definitely will a multiplier on current hit chance, not a base increase
nocturne axle
Any word on how crystal tools/crystal tool task will work for Priff if you don't have a region with a dragon tool?
vivid spruce
Does taking the last Earth spell demonic pact make it so you never hit a 0 with Earth spells?
fickle pine
No, you can still hit a 0 if you are not accurate enough. Yes, if upon you hit with an earth spell, it's base damage (flat) is increased by your
defence level with bonus
-------------------------- (maxcapping at 30 additional damage)
12
sinful swallow
I saw the osrs dmg calc has most of the leagues combat stuff added but can some people go chrck thier setups mine dosnt sound right
primal merlin
Most things still don't work on it
sleek wraith
thats what my wife says too
primal merlin
Plus it's all useless before we know echo weps
sinful swallow
I rough mathed around a 200 max hit with my balista
The dps calc put me at 540
XD
primal merlin
sinful swallow
And thats befor rigour 30% bonus
primal merlin
Ye you defo won't have that
sinful swallow
Bet
primal merlin
Around 30 dps is a safe bet
sinful swallow
O that was 9 dps
sleek wraith
more than 1
sinful swallow
The pains of a 9 tick weapon
sinful swallow
I mean with my rough math i should hit 200 ish a shot
toxic vortex
I saw the osrs dmg calc has most of the leagues combat stuff added but can some ...
where is that
primal merlin
Osrs wiki
sinful swallow
toxic vortex
yes but I dont see it
sinful swallow
O didnt know the wiki has shortcut command
toxic vortex
Or you just mean you are plugging in buffed up stats?
I thought you meant you were tying in pacts and shit
primal merlin
O didnt know the wiki has shortcut command
That's the shortcut to fully reload the page
sinful swallow
It has the tab for the pacts
primal merlin
It is with pacts...
toxic vortex
okay, it literally wasnt there from the page that I opened
sinful swallow
I says a couple arnt implemented but i should not be at 550 a shot
toxic vortex
or the page that I opened when you shared trhe link
but I refreshed it and now its there
primal merlin
Yuh
sinful swallow
Completly forgot void set is % increase that unfortunatly probably my best armor
toxic vortex
yeah not really that helpful yet
languid mauve
i've changed my teleport from evil eye to map of alacrity
it's significantly better for my regions
by over 50%
oak trout
Doesn’t really seem like something that can be quantified unless you’re talking total number of teleports, which doesn’t equate to total effectiveness
But map seems really good
languid mauve
for my regions, it has better teleport spots/location, and more of them in general, to even compete again using only my regions, u would need evil eye/bank heist and all 3 types of the fairy teleports combined to come close to being as good
i just spent 10 minutes comparing them and none of them come even close to alacrity
sinful swallow
I was thinking maybe map but evil eye and fairy mushroom will cover me completly and make bossing a sinch
When picking your teles remember fairy mushroom is in a diffrent tier and covers fairy rings patchs and tool leprechauns
languid mauve
teleports are purely dependant on region, different regions might change which teleports are better
sinful swallow
Its a lot of teleports
toxic vortex
When picking your teles remember fairy mushroom is in a diffrent tier and covers...
and spirit trees
hollow umbra
How much of a time save is Flow State in Varlemore House Thieving, do we know?
hollow umbra
I'm currently deciding between Flow State or Reloaded into Larcenist, because I'm not single clicking to 50m Thieving
toxic vortex
what regions are you taking
hollow umbra
Kandarin/Tirannwn/Kourend
I have every skill solved basically
it just really shakes out if Flow or Larc is an overall time save
toxic vortex
well, larc solves more than just thieving if you have T
hollow umbra
yeah cause of crystal shenanigans
I'm just wondering how effective Flow is at saving me from thieving
hollow umbra
because burning through 200m with EH/Flow would be funny
EH/Flow would also blast through Barbarian Fishing for Agility
but I could also just be patient with that
toxic vortex
I think the reality is that theres almost no combination that will make everything a braindead solve
hollow umbra
I feel like I'm thiiis close to having the mega solve
I think Larcenist still wins though
just because crystal smithing is too good
patent zinc
does the shadow have a max hit of 85 still in leagues?
winged trench
Anyone have a build centered around the bowfa by chance?
cloud panther
Is there any solve for RC other than soul harvest
cloud panther
Think I'd prefer to do regular RC over that
somber meadow
Transmutation is the other solve but still requires to level slightly to an altar you can access
mint cargo
EH in kourend is not bad
Tho I guess you'd need to get the blocks to the altar, that step would be a pain
agile coral
if I want to go mage with a little range splashed in, am I missing out much gear wise by going kand -> zeah -> wildy?
sleek wraith
Tho I guess you'd need to get the blocks to the altar, that step would be a pain
if you got EH then afk bone shard mining probably the go to
least for starting lvls
mint cargo
if you got EH then afk bone shard mining probably the go to
for runecraft?
sleek wraith
ahhh i read alter and i thought prayer lolol
the prayer alter there that requires quest done.
if you are rcing and have kourend then you can do arceus library for rc
shadow badger
Is there any solve for RC other than soul harvest
Transmutation and map of alacrity to nature altar
sleek wraith
isnt it 10 per transmutation?
shadow badger
Yeah
wary python
200/minute
shadow badger
Other options are soul harvest and lamps
shadow badger
or save me a relic option and just go through library lol
Library is better than essence crafting?
wary python
Anyone think the staff in gauntlet will trigger regeneration effects?
sleek wraith
i never said its better than essence crafting
maybe ill reload into transmutation.
i want butler. solves the areas that im lacking in
mint cargo
if you have morytania and 74 agility you can map to the blood altar
shadow badger
I mean if you're going library, just get 77 and do Zeah rc
sleek wraith
i plan to go zeah, asgarnia and mory for now
unless prif becomes broken with echo item then ill switch out asgarnia for prif
shadow badger
Go prif with larcenist
sleek wraith
i planned to get larcenist anyway cause of mory
mint cargo
yeah blood shards would be awful without larcenist
lapis flax
if you have morytania and 74 agility you can map to the blood altar
ig for mory its map for blood runes or evil eye for spider, garg barrows you can get to with either and tob you have drakens for
although map notably worse for barrows than evil
since cant tp to chest
shadow badger
ig for mory its map for blood runes or evil eye for spider, garg barrows you can...
Doesn't spider cave have agility shortcuts?
Or am I misremembering
toxic vortex
It does
shadow badger
Okay evil eye is good for barrows if you're planning on blindbag
lapis flax
do they count tho? they dont have a level req when you hover them on map
mint cargo
yeah evil eye in mory seems like throwing
lapis flax
they have the icon for it so i assume so but
lapis flax
yeah evil eye in mory seems like throwing
well evil eye is only missing blood altar, and its worse for my other regions too (map that is)
shadow badger
Map seems like the sleeper pick depending on your regions
I'm prob going for map for RC
mint cargo
yeah obviously other context is relevant
shadow badger
Evil eye mainly helps with PvM only
lapis flax
thats all i care about really
im here for fun not to max
🤣
i get that getting everything to 99 and beyond is good points
but i can just pass on the slow stuff
not looking to max points
toxic vortex
the only thing that still seems really clutch with evil eye is that it teleports to all the moons bosses
shadow badger
It's like a 8 second run man
toxic vortex
yeah, and I hate it
lapis flax
i think im picking evil eye ragardless
map you need the agi level for the shortcuts
and im not taking hotfoot
toxic vortex
I haven't completely decided
shadow badger
map you need the agi level for the shortcuts
I'm planning on rushing agility first to get it out of the way
lapis flax
if map let you setup which side you ended up on on the tps itd be pretty strictly better i think but because you need the agi level and i aint wasting my time on that i think im just taking evil eye
shadow badger
- barb gathering for extra
brisk mauve
So crossbow can hit like 110 damage max hits with a simple crossbow ranged str build with Desert, Wilderness, and Kandarin. And who knows with the KBD crossbow. If it can use dragon bolts, it may hit even higher between both hit splats. It's basically gonna be one a shot fest in the wilderness lol.
shadow badger
I'm gonna try for max cape at least so it's not a problem for me
shadow badger
So crossbow can hit like 110 damage max hits with a simple crossbow ranged str b...
It'd be stupid not to give dbolts for an echo item
brisk mauve
Originally I was looking at a heavy ballista build but it's just not good enough cause it looks like you need 2 regions to do MM2, and that assuming it's posislbe.
brisk mauve
It'd be stupid not to give dbolts for an echo item
Yeah, I assume it will. Everyones gonna be crossbow build if they go wilderness to get all the one shot kills lol
shadow badger
I thought Kandarin autocompleted it?
lapis flax
it does
mint cargo
yeah it does
brisk mauve
Oooh snap. Heavy ballista build might be back on the table
mint cargo
yo biggest reason to go map
teleport directly into kharazi jungle
brisk mauve
Hmm still says it's less dps than zaryte xbow and dragon bolts
shadow badger
Yeah map seems to be the better option honestly
People are really underselling its value because of the agility req
- there's WAY more shortcuts in game than bosses
brisk mauve
Oh well, it looks good. But Pking aint for me, i'm stick to my earth build.
But the big damage sound exciting lol
Would've loved to see multiple ranged echo's hitting 100+
lapis flax
People are really underselling its value because of the agility req
iuts not underselling if im 1 agi
shadow badger
iuts not underselling if im 1 agi
Should remove infinite run energy so you walkers will suffer
lapis flax
should remove run energy from the base game
mint cargo
true, walk everywhere
lapis flax
not what i meant but thats the funnier outcome 🤣
brisk mauve
Tomorrow will cement my entire build. Once I see the echo's. I'm wondering the 4 pronged elemental staff has a different effect depending on what element your casting.
I also wonder since the powered staff uses earth adn body runes if it'll be considered an earth spell.
I assume not, but who knows.
mint cargo
yeah I'm just waiting on echo items before I decide my last region
mint cargo
I also wonder since the powered staff uses earth adn body runes if it'll be cons...
it can regen earth runes but it's not an earth spell
toxic vortex
I might change up my preferred style if the thermy echo item is a cracked multi-element staff
brisk mauve
Yeah that's what I figured. So most likely elemental four pronged staff is potentially the play.
That with devil element, could be huge.
toxic vortex
I was already considering kandarin
lapis flax
I also wonder since the powered staff uses earth adn body runes if it'll be cons...
powered staves regenerate charges, can only regenerate runes with the pacts but thats only 1 per cast
dapper pumice
can you buy herb packs from pest control in league?
toxic vortex
Yes
brisk mauve
I've dropped the thorns part out of my build for now, but that may change, I could swap around like 3-5 points
calm jacinth
why do clues for leagues?
slate owl
lots of points
shadow badger
Points
calm jacinth
lots of points
but isnt time spent elsewhere also points?
toxic vortex
lots of points
shadow badger
Didn't they say they reduced clue points
slate owl
they did lower it a bit
toxic vortex
they did, but its still a lot
slate owl
ya still worth doing whenever u can
lapis flax
but isnt time spent elsewhere also points?
for people who want to max points, they need 750 collection logs which is very difficult to do without clues
shouldnt bbe necessary if you just want t8 or dragon
toxic vortex
It isn't
calm jacinth
comparing tier 4, seems hard
slate owl
yeah tier 4 is a hard decision dont blame u
lapis flax
bell for afk trans for active, clues for maxxing points
shadow badger
comparing tier 4, seems hard
Pick transmute with map for RC solve
plain violet
is there a way to get an antidragon shield this league? or are we just going to have to facetank steel dragon for a kill
mint cargo
slayer shop
shadow badger
Slayer master
plain violet
oo nice
shadow badger
I hope they add ava's devices to a shop
toxic vortex
They haven't in the past
calm jacinth
i wish leagues was always around and you could have run recaps tied to your account. The complexity threshold for rougelike has been achieved imo
shadow badger
They haven't in the past
Well this league, no one can get it
lapis flax
fremmy pickers do
toxic vortex
I think the ammo regen nodes more than make up for it
shadow badger
fremmy pickers do
How
lapis flax
also that
mint cargo
vork drops assembler
shadow badger
Oh yeah forgot
sinful swallow
can ammo regen from a spec atk with a bow
and if so dose that mean echo atks can trigger off a crossbow spec
lapis flax
the only thing that specifically states it doesnt work with a spec is blindbag
i think
sinful swallow
man this leagues is gonna be great XD
lapis flax
dont remember seeing anythign else that does
mint cargo
I hope that's true
I have a very silly build idea if specs work for everything on the tree
wary egret
Is it dumb to try and go all 4 mage elements?
shadow badger
Holy shit just remembered kandarin has ourania for rc
agile coral
Pick transmute with map for RC solve
how?
shadow badger
Map stonks up
shadow badger
how?
Transmute air runes to essence then tele to nature altar and craft
Or ourania in Kandarin
Or cosmic altar
molten gust
Yeah a lot of people sell the map short.
shadow badger
no shortcut in the ourania cave <:boohoo:1086094117118935061>
Damn
Nats it is then
agile coral
Wheres the closest bank to an agil shortcut? since transmute is noted ess you need to do the loop
smoky raft
I need to take another look at my relic choices tbh. Flow State kinda threw me off- not that I was planning to Reload into anything specific, but rather how Flow State solves a large number of problems that I otherwise had to pick certain relics for
shadow badger
Wheres the closest bank to an agil shortcut? since transmute is noted ess you ne...
Auburnvale
smoky raft
In the default areas I know the shilo village rock is pretty close
shadow badger
I need to take another look at my relic choices tbh. Flow State kinda threw me o...
What problems?
agile coral
Yeah actually shilo is a pretty good nexus point
Still gotta take kand tho for the M A G I C
smoky raft
It was mostly taking hotfoot for the auto processing
agile coral
whats your t1?
smoky raft
Endless
agile coral
What regions are you thinking?
smoky raft
A/K/W
agile coral
K as in Kouren or Kand
agile coral
yeah fair, I mean I guess I call it zeah
I think herblore is a harder solve without zeah
smoky raft
I also don't plan on taking the farming relic
agile coral
yeah, I suppose forager does do a lot for you whereas hotfoot you already have access to some great agil courses
like asg early, wildy mid, kand late
if you arent going for 99 herblore tho you could just get the butler to do it
agile coral
yeah its pretty strong
Im conflicted bc I've never had the god tier clue scroll stuff, thinking clues could be good bc of that
smoky raft
It also synergizes very well with both endless harvest and flow state
Honestly clues aren't that worth
agile coral
its an antisynergy with hot foot right, bc it only does raw fish?
mint cargo
no raid region?
smoky raft
there are fewer points than before locked behind them. Most of their value comes from clogs and you're better off doing easy guaranteed clogs for that
No raid region
smoky raft
its an antisynergy with hot foot right, bc it only does raw fish?
It doesn't work on any processed materials
So no planks or bars either
brave oracle
Yo, I don't know what I'm doing, what are your thoughts
AZM
Barb, Woodsman, Evil Eye, Transmute, Larcenist, Culling Spree, Reload Hotfoot
agile coral
construction fans out here struggling hard
barb feels like bait ngl, abundance is nuts if you arent trying to 99 or care for cash but EH is always good
mint cargo
if you don't know what you're doing I wouldn't barb
smoky raft
I mean with asg I have access to both mahogany homes and bagged plants
wary egret
Do we know pact point tasks yet?
brave oracle
if you don't know what you're doing I wouldn't barb
Isn't it just nuts, it's still semi afk and you fail a LOT less
smoky raft
Do we know pact point tasks yet?
[[Demonic_Pacts_League/Demonic_Pacts#Tasks]]
obsidian bluffBOT
Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League/Demonic_Pacts
brave oracle
Yo, I don't know what I'm doing, what are your thoughts
AZM
Barb, Woodsman, Ev...
I mean with my limited knowledge I am aware that I don't really have anything for herblore or runecraft... which might be an issue
smoky raft
if you plan on maxing
wary egret
Is solo nex gonna be hard or laughable?
smoky raft
you won't miss out on a lot of points if you mostly skip a few skills, but you're also probably not getting dragon
hard to say
I imagine it will very much depend on your pacts
I imagine hard
But I've also never fought nex at all
mint cargo
Isn't it just nuts, it's still semi afk and you fail a LOT less
eh should be faster to max, barb is faster to 50m+
smoky raft
barb is better for gathering xp and worse for processing xp / materials
and even then it's really not that much better than EH
wary egret
I was going abundance for a long time but decided to go EH. It just synergizes too well with hotfoot and transmute
mint cargo
alternatively if you want to punch rock then go for it
smoky raft
keep in mind that you won't be able to transmute the items that hotfoot processes
wary egret
Sure I only got rune weapons but I click once and go afk for 20 min lol
wary egret
keep in mind that you won't be able to transmute the items that hotfoot processe...
The process toggle is huge for this reason
simple raven
Anyone know if the bosses in the wildy will be instanced for leagues? 👀
smoky raft
... I think
mint cargo
I maintain that abundance is technically the best but that only applies if you are the sweatiest of nerds and you plan to be done the league in a week
icy comet
I think herblore is a harder solve without zeah
not really, master farmers and utilize the farming guild
smoky raft
Anyone know if the bosses in the wildy will be instanced for leagues? 👀
I doubt it, but you could always just kill whoever's there
agile coral
wheres the farming guild located
icy comet
zeah
simple raven
I doubt it, but you could always just kill whoever's there
Ahhh fuck
brave oracle
and even then it's really not *that* much better than EH
really, even with the agi xp? and the crystal tools?
agile coral
if you are without zeah...
icy comet
oops my bad beast
agile coral
zeah for sure sorts so many skills
smoky raft
really, even with the agi xp? and the crystal tools?
Crystal tools are not actually that big of an increase over rune
agile coral
fm at winter, wc at wc guild etc
bitter wagon
I maintain that abundance is technically the best but that only applies if you a...
abundance is best for people who want to get to T6-7 a little faster, lets you do some of the high level tasks a bit earlier and play with the later stuff sooner
smoky raft
the token agi and str xp are fine but there are far better ways to get both
smoky raft
Abundance is great for a head start but its usefulness doesn't last forever
brave oracle
fine i'll get eh... works fine for me too since i work
smoky raft
eventually you won't need the cash and you won't benefit from the skill boosts. The token xp is good on certain activities fwiw
mint cargo
fine i'll get eh... works fine for me too since i work
it's a game, if you're gonna regret not taking barb cause you think it's cooler, you should do that
bitter wagon
eventually you won't need the cash and you won't benefit from the skill boosts. ...
the xp is a small boost, but it technically affects all skills which i think is pretty nice
icy comet
i was gunna take barbarian gathering into woodsman and then reloaded for hot foot or natures accord tbh
brave oracle
it's a game, if you're gonna regret not taking barb cause you think it's cooler,...
i agree on the sentiment i just thought it was very good, the afk side of eh is very nice
icy comet
i see the woodsman for hunter rumours thats why and the fletching
double loots and those shards will add up for prayer
and the herbs solves herblore problem
brave oracle
i chose woodsman because hunter i dont fucking know
if hunter and fletching are fine without it then great
icy comet
chins for the range exp
cosmic shoal
is leagues usually a pretty hardcore grind?
icy comet
ima catch a crap ton of chins and set up megascale mystics
cosmic shoal
or more fun
smoky raft
prayer is easy enough to solve with transmute or soul harvest
and it gives herb seeds, which are fine but rely on farming buffs to really shine
smoky raft
or more fun
primarily fun, but for a lot of people that fun is found in the process of optimizing a game plan
mint cargo
oh speaking of, tecu salamander is the highest xp task, and if you do hunter before unlocking too many regions you can make teco/wolf only give tecu tasks
cosmic shoal
primarily fun, but for a lot of people that fun is found in the process of optim...
whats an example of a "plan"?
bitter wagon
is leagues usually a pretty hardcore grind?
you can go in silly goofy time and follow a youtuber guide and chill and slap bosses, or you have hyperfocus on build planning depending on your level of autism
icy comet
here are my relics:
BG
woodsman
evil eye
butlers bell
larcensist
culling spree
reloaded into hotfoot or natures accord
minion as of now depending on last relic
smoky raft
whats an example of a "plan"?
I've got all my regions figured out, most of relic choices, and a full map of my planned demonic pacts, including the order in which I plan to unlock them
molten gust
I know others must have pointed it out. But I do find it funny how the pact’s tree is basically a demon face. XD
icy comet
I've got all my regions figured out, most of relic choices, and a full map of my...
i havent done so much of the demonic pacts tbh. i thought we could only take one route but i see you got all 3 combat styles
mint cargo
I've got all my regions figured out, most of relic choices, and a full map of my...
why the regen points? just prayer recovery?
smoky raft
I also plan to set up a comprehensive "hour zero" plan for immediate gameplay, as- just like in previous leagues- I have taken the launch day and the rest of the week after off, and plan to wake up at 4 AM to play runescape like an adult
rough vortex
Does anyone know if throwing knives count as ammo when regenerating?
smoky raft
why the regen points? just prayer recovery?
That relic at number 6 is legitimately huge for how early it can be accessed. It's free overheads, even with 0 prayer bonus- so long as you have a shield and are getting attacked at least once every 6 seconds.
it's free fight caves lmao
smoky raft
Does anyone know if throwing knives count as ammo when regenerating?
yes, thrown weapons count as their own ammo
ebon hearth
Does anyone know if throwing knives count as ammo when regenerating?
[[avas device]]
obsidian bluffBOT
Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Ava's_device
ebon hearth
its prob same as ava
icy comet
which t6 relic u talking about sheep
icy comet
ahhh okay
mint cargo
That relic at number 6 is legitimately huge for how early it can be accessed. It...
no I agree that one is great, I mean 9 and 31
rough vortex
only asking because was theory crafting a dragon knife build with over 100% ammo regen
smoky raft
I was planning on taking culling spree but apparently the last T6 relic is going to be defensive and that might play into my mage tank build really well
mint cargo
cause earth spells don't get any scaling from rune regen, so it's just prayer recovery and some bonus runes
wary egret
EH I think is better than barb. Sure you use rune, but you gather double, instant bank it, all on bottomless gathering spots so no getting interrupted or waiting for respawns
smoky raft
cause earth spells don't get any scaling from rune regen, so it's just prayer re...
defense level is boosted by 1 per rune regenerated, up to ~20 at max, lasting 30 ticks
mint cargo
You'll hit that even with the base 50% regen
smoky raft
but more than that, 9 let's me reach 2t elemental spells quicker. And by the time I'm in the 30s, I'm mostly chasing QoL
brave oracle
if you were to get both hotfoot and friendly forager, which one are you getting on tier 2 and which one are you reloading?
mint cargo
if you were to get both hotfoot and friendly forager, which one are you getting ...
Hotfoot and then reload nature's accord instead of FF imo
brave oracle
hmm
mint cargo
I think reloading hotfoot means you unlock it after it's the most beneficial
brave oracle
yeah i figured
mint cargo
By that point you've already had to do a lot of resource processing
brave oracle
ok so... EH, hotfoot, evil eye, transmute, larcenist, culling, natures accord
feelings and thoughts
mint cargo
What are your regions?
brave oracle
well im not sure on what im gonna do in terms of combat, i wanted to do melee and had asgarnia zeah mory as a placeholder
smoky raft
hotfoot offers a few benefits that work a LOT better early on:
- passive agility xp while working on your middle tiers
- easy gp
- passive cooking xp and banked smithing mats
ebon hearth
building spec with attacks is epic they should put it in main game
tough finch
Spent a couple hours theorycrafting with a buddy, a lot of the fancier builds really suck at just a few points. Light weapons + thorns seems very very strong to pick early and then respec towards the mid game when you have closer to 20 pts
But only like 15 points are "easyish" to get
A couple more assuming all regions
mint cargo
well im not sure on what im gonna do in terms of combat, i wanted to do melee an...
For asgarnia and morytania I think map >> eye, zeah it's a little tougher but regular teles makes up for it and you can still map to catacombs
molten gust
After thinking about it a bit. With my current plan, I don’t really got anything good for smithing. But more or less got the rest of the skills covered.
brave oracle
For asgarnia and morytania I think map >> eye, zeah it's a little tougher but re...
youre right
mint cargo
The biggest benefit of map for you is it makes rc free, you can tele right next to blood altar
smoky raft
and nature altar before that
and cosmic altar before that
brave oracle
i knew i was forgetting something with rc lmao
tough finch
I will simply pick eye and lamp rc
smoky raft
how many lamps are you expecting lmao
brave oracle
he has a jagex account thats why
smoky raft
Count Check coming in clutch fr fr
tough finch
Don't need 99
smoky raft
I doubt you'll even hit 50 off lamps alone
tough finch
Its leagues. I'm going to do it when I have giga skill boosts. Rc is just not a big problem, its a mild annoyance
brave oracle
how good is prayer penetration with a melee 2h build?
smoky raft
how good is prayer penetration with a melee 2h build?
Depends on your regions. Most activities won't need it at all, though some bosses (and echo bosses in particular) might
brave oracle
are there any bosses you just cant melee even with the 7 tile range?
mint cargo
how good is prayer penetration with a melee 2h build?
However much you need to still one tap grubs is probably good
tough finch
I do totally recommend to map out your pact task points on the wiki before you map out builds btw.
proper wave
Will we find out exactly what the echo items are before release?
tough finch
Tomorrow
proper wave
Oh nice. I have a plan in mind but it's kinda dependant on what the echo item actually does lol
wary egret
I wanna see more on the dagger and cbow
molten gust
Yeah they said that today (its past midnight for me) they will show the echo items off fully. Probably around the normal time for them to show the relics or whatever.
Also they talked about how the crossbow works in the stream yesterday.
brave oracle
is transmutation enough for crafting?
proper wave
I wanna see more on the dagger and cbow
Yeah right now I'm planning to do asgarnia, kandarin and morytania. I want to put the echo dagger that scales with elemental weakness with the devils element and probably full torva, rancor etc lol
But Im thinking i can pivot into harm orb nightmare staff plus devils element if that build doesn't work out
brave oracle
hmm i just realized i have 3 gp relics, though its not like thats bad, theyre not JUST gp relics, hotfoot transmute and larcenist
larcenist is very nice for thieving and idk if i could afford to not get it
i do have vyres but thats later
i could pick natures accord and reload into something else
molten gust
Atm I have been debating whether I should use reloaded for Larcenist or Soul Harvest. Since with my planned picks in kourend and mory. I have a lot of options for runecrafting already. And prayer I am not really worried with varlamore in general. But I also don’t really know if I need to boost thieving much besides for money.
brave oracle
Atm I have been debating whether I should use reloaded for Larcenist or Soul Har...
i was gonna go soul harvest but map of alacrity solves rc and transmutation solves prayer
calm jacinth
Was in bed thinking
If the pact (2HP/2Prayer every 0 hit on you) works with Overheads this seems like the best use of first 6 Pact points.
Rush overheads tier 1/2 and You get infinite overheads/hp against anything you can pray against 🤯
molten gust
Oh right yeah transmutation. I was also planning to grab that. Hmm. Maybe I should put my reloaded into a different tier instead…
brave oracle
Oh right yeah transmutation. I was also planning to grab that. Hmm. Maybe I shou...
honestly im considering clue relic
depends on points
molten gust
I did a bunch of clues during leagues 4. Had my fun with them and got bloodhound. So don’t really feel the need for it.
brave oracle
right now im endless harvest, hotfoot, map, transmute, natures accord, culling, reloaded into x, minion
brave oracle
I did a bunch of clues during leagues 4. Had my fun with them and got bloodhound...
ah i see i havent
idk maybe grimoire for off spec?
ebon hearth
what happens if the clue is not in ur regions tho
brave oracle
what happens if the clue is not in ur regions tho
you dont get steps not in your region
or ones that require items from outside
brave oracle
idk maybe grimoire for off spec?
i assumed youre not going mage by saying this
molten gust
Yeah I was kinda thinking grimoire might not be a bad grab. Atm totally planning for the unknown 6t relic for my grab there. Since looking over the tree, we don’t get much for damage reduction. If this one helps with defense then its a good pull in my books. But we will have to see.
brave oracle
yeah true
hopefully we get all relics tomorrow together with the echo stuff
doubt it though
maybe 1
molten gust
They have the dates on the blog going to the 12th. So I feel like they will probably reveal those on the 11th and 12th respectively.
Unless they got another thing up their sleeves. It could also just be the task list I guess.
brave oracle
yeah thats what i was gonna say
molten gust
Oh hey I can finally share pictures. Neat. (Got to steel rank)
But yeah big feeling on the t6 relic being this turtle one.
timber quest
Is it crazy to get -7 pacts and just not pick a 3rd area? VDT gives me all I want and every other reigon has worse grinds than rewards xD
manic prairie
i dont know if it would be worth going for any accuracy with a full thorns build
languid lintel
Tecu Salamander secret techv👀
molten gust
Adds salamander to stack of blind bag weapons XD. Though I doubt it working for that and there are much better options.
rocky night
how many points will be needed for red skin unlock?
molten gust
We don’t know the costs for any of the rewards yet.
languid lintel
Sadly the only tech I see slightly working with it is bodybag and echos but I haven't really deepdived into the tree
molten gust
Yeah atm my setup is grabbing all I want in the melee tree with a small dip into the range one for some options.
calm jacinth
I cant stop thinking about Leagues. Cant sleep, work/life schedule messed up. Im not even playing yet
molten gust
Yeah I’ve been on a month long break from actually playing. But with all the keeping up with reveals and such. Still quite up to date with leagues stuff.
somber meadow
How is that prayer penetration going to work ? Do they need to be praying in order for the bonus to apply ?
ebon hearth
its overheads right
so 100% would mean the boss takes normal dmg
kalphite queen, idk what else
tacit oyster
kq kq actually does not have protection prayer it is just indicator for defensive stats. akkha, warden p2, hunleff, some echo bosses
tacit oyster
I think you can "melee" punish doom without melee weapon, idk how that works
somber meadow
i was gonna go soul harvest but map of alacrity solves rc and transmutation solv...
Transmutation also solves runecrafting you can downgrade your runes back into essence at the altar and just craft without banking
silent depot
Transmutation also solves runecrafting you can downgrade your runes back into es...
They're noted when transmutation
somber meadow
Oh true
tacit oyster
map of alacrity will get few teleports near rune altars though
somber meadow
But still is a solve for it you transmute then remake just have to bank
tacit oyster
so you would just transmute thousands of pure essence passively and then teleport between agility shortcut near an altar and bank
some regions do have other teleports near altars so could skip map of alacrity too
silent depot
15 UTC iirc
tacit oyster
wiki dps calc showing 574 as max hit but i assume that is with 4 max hit echoes added on it
yeah removing chance of 4x echoes lowers it to 250 max
ember olive
Transmutation also solves runecrafting you can downgrade your runes back into es...
That will be really slow no? The transmutation has to go down 1 tier each time before it gets back down to ess
tacit oyster
you can buy 100k air runes to turn 12-30k per hour to pure essence depending of you took flow state or not
ember olive
How are you going to unnote them though? lol
tacit oyster
would need either map of alactrity or other teleport method near altar
ember olive
Well they're runes though, Maybe they'll just turn into ess and occupy the inv
tacit oyster
essence will be noted after transmute
ember olive
Oh I see
cursive edge
Sang just seems higher dps than shadow lol?
plus has healing
a lot more healing
cause also double rate on the water regen healing
shadow badger
But then you need to grind nightmare
cursive edge
Sang is from tob
shadow badger
Oh I was thinking of the NM staff
cursive edge
I'm thinking Mory, Kandarin, Fremmy
for bis sang staff gear
40 dps with sang staff, healing 3.3 per sec from sang effect and 2.5 from water rune regen, so 5.8 healing per second
tacit oyster
sang should be higher dps than shadow if accuracy doesnt matter
cursive edge
even when accuracy matters
im comparing to kree, sang wins
as an example
and yeah shadow is getting 1.25 healing per sec
I guess the sang healing cant overheal tho, just the water rune regen healing will
burnt sentinel
does kitted scythes count as unice sythes? so you could have three different scythes in your inv
tacit oyster
yes kit and uncharged versions count as different weapons
burnt sentinel
sheesh
tacit oyster
can technically have 5 scythes in blindbag but half them have to be uncharged and need to farm 4 kits
inner zenith
do we know when tasks are out (atleast starting ones)
Also, anyone know good early qs in vally to do?
blissful fiber
It just hits me that if I don't take the fremenik region
I'm basically forced to take hotfooted
Simply cause no blast furnace to make my bars
Would take forever to do them without the furnace
sterile pewter
Does anyone know how many tiles zuk is away from the safespot?
tacit oyster
thre are some ways to get around it but without desert, fremmenik or tiranwan you are looking for relics to solve smithing
tacit oyster
7 tiles can reach zuk from center, edges are too far
shadow badger
I'm taking desert
Just do giant's foundry
blissful fiber
But getting bars for giants foundry is gonna be a pain without blast furnace
Or hotfooted
sterile pewter
7 tiles can reach zuk from center, edges are too far
So with the hally pact you should be able to reach him with melee right?
tacit oyster
you can buy items from cam torum to use in giant's foundry
tacit oyster
So with the hally pact you should be able to reach him with melee right?
yes if you dont try to attack when shield is at either edge
shadow badger
Yeah just buy a bunch of mithril stuff for GF
sterile pewter
yes if you dont try to attack when shield is at either edge
awesome. ty for the info ❤️
tacit oyster
can check leagues 5 hespori echo weapon zuk videos for 7 tile melee range
sterile pewter
kk i will
sterile pewter
No money solve doe...
transmute might be a good money fix
gentle rune
I'm doing kourend/desert/asgarnia
Thats so close to mine im doing kourend asgarnia wildy
blissful fiber
transmute might be a good money fix
I was planning to grab conniving clues cause I know for a fact clues are worth too much points to pass
gentle rune
Plus no charlie hot cold clue this year and its easier done
shadow badger
I don't think conniving clues is worth it unless you're point capping or you're playing for 1 month
There's should be enough stuff for dragon rank without it
gentle rune
Im picking clue for bank heist clue fairys flight teleport
Basically anywhere without even evil eye and map of alacrity
shadow badger
What are the herblore solves this league
I think I'm gonna pick soul harvest over nature's accord
I have woodsman and transmute to get seeds
gentle rune
Soul harvest pairs really well with natures accord
shadow badger
Yeah but I also want larcenist for crystal seeds
gentle rune
Even tho they said no bonus xp you still get x10 yield and xp for those too
You can have stealing gems stall then transmute them into dragonstone
shadow badger
What about smithing
gentle rune
Im picking flow state
gentle rune
I know some people said that flow state is bait relic you can still pick it you dont make wrong decisions
shadow badger
Problem with flow state is it doesn't solve anything
It just makes stuff faster for speedrunners
copper gorge
Sometimes it doesnt need to solve anything
If i can transmutate 30k items in an hour instead of 12k items that 18k difference could be a solve
gentle rune
Man they literally said clues is going to be easier this year so picking conniving clues just makes it faster
gaunt creek
Why are people saying hotfoot doesn’t process bg resources?
gentle rune
Should i pick evil eye tho seems a bit weak
gaunt creek
I’m taking bh not saying it’s better just what I’m doing
cinder remnant
I don’t wanna pick W but if that crossbow is cracked I might have to
tacit oyster
surprisingly high accuracy against sol with crossbow +190% accuracy pacts
gaunt creek
What is the advantage of exceeding 100% acc
tacit oyster
there is no 100% accuracy pact (except bow echo hit)
+100% accuracy doubles your accuracy roll, not making it always hit
gaunt creek
Oh duhhh ty lol
calm jacinth
surprisingly high accuracy against sol with crossbow +190% accuracy pacts <:ance...
Is this a dps calc for leagues? I feel like with thorns and pact buffs it might be too difficult to create
tacit oyster
thorns and most of mage tree doesnt work in wiki dps calc (at least currently)
calm jacinth
Im so sad building my tree out because on paper 40 is great, but the tasks ramp up so hard it’s more like 10 then echo+ fights for the next 10 then the last 20 is just brutal fights
tacit oyster
11 should be early, 25 end if mid game and 35-40 end game basically
vagrant acorn
Im so sad building my tree out because on paper 40 is great, but the tasks ramp ...
I don't think the tasks are that bad, except for some nasty ones like radiant and some awakaned
Inferno and collo can be hard as well depending on how strong we get
calm jacinth
I don't think the tasks are that bad, except for some nasty ones like radiant an...
Ive never gotten far in leagues and Im a casual, hardest fight ive ever done is fire cape
Hoping the op stuff carries me haha
inner zenith
is shilo auto'd?
tacit oyster
The following quests and their pre-reqs are automatically completed but will not reward any completion XP:
Shilo Village
vagrant acorn
Some regions are very easy though, kandarins hardest boss is kraken and thermy and for both you can just do the normal variants.
Mory you can just get carried the tob runs, phosani can be so so.
Tirannwan is CG, but you would prefarably do the echo version which can be hard.
Wilderness has nothing hard
fremmy has awakened duke and the vorkath achievement that can be tricky.
asgarnia has the whisperer that can be tricky
tacit oyster
asgarnia and zeah would be the 2 hardest to get all points for newer players. solo nex and awakaned whisperer in asgarnia and radiant oathplate in zeah
vagrant acorn
yeah zeah is really bad in that regard
timber quest
I was thinking bout taking wildy for the free pact points
vagrant acorn
Awakened whisperer is quite hard as well and no matter how op we get that one is still really hard due to the phases not allowing us to power through things with our power so you have to do it correctly
tacit oyster
i dont want to take wildy but the echo weapon sounded like it would be op
Oh they finally updated the leagues 6 blog. seems like we get last two relics on 11th and 12th
shadow badger
Awakened whisperer was a pain in the ass in gridmaster
I can't imagine doing it with the pacts
tacit oyster
if flask doesnt restore sanity you will actually need to know mechanics
shadow badger
I was basically running around waiting for last stand to go off cooldown
tacit oyster
maybe could rng it with crossbow or melee and lucky hit with multiple procs
crossbow with multiple echoes can hit 500, melee with lottery win can hit 2000
copper gorge
Yes
tacit oyster
it should give all xp in 1 drop when you collect
sterile pewter
I was planning to grab conniving clues cause I know for a fact clues are worth t...
Honestly that’s a good money maker too. All the rune items you get will help you gp wise
cursive edge
Does anybody know if they're distinguishing between 'off-hands' and 'shields' in the pacts?
Like is Devil's Element considered an off-hand, but not a shield
are all shields considered off-hands?
tacit oyster
defenders are not shields but shields are off-hands
not sure about books and stuff like that
meager mango
are all shields considered off-hands?
except dinny b
lucid flare
Someone know if i can charge scythe when only picking desert ?
meager mango
books are offhands
meager mango
offhand shield
vagrant acorn
Someone know if i can charge scythe when only picking desert ?
I think it's only blood runes right into it IIRC
meager mango
Someone know if i can charge scythe when only picking desert ?
all you need is 3 blood runes from toa
mighty zealot
Or get the scythe and dont use it until you get 100%+ regeneration from pacts. Infinite charges, no blood required.
tacit oyster
they might do the same as before and make scythe spawn with full charges if you claim it from mega rare voucher
like people used to take shadows from it just to uncharge and alch it
cursive edge
ok i have a demon build cooked up
Mory + Fremmy + Wildy
Sang Staff + Thorns
40 dps sang staff, 19 dmg thorns
super tanky, tons of healing, can spam thammarons and ayak specs for things resistant to magic
gaunt creek
Nah scy is charged with only bloods
sterile pewter
except dinny b
I'm gonna do a dinny b thorn build :p
looks like it would be fun and/or silly
meager mango
I'm gonna do a dinny b thorn build :p
doesnt make sense but tank is actually kinda bad for thorns builds
you'd want ring of recoil + echo boots + no tank water mage build to recover hp quickly and maximize thorns/recoil damage
2tick water surge with harmonised nightmare staff + 190 hp cap makes u near unkillable
no worry about replacing recoil since you get charges back anyway
sterile pewter
doesnt make sense but tank is actually kinda bad for thorns builds
There is a node that gives damage to thorns and recoil based on your defence
meager mango
There is a node that gives damage to thorns and recoil based on your defence
yeah and you are picking those too
sterile pewter
I think its 1% or so
tacit oyster
thorns will apply even when you get hit 0, so it can work. you can also do 7 tile dinh's with blindbag
shadow badger
I think it's 0.1%
meager mango
thorns will apply even when you get hit 0, so it can work. you can also do 7 til...
ring of recoil and echo boots dont work on 0
cursive edge
2tick water surge with harmonised nightmare staff + 190 hp cap makes u near unki...
I reckon doing 1t sang staff instead is a better route. Way more dps while still healing a ton
meager mango
I reckon doing 1t sang staff instead is a better route. Way more dps while still...
sang staff is powered it wont recover as much water runes/hp
cursive edge
sure, not as much, but still a lot
like 5hp/sec
do you really need more than that?
meager mango
im talking about this build can just stand still and tank zuk
190 hp build when zuk max hit is like 140
flask as a panic button
meager mango
not fast enough recover with sang
meager mango
might be but its reclinemaxxing
tacit oyster
water mage can overheal and heal more in general. sang is better dps
cursive edge
sang can overheal too
sterile pewter
yee but im just doing thorns and not recoil. I'm going mory, kourend, and maybe asgar or kanderian. Not sure which one I want out of those. I'm thinking more asgar because the blood fury is gonna be strong for what im going
cursive edge
about 2hp/sec overheal, while sang effect provides like 3 healing/sec, but cant overheal
and then also 2 hp healed when you cop a 0
meager mango
yee but im just doing thorns and not recoil. I'm going mory, kourend, and maybe ...
you can 100% go recoil+thorns with mory only
thorns build buffs recoil dmg too much to not take advantage
cursive edge
pocky whats the idea exactly behind not having much def bonus but wanting thorns to do damage?
theyre at odds
you gotta like brew down to 1hp and stack def bonuses
tacit oyster
yes thorns build buffs recoil but the buff amount scales with defensive bonuses, not defence lvl
cursive edge
i mean 1 def*
meager mango
you are taking def but ur not wearing tank armor
meager mango
still pretty accurrate enough for most stuff to hit you
sterile pewter
you can 100% go recoil+thorns with mory only
Do you think it would be better to go for kanderan instead of asgar? I would lose out on godwars and abunch of stuff. But I would get ring of suffering
fluid sail
and the thorns dmg is low
You can accept it being low on the basis that youre almost tripling your thorns damage if you wear a recoil and echo boots
tacit oyster
mage thorns build is higher dps than dinh's thorns
meager mango
Do you think it would be better to go for kanderan instead of asgar? I would los...
ring of suffering is not necessary recoil will do superbly
cursive edge
how low are we talking
meager mango
you are getting charges back either way
cursive edge
like what combined defences
im gonna sit around 1k combined defences on my mage build
so 13 * 1.5 = 19.5 avg thorns hit
with full virtus, arcane shield, fury
and battlehat
sterile pewter
ring of suffering is not necessary recoil will do superbly
kk. ty for the help ❤️
cursive edge
you are getting charges back either way
recoil isnt a weapon though
tacit oyster
ring of recoil is fine, just need to bring 20 of them with you everywhere
cursive edge
the pact specifies weapon charges
sterile pewter
ring of recoil is fine, just need to bring 20 of them with you everywhere <:kekw...
I think the charge thing works on recoil too
sterile pewter
It just says charges
sterile pewter
+60% chance to Regenerate runes, ammo and charges
cursive edge
read the whole thing
shadow badger
I don't think recoils count
cursive edge
the description elaborates
fluid sail
Hopefully the Kandarin staff does something wacky with elemental pacts too
sterile pewter
I may go ring of suffering then
cursive edge
also its totally possible that the bonus damage from the pact, drains recoil charges as well
sterile pewter
asgar doesnt give me too much that would help me for what im doing
shadow badger
Hopefully the Kandarin staff does something wacky with elemental pacts too
I hope it gives elemental weakness to enemies
cursive edge
so if your recoil hit does 20, you lose 20 charges
so youll need flow state or something to make 100k recoils lmao
meager mango
if it doesnt effect recoils yea maybe u need to go kandarin
fluid sail
I hope it gives elemental weakness to enemies
If it does that I’ll need to start taking air builds more seriously
meager mango
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-101-112-113-114-122-139-1...
not that optimized there are some stuff you could take thats better but this is recoil/thorns dmg maxing
insanely high sustain too
cursive edge
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-101-112-113-114-122-139-1...
35-40 dps sang staff + 19-20 damage thorns
may use echo boots, but no recoils/suffering
sterile pewter
yee so imma go kanderan, kourend, and mory and just use the blood fury. The thorn damage counts as melee damage. So it will proc heals from blood fury
cursive edge
Frem + Mory + Wildy
Can spam Ayak/Thammaron specs to deal with things resistant to magic, Thammaron powered attacks will go ballistic for all wildy bosses
meager mango
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-11-12-133-135-136-139-140...
fire pacts arent even worth taking for you it only increases ur dmg by 1
cursive edge
well its avg 1.15 flat damage, which is equivalent to 2.3 max hits
for 40 base max hit on sang, 42.3/40 is still 5.75% more dps
meager mango
also ur defense level is too low to rely too much on thorns
cursive edge
worth it for 3 pts to me
meager mango
u need to take more defense pacts
cursive edge
and 1 of those pts is 1% dmg
why does defence matter?
i dont really care about that 10% chance to reflect all dmg node
its the guaranteed 19-20 thorns damage i care about
meager mango
its not guaranteed
cursive edge
yes it is
meager mango
i dont really care about that 10% chance to reflect all dmg node
2 below that pact
thats the one you want to use the most
meager mango
the guaranteed damage is only 3 dmg
cursive edge
and then my 1k defence bonuses adds 10
so its 13 damage, and then 50% extra hit, so 19.5 avg hit
vs a 4 tick boss, thats an extra 8 dps
meager mango
makes sense but its not taking full advantage
cursive edge
but
the node that says
0.1% per def lvl to reflect all damage taken
is honestly quite awful
what do you erach, 150 defence?
so 15% chance
sterile pewter
my endgame setup is gonna be justicar with dinny b :3
cursive edge
so you cop a 50, and have a 15% chance to deal 50 back
tacit oyster
can get to close to 20% chance with earth rune regen and all flat defence pacts
cursive edge
so on avg you eat a 50 from a boss hit, and it does 7 dmg
sterile pewter
because there is a node that gives strength based on prayer bonus
cursive edge
i dont see the value in that node. its just something i gotta take to path through, and will add a bit of bonus dps now and then
meager mango
by the way you said sang staff is 40dps?
cursive edge
my endgame setup is gonna be justicar with dinny b :3
imo dinny b is bait as well. DFS + echo dagger seems way better
cursive edge
by the way you said sang staff is 40dps?
yeah