which is fine
#leagues-general
lapis flax
brother imma have like addy baxe's and shit
until i get like sulfer blades and boppers
its fine if they are bad its still more dmg
than not having it
idk about more dmg than echos not missing
not smart enough for the math on that one
🤣
tacit oyster
yeah might rethink it more once echo weapon stats are out and i plan first region choice
lapis flax
yeah most my choices are subjject to change based on echo item stats and the last 4 relics
tacit oyster
if amoxliatl echo weapon is not heavy weapon for some weird reason then early blindbag would be out of window for me
lapis flax
heavy just means >1kg
static anvil
would be sad but boppers would still go crazy
lapis flax
im sure it will be
but you right thats not necessarially a guarantee
im not even thinking about the echo stuff for my earl (11 point) build
since that build is meant to help me GET to the echo bosses and actually fight them
static anvil
if I have full bloodmoon and boppers in invy does the blindbag boppers trigger the 1t shorter atk delay
static anvil
ya but the atk delay for my actual attack u see what im saying
static anvil
yes
static anvil
bc if it works 6 boppers build could be hilarious
lapis flax
early game at least
well
ideally you want 5 fdifferent weapons
for higher chance to proc and dmg later on
husky did mention that it checks the item id so orn kits and like charged/uncharged scythes count as diff
copper gorge
Yeah some of these tasks are gunna be just brutal, 3rd and 4th jad challenges, inferno clear.
lapis flax
so its possible to nox hally main weapon with 5 scythes in the bag
lapis flax
Yeah some of these tasks are gunna be just brutal, 3rd and 4th jad challenges, i...
leaving those till later 🤣
static anvil
3-4 jads u can do pretty early
copper gorge
Yeah mate, im not sweaty
static anvil
assuming not locked behind inferno
lapis flax
but yeah definitely a good idea to look at the tasks and see what you can do early to get a foothold into the pact tree
static anvil
forget if they have been in previous leagues
tacit oyster
3 jads is pretty easy, just need to take time to complete fight caves before can do it
copper gorge
I dont even want to do fight caves on leagues
I hate that they keep putting so many points around fight caves and inferno.
timber quest
Gotta do inferno for 3 jad challenge :p
tacit oyster
oh right inferno needed for 3rd challenge
timber quest
That special challenge is scary tho, it's gonna be a 39 point league for me xD
copper gorge
Im probably gunna land somewhere in the low 30s. Bummer
lapis flax
well. im sure by the time you get all the other pacts and t8 relic it wont be that bad
tacit oyster
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-101-11-112-113-114-122-123-135-139-140-141-145-146-44-46-55-56-57-58-59-60-61-68-7-71-8-81-84-87-92-93-94-95-96-97-99 water mage + thorns cheese for special jad challenge 
lapis flax
true you could reset just for the challenge then reset back to your main build
lmao
assuming you dont plan to reset along the way otherwise
fluid sail
earth mage thorn build, we will make the jads oneshot themselves 
lapis flax
entangle spells are the only ones that use water and earth right?
they dont do much dmg tho
was just thinking if you could get the earth dmg plus defense boosting along with the water healing
static anvil
humidify+ veng urself then spellbook swap to attack 🤔
fluid sail
was just thinking if you could get the earth dmg plus defense boosting along wit...
The 60% water spell healing is where most of your tankiness will come from rather than just water rune regen
static anvil
ahh its gotta be combat spells regening
lapis flax
well earth only reduces their defence which isnt really a problem to begin with
so i guesss you dont need earth
lapis flax
earth mage thorn build, we will make the jads oneshot themselves <:wokejoy:14568...
i was more looking at this comment
and thinking about it
copper gorge
well. im sure by the time you get all the other pacts and t8 relic it wont be th...
Not super super active. Barely make it to t8
fluid sail
and thinking about it
I just wanna throw rocks
Water thorns will definitely be tankier though if youre going for the afk strat
Because being able to give yourself unlimited overhealth should make you immune to getting randomly one tapped if you miss a few prayers
lapis flax
yeah ice barraging with the water tree will be a lot of healing
and yeah the recoil dmg will be big too
even without the ice spells
water surge will also be great
fluid sail
The % chance to reflect dmg based on your defence level is kinda disgusting and I assume it doesn’t just reflect 0 of you pray against something?
tacit oyster
with water surge you could put point to prayer regen from air rune regen
lapis flax
yeah its not that good tho
cause its only 15% chance
per rune
but
i suppose with 7 air runes used
thats still on average 1 prayer per cast
with 2 tick
is not bad
better than nothign
tacit oyster
just means you will never need to drink prayer potions with that + 2 prayer from getting hit 0
lapis flax
true i forgot you get that too
man id love a permanent leagues world of this leagues like they have perm deadman, with access to more pact tree resets, just to be able to try out more builds. 2 months feels like not enough time 🤣
copper gorge
Thats what i mean!!!!!!
I was planning on going kourend and mory and getting 25 of each raid done? No shot.
Radiant oathplate? No shot.
I get they dont want to make it easy but like
lapis flax
theres also some pretty nice builds you can get for 30 points btw, 40 points just allows you to go into more hybrid/tribrid options, most of the builds that focus on 1 style or 1 approach to combat can deal with 30 points just fine
copper gorge
Yeah im going cbow build early might just see how that goes.
Sunlight hunter cbow is gunna slap
lapis flax
you going for the reach around sunlight hunter xbow?
copper gorge
Thats the starting path plan yeah
lapis flax
the one where you skip the xbows attack slowerand move around it to get to the crossbow capstones
nice
copper gorge
Should be a good starting option to get me to mid game unlocks.
Should be able to kill echo ggs with it
Ive never done amox
So im assuming similar
Huey
lapis flax
im kinda annoyed echo gargs drop a staff 🤣 i want mory for nally and tob and rancour and stuff but i feel like i just wont really be using the gargelon staff much if at all. who knows though maybe its broken op
will find out soon i suppose
lapis flax
Should be a good starting option to get me to mid game unlocks.
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-11-13-14-15-17-18-2-20-23-24-29-30-31-38-4-7-9 something like this right?
fluid sail
man id love a permanent leagues world of this leagues like they have perm deadma...
Punished for being employed 
lapis flax
ces't la vie
something like this for end game, alternating hits between the 7 range noxhally and 3t sunlight xbow for the bonus 25% dmg could be fun
ig since i chose the melee echo hits youd also take the bow and thrown star pacts too with that
inner zenith
am i right thinking theres a lveistream today?
cinder remnant
Yes there is
inner zenith
dya knw the time?
cinder remnant
3:00pm utc
inner zenith
tyvm
cursive edge
im kinda annoyed echo gargs drop a staff 🤣 i want mory for nally and tob and r...
Where did they announce that? I don’t see it on the website
inner zenith
its on the wiki
lapis flax
Where did they announce that? I don’t see it on the website
theyve been announcing echo items on twitter for over a week
no real details yet
inner zenith
i think we know most now
lapis flax
just the slot they occupy and some features
but tomorrow they will be giving us full details
inner zenith
has KDB cbow been confirmed 2h yet?
lapis flax
stats etc
inner zenith
oh nice
lapis flax
no that should be tomorrow
fluid sail
Do we know if Kandarin is still a meme this league or not
inner zenith
Kandarin seems to be popping no?
lapis flax
lots of people are plannign on taking it but thats mainly people after fasted dragon trophy or max points
fluid sail
It having a man hand magic weapon and me wanting to play mage has me nervous 
fluid sail
lots of people are plannign on taking it but thats mainly people after fasted dr...
Oh sick
lapis flax
the reason kandarin mainly was such a meme before wasnt jsut the echo item but the fact it had a lot less points available but this league theyve said all regions will have (more or less) the same points
theyve supposedly buffed the devils element this time round and fixed the lack of points
tacit oyster
kandarin is okay if other regions echo items are not overwhelmingly op. Before if you took kandarin you also had to take 2 other regions which had basically no elemental weaknesses to get your mage gear
lapis flax
people are specualting there will be a lot of easy points in kandarin since there isnt really much content
lapis flax
kandarin is okay if other regions echo items are not overwhelmingly op. Before i...
yeah this was a big part of it too
fluid sail
the reason kandarin mainly was such a meme before wasnt jsut the echo item but t...
Exactly what I wanted to hear, nice
cursive edge
but tomorrow they will be giving us full details
Oh tomorrow we get all numbers and stats of the echo weapons?
lapis flax
Oh tomorrow we get all numbers and stats of the echo weapons?
thats what they said a few days ago on twitter
cursive edge
Wonderful
lapis flax
X
potent quail
faux said task list is likly
tacit oyster
watch them replace today's reveal with the livestream
potent quail
i am still hella unsure on everything
first league ever no idea what to look for when picking regions
lapis flax
once we get full info on echo items, task list and rest of relics it will be easier to choose everything but i fear we might not get all that info until a couple days before it starts at this rate 😩 not a lot of time to plan
lapis flax
first league ever no idea what to look for when picking regions
whats your goal?
just having fun?
tacit oyster
today will be revealing 1 good relic probably since today is the !turtle relic reveal
potent quail
i dont know
i wont be able to play activly for the first few days because i am on vacation
lapis flax
if so then pick regions based on the content you enjoy, try to pick 1 of zeah, desert, or mory for at least 1 raid (can get all 3 mega rares from each)
potent quail
so probably just unlocks and dragon trophys
i am interested a lot in the Wilderness crossbow
lapis flax
dragon trophy shouldnt be a problem with any combination of regions, just remember to pick at least 1 region with a raid since theres a lot of points tied to mega rares and raid completions
as long as you arent trying to speedrun dragon your route doesnt really matter
tacit oyster
dragon trophy should be around 70% of total points
tropic cloak
chat am i cooking?
gonna go tirranwn, kandarin, desert and just spam shadow and ice barrage at everything with tank gear, echo boots, and suffering
fluid sail
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-112-113-114-122-123-127-128-129-...
Is having no prayer pen intentional
tropic cloak
tbf idk if i need it with my regions
tacit oyster
prayer pen might be needed for some echo bosses
lapis flax
and want to camp mage
but outside of that
echo bosses are usually skill based
shouldnt need pray pen
unless you intend to camp 1 style
tacit oyster
you can do them without prayer pen but that means you need 2-3 different styles
tropic cloak
hmm, now that im looking at it, demonic gorillas and toa has alot of prayer enemies
maybe i should try and squeeze a few points into prayer pen
fluid sail
Just might feel bad that you’re forced to afk anything with prayer
lapis flax
you dfont really need the fire and air options
nor the powered stave fire and earth regen options
nor the powered stave att spd enhancer
potent quail
the prayer regen on air runes has big potential though
tropic cloak
im not 100% on the shadow spell spam atm, since they havent shown the thermy echo staffs stats
lapis flax
the prayer regen on air runes has big potential though
not if hes camping ice barrage and smoke barrage
but yeah
with more info it could be useful
ice barrage doesnt use air runes and smoke barrage is only 4, so you have 4 15% chances to recover 1 prayer point every 3 ticks (assumign autocasting 2 if manual)
potent quail
not if hes camping ice barrage and smoke barrage
more like the base elemental spells from standard spellbook
potent quail
so you have 4 15% chances to recover 1 prayer point every 3 ticks (assumign autocasting 2 if manual)
i think thats still worth 1 point
lapis flax
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-112-113-114-122-123-127-128-129-...
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-112-113-114-122-123-127-128-129-131-134-135-136-139-140-141-145-146-2-44-46-48-55-56-57-58-59-60-61-68-70-71-81-84-92-94-95-96-97 i would do somethign more like this for that playstyle, though if you plan on using tumekens shadow then the other one would be better
lapis flax
> so you have 4 15% chances to recover 1 prayer point every 3 ticks (assumign au...
its barely anything tbh, but alongside the recover 2 prayer points when hit for a 0 it could upkeep prayer to a certain extent
again it kinda depends on what hes planning on doing
i just rtealised you only have 85% regenerate chance
pretty good but 100% would be better if you are planning on healing and increasing dmg with ice and smoke spells
fluid sail
pretty good but 100% would be better if you are planning on healing and increasi...
Shadow, not smoke
cursive edge
I’m thinking Mory + Kand + Kourend for giga wind surge could be one of the highest dps setups
tropic cloak
i feel like the 85% will be fine since thorns will heal me, and i can use emergency ice spells for big heals
cursive edge
2t, 56% incr damage and 45-50% chance to max hit,
And another 30% or so magic dmg from gear
65-70 max hit equivalent, 2t, before any air weaknesses
fluid sail
2t, 56% incr damage and 45-50% chance to max hit,
And another 30% or so magic d...
How are you planning on 2t? Manual casting or harmonised staff?
lapis flax
idk about whats the highest but it really feels like any weapon type will be able to output a lot of dmg just in different ways
lapis flax
even pur tank build with bulwark seems like the dps could be pretty good
lapis flax
Would manual even be 2t?
manual casting is 1 tick faster than autocast ye
5 tick with auto 4 with manual
so it would be 2 tick with manual casting
but
then you have to manual cast every 1.2 seconds
🤣
cursive edge
Also yeah add in a 50% air weaknesses and suddenly it’s like 136 max hit equivalent dps, at 2t
fluid sail
Yeah no thanks
fluid sail
Also yeah add in a 50% air weaknesses and suddenly it’s like 136 max hit equival...
Chance to max hit is doubled against anything weak to air too
tropic cloak
if the echo thermy weapon has a good spec attack, i might pivot for the same build, but just focus on that with the spec restore and chance to not consume energy things
fluid sail
if the echo thermy weapon has a good spec attack, i might pivot for the same bui...
It’ll depend entirely if the spec counts as an elemental spell or not tbh
So you can stack pact bonuses on it
cursive edge
30% magic dmg gear, 56% from 8 prayers active, 100% from 50% air weaknesses doubled by offhand, so 24*2.86 = 68.64, and should get like 47 or so pray points so basically always max hit
lapis flax
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-112-113-114-122-123-127-128-129-...
feel like this doesnt really sacrifice too much (2 points left over) and gets you 115% regen, idk if theres a better way to get there or not though
fluid sail
I like that mage has this much variance tbh
It’s not just “big number is now bigger” like the ranged and melee trees
cursive edge
5 tick with auto 4 with manual
Isn’t that just on your first cast?
lapis flax
theres a few different buiolds with all styles tbh, and also most builds tend to want to half dip into a seperate style to get some sort of benefit too which is nice
lapis flax
Isn’t that just on your first cast?
checked the wiki and yes apparently it was but also apparently it was removed in a 2024 update lmao
"29 May 2024
(Update)
The one tick delay on autocast spells when entering combat with NPCs has been removed. "
so nvm ignore all that Sh*t i said
🤣
tropic cloak
alright, unless the thermy staff is good, this might just be what i go with
lapis flax
oh yeah going the other side of the range tree gets you the extra overheal
forgot about that
thats defo better than what i linked
still dont think you need the 1 earth rune regen on powered staves
not for that build
its decent if you take the reduce tick rate on powered staves for 2 tick shadow or 1tick anythign else, but without that its kinda whatever
its only 1 earth rune, not the amount of earth runes used in 1 charge of the staff
tropic cloak
its for the earth rune regen -> boost defence level, seems kinda good for the thorns build
lapis flax
its more so that this build doesnt seem to want to use powered staves
like it doesnt do anythign when using ancients spells
shut copper
anyone know if the faster spell cast pact will work with transmutation?
lapis flax
anyone know if the faster spell cast pact will work with transmutation?
it specifies combat spells
shut copper
Thanks
tropic cloak
like it doesnt do anythign when using ancients spells
shit you right, i misread the regen as powered staff or wands as in battlestaffs wands etc for some reason
lapis flax
powered means stuff with charges, like shadow, trident etc
which is why theres 2 pacts that reduce tick rate
cause ones for spellbook casting and ones for powered staves
(i know you know that just saying it incase anyones reading back and wondering what im talking about)
tropic cloak
welp, if the thermy trident has a elemental weakness gimmick, this build is viable, if not, just chuck the earth regen for some more defence or something
lapis flax
the main problem im seeing now
is that you arent actually using earth runes in your spells
so the defense boost you wont actually get]
youd have to use earth surge or somethign
youll still get the flat dmg boost based on def level from shadow spells
but shadow spells arent regening any earth runes
so you wont get the defense stacks
"Regeneration only triggers for runes that were actually required by the spell. So no using combination runes to trigger regeneration effects from earth/fire for a water spell (air/water)"
from mod husky in the leagues discord
so you cant use like mud runes or anythign to trick the system
so that pact point is kinda wasted even in this build
shy lake
what could be some cute nicknames for players who share region choices?
tropic cloak
man this is getting tricky
shy lake
full-overlap
tropic cloak
i guess if i get the powered staff speed up i can just use a powered staff to charge up the defence bonus, and then just keep autocasting shadow spells?
and just switch over every few attacks to keep the bonus up
lapis flax
i guess if i get the powered staff speed up i can just use a powered staff to ch...
yeah youd have to upkeep 1 powered stave attack every 18s but its possible once youve fully charged it up
tropic cloak
that might just be what i do tbh, with my regions i get thermy and shadow at the very least
not like 18s is a pain to upkeep
lapis flax
what could be some cute nicknames for players who share region choices?
region-legion, region-peas, Pod-Squad 🤣 idk im bad at this
tropic cloak
i am kinda glad that the defence stuff scales off level, not defence bonuses so i dont have to think about getting tank armor
tropic cloak
yeah, but idk if thats really a deal braker
lapis flax
you arent going all in on thornsd anyway
tropic cloak
still pretty strong
gaunt creek
what could be some cute nicknames for players who share region choices?
Tri-hards
tropic cloak
atleast the reflect damage scales off defence level
just gotta have a shield on 24/7
lapis flax
atleast the reflect damage scales off defence level
i feel like you really want that last 30% overheal one
shy lake
region-legion, region-peas, Pod-Squad 🤣 idk im bad at this
region legion is a certified banger
tropic cloak
i feel like you really want that last 30% overheal one
lapis flax
atleast the reflect damage scales off defence level
like somethign like this, but im sure you could tweak it to be a bit better
problem with what i jsut linked is you lose a lot of that accuracy
but you can get it back if you sacrifice that prayer pen at the top
idk
but the thing is
i guess you are more focused on earth than water
but with the extra overheal, your water spells will be much stronger
like youll go up to like 189 hp or something, instead of 159/160
which should give an extra like 6% dmg on water spells
idk if thats worth the acc loss tho
tropic cloak
im mainly gonna use water spells for healing, not damage
lapis flax
also had to remove some defense levels which goes agains tthe spirit of the build
idk i g you jsut focus less on water
yeah idk maybe your one is better for the earth package
tropic cloak
i do want the water spells bounce back just for the big heals
lapis flax
you definitely do NOT want to go through the air tree tho
you should switch that to the water tree
🤣
tropic cloak
main goal is to not need food at all, can just chuck ice barrage for big heals
lapis flax
you do lose 20% acc like that tho
but you get to heal 6 hp with every ice barrage cast, though ig the dmg will already heal you a lot
idk maybe the air path is better
a lot to think about
also like, if you really dont need that 30 pray pen at the top you can go through the melee path to get to thorns and save 1 point to put elsewhere
but like we said already it might be necessary for thigns that pray mage
like gorrillas
tropic cloak
yeah i think i do want the prayer pen after looking at my region choices
lapis flax
not necessary cause you can always just thorn them till they switch but that would take some time
empty pagoda
Prayer pen is gonna be pretty strong depending on the content yeah.
tropic cloak
i feel like the thorns heal + ice barrage will let me tank most if not all non special attacks from enemies
lapis flax
idk if the heal from thorns is worth
can prolly put that elsewhere
its only 10% chance to proc
tropic cloak
but then again i will be attacking pretty fast tbh
lapis flax
i think youll have enough heal/overheal from ice barrage anyway
dont think itll do much
better to spend it on more defense levels or accuracy or somethign probably
slim mason
Was there no daily update to the leagues blog post yesterday?
lapis flax
no, big dump on all deets about the echo bosses and items tomorrow, people speculating task list today but they havent saiud anyhting regarding it
shut copper
tropic cloak
didnt they reveal the whole demonic pacts thing yesterday?
slim mason
Ah ok. I've been responsible for posting all the leagues info to my clan discord and yesterday we were all hungry for some news lmao
lapis flax
didnt they reveal the whole demonic pacts thing yesterday?
day before
slim mason
Task list would be DOPE
tropic cloak
i just want to know what the other choice is on t7 relics
lapis flax
same
tropic cloak
im really tempted to go transmutation, natures accord, culling spree, and reload into soul harvest
lapis flax
"I saw some discussion around this bullet point for my soul harvest clarifications above :demonic_soul_harvest_T5R3:
Does not produce 10x soul shards with nature's accord
Essentially, there have been various interpretations as to what that means since Nature's Accord multiplies XP and yield but Soul Harvest only specifies that it cares about the farming XP you gain.
I just want to clarify that as it works in-game, picking Nature's Accord + Soul Harvest will give you the same amount of soul shards while farming as a player who just picked Soul Harvest. So Nature's Accord will not also instantly solve RC and Prayer. Soul Harvest already does that well enough on it's own assuming you're actually farming and you'll still get a lot of soul shards while doing PvM.
I'll need to workshop the description of Soul Harvest to make it clear that this is the case and will get the blog updated once I do.
Apologies for anyone who was expecting it to work that way, while I can understand the synergy it isn't something we're going to look into changing this close to launch but is something we can consider for feedback in future leagues.
"
from mod husky
btw
just incase you were thinking about gettign 50m rc in 1 snape grass patch
tropic cloak
nah i kinda expected that to not work
lapis flax
🤣
tropic cloak
i mainly just want soul harvest to solve rc and prayer
i feel like they would be a pain with no bankers note and with my region choices
lapis flax
transmutation kinda solves prayer. but yeah without bankers note rc still a hassle
tropic cloak
transmutation seems way too good not to pick over the clue relic and butler tbf
lapis flax
if t7 is reloaded vs bankers note im taking bankers note every day
tropic cloak
- it seems funny
lapis flax
clue relic is kinda necessary if you are going for max points
tropic cloak
oh yeah if its bankers im picking it 100%
lapis flax
because of the collection log tasks
static anvil
🙏 no bankers note this league
static anvil
reloaded prolly the t8s kinda boring
tropic cloak
depends on what the last t8 is tbh
lapis flax
well we havent seen the third one yet, tho can guesss its prolly a special attack one
static anvil
hoping the last one is cool tho the flask has some potential
lapis flax
although that being said spec buiold kinda solved with pacts
so probably not specialist
tropic cloak
im most likely gonna go with the flask
static anvil
minion 💤
tropic cloak
im not really a pvm god so a panic button is nice
lapis flax
im bad at the game so last stand helped me not die, but i have to have agency over flask
it doesnt auto trigger when i make a mistake
which is bad
for me
🤣
shy lake
were league worlds continuous in previous years? e.g. W520-W530 is all league worlds, no interruptions?
static anvil
no theres several "batches" of them through the world list, at least that's how it has been
I think
pearl sapphire
what reveals are we getting today and do we know when?
shy lake
right, thats what i worried about. hmm
lapis flax
what reveals are we getting today and do we know when?
dont know but speculated to be task list
static anvil
what reveals are we getting today and do we know when?
~2-3hrs from now and we dont know what we're getting
shy lake
no theres several "batches" of them through the world list, at least that's how ...
do you remember if there was a minimum clump-size ?
static anvil
Don't remember well enough
smoky raft
how many is a brazilian
pearl sapphire
i thought they said we will get 3 relics a day two days ago
so i thought we'll be getting all the relics today
languid mauve
can't even psot my build because u can only type like 400 characters
pretty damn lame
smoky raft
you have steel rank, just post a pic
lapis flax
i thought they said we will get 3 relics a day two days ago
that was the one time, if they did 3 relics a day theyd only be able to do it for 2 days 🤣
smoky raft
lies
languid mauve
people won't comprehend build without explanatioon
smoky raft
a picture is worth a thousand words, legally speaking
timber quest
Ooo u gonna use water spells to keep your hp up and let thorns recoil help
lapis flax
water spell tank build, fairly common build people are looking at, yours is a little different but the idea is more or less there
fluid sail
Ah a fellow tank mage enjoyer
languid mauve
it's not designed as a tank build tho
timber quest
Can u adapt it to get the full thrones recoil? It's biiig
languid mauve
those are just extra points that make sense
timber quest
I seen husky say you don't really want def boosts if you're hoping to thorn a mfer
slate hollow
Ewwwwe butlers bell
languid mauve
yeah but thorns can trigger on 0
lapis flax
you are tanking through healing
lapis flax
dont have to use tank gear to be a tank
languid mauve
as long as anything hits you, theu will get huirt
0s or not
but forreal those are just extra points
smoky raft
Ah a fellow tank mage enjoyer
mage tank gang 🤝
languid mauve
I wont achieve 40 point build
fluid sail
you are tanking through healing
This is the crux of tank mage builds afaik
languid mauve
mage tank gang 🤝
ur wasting 1 point
slate hollow
TF you're racing to HP/prayer Regen? Lol
languid mauve
mage tank gang 🤝
look, u dont need both of these points
unless u specifically just want those nodes
smoky raft
If you mean I'm wasting 23, keep in mind I'm probably not getting 36-40
languid mauve
no no i meant just the fact u dont need those 2 points if ur trying to connect them together
i just thought maybe u didn't see that because mine does that sometimes
where i puts points into things i didn't want because it thinks it's closer
slate hollow
What's the point in playing leagues if you don't try to get all 40 points?
fluid sail
What's the point in playing leagues if you don't try to get all 40 points?
Fun, I imagine
slate hollow
Ew, what?
languid mauve
already beaten the game twice over dont need to do it in leagues too loo
fluid sail
timber quest
I'm gonna get dragon cup asap and go back to rs3 ngl xD
slate hollow
OMG rs3 player. Stone him.
timber quest
:p
languid mauve
ew
timber quest
fluid sail
mage tank gang 🤝
I’d spec out of air rune regen bonus if you’re not taking earth = shadow
languid mauve
@smoky raft this is my starting route
shy lake
they did some things for us innit
slate hollow
languid mauve
7 points to unlock 3 tick mage, 10 points to unlock endless healing
timber quest
I spent a year maxed in os and needed some actual levels and it's less shit now :p
Plus no bull 'milk' xD
shy lake
i made a hcim on there. ill play it when im desperate for content
smoky raft
I’d spec out of air rune regen bonus if you’re not taking earth = shadow
why though? Earth spells will regenerate air runes too, and more prayer regen means more defense boosting prayer
steel skin + mystic vigour is the goal
fluid sail
why though? Earth spells will regenerate air runes too, and more prayer regen me...
Y’know what I actually forgot regular combat spells use air runes - carry on
languid mauve
infinite sources of runes will also generate runes - that was one i thought was weird lol
timber quest
I wonder if you have no inv space, it will be like golden god once you hit max cash
Running around pooping piles of runes xD
Olm room gonna look like the gotr exploded by the end of a good scaled cm haha
toxic vortex
I wonder if you have no inv space, it will be like golden god once you hit max c...
You aren't generating that much cash
timber quest
No no I mean when casting the combat style, and you've got a full inv are they going on the floor
Similar how piles of cash were everywhere cuz gg kept going
Not suggesting it's generating cash or anything, the extra 10/15 water runes you generate from casting water surge or w/e it is
toxic vortex
If your invent is full, probably
timber quest
It's crazy to think someone could hit max rune stack right? XD
That ain't happening
tacit oyster
mainly issue with rune pouch or if you were using combination runes
timber quest
That's a lot of surges hahaha
fluid sail
It's crazy to think someone could hit max rune stack right? XD
Full inventory with rune pouch solves that issue
toxic vortex
Only holds so much though
fluid sail
Only holds so much though
Yeah but now the rune pooping strat is feasible
timber quest
Damn I kinda wanna see if I can hit max air rune stack
lapis flax
Full inventory with rune pouch solves that issue
if you have an infinite source like a water or fire staff then you wouldnt hold those runes in the pouch to begin with
you wouldnt be hitting max stack with the infinite source of runes anyway since youd only be replacing what you use without it
fluid sail
if you have an infinite source like a water or fire staff then you wouldnt hold ...
Well then you obviously remove any infinite sources first before going for snail
lapis flax
i misunderstood what you were saying, you were saying intentionally make them drop to the floor so you dont hit max stack?
lapis flax
right that makes more sense
sinful swallow
is thier a reason i cant post a picture in here
lapis flax
i didnt see what you were replying to when i typed that
lapis flax
is thier a reason i cant post a picture in here
not high enough rank
sinful swallow
ah
fluid sail
This is peak leagues theorycrafting tbh
toxic vortex
is thier a reason i cant post a picture in here
got to #botzone and do !rank
you need rank 10
timber quest
Avoid all accuracy boosts and spend 6 weeks splashing surge spells on a seagull xD
copper gorge
#content
This is what leagues was really designed for. Yama pffft. Surging on seagulls to see how many runes i can regen
tacit oyster
Avoid all accuracy boosts and spend 6 weeks splashing surge spells on a seagull ...
question is does +100% accuracy multiply negative accuracy
in theory you should still be able to always splash if your attack roll is not above 0
timber quest
question is does +100% accuracy multiply negative accuracy <:scronglypirate:1437...
Hahaha that's fun maths if that works xD
inner zenith
can somone link stream please
half cedar
yeah so 2x the damage bonus
tacit oyster
kandarin and pay gp to buy nmz points
toxic vortex
question does slayer imbue helm stack with the slayer relic?
it does not
you cannot stack the slayer helm item with the slayer relic buff
smoky raft
so. Leagues, amirite
crisp shuttle
Is there still a live stream today?
gloomy pulsar
Is there still a live stream today?
Should be in 50 mins 👍
crisp shuttle
Ok thank you
copper gorge
Theres a live stream? Dammit why
inner zenith
when is it
copper gorge
An hour
I really just want to know the final 4 relics and the echo items
Let me know what this year khopesh is
inner zenith
what's up with this https://i.imgur.com/MOExCZ9.png
it gives u 5 def levls?
shadow badger
what's up with this https://i.imgur.com/MOExCZ9.png
What's wrong?
shadow badger
Look at the node to the right
old tapir
accuracy, damage and regenerate chance all have that tilted hourglass icon
defense and prayer pen dont
aside from this one node
when it comes to the small nodes, that is
toxic vortex
just a typo I guess
shadow badger
accuracy, damage and regenerate chance all have that tilted hourglass icon
That's a lightning bolt man
solemn kiln
are they only going to stream on twitch guys ?
languid mauve
are they only going to stream on twitch guys ?
sometimes on youtube
solemn kiln
I hope that they also do on youtube since twitch is ass
shadow badger
when it comes to the small nodes, that is
Probably meant to be +15% accuracy
toxic vortex
yeah its like that on the wiki page too
toxic vortex
Probably meant to be +15% accuracy
this is the image from the blog post on the osrs site
twilit halo
why is there no posting on the osrs leagues 6 news from yesterday?
toxic vortex
its meant to be defence, just looks like the wrong image was used for the icon on the wiki and other sites
shadow badger
this is the image from the blog post on the osrs site
So it's the wrong icon
toxic vortex
seemingly
tacit oyster
why is there no posting on the osrs leagues 6 news from yesterday?
https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/demonic-pacts---overview?oldschool=1 this other blog was the reveal
blissful creek
where is the live stream today supposed to be?
fluid sail
When people say certain relics are nuts, is there a nut-free relic variant for those of us with allergies?
blissful creek
minion
shadow badger
When people say certain relics are nuts, is there a nut-free relic variant for t...
Yeah get the banana ones
Does blindbag roll accuracy or is it guarenteed?
twilit halo
https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/demonic-pacts---overview?oldschool=1 this ot...
oh okay, i didnt realize, thanks!
blissful creek
Does blindbag roll accuracy or is it guarenteed?
pretty sure it’s guaranteed
tacit oyster
Making Radiant Oathplate will not require Aether runes in the league. So Zeah pickers can complete that task without worrying.
fluid sail
Yeah get the banana ones
Ok thanks
copper gorge
When people say certain relics are nuts, is there a nut-free relic variant for t...
There are plank relics yes.
shadow badger
Man, radiant oathplate is gonna be a pain in the ass
tacit oyster
zeah got buff
blissful creek
so anybody wanna help me find that damn stream
shadow badger
zeah got buff <:kekw:997907574034792498>
Still gotta do the contracts 
copper gorge
I wanted to go kourend but i have to go mory for nox hally.
fluid sail
so anybody wanna help me find that damn stream
Due in 30m on the official OSRS YouTube channel
native pivot
when do we get info on the echo loot?
blissful creek
Due in 30m on the official OSRS YouTube channel
tysm
fluid sail
Go over to “live” and it’s scheduled there
fluid sail
when do we get info on the echo loot?
Tomorrow I think was said
blissful creek
Tomorrow I think was said
it’s during the stream i thought
Or is that a different stream
old tapir
apparently 55 bonus defense doesn't get you another flat increase compared to 50
and neither does 60
tacit oyster
today is just a Q&A for general league questions and few content creators talking about league plans
blissful creek
today is just a Q&A for general league questions and few content creators talkin...
🙁
fickle pine
apparently 55 bonus defense doesn't get you another flat increase compared to 50
60 should, it is divisible by 12
tacit oyster
they might release 1 relic today though since reveals have the !turtle command for today
fickle pine
what is the total flat damage you can get form the thorns build?
old tapir
60 should, it is divisible by 12
if you're 99 defense the earth node boosts you to by 20% of your base (presumably to 118)
+50 takes you to 168 which is 12x14
going to +55 or +60 would not get you to the 180 defense necessary
for another hit increase
fickle pine
did you calculate the def bonus that you get from the earth rune regen perk inside of that calc?
fluid sail
Depends if it’s confirmed that the defense nodes buff your base defense or not
If not, the max we can get is 19
old tapir
percentage stat boosts usually round down unless there's a flat component attached to it
the node that boosts defense doesn't mention that
ionic nacelle
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1F1lEywVQAMCAASF4PCyAEAM
Range tank for ADZ
tacit oyster
jmods confirmed that the + permanent def pacts count as base defence but still max buff from rune regen is +30 def instead of 19
old tapir
this node for reference https://i.imgur.com/mXesV33.png
fluid sail
jmods confirmed that the + permanent def pacts count as base defence but still m...
Hell yeah that’s huge
old tapir
jmods confirmed that the + permanent def pacts count as base defence but still m...
okay that changes things
fickle pine
does it synergize with super def boosts, or does it overtake the stonger bonus buff?
old tapir
so 55 gives you a flat hit but 60 doesn't
fluid sail
does it synergize with super def boosts, or does it overtake the stonger bonus b...
Assuming 50 bonus defense your total flat damage increase will be capped at +30 which is kinda nuts
fickle pine
+3 when you are in a defensive style as well
old tapir
that would not get you to 192
and +16 is still not +30
i don't know where that number comes from
fickle pine
so 192 is the next threshold got it
fluid sail
i don't know where that number comes from
ah I misread something, ignore me
shadow badger
Should I pick Zeah or Kandarin as my first region
old tapir
but even if you're going earth, devil's element sucks right
tacit oyster
if you are going to pick kandarin anyway then it is best 1st region
old tapir
like its only good against stuff with an earth weakness
which is like huey and then nothing else
tacit oyster
zeah has better tasks and skill points from late game content
shadow badger
zeah has better tasks and skill points from late game content
So Zeah for 3rd region?
fluid sail
but even if you're going earth, devil's element sucks right
If you’re going earth with thorns youre locked into a shield anyway
old tapir
If you’re going earth with thorns youre locked into a shield anyway
truing
fluid sail
truing
Might still be worth it for the mage weapon he’ll also be dropping now though, we’ll see when they release the stats
tacit oyster
So Zeah for 3rd region?
2nd or 3rd doesnt matter that much, just dont really want any of the raid regions as 1st selection since hard to get skill points from them early
old tapir
that's a powered staff though, you're not using that
fluid sail
that's a powered staff though, you're not using that
It’s not powered - powered staff comes from gargs
copper gorge
Zeah having to do 25 cox, do yama for radiant oathplate, get DHL, 150 shamans, and equip ancestral was such a turn off for me
fluid sail
or well, quadent
Fork
molten gust
Compared to last leagues. We definitely don’t have as much protection with this. Since last time we had some general damage reduction from combat masteries. Not a huge amount of stuff here which seems to give defensive or damage reduction.
copper gorge
I wanted to go zeah but thats out for the pact tasks those are gunna take forever.
tacit oyster
at least they removed 90 rc and aether rune grind from the radiant oathplate task, still need to actually do the radiant contracts and actually receive the contract drops though
copper gorge
Thats why im out. Some of these drops are ridiculous
shadow badger
Zeah having to do 25 cox, do yama for radiant oathplate, get DHL, 150 shamans, a...
Shit might actually make me pick mory or desert
molten gust
Yeah being honest. Having rad oath as a requirement is a bit much. I could see it being getting a sigil piece but yeah.
shadow badger
Also why 150 shamans???
copper gorge
Some of the task tables are brutal
shadow badger
Just seems like a task for the sake of it
tacit oyster
to make sure you dont cheese 1 kill 
shadow badger
to make sure you dont cheese 1 kill <:Shrug:1397203684584325160>
Devs accidently put an extra 0
copper gorge
I brought this up last night. Seems like its not designed for the average person but more for content creators.
shadow badger
Husky said he wants people to push themselves and have some friction
copper gorge
Average person doesnt want to do 3 jad or 4th special jad challenge
shadow badger
Radiant oath for 200 pts aint it chief
fast osprey
any average person will be able to do triple jad with their eyes closed
the perks are op
copper gorge
Im just not interested at all in inferno or jad
shadow badger
Jads are ez
fast osprey
thats fair me neither haha
copper gorge
Yeah but i dont want to do it lol.
fluid sail
Thorns water tank mage - I fully intend to have the inferno and jad challenges clear themselves
shadow badger
Special challenge is probably gonna be harder than inferno
molten gust
Yeah rad oath should be a 400 point thing. Why is a corrupted weapon 400 but not rad oath?
copper gorge
Like you guys wanna spend another half hour in fight caves AGAIN?
copper gorge
Cuz thats the only kandarin content. That and thermy
shadow badger
Literally only hard thing is getting 87 and then 93 slayer
copper gorge
Kandarin - kill kraken 50 times
Asgarnia - kill awakened whisperer, solo nex.
shadow badger
Kourend - Get radiant oathplate bitch
fast osprey
oooh obsidian knife is going to be my early game weapon i think, its such a cool dagger that never gets used anywhere
shadow badger
Also 25 CoX kc same no. of points as 1 Skotizo kill
copper gorge
Right?
shadow badger
Do echo ggs drop a powered staff
copper gorge
Im tempted to go desert because toa easier clear. Kq isnt horrid.
Thats i believe the drop.yes
shadow badger
I'm tempted to go mory for the 6 scythe combo
fickle pine
shadow badger
Even if it's unrealistic
hallow swallow
So, with unique DH axes working individually, do we know if their blindbag proc will also roll damage off set effect?
copper gorge
Youre gunna not only get 6 scythes but also 4 ornament kits?
hallow swallow
Even if it's unrealistic
Yeah fr, just for the heck of it
shadow badger
So, with unique DH axes working individually, do we know if their blindbag proc ...
Yeah if you dharok armour
tacit oyster
So, with unique DH axes working individually, do we know if their blindbag proc ...
should since they act as if you were holding the weapon
copper gorge
So, with unique DH axes working individually, do we know if their blindbag proc ...
Pretty sure they will if you have the armor on originally.
shadow badger
Youre gunna not only get 6 scythes but also 4 ornament kits?
Probably just gonna stick with dharok axes lol
hallow swallow
Oh no, I gotta put in a nox or other big ass wep to substitute my missing 2 scythes in my 6 scythe build, guess they will have to compete with 4 scythes lol
hallow swallow
Yeah if you dharok armour
Wicked
shadow badger
Also I think the dharok axes in your inv won't degrade
tacit oyster
1hp dharok with no healing sources to gamble for 200 damage hits using fast weapon
hallow swallow
I can't wait to spend 5 days target farming dharoks for 8 armour sets and 3 axes
fickle pine
I can't wait to spend 5 days target farming dharoks for 8 armour sets and 3 axes
you got this, i believe in you
copper gorge
Any news yet?
toxic vortex
Husky might have spoiled something
he said something about reloaded and overloaded
but that could be nothing
shadow badger
he said something about reloaded and overloaded
Pick an extra T8 relic
iron prawn
extra t8 would be crazy
copper gorge
Would slap
toxic vortex
they have the relic screen pulled up right now
shadow badger
Livestream is up on YT and Twitch
dry turret
At least to me, "pick one below" vs "pick one above" doesn't seem that interesting in terms of a choice, since it ultimately means "pick one below or above".
toxic vortex
they are just going through the current relic tiers right now with the three streamers and getting their opinions on what they are picking
shadow badger
At least to me, "pick one below" vs "pick one above" doesn't seem that interesti...
Also reloaded would be way more useful
dry turret
Also reloaded would be way more useful
Potentially, yeah. Since I think players want another relic to focus on skilling stuff than bossing stuff, I think.
Main point though was that, if it's like "Reloaded vs Preloaded/Overloaded", then... well, they might as well have pushed the T8 relics to T7, and then made T8 just be "Reloaded" only.
So I suspect the other T7 relic is not to do with picking another relic, but some other benefit.
shadow badger
+10 pact points
iron prawn
it has to be some kind of major solve, could also just be bankers note 🤷
willow isle
anyone know if thorns/reflect hits grant xp?
twin jolt
Hopefully it's something better. Current T8s don't interest me and reloaded feels like lazy design
dry turret
Banker's Note could be the T7. Would make sense, though, I get the feeling players like BN so much they would choose it more over Reloaded.
old tapir
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-11-122-127-128-129-135-136-139-140-141-145-146-44-48-57-58-6-60-61-62-63-64-69-70-71-8-81-82-84-85-86-93-94-95-96-97-99 tinkered a bit more to get to +55 knowing it mattered
this looks optimal now
copper gorge
I would choose bank note as a pleb
twilit halo
i know theyre doing the live on youtube, but are we getting a relic reveal today?
willow isle
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-11-122-127-128-129-135-13...
65 plus abund
copper gorge
Lemme brute force inferno with a thousand sharks and ppots
old tapir
65 plus abund
you're only picking abundance if you're playing the league for less than an hour a day
dry turret
+10 Pact points could be a relic, but feels a bit odd since it's quite powerful.
copper gorge
you're only picking abundance if you're playing the league for less than an hour...
Other way around.
Youre picking abundance to rush dragon tier
willow isle
can just reload the endless harvest
toxic vortex
Thank you for someone saying that abundance falls off
copper gorge
Thank you for someone saying that abundance falls off
We have been lockstep on this from the getgo
willow isle
Thank you for someone saying that abundance falls off
i wasn't planning on sticking with it tbh just seems fun at the start
iron prawn
endless harvest is so good since i have finals around the time leagues starts 😎
warped turtle
Hotfoot or woodsman i still dont know
shadow badger
I'm picking woodsman
iron prawn
woodsman is going to give a gazillion points
copper gorge
Im going hotfoot
Its passive xp and pairs perfectly with endless harvest
Fixes agility too. Nothing worse than running laps.
iron prawn
yeah it solves entire right side of your skills
copper gorge
Literally.
Those 2 together fix 10 skills passively.
Could be even more tbh bone shard mining for prayer too didnt think about that one.
But con, fletch, wc, fm, fish, cook, agil, mining, smith all solved with those two.
Crafting and thieve solved with larc. Rc and prayer solved with transmutate
Only 2 "unsolved" herb and farming but fuck em
Ill get seeds and herbs from slayer and be fine.
toxic vortex
oh god now I dont know what I'm going to to t1 and t2
iron prawn
im taking zeah so i'll have tithe
shadow badger
Imagine if T7 is second inventory
toxic vortex
never
iron prawn
def evil eye unless the unrevealed one is crazy
shadow badger
Yep
vocal plover
im picking map unless 3rd is crazy
toxic vortex
thats a very strong point
iron prawn
that is true, tank builds don't need evil
toxic vortex
oooo yeah underground shit
tacit oyster
bank heist
iron prawn
meh
shadow badger
IT's bank
tacit oyster
basically useless compared to others 
shadow badger
I called it
steep dawn
im picking map unless 3rd is crazy
Why map over evil?
tacit oyster
map or evil depends on your regions
iron prawn
people who are going tank/sustain build don't really need it because they will have infinite trips
toxic vortex
Theres an argument to be made that eventually you won't really need to be that concerned about how much time it takes to get back to a boss
with bulky builds, high dps, healing and everything
copper gorge
Butttty early on. That could be a time saver
Especially for mory getting to barrows
blissful fiber
you know what?
I think bank heist would let me replace endless harvester with barbarian gathering
steep dawn
True, but how many agi shortcuts are in good places that would be better than time save running to bosses
shadow badger
but barrows does have an agility shortcut
That's outside
toxic vortex
That's outside
better than running from canifis
blissful fiber
True, but how many agi shortcuts are in good places that would be better than ti...
remember that you also need the agility level for the shortcut since it puts you on the less favorable side
iron prawn
^beats mory 3 or fairy ring
copper gorge
Boss tele goes direct to chest right?
shadow badger
Boss tele goes direct to chest right?
Yeah or outside
iron prawn
if you don't have arceeus tele you'll have to run a bit
steep dawn
remember that you also need the agility level for the shortcut since it puts you...
That's why I'm thinking evil eye cos I'm planning endless harvest and woodsman so no agi solve really
warped turtle
barb gathering and bank heist have some synergy
blissful fiber
barb gathering and bank heist have some synergy
yeah
i might drop endless harvest
cause of that
shadow badger
barb gathering and bank heist have some synergy
What synergy
blissful fiber
im willing to abandon 30 minute afk
copper gorge
You gotta get back to the spot btw.
blissful fiber
You gotta get back to the spot btw.
better than having to go back and forth
calm jacinth
Any reveals today?
copper gorge
Endless you dont have to leave at all
blissful fiber
Any reveals today?
bank heist
iron prawn
Any reveals today?
Bank heist t3 tele relic
shadow badger
All the teleports have a bank teleport
blissful fiber
teleport to any bank or deposit box
blissful fiber
Endless you dont have to leave at all
yes, but barb gathering has the 50% success chance on a fail
which endless doesnt have
it adds up
exp wise
and ressource wise
tacit oyster
endless better for low tier resources, if you do redwoods or amethyst then barb is a lot better xp/h
calm jacinth
Hmm whats more useful bank tp or boss tp
steep dawn
Yeah surely endless still better, finish playing for the day, load up mobile and endless harvest in bed
copper gorge
Map tele is being slept on, would want to see all the option of both teles before choosing
They have a map out that shows locations for both.
steep dawn
Afk resources that are fast to gather with endless and transmute to process for big xp surely the play
copper gorge
Wont be choosing bank. Thats a bad one
shadow badger
Hmm whats more useful bank tp or boss tp
Huey bank is there
copper gorge
Agreeeeeed. Transmute gunna be the balls.
blissful fiber
wont you have to like
transmute all your stuff
maybe multiple time
tahts gonna add a lot of work
steep dawn
And map requires agi level to use so only good if you go hotfoot and barb
Endless, woodsman, evil eye best 3 picks, Change my mind
blissful fiber
i was planning to go hotfoot but since im likely getting barb now, it should solve agility partially and i might drop hotfoot
shadow badger
Yeah it's gonna take a lot of time to transmute from lower tiers
dry turret
And map requires agi level to use so only good if you go hotfoot and barb
Well, Agility level to use the shortcut you teleport to. You don't need the Agility level to teleport to the shortcut though.
blissful fiber
Well, Agility level to use the shortcut you teleport to. You don't need the Agil...
you kinda "need" it
in the sense that
if you use the tp to go to somewhere thats past the shortcut
dry turret
Yeah I guess, depending on what you want to do
blissful fiber
since the tp puts you on the least favorable spot
cursive edge
Do we have any more info on the ‘per rune generated’ things? Like does it mean ‘per water rune generated’ for the water rune one?
steep dawn
since the tp puts you on the least favorable spot
^this
blissful fiber
IE: tping to the agility shortcut of doom puts you in the central room
so u have to do the walk around
if u dont have the level
there's also the crevice shortcut for kalphite queen
86 agi and elite diary
those are the 2 examples i can think of
steep dawn
Yeah so not worth it imo over evil eye that just gets you straight there, even with a tank build
copper gorge
Yeah it's gonna take a lot of time to transmute from lower tiers
Yes, im sure its gunna take a while to turn regular bones into superior dragon. Or like iron ore into runite. But for some stuff thats not the worst thing. Also gives infinite nat runes
blissful fiber
wouldnt it be more interesting to use soul harvest for prayer solve?
instead of transmute
transmute just seems like a lot of steps
just how much time does it really save?
steep dawn
Endless harvest, mine calcified bone shards and use that as prayer solve
shadow badger
wouldnt it be more interesting to use soul harvest for prayer solve?
10x crop yield and larcenist are too good to pass up
dry turret
Transmute has a lot of possibilities
blissful fiber
Endless harvest, mine calcified bone shards and use that as prayer solve
eeeeeeh
base 11k-13.2k prayer exp per hour
even with endless, its gonna be a bit sad
steep dawn
Only need it til you've got the prayers unlocked and bossing will give you resources to turn into more bone shards anyway
blissful fiber
10x crop yield and larcenist are too good to pass up
i can honestly pass larsenist since im not grabbing morytania and elf
copper gorge
Im grabbing both
blissful fiber
i can learn blackjack for sure
i was planning to reload
and grab the farming relic and soul harvest
gaunt creek
If u can blackjack u can plunder
shadow badger
If you're picking desert, you can just train RC at GotR
steep dawn
I reckon bankers note will be with reloaded and no way I'd skip over that
blissful fiber
i forgot about that
shadow badger
So soul harvest just ends up being a prayer solve
gaunt creek
Nah probs last recall
shadow badger
T5 time
steep dawn
If it is last recall I'm definitely reloaded
shadow badger
Doubt it honestly
blissful fiber
still curious what the last tier 6 is
cause im already taking kourend and desert
so grioire is useless
and i dont like slayer
steep dawn
I'm more certain of my relic picks than I am for regions
Kourend mory and something else maybe
blissful fiber
im locking down kourend, desert and asgarnia
smoky raft
I'm almost definitely going asg/kan/wil but idk the order yet
steep dawn
I'm almost definitely going asg/kan/wil but idk the order yet
No raid?
smoky raft
no raid
shadow badger
I'm more sure of my pact build than my relics and regions
smoky raft
earth thorns my beloved
steep dawn
Ranged tank thorns build with cbow for me, rush sunlight cbow with woodsman day 1
blissful fiber
there's no melee immune enemies in kourend/kebos, desert and asgarnia right?
smoky raft
kree
blissful fiber
(also varlamore and karamja)
smoky raft
uhhhh akkha and wardens both pray melee sometimes
willow isle
earth thorns my beloved
do you know if you gain xp from the thorns hits?
copper gorge
Kree is BRUTAL even in leagues with basic ranged.
iron prawn
there's no melee immune enemies in kourend/kebos, desert and asgarnia right?
olm has 66% damage reduction from melee on mage hand and head
blissful fiber
ok its alright
smoky raft
echo hespori had the flowers pray melee sometimes
blissful fiber
you can tell im not really versed in pvm so
smoky raft
can't say if the echo bosses will be the same though
blissful fiber
echo hespori had the flowers pray melee sometimes
the flower doesnt attack me so
its irrelevant
smoky raft
well yeah but you do need to attack the flowers
blissful fiber
its about Thorn, since thorn count as a melee attack
blissful fiber
bummed out that defender dont count as a shield for thorn
im not well versed on shields actually
smoky raft
the obsidian shield from karamja is probably going to be your easiest option
a DFS is good later on if you can stomach the grind
iron prawn
its in kourend
blissful fiber
oh
iron prawn
brutal dragons and steels
blissful fiber
ah i see
oh right
pieces item drop completed
so i just need to hit a draconic visage?
copper gorge
Yes
iron prawn
it might just drop as a dfs? idk where we get the anti shield
copper gorge
Anti shield is sold i think at slayer masters?
smoky raft
copper gorge
Its given
shadow badger
Antifire shield is from slayer masters
tacit oyster
can get it, misthalin is there because you need to complete quests and antifire shield to make it.
iron prawn
slayer master makes sense
copper gorge
Dfs is in play. Youll have to kill dragons to get draconic
blissful fiber
thank you for enlightening me about the dfs and obsidian shield
this helps me a ton
copper gorge
Obby shield youll get a few of at tzar training early slayer
smoky raft
toktz-ket-xil is effectively a rune defender with def instead of acc bonuses. It costs ~58k tokkul with any karamja gloves
orj ust as a drop, yeah
willow isle
bummed out that defender dont count as a shield for thorn
you still get use out of the defender for the prayer restore don't you?
empty pagoda
They need to reveal the other T7 as well.
copper gorge
Thats the selection then
willow isle
plus it sustains your overheal
blissful fiber
you still get use out of the defender for the prayer restore don't you?
which part is that?
shadow badger
Imagine they hit reloaded and they just start the discussion over from T1 again
blissful fiber
Imagine they hit reloaded and they just start the discussion over from T1 again
go back to t7, they go back again
endless cycle
the stream never ends
shadow badger
Until everyone becomes bald
willow isle
which part is that?
+2 prayer restore when using off hand from combat mastery
blissful fiber
ad jumpscare bruh
blissful fiber
+2 prayer restore when using off hand from combat mastery
"Whenever an attack deals 0 damage to you while either a two-handed shield or an off-hand is equipped, you're healed for 2 and restore 2 prayer points"
ah true
willow isle
this would work how i think it would right?
blissful fiber
but there's one pact that specifically need a shield
for more thorn
"While you have a shield equipped you gain the Thorns* effect"
well in fact
i entirelly need shields
for thorn
smoky raft
surprise fridge
blissful fiber
ah true true
willow isle
90% overheal is gonna double my hp pool right?
iron prawn
OOO
latent magnet
!
blissful fiber
lol?
toxic vortex
omg
iron prawn
HOLY!
willow isle
?
copper gorge
Huh?
willow isle
wait i missed everything wtf
shadow badger
Still picking slayer
blissful fiber
"yo dawg, we heard you cant be bothered to learn 2 ticking, so heres a relic"
toxic vortex
shadow badger
Oh wait it's T7
tacit oyster
2nd t7 makes all skilling and processing actions into 2tick
blissful fiber
that does challenge reloaded pretty well
shadow badger
Yeah still picking reloaded
latent magnet
reloaded no diff 😭
shadow badger
Flow state is too late
toxic vortex
its a cool relic, but i do agree
tacit oyster
basically stronger tick manipulation that works on everything (without needing to actually manipulate)
shadow badger
The aura of a single sentence
latent magnet
poor banker's briefcase going against evil eye 😭
shadow badger
It's good for transmute
willow isle
still think ill take reloaded tbh
toxic vortex
works on alching too
shadow badger
Should've been a T6 relic
toxic vortex
superheat
shadow badger
Fuck
copper gorge
If you transmuting, flowstate gunna be the play boys
shadow badger
If you transmuting, flowstate gunna be the play boys
Yeah but reloaded is too good
copper gorge
You can fix anything you would reload with transmute
blissful fiber
and people noticed
shadow badger
You can fix anything you would reload with transmute
I'm reloading for larcenist