leagues-general

[lapis bobcat]

if it wants to fall in line with other daggers

[smoky raft]

send the link (should be able to if its through the wiki tool) and I can grab a screenshot

[tough finch]

Here's how I might do a "builder spender blindbag blue moon" build, where you stock up huge on HP spamming ice barrage and fishing for blue moon insta melee procs + blindbag procs, and occasionally spend extra overheals with blood barrage self-burn https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-101-112-113-114-117-118-119-122-123-124-150-151-152-153-156-157-161-164-165-43-44-46-56-59-60-68-69-73-74-82-83-85-86-87-88-92-94-96

think outside the box boys

it doesn't have to be echoes league part 2

[plain pasture]

Any thoughts on blood moon for melee?

Multiple hits, so Multiple echo chances etc

[manic prairie]

theres an echo blood moon weapon

[hollow umbra]

multi hits don't proc on blindbag, I think it's Fine but the echo is likely better

[plain pasture]

Yeh, do you think it will work with blood moon set

[hollow umbra]

could, maybe it works with all the sets different

[wary egret]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-11-133-139-140-141-142-143-144-145-146-15-163-17-18-2-21-24-29-30-31-38-39-4-44-48-56-57-60-69-7-71-72-74-79-84-85-92-95

planned regions are zeah, asg, and... mory? maybe desert

[hollow umbra]

we will have to see

[smoky raft]

MAN the mobile UI sucks lmao

[plain pasture]

Interesting for sure

[smoky raft]

that's squid's

[wary egret]

asg sounds like a strong region for zcb/dagger build

[manic prairie]

this is a wasted node imo

[wary egret]

thanks

[smoky raft]

that's the only connecting node lmao

[manic prairie]

theres other options

[plain pasture]

Another thing.
The ranged str increase with thrown weps from melee str bonus.
Ultor ring 12
Str ammy 10
Infernal 8
Ferocious 14.
That's 35 ranged str bonus.
Before any % increases from other sources

[manic prairie]

5 defence or 15% accuracy are options

[hollow umbra]

I have a melee/thrown build I could throw in here

[smoky raft]

oh right

forgot they all have the same fuckin icon

[plain pasture]

How well do u think this will scale with knives

[hollow umbra]

let me post the discord img link real quick so sheep can repost it

[wary egret]

yeah i could connect through thorns and drop def/regen

[plain pasture]

Considering you only need 1 drop of them from wyrm nd ur set entire league

[hollow umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854889495114416148/1491623452707131412/image.png?ex=69d85e18&is=69d70c98&hm=fe91ed52e0de55db5d21e7e7655876987ca6bb3090faaed56b486af74cf79168& Melee/Ranged, Echo Blindbag

oh it embeds

[smoky raft]

I did it

🎉

[hollow umbra]

thank you sheep

[plain pasture]

It's interesting tbh
Cos that might be insane dps if correct pacts

[manic prairie]

this is the current stage of my cope
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-101-122-127-128-129-134-135-136-139-140-141-145-146-164-44-48-57-6-60-61-62-63-64-69-71-8-81-84-87-91-93-94-95-96-97-98-99

[hollow umbra]

I think specing into the +35% acc is a sleeper hit

on the mage tree

because all your blindbag hits still roll acc

[plain pasture]

Hmmmm

[manic prairie]

if i could get rid of the 2 tick staff i could get 100% prayer pen i think

[hollow umbra]

realistically how many things pray though

[plain pasture]

4 or so

[smoky raft]

you do NOT need 100% prayer pen

[manic prairie]

you might not

[hollow umbra]

it's like, Musaph?

Muspah*

[wary egret]

is 1% range damage or 5 range strength better?

[manic prairie]

thats 2 max hit for 5 strength?

depends on gear options

[plain pasture]

Muspah, akha, kalphite queen, echo dks.
Would be Main ones

[manic prairie]

and if you get them

[hollow umbra]

avoiding all of those

yeah I need 0% prayer pen

[plain pasture]

All a breeze with pray pen tho

You'll probably have a pact of pen at some point

[hollow umbra]

im Asgarnia/Kourend/Priff

[plain pasture]

Ahh fair

Range?

[hollow umbra]

Melee/Range

crystal halberd shenanigans

[smoky raft]

we've got a somewhat similar strategy, I just leaned a bit more into standard offense lol

[plain pasture]

Oh true

Maybe blessing op

Also gaunt be nice with pray pen 😂

[smoky raft]

I have some bad news

[hollow umbra]

I know it doesnt multi proc

[manic prairie]

i did so much to go around that 1% magic node

[smoky raft]

You can't get the Crystal Halberd unless you have both Tir and Kan

[hollow umbra]

I had to mourn the 30 hit in one attack idea I had

ooooh

[plain pasture]

Is that confirmed since you can make it

[lapis bobcat]

how does that work?

[hollow umbra]

crystal halb is achievement diary

[lapis bobcat]

can you get crystal halberd without asgarnia?

[smoky raft]

you can get the dragon halberd but the crystal halberd requires the western hard diary

[lapis bobcat]

do you not need the pest control diary tasks?

[smoky raft]

been that way in the previous two leagues

[plain pasture]

Maybe just maybe they adjust 😂

[smoky raft]

You don't

I don't think you need the zulrah task either tbh

[sleek wraith]

so who here gonna try the dharok blindbag build lol

[lapis bobcat]

I guess they wanted SOME build variety for halberd build

[hollow umbra]

they can't drag me into Kandarin, I refuse

[lapis bobcat]

if the crystal blessing is similar to last time, crystal halberd build would be cracked

[plain pasture]

But you could get an extra 2 str bonus with torture 😂

[manic prairie]

do you have a big need for 32?

not its connections, that node itself

[hollow umbra]

dragon vs crystal is 20 str bonus

[smoky raft]

If I don't pick 32 I'd just spend the node on the other one

[plain pasture]

I mean if blessing is very op, could make kandarin a decent pick even without any additional boosts to melee other than halberd

[smoky raft]

oh don't tell me the other one is accuracy

[plain pasture]

Plus potential of blessing

[hollow umbra]

yeah exactly

[plain pasture]

It's viable

[smoky raft]

that being said if I move it around I get the major regen tile later

A small deficit but I'd like to have it before the def buffs as it brings me over 100%

[plain pasture]

Anything over like 15% will probs do u better than few extra str bonus from normal gear from other areas

[manic prairie]

you have like 150% refund, you could skip 2 nodes if you go for the 5% on the left i think

[hollow umbra]

Maybe I change my Asgarnia pick to Kandarin just for chally..

[manic prairie]

39 nodes

[hollow umbra]

I guess I'll lose out on what, Echo dagger I wasn't gonna use and boots upgrade?

[manic prairie]

wait

[smoky raft]

wait but 32 is +15% accuracy

I value that way more

[plain pasture]

I'd say 1, see hm blessing boosts it.
2, check hm str bonus from upgrades in asgarnia vs kandarin then math it

[hollow umbra]

I rock Kourend so I would have Oathplate instead of Bandos anyway

[plain pasture]

Off top of head asgarnia gives u about 14 extra str bonus in gear over kandarin

But kandarin also gives u piety

Which is huge

[hollow umbra]

so I could skip Grimoire...

Kandarin not a throw for once?

[plain pasture]

Yessir

Might be the way

Ngl

20 str bonus from dragon to Crystal halberd alone beats the str bonus from asgarnia

[lapis bobcat]

kandarin also has REALLY easy pact point tasks

just high slayer reqs for 4 of them

[plain pasture]

Then u have potential on blessing from cg, plus piety

[manic prairie]

i had tha image wrong, but dropping that exact 15% accuracy allows for 2 nodes refunded

[hollow umbra]

im gonna have to do fishing trawler

[plain pasture]

Kandarin has torso, torture.
Which is 6 str bonus.
Vs
Torva 18

Torture vs fury in this

[smoky raft]

wait I'm confused

[hollow umbra]

I'll rock Crystal anyway over Torva no?

[plain pasture]

Yeh if halberd

I'm just comparing asgarnia vs kandari for base str bonus

Not huge difference really

But kandarin gets u 20 on halberd, use of blessing, piety

[manic prairie]

you would lose 15% accuracy but get 2 nodes back
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-11-122-127-128-129-134-135-139-145-45-48-55-56-57-58-59-6-60-61-62-63-64-69-70-71-8-81-84-92-93-94-95-96-97-98-99

[plain pasture]

Yeh mouse. Kandarin over asgarnia all day long for the crystal halberd build

2-3x better

[smoky raft]

I would also lose the 30% regen

[manic prairie]

but you are already past 100%?

[hollow umbra]

guess I gotta leave my friend alone in Nex lmfao

[manic prairie]

i honestly dont think theres reasons to go past 100%

[plain pasture]

L0l

[smoky raft]

I'm only at 95 in the one you sent

[manic prairie]

wear avas

[smoky raft]

I have benefits that trigger on rune regen and I'd rather have them trigger as often as possible

for the mage-

[plain pasture]

So you'd have based on kandarin, kourend, prif.
Ultor ring 12
Infernal 8
Treads normal 4
Torture 10
Torso 4
Obsidian helmet 3
Crystal halberd (20 over drag)
Blessing
Piety

Ngl sounds stacked

Defence lacking a bit but meh

[manic prairie]

also you could go to the magic node to get to earth for 10 magic levels over the 5% refund

i think?

no you would need to go a pray node

[hollow umbra]

basically a ranged build lmao

[plain pasture]

Melee

But range distance yeh

[hollow umbra]

7 tile range yeah

[plain pasture]

Infernal also be easy af

With that distance

[hollow umbra]

crystal helm over obby, no?

[plain pasture]

Hmmm

Depends how it works

[hollow umbra]

+acc is good for blindbag

[plain pasture]

If it stacks melee then yh

Maybe just need blessing this time

They did day it's more op this time round

Say

[hollow umbra]

if it's just blessing then ill prolly do Asgarnia over Kandarin and get Torva

[plain pasture]

Nono

Cos no halberd

Dragon > crystal halberd is 20 str bonus.
Vs the extra 8 or so you'd gain from kandarin str bonus to torva

[wary egret]

Yeah but 5 piece Godsword blind bag

[hollow umbra]

I'd probably roll with the Echo boppers or the Melee bow but I gotta get armor somewhere

[plain pasture]

Torva helmet 8 obsidian 3
Torva plate 6 torso 4
Torva legs 4 obsidian/kilt 1

[shadow badger]

Just get oathplate

[plain pasture]

So 9 str bonus difference having asgarnia over kandarin.
But you'd lose 20 on crystal halberd

[hollow umbra]

right yeah, I forgot im picking Kourend for Oath LOL

[plain pasture]

You'd also lose piety

Which is worth more than str bonus as it's %

[hollow umbra]

worst case I'd pick Grimoire but freeing up a relic is huge

[manic prairie]

this is my gear plan for full tank, hope i dont need gwd for echo boots

[shadow badger]

You convinced me in picking Kandarin over Asgarnia

[plain pasture]

Ur build is actually interesting mouse

[hollow umbra]

Kandarin is BACK in a big way

🍾

[plain pasture]

I never thought of crystal halberd with crystal

[shadow badger]

This is my build for ZKT

[hollow umbra]

chally gets so many big buffs out of pacts

[plain pasture]

Yeh

That's actually a huge boost just with kandarin pick over asgarnia

And u can always slave out ooathplate to make it less of a diff

[manic prairie]

i hope theres an option for tank gloves

[hollow umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854889495114416148/1491623452707131412/image.png?ex=69d85e18&is=69d70c98&hm=fe91ed52e0de55db5d21e7e7655876987ca6bb3090faaed56b486af74cf79168& kinda similar here

I prioritized the accuracy pact from mage

[manic prairie]

is specing in to all 3 ranged types worth?

[plain pasture]

I mean my first build is still gonna be ranged

[hollow umbra]

they all work with ranged echo

on melee

[plain pasture]

But maybe I'll try ur melee build for second

I wanted melee originally

[shadow badger]

I decided to go for the 1 tick powered staves

[plain pasture]

U aware u lose 8 maxhits

[shadow badger]

It's fine

[plain pasture]

On base damage which is s big effect on overall boosts

Lots of people forget that bit l0l

[shadow badger]

Especially once I get shadow

I have Kourend for ancestral so shadow is gonna hit hard

[plain pasture]

Which areas u doing

[shadow badger]

ZKT

[manic prairie]

how much stuff prayes melee?

[plain pasture]

Yeah, kandarin, tiran?

[shadow badger]

Yeah

I was planning on Asgarnia over Kandarin but 7 tile halberd is too good

[plain pasture]

So ancestral, occult, devils, trident echo, conflict gaunts, treads,

Is there a reason for tiran on mage build?

[shadow badger]

I'm mainly doing a melee build

[plain pasture]

Oh ok

[lapis bobcat]

uh, trident of the swamps, I guess?

[plain pasture]

Thought u meant shadow is ur endgoal

[shadow badger]

Nah I meant for mage, shadow is the endgoal

[plain pasture]

Ahhhhhh

But yeh same areas as mouse then

His melee build sounds stacked

[shadow badger]

I'm building for melee with blindbag, 7 tile halberd, and ranged echoes

[plain pasture]

Yeh stacked af

I can see that halberd hitting low 100s

Not mathed it. But quite possibly

[shadow badger]

Is the hespori bow 3 tick?

[lapis bobcat]

we don't know

[plain pasture]

Presumably, 2 with boq speed increase

Bow

[manic prairie]

would prayer pen work on kq since its not really a prayer in the code?

[shadow badger]

Not sure

[plain pasture]

Weirdly maybe.
I felt like it did in echoes

[shadow badger]

Would be interesting to find out

[lapis bobcat]

I doubt it will have an effect on regular kq

[plain pasture]

Echo kq felt like it did

[ripe turtle]

Wait a sec

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-101-11-127-134-136-139-145-153-156-164-167-17-18-3-5-54-56-57-59-6-60-61-62-63-64-69-7-70-8-87-92-93-94-95-96-98-99

could someone see if this gives u the page with my build on there

[hollow umbra]

yeah it does

0 keystones scares me

[lapis bobcat]

the useless build returns

any changes?

[ripe turtle]

hell yeah

no i was just on the wiki and saw the long link at the top

was wondering if it shared like that

very cool to know it does

[tall latch]

Would healing mage be the most forgiving pathway for a mobile only casual player?

[ripe turtle]

Best possible build

trust me bro

[ripe turtle]

Melee with thorns and all the healing/overheal perks tbh

u could prob just stand there and outheal/kill basically any standard boss in the game lol

[tall latch]

Wouldn't I need end game gear for thorns to be good?

[silent garnet]

Yes, easily. Here is a build for you that heals 40 hp every 1.8 seconds with a max hp of 189 and you only need 16 points

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-112-113-114-122-44-46-56-59-68-92-93-94-96-99

[lapis bobcat]

barrows gear and a shield wouldn't be anything to scoff at with all the defence boosting pacts

[ripe turtle]

no not really. I mean, it's great to have it, but if you can even do like barrows (which shouldn't be a problem on mobile) you'll still have great defense gear

[tall latch]

Thanks guys

[manic prairie]

i really hope barrows gloves are obtainable somehow

[shadow badger]

Have they ever been for leagues?

Is this supposed to be the correct order for transmutation?

[lapis bobcat]

barrows gloves won't be obtainable

[manic prairie]

inb4 the relic nect to reloded is misthalin

[lapis bobcat]

the whole point of this league is "No Misthalin"

[shadow badger]

Point cappers in shambles

[manic prairie]

i dont mean the region but the unlocks

tds, dfs/wyvern/dfw, cooks chest

[lapis bobcat]

dragonfire shield is obtainable

[manic prairie]

we still dont have a demonbane weapon, and they said demonbane would be accounted for

[lapis bobcat]

I don't think barrows gloves have EVER been obtainable in a league

[manic prairie]

dont you need to have completed dragonslayer to craft it?

[shadow badger]

The echo amox weapons might be demonbane

[manic prairie]

thats 1 style tho

[lapis bobcat]

is dragonslayer 1 not autocompleted at the start of the league?

magic still has demonbane

weaker without purging staff, but present

[manic prairie]

would be a good spot for that relic, and a good relic for that spot (for me)

[shadow badger]

Only if you pick Kourend or Grimoire

[lapis bobcat]

to be fair, one of the main spots you'd need demonbane is Kourend with Yama

only 2 others I can think of

Kril

and Doom

[manic prairie]

doom, gwd, imps

[lapis bobcat]

Doom is gonna be interesting with limited demonsbane

[shadow badger]

Yeah because of doom, they're gonna give demonbane to everyone

[wary egret]

wonder if it will be a relic, maybe the last t6? all weapons are demonbane lol

[young osprey]

I don't think it'll be tied to a relic because there's too many demon enemies available

[wary egret]

There’s a lot of slayer monsters available too lol

[torpid blade]

Anyone want to help me theorycraft a crossbow/halberd build?

This is what I have now:

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-101-102-103-106-11-13-14-15-153-154-155-157-16-161-164-17-18-19-2-20-21-22-24-29-30-31-38-39-4-43-65-66-7-74-83-86-87-91

[wary egret]

What areas are you going?

Emberlight is less than 1kg??

[shadow badger]

Yeah

Arclight is heavy

But I don't think you can get darklight

[wary egret]

That would be a game changer if there’s a way to get one for a light melee build

Melee overall feels weaker so that might elevate it

Especially for Yama

[torpid blade]

Haven't thought about it yet. The heavy ranged/halberd ranged just seems fun lol

[toxic vortex]

Theyve said before that demonbane would be covered

But we've yet to hear what that actually means

[toxic vortex]

No emberlight

[wary egret]

Confirmed? Seems like a miss if so lol

[toxic vortex]

Confirmed a long time ago

You need TDs to make emberlight.

No TDs

[marsh hull]

Unless yama's cave is crawling with them??? But ya probably not, My guess is the echo weapons are demonbane

[toxic vortex]

I mean they outright said there wouldn't be any

[marsh hull]

Oh perfect! I haven't kept up with too much until it was closer

[shadow badger]

New demon mobs - Happy demons

Drops the happy synapse

[marsh hull]

And they are locked in a wizard toward like area and it's a task to kill one

[shadow badger]

And it's multicombat

[toxic vortex]

If only there was a tower, filled with wizards

And maybe they could have a cage

[shadow badger]

Could call it a tower of wizards

[toxic vortex]

Don't be stupid

It would never work

[empty pagoda]

With that many wizards in it, it would be at risk of burning down.

[shadow badger]

Just build a second one smh my head

[rustic prism]

Was anything new revealed today?

[marsh hull]

Naw it's the rewot sdraziw

[marsh hull]

They confirmed the tree and the wiki has a better tree builder

[shadow badger]

Nah mate, issa ɹǝʍoʇ ,spɹɐzᴉʍ

[marsh hull]

Anyway good luck on planning I am out for the night

[whole surge]

im going crossbow/halberd. the reagoins im going is M for the halberd, and W for the KBD crossbow. and maybe D for Armors https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?_gl=1*12ug6kz*_gcl_au*NjMxODk3OTc5LjE3NzExNTczNDg.&n=1-10-13-14-15-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-16-161-17-18-19-2-21-23-24-25-27-29-30-31-33-38-39-4-43-62-64-65-7-73-74-83-86-88

[tough finch]

you sure you don't want to go to 100% chance to regen? hurts your proc chance on the echos

[whole surge]

that is true. complatliy forgot echo needs regen.

[torpid blade]

Thank you for sharing!

[analog moat]

thinking water/thorn/health build lol https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?_gl=1*12ug6kz*_gcl_au*NjMxODk3OTc5LjE3NzExNTczNDg.&n=1-100-112-113-114-122-123-135-139-140-141-145-146-156-44-46-53-56-59-6-60-61-62-63-64-68-71-8-80-81-84-88-92-93-94-95-96-97-98-99

[surreal shore]

Is anyone else extremely disappointed that they're only providing 3 respecs at most for the ENTIRE duration of leagues? 130 skill points to choose from, but oops if you bricked yourself once you're 1/4th of the way to the League being unplayable

[smoky raft]

alright, more or less the same pacts as before but priorities have been shifted around

[surreal shore]

How do you see the relics

[smoky raft]

I find planning to be one of, if not THE most enjoyable part of leagues as a whole, and I'm glad when that's rewarded

[smoky raft]

relics or pacts?

[surreal shore]

Sure until you find out that certain interactions don't work as printed, or aren't numerically as good as expected

Like for example you can easily get 145% regeneration on tree, does that mean 45% chance to gain ammunition when using? Who knows?

[smoky raft]

it does

[tough finch]

4 chances is plenty, maybe could have been exhangeable for a mega rare voucher or something

[smoky raft]

we know

[surreal shore]

Does that mean 45% to double proc ranged echos? Who knows

[surreal shore]

Yea that's what I'm advocating for. And no it's not plenty. It's 130 skill points so that's something like 23 million skill tree iterations

[smoky raft]

good question! go to the leagues discord and ask it

[surreal shore]

How would they know? Leagues isn't out yet

[smoky raft]

mods answer there

[surreal shore]

Mods don't answer here?

[smoky raft]

nope

[surreal shore]

Rip

[smoky raft]

I'm not defending that, mind you

[surreal shore]

Can you link?

[smoky raft]

it's in the channel pins uh

here

whoops sorry senny

[cyan shale]

No worries

[tough finch]

there's realistically like a couple dozen actual builds though cmon

[sinful swallow]

leagues is all about your choices they have always been against taking a choice back

just plan ahead 3 resets should be pletnty to test around and lock in on the last one

[smoky raft]

and then I hit em with the

[tough finch]

👁️ 🫦 👁️

the build

[surreal shore]

There's realistically like 2 streamers that everyone's going to copy. If they don't limit respecs it means you don't have to do what everyone else is doing. That's kind of the whole point

[ebon hearth]

is that a pokemon

[tough finch]

I've already theorycrafted some sick custom builds, that's not real.

[surreal shore]

That's nice. Unfortunately I don't always get things exactly right on the first try. I am human

[smoky raft]

you get 3 more tries

[surreal shore]

I hope you continue to use AI to optimize your builds for you ahead of time so you don't make any mistakes tho

[sinful swallow]

thats why they released this befor the leagues

[calm jacinth]

I got to custom theorycraft, and had a blast no sub required. Most fun Ive had in a while

[tough finch]

luckily you get 4 chances plus an entire build crafter that lists out every single pact, what it does, and everything like what

[smoky raft]

?

[sinful swallow]

plenty of time to plan

[sturdy heath]

How into the voice

[surreal shore]

But you don't know how things work in practice until you try them. Maybe they work differently than the text says, maybe an expected synergy doesn't work (very VERY likely)

[tough finch]

Give me an example

[smoky raft]

this sounds like cope

[surreal shore]

Like the ranged echoes from smacking with melee weapons, do they benefit from the ranged skill tree

[smoky raft]

I think I'm using that word right

[surreal shore]

You don't have to respond if you have nothing nice to say

[smoky raft]

didn't you just accuse someone of using AI because they had a plan and you don't

[ebon hearth]

every game i played that lets you respec unlimited for free was like the best QoL update they ever did

[surreal shore]

Why do you feel like you have to have the last word?

[tough finch]

yes. like the ranged echoes can re trigger? yes.

[smoky raft]

am I not allowed to respond

I'll stop

[ebon hearth]

limiting respecs is lame especially if you brick your account somehow

espec with a tree this complicated it seems like a bad idea

[tough finch]

I think they should have been mega rare voucher exchangeable but I also think 4 is plenty

[ebon hearth]

they shouldve done classes or something if they wanted no respec

World of Runecraft

[surreal shore]

Like the one that says you gain a ranged echo, which type of ranged weapon does it benefit from? Is a ranged echo from using a spear counted as a crossbow? There's no way to know unless you try it. Then you have to respec

[smoky raft]

to be fair, that's what combat masteries were

[surreal shore]

It shouldn't be limited. Full stop

[smoky raft]

the mods have answered this one! ranged echoes created by the melee pact will roll with your melee stats

[surreal shore]

Rare drop sure, as long as it's repeatable

[ebon hearth]

in previous league? i dunno much about leagues

[tough finch]

Did you play the last leagues when you could never reset?

[ebon hearth]

im only familiar with dmm

[surreal shore]

No this is my first league

That's why I know from ARPG experience that when you have a skill tree without respecs, it's a miserable experience

At least if you're trying to be creative. If you want to copy a streamer fine

[smoky raft]

L5 had "combat masteries", a relatively simple system where each combat style was split into 6 tiers. You could only get a tier in a style if you had the previous tier of that style, and you could only get like... 10 or so overall

[smoky raft]

Normally I'd agree with you, "locked in" decisions in games never really sat well with me, but for a gamemode that's only going to last a few weeks (and will only really be played for 1 or 2), I think it's a good way to flex parts of hte game that don't normally get flexed

I see it the same way as locked regions

[surreal shore]

Is it only 2 weeks long? I thought it was like 3 months long

Why is it so short lol

[smoky raft]

each one has good and bad offerings, and if you go in blind, yeah, you could royally mess up. But if you take the time to look, you can put together something great and dominate in those few regions

[surreal shore]

Yea I peeped the leagues discord and people are planning around relics, I haven't even looked at the relics a single time

[smoky raft]

it's 8 weeks long in run time but, as with every league, it's very likely that the majority of players will drop off around 2 weeks in. It'll still be around, but most people will have burned out or reached their goals by then

[surreal shore]

That's crazy

[toxic vortex]

relics play a large part of what masteries you take, regions too

[surreal shore]

Well I figured I would just go tiranwn so I can play with halberds

7 tile halberd sounds funny af

[smoky raft]

the trailblazer formula is stacked decisions

[toxic vortex]

you need T and K for crystal hally

[smoky raft]

what region, what relics, what combat

[toxic vortex]

Really curious if the blindbag hits impact flask cooldown

[smoky raft]

I imagine they will but honestly even if they do... flask is just kinda meh

I guess for specs and the immmunity time for cheesing certain activities?

maybe it's jsut me but I feel like there's a LOT of sustain in the pacts

both prayer and hp

[shadow badger]

I hope they reveal the T7 and T8 relics today

[smoky raft]

I feel like they're going to reveal all but one relic today

seems like something they'd do

probably T7 honestly

[shadow badger]

I'm planning on picking flask so if the other T8 sucks, I don't have to think about it

[smoky raft]

fair enough

any particular use cases for flask that you're interested in or just that you prefer it to minion

[shadow badger]

Free 177 dmg with full restore

[smoky raft]

personally I'd pick minion over flask, though of course my build has more than enough sustain

[shadow badger]

And if blindbag reduces cooldown, it's even better

[smoky raft]

minion is something like +5 dps with no input

[shadow badger]

Can you bring minion into gauntlet?

[smoky raft]

minion and thorns should help me coast through the content I don't want to do by just focusing on staying alive and letting the boss die

[smoky raft]

I feel like this was answered but I can't find it lol

[toxic vortex]

Yes you can

[shadow badger]

Flask specifies you can bring it

[manic prairie]

do you guys think the ranged strength node also counts positive hp?

it says difference between current and normal max hp

[shadow badger]

Overheal is not counted

[lofty zinc]

Wiki says we get three resets

[lofty zinc]

Dang fr? Feels like with the way it's worded it would be.

[shadow badger]

The ranged strength bonus from having lower health doesn't consider your potential to be overhealed

[manic prairie]

but would having over heal also count towards the difference?

like if you are at 139hp, thats 40 levels difference from your normal max

[shadow badger]

It says current hitpoints vs Hitpoints level

[analog moat]

will overheal work with the water healing

[lofty zinc]

Yeah that wording just sounds like you don't get the difference between your max overhealed health and your current health.

[manic prairie]

yes

[shadow badger]

Overheals aren't counted so you would just be capped to 99/99

[shadow badger]

It would be 99 - 139 which would be -40

I guess Runescript can't handle absolute values

[manic prairie]

i feel like thats an assumption

[shadow badger]

Well then, they wouldn't specify it

[manic prairie]

the future is now and the devs probably know how to make a number be a number

[marsh hull]

There is also the noxious halberd in Morytania, that's another fun option with the build! You could even grab both

[shadow badger]

And 6 scythe combo

[analog moat]

if the shield pact goes off the heal 2 and restore 2 prayer and you have 1 overheals 30% pact, say your hp is 60 would you heal 18 from the overheal + the 2 from the shield

[marsh hull]

I thought Faux got Sarnie to say it did? Either way it will be discussed in about 9 hours

[marsh hull]

I couldn't find this anywhere

[shadow badger]

Someone posted it here

[marsh hull]

I missed it, ty for the reshare!

[manic prairie]

wait so if you profit runes do you trigger the effect more?

and also this means you could infinitely make onyx bolts

[shadow badger]

Looks like fire spell burns do count overheals

I guess they didn't want crossbows to be even more OP

[manic prairie]

so if i use smoke runes and mud runes to cast earth wave i get all 4 elemental runes triggered?

[shadow badger]

I think it's based on spell cost

not rune used

Regeneration happens once but takes into account how many runes the spell cast regenerated.

[latent grail]

Hey everyone!

Sooo i only play a 10hp account and have since early 2000s. Im wanting to try out leagues this time, but since ive never really had a main, im kinda ignorant as to which relics are good and which path(s) to take.

I wish to use leagues to try out a lot of things ive never really done before and just feel really OP.

So yeah, any and all advice would be greatly appreciated!

[manic prairie]

it says that it regenerates the combination rune, and the combo rune counts towards both components

[shadow badger]

Time to wait for someone to test it lol

[manic prairie]

Combination runes trigger both of the regenerations but regenerate into their separate runes, so regenerating a mistrune will proc both but return you an air and a water rune

this sounds like it regenerates both runes, but not the combo rune?

[shadow badger]

Yeah but it doesn't say if the spell was wind or water

[manic prairie]

thats a different line

the way its worded, if i use mud and smoke to cast an earth spell, i will get all 4 elemental rune effects, but be returned non combination runes

so if you want to abuse combination runes for bonus effects you will have to supply the combination

[shadow badger]

I'm assuming if you use a spell that uses air and water, you'll get both, otherwise you only get one of them

Or it's based on runes used and just gives you both the runes regardless of spell cost

[manic prairie]

thats not the wording

[molten gust]

||Don’t mind this, just adding random bits to see if I can get closer to ranking up.|| nothing important.

[manic prairie]

if its mee6 doing the levels this doesnt work

[shadow badger]

Doesn't matter

Someone will test it day 1

We'll all be wcing and mining then

[molten gust]

Yeah I know just saying bits for lols I guess while its 2 am.

[manic prairie]

anyways, the profiting of runes changes a lot for defensive build

changes the max defence from 309 to around 380

are wrath runes locked somewhere?

[shadow badger]

Regeneration only triggers for runes that were actually required by the spell. So no using combination runes to trigger regeneration effects from earth/fire for a water spell (air/water)

[latent grail]

If my goal during leagues is to try out content i cant normally do, is there any path i should be taking?

[manic prairie]

if there was a viable way to cast earth and water runes in a combat spell

[latent grail]

i dont know anything about pvm. So i wanna try it during leagues

[manic prairie]

fire runes seem to have a big option with undead grasp

idk if they would just die on the spot tho

[shadow badger]

Do arceuus spells count as fire spells

[gentle rune]

No

[manic prairie]

they are combat spells, but the fire effect is 1 damage per fire rune regenerated

and its 12 fire runes per cast

[wind vale]

where do i get the answers to the combat mastery clue

clues

[shadow badger]

Seems like it'll work for arceuus spells

Since it only says combat spells

[manic prairie]

thats 18 max hit per spell cast if you have all regeneration

[coral silo]

If i cast earth surge with lava and mist runes, can it regenerate all 4 elemental runes and trigger all 4 different elemental regeneration effects?

[shadow badger]

Earth surge only triggers air and earth

[manic prairie]

you have have said both things with your sources

[coral silo]

but if i use lava in place of earth, and the lava rune gets regenerated, doesnt it instead regenerate an earth rune and a fire rune?

[manic prairie]

thats the wording

the wording says it should work

[shadow badger]

Regeneration takes account of the cost of the spell

Not the runes used

[coral silo]

gotcha

[shadow badger]

Otherwise it would be pretty busted for mage

[coral silo]

"Fire spell hits apply 1 burn (max 5) and bounce to up to 2 nearby targets"

Does this mean the burn bounces, or the fire spell bounces?

If it's the spell that bounces, and i have
"Blood spells now count as 'fire' spells"
then does blood barrage hit a 3x3 area that then bounces to up to 2 other targets, hitting them each with a 3x3 blood barrage??

[shadow badger]

I'm assuming it's the spell

[coral silo]

holy moly

[shadow badger]

Fire spell hits apply burn

[coral silo]

it's def worded that way

[shadow badger]

And fire spell hits bounce

[coral silo]

is that not insane?? Potentially 3 blood barrages per cast

• burn
• hella heals

[shadow badger]

Won't know until it's tested

[coral silo]

true true

[shadow badger]

but it's worded that way

[sick coral]

Making sure does sang staff count as blood spells or does it act like all normal powered staffs?

[manic prairie]

seeing that earth is capped at like 170 defense

i might just do a ranged build?

idk i just lost steam when i saw that the cap was that low

[manic prairie]

double hit weapons blind bag fully right?

the echo boppers should also be part of it right?

[shadow badger]

1 proc per attack

[manic prairie]

is the first node a point?

i assume it is

[shadow badger]

Yes

[manic prairie]

the leages planner website doesnt count it

[shadow badger]

Mine does

[edgy lava]

check out that pact 3 down from the middle then that one diagonal bottom left, that pact right there would go crazy with the magic pacts

[lofty zinc]

Does the boosted min hit on melee weapons mean if I hit anything lower than my min hit it turns into that min hit? Or does it mean if I successfully roll an attack I'm rolling an equal chance for anything between (My boosted min hit - My max hit) Orrrrrr is it like (Whatever I was going to hit +boosted min hit)

[shadow badger]

Regenerate?

[edgy lava]

yes

though idk if the regenerate chances are additive or multiplicitive

[shadow badger]

Everything is additive

[lapis flax]

"Regeneration only triggers for runes that were actually required by the spell. So no using combination runes to trigger regeneration effects from earth/fire for a water spell (air/water)" This is from the leagues discord from modhusky

[edgy lava]

so what happens if you get 2 +30%, that would put you at 120% would that mean you had a 20% chance to generate twice or is 120% the same as a 100%

[shadow badger]

I got 2 +30%

[lapis flax]

"Regeneration can go above 100% and will not be wasted
At 100% regeneration you will not lose runes/ammo, at above 100% you'll start profiting them"

again from leagues discord from modhusky

[edgy lava]

so that does mean you'll have a chance to proc regenerate twice

that changes SOME things

[lapis flax]

if you can get to 200% youll guarantee double your runes every cast for example ye

[edgy lava]

i think the max is 155%

[lapis flax]

150% would be guaranteed 1 and 50% chance to get another

[lapis flax]

just giving an example

[edgy lava]

i get it

[lapis flax]

not saying thats actually possible to reach

[edgy lava]

man, the fire rune generated pact sounds like its strong because it increases damage but at most you'll do 2 more damage starting from your second hit onwards

unless im missing something

wait per rune generated

[lapis flax]

yeah

[edgy lava]

so at most 6 more damage per attack

[lapis flax]

so fire surge would be 10

[edgy lava]

now heres what i want to know

if it takes 10 fire runes to cast fire surge and you generate 20 because you procted it twice does that mean you'll do 20 more damage

[lapis flax]

on the next att ye

[edgy lava]

well then thats a nasty pact because you could generate 14 air runes 20 fire runes and 2 wrath runes in 1 cast

[lapis flax]

wouldnt be guaranteed

even with the max of 150 or so as you say, would be like 15 fire runes on average

which is still really strong

plus 15 dmg on average every cast

[edgy lava]

does it roll generate on each individual rune or does it roll for regenerate once then regenerates all of them

[lapis flax]

"Regeneration happens once but takes into account how many runes the spell cast regenerated. Infinite rune sources still trigger regenerations"

from mod husky

wait

oh so ig if the 50% hits then it would do all 20

🤔

[edgy lava]

wait that one only deals more damage based on fire runes cast i gotta learn how to read

[lapis flax]

are you talking ab0out the base fire spell one?

[edgy lava]

but it sounds like it will regenerate the runes in bulk instead of rolling each rune

[edgy lava]

yes

[lapis flax]

it says its increased by 1 per rune regenerated

so if you regenerate 20 fire runes

its 20 dmg

[cinder cedar]

Any 5 scythe builds already made?

[edgy lava]

right but i didnt read the part where it said fire runes specifically

[lapis flax]

i see what you are saying

yeah all those are the base rune types

[edgy lava]

how does regenerate function on powered staves

[lapis flax]

you need the pacts for it to do so

it will regen the charges

but if you get the pacts it can also regen runes

they are to the left and right of the attack speed increases for staves

but its only 1 fire rune

or rune in general

not however many were used by the charge

[edgy lava]

so then those ones are a little weak then except maybe the air one

well maybe the water one too

since you could get 1 tick powered staves

[lapis flax]

the water one is the only one thats pretty good to get

15% for 1 prayer point

i guess every 7 ticks for 1 prayer is not awful

idk if its worth a pact point tho

but yeah the water one is 1hp per tick

which is pretty good

(assuming 1tick powered stave)

[edgy lava]

if you're casting at a 1 tick speed you'll be gaining 1 prayer point per 0.6 seconds so that will mean you dont need prayer pots and as for the healing it might even negate the need for food

[lapis flax]

no

youll be getting a 15% chance to get 1 perayer point every tick

as thats what the air pact does

[edgy lava]

you right

[lapis flax]

which is why i say 1 per 7 ticks

on average

[edgy lava]

hypothetically, how many prayers can you have active at 1 time

[lapis flax]

8 i think

[edgy lava]

magic seems to have an incredible amount of damage it can dish out

[lapis flax]

the purple melee/defense prayers, the 2 hearts, perserve, protect item and overhead

56% bonus dmg ye

[edgy lava]

air spells having a +7% damage increase per prayer active could be wild

[lapis flax]

but then you have to upkeep your prayer points

[lucid flare]

The bow speed will work with atlatl right since its a bow not a thrown even tho its thrown ?

[lapis flax]

its thrown

for league pacts

so the thrown section of the ranged tree works with it the bow does not

[lucid flare]

Despite not being strung and using a “throwing” attack animation, the atlatl is technically a bow and not a thrown weapon.

[edgy lava]

its too bad there arent more prayer generating pacts because if you're going for air magic your prayer points are going to disintigrate

[lapis flax]

read the first pacts in the ranged tree brother

the thrown and bow ones specifically

[lucid flare]

Nedd to check that yes

Thats why i asked just saw the fist bow mastery

And then went to atlatl wiki

And found that sentence

[edgy lava]

it says "all thrown pacts works with the atlatl"

as for the bow ones it says will not

crossbows it doesnt say

but its not a crossbow so its safe to assume not

[lapis flax]

also if you go to the leagues discord you can see modhusky has confirmed this

"Atlatl is considered a thrown weapon not a bow for this league as far as pacts are concerned"

[lucid flare]

Ah yea states on the thrown works with atlatl

[edgy lava]

bro that throwing axe pact at the bottom right is just dumb for the atlatl

[lucid flare]

Yeah im not in every discord an check everything just didnt check the thrown tree

[edgy lava]

its just "hey here's a slightly worse version of what the atlatl is used for"

[lucid flare]

The mele str increase for ranged ?

[edgy lava]

yes

thats like "hey that thing this thing does, you get to almost double it"

[lapis flax]

well the atlatl max hit is based on melee strength

but that pact just increases ranged strength based on melee

so it actually doesnt do anythign for atlatl

[edgy lava]

???

[lapis flax]

it doesnt increase melee strength based on ranged strength

its the other way around

[edgy lava]

so getting ranged strength will do nothing for the atlatl

[lapis flax]

as it is in the main game ye

[edgy lava]

man

still good for darts or something i guess

[lapis flax]

blowpipe counts as thrown right?

since darts

[edgy lava]

i got no idea about that one

[shadow badger]

Yes

[lapis flax]

its attack styles in game are thrown

so i assume so

should be good for the bp then

that pact that is

[edgy lava]

oh yeah the attack styles are a thrown symbol

so now heres the question that needs to be asked, can ranged gear give a higher ranged strength bonus than 80% of what melee can give as a strength bonus?

[lapis flax]

probably not but idk havent looked

[edgy lava]

the answer is HECK no

max melee strength gear is about 54 after the 80% while ranged is about 22

[lapis flax]

afaik 99% of range strength comes from ammunition

so yeah makes sense

[static anvil]

can also get some extra melee str from the pact that gives 50% of pray bonus as melee str

[lapis flax]

problem you get with that is that then your range accuracy is bad, but ig thats what the capstone is for plus 60 accuracy and all the % acc boosts on the board

[somber meadow]

What is gonna be like the early game armour and weapons to rush for in varlamore ive never really paid any attetion to the niche things

[edgy lava]

that wouldnt work too well because max prayer bonus is like 73 i think

but thats not a realistic bonus

[lapis flax]

that one is more jsut a bonus for melee setups that get like 15-20 prayer bonus just from the normal melee strength gear

[shadow badger]

Use sunfire gear from colo

[somber meadow]

Am i gonna go punch the colo ?

[static anvil]

idk it's right next to the pact that gives u 20% chance not to spend spec energy, could be some fun pickups for a range build too

[lapis flax]

perilous moons, naguas are probably the main things

[lapis flax]

yeah but after the 50% turning it into melee strength then 80% turning it into range strength it gets diluted pretty quick

probably not ideal to stack prayer bonus over melee or ranged strength probably better to just grab it and accept whatever small bonus it gives

is more what i mean

or maybe not even at all if the bonus will be too low

really just depends on what items you can get in your zones i guess

like sunfire armour would end up giving 9.6 range strength, which is the same as oathplate, less than torva, technically less than inquisitor since that would be 10 including its own prayer bonus

and thats the bis prayer bonus gear

so idk i feel like its more jsut an add on rather than something to build into

[edgy lava]

is the only melee pact that increases attack speed the weapons that weigh under 1kg?

[lapis flax]

ye

[edgy lava]

yikes

[lapis flax]

but blindbag is basically an attackspeed increase

[edgy lava]

true

[lapis flax]

25% chance to do an extra attack with a heavy weapon in invent

as long as you stack 5 heavy weapons in the invent

its kinda a roundabout way to do it and also rng but it is still more bonus attacks, also off of the blind bag tree you can get ranged echo hits off of your melee attacks

and those will trigger on your blindbag hits too

[static anvil]

blindbag can trigger blindbag as well

[lapis flax]

and work with the first perks in the range tree that make echos better plus the one that makes you be able to echo up to 4 times off 1 hit

[lapis flax]

yes since the blindbag hits count as normal attacks

so with the ranged echos and blindbag hits technically you could do like infinite damage 🤣

tho unlikely

[static anvil]

yh thats what im thinking of building lolol

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?_gl=1*12ug6kz*_gcl_au*NjMxODk3OTc5LjE3NzExNTczNDg.&n=1-10-11-139-142-143-144-145-146-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-157-161-162-163-164-165-17-18-2-3-4-43-5-7-73-74-79-80-82-83-85-86-87-88

[shadow badger]

That's what I came up with

[lapis flax]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-12-133-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-157-161-18-19-2-22-25-3-32-33-34-4-43-44-46-5-53-56-59-6-68-73-74-8-80-83-86-9-99

this is my tribrid focus on blindbag build with nox hally

likely what i will end up building

unlkes the last relics change my mind

[static anvil]

50% chance of saving charges/ammo might want more tho im not sure myself

cranking it to 110% so i never need to think about it seems chill but gives up some cooler pacts

[lapis flax]

eh

50% is already good enough imo - maybe im wrong tho but thats what respecs are for

[chrome ravine]

The dual handed melee weapons and hunter equipment. Civitas actually has a good armory with basic melee gear. I don't think you'll be rushing mid game at varlamore probably another area with level 60 gear for the style you choose. Then you come back to varlamore for Huey, sol and the moon's with dragon equipment. There is a lot of skilling though.

[chrome ravine]

Depends on how it stacks with Ava's if you go frem for it. For magic as long as you have a source for runes you're good.

[lapis flax]

idk about building into both 1h and 2h stuff also im assuming you have kandarin as a region or something? you took the recoil booster without taking thorns

[static anvil]

echo boots go brrr

[lapis flax]

im planning on trin-mory-fremm so i will have accumulator but ye

[thin tide]

What regions would people recommend for someone that wants to use this league for learning bossing and PVM in general?

[static anvil]

and the 1h pacts are just accidental rly otw to spec

[lapis flax]

is this like crystal hally spec spam or somethign? blindbag doesnt trigger off of specs

[sinful swallow]

Just tale all 3 raids XD

[shadow badger]

AKT

Or AZT

[chrome ravine]

If your account has decent stats I would say tiranwin for gauntlet, frem for vorkath and daganoth and any of the 3 raid areas but kourend might be a good pick because Yama is there. So if there's something special with him that'll be the only way.

[static anvil]

nah more of an assumption that we'll have a good echo spec wep

recoil thingy im hoping syngergizes with echo boots from ggs, but im not married to it

[shadow badger]

Fuck

6 days left

[lapis flax]

idk if the amox echo weapon will have a spec, but cerb dagger might?

ig the spec stuff also works on other styles too

kbd xbow and hespori bow maybe

[lapis flax]

too long, release it now jagex

🤣

[chrome ravine]

I'm actually hoping for the ward to come back. If it's on kbd I'm going full crossbow nuke.

[lapis flax]

it does

[static anvil]

also idk what it means by total def bonus

[lapis flax]

we already know all of the echo items we just dont know stats

[static anvil]

like if justy has +400 in slash/crush/stab does it have 1200 total def? 12dmg echo boots?

[chrome ravine]

Where? I thought they only announced a few and are announcing them on the 10th.

[lapis flax]

yeah max build for that with dihns bulwark is like +19 dmg

[lapis flax]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Demonic_Pacts_League#Echo_bosses_and_echo_equipment

they are announcing the stats and specifics on the 10th

[lapis flax]

but for that build you can do way better if you build fully into recoil

and blindbag

ignore the hally tree and spec tree

[static anvil]

im not touching a shield tbh

[lapis flax]

since dihns bulwark is a 2handed weapon you can triugger blindbag

oir heavy weapon

rather 2h doesnt matter for blindbag

[static anvil]

ya but shield req for thorns

so im out

[lapis flax]

yeah thats the dihns bulwark

🤣

[static anvil]

like im not swinging a dinny B for the whole league lmao

[chrome ravine]

Is this actually confirmed to be all? I don't think that's all. Last year every echo had 2 drops 1 guaranteed first kill and 1 at 50kc. Thermy the only one on that list with 2.

[lapis flax]

could be fun tho

[lapis flax]

thats not true tho?

[static anvil]

need the hally range so I can use nox on zuk ofc

[lapis flax]

gargs only had the gloves of the dammed right?

[lapis flax]

a man after my own heart

[shadow badger]

No they didn't?

[lapis flax]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Raging_Echoes_League#Echo_bosses_and_echo_equipment

only 3 of them had 2

[static anvil]

Like i dont think my setup is minmaxed or anything but I do think it's gonna be fun to have a fully versatile setup for being able to melee everything in the game

7 tile range also good for nm pillars 🤔

[lapis flax]

so

the only issue i see

[chrome ravine]

Of course the 3 I picked lol.

[lapis flax]

is that echo boots are only in a 3x3 radius or somethign right?

[shadow badger]

Wonder how halberd vs zuk is gonna go

[lapis flax]

so with 7 tile hally it wont do anything

[shadow badger]

Yeah it's melee range

default

[static anvil]

we're only 7 tile hallying when we can't actually melee things

[timber quest]

Nm pillars do have that juicy 2x from magic damage thooooo

[static anvil]

yh going into 1t aya would prolly beat it

SAD

[timber quest]

Has anyone seen if kourend choosers have gotta farm and complete all 5 rads contracts?

The pact says to equip 1 piece of rads but you gotta do all 5 for the sigil right? Maybe the contract drops a piece but that sounds too easy

[lapis flax]

id assume all 5

[static anvil]

not sure but if its anything like gridmaster u get contracts dropped like every kill

[timber quest]

Ye same xD

Oh true farming won't be too bad

[lapis flax]

5x drop rate

[static anvil]

like dossier was affected by the 5x

[timber quest]

Hopefully it's not like grid cuz it was a lil meh not gotta any loot

[shadow badger]

I got lucky and got helm and legs in 10 kc

[lapis flax]

i got nothign but dossiers from yama in gm lmao

[static anvil]

same for like 150kc

[lapis flax]

i think i stopped after 100 or so

[timber quest]

Ye it was roughhh

Wouldn't have been as bad if some tallow or aether cat was dropped too maybe xf

[lapis flax]

wait no i got the oathplate piece after like 80 or somethign

[timber quest]

Oof

[lapis flax]

but i did stop at 100

[lapis flax]

oops all dossiers

[timber quest]

Xd

[lapis flax]

5x drop rate should be a 1/24 for unique table from yama

right?

normally a 1/120

[timber quest]

The maths sounds good to me

But I'm bad at math

[lapis flax]

wait no thats oathplate or soulflame specifcally

i think?

oh

its weird

[timber quest]

50/50 innit

[lapis flax]

its 1/120 to roll the unique table, then a 3/5 to hit oathplate if dont hit then 2/5 for soulflame, then if dont hit you roll for dossier lockbox etc

so yeah i guess 1/24 to hit the table i assume the secondary rolls for oathplate are not 5x

otyherwise youd only get oathplate if you hit the drop table and never a dossier

[edgy lava]

bruh what if every pact that increases defense levels, every pact that increases regeneration, the pact that increases standard spell speed by 2 ticks when using a wand, choose the earth spell pact to gain defense levels off of generating earth runes, then get +1 damage per defense level from earth spells then use earth surge

with the obvious magic gear and tome of earth

assuming my math is right you could get up to 459 defense for 1 tick but its a more realistic average of 309 defense assuming you're always attacking

[fluid sail]

I’m currently trying to cook a “fu, eat rocks” build that does exactly that - thought about trying to incorporate thorns somehow but that doesn’t really work

[edgy lava]

there is a way

you need 2 pacts and a ward

well you need 1 but the 2 work well together

the one that gives you thorns when a shield is equip, and the one that gives +5 melee and ranged strength, and 2% magic damage when an offhanded item is equip

then use a wand with a ward

that's a part of my current build for earth i have

[fluid sail]

Do shields count as offhands for that passive? As well as the heal one in between mage and melee. Unsure about the wording.

[edgy lava]

offhand is just the shield slot

also which heal one are we talking about

[fluid sail]

Ok cool. It seems like shields and offhands were two different keywords but I guess it’s a “all shields are offhands but not all offhands are shields” deal

[edgy lava]

i have no sustain pacts besides just high defense

[fathom socket]

Anyone find it strange that the icon for <1 Kg weapons increase Str by 20% looks like a Blade of Saeldor? Odd considering its over 1Kg

[edgy lava]

imagine they change the weight of melee weapons specifically for the league

[shadow badger]

Isn't that for 1 handed weapons

[fluid sail]

You heal for 2 hp and 2 prayer when hit by a 0 with a 2h shield or offhand equipped

[fathom socket]

or one handed

omg

[edgy lava]

i see that could work i'd have to lose 2% magic damage to get that tho

man, tank mage, never thought i'd see the day.

you'll be consistantly hitting almost more than likely over 100s just about every hit

after your defense builds up that is

[fluid sail]

I’m excited for it, probably what I’m going to try first

[shadow badger]

I think I'll respec into a thorns build to finish ket-rek's special challenge

[fluid sail]

I asked into the FAQ but I’m hoping that the earth capstone works with invisible defence levels too from prayers and shit

[edgy lava]

Everyone is going to be doing high damage and have to be juggling resources whilst the earth mages will just be going "I eat those"

Having higher defenses than general graardor is just ridiculous

[silent depot]

Correct me if I’m stupid, but does 100% accuracy make it so you never miss, or how is it used when rolling for hits?

[fluid sail]

Even though it was dogshit, I played an “immortal mage” build last leagues and had a lot of fun with it

[edgy lava]

Now the immortal mage does a ton of damage

[fluid sail]

It means your accuracy is doubled. So if you have a 40% chance to hit, 100%+ accuracy means you now have an 80% chance to hit

[edgy lava]

Bro think about it what if you just wore melee tank armor instead of mage armor

[silent depot]

I see, thanks buddy!

[fluid sail]

I though about this but mage is so fking inaccurate

[edgy lava]

You'd be getting magic levels off of regenerating runes so your accuracy is good, there's pacts that increases accuracy you won't really need to worry about it

[fluid sail]

Only up to 10, and the increased accuracy won’t do anything if you have have any mage atk to increase

I think the real strat might be speccing into shadow = earth and rocking Virtus for some disgusting mage dmg increases

[edgy lava]

Maybe then what if you just have some tank items and some accuracy items

If you're incorporating a ward for thorns you'd definitely want to take as many 0s as you can

[fluid sail]

Yeah, I’m just hoping that can be done without sacrificing too much mage gear. Feels great to enjoy the only combat style that can go “yeah well what if you attack actually just didn’t?”

[inner zenith]

are they doing a daily FAQ or is it just random, need this regen thing clarifying 😄

[edgy lava]

You're straight up set on damage because of the defense levels it's just accuracy so I think prioritizing defense gear is probably going to be better

And in whatever circumstances it isn't you aren't locked to just one set of gear

The real question is what had the greatest impact on accuracy rolls, defense levels or defense values

[fluid sail]

Yeah very true, just might affect zones a bit.

Even if it’s terrible, I’m glad Jagex cooked that lets us make some really wacky builds

[edgy lava]

Indeed, aren't there also pacts that give bonuses based on the amount of tiles you are from what you're attacking that works with every style, that could be something to look at too

[fluid sail]

Yeah but those didn’t seem overly worth it for this build, imo

[edgy lava]

It honestly depends on what they do

I don't remember I'm on my phone before bed so I don't have it off the top of my head

[fluid sail]

There mostly in the melee tree

[edgy lava]

Also the one where crossbows always hit max then the one that makes crossbows deal 70% more damage but lowers the attack speed by 2 ticks sounds incredibly strong

[fluid sail]

One gives your thorns a 10% chance to heal you for 1hp per tile, another regens 2% special

[edgy lava]

If wands are the go to then yeah both aren't great however they could be good utility if you're willing to sacrifice some damage

[shy lake]

does anyone happen to remember how many worlds were allocated to leagues last year?

[edgy lava]

Isn't the purging staff a magic defense shredder, that could be nice with the spec regen as a spec switch

Whatever the one that drops from the doom boss

[fluid sail]

Won’t need mage defense shredding with earth as that tree shreds it by default which is awesome

Every hit is -2 def and mage on the target

[edgy lava]

Another point for tank armor over mage armor 😉

[fluid sail]

Lmfao tru

[edgy lava]

Why worry about accuracy if their defense is 0

[fluid sail]

Gotta hit them in the first place I suppose

[edgy lava]

You'll tank through it so it won't be bad

[fluid sail]

But it is a good point that I can consider dumping some accuracy nodes and putting them elsewhere

[edgy lava]

People are looking at fire magic for big damage but don't see the implications of the mage tank

[fluid sail]

Fire doesn’t seem too amazing to me

Unless I’m missing something it does good spread damage but for bossing is seems very mid

[edgy lava]

It's definitely a decent amount stronger than other mages because of burn

But it's sustainability leaves much to be desired

[fluid sail]

Just don’t see myself caring too much about 5 burn damage very tick when I’m hitting 100s with earth every 2-3 ticks

[edgy lava]

Im pretty sure the burn damage is percentage based

Or at least one of them is

[tacit oyster]

earth will be lowest dps out of all the mage styles

+1 flat damage per 12 defence lvls

[edgy lava]

You'd be averaging 309 defense levels sustainability and get 459 at the absolute highest for 1 tick

[tacit oyster]

how do you get 309 defence lvls? regenerating runes can only give +19

[sinful swallow]

and max 160 from the tree

then super def for about 180 ish

[edgy lava]

155% regeneration

Earth surge could get you up to 20 defense levels a cast

[tall latch]

Anyone seen a theorycraft of full thorn / tank yet? Im thinking of using this with the minion

[tacit oyster]

cannot exceed 20% of your BASE defence, so 99 defence max boost is 19

[fluid sail]

That’ll be water, no? All that has going for it is a flat 20% at max hp

[tacit oyster]

39% with all the overheal boost nodes

[fluid sail]

Confirmed it scales past 100%? That changes things

[tacit oyster]

yes, it scales from over heal too

[edgy lava]

You've made a good point however, is the nodes from the tree that gives defense levels a boost or is it giving you that many more base levels

Depending on that it would mean that earth spells give nothing because it's already way past the limit

[sinful swallow]

even if that was the case with all nodes you only reach 160

[tacit oyster]

i just checked and +5/+15 defence lvl pacts do count as base defence so can get higher boost than 19

The earth regeneration talent considers your base defence as level + pacts. So if you're at 149/99 defence you can go to 178/99 defence

[sinful swallow]

160 plus the earth cast is roughly what 180 then a super def youll break just over 200

[fluid sail]

I always wanted to cosplay as toph in OSRS

[edgy lava]

So then you'd cap out at like 14 flat damage a cast for earth spells which isn't honestly that bad

Well, +14 flat damage I mean

Which is about less than half what fire damage could be but it's more consistent

[sinful swallow]

i think you could get to 20

[edgy lava]

Where

[sinful swallow]

which if your going kourend for devils element and planning olm thats 40 dmg right thier

[edgy lava]

I'm focusing on damage without gear first

You'd easily get to like 50-60+ damage a hit with magic gear using earth surge and that's my low estimate

[sinful swallow]

the dmg isnt based off base def

[edgy lava]

I've been talking about the earth pacts

The one thing that is based off defense levels

[sinful swallow]

i know im saying with a super def every def node and casting earth for def buff you could get about 20 flat dmg

thats befor gear

[edgy lava]

Every defense node, the earth pacts and potions stack?

Normally boosts don't stack

[sinful swallow]

tru unsure if casting earth def buff will stack with potion buff

fair

[edgy lava]

I wasnt counting potions because I'd assume they don't stack

And I'm not totally convinced that the earth pact boost will stack with the defense level pact boost

[tacit oyster]

i think earth spells would be slightly above fire in consistent dps against single target. fire could reach slightly higher dps if you are constantly over healed for the burn but hard to get demonic pact healing for fire/blood spells

[fluid sail]

Anyone cooked up a prayer air build yet?

[edgy lava]

Prayer air build sounds like ass to build

[fluid sail]

Yes but what is ass air, but a fart

[edgy lava]

There's not much you can do to upkeep your prayer to max out your damage

[tacit oyster]

some people did show air + crossbow with high prayer bonus and this

[fluid sail]

Deadly in its own right

[tacit oyster]

2 almost guaranteed max hit styles would be +25% damage always

[edgy lava]

Imagine it didn't have that "different style" part, crossbows would be insane

[fluid sail]

That’s why that’s there haha

[edgy lava]

I can see it now, max melee strength gear with a zaryte crossbow being one of the most popular builds (edit I read it wrong)

[tacit oyster]

melee str wont help zaryte since it is not throwing weapon, but people like to run tank crossbow i guess

[edgy lava]

Actually

It is

[tacit oyster]

+5 melee str and +5 range str from off-hand?

[edgy lava]

No I was talking about the one that's an axe symbol

That's just going to be a blowpipe pact for sure

[tacit oyster]

bp and 1 handed throwing weapons yeah. dragon knives with off-hand can be good since +8-9 ranged str from the off hand pact when converting melee str to ranged

[edgy lava]

It wouldn't be 10

[tacit oyster]

yeah 8-9

[lapis flax]

its per 12 def level not per def level, im assuming you know that just thought i should point it out

[edgy lava]

Yes it's still a lot

[lapis flax]

for sure

just making sure you arent thinking you are gonna get +200 dmg per hit or somehting

[edgy lava]

Imagine they screw up that bad

Doing a rollback on a league would be wild

[tacit oyster]

gridmaster you could bug last stand to not rapidly decay

[lapis flax]

i mean they would just alter the pact if it somehow ended up working incorrectly but im sure theyve already tested cases like that to make sure it functions as intended

[tacit oyster]

255 boost draining at normal speed

[woeful spruce]

hello trying to find the info that was posted about how specific league mechanics work ei combo runes working and stuff like that. where is the actuall post?

[lapis flax]

yeah there was that one

[lapis flax]

in the leagues discord under the "jagex information" section

[edgy lava]

I just need to know if the defense gain on generated earth runes stacks with the pacts that boost defense levels or would those pacts make that particular earth pact worthless once you hit +20 defense levels

[lapis flax]

im sure theres some info on the wiki too

[tacit oyster]

#1163395763146068008 message leagues discord

[woeful spruce]

@lapis flax wait so not in this discord?

[tacit oyster]

there is also invite link in #affiliate-communities

[copper gorge]

I want to also like make sure you guys all understand 40 pacts is going to be semi difficult to get

[woeful spruce]

i thought this was the leagues discord

[edgy lava]

For who

[copper gorge]

The sheer number of things you have to get/do.

[edgy lava]

Not for me

[woeful spruce]

you guys are legends ty

[lapis flax]

its not going to be fast, ive already looked at my 11/28/40 point builds since ive looked at the tasks and those are the breakpoints ill likely go through

its a good idea to look at the tasks in your areas and look at what youll be able to do at what points and plan for that

cause obviously the tougher stuff you can save for later on but also you wont have all your regions right away so youll be semi gated from that too

[copper gorge]

Pretend you take this build doesnt have to be me but just pretend for a second you go elf-mory-fremmy

[lapis flax]

you can pretty easily get the first 11 points to help you do the first couple echo bosses from what ive looked at tho

[edgy lava]

You're so right for doing that, I can easily see a bunch of people getting ahead of themselves and picking pacts that won't help them in the early game and they get stuck on an uphill battle trying to round out their build

[lapis flax]

thats literally what im planning on lmao

[copper gorge]

Same 🙂

[lapis flax]

twinning

[edgy lava]

You know, you could make a build that only works in the early game, beat an echo boss to respec then make a mid game build, beat another echo boss for a respec then make your late game build

[tacit oyster]

for my plan it would be 7 to melee at start then branch into range for echo hit buffs and throwing weapon to run atlatl until 25+ points and swap to actual build

[lapis flax]

i made a spread sheet and marked all the tasks im going for to get to 11 then 28 then 40 and also made builds that build up to my ideal from 0, shouldnt be too difficult but it will definitely take a bit of time

[edgy lava]

Isn't there one that lets echo hits generate echo hits?

[lapis flax]

kinda what im going for

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-150-157-161-2-4-43-73-74-83-86

this was my 11 pointer for amox echo and hunnelif echo

[copper gorge]

But mory pacts: 25 tob completions, phosani nightmare, full barrows set gunna take some time... Not to mention wanting to get nox hally.
Elf:
Craft bp, equip dark bow, equip corrupted weapon
Fremmy: equip mahus ring, defeat vork 5 times without special damage

Avernic treads, wave 12 colosseum

[lapis flax]

im planning tirannwn as my first area cause yeah easier pact tasks, then mory after then fremm.

full barrows wont take long with 5x basically a piece every other chest

could get unlucky tho

but mory also has stuff like

kill a werewolf and assemble a slayer helm

which are both fairly trivial tho the slayer points will take a bit to unlkock slayer helm

since you likely wont have t6 yet

[tacit oyster]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-11-157-161-17-18-19-2-22-25-3-32-33-34-4-43-5-74-8-83-86 i was thinkin something like this and maybe do full blindbag if i get enough good weapons before respec time

[lapis flax]

mmm, idk about 21 points

Defeat a Hill Giant
Complete the Leagues Tutorial
Open the Leagues Menu
Reach Combat Level 50
Use the Protect from Melee Prayer
1 Hueycoatl Kill
Defeat a Steel Dragon on Karamja
Defeat a TzHaar
Equip a Fire Cape
Kill a Black Dragon in Tirannwn
Defeat Zalcano
Defeat a Werewolf in Morytania

these were my tasks im thinking of doing to get my first 11, which should help me do the next set to bring me to 28

[lapis flax]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-12-150-151-152-153-154-155-156-157-161-18-19-2-3-4-43-5-6-73-74-8-80-83-86-9-99

my 28 point tree looks more like this, flesh out the melee side mostly

[tacit oyster]

if you remove the atlatl parts the meele start is 11 points

[lapis flax]

true

i just thought the extra blindbag chance was worth more than the never miss echo and 20% more max hit echo ones

also

on that one you havent even taken blindbag yet

[tacit oyster]

i just dont see myself getting multiple decent heavy weapons early

[lapis flax]

so you wont get any of those triggers only the melee echos