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#leagues-general
smoky raft
plain pasture
ive done every combat style every league so far, 3-5 accs per league.
but this time round im gonna start with range
smoky raft
I'm gonna build a pillow fort and throw rocks at people
wary egret
I’ve only ever done melee builds
plain pasture
maybe i jump to melee once a good strat is released couple weeks in idlk
wary egret
Time to rebrand
languid mauve
I'm gonna build a pillow fort and throw rocks at people
we can make a pillow castle and throw rocks down and laugh
plain pasture
but looking at pacts, ranged outshadows anything (even shadow) ironically
wary egret
If I go zeah Asg mory then is mage or range build better? I’d think range
plain pasture
asgarnia is bis range
asgarnia also bis melee
kourend bis range/mage, melee not so much
short sphinx
mory is bis melee i thought
plain pasture
mory bis melee/also meme pick for anystyle
mory is arguably worst pick for any style, depending entirely on echo item
mory was for scythe, but thats any area
and any other area has more str bonus than mory
tacit oyster
maybe i jump to melee once a good strat is released couple weeks in idlk
good melee build 5 dharok axes in bag for blind bag, wear full dharok armor at 1hp without any healing pact and use fast 2 handed heavy weapon to gamble for 200+ damage dharok hits from blind bag 
short sphinx
i want the nox hali thooooooo
languid mauve
i love tob
wary egret
Harm staff won’t be bis mage?
languid mauve
i love wildy/tob
short sphinx
this too
plain pasture
good melee build 5 dharok axes in bag for blind bag, wear full dharok armor at 1...
potential for melee, niche for sure.
languid mauve
Harm staff won’t be bis mage?
it really depends on what speed ticks mage casting is put at
plain pasture
there is a couple of variables depending on echo item tats
languid mauve
if they're all the same speed, then harm wont be top
lapis bobcat
magic defaults to 5, and the pact lowers it by 2
plain pasture
but for range your bis areas are > asgarnia/kourend then between desert or frem
lapis bobcat
so harm would get you 2 tick elemental spells
languid mauve
for example. staff of the dead with it's envom, would technically be better if it casts at two tick like harm should
plain pasture
frem is mandatory pick IF battlehat is hybrid stats
wary egret
it really depends on what speed ticks mage casting is put at
Wym? Doesn’t harm decrease standard spells by 1 tick?
lapis bobcat
yes
languid mauve
Wym? Doesn’t harm decrease standard spells by 1 tick?
right, but this is leagues, usually things like that end up going down to the same attack speed
if it's only 2 tick spell weapon, then yes it'll be top, if it's not, then no
lapis bobcat
doesn't seem like this league is following the previous trends
plain pasture
for example, if battlehat is lets say 15 melee str, 15 ranged str.
then you have 15 range str (most range str any area), plus 80% of that 15 melee str additional for thown items
languid mauve
so assuming harmonized staff is only 2 tick staff, then you would want to grind phosani nightmare for it
lapis bobcat
most powered staves go to 1 tick, and spells without harm go to 3 tick with the pact
smoky raft
magic defaults to 5, and the pact lowers it by 2
the pact lowers it to a floor of 2; have they revealed for sure that the pact itself will lower speed by 2?
plain pasture
like if ur pickign areas for purely bis, you gotta look at str bonus per area
languid mauve
the pact lowers it to a floor of 2; have they revealed for sure that the pact it...
no sadly
just that "2 is lowest"
wary egret
if it's only 2 tick spell weapon, then yes it'll be top, if it's not, then no
How would it be 2 tick? It’s 5 by default
lapis bobcat
I mean, the pact says: "Attack rate with combat spells in a spellbook is sped up by 2 ticks"
languid mauve
How would it be 2 tick? It’s 5 by default
for harm? it's 4 tick by default
lapis bobcat
seems pretty clear to me
languid mauve
and bumped faster on standard spells
vast patrol
Do we know how thorns defines an attack? IE do boss fight mechanics count?
languid mauve
Thorns doesn't roll accuracy, and there are nodes in the pacts that assist thorns meaning they always hit
when someone hits you, you can double hit with thorns
wary egret
for harm? it's 4 tick by default
No SotD
plain pasture
thing is rn, we dont know the stats of echo items.
for all weknow they could be bis over megarares
plain pasture
changing the dynamic for mage/melee
languid mauve
if you're looking at wiki it's referring to melee speed
lapis bobcat
SotD will cast spells at 3 ticks, if you take the pact to speed up spell casts
vast patrol
Thorns doesn't roll accuracy, and there are nodes in the pacts that assist thorn...
Right, I more meant if there's a mechanic where you are supposed to move to avoid damage, does that count as an attack that thorns would redirect at the boss?
smoky raft
I mean, the pact says: "Attack rate with combat spells in a spellbook is sped up...
Was that updated? The wiki still uses the # placeholder that it had when first revealed
plain pasture
shadow for mage will be bis overall (unless mage echo items are broken)
languid mauve
SotD will cast spells at 3 ticks, if you take the pact to speed up spell casts
this is what we were trying to figure out if harm will go faster, or all go faster down to same speed cap
languid mauve
Was that updated? The wiki still uses the # placeholder that it had when first r...
no the # is because it changes based on item being used
plain pasture
i have some hope for the new mage trident alongside devils for elemental
languid mauve
same
smoky raft
they've been using # as a placeholder for unrevealed numbers idk what to tell you
languid mauve
we will know in 2 days
smoky raft
the final earth pact said it added 1 flat damage per # def levels
That # was revealed to be 12 today
languid mauve
full echo item details released on 10th with Scritic
plain pasture
i ran the dps on all builds, and range came out 50% higherthan melee/mage in almost ever instance
languid mauve
the final earth pact said it added 1 flat damage per # def levels
That # was re...
really?
smoky raft
allegedly
plain pasture
only variable is echo items, which could affect it massively
smoky raft
I'm not in the leagues discord lmao
plain pasture
the only thign im worried about is bankers note
languid mauve
having 180 hp, 2 tick spell casting and healing 60% of my daamge dealt
seems too good to be true
plain pasture
i really dont wanna be losing bankers note
smoky raft
I think we'd be fine without it tbh
plain pasture
bankers note was god tier
smoky raft
It was very good in the previous leagues but it was never a necessity
languid mauve
i think we will be fine without bankers note or total recall
plain pasture
we'll be fine without, but i really want it lul
tacit oyster
seems too good to be true
you can add basically all thorns pact on top of that if you want
plain pasture
minion banking is god tier in this one
languid mauve
you can add basically all thorns pact on top of that if you want <:kekw:99790757...
i know, some of them seem ridiculous, min hit 3, reflects/thorns double hit? okayyyyyy
plain pasture
goading pots + minion and healing aspect means 30 mins afk combat
well, 5 mins per 1 click
tacit oyster
smoky raft
does minion bank? I thought it just noted
plain pasture
minion damage is 300-600 per minute
copper gorge
Just noted
languid mauve
minion will pick up items for y ou
copper gorge
minion will pick up items for y ou
Dont know if thats a good thing
plain pasture
so you could effectively go full 1 style pacts, and minion will damage raid npc opff style
languid mauve
Dont know if thats a good thing
i'm not sure why they did that either
but it says u can choose what it picks up and the value of items it picks up
smoky raft
minion damage is 300-600 per minute
isn't its max hit only 20 every 5 ticks or something
languid mauve
and other customizable options
lapis bobcat
you can configure if the minion notes items
languid mauve
isn't its max hit only 20 every 5 ticks or something
no the speed was buffed
plain pasture
its 3 tick attack speed, maxhit 3-20 once charged with zam items
languid mauve
1.8 second base attack speed
lapis bobcat
makes you wonder what the 3rd t* relic is gonna be
copper gorge
Im going hopefully relic 3
languid mauve
3rd relic has to be completely epic
plain pasture
slaying*
languid mauve
to compete against the other 2
wicked mountain
fulltank + minion sounds good
copper gorge
And hopefully other t6 and t7 relics
languid mauve
fulltank + minion sounds good
just afk in corner and watch youtube while minion murders everything. sad thing is
it wont work that way
plain pasture
if 3rd relic isnt a robot doll that blows u, auto banks, unlimited spec and gives u dragon cup free.
then minion is only t8 choice tbh
wicked mountain
"Auto retaliate"
plain pasture
flask is possibly the worst t8 relic ive ever seen, massively disappointed in that one
plain pasture
the cooldown is beyond insanity
languid mauve
then pick it
wary egret
3rd t8 is 15 more pact points. Would you take it?
languid mauve
the cooldown is beyond insanity
well technically if ur using strong weapons like we will have, u wont even spend 45 seconds on cooldown
plain pasture
3rd t8 is 15 more pact points. Would you take it?
no, ill stick with my god range build
languid mauve
if u do the math on it u will see
remember the crossbow damage talk earlier?
it's instance of 10 damage,, reduces it by 1 tick
plain pasture
remember the crossbow damage talk earlier?
yes, but minion still beats tbh
languid mauve
so hitting a 200 is 20 ticks
wicked mountain
ye the cd isnt actually that high with how cracked dmg is. for example with blindbag
plain pasture
if flask gave u ovl stats then maybe just maybe
rustic prism
minion damage is 300-600 per minute
Minion damage is between 0-infinity. Its average 6.38 dps which is like a 20% damage boost from what a dps calc says end game gears+pacts will be
plain pasture
Minion damage is between 0-infinity. Its average 6.38 dps which is like a 20% da...
it does have a minimum hit
languid mauve
we should all learn time travel
languid mauve
so 100 min to 600ish max
it also said it never misses i think
languid mauve
so never below a 3 at 1.8 seconds how much dps is that
plain pasture
45k accuracy roll
languid mauve
3 only 1.8 sec
smoky raft
it can, technically, miss
languid mauve
i thought i read it never misses
plain pasture
so basically 6 shadows stacked together in terms of accuracy
languid mauve
so like a splash?
smoky raft
missing =/= hitting a 0
plain pasture
45k vs whatever thye def is of npc
languid mauve
well if my minion misses even once i'm going to sell him
plain pasture
0.0000001% chance it misses
unless ur on levi enrage. then ofc its gonna hit 3 when u need 4
and gg u
ornate frost
If the 45k is a flat accuracy roll it will hit most things 100% of the time
languid mauve
hmm
plain pasture
yeh its basically like firing 6 shadows and chancing that one will miss
ornate frost
Since not many things have above 45k defense roll in all 3 styles
plain pasture
(which rarely happens in leagues)
it also automatically uses the weakness of any npc
languid mauve
i might go hotfoot but sitll not 100%
plain pasture
forager is bis t2
languid mauve
why though
languid mauve
i can fish cook my own supplies
plain pasture
pots without auto process invo is aids
vagrant acorn
forager more like borager, coz its boring
winged trench
What seems to be an OP build?
smoky raft
what pots are you actually going to use though
languid mauve
i wont need pots for magic
plain pasture
your gonan use a shit ton of prayer/boosts
languid mauve
u need 86+ herblore for useful magic pots
plain pasture
i mean if u go mage potentially no need
languid mauve
by that time i can just get a heart
rustic prism
What seems to be an OP build?
Ranged still looks the strongest idk if anything is broken yet
plain pasture
but still prayer pots be an issue
languid mauve
not exactly
plain pasture
unless u go kandarin, and afk mokeys with minion
languid mauve
remember the passive node
winged trench
Ranged still looks the strongest idk if anything is broken yet
Bow route?
ornate frost
Ranged still looks the strongest idk if anything is broken yet
Someone said 290 dps blowpipe
Ranged might win again
smoky raft
there's plenty of prayer sustain for all styles
even just the one pact that gives +2 prayer on a blocked hit is enough to sustain overheads with no prayer bonus
languid mauve
plain pasture
ranged already won (unless echo items are broken for melee/mage)
smoky raft
yeah that
smoky raft
I remain skeptical of anything raggerman says
languid mauve
and heal
rustic prism
Yeah i didnt consider combat stats on the echo weapons for melee
plain pasture
this only really work is ur wearing a 2h hield or offhand though
languid mauve
most echo items are broken
plain pasture
if ur wearing shadow u gotta switch to bulwark every hit?:p
languid mauve
anything not a shield in offhand
is an offhand weapon
so mages book or other items
for mage
plain pasture
is that confirmed, because it doesnt say that haha
an off hand is technically a singular item held off hand
smoky raft
I plan to eventually use a spirit shield but before that a dragon sq will do just fine
plain pasture
book/shield/mages book etc
languid mauve
languid mauve
right but a shield is a shield, which is why only 1 item can be a 2 handed shield
plain pasture
mmmm idk
languid mauve
my entire build has nothing to do with shadow
plain pasture
i think they mighta designed that round bulwark idk
languid mauve
remember i'm not going pwoer staff build
plain pasture
i see urgoing spells?
languid mauve
yea
plain pasture
devils would suite that then i suppose
copper gorge
Whats your mage build gunna be?
plain pasture
might go ham
languid mauve
smoky raft
vs shadowwith almost 2x dps
I'll take the guaranteed 15 damage every other tick on top of normal spell damage from earth spells, thank you very much
copper gorge
Can i see the tree?
edgy lava
bro that guerenteed echo hit from melee weapons that weigh under 1kg sounds rediculous, the abyssal whip/tenticle is going to go insane
languid mauve
Whats your mage build gunna be?
smoky raft
again I am very skeptical that you ran the math for every build as you said
languid mauve
33/40 points btw
smoky raft
activity rank
plain pasture
ahhh
copper gorge
Interesting
languid mauve
sheep has that rune scim into r2h combo
smoky raft
I like to call this one the "subway map"
plain pasture
that range build isbis dps, overall with current information released.
languid mauve
I like to call this one the "subway map"
actually looks like one too
smoky raft
bro got the 
plain pasture
if echos change it, then other routes may out dps. but as it stands rn. zcb with them pacts is bis dps overall.
languid mauve
you have so many wasted points
in your build
u cannot go crossbow/thrown and every style that would be a waste
smoky raft
no no no it's "bis dps" you see
smoky raft
also what the FUCK do you need 90% prayer pen for holy shit
I mean if you really wanna fuck up akkha
languid mauve
he tryna get real deep into enemy prayer
lapis bobcat
the super pvp troll build?
languid mauve
muspah has no protection
lapis bobcat
just wipe out any rival wildy picker in 1 shot
smoky raft
Honestly if they survive the my bind then they deserve to kill me
wary egret
muspah has no protection
Riddled with stds
edgy lava
@languid mauve are there not attack speed pacts?
lapis bobcat
there are a few
edgy lava
where is it?
languid mauve
for mage?
edgy lava
either or
lapis bobcat
magic has 2, one for regular spells and 1 for powered staves
languid mauve
next to ice spells are water spells
lapis bobcat
the ranged one increases speed for bows
it's left of the crossbows being slower but doing more damage
edgy lava
next to ice spells are water spells
call me stupid but can you take a screenshot of it for me?
lapis bobcat
and the melee one has a picture of a whip, and it increases the speed of weapons that weigh below 1kg
edgy lava
oh the one that makes it so attacks cant go below 2t?
languid mauve
call me stupid but can you take a screenshot of it for me?
edgy lava
yeah i found it right after asking
languid mauve
there is also a search bar
you can search anything and it will only highlight the nodes with that thing u searchged
edgy lava
bet
plain pasture
also what the FUCK do you need 90% prayer pen for holy shit
just for QOL really, nothign else ranged to be had
could switch it out for somethign else i suppose but id rathergo full range rambo
plain pasture
also loses 8 base maxhits
languid mauve
could switch it out for somethign else i suppose but id rathergo full range ramb...
i know, and also hope that it's not final, but u are wasting a lot of points in the picture u posted lol
edgy lava
(just first thing that came to mind)
plain pasture
i know, and also hope that it's not final, but u are wasting a lot of points in ...
i wont be going melee/mage if i range focus as the dps will beat anything else
languid mauve
(just first thing that came to mind)
1 tick trident would be broken even with -8 max hit, that would be countered by all the magic bonus %
plain pasture
(unless echos op)
languid mauve
Also sang staff from Tob
languid mauve
i wont be going melee/mage if i range focus as the dps will beat anything else
u should go 2 styles from the same tree though thats counterproductive
u might asll well use points on passives like more defense
if ur gonna waste poitns
edgy lava
1 tick trident would be broken even with -8 max hit, that would be countered by ...
true
plain pasture
u should go 2 styles from the same tree though thats counterproductive
potential, but i wanted max dps
ill look into it finally for my decision, but for best dps in game, thats the route
pearl sapphire
Boys if we dont take culling spree and take morytania what other region do we need to imbue slayer helm
plain pasture
Boys if we dont take culling spree and take morytania what other region do we ne...
kandarin > nmz
languid mauve
Boys if we dont take culling spree and take morytania what other region do we ne...
u could also just not take culling spree and get a slay helm naturally and imbue
remember, they don't stack, and culling spree already gives u slay helm damage %
just not imbued
plain pasture
u could also just not take culling spree and get a slay helm naturally and imbue
ngl mory is just a wasted area for any style, unlesssome kind of nich dharoks build
niche*
pearl sapphire
u could also just not take culling spree and get a slay helm naturally and imbue
thats sort of what i asked
plain pasture
every other area beats mory with exception of potential echo boss
languid mauve
thats sort of what i asked
i'm sorry i misread, yeah u can just not take culling spree, and get a slayer helm naturally
pearl sapphire
just not imbued
slayer helm benefit from culling spree is imbued btw
languid mauve
I'm not 100% on this, but i think the horrors are part of karamaja?'
lapis bobcat
cuz soul wars isn't an option
smoky raft
ill look into it finally for my decision, but for best dps in game, thats the ro...
you keep referring to this as the best lmao
since you apparently know the DPS of all builds, what's mine gonna be?
languid mauve
slayer helm benefit from culling spree is imbued btw
did jmods confirm this? because post doesn't
plain pasture
use the calc in top corner itwill get you dps
lapis bobcat
I mean, the announcement page says "Slayer helm (i)"
plain pasture
or calc your min> max hit averaged out then times by hits per minute
languid mauve
i read it this morning it said slayer helm. no I
plain pasture
as it stands i believeculling is best for that tier
lapis bobcat
grimoire is pretty strong for any melee builds that don't want to take kandarin
plain pasture
ofc i base my statements on dps/usability vs maxing.
lapis bobcat
piety is strong
plain pasture
if ur goal is not dps/use and instead maxing, things change
languid mauve
if that last relic is bad, i'll go grimoir
plain pasture
if that last relic is bad, i'll go grimoir
slayer has huge benefits though
loot alone beats anythign piety increases
larrans/brimstone
smoky raft
yeahhhhhh idk how to tell you this but the DPS calc doesn't take pacts into account yet
smoky raft
Unless I'm really missing something lmao
languid mauve
brimstone are useless
plain pasture
yeahhhhhh idk how to tell you this but the DPS calc doesn't take pacts into acco...
yeh, work out your min/max hits then average it to calc ur dps
copper gorge
woah so they updated it
No its been like that from beginning mate
languid mauve
No its been like that from beginning mate
i looked this morning around 8am it wasn't like that
ohhh wait... i didn't look at main site
i was using the one the mods here posted
plain pasture
brimstone are useless
brimstone proviude insane amounts of suppliees allowing u to pick abundance over gathering relics.
languid mauve
no supplies that i need though
plain pasture
speeding up your combat progress, again though this is assuming ur goal isnt to max
languid mauve
only thing i would need/use from slayer relic is the 50% chance to respawn the greater slayer monster
for a chance at heaert
plain pasture
i always assume people goal isnt to max when it comes to it due to how useless max is vs the time to obtain
if ur goal is maxing etc, than my statements dont apply to u xd
smoky raft
yeh, work out your min/max hits then average it to calc ur dps
I don't mean to insult but I'm not about to trust a stranger's mental math and "trust me bro"
Like I'm sure your build will do good but I don't think you can say it's the best
plain pasture
I don't mean to insult but I'm not about to trust a stranger's mental math and "...
in terms of raw dps it is the best, eating, npc blocking attacks isnt factored obv
like if its vs mage hand olm, it wont beat mage
or if your takign a lot of damage and eating, then auto healing will factor into mage more
and so on
smoky raft
how can you say confidently that it is the best
you didn't know how much dps my build did
plain pasture
because the potential is impossible to beat with current releasedinfo
languid mauve
my experience of playing since 1999 says it'll be out shined by at-least 4 other builds
smoky raft
how do you know my build isn't higher than yours
languid mauve
including mage
plain pasture
because your build works out to approx avg hit of 65
even at 2t that wont beat it xd
65 x3.5 = 227 (7t toal time)
crossbow 7t = guaranteed maxhit of 200+ even without full upgrades.
factor in upgrades and its more along lines of 250-260
languid mauve
i think you're just doing table math and not considering a lot of other factors
plain pasture
so 255 vs 227
plain pasture
i think you're just doing table math and not considering a lot of other factors
yeh no factors such as reduced damage, eating is considered. its purely raw dps
smoky raft
so 255 vs 227
with 179 defense and doubled up flat damage from twinflame?
plain pasture
with 179 defense and doubled up flat damage from twinflame?
defence doesnt affect ur hits i believe
i might be wrong
potent quail
because your build works out to approx avg hit of 65
What build is that?
languid mauve
even raw dps, using water wave with my current pacts, not counting anything other than basic weapons in game like ahrims would out dps ur build
short sphinx
sadly i think reading yalls msg has conviced me. i would like a 1 tick trident
smoky raft
defence doesnt affect ur hits i believe
The last earth pact gives +1 flat damage per 12 def levels
winged trench
What’s your build?
lapis bobcat
1 tick weapons are a fun time
languid mauve
sadly i think reading yalls msg has conviced me. i would like a 1 tick trident
remember, there are respects u can use
plain pasture
The last earth pact gives +1 flat damage per 12 def levels
ok so around 10 extra damage
smoky raft
keep in mind flat damage increases both the min and max hit
short sphinx
remember, there are respects u can use
fair
languid mauve
i think 1 tick has potential, but i'm sticking with my water builfd
plain pasture
keep in mind flat damage increases both the min and max hit
whats ur expectedmin/max hit
languid mauve
im confident in it's ability to sustain game
potent quail
ok so around 10 extra damage
Whats your op build?
lapis bobcat
I doubt 1 tick will be the best setup, but it WILL be fun
depends on what I'm fighting
languid mauve
I doubt 1 tick will be the best setup, but it WILL be fun
hey its all about fun
smoky raft
oh shit break over
languid mauve
ye
potent quail
whats ur expectedmin/max hit
17-40 without any magic strength every 2 ticks
languid mauve
also confliction gauntlets are a thing
plain pasture
<:therotconsumes:1098310401747333231> depends on what I'm fighting
if u can find me ur min/max hit ill run a basic calc for u xd
short sphinx
i think 1 tick has potential, but i'm sticking with my water builfd
i was looking for something like this when i saw the last water pact
lapis bobcat
confliction gauntlets aren't gonna be a quick upgrade
plain pasture
17-40 without any magic strength every 2 ticks
that seems low af, what route is that
lapis bobcat
rng + high crafting reqs
languid mauve
i was looking for something like this when i saw the last water pact
i can share my 33/40 point build if u want. it's meant for survivability and pure damage through dps sustain
potent quail
that seems low af, what route is that
Reddit
short sphinx
yes inspire meeee
winged trench
I’m just gonna get a bowfa and blowpipe and shoot things
short sphinx
lol
plain pasture
to putit simply, the range rambo build is expectedto be 200+ crossbow hits, max hit every hit.
so to beat it with 2 tick weapon youd need an average hit of 70-80 for 2t.
35-40 for 1tick
potent quail
to putit simply, the range rambo build is expectedto be 200+ crossbow hits, max ...
Now i want to see the math on that 200 msx hit
plain pasture
thats average hit, so averaged between ur min/max
plain pasture
Now i want to see the math on that 200 msx hit<:kekw:997907574034792498>
without any additional upgrades onyx dragon/onyx bolts would hit mid 130s purely off the 70% boost to crossbows.
thats accounting for no other pacts, and current base game range str.
not for any of additionals from pacts/echo
potent quail
without any additional upgrades onyx dragon/onyx bolts would hit mid 130s purely...
Without the 70% boost the max hit is 76?
Is that realistic?
plain pasture
factor in pacts, damage from other sources and its well into the 200s max hit, and the always maxhit means youll always hit (is the description iscorrect)
plain pasture
Without the 70% boost the max hit is 76?
Is that realistic?
well yeh the maxhit effect means youll always hit ur maxhit
potent quail
I dpnt think you can increase it much past 130 becuase all other %damage will be additive
potent quail
I know not talking about that
plain pasture
i did just cloe down my pacts list
but theres thing such as increased range %, additional when wearing shield etc
potent quail
The base max hit is 76
We multiply that with ALL % damage added together
With 70% thats 130
plain pasture
no the 70% is just from 1 pact with crossbows
potent quail
but theres thing such as increased range %, additional when wearing shield etc
Cant wear a shield witv heavy crossbow
plain pasture
it doesnt account for everything else
potent quail
it doesnt account for everything else
I say 150 max hit atmost
But we also add the raging echo attack on top of it
Still insane btw
plain pasture
Cant wear a shield witv heavy crossbow
forgive me if im braindead but u can wear shield with zcb right?
potent quail
The raging echo attack should also have a max hit of 150
Oresumably
But is a roll
So on average 75 damage IF IT trigger
plain pasture
i also didnt factor echoes for range, that was purely base damage
potent quail
forgive me if im braindead but u can wear shield with zcb right?
You have 76 max hit with zcb 
I assumef that was heavy ballista
plain pasture
echoes is % factor
potent quail
Echoes is its own extra attack
plain pasture
i just counted guaranteeds, rather than % based
potent quail
Ah you mean chance
plain pasture
35% on echo 100% of the time
so u always have a 35% chance for echo due to 100%+ on regen ammo
but i didnt include that either, so that would increase further
potent quail
The wiki says highest max hit possible is 111 using ruby bolts
Doesnt have one for onyx bolts sadly
lapis bobcat
ruby bolts are capped
potent quail
I know
lapis bobcat
and there's no guarantee for a bolt spec proc
plain pasture
theres them aspects which is huge.
potent quail
I know
I want the max hit WITHOUT any pacts
Then we can calc the max hit with pacts
plain pasture
so buckler gets u additional 5 ranged str, 10% base boost to range, and rigour will be 305 more.
lapis bobcat
highest I could get in a dps calc was 66 with gear from 3 regions
languid mauve
lapis bobcat
I don't know where this 76 is coming from
potent quail
highest I could get in a dps calc was 66 with gear from 3 regions
using onyx bolts?
plain pasture
yeh im not counting bolt procs
lapis bobcat
the pact perks don't mention bolt specs
plain pasture
anything % based ill apply after/not at all
plain pasture
but also, does the ''ranged prayers are 30% more effective'' mean 30% of the 25%, or 25% > 55%?
potent quail
Rigour is base 23% range strength
With the pact thats 30% range strength instead
plain pasture
knowing jagex id assume 30% of 25%
lapis bobcat
"30% more effective"
plain pasture
23*
lapis bobcat
who knows how that applies
potent quail
So that add like 5 to the max hit
plain pasture
jagex usually go with the lesser of the 2 possibilities
plain pasture
So that add like 5 to the max hit
not at all, % scales off base damage. depends how its calculated after everythign or before.
the minimum hit i come to without assuming bis gear from 3 areas was 198
which is why i said200+, as with extra it will most probably be mid 250s
depending how scalin works
potent quail
So 71 with the range strength from the pact lets add 2 more so 73
Then all the damage % added up
70% + 10% =80% damage increase
So 73*1,8 =131,4 max hit
glass skiff
planning the pacts feels like it is going to be hell
plain pasture
lets say you get 70% with crossbows, then ur final amount is 10% from 10%flat boost
potent quail
potent quail
I do t know
Still may hit 132 every 7 ticks with almost 100% accuracy
Is broken
- ranging echo chance
plain pasture
battlehat/masori build with slay helm effect vs void build with slay helm effect
potent quail
Like this builf is strong
plain pasture
with 35% chance of echo, its well into late 200s
languid mauve
if ur using node to increase damage, and slow crossbow speed, onyx will not help u
plain pasture
(100% of the time)
plain pasture
if ur using node to increase damage, and slow crossbow speed, onyx will not help...
how so
potent quail
25% of damage dealt
Btw new build dropped a while ago
Sunlight hunter crossbow 3 tick
Do not take the +2 tick skill but do take the mastery
Its insane damage thats also fast
potent quail
And circumvents overkill problem a bit
plain pasture
experience
i dont understand u
lapis bobcat
would you get to mastery through bows or thrown for that build?
plain pasture
onyx proc heals u no matter what doesnt it if itprocs
potent quail
Bolts freaking never trigger
plain pasture
Bolts freaking never trigger<:kekw:997907574034792498>
oh they do l0l
i rem nex in echoes. had to turn sounds off due to 24.7 onyx noise
languid mauve
because they were attacking significantly faster
if you use a 7 tick crossbow, u will die before u outheal most bosses
ripe turtle
People hate my build because they don't understand it
potent quail
Thats why kbd echo weapon
And water Mastery
languid mauve
uh no it doesn't
empty pagoda
You are right, I don't understand.
languid mauve
unless thats a node
plain pasture
kbd echo is also avariable that may improve it further
ripe turtle
You are right, I don't understand.
Yeah i don't either
potent quail
yeh, but also proced on like 4 hits sometimes
I am going to sleep but if you want you can calc the 3 tick max hit always sunlight hunter crossbow build
Dont know the dps here but has crazy potential
plain pasture
I am going to sleep but if you want you can calc the 3 tick max hit always sunli...
ill check that out tommorow, im about to sleep myself
can udm me it
ripe turtle
People hate my build because they don't understand it
real talk tho is there a worse build than this?
I tried to think of one and couldn't
languid mauve
his build lol
ripe turtle
using all 40 points
lapis bobcat
I mean, go an all in max build, then don't use the style?
ripe turtle
Nah thats lame
lapis bobcat
but if you mean unusable
ripe turtle
still theoretically a good build
like
half of the perks i took in that one are just unusable
lapis bobcat
you could still do a shadow spell run this that build
ripe turtle
The only good thing is u get +90% prayer penetration and ranged strength dharoks
ripe turtle
wait a sec
no no no i can swap shadow spell perk for uhh
the thrown weapons having ranged echos have a max hit chance
because u cant get ranged echoes
lapis bobcat
you could cycle around and grab the other prayer pierce nodes
REALLY pierce through those prayers
ripe turtle
v2
empty pagoda
I can't seem to post images here.
lapis bobcat
you could grab 1 more prayer penetration node 1 north of the north overheal node
ripe turtle
you could grab 1 more prayer penetration node 1 north of the north overheal node
What do i sacrifice for it tho?
lapis bobcat
I must be missing something
inner zenith
Am i been stupid guys, does this include normall staffs? liek staff of air?
ripe turtle
mine is 40/40 rn
inner zenith
i cant link image, but the mage rune regen one
ripe turtle
promise
inner zenith
oes it work with normal staff of air/water etc
lapis bobcat
pretty sure the game still calcs if you were gonna use a rune, and makes it whether you had the staff or not
really not sure though
ripe turtle
It should yes
lapis bobcat
no CLEAR message has come out about how regen mechanics work
empty pagoda
I can't post my build idea, but the base concept is that I'm going to stab things from what will feel like ranged and magic distances using a halberd.
empty pagoda
And also stab things with the 28 weapons in my inventory hopefully.
lapis bobcat
pretty sure blindbag caps at 5 weapons? hard to say though
empty pagoda
Two of the pacts do specify 5 weapons, but the base one does not.
lapis bobcat
would you want more than 5?
empty pagoda
It could be hilarious and instantly nuke a boss or two.
lapis bobcat
just a bigger roulette wheel, I suppose
empty pagoda
That said statistically, it's pretty unlikely to trigger more then twice for a given attack anyways.
lapis bobcat
15% chances triggering off each other is long odds to nuke a boss
COULD happen
great for a montage video
tough finch
Blind bag is just echoes but reskinned and lets you proc big weapon hits from ideally smaller, faster hits
lapis bobcat
echoes, but you choose what does the hitting
empty pagoda
that said I think the 'hit things from a mile away' using a halberd part of my build idea has merit.
tough finch
Like using dual macs to smack with a series of scythes etc will be funny but I have a hard time wanting to pick it because its so close to echoes
tough finch
Not necessarily the dual macs but you get the idea
I wish there was more support for the sub 1kg category
Echo dagger better be fucking nuts
lapis bobcat
echo dagger with devil's element could be fun
gets down to 2 tick attack speed, if it's under 1kg in weight
which it SHOULD be, being a dagger and all
ripe turtle
MUCH better
literally the only thing you get out of this build is accuracy and runes lol
empty pagoda
Honestly I don't know a heck of a lot about OSRS despite playing for years. I just wanna stab things from very far away and this League enables that.
lapis bobcat
that's what leagues is for
powering through the grind and doing fun and silly stuff
ripe turtle
lotta regen in there
No perks that actually give u any healing tho lol
So those are just wasted points
lapis bobcat
earth spells still lower enemy magic defence
makes you a utility build for raids
any way to lose that one?
ripe turtle
any way to lose that one?
would force u to get a perk that heals you making all the defense actually useful
lapis bobcat
dang
ripe turtle
I mean
2 levels isn't that much
and with no attack speed bonuses it'll barely do anything anyways
lapis bobcat
relegated to a support role and bad at everything else is a pretty good outcome for useless build
OH
you could take the halberd mastery perk
without the range perk, it doesn't work
increases all halberd attack speed to 5 ticks, which is meh
ripe turtle
perhaps but that still seems more useful than anything I could get rid of right now tbh
lapis bobcat
well, I tried
tough finch
Any unhinged builds cooked up yet? Funniest one i saw was crossbow mastery but proccing max hits from the shittiest melee weapon possible to swap into cbow amped max hits
empty pagoda
Hmm. I was considering halberd but I just realized that it might be very difficult to get one.
Or rather it would force specific region unlocks.
lapis bobcat
morytania is a pretty good region for melee
or you could try forcing crystal halberd
but that would force Kandarin, Asgarnia, and Tirannwn
which is pretty restricting
toxic vortex
Just Tir and Kand
empty pagoda
Even that is fairly restrictive.
lapis bobcat
I know the wiki doesn't say asgarnia
but is the painting autocompleted?
or the games of pest control?
dragon halberd is an option, I guess...
silent garnet
Or rather it would force specific region unlocks.
PRetty much, you need mory for nox, then prif for crystal, any raid gets you scythe
lapis bobcat
but if you're going halberd build, noxious halberd seems to be the choice
tranquil eagle
Is there no reveal for today?
lapis bobcat
I think today's reveal was OFFICIALLY showing the pact tree?
not sure though
the drop down menu didn't get anything
drowsy flame
More than just showing the tree, confirming where to get the points and confirming respec
drowsy flame
Or rather it would force specific region unlocks.
Mory has the best halberd but it also has a ton of great stuff for other melee builds
Barrows and Theatre drop others if you wanna go blindbag too
empty pagoda
A friend of mine is going Mory and I intend to play alongside them so that might solidify my plans.
empty pagoda
I didn't pick Mory last time and regretted it ultimately.
empty pagoda
Yeah, almost all of their weapons weigh more then 1kg huh.
toxic vortex
Pretty sure they all do
And are all considered 2h
Also not sure but you might be able to claim the barrelchest anchor
empty pagoda
Unleashing the power of all six Barrows Brothers would be pretty hilarious.
toxic vortex
Well, the staff and xbow wouldn't do anything
tranquil tusk
is atlatl considered a crossbow this leagues??? because the other ones say it doesnt work with atlatl but crossbow route doesnt say anything about atlatl
toxic vortex
And all you'd really get is a melee hit out of the others. You wouldn't get their set effect
toxic vortex
is atlatl considered a crossbow this leagues??? because the other ones say it do...
Thrown
Confirmed in the leagues discord
toxic vortex
It's technically classed as a bow in game, but for leagues is being treated as a thrown weapon
toxic vortex
but it says all thrown weapon pacts will not work with atlatl
It says bow pacts will not work
tranquil tusk
idk im looking at the tree and the very first path for thrown weapons says in red that thrown weapon pacts wont work with atlatl...?
toxic vortex
idk im looking at the tree and the very first path for thrown weapons says in re...
I think they also said they need to update the wording on some of them
Ranged 
- Atlatl is considered a thrown weapon not a bow for this league as far as pacts are concerned
- Ballistae count as crossbows for pacts
- The ranged strength bonus from health difference works both directions, either overhealed or low health
- Crossbows can still miss even with the "max hit" node, you still need to actually pass accuracy, that's what the other capstone helps with
- Chinchompas count as thrown weapons and can be thrown at two targets at once with the capstone
(Moved to a separate since no nitro and was running out of characters haha)
This was from Mod Husky earlier
tranquil tusk
okay makes sense well hopefully they update it so i can better figure out my path
languid mauve
The answer was there the entire time
So all combat spells by default are max speed of two ticks
So no math needed
Which means no harm staff needed either
twin folio
What happened with today's reveal?
languid mauve
@short sphinx
languid mauve
What happened with today's reveal?
We got the reveal just no relic
twin folio
I see, thanks
languid mauve
So basically we need to rush attack speed buff which is 7 points then we can finish off the line for the healing orb for 3 more points. First 3-4 hours we will have 2 tick magic casting with insane healing right off the bat barely after we unlock karamja
Oh man this is crazy
minor summit
I am even more overwhelmed on what to choose
I get respec exists but, I don't really want to use any
lapis bobcat
where are you getting the 2 tick from?
languid mauve
where are you getting the 2 tick from?
Node itself
It says it makes all magic casting 2 tick
lapis bobcat
the magic attack speed buff is in the update video, and it says attacks are sped up BY 2 ticks
languid mauve
Right
languid mauve
All magic is casted at 4 ticks besides harm
minor summit
where are you getting the 2 tick from?
Powered staves get buffed by 3 ticks
minor summit
5 minus 3 = 2
lapis bobcat
and powered staves
powered staves are 4, generally
and they get -3
so 1 tick powered staves go brrrr
minor summit
So we are getting 1 tick (-8 max hit) powered stavess. Wtf
toxic vortex
Yup
minor summit
I am going mage tank
languid mauve
Immediately going into powered staves and getting that node would be a death sentence to your build
lapis bobcat
except shadow, which is 2 tick, but no damage debuff
minor summit
Immediately going into powered staves and getting that node would be a death sen...
Wait why?
lapis bobcat
trident of seas, with the node for boosting magic levels with regen runes, would have a max hit of 31 with no prayers
at 109 magic
23 damage max
toxic vortex
Well for one, where are you going to get a powered staff that early on
minor summit
Wait, so if a powered staff get regenerated it counts as the rune that powers that staff regenerating?
lapis bobcat
earliest would MAYBE be the echo grotesque guardians echo wand?
languid mauve
Assuming you arent using ibans staff 75 magic is first powered staff. Which at 75 magic -8 max hit you likely wouldnt even hit 20s
Assuming you arent in bis gear for 75 magic
And not on slay task
U wont have a heart
U wont have herb lvl to make magic boosting pots
U will have this weird and annoying debuff for a long time
short sphinx
so we dont need harm staff?
languid mauve
so we dont need harm staff?
Im dumb we will if we go mory
lapis bobcat
the node for boosting magic level on regen is better than heart at 75 magic
short sphinx
ahhh
minor summit
Assuming you arent using ibans staff 75 magic is first powered staff. Which at 7...
Warped scepter?
languid mauve
But first 2 hours we will be casting faster than harm
toxic vortex
earliest would MAYBE be the echo grotesque guardians echo wand?
It's a one hand staff but yeah
lapis bobcat
warped sceptre does exist
tranquil tusk
Well for one, where are you going to get a powered staff that early on
wildy, get sceptre
minor summit
Yeah lower than 75
short sphinx
im down tbh if i respec it will be into hali so mory is nice
lapis bobcat
that one gets hurt real bad by the -8 max hit though
languid mauve
That would be an even lower max hit
Unless warped has something special?
Ive never used warped sceptre
manic prairie
the magic relic that says spells cant be cast under 2 tick makes me think that an echo weapon casts at faster speeds
languid mauve
But i know all powered staves damage is based on magic lvl
minor summit
Thamm sceptre would go hard in wildy
tranquil tusk
thammaron's sceptre might work
its a powered staff so it will
languid mauve
Wildy yes but keep in mind ur using the items thr moment u hot those levels
tranquil tusk
im taking wildy for the echo crossbow and thammons sceptre
languid mauve
Even at 112 magic without gear u wont be touching 40s
wary egret
does ranged echo damage scale off of anything or static?
languid mauve
But i guess 1 tick anything who goves a crap about damage
manic prairie
what are the odds that thermy echo weapon is a 2 tick magic weapon?
tranquil tusk
Even at 112 magic without gear u wont be touching 40s
you'll still be doing a lot of dps for a 1 tick item
languid mauve
When u go brr
lapis bobcat
no idea what the thermy echo weapon will be
languid mauve
what are the odds that thermy echo weapon is a 2 tick magic weapon?
Unlikely that it casts spells
lapis bobcat
they'll tell us soon
languid mauve
Im certain it has to be a powered staves
minor summit
But i guess 1 tick anything who goves a crap about damage
High speed low damage is fine with me until later game.
minor summit
U dont think it means all 4 elements
Theory is echo items synergize with the pact tree
lapis bobcat
does ranged echo damage scale off of anything or static?
pretty sure echoes use your equipment stats, as if you just made a separate attack
toxic vortex
It would be weird for them to have all of these elemental stuff in the tree without an echo item that goes with it
languid mauve
High speed low damage is fine with me until later game.
Hitting fkn 3s but like a minigun lol
Yea
manic prairie
would be strange for them to have the thermy offhand be decvils element, the main be a 4dent powered staff, and the spell node saying 2 tick is as fast as you can cast
languid mauve
Trident prolly does range damage lmfao
lapis bobcat
i mean, the cerb echo weapon is SUPPOSED to scale with elemental weaknesses
minor summit
Hitting fkn 3s but like a minigun lol
Hey lol I played enough Terraria with the Minishark back in the day. Low damage, but it slapped
manic prairie
currently the only way to even reach 2 ticks is with the harmony nightmare staff
lapis bobcat
you can get a 2 tick shadow, and 1 tick powered staves
manic prairie
but thats not what im saying
im talking about spel book spells
only way to get 2 tick is with harmony orb
lapis bobcat
regular spells, only harm staff and only standard spells
minor summit
Given how we can spec into multiple categories, I am confident the Cerb Dagger has synergy with the devils element
lapis bobcat
cerb dagger build is cheap to get online too
~20 points to get all the light melee nodes
minor summit
Yup
opaque rune
Real shame that half the "[Ancient magic] counts as [Element] spells" pacts don't have any interaction with the associated rune regeneration.
manic prairie
if thermy weapon is an autocast staff with highere speed it would save me 2 nodes
languid mauve
We need to confirm 100% if non shield items count as offhand for mage like books
Or if it means any offhand including shields
languid mauve
Yeah but the wording specifically says off hand
manic prairie
theres your answer
languid mauve
Defenders are off hand items but arent shields
Thats where the confusion is for mage
Is there a way to officially confirm those because it will literally change regions for me if it does or does not include shields
manic prairie
dragonfire stuff is most likley going to be a global unlock
lapis bobcat
which node are you considering?
languid mauve
which node are you considering?
The one about healing when u get hit for 0s let me link it
It does not specify shield or it would just say a 1 or 2 handed shield
You see why im confused?
lapis bobcat
but it could also include any offhand
languid mauve
Is not technically a shield
Its a 2 handed weapon
That is also a shield
Its primary classification is a 2 handed weapon
lapis bobcat
it just feels weird for one side to be "anything in the shield slot" and the other defined term being dinh's bulwark
hollow umbra
I think "two-handed shield" is solely to cover Bulwark
languid mauve
Yea
hollow umbra
it would be silly if Bulwark didn't qualify for shield related pacts
toxic vortex
I would consider a shield to be an off hand
languid mauve
I think "two-handed shield" is solely to cover Bulwark
So would i but the wording just confusing
toxic vortex
All shields (besides bulwark) are offhands but not all offhands are shields
urban saffron
lapis bobcat
a shield would be, just wondering if say a mage's book would qualify
the perk says 2 handed shields and off hands
toxic vortex
I'd class it as an offhand
languid mauve
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1173041286694064139/1491531957866205416...
Who made that
languid mauve
the perk says 2 handed shields and off hands
I guess realistically i can just wear a bronze shield and teat it out
lapis bobcat
would suck to have to give up devil's element for prayer regen
6% magic damage off hand is nice
unless they rework the stats
hollow umbra
"Blindbag triggered per attack not hitsplat" My min-max hitsplat build is dead
toxic vortex
Is there a mage post for clarifications?
Magic 
- Regeneration happens once but takes into account how many runes the spell cast regenerated. Infinite rune sources still trigger regenerations
- Spells which use both a water and and air rune for example, can trigger two different regenerations, one for the number of air runes you used and one for the number of water runes you used
- Combination runes trigger both of the regenerations but regenerate into their separate runes, so regenerating a mistrune will proc both but return you an air and a water rune
- Regeneration only triggers for runes that were actually required by the spell. So no using combination runes to trigger regeneration effects from earth/fire for a water spell (air/water)
- The magic level boost does not stack with things like the imbued heart, or magic potions but the saturated heart will be stronger than it.
- Water damage does scale with your overhealed HP beyond the 20% at 100% HP
- Fire spells are weirdly worded but it does burn considering overhealed HP, so if you have 150 HP it'll consume 6% so 9 hitpoints to deal 18 more damage. A twin-flame staff will consume 9 hitpoints once not twice
- Earth spell defence reduction still respects the defence reduction caps boss have but it has no inherent cap itself
- Earth spells do scale with your defence level beyond 99 if you have potion boosts or have selected demonic pacts which boost your defence level.
- The earth regeneration talent considers your base defence as level + pacts. So if you're at 149/99 defence you can go to 178/99 defence
lapis bobcat
there are 3 overheal nodes
so, hypothetically, you could overheal to a whopping 188 hp
if you had all 3
languid mauve
I didnt finish highschool and have bad memeory from a motorcycle crash lol
marsh hull
o7
languid mauve
Well water is about surviving
lapis bobcat
the water damage buff caps at something around 38%
20% for full health
and 90% of a 2nd 20%
for the 90% overheal
marsh hull
I am thinking water thorns myself. Rough routing posted in the theories
languid mauve
the water damage buff caps at something around 38%
Does the cap factor into gear magic damage % or stack
lapis bobcat
the earth damage buff is flat damage added
languid mauve
I am thinking water thorns myself. Rough routing posted in the theories
My friend told me about your post it looks pretty good
lapis bobcat
pretty sure all the damage is additive
languid mauve
Ok cool
hollow umbra
I'm really curious how blindbag-melee echo is gonna turn out
I wanna slam someone with 12 hitsplats for one hit
lapis bobcat
has anyone calc'ed the maximum defence level you can get with all the nodes?
toxic vortex
Well, you would need multiple scythes with ornament kits for them
But yes you can have 5 scythes in your invent and go ham
lapis bobcat
and pray that those 15%s proc eachother
languid mauve
I thought someone said around 200?
hollow umbra
Well, you would need multiple scythes with ornament kits for them
Scythe, Echo Boppers, Boppers, Dust Knives, Ice Boppers
you don't need fives scythes but more do help
toxic vortex
Well I don't need 5 DH axes either but I want to fuck shit up
hollow umbra
blindbag slam something for what, 140*5 damage?
- echoes
I think blindbag echo is gonna be very funny
toxic vortex
Plus the axe you would already have
hollow umbra
trueee
languid mauve
What about soul reaper axe
hollow umbra
specs dont trigger blindbag
languid mauve
I mesn reg hit
cloud panther
hello pppl
hollow umbra
I'm playing those slots
languid mauve
Hello earl
hollow umbra
I mesn reg hit
I think as main hand weapon, don't see why it wouldn't work
gives you the str bonus for all your other weapons
languid mauve
Hm
marsh hull
I am hoping we are getting all of the spoilers tomorrow/Friday tbh. I'd like the weekend to start planning a more concrete route
wary egret
I look at the planner and get over stimmied and close it
cloud panther
I am leaning toward Kandarin/Mory but idk what the third should be, prob goin for mage
hollow umbra
I look at the planner and get over stimmied and close it
this is how I felt playing Path of Exile
languid mauve
Well 10th is full echo item release
hollow umbra
I do think that this one is a bit easier to understand
languid mauve
With all details
cloud panther
path of exile and it's galaxy skill tree
marsh hull
Fair Papi, I get excited! I got overwhelmed by PoE but this makes sense. After Leagues I may give PoE another chance
languid mauve
hollow umbra
I feel like this league really wants you to hybrid into one other thing
cloud panther
I loved watching streamers open the skill tree to see that
wary egret
I do think that this one is a bit easier to understand
i understand it all, but get overwhelmed by the power economics and opportunity costs of it all
lapis bobcat
we do get 3 respecs
wary egret
with such permanence to decisions
wary egret
we do get 3 respecs
cant respec regions though
lapis bobcat
so if the build your heart desires doesn't work out, you can change things up
cloud panther
If I hybrid I might go mage/ recoil tank
hollow umbra
yeah we have respecs, and I would break it down like this: Pick a main style and something from a different style to benefit from
hollow umbra
a friend of mine is going crossbow range+thorns shield
wary egret
but build path would somewhat dictate region picks for synergies
hollow umbra
and im going blindbag echo melee
marsh hull
I no one saw the hunter sunlight crossbow work around that was interesting
hollow umbra
true that, but there's no like, optimal path
wary egret
a friend of mine is going crossbow range+thorns shield
thats the first thing my mind latched on to
lapis bobcat
most regions can cover multiple attack styles
marsh hull
That one dead point will feel bad in the moment though
hollow umbra
tasks are different every area and some are easier and harder to do all tasks in
languid mauve
Im going full offensive, looks like a glass cannon but ill basically always be on 180 hp
hollow umbra
so I'd judge from, do you wanna do raids or not
if not then I'd avoid Mory/Kourend/Desert
languid mauve
That one dead point will feel bad in the moment though
Yeah ive kind of finished my build and only sit at 33 lol
Which is a good thing i giess
toxic vortex
The raids will all have a 25 completion requirement for a task/skill tree point
languid mauve
Guess*
hollow umbra
Yeah ive kind of finished my build and only sit at 33 lol
could spec into more accuracy
wanton owl
I am going to wait to see how the KBD crossbow works out before I decide doing crossbow/water healing or crossbow/thorns since that cross bow is 2h
cloud panther
If I do raids I would choose Mory or Desert. I don't really like CoX.
marsh hull
I want to know what the devil's trident with 4 prongs does. If it attacks with all 4 elemental styles I am pure glass cannon, no thorns
languid mauve
could spec into more accuracy
Yeah true i kind of based the tree off of what i think i can do within my regions after my accident my ability to do complex things just doesnt exist
toxic vortex
I want to know what the devil's trident with 4 prongs does. If it attacks with a...
We will find out in 2 days
cloud panther
I too want to know that
languid mauve
U will on the 10th
cloud panther
I blame DrEggMan for it not being the 10th
toxic vortex
I blame myself as well
languid mauve
Yeah who do we call
toxic vortex
Apparently me
languid mauve
Wheres mod ash
lapis bobcat
that's a lot of blame
languid mauve
He will fix it
toxic vortex
I don't think ash really does anything with leagues
languid mauve
He will make it happen
cloud panther
Idk what you did DrEggMan but you need to confess
languid mauve
Mod ash is osrs
toxic vortex
I just want the rest of the relics tomorrow
tough finch
bros the blue moon set using arceuus and proccing blind bag is actually giga cheap in points and makes the arceuus grasp spell do 20% more damage than base ice barrage
plus all the insta melee procs
cloud panther
hopefully I can get my good computer screen fixed before league
I was moving stuff around in my room and it kinda fall down and go boom
languid mauve
I just got my new gaming laptop 2 days ago and was happy thought id have to frikken play leagues on my ohone
copper gorge
Has it been said kbd crossbow is 2h for sure?
copper gorge
I just got my new gaming laptop 2 days ago and was happy thought id have to frik...
Whats wrong with mobile!!
languid mauve
Everything
lapis bobcat
I haven't heard it said, but the art makes it appear 2 handed
languid mauve
Is it too much to ask for a 0 tick staff
I want to shoot fire dlsurges so fast it looks like a fat stream of fire
lapis bobcat
0 tick would probably break the game
copper gorge
Is it too much to ask to start leagues with a megarare voucher?
languid mauve
Lmfao
lapis bobcat
like crash servers
languid mauve
like crash servers
But damn wouldnt it be glorious for 10 seconds
Absolutely nuke everything
lapis bobcat
the mega rare voucher you start with is from the last league. The tutor doesn't accept it.
it's expired
copper gorge
Expired, expired, expired
lapis bobcat
have a good one
hollow umbra
bros the blue moon set using arceuus and proccing blind bag is actually giga che...
grasp into 50% proc? you might be cooking, though I think the math is more complicated than 20%
though grasp spam into meleeing half the time into blindbag.. sounds really funny at least pre scythe
tough finch
later on probably better to swap to the water stuff for overhealing bonuses + consuming hp on melee hits, but you could do a arceuus grasp focused blue moon blindbag build for like 23pts
languid mauve
lapis bobcat
grasp spells would benefit heavily from the basic fire rune regen perk
hollow umbra
later on probably better to swap to the water stuff for overhealing bonuses + co...
I wonder how ice bursting works with this when you are surrounded
lapis bobcat
uses 12 fire runes
tough finch
grasp spells would benefit heavily from the basic fire rune regen perk
yeah thats the idea, 36 damage
hollow umbra
I think you have to chat more to rank up, yeah
wary egret
dang wanted to get thoughts on my tribrid build lol
it kinda hinges on cerb dagger being strong and <1kg though
lapis bobcat
it SHOULD be <1kg