leagues-general

[gentle rune]

No essence mine guys

You would need to downgrade air runes for that

[languid mauve]

We got essence tho

[wary egret]

The pact that increases range damage from melee strength bonus is interesting

Full torva zcb build gonna be cracked?

[languid mauve]

From bone shards

Well if u pick that relic

[gentle rune]

Yeah i guess transmutation or soul harvest is the only way for essence tho

That and daeyalt mine

[wary egret]

Full torva zcb buckler thorns build

[shadow badger]

Zeah RC or GotR

[languid mauve]

Crossbow nodes look amazing

That and thrown nodes

Im going to do thrown build after first mage one

[shadow badger]

If you pick transmutation, Soul harvest only solves RC

[tacit oyster]

no healing sources for that build without onyx bolts so probably pretty bad

[shadow badger]

It's a waste

[gentle rune]

Im picking both

[toxic vortex]

there are other sources of essence though

[gentle rune]

There are no other source for essence since soul wars is gone

[wary egret]

Thorns heals

[toxic vortex]

plenty of monsters and bosses drop essence

[wary egret]

Also with ammo save/regen onyx bolts are breeze

[gentle rune]

They dont drop much

[old tapir]

here's a question

[shadow badger]

Essence is almost useless without banker's note

unless you pick the agility tele

[mossy pond]

Are we going to have access to Ava’s devices?

[old tapir]

say you come back online after your butler has been processing stuff for 10 hours

[shadow badger]

Might be available in varla

[gentle rune]

Im not picking tiranwnn

[shadow badger]

No confirm

[old tapir]

and you have abundance

[static notch]

Do crossbow pacts work with the ballista?

[old tapir]

how much xp and gold would you get

[toxic vortex]

yes

[languid mauve]

U can just make ongx bolts ez

[tacit oyster]

i guess if you take both thorns heals you could heal up to 30% of thorns damage you deal. but ranged str from melee gear is only for throwing weapons

[gentle rune]

Im picking abundance but not with butlers since they only give resource

[toxic vortex]

@gentle rune what regions are you picking

[languid mauve]

Also a node that allows ur thorns to double hit which is sweet

[gentle rune]

Kaw

[toxic vortex]

kaw?

oh

kandarin, asg, wild

[gentle rune]

Yes

[languid mauve]

Anyone else on that minion train lock in?

[old tapir]

its less the xp/h and more the xp drops themselves

assumedly the game gives you those 10 hours worth of xp in one drop when you get back online

but abundance works best off of small xp drops

[shadow badger]

Multiply by 10

[gentle rune]

The gold gain from butlers bell is kinda trash ngl

[old tapir]

does the game know that big xp drop is actually just a ton of 10 xp drops

for the purposes of abundance

[toxic vortex]

you can exchange GP for NMZ reward points and buy pure ess from the NMZ shop

[gentle rune]

Yes

[sinful swallow]

so no new announcment today

[wary egret]

Oh good catch

[shadow badger]

For every xp, you got x2 coins

Why does it matter if it's big or small xp drops

[old tapir]

because there's a big difference between abudance turning 100000 xp into 100002 and turning 100000 into 10x1.2x10000

[gentle rune]

500k gp per hour is not good

[wary egret]

It’s the motion of the ocean, not the size of the wave amirite

[gentle rune]

Its just 20% increase

[vagrant acorn]

We got to know the tasks for getting points for the specc tree and that we can get a total of 40 points

[shadow badger]

Pretty sure it's for individual xp drops since it works online as well

[smoky raft]

alright, wilderness is looking like one of my regions-

Does anyone know offhand if the revenant weapons keep their ether? I know you don't lose anything on a pk but in the main game ether is dropped regardless of protection

[shadow badger]

Nope

No idea

[gentle rune]

You keep the revenant ethers

[languid mauve]

They are charged weapons so they should

[weary drift]

Do we have any idea what transmutation actually does???

[smoky raft]

I'm not worried about the weapon charges lol, just that they keep their charges on death

[shadow badger]

I'm assuming regenerate regens ether as well

[toxic vortex]

its pretty well spelled out

[tacit oyster]

in leagues pvp death counts as pvm death

[toxic vortex]

what are you wondering about?

[ripe turtle]

Resource is upgraded +1 level, or -1 level

[smoky raft]

yea, they released tables

[shadow badger]

wdym

[ripe turtle]

By alching it

[weary drift]

What does upgrading and downgrading do??

[toxic vortex]

....changes the item?

[weary drift]

Into?

[ripe turtle]

Iron -> Mithril -> Adamant -> Rune

[smoky raft]

Logs turn into Oak Logs, for example

[ripe turtle]

For example

[shadow badger]

Upgrades and downgrades?

[gentle rune]

If you pick the 100% regen path you can do with just 1 charge

[weary drift]

OHHH

[toxic vortex]

the next tier resource

[weary drift]

So this kinda solves smithing in a way?

[toxic vortex]

it doesn't work for bars

[fickle pine]

where did they release the transmutation table?/

[shadow badger]

If you have more than 100%, you make profit

[toxic vortex]

leagues disc

[gentle rune]

On the wiki

[fickle pine]

ty

[toxic vortex]

Transmutation

• Gems cap at Dragonstone, no sneaking an Onyx or Zenyte (see below)
• Bars are not included, this is intentional.
• You still have access to low alchemy and high alchemy, these do not auto cast though
• There's some cool stuff here like air runes turning into noted pure essence
• Also note the bank toggle, you can send what you make to the bank instead if you'd like
• The items proceed as following:
  • Logs (Normal): Logs -> Oak Logs -> Willow Logs -> Teak Logs -> Maple Logs -> Mahogany Logs -> Yew Logs -> Magic Logs -> Redwood Logs
  • Logs (Pyre): Pyre Logs -> Oak Pyre Logs -> Willow Pyre Logs -> Maple Pyre Logs -> Yew Pyre Logs -> Magic Pyre Logs -> Redwood Pyre Logs
  • Raw Fish: Shrimp -> Sardine -> Herring -> Anchovies -> Mackerel -> Trout -> Cod -> Pike -> Salmon -> Tuna -> Lobster -> Bass -> Swordfish -> Karambwan -> Shark -> Anglerfish -> Dark Crab
  • Bones (Zogre): Zogre -> Fayg -> Ourg -> Raurg
  • Bones: Bones -> Bat -> Big -> Baby Wyrm -> Baby Dragon -> Wyrm -> Dragon -> Drake -> Lava Dragon -> Hydra -> Dagannoth -> Superior Dragon
  • Rocks (Crafting): Clay -> Silver Ore -> Gold Ore
  • Rocks (Regular): Copper Ore -> Tin Ore -> Iron Ore -> Coal -> Mithril Ore -> Adamantite Ore -> Runite Ore
  • Seeds (Allotment): Potato -> Onion -> Cabbage -> Tomato -> Sweetcorn -> Strawberry -> Watermelon -> Snape Grass
  • Seeds (Flower): Marigold -> Rosemary -> Nasturtium -> Woad -> Limpwurt -> White Lily
  • Seeds (Herbs): Guam -> Marrentill -> Tarromin -> Harralander -> Ranarr -> Toadflax -> Irit -> Avantoe -> Kwarum -> Snapdragon -> Huasca -> Cadantine -> Lantadyme -> Dwarf Weed -> Torstol

[ripe turtle]

My current build plan

Thinking of going Kourend/Morytania for tank gear, but split on whether to go Fremnik (since I'm betting Echo dags are coming back) or Asgarnia (for godswords to use with blindbag)

[toxic vortex]

Transmutation

• Part 2
  • Seeds (Hops): Barley -> Hammerstone -> Asgarnian -> Jute -> Yanillian -> Krandorian -> Wildblood
  • Seeds (Bush): Redberry -> Cadavaberry -> Dwellberry -> Jangerberry -> White Berry -> Poison Ivy
  • Seeds (Tree): Acorn -> Willow -> Maple -> Yew -> Magic -> Redwood -> Spirit
  • Seeds (Fruit Tree): Apple -> Banana -> Orange -> Curry -> Pineapple -> Papaya -> Palm -> Dragonfruit
  • Seeds (Hardwood Tree): Teak -> Mahogany
  • Seeds (Cactus): Cactus -> Potato Cactus
  • Compost: Compost -> Super Compost -> Ultra Compost
  • Uncut Gems: Sapphire -> Emerald -> Ruby -> Diamond -> Opal -> Jade -> Red Topaz -> Dragonstone
  • Ashes: Ashes -> Volcanic Ash -> Fiendish Ashes -> Vile Ashes -> Malicious Ashes -> Abyssal Ashes -> Infernal Ashes
  • Runes: Rune Essence -> Pure Essence -> Air -> Water -> Earth -> Fire -> Chaos -> Nature -> Cosmic -> Law -> Death -> Astral -> Blood -> Soul -> Wrath
  • Hides: Cow -> Snake -> Green Dragon -> Blue Dragon -> Red Dragon -> Black Dragon

[molten gust]

Alchemy

[ripe turtle]

I wonder if blindbag scythe triggers multihit...

[fickle pine]

im surprised it does not go to onyx

[ripe turtle]

Can each scythe hit trigger another blindbag, even

[shadow badger]

Yes it does

[ripe turtle]

O shit

[shadow badger]

1 proc per attack only

[ripe turtle]

Still good to know

[toxic vortex]

it does not work on multi hit-splats

[sharp shuttle]

When a blindbag attack occurs it works as if you swung it yourself, so set effects like dharoks will work and the scythe will hit 3 times against large targets.

[shadow badger]

Pick mory for 6 scythe combo

[ripe turtle]

Whar

[weary drift]

Holy damn that’s a lot better than I thought

[smoky raft]

leagues general

[ripe turtle]

Yeah does kinda suck they made it unique weapons only

Would be funny to just stack 6 scythes lol

[sharp shuttle]

you can

[toxic vortex]

^

[ripe turtle]

Wait what

[sharp shuttle]

Blindbag looks for items with the same object ID. So having 4 dharok axes at different degrade levels or 6 different scythe variants (charged/uncharged/ornamented) will count. Good luck getting 6 megarare scrolls and 4 ornament kits though.

[ripe turtle]

Oh well yeah but like

[latent magnet]

Lmao

Anti fun build

[ripe turtle]

I suppose

[shadow badger]

You need mory for scythe build

[ripe turtle]

Uncharged scythe is kinda defeating the whole purpose tho

[weary drift]

Do yall think priff with chally melee would be good??

[shadow badger]

You need kandarin

[toxic vortex]

^

[sharp shuttle]

make your own dogsword, tossing all 5 godswords into a bag

[toxic vortex]

you dont get the specs

[shadow badger]

That's my plan

[ripe turtle]

A damn shame...

[shadow badger]

Wish you could get the specs

[vagrant acorn]

I think its worse than nox hally even with the speedup

[ripe turtle]

Next league I want a relic that lets me wear two sets of armor at once

[weary drift]

Was gonna prob go kourend, priff but if I need kandarin then maybe those three

[sharp shuttle]

stack armour ontop of yourself like you layering a dozen sweaters

[weary drift]

Yes but crystal with blessing is strong at least from last leagues.

[shadow badger]

I'm picking asgarnia instead of kandarin

[ripe turtle]

You can wear 12 pieces of armor

Non-slot specific

12 lightbearers

[shadow badger]

RuneScape: Legend of the 12 Rings

[weary drift]

Sure, mage and range is good but what about melee? Just the thorns?

[latent magnet]

Thatd be impossible engine work. A cooler item would be a shield or necklace that absorbs set effects like Essence of Finality

[latent magnet]

But it would also force an asgarnia pick for void

[shadow badger]

Essence of finality would be a dope relic

[latent magnet]

On almost every build lol

[ripe turtle]

Armor bag like the forestry thingamabob

Stack armor into it, gives you all the bonuses

[smoky raft]

are imbues available or nah

I'm taking kandarin and will have NMZ if that matters

[shadow badger]

Think NMZ is closed

[latent magnet]

Not by default no. Soul wars is closed, nmz does not work in leagues, neither does duel arena. I dont think there's any imbues

[molten gust]

I recall that happening last time too. At least it was with gridmaster.

I would guess they will offer them somewhere.

[latent magnet]

We might get a solution for imbues

[smoky raft]

damn suffering might not be the move then

[latent magnet]

I'm sooo glad Soul Wars isn't a thing this time around. Shit was so busted

Free resources, cracked xp

[wary egret]

Cross dressing

[weary drift]

Is justi just insane with thorns???

[ripe turtle]

Think so yeah

[deep root]

Did we get a clarification for the spec restore mastery? Is it per hitsplat or per "attack" total?

[tacit oyster]

kandarin only way to get imbues if they do not change it. can buy points with gp 1 point = 1 gp

[dense forge]

Is today's reveal the pacts and their info? The blog hasn't updated to say what the reveal is today

[weary drift]

Yall think crossbow with thorns is a good idea??

[copper gorge]

Todays reveal is the calc and basically more explanation on the tree being able to click through it

Has the area pact unlocks as well

[dense forge]

Dam

[tacit oyster]

the whole demonic pacts blog with video explaining it was today's reveal. not added to leagues page for some reason though https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/demonic-pacts---overview?oldschool=1

[formal furnace]

ngl this league is going to be very interesting, was overwhelmed when I saw the combat tree at first, but now it looks like it's going to be fun playing around with it

[tacit oyster]

it was very overwhelming during reveal since we had to solve 50 riddles to open it

[formal furnace]

was told we'd be able to reset it up to 3 times, is that true?

[tacit oyster]

We've split them out across the different areas which means you'll get:

9 from global tasks (with 2 given during the tutorial)
4 from Varlamore
6 from Karamja
7 for each additional area unlockedWe've split them out across the different areas which means you'll get:

9 from global tasks (with 2 given during the tutorial)
4 from Varlamore
6 from Karamja
7 for each additional area unlocked

You can unlock resets by completing the following tasks:

Defeat 1 unique Echo Boss
Defeat 2 unique Echo Bosses
Defeat 3 unique Echo Bosses

[formal furnace]

oooo beating the echos

I like it!

[tacit oyster]

skill tree points from tasks in different regions, resets from first 3 unique echo bosses

the pact reveal blog has all the skill point tasks already listed

[formal furnace]

fantastic, will have a look through a little later

got 7 days booked off work so i can no life once it drops

didn't take off wednesday because usually the release day is rough

[tacit oyster]

expecting 4 hour delay to actually be able to play properly once again

[unique cedar]

Will it be possible to play an alt and nominate your main for rewards? I heard you could do that in some past event

[shadow badger]

No

[tacit oyster]

you can trade rewards to other account but cannot claim their points or trophy. Assuming not ironman though

[formal furnace]

I've got 3 leagues worth of points stocked up by accident, I usually get burnt out in the last few days and forget to log back in afterwards

have they announced the rewards yet?

[languid mauve]

Nmz was disabled last leagues

But you could trade gp for points to imbue

[potent quail]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-102-106-107-108-109-11-112-113-114-122-17-18-2-21-24-29-30-31-38-39-4-44-45-46-55-56-59-6-60-64-65-66-68-7-9

thoughts on this build
Idea is: League start jsut with crossbow and get subnlight hunter crossbow

then once you have the points get a staff to cast water bolt spells (gain prayer and healing)

endgame: switch between crossbow and wind spell each attack
use Wilderness echo weapon to deal ice damage and heal on each attack
regen a ton of prayer
requires 49/56 prayer bonus though

[undone snow]

will demonbane spells count as fire since they use fire runes ?

[shadow badger]

No

[weary drift]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-13-133-135-136-139-14-140-141-145-146-15-16-17-18-2-20-23-26-27-28-3-38-57-6-60-61-69-71-81-84-9-92-94-95-96

thiughts? might go cross bow instead but idk if buckler counts as a shield.

[tacit oyster]

colosseum might be hard early on but otherwise fine. i am personally going this for "early" game with melee point start and then swapping at around 25-30 points to another build https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-11-157-161-17-18-19-2-22-25-32-33-34-43-5-74-8-82-83-86

[smoky raft]

my first thought is "that's a lot of clicking"

[latent magnet]

Buckler does count as a shield

It provides defensive stats and is classified as a ranged shield

It might just count any offhand

[weary drift]

Perfect, then thorns with crossbow is gonna work well

[smoky raft]

They've said defenders don't count as shields

those are offhand and they have defensive bonuses

[wary egret]

Is the attack speed reduction for 70% buff worth it?

[latent magnet]

A buckler isn't a defender

[latent magnet]

Dfs has offensive bonus and it's a shield

[weary drift]

Yes, makes crossbows hit a consistent 100 without rubies

[latent magnet]

Same with the wards

Those are shields with offensive stats

[smoky raft]

honestly I imagine whether or not something is a shield comes down to a duck test

If it looks like a shield...

uh... quacks like a shield? Ok you get the point

[tacit oyster]

can still use rubies to reduce your max hit

[latent magnet]

Defenders consist of Antler Guard, Metal Defenders, Avernic

Those probably won't count

[tacit oyster]

defenders confirmed to not count as shield and dinh's confirmed to count as shield. nothing else confirmed but buckler is a type of shield irl so should work

[weary drift]

How does desert, asgarnia, kourend sound for a thorns crossbow build with a powered staff mage with elidnis and buckler??

[latent magnet]

Just realized having access to Justi and Bulwark means I can respec into a meme tank build near the end

[smoky raft]

what powered staff

[latent magnet]

As well as blood fury and echo boots

[wary egret]

I think I’m going mory instead of dessert

[weary drift]

Ayak

[shadow badger]

Wildy

[smoky raft]

ah, right, ayak is in varl

[wary egret]

Crossbow tank

[weary drift]

Wildy?? Why?

[shadow badger]

Cbow

[wary egret]

Seems gimmicky

[weary drift]

Do we know the stats on it?

[shadow badger]

No

[weary drift]

Because I think ZCB should be strong enough with diamond dragons

Plus fort masori

[wary egret]

Where does barrage even matter for range

[weary drift]

It doesn’t

It’s in mage where it helps

Counts as a water spell I think

[wary egret]

Ugh I wish we could take 4 regions lol

And had 50 points

[latent magnet]

this is what im aiming for.
-hespori bow smg for ez sustain
-bluetooth whip -> scythe, wifi nox hally
-full karils -> kbd cbow sniper
-late game respec into meme tank

[inner zenith]

is cbow 2 hander?

[latent magnet]

karils cbow is yes

[inner zenith]

sorry kbd's

[latent magnet]

oh yeah i think it is

[inner zenith]

nuh needed it 1h for my build xD

[wary egret]

Based on what

[fierce heron]

look big could be similar stats to balista becasue of the heavy hitting crossbow pact

[inner zenith]

are any tasks our yet either?

feel thats the only thing were missing currently

[copper gorge]

Not yet.

[bright zenith]

There are some tasks in the new demonic pacts blogpost

[copper gorge]

They said they would release varl and global easy meds soon

[covert field]

late reply, but you can absolutely do it gamer

[toxic vortex]

I think based on the image that was posted when the did the reveal for echo kbd

[novel grail]

Ive decided im bad at the game so im going for maximum tank
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-127-128-129-135-139-140-141-145-146-150-151-152-161-165-44-48-57-6-61-62-63-64-70-71-73-74-8-81-82-84-86-92-93-94-95-96-97-98-99

[dull nacelle]

are we getting any other reveals today?

[toxic vortex]

seemingly not

[wide veldt]

cant share a screen shot of my build 🙁

[toxic vortex]

https://tenor.com/bJG3l.gif

[wide veldt]

either way its a crossbow double accuracy heavy hitting build with prayer penatration lol

[amber palm]

Do we know if Doom of Mokhaiotl will drop Confliction Gauntlets base or need zenytes?

[dull nacelle]

there is just still question marks on the news post so I didn't know if the full pacts thing was the reveal

[toxic vortex]

that seems to be the assumption, but yeah its odd

[wide veldt]

still getting stressed about the second relic in t7

[amber palm]

this is my water spell overheal build I'm planning on
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-11-112-113-114-122-123-135-44-45-46-55-56-57-58-59-6-60-61-68-7-8-9-93-94-96-97-99
90% overheal + healing 10 every 3 ticks (if using water surge) or 6 every 3 ticks (if using ice barrage) + healing for 60% of damage dealt

left 10 points unspent to react to any deficiencies

[wide veldt]

didnt they also say we can reset our builds?

[wary egret]

I already have decision paralysis

[amber palm]

yes! three resets total

[potent quail]

yeah

[wide veldt]

3 load out would be better but can only be changed at a bank

[amber palm]

i'm probably going to rush perilous moons with glacial temotli + a melee build then switch to magic once i have full blue moon

[toxic vortex]

@amber palm i haven't seen anything specific about confliction gauntlets

[potent quail]

you could take desert and get drypipe
should be really strong

[wary egret]

Was there any confirmation that culling spree will be imbued bonuses?

[slate herald]

Looking to make a magetank thorns build for leagues but I assume Devil's Element won't count as a shield. Is there any way to get a DFS without access to Duke Horacio/Oziach, which are in Misthalin, to get the anti-dragon shield that is required to make DFS?

[split wave]

will the The accursed sceptre (a) still count as powered staff?

[amber palm]

The anti-dragon shield and elemental shield have been added to all Slayer Equipment shops.

[slate herald]

Ty!

[latent magnet]

yes

oh wait no not the autocast version

two different items

[amber palm]

Unfortunately, the ancient wyvern shield will not be available this leagues
your best bet for a bis mage shield is taking desert for elidinis' ward or wilderness for malediction ward/arcane spirit shield

or dragonfire shield is a thing for pure tankiness, of course

[slim crag]

I'm going all in on water. The only visible wall will be Olm until I get a Shadow, but I can just buddy up with someone maining ranged..

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-101-106-107-108-112-113-114-117-118-122-123-127-128-133-134-135-136-164-44-46-55-56-57-58-59-60-61-67-68-69-70-87-91-93-94-96-97-99

[toxic vortex]

yes

it will be imbued

but you cannot stack slayer helm from mory with slayer helm effect from relic

[potent quail]

why so much prayer pen?

[slim crag]

Actually, is there anything that uses protection prayers in KAZ? I don't think so, right?

[molten gust]

So by this point 99% sure we are not getting a relic today.

[slim crag]

I was thinking about that just now

I keep thinking in terms of TOA

[toxic vortex]

with the toa changes theres really no need for prayer pen

[slim crag]

But I'm not picking Desert and I don't think there's anything else that protects against magic in KAZ

[potent quail]

ok explain to me why you take none of the elemental amsterys but the node before that for 3 elementsXD

[amber palm]

curious why you're going for the air/earth/fire spell boosts if you're going all in on water
i also feel like it's really useful to pull the air rune regen boost, all standard spellbook combat spells cost air runes so whenever you're using them you get the prayer regen

[latent magnet]

since transmutation wont synergize well with hotfoot, im wondering if woodsman is the pick

[slim crag]

Magic damage boosts

[potent quail]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-100-101-107-108-109-112-113-114-117-118-119-122-123-127-128-129-133-135-44-45-46-47-55-56-57-58-59-60-61-67-68-69-70-87-93-94-96-97-99
like if we dont really need prayer res that would be my fix lol
full elemental weakness focus and get the extra elemental bonuses

can probably drop the earth or fire one

[latent magnet]

ofc still waiting for the final reveals

evil eye is locked in, no other pick could beat it

[potent quail]

like the only other unlock that really matters is the t7 one to compüete with reloaded

[slim crag]

I'm still going all in on water magic because Kodai wand
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-107-108-11-112-113-114-117-118-12-122-123-127-128-133-135-44-46-55-56-57-58-59-6-60-61-67-68-69-7-70-8-9-93-94-96-97-99

[potent quail]

but then why are you taking
the air spell and earth spell thing

[slim crag]

Again, magic damage

[potent quail]

ehhh

for 2 skillpoints

[amber palm]

i really don't think a total of +6% magic damage is worth spending 9 points on if you're rolling full water

[potent quail]

i dont see it

[toxic vortex]

I would agree with that

thats a lot of points

in most cases its 1/4 of what most players will probably end up getting

[slim crag]

There's very little else to spend it on aside from some defence and rune regen boosts

[potent quail]

you could take thorns

[true pine]

do we know how ranged echoes work with ruby bolts? would the echoes have a chance to proc as well?

[slim crag]

With what shield?

[toxic vortex]

twisted buckler

[latent magnet]

gonna enjoy calling yama to deliver the hitsplat

[potent quail]

does it matter? thorns is a massive damage increase

[toxic vortex]

wait, not htat

[slim crag]

I'd be better off with a broodoo shield

[latent magnet]

what if t7 is bonus region

[amber palm]

compare my table with 30pts
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-11-112-113-114-122-123-135-44-45-46-55-56-57-58-59-6-60-61-68-7-8-9-93-94-96-97-99
i left 10pts flexible; i could build into the protection-prayer-not-active prayer regen if i'm consistently losing prayer, the bottom rung of the melee section through bottom right for an additional +75% all-style accuracy and bonus extra spec regen, put a point into powered staves for when i get ayak/shadow...

[potent quail]

also for sure take the air runes regeneration gives prayer points
insane value for 1 point

[toxic vortex]

definitely not

[latent magnet]

w/o access to that regions tasks

[toxic vortex]

nope

[tacit oyster]

t7 unlimited respecs

[latent magnet]

any early routes planned yet?

[slim crag]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-107-108-11-111-112-113-114-12-122-123-133-135-44-45-46-55-56-57-58-59-6-60-61-67-68-69-7-70-71-74-8-9-93-94-96-97-99

How about this

[latent magnet]

gonna be moving different in varlamore so we need stuff like early money makers

[potent quail]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-11-112-113-114-12-122-123-133-135-136-139-140-141-145-146-44-46-55-56-57-58-59-6-60-61-68-7-71-8-81-84-9-93-94-96-97-99
this was my idea but this kinda locks you into a shield and ring of recoil/suffering

ah missed 1 node
this is the one
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-11-112-113-114-12-122-123-133-135-136-139-140-141-145-146-44-45-46-55-56-57-58-59-6-60-61-68-7-71-8-81-84-93-94-96-97-99

[amber palm]

that's what i'd do personally, yeah; i might cut the offhand booster for the air boost instead of the chance to roll max accuracy

i feel like the max accuracy roll guarantees more hits than the +2% magic damage increases your max hit

[potent quail]

but like 6 magic strength is big

[slim crag]

The problem I find is that if you're sticking to ancients then you're not gonna be able to count smoke spells as air spells

[potent quail]

idj maybe he is right and thats mroe damage then the thorns one

[potent quail]

i assumed you wanted to stay with water spells

[amber palm]

it adds +6% magic strength only if you're using a shadow, and you can't equip an offhand with the shadow!

[slim crag]

Yes but regenning prayer with air spells is too good to pass up now that you mention it

Removes the need for prayer pots

[potent quail]

water spells use air runes^^

[brisk mauve]

Dang coulda swore yesterday earth spells did 1 damage flat per 1 defence level, not 12. But maybe I miss read it

[slim crag]

Ohhhhhhh

I didn't know that

I'm dumb

[amber palm]

if you do water surge, you trigger both water rune regen and air rune regen

[potent quail]

ice barrage doesnt and that matters a bit

[slim crag]

In that case, I don't need smoke spells and that opens it up for more recoil

[brisk mauve]

Did they kill the build? Guess it's time to make another plan

[potent quail]

the only other benefit of thorns is also a tiny bit of extra healing but that may be overkill for a water spell only build

[potent quail]

which build?

[brisk mauve]

Earth

[potent quail]

its still strong
just not insane

[brisk mauve]

I swear yesterday it said 1 damage per defence level

[short sphinx]

i feel like the Hali pact is buns does +2 range really mean that much. and the speed up only effects crystal hali. but Isn't nox just better?

[storm magnet]

Will you be able to spell book swap to ancients with magic cape without desert since we have DT2 done?

[potent quail]

you will basicly never get hit and regen prayer and health everytime a enemy misses you

it never said 1 damage per defence lvl

We assumed it would be 1 per 5

[potent quail]

flat damage is insanely broken
so even a small amount has a big effect

[brisk mauve]

Oh I must have miss read it. Or it had a type

typo*

[tropic mantle]

it said #, not 1

[weary drift]

All the extra damage from being further from target means your min hit is like 21 or smth

[potent quail]

the more i think about it the more i like the 6% magic damage over the thorns.
opens up ring and shield slot
super good with shadow

and may be similiar damage to thorns? but that needs to be calced

[novel grail]

1 damage per 12 def levels is huge. im gonna be 159 def level before boosting with earth spells

[brisk mauve]

It's like 13 extra damage

Then the boosts

[novel grail]

HUGE!

[potent quail]

every 3 ticks

and you combine it with thorns

[short sphinx]

actually sounds a bit better still a bit underwhelming tho

[weary drift]

It’s better than I thought, considering it’s a build that only needs 1-2 regions since you need money for hall and another (asg prob) for armor

[slim crag]

I'm pretty sure the only hurdle is Olm as far as magic damage is concerned if you're trying to solo CoX and that's why I didn't really see much of a reason to use anything other than a kodai wand and Devil's Lettuce -- I mean Element

er

[amber palm]

it also specifically mentions 'attack deals zero damage', so it presumably also counts when you correctly pray against something

[slim crag]

wait

[vast patrol]

Was there a reveal today? I can't seem to find where it would have been posted

[slim crag]

My mind is crambling

[potent quail]

better idea
dont take Kourend

[slim crag]

TRUE

[brisk mauve]

This makes more sense really, I was calculating 140 flat damage with all defence nodes and earth spells, and thought it would get nerfed before launch any way.

[slim crag]

tbh all you really need is virtus

[amber palm]

my tentative mage region plan is kandarin, desert, and fremennik, not sure in what order

[weary drift]

If going full mage then virtus with ancients might even be better, just locks you into grimiore

[sinful swallow]

So what combat style seems most popular so far. Im going ranged personaly but seeing a lot of magic talk in here

[weary drift]

Mage is good either as a splash with staves or hyper focused with elemental weakness

[slim crag]

True. I could pick Desert but Desert is ass for mages this run

Might pick Morytania instead

[amber palm]

how so?

[novel grail]

im doing melee/mage hybrid probably

[weary drift]

Mory is kinda ass for mage too, honestly I think kourend IS a good mage region because the prayers but I’m also not taking grim

[amber palm]

mory is really good if you're focusing standard spellbook, it has harmonized nightmare staff for 2tick standard spells instead of 3tick

[short sphinx]

im bored of taking range i did 3 range builds last leagues because it was op. time for melee

[weary drift]

That grind is kinda ass since you want two of the drops from her

But it IS good if you’re willing to do it

[amber palm]

Yeeeeeeeeahhhhhhhhhh

[slim crag]

Yeah the problem is that no matter what you pick you're doubling up on something with Grimoire

[brisk mauve]

I think this new 1 handed staff and the demonic element might be huge and potentially the crystal armour if the speculation that the crystal blessing will work on magic

[weary drift]

Tried last leagues and I wanted to end it

[short sphinx]

i really liked sparks hally/bow/water build

that might be the move

[weary drift]

Not entirely, I’m skipping ancients

Kourend with standard spells and a shadow for non elemental

[sinful swallow]

Every league i say no range this time then they do somthing crazy

Im rocking balista this leagues its gonna be neat

[slim crag]

I can't in good conscience skip Ancients simply because of the AoE, but I guess I could learn to live with it.

[sinful swallow]

Echo recast max hit balista its my grape shot heavy balista

[slim crag]

tally-ho lads

[tacit oyster]

seems like the only op melee build steals ranged echoes to make them melee echoes

[amber palm]

I could be convinced to skip desert and go for mory instead with grimoire...

[short sphinx]

the Nox hali is just my fav weapon ever so i have to go hali build

[weary drift]

I’m skipping but an alternative is going desert then using thorns as aoe for slayer and stuff

[short sphinx]

true

[slim crag]

At this point the only way I can see myself picking up Thorns is going Desert and hoping I get Elidinis's Ward.

[weary drift]

Yeah, but when you do it’s insane lol

Tank and healing and recoil

[tacit oyster]

i wonder if water mage with thorns can afk zuk

[weary drift]

With healing pacts maybe

Since you’d be able to overhear to like 230

[sinful swallow]

Someone please go full thirns dihbs bullwark and take down zuk with passivly

[amber palm]

It's painful how you can't get fortified ward without both desert and wildy

[old tapir]

not gonna lie, the pacts has kinda deflated my desire to do bows

bows do not seem good

[brisk mauve]

Imagine if blood fury procced on thorns damage

[sinful swallow]

Bows seem really lack luster

[weary drift]

Mage might want wildy just for ring of gods and cape anyways

[brisk mauve]

It'd probably only proc if you had a melee weapon equipped though

[weary drift]

And shield

[old tapir]

if the attack speed was -2 instead of -1 it'd be fine

but as is, not good

[analog moat]

is Barbarian Gathering going to work with the Butler perk in which you could get str and agility xp offline

[sinful swallow]

Atlatle is gonna go hard with the throw tree tho

[undone snow]

since the eclipse atlatl doesn't work with the bow or thrown pacts, does that mean it works with crossbow one or just nothing at all? lol am dumb

[old tapir]

its thrown

[sinful swallow]

Throw tree with some melee tree seems solid

[weary drift]

Might only go mage for one tick Ayak

[undone snow]

oh i read it as not, thanks

[short sphinx]

^this

[old tapir]

you think its too late for them to buff the pacts

[short sphinx]

prolly

[old tapir]

sad

[short sphinx]

they are already tested by them

[ember wyvern]

They said they would update numbers until day of release

[ashen night]

Atlatle counts as a bow not a throwing wep

[sinful swallow]

That seems dumb its legit thrown XD

[wicked mountain]

nope its throw

[amber palm]

it's throwing for pact purposes

[whole surge]

this is my idea for my build so far, whit going MW, (idk the last reagion) https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?_gl=1*12ug6kz*_gcl_au*NjMxODk3OTc5LjE3NzExNTczNDg.&n=1-10-11-13-14-15-153-154-155-156-16-17-18-19-2-20-21-22-23-24-25-27-29-30-31-33-4-43-58-62-63-64-65-7-74-83-88-9-93-98

[slim crag]

I could make a powered staff build and use water/ice spells top up on HP quickly.

[ashen night]

Even if wiki says its a bow archetype?

[wicked mountain]

yes the pacts state that

[ashen night]

Oh shoot! Well boys we hoping off now!

Popping*

[sinful swallow]

I would ditch 2% range str for 10% echo chance if your running multi echo

Echo atks had darohk bonus last leagues so i would like to think max hitting crossbow will echo max hit aswell

[wicked mountain]

btw does bulwark count as shield and melee weapon or jsut as shield?

[weary drift]

If you wanna go elemental mage then KDW seems strong and maybe just don’t use the prayer lol, you probably already have enough damage, plus you can have lots of prayers on for air spell effects

[sinful swallow]

There is a pact that says two handed shield i think its shield only

[weary drift]

Augury isn’t bis all the time because air spell effect lets you get 7% damage with more prayers

[wicked mountain]

but its technically also a meele weapon bc it can attack. thats why im curious

[weary drift]

So mystic might plus steel skin is 14

You could get 5 prayers on? Or 6 maybe?? But still it’s 35-42 mage damage

[amber palm]

oh! never mind, you can craft wrath runes at the altar with kandarin only

thought you needed either fremennik for vorkath or kourend for yama

[weary drift]

Also you could transmute them if you aren’t taking that region

[amber palm]

oh wow that's true

[slim crag]

The problem with Desert is that I'd need to account for prayer pen for TOA and that eats up a lot of points

KWZ seems like a better option

[weary drift]

I just know augury might be a trap

[slim crag]

I'm getting Augury either way

[weary drift]

I guess, I’m still trynna find ways to not get grim

[slim crag]

It's really hard considering Kandarin is pretty much needed for Devil's Element.

And for early-game powered staves

Or mid, whatever.

[amber palm]

and occult necklace

[sinful swallow]

Mage REALLY wants elements this time

[amber palm]

and the mysterious new thermy staff

[weary drift]

Mage damage slowly becomes irrelevant

[slim crag]

I could just NOT go with Ancients.

[weary drift]

Hitting 100% is easy with air

Getting 50% without picking any regions

Or rather 52

[slim crag]

Could also do earth since it deals flat damage per def level

er

12

[weary drift]

Earth and thorns might be the play

[wicked mountain]

earth and thorns does sound neat ngl

[slim crag]

[wicked mountain]

balista full cbow is also a funky 1 shot idea

[tacit oyster]

water and thorns probably better since you heal for more than you deal damage + thorns also heals for portion of damage dealt

[weary drift]

Yes but I’ll have so much defense I won’t get hit lol

At least I hope

[tacit oyster]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-101-11-13-14-15-164-17-18-2-21-24-29-30-31-38-39-4-55-56-57-58-59-60-62-63-7-82-83-85-86-87-88-9-91-93-98-99 Overkill crossbow focus

[sinful swallow]

Thats a solid 24 for olm with devil element

[slim crag]

Yeah, I think earth might be the play

[tacit oyster]

earth doesnt get that much higher defence earth rune regen caps at +19 def

[slim crag]

It reduces magic def too

[wicked mountain]

but you do overstack on ammo reg chance. maybe some chance to optimize

[slim crag]

Actually yeah

[tacit oyster]

hoping it can double proc echo since no confirmation

[old tapir]

pacts feedback:

• the "neutral" areas should be connected one node closer to the center (green lines in attached screenshot for example), currently you need to take nodes you really don't wanna take to get to them. node placements can be changed a bit to keep all the lines in cardinal/ordinal directions
• bows and 1h melee are looking very weak overall, i would like to see the attack speed nodes (highlighted in yellow) buffed from 1 to 2, its the one change that would maximize fun to me
• the top node (higlighted in red) to get a small reward for taking a 0 hit feels very restrictive in terms of what you can equip to benefit from it

[slim crag]

The fact earth spells reduce def AND magic def would be fantastic for raids

[wicked mountain]

since its "regenerate" i dont think so

[weary drift]

Might go full into bows and mage then on my alt do a full thorns afk build.

[amber palm]

the question is how far they can reduce it

[weary drift]

To what the min stats are for the mob?

Like corp becomes free

Spam those

[amber palm]

god dang

i might have to build into earth a bit then

[proper wave]

the pact "your next hit from a different style deals +25% damage", what exactly is a style?

[shrewd flame]

combat style I assume (melee/range/mage)

[proper wave]

I could see that. Wasn't sure if bow/crossbow would count

[shrewd flame]

also wow it's crazy that they got zizaran to come do a promo video for them lmao

it makes sense considering how many jmods love poe but damn

[old tapir]

i just realised that all the content creators have been playing dumb to the whole pact system

like i know they all went to jagex hq a bit ago

but they really pulled a fast one on us

[brisk mauve]

Ima wait till the echo items get revealed, I may still be able to make a very powerful tumekens shadow build with 100% damage tripled or quadrupled.

[old tapir]

they're all revealed?

[brisk mauve]

But earth is still great

[old tapir]

but i assume you mean the stats

[brisk mauve]

Yeah I mean what they do, since we know they do stuff different then last leagues

[tribal peak]

this is my idea for build, whit end goal having the Dinh's bulwark shield, so going to go MKoF
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?_gl=1*12ug6kz*_gcl_au*NjMxODk3OTc5LjE3NzExNTczNDg.&n=1-100-135-136-139-140-141-145-146-150-151-152-156-157-161-43-58-6-61-62-63-64-71-73-74-8-80-81-82-83-84-86-88-92-93-94-95-96-98-99

[brisk mauve]

Like their is a rumour the crystal blessing will work with magic

[old tapir]

that info should be coming on the 10th

[languid mauve]

Down to 0

[desert vortex]

hey guys EH>HF>AL>BB>LA>CS>RL SH>FF
what spec should I go and what zones should I pick for points but also AFK content (I don't want CG CG is the worst garbage this game ever made)

[brisk mauve]

But the staff and devils element will really be the deciding factor, depending on what that does to elemental spells and how well they work togethered

[languid mauve]

We find out on 10th

[brisk mauve]

I assume it depends on the boss, every creature has a maximum that can be reduced with specs so it's probably the same

[weary drift]

Is there any reason to go water over using blood spells In fire??

[brisk mauve]

Then the 10th will be the day that I make my build

[desert vortex]

wtf is this? new leagues mechanic?

[brisk mauve]

It's either Tumekens Shadow, Earth or Water, or A pure tank build with dihns.

[languid mauve]

Well 0 is lowest they cant go negative for magic defense which technically means u never splash but u can still hit 0s

[languid mauve]

Water will out perform blood by a margin bigger than i can type

60% of the water spells damage is what heals u

[brisk mauve]

So justicar, dinhs bulwark, all defence and thorn nodes. Will probably smack would it not?

[languid mauve]

Literally water blast will heal u 8s

[desert vortex]

someone send me a "you will survive all encounters" build

[languid mauve]

Now go bigger and stronger

[desert vortex]

and tell me regions to pick

[languid mauve]

I got you

[weary drift]

Yeah but later blood barrage heals me too?

[languid mauve]

Water way is a good way

[brisk mauve]

There is also the option to go fire and use blood counts as fire, which mean technically the burn should also heal you 5 per tick

Of course thats how it should be, who knows if it's actually developed like that

[languid mauve]

It will never reach levels of survivability water way will blood barrage doesnt even heal for 15% of damage

Ice barrage which can be converted into water spell with a node will heal 30+

not counting damage buffs

Or any ither factor

And that heal is Every single cast

U add 2 tick magic on that

[weary drift]

I thought blood barrage healed more lol

[languid mauve]

It does not

Only viable method with blood barrage is zuriels staff

[sinful swallow]

Which vid

[languid mauve]

And u wont have access to to that

[desert vortex]

can you respec these after u pick them?

[weary drift]

3 tick with barraging I think because no 4 tick ancients

[desert vortex]

or am i gonna get locked out of leagues again like last time cus it wasnt fun if u mispick

[languid mauve]

Assuming water spell harmonized orb

[desert vortex]

i just dont want CG. I hate corrputed gauntlet. it's a trash instance. i want fun bosses

[languid mauve]

Will be 2 tick

[lone bloom]

No new relic today?

[languid mauve]

No

[lone bloom]

Fml

[lapis bobcat]

you get up to 3 respecs of the whole tree

[weary drift]

I just don’t really wanna go kandarin

[languid mauve]

U will get 3 respecs that u earn through tasks u complete

[lapis bobcat]

1 from each unique echo boss you kill up to the 3rd

[desert vortex]

3 respecs of the full tree or just a few?

[wicked mountain]

oh neat

[lapis bobcat]

3 respecs of whole tree

[languid mauve]

Respects that wipe full tree

[lapis bobcat]

no do overs after

[desert vortex]

nice

[shrewd flame]

the one in #game-news

[languid mauve]

Im on mobile life is just too fast

[wicked mountain]

so you could actually do an early build and switch later

[lone bloom]

What is a respic

[slim crag]

Okay, this took a bit of finnagling, but I think I figured out the perfect balance of overheal, tanking and damage.
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-11-112-113-114-12-122-127-128-129-133-139-145-166-167-44-45-46-48-53-55-56-57-58-59-60-61-68-7-70-71-8-81-84-92-93-94-95-99

for magic

[lapis bobcat]

a redo of the choices on the pact tree

[wicked mountain]

id say go either powered or normal spells

[slim crag]

This covers both.

[lapis bobcat]

so if you chose a build you don't end up liking, you can change your choices without having to make a new character/account

[sinful swallow]

You get 3 resets 1 per echo boss first kill

[languid mauve]

Keep in mind it only affects the pacts your regions and relics are permanent

[lapis bobcat]

A thing to note, the pact tasks are out

[wicked mountain]

yea and i think that wasted points. bc u cant use them at the same time rly

[sinful swallow]

No more then 3

[lapis bobcat]

and some of them are very endgame

[inner zenith]

im doing a starting build then respeccing around 25/30 points

so i got 2 builds

[lapis bobcat]

making a build with the full 40 points is gonna take a while to realize

[slim crag]

Yes you can?

[inner zenith]

and 1 reset if i mess up

dont count on egtting all 40 tbh

id say aim for 30/35

[lapis bobcat]

30 is very achievable by most players

depends on regions

[slim crag]

If you need to heal or reduce (magic) def, switch to a staff that can cast elemental spells then switch back to Tumeken's

[weary drift]

Wait is zcb max hit smth like 130 If diamonds proc??

[languid mauve]

I believe last 3-5 points are the only hard ones

[languid mauve]

With ruby it would be over 200

[wicked mountain]

feels a bit silly with a 2 tick shadow. i think focusing on 1 might give better results.

[sinful swallow]

I doubt crossbow max hit includes bolt ench

[weary drift]

I thought ruby SET the damage to 110-0 based on hp

[languid mauve]

Im going to focus on my custom water build until i have some decent gear then maybe switch to a shadow build

[languid mauve]

But there is a node that increased all crossbow damage by 70% and guarantees a max hit everytime

[weary drift]

Yes so you’d want diamonds

Or dragon stone or smth

[grand dagger]

If you spec your first 15-20 (planning a reset for what you really want) into ranged and regens you can probably burn through the coliseum and inferno without much effort because of that crossbow max and accuracy buffs.

[lapis bobcat]

unknown if that 70% affects the ruby spec

[languid mauve]

Oh u mean ruby themselves are capped?

[weary drift]

Yes rubies are capped

[languid mauve]

Makes sense lol can u imagine if not

2 tick slower attack speed with 70% increased max hit and always max hot

[slim crag]

And besides, I'm pretty sure the echo thermy weapon is meant to pair with Devil's Element and will most likely be a powered staff if it's anything like the regular trident

[wicked mountain]

ye was wondering about that too

[languid mauve]

A lot of people say its like the twinflame staff

Or they believe it to be

[weary drift]

But I’d think you’d want diamond anyways, 70% + 30% increased prayer + 2-5% from nodes

[languid mauve]

Ahh true

[plain pasture]

onyx bolts will go ham af, they also heal you 25% of damage on proc.

potential 200-300 damage per hit with all ranged pacts equipped

plus whatever ''double hit'' effect the kbd crossbow oh lord.

[languid mauve]

Pretty juicy

[slim crag]

Well until they finally release the details on the echo weapons this is all just speculation

[plain pasture]

im ngl i think ranged is the clear winner

[slim crag]

But I was trying to go for a balanced build pre-shadow.

[desert vortex]

what spell u cast with this to make use of earth?

[plain pasture]

the dps output is beyond stupid

[desert vortex]

u arent even using ice barrage dawg

[slim crag]

Earth Surge?

[desert vortex]

omg lvl 35 spell

trash

[weary drift]

Would bowfa be good? If the blessing is the same I might go that and mory

[languid mauve]

To be fair even tho im super confident in my build i really wanna know the echo items before anything is finalized i mean i got no choice as i have no regions chosen yet because of echo items

[slim crag]

This is bait and I will not entertain your nonsense any longer.

[desert vortex]

i think i got my relic picks down, but not my regions nor my pacts

[sinful swallow]

Your atk speed gets 2 ticks longer. But heavy balista should be able to reach over 120 dmg a shot

[plain pasture]

just off information now zcb would potentially be bis weapon in this leagues, and if kbd crossbow is better then that

in terms of raw dps

[languid mauve]

Yup

[languid mauve]

There is another crossbow node that says you always max hit

U can still roll a miss but if u hit its max

[slim crag]

I'm fairly confident that the new staff is a powered staff if it's trident-shaped.

[plain pasture]

if your potential max is 200+, and u always maxhit. nothing can really beat that even if its 7t, 8t, 9t whatever

[languid mauve]

But what does it do tell meeee lol

[slim crag]

Same

[languid mauve]

I just wanna go afk nex solo and never die from my massive water spell onslaught

[plain pasture]

onyx bolts go brrr

[sinful swallow]

I think it will be a power staff that can auto cast spellbook no reason to drop with devils element without that

[languid mauve]

A10-Onyx

[slim crag]

That's what I'm thinking and what I was making this build for

[plain pasture]

also in a build ive just calced up, youd have effectively unlimited ammo.

110% ammo save

[grand dagger]

The devil's element might have been tweaked to enable elemental weakness on powered staves

[languid mauve]

Maybe it will have “spells cast with this staff cast 1 tick faster” or something idk

[slim crag]

120% if you play your cards right

[plain pasture]

was gonna go melee, but its looks terribly underwhelming

[sinful swallow]

Didnt think of that but seems like a waste since best powerd staff is a 2h

[languid mauve]

It would have to be something that only works with echo trident as the other staves dont do type damage

[sinful swallow]

Melee is awesome if you go blindbag halberd

[plain pasture]

also ranged is slept on with thrown weps. oh my

[languid mauve]

Literally my next build

[plain pasture]

stacks your ranged str with 805 of melee str, so ultor ring, str ammy, infrernal for extra ranged str

[sinful swallow]

7range 5 tick halberd that can random strike scyth

[iron prawn]

is it confirmed that ballistas count as crossbows?

[sinful swallow]

Even befor this league balista is listed as crossbow on wiki

[edgy lava]

How come the April 8th reveal hasn't come out on the news page? Is there going to be one today?

[sinful swallow]

Would be wierd not to be

[plain pasture]

what speed is ballista vs normal crossbow again?

5/7?

[edgy lava]

Careful now Icarus

[slim crag]

I still think my build is a really good general-purpose mager build since it makes use of recoil while using a broodoo shield/maledictus ward.

[sinful swallow]

The icon for 70% crossbow dmg is the heavy ballista

[slim crag]

I think I'm gonna go KWZ this run.

[plain pasture]

for ballista to compare with say zcb, it would have to have a base damage boost of over 20-25% vs zcb

plus all the range str u lose for picking kandarin over a ranged dedicated area

[sinful swallow]

I just wanna shoot olms head with a 650dmg grape shot

[languid mauve]

@plain pasture

[plain pasture]

its been a while since i played, but iirc ballista maxed around 79, vs zcb around 74

[languid mauve]

Juicy

[iron prawn]

yeah thanks i found it listed in "ranged weapons" on the wiki

[lapis bobcat]

ballista can get 6 on rapid, normal crossbows cap at 5 on rapid

[plain pasture]

which means zcb > ballista in almost any situation

[languid mauve]

They also confirmed blowpipe is thrown weapon

[sinful swallow]

The rigour 30% boost and a couple other things will make it over 100

[languid mauve]

I dont think yall are excited as u should be

[plain pasture]

base calc rn i have zcb hitting 200+ with dragon onyx bolts

without knowing how strong kbd echo wep is

[lapis bobcat]

to be fair, zcb takes more work to get than a ballista

[languid mauve]

With all the buffs and other nodes thats 1 tick blow pipe hitting 50+

[lapis bobcat]

so it SHOULD be better

[plain pasture]

no

youd want knives + shield

[sinful swallow]

Good thinsg im taking kandarin and asgarnia

[languid mauve]

Blowpipe would still hit higher or eait there are nodes for shields

Hmmmmm

Hmmm

[plain pasture]

yes nodes for shields, and also an effect of melee str stacking with thrown weps.

so you could stack more with knives

[weary drift]

If going ZCB you can just take desert then you have armor and ring and gloves and wep solved with some other decent stuff, so idk ZCB seems pretty nice

[languid mauve]

That could be epic

[plain pasture]

you have unlimited ammo, so all u need is 1 dragon knife drop from wyrms

and ur set entire league with thrown weps

[languid mauve]

Yeah since u can get over 100% ammo regen

[lapis bobcat]

did they ever say what happens if you get higher than 100% regen chance?

[plain pasture]

also this - str ammy, ultor ring, infernal cape > any ranged bis

[languid mauve]

Its just a guarantee to save

[weary drift]

Infinite source of dragon bolts with quiver??

[languid mauve]

Its not like ammo save which was capped at 99%

[lapis bobcat]

so it doesn't generate MORE of said resource?

[plain pasture]

--While a thrown weapon is equipped, ranged strength is also increased by your 80% of your melee strength -- this pact makes your range insane with knives

[obsidian bluff]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/While_a_thrown_weapon_is_equipped%2C_ranged_strength_is_also_increased_by_your_80%25_of_your_melee_strength_

[languid mauve]

i dont think so

[wicked mountain]

well it doesnt generate it REgegenrates

[tacit oyster]

can generate more than 1 per shot

[languid mauve]

So you simply replace certain pieces of gear with torva

[cunning finch]

is there still a dedicated leagues discord?

[plain pasture]

so

[languid mauve]

Infernal cape etc

[plain pasture]

youd go void

str ammy, ulor ring, infernal

ultor

treads

[lapis bobcat]

void is versatile

[languid mauve]

Id just go rancor

[plain pasture]

and your ultor for example would give 80% of its melee str as ranged str - 10

[lapis bobcat]

and 10% ranged damage is no joke

[languid mauve]

U would need big str bonus items or else u would be losing out

[plain pasture]

basic calc rn, is minimum 200 max hit with onyx dragon bolts with a zcb

and thats not factoring IF battlehat is insane stats

as youd have the ranged str + 80% of its melee str stacked

which would surpass void in 1 item

leaving 3 more slots for bonuses

ferocious gloves 14 melee str so 11/12 ranged str

[unique smelt]

Crossbows don’t benefit from the melee strength do they?

[plain pasture]

torva plate/legs etc

for thrown they do

[lapis bobcat]

zcb isn't thrown

[plain pasture]

the 200 is without that effect

[unique smelt]

You only get that benefit for throwns.

[wicked mountain]

do combo runes count as both elements when regenerating?

[plain pasture]

200 i calced for zcb onyx dragon, for thrown ur looking at mid 50s early 60s

assuming full ranged tree

and with crossbow always maxhitting. it would surpass any other style in anyway for dps

even vs 2t shadow

[lapis bobcat]

32% chance to proc onyx bolt effect with zcb, does that get forced by max hit pact?

we don't know how bolt specs interact with that

[plain pasture]

i didnt even factor the proc, proic would increase more

[languid mauve]

Not any style

Magic would still out dos

Dps*

[plain pasture]

no chance

[sinful swallow]

Dont forget echo procs XD

[plain pasture]

guaranteed 200+ every single range hit 7tick, vs 2t shadow maxhit from say 30-150

[languid mauve]

Im talking about thrown set up

That wont out dps magic

[plain pasture]

well yeh thrown would compete surely

ohhh

yeh thrown woldnt compete directly

or maybe it would

guaranteed 65's

2t

vs 30-150 2t shadow

could even itself out

[languid mauve]

Always max hit only works with crossbows

Not all ranged

[plain pasture]

hmmm true

[wicked mountain]

u dont have guarantee with anything other than cbow

[plain pasture]

yeh thrown might not compete with mage shadow

but crossbow would beat anything rn

[languid mauve]

Even without shadow

[wicked mountain]

i think mage tank with ice barrage and thorns might be neat

[languid mauve]

Shadow would compete against crossbow

[tacit oyster]

thrown weapons are good early/mid game, at full build they are weak

[plain pasture]

and thats not counting how op this klbd echo crossbow might be

[languid mauve]

Thrown would barely compete against reg spells

[plain pasture]

if the kbd echo would be OP, anythign else is blown out of the water

[languid mauve]

What do you think next relic will be?

[plain pasture]

it mentions double hti for echo kbd crossbow... imagine 200+/200+ every 7 ticks...

[tacit oyster]

2nd hit is barrage/frost so idk if mage or ranged based hit

[languid mauve]

2nd hit would likely be 50-75% of first

Or like a 10 tick double hit

[plain pasture]

even so, with zcb beating anything else. unless echo kbd is slower it would eb even more OP

[languid mauve]

True

[plain pasture]

i cant see there being anything beating zcb ranged UNLESS the new trident is stupidly op for mage, or the echo melee weps are that strong

[tacit oyster]

it will be between zcb, harmonized staff air or water surge and melee using blind bag and echo range from melee hits. unless echo weapons are stronger

[languid mauve]

I mean it depends on target

Heavy ballistae would beat zcb

If u dont count zcb soec

Spec*

[plain pasture]

i dont think so honestly

[wicked mountain]

can blindbag trigger echo hits?

[plain pasture]

ballista would have to hit around 16% higher than zcb

6t vs 5t

i think in live game its about 75 zcb vs 79 ballista

[tacit oyster]

should be able since it attacks as if you were holding it

[wicked mountain]

true

[wary egret]

What does ChatGPT think about all this

[languid mauve]

Using best possibly bolts with zcb u still wont hit a 55

Ballista is 60 with dragon jav

[plain pasture]

so a 10% diff

zcb still pulls it

6t vs 5t is what like 16-19% speed diff

[tacit oyster]

if melee takes range tree echo buffs then the echoes can never miss, have extra 15% chance for echo and have 20% chance to max hit

[languid mauve]

Faster attack speed makes zcb better

[plain pasture]

so youd need 16-19% extra damage on ballista

but also -- by picking kandarin your losing a LOT of range bonus from other areas

[languid mauve]

Your also not factoring in about 20 other in game weapons

Aye of ayak will surpass ur zcb

In dps

[plain pasture]

no chance xd

[wary egret]

Is collo best dragon bolt source for non fremmy pickers?

[plain pasture]

1 tick attack speed, but 8 less maxhits base

and no guaranteed maxhit

[languid mauve]

Oh wait that is a powered staff

Lol

[plain pasture]

''1 handed powered staves have 1 8 less max hits''

[languid mauve]

[plain pasture]

8*

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/i-like-turtles-zombie-kid-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-tortoise-tortuga-gif-16340543

[plain pasture]

so youd lose a massive amount of dps just with that as magic damage is based off base damage

im sadly thinking range has taken the biscuit this time round, i was hoping for melee lul

[languid mauve]

Im still going to play them all

[plain pasture]

u can interchange throughout?

[tacit oyster]

colosseum easiest unless you are somehow doing nex* when you need to get them

[languid mauve]

To the point il going to have 3 running endless harvest at once

So the other 2 are ready

[plain pasture]

ohhh multiple accs yeh

another option is...

lose 4-5 pacts for range

and stick them onto mage 2t shadow

sou have seondary attack style

[wary egret]

Ranged strength is increased by 1 for every 10 hitpoints difference between your current hitpoints and Hitpoints level

Thoughts on this one? Waste of a point?

[plain pasture]

i mean if ur going range focus not wasted by any means

[languid mauve]

We have one that does opposite

[plain pasture]

you can maxout range with the pacts

[tacit oyster]

useless. +9 range str if you are at below 9 hp. does not work on overheal

[languid mauve]

Increased mage damage based on how much ho we have

20% at 99

And which my build ill have 180 hp overheal

[wary egret]

That’s what I was thinking. Coupled with thorns healing etc

[plain pasture]

shadow caps, but potential for ayak

[languid mauve]

Thats what 39% increased magic damage?

Not talking about shadow i also believe they removed cap for l6 but that could be wrong

[plain pasture]

ohhhh

could be potential

wouldnt beat, but near enough to it your gonna get competing vs zcb forsure

[languid mauve]

Zcb gonna make vorkath cry

[plain pasture]

shadow will be a close second to ranged zcb looking at it

the other option is....

go full focus on crossbow and shadow half/half

ignore thrown aspect

[languid mauve]

I think on some mobs t bow will deatroy shadow

[wary egret]

Any info on what happens if you have 110% rune regeneration?

[plain pasture]

yeh tbow will be huge also, but even so zcb > tbow in 995 of cases

[tacit oyster]

4 tick tbow with basically no damage buffs

[languid mauve]

Nothing official but im certain it just stops at 100% and guarantees regen

[tacit oyster]

you profit with the extra runes and ammo

[languid mauve]

Damica over here trying to crash the ironman g.e

[tacit oyster]

Regeneration can go above 100% and will not be wasted
At 100% regeneration you will not lose runes/ammo, at above 100% you'll start profiting them

[plain pasture]

unless something is released whereas melee/mage take a huge buff. such as echo items im defo going ranged.

[tacit oyster]

i will be duping dragon onyx bolt (e)

[plain pasture]

the dps output just eclipses anythign, its crazy

[languid mauve]

I dont see a point going above 100%

[plain pasture]

transmutation dragon knives > crystal knives?

[languid mauve]

we need more crystal weapons

[wary egret]

If you profit them then it sounds like it elevates the air/water rune generation pacts

[languid mauve]

And crystal armor needs to affect them

Crystal whip

[plain pasture]

crystal harpoon thrown weapons actually sounds rather fun

[languid mauve]

New bis slash

[plain pasture]

ngl l0l

[languid mauve]

Crystal javs

[tacit oyster]

if you can proc double range echo it is worth it, if not then i will just get few extra max hits by removing 35% ammo regen

[plain pasture]

thrown crystal shards new bis?

[languid mauve]

Crystal salt shaker

https://tenor.com/view/president-stops-president-smiles-ominous-smile-ominous-no-answer-gif-78197234359887585

[plain pasture]

oh cant post pics here

[languid mauve]

Rip

[plain pasture]

was tryna show the range route for bis

🙁

[true pine]

can you get elite void without T

[undone snow]

will the powered staffed charged with earth runes from the grotesque guardians echo count as an earth spell for demonic pact?

[languid mauve]

Im pretty sure no but they did say some stuff would br auto completeld

Usually diary stuff is they me tioned their being a chance to finish them

Just not confirmed 100%

[languid mauve]

Powered staff will not count as using that rune or runes spell

Powered staves and spells are classified as two different groups in the pacts

[plain pasture]

i think elite void is t/k both

but normal void is almost as good, 2.5% diff is very minor in terms of what youd lose for range picking k or t

[slim crag]

You don't lose items from PKers if you pick the Wilderness, right? Or am I mistaken?

[languid mauve]

U will regenerate runes for that powered staff but not get benefits of “earth spell gives u this special thing”

[languid mauve]

They changed that 🙂

Magic is a 5% buff now

Not 2.5 anymore

[plain pasture]

you dont lose them, but they go ur gravestone in deaths coffer/home. at a cost to return i believe

[slim crag]

Just wanted to make sure.

[plain pasture]

oh im thinking normal > elite for range. mage void is not worth in almost every circumstance

[slim crag]

I'm sure there will still be some shitters, though.

[plain pasture]

mage void can be beaten by reg items in almost every area

[languid mauve]

There always is specially people trying to do wildy orayer

[plain pasture]

wildy npc will be locked down for sure

revs/wildbosses

wild slayer etc

[slim crag]

Training prayer in W makes no sense if you pick the echo shards relic

[plain pasture]

wild slayer will be broken af

[slim crag]

But that's just me

[plain pasture]

larrans keys provide almost all resources youll need, skipping need for certain skilling relics

and with slayer relic, guaranteed larrans every superior kill will stack hundred per hour

[languid mauve]

I hope that last relic is good

[plain pasture]

im picking minion 99.99% locked in

the 3rd pick has to be some kind of god tier relic that blows me too to beat minion

[tacit oyster]

i wonder if someone is going to do crazy mage skill tree only build with combination runes to proc all 4 rune regeneration effects

[copper gorge]

Im taking larcenist.

[plain pasture]

mage will be interesting for sure, depending on effects of new trident wep

[copper gorge]

You gotta make the combo runes and shit. Feel like thats going to be harder than most realize.

[languid mauve]

I thought i was only one. Im not sure anything exists that would make me pick anything but minion

[copper gorge]

Im not taking minion

I hope last thing trumps whatever flask is but ill take flask over minion

[languid mauve]

Minion gonna go brr

[tacit oyster]

just need to take desert for scar extracts or soul harvest + lunar spellbook

[plain pasture]

my current plan so far is;
abundance > forager > evil eye/TBD > butlers > larcenist > slayer/TBD > reloaded/transmutation/TBD > minion

[languid mauve]

I only know i want endless harvest and minion lol

[plain pasture]

i was gonna go endless, but now i think of it. butler will grant me unlimitedresources overnigth while i sleep. so any kind of gathering relic is pointless if picking butler

[languid mauve]

Waiting for echo item details before i decide on region and waiting for relics to be filled

Right but keep in mind

Ur butler is only doing 1 action

[plain pasture]

i could go sleep set butler to processfor me, and i dont need to ever gather

night 1 food, night 2 smith etc

[copper gorge]

Butler im not taking. I thought i was but the herbs its gunna get me are gunna be mostly tarromin and harralander

[languid mauve]

While you got your butler cutting logs mine will be cooking the 50K+ 0 time fish and while hes doing that ill be mining the 40k iron ore he will be smelting next

[plain pasture]

butler gathers only, then has chanceto process what he gathers

[languid mauve]

Nope

[plain pasture]

you cant process what u already have in bank (from description anyway)

[languid mauve]

Process is a separate function

[plain pasture]

Additionally, the butler can also process these gathered items for you but at half the rates listed above:

''these gathered items'' implying only those he gathers.

and ties in with half the listed, as it halves the hourly production

[copper gorge]

Hate it but thats how i read it as well

[plain pasture]

yeh, but it may assume if you process what he collects

[copper gorge]

He will go get raw materials, if you choose you cant give him raw materials to process

[plain pasture]

it doesnt state items you already have

[languid mauve]

If they failed another description and you cant make him process on command i wont even pick the relic at all

[plain pasture]

for example 5k raw fish only, vs 2.5k cooked

but its still insane either way

if your offline 10 hours, thats 6k raw/3k cooked items

[copper gorge]

Thats why im not picking it. Endless harvest solves 90% of what he does minus herbs and the herb tiers are kinda shit.

[languid mauve]

Na i wont pick it if he doesnt process on command

Im picking endless either way

[copper gorge]

~45% are tarromin and harralander

[plain pasture]

butler alone makes abundancethe only reasonable choice for t1

[wary egret]

Butler not giving gathering xp is a dealbreaker for me

[copper gorge]

Butler sucks

[languid mauve]

I work a lot and want to get that free xp resources out of the way when im working

Lets all report butler

Obv scam

[copper gorge]

Does butler not give gathering xp? I thought he did

[plain pasture]

i think u underestimate it brother

10 actions per minute, is 600 per hour, 10 hours is 6k items

[wary egret]

It’s just processing xp I thought

[plain pasture]

even with 1% being highest tier items, thats insane for sleeping xde

[languid mauve]

Its probably still best option for that tier

Maybe transmutation

[plain pasture]

transmutation from what it appears only works on raw items, not processed ones.

so u cant do bars, but u can do ores for example

[copper gorge]

You might be right

Transmutation is the pick and is op as fuck

Solves any skill

Except herb

[plain pasture]

youd still have to process all transmute upgrades urself

[wary egret]

I can see an angle to butler then reload transmute to upgrade everything he gathered but still meh

[copper gorge]

Can turn cow hide into black dhide, can turn sapphire into dragonstone, can turn bone to superior dragon bone.

[plain pasture]

transmute is a potential for me, to be decided

but only on relod, not main pick for that tier

butler is superior to transmute in every way realistically. just for the fact its 0 time when ur sleeping

[wary egret]

You will still have to train gathering skills though at which point you’ll have a surplus of stuff

[plain pasture]

im not maxing, or attempting too in anyway

so ill gather untill i done tasks/got the lvl i need

i dont see any point in maxing as the maxcape is garbo compared to time involved

[short sphinx]

please share your melee builds in here I'm trying to get inspired. all i know is im going hali

[plain pasture]

id love too but after seeing pacts, range is no brainer for me :(. was hoping for op melee but meh

[short sphinx]

see even tho range is op

[wary egret]

Melee is a meme build

[short sphinx]

i did range last leagues

[languid mauve]

there are some sleeping melee builds you just gotta look

[smoky raft]

mage gang wya

[languid mauve]

right here buddy

[short sphinx]

im melee boy this league ill die on this hill

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/allisongoingcrazy-water-water-bending-gif-13238503