leagues-general

[minor summit]

That is why planning is a skill

[shadow badger]

Gives people incentive to pay for more accounts

[minor summit]

You can't hardlock this skill tree

[toxic vortex]

I mean

you can

[minor summit]

You're going to easily choose a GOOD path

[rigid junco]

say there was bankers note and you could than reset your relics

Youd abuse bankersnote until you leveled everything than it becomes worthless so you reset it the next reset

[shadow badger]

This is better for casuals since they can experiment twice without locking in their build

[minor summit]

3 resets is nice

[rigid junco]

than now im suddenly forced to go bankers note first and do ALL the grinds associated with it first before i can actually do the fun stuff

[shadow badger]

I don't think relics are reset

[minor summit]

you can explore all three combats

[rigid junco]

yes but im giving an example for why limited resets is bad

either all the resets or no resets

[toxic vortex]

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1DxE7A0kiB9xACIQBQxABTgA&name=Hally%2FBow%2FWater

[rigid junco]

compromise maybe is that on the last reset unlock you get unlimited resets

[manic prairie]

40

holy

[minor summit]

there's nothing bad, sheesh, go rain on someone else's parade

[rigid junco]

why? just do one magic, reset, one melee, reset, one ranged

[minor summit]

40 points!

[sterile lake]

do we know if u can stack resets and use them at any time or is it a "kill the echo boss, choose to reset or lose it"

[minor summit]

I guess we don't know that yet

[rigid junco]

than on the last you hybrid to clear up wave content

[toxic vortex]

I would assume they can stack

[minor summit]

bro hally line alone is only 9 points!

[fast owl]

Respecs being limited is expected but still pretty disappointing, the tree is so much more complex and varied than past leagues

[shadow badger]

Probably stacks

[fast owl]

Being able to trade in like an echo orb or a megarare or something for a respec would've been ideal

[lilac geyser]

I am all for making us work for the resets, but limiting them to a certain number is bad.

[minor summit]

at LEAST we get to respec, you people need to stop looking a gift horse in the mouth

they could have easily been like "no, just bond up another account and give us money"

[fast owl]

Not being able to respec would've been absurd though, it's not exactly a gift

That would've been riots right away

[toxic vortex]

everyone should spam @midnight ravine with the https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/ site to ask them to whitelist it

[minor summit]

more so than this "bs" you naysayers are complaining about

[toxic vortex]

oh for sure

[rigid junco]

the issue is this will cause people to minmax the skilltrees and hard lock themselves to optimal bosses till they are greenlogged

[minor summit]

skillissue

[rigid junco]

sry that when i play runescape i wanna do what i wanna do, if i wanted to hardlock myself to 1 activity for 2 days id play a uim

[sleek wraith]

40 points????hehehehehe

[minor summit]

Well, considering you don't own a single aspect of this game, you can't "do what you wanna do"

[shadow badger]

If minmaxers wanna minmax that's their problem man

[minor summit]

You have to do what you are paying Jagex to do for you

[molten gust]

40 points gives a decent amount of them without giving too much.

[rigid junco]

if it was hardlocked i wouldnt feel the need to max out 1 activity

[minor summit]

If you truly want to do what you wanna do, code your own game lol

[rigid junco]

now thats just rude

also i own 2 CVC stocks for the memes

[vocal plover]

that's a tweak take

[rigid junco]

you are objectively wrong

[minor summit]

I am objectively blunt, I can't help how you decide to take the response

You would have been upset if they DIDN'T allow respecing, either way, it's a lose /lose for you

[vocal plover]

nah people like osrs cus u can mix and match what grinds you do, not being forced to stick to one for 1230 hours is the fun part, telling ppl 'u dont own anything u do what jagex decides' is just kinda weird lmao

[rigid junco]

from my experience people saying they are "blunt" actually just wanna have a shield for being [censored word]

[lilac geyser]

I think giving out three different options that you can switch between would also be a fair alternative

[shut copper]

Just make us use a bond to respec? Sounds like a plan!

[vocal plover]

like saving ur build and making a new one?

[manic prairie]

getting all 40 seems hard

[lilac geyser]

Yea, so you can return to it

[toxic vortex]

id be okay if they added an additional cost to respec after the 3 you get from echos

[vocal plover]

thats valid

[toxic vortex]

like "10m per respec"

[fast owl]

That's a good middle ground

[rigid junco]

what would that even be? GP?

abundance suddenly hard meta

[fast owl]

Because like it isn't really three different specs, it's more like 8-10

[minor summit]

You must not have much life experience then. I can be "censored word" yes, but only when people are being insufferable and ridiculously difficult

[vocal plover]

GP, echo orbs, maybe a drop from an echo boss if they're locking resets behind echo bosses

[toxic vortex]

yes gp

[manic prairie]

i hope the battlehat isnt just an offensive hat

i hope it has tank

[rigid junco]

nah i wrote the word out originally, sadly the server blocked it

[toxic vortex]

I just threw out a number

[minor summit]

Same lol

[minor summit]

Sorry, I'm a little heated. I felt you were bringing me down a bit (all on my own accord)

[ivory radish]

Can we use arceuus library for runecraft training if we go kourend

[manic prairie]

kourend has equip radiant oathplate

thats a skip

[rigid junco]

so what you are actually saying is i am rude when people disagree with me, im sorry thats a really bad mindset for debates

[toxic vortex]

of course you can

[copper gorge]

So 40 points total can reset after each echo kill if you want

[minor summit]

No, I said what I meant 🙂

[rigid junco]

i mean with all the buffs you get the hardest part here will likely just be getting the contracts

[rich rune]

Do you have a source for that?

[smoky raft]

holu shit

[tacit oyster]

We've split them out across the different areas which means you'll get:

9 from global tasks (with 2 given during the tutorial)
4 from Varlamore
6 from Karamja
7 for each additional area unlocked
You can unlock these resets by completing the following tasks:

Defeat 1 unique Echo Boss
Defeat 2 unique Echo Bosses
Defeat 3 unique Echo Bosses

[manic prairie]

todays blog

[rich rune]

Thank you ❤️

[minor summit]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/demonic-pacts---overview?oldschool=1

[toxic vortex]

40 points total. you get 1 respec for each unique echo boss you kill but only 3 respecs total

[minor summit]

Looks like Wifi Halberd is back on the menu!

[toxic vortex]

is the tl;dr

[rigid junco]

if respecs are possible at all i dont see the reason why we cant just respec as much as we want

[molten gust]

Major notes. We got 40 points to use. There is a calculator which they made with the wiki people to help deciding. You’ll gain resets for the first 3 echo bosses you kill. You’ll gain the points via tasks/combat achievements things. They got lists for the task in the blog in the description of the video along with the calculator.

[shadow badger]

Is bluetooth halberd worth going for if you only have access to dragon halberd

[manic prairie]

wilderness has the easiest tasks for combat imo

[toxic vortex]

unique echo bosses

[minor summit]

there's no 💰 involved for Jagex

[manic prairie]

and has a good echo weapon

[rigid junco]

relics?

[smoky raft]

because then what's stopping you from just respeccing for the meta of whatever your next boss is

[shadow badger]

Then people will just respec for every boss

[copper gorge]

Repeating what i said, now i know how my wife feels.

[rigid junco]

nothing, what is why im suddenly forced to do these idk, 6 specific bosses till i got all their tasks done before i can reset to do anything else

[oak trout]

This, plus the whole point of leagues is making meaningful choices that lock you out of certain buffs. Everything is already a buff, if they gave us too much it wouldn’t feel meaningful

[minor summit]

You really are THAT upset

[rigid junco]

so instead of reseting for the meta every time i catagorize all my bosses into 4 builds

[toxic vortex]

I mean yeah leagues is all about weighing the choices of your decisions

[rigid junco]

and than im forced to finish these with those builds

[minor summit]

So, Branchpelt won't be playing this leagues lol

[tacit oyster]

with resets it gives you more reason to plan the order of regions and bosses

[rigid junco]

because it promots boring gameplay

[oak trout]

It basically gives you two free attempts at a build before you have to decide (if there’s 3 resets). Better than being stuck in one you don’t like after 4 weeks of grinding

[smoky raft]

it promotes looking before leaping

[copper gorge]

If you read the above blogpost, they literally, and i mean literally, spell out leagues is designed to have choices matter and not be able to reset your choices.

[minor summit]

then unsubscribe, jeez. Not too many people are whining

[rigid junco]

than why have resets

[smoky raft]

honestly I wouldn't be against no respecs at all

[oak trout]

The fact that we get ANY resets is a huge QoL improvement from previous leagues

[minor summit]

If you can't use your brain and think before you click an object to lock it in, Semi-permanently, maybe you shouldn't be playing leagues at all. Considering relics are a permanent choice, or fork up extra bonds for more specs?

[rigid junco]

its clear you are arguing in bad faith, since all your arguments are: than dont play, so im just gonna ignore you now

[oak trout]

For us meticulous planners we probably don’t need any, or maybe one reset, but for newer/casual players it seems reasonable

[shadow badger]

Make a build and stick with it

Resets are for the people who made bad choices or the casuals that want to try things out without optimising stuff

I'm making my build and sticking with it till the end

[copper gorge]

Why have resets? They probably realized for a majority of players this would be overwhelming

[fast owl]

I think it's just trickier compared to previous leagues because it's so much less linear and you don't have three build options, you have like ten

[minor summit]

clearly you are complaining without sound argument. You are just mad, that's IT

[oak trout]

Would also be fun to full switch if you get bored later in leagues

[molten gust]

It also gives the option for if you learn about a crazy combo later on as people play. Will be able to change things ip.

[latent magnet]

You just know there's gonna be some weird bug at the end like negative range spec

[rigid junco]

i have made my arguement and i havent seen anyone argue against it

[copper gorge]

18 different combinations i think they said

[wary egret]

Resets aren’t just for fixing mistakes. It’s for getting to play different playstyles

[rigid junco]

[smoky raft]

inb4 crossbow relic somehow reduces attack delay instead of increasing it

[minor summit]

It just follows the lines of "Can't please everyone." Not like they'll fix it for you. So, have a good leagues lol

[tacit oyster]

that and some combat styles just cannot realistically have fun time with certain content. Like melee inferno was always regular zuk fight

[minor summit]

I typed it

learn to read it

[smoky raft]

FUCK I can't deep dive into this right now even though I really want to

[minor summit]

I can't either

Been awake nearly 25 hours

[smoky raft]

I have to do this commission or I'm not gonna get cash to buy my silly little treats

[minor swan]

anyone know what kind of ranged weapon a blowpipe counts as? The range pact tree has bows, crossbows and "thrown weapons". Not sure if blowpipes would fit under thrown weapons or not

[vocal plover]

thrown weapon

[copper gorge]

"While this ethos is still instilled throughout Leagues VI, it is important for us to recognise not only the sheer scale of the new Demonic Pacts but this element of experimentation we are trying with the new system." Jamflex

[tacit oyster]

im probably going for melee start with the amoxliatl echo weapon

[rigid junco]

no, my concern is that this design philosphy promotes boring gameplay

because now you are forced to minmax groups of bosses due to resets being limited

this promots boring gameplay during the league

part of why osrs is great is cause you can do what you wanna do when you wanna do it.

I dont think being forced to do X boss for all their tasks just because its what my current pacts are fore and than i cant do them anymore cause i dont have another reset is bad design

[tacit oyster]

they might still change how the demonic pact system works since they are in late testing phase for it

[shadow badger]

Thrown

[minor summit]

Branchpelt [KGB], — 11:25 AM
its clear you are arguing in bad faith, since all your arguments are: than dont play, so im just gonna ignore you now

I don't take anything you say seriously, because you can't even hold true to your convictions or do what you say you are going to do. lol

[rigid junco]

mb, i really should have just blocked instead of ignoring you, good catch

[minor summit]

Sorry Damica, I replied to the wrong person lol

[smoky raft]

"forced to minmax groups of bosses"

I plan to stick to the same exact build for every single boss I fight

you're only "forced" to do that if you really REALLY need the meta strat to carry your ass through

[fallen fossil]

Hi

[smoky raft]

hi battle toad

[minor summit]

Hello

[smoky raft]

sorry, Battle Toad because capitalization is important

[rigid junco]

im not a gm so yeah, i need to do that

[copper gorge]

They realize people are going to pick the wrong shit are going to have a bad time and then want to give them an out.

[shadow badger]

Exactly. I'm not planning on using a single reset unless I accidently make a mistake in my build.

[copper gorge]

They also are giving them an out but have to get through the unique echo bosses in each area.

You cant just reset willy nilly.

[minor summit]

Yeah, you have to think before you reset

[copper gorge]

Its still semi permanent. You also dont have to reset.

[smoky raft]

anyway YOU!!!!

what is YOUR planned pact route? I'm thinking hybrid earth mage/thorns myself

[tacit oyster]

now im even more curious about the weights of those echo weapons, hopefully they add that info in the reveal on 10th

[minor summit]

Which is why we are getting 1 week to play with the planner knowing full-on the rules of the tree

[shadow badger]

I think only the dogger is gonna be a light weapon

[minor summit]

That should be plenty of time to play with saved builds and tweak things

[blissful fiber]

40 points is surprisingly generous

[smoky raft]

you know what

fair enough

[minor summit]

with 40 points that is possible

[smoky raft]

I was fully prepared for it to be like. 24

[latent magnet]

They'd fix that real quick. Stuff like the slayer helmet bug and negative range spec stayed in until the end. Far outclassed every other option too

[minor summit]

but don't worry you can respec it 3 times and ball w it x3

[shadow badger]

I called it was 40 and they hated me for the truth

[minor summit]

I was scared to even get excited to do 20

[toxic vortex]

I didn't hate you I just didn't think they would actually give 40

[blissful fiber]

specing into thorn and using the cerberus dagger, i can go about that with 24 points, so thats good

[shadow badger]

Nah I know just joking

[blissful fiber]

i could use the remaining 16 for switch

[smoky raft]

me when I said they wouldn't be halving attack speed

immediately followed by me saying the combat mastery system would be replaced by a skill tree

but LOOK AT ME NOW

[manic prairie]

I might do wildy just for the easy combat tasks

[latent magnet]

The idea was that you lowered your range bonus below zero so you'd always fail accuracy roll (but hit anyways bc of t8 range), wearing shit like Justi, and then you'd use the specialist relic with a Zcb and get 100% rate on refund, allowing for infinite specs. Slayer helm perc gave you slayer bonus on ALL monsters and not just slayer mobs.

[minor summit]

You get 2 points right out of the gate

[shadow badger]

Well that one was more obvious since they said it was gonna be non-linear this time

[manic prairie]

Hardest one is just killing corp

[shadow badger]

Mine was just a complete guess

[smoky raft]

it was a good guess though!

I mean it WAS correct

[minor summit]

A guess that is proven to be correct is still what sheep said

[manic prairie]

A web isn’t a tree

You got it wrong

[minor summit]

A web can be in a tree though

[smoky raft]

fuck you're right

it's like 3 trees

[shadow badger]

I would recommend getting the -3 tick attack speed for powered staves for all builds

[smoky raft]

I honestly don't expect the 1t powered staves to be that good

[shadow badger]

Went from a food chain to a food web

[minor summit]

And we are the Apex species?

[latent magnet]

Yeah they're fast but paper

[smoky raft]

I mean it'll be good don't get me wrong but I imagine they'll end up around hte same place as 1t blowpipe in previous leagues

[latent magnet]

Look at rs3 damage and it's similar I think

I mean like similar feel

[minor summit]

rs3 dmg? you mean the thousands

okay lmfao

that makes more sense

[latent magnet]

Where you get constant 1t splats

[lavish jewel]

problem with 1t weapons is that you can't move or you lose alot of dps

[latent magnet]

Scaled down it's similar

[vocal plover]

which website lets you plan your route?

[minor summit]

I'm here for this

[tacit oyster]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/

[vocal plover]

bet

[fallen fossil]

I just wanna get some points for the rewards that interest me and dip

[toxic vortex]

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/ theres also this one

[latent magnet]

My guess is that 1t staves are gonna hit for like 18-22 max

[minor summit]

that countdown one lets you save your builds and name them

why b/c that one pact that reduces dmg by 8 max?

[shadow badger]

That's almost a 100 dmg in 4 ticks

[smoky raft]

I never plan to get the outfits, they're way too expensive for what they are, but I do plan to get most of the rest and then some stuff from older leagues too

[fallen fossil]

Toad's Battle Plan

[latent magnet]

Depends which one it modifies

The base max hit or post scaling max hit

[fallen fossil]

⛹️

[minor summit]

the crossbows max hits will take 4.2 seconds so that's pretty comparible tbh

[latent magnet]

If it modifies the base max hit of the Trident then that makes more sense

[smoky raft]

I made this glamour plate for the whip orn kit and now I have to have it

[minor summit]

that's kinda sexy

[latent magnet]

Woah

Brutal

I wanna do that now

[minor summit]

I bet you'll get Rhianna to play osrs now!

[latent magnet]

Lol

LOL

[minor summit]

eh it was better than my other joke earlier. Man, it was sad

[cosmic shoal]

signs up

[minor summit]

dude...with All the ranged icons selected....only 36 points wtf

[smoky raft]

ok I've also gotta look at the task lists because frankly aint no way I'm gonna get all 40

[minor summit]

wait...

it IS confirmed that EVERY node is only 1 point right?

[shadow badger]

Yeah

[smoky raft]

but definitely in the 30-36 range, I'm just not going for, like, inferno stuff

[minor summit]

okay b/c some said minor/major/master or whatever

would be some shit if if were like 1, 2, and 3

[toxic vortex]

not but its not unheard of to be able to invest multiple points to increase the effect of a node

[tacit oyster]

ayak would be highest hitting powered stave, this would be "max" gear with culling spree. 109 magic would still have max hit of 30+ even if the -8 is applies before any multipliers

[shadow badger]

Each pact will cost 1 point and if you gain all of them, you'll have a total of 40 Pact Points!

[minor summit]

I mean true

[shadow badger]

They haven't mentioned any douple dipping

[pure karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YlM2PIrqxg

[pure karma]

this is sick, needs animated fire though

[old tapir]

sang probably beats ayak if they're both 1 tick

[shadow badger]

How's it compare to shadow

[smoky raft]

I mean you could probably figure out something with the WAR plugin, I've seen people do crazy shit with that

[languid mauve]

do the overhealing with demonic pacts nodes stack?

[old tapir]

yeah

go get your 190 max health

[tacit oyster]

same bonuses

[toxic vortex]

no but it was something I was looking out for

[gentle rune]

This is my leagues planner

[languid mauve]

i got a nice mage build cooking

[minor summit]

190 max health would pair PERFECTLY with the "Ranged strength is increased by 1 for every 10 hitpoints difference between your current hp and hitpoints level" without having to be in the "danger zone"

[tacit oyster]

shadow would be similar to ayak even without the -8 max hit on ayak

[smoky raft]

water I'm guessing?

[shadow badger]

This is my build

[minor summit]

You could lose 90 hp and still be fine lol

[gentle rune]

Its cool but you should get all the neutral nodes

[old tapir]

very much predicated on whether that kbd crossbow enables the water spell nodes, unless you're wanting to run 2 styles

[smoky raft]

just a bit too low to tank 2 back to back jad max hits lmao

since jad can max 97

[old tapir]

hopefully the jmods start answering questions soon

[gentle rune]

My build have 90% prayer pen

[smoky raft]

why

[gentle rune]

Wait a minute

[minor summit]

yeah and you could still NEVER tank Zuk isn't his max like 250?

*148 nvm

[smoky raft]

could tank it

[gentle rune]

Yeah 90

[tacit oyster]

leagues discord has a lot of answers, not much updating here or in blog though

[tough finch]

40 points is more than anyone predicted

[minor summit]

jeez, imagine tanking Zuk with the 15% chance to also reflect 100% damage back

[latent magnet]

God I love how they're basing this off of Leagues 3. I loved the combat relics from that leagues, but the drop system felt bad and the whole system was too limiting. This feels like a perfect realization of Leagues 3. Relics for Skilling and support, pacts for combat.

[smoky raft]

@shadow badger they doubt your power

[shadow badger]

I predicted it ☝🏽

[minor summit]

True, they did

[tacit oyster]

30 minimum was for proper build, around 50 for max single style or 2 strong styles

[latent magnet]

40 points confirmed?

[old tapir]

think my burning questions right now is that, and whether you can do the funny 6 scythes blindbag

[minor summit]

Most people were hovering the 20-25 range

[tough finch]

They said unique weapons for blind bag

[minor summit]

holy fuck

wall of text alert

[toxic vortex]

40 points, 3 respecs

[latent magnet]

Hell yes

[smoky raft]

I plan to go full pillow fort this time

I'm talking +50 perm def and recoil effects out the wazoo

[latent magnet]

We are so up

[toxic vortex]

1 respec earned for each unique echo boss killed

[latent magnet]

40 points lets me full spec into bows and get ranged echo hits off of melee

[toxic vortex]

max of 3

[minor summit]

I am hoping the multi-hit thing works like I hope it does hehe

[old tapir]

indeed
charged and uncharged scythes, 2 with holy kit, 2 without kit, 2 with sang kit
technically 6 unique weapons

[minor summit]

charged and uncharged scythe count as two unique?

[smoky raft]

me and my 6 pet megarares

[toxic vortex]

dh axes at different states of degradation

[minor summit]

what? areyou cooking???

[old tapir]

[smoky raft]

taking my gaggle of scythes for a walk

[languid mauve]

ok well fine i'll just do it on my own

[tough finch]

Why cant i, hold all these scythes?

[cinder remnant]

No relic today huh

[minor summit]

Fuck relics

lol

sorry still high on the 40 points

[smoky raft]

I've got a feeling they're gonna reveal the other T7 relic last

[toxic vortex]

will still be a 2nd reveal today

so probably a relic

[minor summit]

If so, it MUST be a game changer

[old tapir]

they confirmed we have 40 points?

[toxic vortex]

yes

[cinder remnant]

Cool

[old tapir]

oooo

[shadow badger]

Yeah

[languid mauve]

yes

[smoky raft]

yep! they also detailed exactly which tasks give points

[minor summit]

chrono, chrono chrono

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/demonic-pacts---overview?oldschool=1

[languid mauve]

they also released the full list if u watch the video on how to earn points

[minor summit]

take a look at one of those lol

[languid mauve]

30-32 of the points are EXTREMELY easy to get

[cinder remnant]

The wiki calculator is nice

[languid mauve]

after that it starts to go up in difficulty

[minor summit]

what's that?

[languid mauve]

last 3-5 points not being easy

[smoky raft]

most of my planned regions have stupid easy points as well

[languid mauve]

same 😄

[minor summit]

what are ur regions

[smoky raft]

like I was gonna do these things anyway

[minor summit]

Wait just doing those tasks....give you the

[languid mauve]

i was shocked they did 40 but i cannot complain makes my build that much better, although i'm at a point where i can't really invest points to make magic any stronger lol

[cinder remnant]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?_gl=1*acm4j6*_gcl_au*MjAxMDM1MjIyNy4xNzc1NTk2NTE0

[tacit oyster]

Complete Tzhaar-Ket-Rek's Special challenge (400 Points)

[minor summit]

oh

I was confused

[toxic vortex]

depends on which challenge

[tacit oyster]

gl getting that skill point

[toxic vortex]

oh, all of them?

[languid mauve]

isn't his special challenge all 6 jads

[tacit oyster]

its 6 jad league special with all inferno mobs spawning in waves

[blissful fiber]

isnt it the special challenge from last league?

[toxic vortex]

well there are several

[languid mauve]

theres one for 3, and then special challenge as well

[cinder remnant]

Yeah and you unlock them one by one

[minor summit]

6 jads plus special other mobs

[cinder remnant]

So probably end up doing all of them

[languid mauve]

3 is easy

beyond 3 is not easy

[minor summit]

yeah but the special challenge is harder than 6

[toxic vortex]

you should get up to the third one right away

thats how it was last year

[cinder remnant]

Oooh

[minor summit]

it's constant prayer flicking and timing

[languid mauve]

yeah free points

[cinder remnant]

Very excited

[toxic vortex]

oof, 25 tobs on mory

[cinder remnant]

I saw and 25 cox

[languid mauve]

did they release task list or seomthing

how u know 25 tobs

[smoky raft]

yeah it's in the blog post

[cinder remnant]

Yes on blog

[minor summit]

not just a corrupted gauntlet, equip a corrupted weapon

[toxic vortex]

That same blog post has all of the tasks that are tied to pact points

[tacit oyster]

seems like kourend and asgarnia have hardest tasks for skill points out of selectable regions

[toxic vortex]

Per region

[smoky raft]

this part

[toxic vortex]

^

[minor summit]

bro wilderness one is CAKE

[languid mauve]

ahhh ty

[minor summit]

unless crashers

[toxic vortex]

Yeah corp might be the hardest one outside of voidwaker

[shadow badger]

Bruh that shit as hell wtf

[toxic vortex]

just because you need all of the pieces for that

[shadow badger]

Meanwhile I have to kill 150 liz shamans

[tacit oyster]

Equip a piece of Radiant Oathplate (200 Points)

[minor summit]

at least they didn't say "equip an elysian sigil"

wait Radiant

I hate Yama

I went 600kc for the GridMaster drop

[tacit oyster]

need to do all radiant contacts and get 90+ rc to make radiant

[shadow badger]

I have 0 Yama kc

[languid mauve]

this is going to be the greatest leagues we've had

i'm so excited

[stone barn]

Anyone know if >100% regeneration rate on charges may regen more than 1 rune? or it just caps at 100?

[shadow badger]

for now

[minor summit]

Yama was trivial with the Tbow

[toxic vortex]

def

[cinder remnant]

Until they release god league 7

[manic prairie]

Wildy also has like 2 gear unlocks max tho

[minor summit]

League 7 - The Seven Seas. All sailing leagues

[minor summit]

hm?

[smoky raft]

league 777

gambling themed

every drop is a random item

[minor summit]

OOOOH

[toxic vortex]

fremmy seems relatively easy

[minor summit]

lol randomizer league

[toxic vortex]

awakened duke isn't actually that bad in a league environment

magus ring is slightly annoying because of prep, but the fight is easy

[tacit oyster]

idk i only ever did awakaned duke in league with 100% accurate tbow

[cinder remnant]

Dude we don’t know about that secret echo penguin tho 🤣🤣

[minor summit]

What do you mean?

[shadow badger]

What abt echo broodoo victim

[minor summit]

Echo Gout Tuber. It is unaffected by the "Minigame multiplier"

You have to get 99 farming and find the Echo Shovel

[toxic vortex]

you need the dragon shovel first to upgrade it to the echo dragon shovel

[minor summit]

Echo Elvarg to get the Dragon Shovel

It's like Echo One Small Favour

[shadow badger]

One Big Favour

[wary egret]

If you go wildy can blindbag proc from looting bag swords?

[minor summit]

Inventory I'm pretty sure only

[shadow badger]

No

[wary egret]

https://tenor.com/view/darn-it-shoot-shucks-dang-gosh-gif-16474715

[minor summit]

Imagine.....they fixed the bugs to "Second Inventory" relic from Leagues 2, and that DID work lmfao

[latent magnet]

Very ez

[tacit oyster]

i know for sure im not taking morytania or kourend as 1st region option. getting no skill points there early on

[latent magnet]

Tob is the easiest raid in leagues

[toxic vortex]

Yeah, just the time for it

[hushed patrol]

has it been stated if combo runes count for regenerating both base runes. For example using a mud rune would proc both the water and earth demonic pacts?

[minor summit]

This year, it'll be easy AF to solo raids

[latent magnet]

They're like 10 minutes each right

[toxic vortex]

idk about that

maybe if you are very experienced with tob

[shadow badger]

Defeat Nex Solo (400 Points)

Bruh

[toxic vortex]

also, what qualifies as a corrupted weapon

[latent magnet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/wwe-wwf-dudley-boyz-10JKmswzsuKvZe

[smoky raft]

bowfa and saeldor I would imagine

[toxic vortex]

ah

right

[shadow badger]

Wallahi I'm cooked

[languid mauve]

corrupted just means permanent

[latent magnet]

Solo Nex with a heal build is easy pz

[minor summit]

Gotta expose the weapons on the internet for 10 years to get corrupted

[tacit oyster]

not bad with max gear and buffs, last league i was solo farming it for 300+ kc

[languid mauve]

water mage lol

[minor summit]

Which max gear?

[languid mauve]

be playing water bender in osrs

[minor summit]

Max Melee is FROM nex?

[tacit oyster]

max range

[minor summit]

oh

duh

[toxic vortex]

So far I've been pretty locked on mory. also considering T

[minor summit]

I hate the Gauntlet

I am not interested in t

[toxic vortex]

yeah but echo cg skips the prep part

[languid mauve]

i' might go mory just because of tob, but unsure yet, i need full details on echo items before i can decide on region

[minor summit]

DrEggMan...I struggled my ass off during Grid Master....

I did it on PC, and Mobile, like 50 attempts.

[shadow badger]

I might skip Asgarnia since I get oathplate from Kourend

[minor summit]

somehow I finally did it on mobile at work lmfao

Just turned my volume up and told my co-workers to leave me alone

[tacit oyster]

i was thinking either asgarnia or kandarin for crossbow build

[toxic vortex]

going to upload a bunch of stuff from the leagues disc

[minor summit]

YAY

[toxic vortex]

here

[shadow badger]

I might actually go kandarin since I've never been there

[vocal plover]

ngl im now thinking kandarin and wildy for crossbow and mage

ooo atlatl buff to be thrown weapon

actually nice

[shadow badger]

"The ranged strength bonus from having lower health doesn't consider your potential to be overhealed"

[languid mauve]

thats why i'm waiting for echo detail release, i want to see what kander echo items do

[tacit oyster]

regen can go above 100%, now just need to know if extra ammo can do extra range echo hits

[toxic vortex]

Big news in there, blindbag will work from 7 tiles out

it is per attack, not per hit-splat

blindbag attacks with a scythe will give multiple hit-splats

[minor summit]

so..if a spell cost 4 air runes....it can regen 4 at once?

[toxic vortex]

and unique variants do count

[tacit oyster]

crossbow with 2 echo hits for total of 500 damage per shot would go hard

[toxic vortex]

so ornament kit scythes and various degraded dh axes will work

[dark carbon]

have they said if the cost of a skill tree node will go up deeper into a tree?

[minor summit]

They are wrong....Bulwark is clearly a door

[shadow badger]

Time to multiwield scythes

[toxic vortex]

1 point per node across the board

[dark carbon]

thats confirmed???

[languid mauve]

they verified each node is 1 point

and will not be more than 1 point

[toxic vortex]

I wouldn't have said it otherwise

[dark carbon]

awesome, thanks boys

[minor summit]

We weren't technically wrong about "one handing/dual wielding scythes" it's just better than that lol

[tacit oyster]

Ranged echoes triggered by a melee weapon roll off melee defence

this is actually big for melee

[minor summit]

chins count!

[shadow badger]

Damn I planned my build yesterday and everything fell into place perfectly

[languid mauve]

same

[minor summit]

@old tapir - Scythes only trigger BLINDBAG onCE PER ATTACK, not per hitsplat unfortunately.

[shadow badger]

How hard is HMT solo

[toxic vortex]

but you do get the multi-hits on the blindbag attack

[minor summit]

true

[shadow badger]

And the 6 scythe combo

[languid mauve]

not hard at all, tob is one of easiest raids on hmt

[minor summit]

I fixed it

[languid mauve]

its actually quite enjoyable

[minor summit]

it only triggers blindbag once per attack

[shut gulch]

hey, you guys know how accuracy bonuses are working?
I mean e.g. I have 30% chance to hit a mob and 50% accuracy bonues does that mean that my final accuracy is going to be 45? Or is the accuracy bonus going towards the attack role and a 50% accuracy can mean a much higher chance because of how the hit roll is calculated ?

[old tapir]

but how do you know

[minor summit]

uh it was pasted ^

[minor summit]

this

[languid mauve]

nylo room can get annoying, and finaly boss, can sometimes outheal u if ur not powerful enough to out dps the healers or kill healers

[minor summit]

overhealing doesn't count toward the ranged str bonus from missing health

[shadow badger]

Guys which is better for melee alongside Kourend and Tiranwnn: Asg, Frem, or Mory

[minor summit]

for 2h weapons?

Frem for the Bis helm?

[blissful fiber]

ah crap, defender is not a shield
uuuuh
whats the best option then?

[minor summit]

for a shield?

[shadow badger]

Tis be me build

[blissful fiber]

ye

[languid mauve]

if it has shield in the name its not an offhand, and if it's an off hand it wont work as a shield

[minor summit]

pretty build....hmmm I mean.....Asg can give you some variable unique heavy melee weapons

[old tapir]

this is nice but doesn't answer the crossbow thing i wanted to know

[shadow badger]

Erm actually Dinh's bulwark doesn't have shield in its name 🤓☝🏽

[tacit oyster]

Very op atlatl + melee is now op start for varlamore since they updated atlatl to work with thrown weapon nodes

[toxic vortex]

what are you wanting to know

[shadow badger]

Actually I think I'll stick with Asgarnia

[minor summit]

shit sorry, what was that again

[shadow badger]

I don't wanna do 25 tobs

[minor summit]

lol jeez

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[old tapir]

does the kbd crossbow trigger water nodes if you have the ice = water node

[cinder dew]

Anyone got the faq notes

[rustic hinge]

I have a question if anyone knows the answer. If you wear the full guthans set but the melee weapons in your inventory are other weapons will those weapons when triggered by blindbag also trigger guthans set heal effect?

[toxic vortex]

no

[rustic hinge]

Damn, thanks

[toxic vortex]

now, if you had a bunch of guthan spears in your invent

[minor summit]

Would multiple Guthan's spears trigger that effect?

[shadow badger]

Effect is tied to weapon so I doubt it

[toxic vortex]

yes, if you had them in the various degraded states

because they are unique IDs in game

[shadow badger]

Just get guthan's spear 100 75 50 25

[copper gorge]

Why does it matter? Cuz it rolls one of each?

[toxic vortex]

Because it only counts unique items

[shadow badger]

So you have higher chance to get the effect

[silent depot]

No reelics today?

[minor summit]

does Verac's work against Echo Prayers/Overheads?

[toxic vortex]

we haven't had a second reveal yet

[toxic vortex]

no reason why it wouldnt

but I don't think a lot of people were using veracs

[silent depot]

I thought so, cheers

[minor summit]

You see where I am going with this?

[toxic vortex]

Not really, because you can get prayer pen through the skill tree

and use better weapons

[copper gorge]

Ranged melee might break my brain

[minor summit]

ah

But, meme

[copper gorge]

Being 7 tiles away hallying something gunna be weird

[minor summit]

Being 2 tiles away two hand bopping someone is too

[tacit oyster]

I am thinking of running something like this for start and then respeccing after couple region unlocks. Basically atlatl + echo amoxliatl weapons which would easily be enough for colosseum https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-11-157-161-17-18-19-2-22-25-32-33-34-43-5-74-8-82-83-86

[fickle pine]

coming in for the first time today, how many combat perks to you think we will get out of the 120ish total?

[tacit oyster]

confirmed 40 skill points, last 5 or so will be extremely difficult

[fickle pine]

beauty ty

[toxic vortex]

3 respecs total

[empty pagoda]

I don't like that it's only 3 respecs.

[cloud panther]

Ha I was right when I said 40 points!

[empty pagoda]

With so many options experimentation with them would be important but limiting the respecs discourages it. It forces you to get it right immediately.

[fickle pine]

respecs? permanent changes or 3 oscilating builds

[toxic vortex]

perm

[fickle pine]

dope

[tacit oyster]

can reset skill tree up to 3 times

[toxic vortex]

^

[tacit oyster]

first 3 unique echo bosses killed give reset charges

[toxic vortex]

@fickle pine https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/demonic-pacts---overview?oldschool=1

[empty pagoda]

So if you mess up three times you're outta luck.

[fickle pine]

Thank you for the resource my friend

[toxic vortex]

well, technically you get 4 builds

so you can mess up 3 times, but not 4

[empty pagoda]

I suppose like many things in life before locking in a choice, read it extremely carefully and ask questions if it's unclear.

[barren dew]

Is there going to be a relic reveal today, or are they saving them for the livestream tomorrow?

[smoky raft]

the humble subway map:

[vocal plover]

i wonder how much defense you can get max

[fickle pine]

+60

[smoky raft]

Currently set up with:
+60 Def
+130% Accuracy
+90% Overheal
+120% Regen

[vocal plover]

is that including the regenerate runes = +1 def per rune

[smoky raft]

no, that caps at an additional +20 iirc

[vocal plover]

aaa fair

[smoky raft]

so technically could hit +80

it's worth noting that the resulting 179 Defense is all multiplied by prayers

[vocal plover]

damn wonder how hard u can hit with max earth then

[smoky raft]

well the earth flat damage bonus will cap at around 14-15 ish

but you could get your effective defense level up to 224 with piety

[cloud panther]

is that including using super combat?

[wary egret]

Is earth or water mage tank with thorns a stronger build? I feel like earth and then water to heal up

[solid night]

tree buffs dont stack with pots

[smoky raft]

visible boosts don't stack, so defense boosting potions won't actually increase it at all

[solid night]

or other buffs

[cloud panther]

ahh

[wary egret]

Is anyone putting any points into pray pen?

[smoky raft]

not really

not much for me to use it on

[cloud panther]

There aren't a lot of mobs that pray

[solid night]

i have a feeling you'll need pray pen for things

echo bosses and new stuff

[smoky raft]

things and stuff

[wary egret]

Sol, echoes, toa, nex are ones that come to mind

[vocal plover]

ngl i'll just kill echo bosses naturally and then live without pray pen

99% of content has no pray overheads

[shadow badger]

I put 1 point into it

So 15%

[smoky raft]

I've got 30% prayer pen

I figure I'll be fine

[shadow badger]

And there's enough points to tribrid

[vocal plover]

yeee exactly

like imo 15-30% prayer is kinda mid if you can just put skills into another style and slam with that at full damage output

[coral basin]

If im not looking to pointsmaxx, does it really matter what my region choices are outside of "i think they look cool"

[vocal plover]

doing 15-30% of my max dmg on my preferred style isn't ideal when i can use another style to rinse the enemy at 100%

[toxic vortex]

If you want to brute force content, you can get more prayer pen. But it's not necessary

That's why it's in the side trees

[vocal plover]

every region gives same points, so just pick whatever is fun for ur build

[unique stone]

where can I see the Husky discord post with the FAQ ?

[shadow badger]

It's good for when the enemy swaps prayers and you have to spend time swapping gear

[vocal plover]

im thinking kandarin wildy as my potential 2 picks so far, lets me make an air/earth mage into a demon crossbow with the kbd echo weapon

ehh i rather spend 1-2 ticks swapping gear than hitting coughdrops, but ye its easier and lazier so valid picks too

[wary egret]

Wildy 100% pray pen griefing build sounds fun

[toxic vortex]

I'd imagine there's a cap for pvp

[vocal plover]

tbf dying in leagues is funny more than anything, u dont risk stuff so yolo

[tropic mantle]

"In general, most pacts don't work in PvP, we just didn't have the time unfortunately."

[shadow badger]

"But what if it-"

"It won't."

[toxic vortex]

Hmmm

Test time

Fuck

[coral basin]

If i wanna go tanky melee thorns build, what would be good regions for me. This is my first league and im not super familiar with everything

[toxic vortex]

Okay, so I can say fuck but not the other thing

That's certainly a decision

[shadow badger]

Shit?

[toxic vortex]

No

[vocal plover]

off the top of my dome kourend justi for dinhs bulwark and justiciar armor, but theres prolly similar combos elsewhere that are easier to get

i meant kourend mory

[toxic vortex]

If someone was purposely being annoying to you, you might refer to them as a certain part of the male anatomy

[coral basin]

Currently im thinking kourend mory desert

So thats nice

[vocal plover]

wow you'll have to farm raids out the wazoo lmao

[shadow badger]

Penar

[coral basin]

Ive never done raids before

I think this will be a good way to get accustomed lmao

[tranquil mortar]

leageus makes you blow through the raids so there is nothing to worry about.

[vocal plover]

raid regions have a lot of points behind doing a lot of raids, so 3x raid regions might get annoying over time

[rugged spruce]

Sorry if it’s been answered but is the demonic pact blog today the reveal, or is there more coming? The April 8th slot is still labeled as “???” On the leagues blog.

[vocal plover]

there might be a 2nd reveal soon actually since its still ??? and following the previous days there'll be another reveal

[unique stone]

pacts do not work in PvP

[sinful swallow]

they said pacts are reduced

[tardy terrace]

Where is our relic reveal today, JamFlex?

[tropic mantle]

no they said "In general, most pacts don't work in PvP, we just didn't have the time unfortunately."

[coral silo]

Would a combo rune like lava be affected by both the fire and earth elemental stuff in the demonic pacts?

Or neither?

[tropic mantle]

the runes the spell cares about

[coral silo]

Right but a spell that cares about fire and earth can instead consume a lava

[tropic mantle]

yes

you get refunded an earth/fire rune though

[tacit oyster]

https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-101-11-112-113-114-122-123-135-139-140-141-145-146-44-46-55-56-57-58-59-60-61-68-7-71-8-81-84-87-92-93-94-95-96-97-99 Cheese to get final point from special jad challenge

[regal spindle]

Is it yet known if we have to do a bunch of questing in leagues or if they got unlocks auto completing quests

[cloud panther]

gee wilickers zimmity dippity do batman, that is one heck of a spec

[full wagon]

I don't know if it's cope on my side but I wish they just allowed unlimited resets on the combat tree or make it a drop from the echo bosses randomly.

[shadow badger]

Then people will just grind boss -> respec -> grind another boss -> repeat until all boss tasks done

[full wagon]

Why not?

[fickle pine]

so earth and def boost + pots = 226-250 damage?

[regal spindle]

Is it yet known if we have to do a bunch of questing in leagues or if they got unlocks auto completing quests

[vocal plover]

250damage? where'd you get that number

[shadow badger]

Leagues should have you think about your choices, not just pick whatever and then respec for whatever else later

[tacit oyster]

wiki has the confirmed numbers, you only get +1 damage every 12 defence levels

[shadow badger]

3 respecs is more than enough for non-casuals

[full wagon]

Never loved that aspect. Most fun I had was in the gridmaster. I just loved being powerful and HATED the regret

[wary egret]

I think yes for relics but for a combat tree this expansive, there should be more grace.

Maybe a progressive cost that doubles every time you respec

[fickle pine]

earth boost from attacking (30 ticks + 5 attacks), +60 def in perks, the flat damage from the master tier perk, plus pots, earth surge uses 10 earth = 224-250 damage per hit no?

[fickle pine]

oh nevermind then

[vocal plover]

i wouldn't mind infinite respecs if they had a caveat, like either a cooldown between respeccing to not promote constant swaps for bosses, or difficulty with getting them like sacrificing echo items per respec

[shadow badger]

And most people were finished with Gridmaster in 1 day to 1 week and hated it because of it

[tacit oyster]

so i was right and you do not get to 2tick attack on spells without harmonized staff

[shadow badger]

Could've made echo Yama a giga boss and put respecs behind killing him

[full wagon]

I did it twice. Thought it was fun. Took me a few days. I don't know why there is a need to lock choices when it's limited time. Just let the community go crazy

[shadow badger]

You have 3 respecs
What are you doing that you need more

I'm not even planning on using mine

[copper gorge]

Usually theres a good bit of the "entry" quests auto completed but you will have to complete some

[vocal plover]

omg i forgot standard spells are 5tick

[shadow badger]

DT2 is autocompleted but prereqs aren't

[vocal plover]

is twinflame staff good for standard spells or about the same to just casting as is

[shadow badger]

Absolutely

But it doesn't have surge spells

[full wagon]

I don't know. Maybe I get a bulwark and want to try a defensive build? I feel like leagues in the past has been hampered down at times looking for specific loot. I think it'd be fun to play more dynamically and try new things. Maybe I won't use 3 respecs but I also don't know how the league will play out yet

[vocal plover]

so does basic surge outclass it?

[tacit oyster]

twinflame would be slightly better than normal staff if you are using wave spells instead of surge

[vocal plover]

or about the same again

[tacit oyster]

twinflame cannot double cast surge spells

[vocal plover]

yeye thats why i said standard staff surge > twinflame wave? or more so asked if that's the case

[tacit oyster]

yeah twinflame significantly worse for surge

[vocal plover]

bet

[shadow badger]

Twinflame has 6 tick attack speed so it'll be 4 tick vs 3 tick for other staves

[cloud panther]

or 2 tick for harmony

[vocal plover]

im pretty sure echo items have new effects now from the blogposts, if so im itchin to see the thermy ones

[languid mauve]

if there is no reveal today why is todays reveal still blank

[copper gorge]

I mean with it only being 56 days its kind of hard to respec. You gotta really commit time

[tacit oyster]

todays reveal was 1 video and blog

[shadow badger]

"Taking into account the slower attack speed, the additional hit, and the 10% damage bonus, the twinflame staff has an effective (approximate) 28% damage bonus for standard spellbook spells. Compared to other autocasting staves, it will typically outperform most options other than the dragon hunter wand (against dragons) and harmonised nightmare staff until 95 Magic, when Surge spells are at their full power. Compared to powered staves, it is a stronger option for most enemies without an elemental weakness until ~80 Magic. Against opponents with an elemental weakness, it can outperform most powered staves other than the Tumeken's shadow."

[vocal plover]

very nice

[tacit oyster]

Tomorrow reveal probably replaced with the Q&A, maybe they will finally answer questions from this discord

[cloud panther]

I think It really depends what the staff from echo thermy

[vocal plover]

ye i hope it has a mix of standard spell enchancement and powered staff shot, kinda like the wildy staff

[cloud panther]

If going magic I think Kandarin is an obvious choice though

[solemn kiln]

hey is there no reveal today?

[toxic vortex]

not sure if you were answered, some quests are auto completed depending on region picks but not all

[toxic vortex]

brother

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/demonic-pacts---overview?oldschool=1

[wary egret]

Safe to say earth mage build will not apply to gargoyle echo staff right? That’s a powered staff?

[manic prairie]

do you think max accuracy is the same as guaranteed hit?

[toxic vortex]

i doubt it

[shadow badger]

Don't think so

[solemn kiln]

oh I mean relics

[latent magnet]

They technically revealed how combat pacts work in full

[languid mauve]

no because it's "rolling" max accuracy

it's not always max accuracy

[latent magnet]

Haven't updated the blog tho

[full wagon]

I could definitely be wrong. Just never loved the locked aspect of leagues. I would love to min max lol

[languid mauve]

it still can roll a 0

[shadow badger]

Only never miss pact is for ranged echoes with bow equipped

[weary drift]

Just to double check with yall if yall know, the master mage traits only work for spell book spells, no wand hits right?

[vocal plover]

nah idk if your opinion is 'wrong', everyone has their own preferred way of playing, just gotta adapt to how the leagues rules are and make ur best runs lmao

[toxic vortex]

like whacking someone with a wand?

[edgy lava]

Is it just me or are their reveals coming out later and later each day

[weary drift]

Like powered staffs sorry lol

[toxic vortex]

powered would not get the effect I'm pretty sure

[weary drift]

That makes mage a decent splash attack style, aight bet

[manic prairie]

im trying to think if its worth adding accuracy to max tank build or just accept 0 auto attack damage

[languid mauve]

even with crap gear, the node for healing 2 hp and 2 prayer points will activate more often then u think

if thats the node you are referring to

[manic prairie]

i dont know where that one is

the tank?

[shadow badger]

North

[manic prairie]

ye

i have that one in, i just dont know if its worth having accuracy

[languid mauve]

dead center in between mage and melee

[full wagon]

Oh I don't think I'm wrong overall. I play more casually though. I could be wrong as far as I may never touch 3 rerolls. I'll enjoy it and if I somehow burn through 3 rerolls and 40 points then I'll come back here lmao

[vocal plover]

yeee valid lmao

[vocal plover]

do u have it in

[shadow badger]

Top 10 worst things to hear in bed

[manic prairie]

prayer penetration feels like such a bad option you are forced to take for some

[languid mauve]

even if ur naked, most mobs will still hit 0 on u

[shadow badger]

I just put 1 point in it

[languid mauve]

well no Zeus

[vocal plover]

i put 0 in one of my builds

[languid mauve]

there are plenty of bosses with overheads

Nex for example

or muspah

[shadow badger]

Just tribrid

[vocal plover]

^

i had this discussion earlier

[manic prairie]

but reflection isnt a combat style

[languid mauve]

reflection is a strategy

[vocal plover]

for prayer pen to be worthwhile over multiple style paths you'd have to go like

at least 3-4 points into prayer pen

[shadow badger]

Thorns is melee damage

[languid mauve]

well not when ur dealing ridiculous damage every 1-2 ticks

that 15% prayer pen turns into regular osrs main game damage

as if u were using right weapon

[toxic vortex]

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1DxEzA0sCBtxASIQDxwIBBgA&name=Hally%2FBow%2FWater tribrid with +60% prayer pen

[vocal plover]

ooo

[shadow badger]

Death by a thousand cuts with Eye of ayak

[manic prairie]

why powered staff?

[toxic vortex]

1t magic weapon funny

[languid mauve]

this is my full mage offensive with infinite hp

[toxic vortex]

could easily swap it to something else

[languid mauve]

90% overheal too

[cloud panther]

doesnt it say attack tic cant go below 2tic

[toxic vortex]

not for powered staff

[languid mauve]

thats for spells, powered staves can go 1t

[cloud panther]

ah

[tacit oyster]

powered staff has different pact than spellbook spells

[toxic vortex]

That build I linked you could easily swap to one or the other

depending on what you wanted

[manic prairie]

is there a big prayer pen node?

or just smalls?

[toxic vortex]

just smalls

[languid mauve]

What i think i'm going to do, is carefully plan each character i make, so i can fully utilize different types of each style

[wary egret]

Melee builds feel underwhelming. 7 attack range but so slow

[languid mauve]

so instead of making 12 accounts i can make 3-4

[wary egret]

Blindbag kinda fun but feels like it’ll lose its novelty

[languid mauve]

thats a node, u dont have to take it

[manic prairie]

halberd combos hard with grab bag

[vocal plover]

i might at max use 2 accounts since we have respecs, but even then my alt is just for trying dif regions and echo weapons more than styles

[languid mauve]

i think they're all going to be good, people just need to focus and reach the node descriptions

to understand what syncs and doesn't

[tacit oyster]

melee feels like start tree that you then respec out of later or go for melee echo weapon that works with other trees

[languid mauve]

there are also nodes into other trees that help with "all styles" if u read them

[manic prairie]

would thorns roll accuracy?

[languid mauve]

thorns doesn't roll accuracy

[cloud panther]

no

[languid mauve]

because u have a node that always hits

with thorns

/recoil

meaning u never miss, and u never hit below 2

[manic prairie]

you say shit with such confidence

[languid mauve]

because i read every note like a book 😄

node*

it's on the wiki

[tacit oyster]

melee had good potential with blindbag but it cannot multiproc from multihitting weapons so you are left with just range echo on melee weapons

[shadow badger]

What's your opinion on my build

[cloud panther]

with a max thorns build you can do over 100 damage per hitsplat on you

[languid mauve]

that recoil/thorns build does seem epic but getting dins bulwurk would suck

because i really hate cox

[shadow badger]

Go for Dinh's
Spoon a Tbow

[toxic vortex]

I want to know if the extra hit will go to the same target if there are no other targets available

[shadow badger]

What do you mean

[toxic vortex]

Your range node at the end

"when attacking with a thrown weapon, you now throw at an additional nearby target"

but what if there are no other nearby targets

[shadow badger]

Probably not

[toxic vortex]

That is my guess as well, which means its sort of limited functionality

[shadow badger]

My other choice over that is to put more points into prayer pen

[languid mauve]

u dont get it, i really dont like cox, i haven't done it since it was released

[manic prairie]

theres no damage reduction node is tehre?

[toxic vortex]

I'd ditch one of the 5% range echo nodes, ditch the extra thrown weapon

grab the overheal from the magic tree

[coral basin]

How easy is it to find people to raid with in Leagues

[toxic vortex]

and maybe the water rune heal thing

[languid mauve]

techncially there is

[fickle pine]

health regen +overheal is like a damage reduction. it essentially is like a 50% damage reduction

[tacit oyster]

the build is based on range echoes on melee hits

[languid mauve]

but it's such a low % chance to activate

[toxic vortex]

I suppose

[shadow badger]

But my build doesn't really have any pact healing, does it

[toxic vortex]

Well that would be why you'd also grab the water rune healing one

[fickle pine]

damage reflection means you still take that damage

[tacit oyster]

in osrs reflect usually means that you still take damage

[shadow badger]

I was thinking of picking this

[languid mauve]

nope it's preventing by reflection

meaning it's being bounced

well i guess u could be right but that would be bad node notes on their part

[shadow badger]

It's all dmg

[sour pawn]

No relic reveal today?

[languid mauve]

no just two videos

which actually had a lot

[sour pawn]

definitely just asking because on the webpage it is still ??? for today

[manic prairie]

would standing in acid make thorns go insane?

[shadow badger]

Doubt it

[languid mauve]

I dont think it will work on a stationary object

I think it has to be an active hit

[shadow badger]

Acid is an environmental hazard

[languid mauve]

yeah he said it better lol

or she 😮

[coral basin]

Imagine if you could proc thorns on everyone around you by dropping dynamite

[shadow badger]

he lol

[languid mauve]

ok just checking lol didn't want my hbo to get cancelled

[cloud panther]

I am thinking a water/thorns build.

[shadow badger]

Can't wait for someone to fuck up

[vocal plover]

transmutation is calling my name even tho i usually pick clue related relics

[languid mauve]

I'll be honest this would've been me if someone hadn't pointed out it doesn't work on bars and only ore

I'm going to pick the butler

because all the stuff i afk with endless harvest

[manic prairie]

would casting enfeeble be a strat for procing water and earth?

[languid mauve]

is going to be Free xp

from butler

[edgy lava]

Link me where you got this

[edgy lava]

Link me where you got this

[shadow badger]

I was planning on woodsman before hotfooot got revealed but transmute made me go for woodsman again

[shadow badger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1sfxwl7/i_guarantee_you_someone_is_going_to_make_this/?ref=share&ref_source=link

[wary egret]

What’s better for a mage build - desert or mory? Harm staff nullifies ancient need right?

[toxic vortex]

depends, you can just take grim and then you get both

[cloud panther]

grim?

[toxic vortex]

t6 relic

[shadow badger]

Grimoire

[cloud panther]

ahj

[wary egret]

But harm staff can’t cast ancients anyways

[toxic vortex]

cant autocast, sure

can still use them though cant it?

[wary egret]

Fair. Is earth tome basically BIS?

[manic prairie]

tbh i think they should add mud strike to the game asap so i can use both water and earth

[edgy lava]

Where is the pact thing in the picture I was asking about on this page?

[vocal plover]

lava surge

[wary egret]

That’s what I call it when I upper decker

[toxic vortex]

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/

[languid mauve]

it's on the chart for pacts

[languid mauve]

harm staff can't, but regular nightmare staff can

[shadow badger]

Oh that I just cropped that from the pacts planner

I thought you were asking about the other image I posted

[edgy lava]

I see, nah I wanted a website that someone likely made to help organize our thoughts for planning out the league

[languid mauve]

what he posted has that

[toxic vortex]

that website I linked is that

you can pick relics, regions

has the skill tree

[edgy lava]

And I'm glad for it, besides the daily reveals I've been a bit lost because there's a TON of stuff this go around

The pact system working like a for real rpg skill tree is huge,

[shadow badger]

I decided to swap two points

[potent quail]

Blindbag looks for items with the same object ID. So having 4 dharok axes at different degrade levels or 6 different scythe variants (charged/uncharged/ornamented) will count. Good luck getting 6 megarare scrolls and 4 ornament kits though.
morytania stocks are high af

[pseudo gulch]

I cant believe you managed to load the page in the 1 minute window I accidentally left debug node IDs on

[toxic vortex]

@potent quail even more so

Theres no reason why the blindbag attacks wouldn't reduce the cooldown on the flask

[shadow badger]

That would be dope

[fickle pine]

what is the base Percentage chance of blindbag proc?

[smoky raft]

15% iirc

[pseudo gulch]

How do I get a role that lets me post links 😭

[shadow badger]

15%

[smoky raft]

need to have the Rune activity rank

which takes a long while

[toxic vortex]

gotta up your yapping game quite a bit

you can post links, but only links that are whitelisted

[pseudo gulch]

Man

[toxic vortex]

so like, the wiki. reddit i think. youtube

[languid mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-rizz-rizz-gif-11157824601050747846

[fickle pine]

so basically you hold 6 scythes, you get a 25% chance to proc at master perk, then a max hit chance increase of 10%?

[wary egret]

At that point Kodai is better though, no?

Only point of going harm is for the tick boost

[fickle pine]

does it have a chance to proc on each multihit?

[languid mauve]

Well yes but kodai is much harder to obtain

U have to get master wand from mage training arena and then kodai signet from cox

And also have the levels to make it

[shadow badger]

1 proc = 1 attack

[wary egret]

Oh true

[toxic vortex]

multi hit-splats do not count

[languid mauve]

Nightmare staff is technically bis weapon in terms of difficult but you can get weapons with only 10% magic damage % and lose the 5% but have an easier time to obtain them

Or any of the sceptres too

[sharp shuttle]

kodai drops as a completed item no?

Items that drop as components that require multiple regions to create a usable item will drop as the finished item.

[wary egret]

Is earth tome bis offhand?

[wary egret]

I thought about this too

[languid mauve]

I completely forgot about that, but still cox is harder than nightmare phosani

[fickle pine]

I like moon spear in this combat, especially is you focus fire and water spells

[shadow badger]

No it is not man what

[wary egret]

It’s more time consuming. Definitely not harder though

[languid mauve]

For which build? Earth build? Technically yes if ur using exclusively earth spells or the ancients converted into earth

[fair spruce]

No relic announcement today?

[shadow badger]

Well yeah it's a raid vs a boss

[wary egret]

I guess earth and water

[languid mauve]

Cox is 50x harder than phosani noghtmare

Nightmare is just standing in specific spots phosani just punishes for mistakes

[edgy lava]

Who else here taking time off work for leagues

[languid mauve]

I also hate cox

[shadow badger]

That is every boss in the game

[languid mauve]

So that plays a part

[smoky raft]

currently thinking kandarin+asgarnia for my mage build. Any ideas for a third region?

[languid mauve]

No phosani more than any solo boss

[fickle pine]

isnt the release today the exmplanation on how we can aquire combat perk points?

[smoky raft]

they've been doing 2 reveals per day

[languid mauve]

Already released

[fickle pine]

then kourend for the final for bis mage gear? Ancients

[languid mauve]

I got lucky and got my two standard days off on first two days of league

[fickle pine]

ahh understood

[smoky raft]

I'm not planning on doing any raids this year tbh

[languid mauve]

I got nothing until i know full echo items details on regions

But i do have my set in stone pacts planned

Full obliteration offensive water magic unkillable with 180hp

[fickle pine]

fremennick for the ring then?

[toxic vortex]

how can you have your pacts set in stone without knowing more about the echo items

[toxic vortex]

there is no combined ring

[smoky raft]

mage tank, gonna be using suffering

[edgy lava]

I originally wanted to take 2 weeks off for it but we're short staffed so I got lucky and at least got the 1 week so I can no life the whole league

[shadow badger]

Frem has magus ring

[languid mauve]

Because the items wont change my starter plan only the second round

It will affect my regions and relics though

[languid mauve]

I had a week off requested but had irl issues so could not take it off

[fickle pine]

what are you considering then?

[shadow badger]

I only cared about the crystal blessing

[edgy lava]

That is unfortunate

[shadow badger]

Wildy for mage cape

[weary drift]

I’m curious if the crystal blessings will affect different styles this time.

[languid mauve]

U are right though i guess it could alter somethings based off weapon of choice but it wouldnt change more than 2-5 pact points

[prisma zodiac]

No reveal today?

[mystic lagoon]

How many pacts do you get at once?

[shadow badger]

They said some new power so it might affect all combat styles

[weary drift]

If it does then priff got a lot better

[shadow badger]

2 from the tutorial

[languid mauve]

You get none except the first one whoch still uses 1 point

[smoky raft]

this might be the plan actually... malediction ward / arcane spirit would be nice too

dagon'hai for before virtus

[mystic lagoon]

Sorry, I meant in total. I wanna theory craft (ish) the pacts I wanna use. But I don't know how many pacts we're going to be able to use at any one time.

[molten gust]

So seems like they are not doing a relic today? Guess making up for giving three yesterday. Since didn’t have one on the 6th too.

[languid mauve]

My biggest problem is if they consider “offhand” just not things with shield in the name

[shadow badger]

40

[languid mauve]

40 total confirmed points although last 2-6 depending on ur pvm skill level will be much harder

[fickle pine]

I am assuming anything that fills in the offhand slot, like a dual weild weapon also counts

[rugged spruce]

Im still holding out only because April 8th is still marked as "???" on the blog.

[shadow badger]

Pretty sure dual wield weapons count as 2h

They don't fill the offhand slot

[fickle pine]

pretty sure it will be both

[molten gust]

I guess that is true. We will see it seems.

[languid mauve]

And im specifically referring to mage as a mager wont use w defender

I just want to know where it stands for pact purposes

[toxic vortex]

for example, karamja has two tasks tied to pact points. 1 is to wear an infernal cape. 1 is to complete tzhaar-ket-rek's special challenge

the special challenge is hard

Well, karamja has more than just the 2

[shadow badger]

Pretty sure devil's element is offhand

[toxic vortex]

but those are the hardest

[toxic vortex]

it is

[languid mauve]

Yes thats what im thinking too which is why i wanna wait for full echo details on 10th

[toxic vortex]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/demonic-pacts---overview?oldschool=1 this has everything about the pacts