I'm expecting like 30 - 40 pts
#leagues-general
ebon hearth
free instant respec would be cool, just maybe have to go to a certain npc and not just on the fly
manic prairie
trading in an echo orb for a respec?
idk how they could do it
but missing out on stuff sucks
smoky raft
honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the number of points you can get is pretty high up there but the tree itself has weird restrictions. A lot of the nodes had a note about "the ink has settled"
shadow badger
free instant respec would be cool, just maybe have to go to a certain npc and no...
Nah then everyone will just swap meta builds depending on which boss they're currently grinding
minor summit
"Ink has settled" confirmed Swampletics relic XD
ebon hearth
"water spells heal you" hey see i wasnt crazy when i suggested water means healing
fellow avatar watching developer
old tapir
"Ink has settled" confirmed Swampletics relic XD
guy named ink wanted for bodysnatching 
old tapir
did you know those nodes are just how ancients work on rs3 as a baseline
fun fact
it makes sense that they dont in osrs because this game is sidegrade central
but the thought process for them doing it in rs3 was probably something like "kinda dumb you can't take advantage of magic substyle weaknesses if you're on ancients"
manic prairie
we cant have good stuff
good stuff makes all the bad stuff look bad
and we cant have that
coral silo
Anyone know if Transmutation will let us go directly from pure essence to wrath?
Or do we have to climb through the tiers?
minor summit
I think you have to do it through tiers. It only auto Transmutates the stack, kind of like how Golden God did to a noted stack
marsh hull
I think it's a climb up/down
Do you all know if they are adding a butterfly/impling net?
Otherwise it will be bare handing butterflies until you get a huntershop
marsh hull
Ya, but you need to catch imps in jars before you can get it. Unless that has changed, I'll keep reading the posts
minor summit
Oh. True. I do know you start out with 2 jars, idk Bout nets
smoky raft
you do know barehanding is actually more effective than using a net, right
minor summit
You don't say? How so?
smoky raft
provided you have the level
minor summit
Just coded that way?
marsh hull
Yes, but I do not want to wait until lvl 25 to do rubys. Bird hunter is rough
smoky raft
yeah, nets have a reduced chance to catch. The magic net is the same rate as barehanding
it's stupid! but it's in game
marsh hull
True true
minor summit
I was watching a video breaking some stuff down.....if we can get into Perious Moons dungeon without needing the skill requirement, aren't there things you can harvest at level 1 that give a small amount of hunting experience? If you choose abundance, it may benefit
marsh hull
Perilous moons is auto completed, interesting
minor summit
Lemme try to find that video
smoky raft
honestly the biggest benefit to that imo is the pickaxe shop
immediate access to iron-rune picks makes barbarian gathering even less worth it imo
marsh hull
You also have Up to addy axes from the axe shop in ardenvale
shadow badger
immediate access to iron-rune picks makes barbarian gathering even less worth it...
Okay but you can't punch rocks, pick boy
minor summit
https://youtu.be/wthtLV8rjds?si=yVWmDiAvhi7C5L7R
At 4:35 talking about Abundance and Grubby Sapling
And in the comments someone said they tested it and you can pick them at level 1 hunter
shadow badger
And in the comments someone said they tested it and you can pick them at level 1...
That was with drained stats so we'll have to see if it works when you actually have lvl 1
minor summit
That was with drained stats so we'll have to see if it works when you actually h...
True, but with drained stats, doesn't the game read it as "1/99" your level is too low" or whatever
Just as an example
shadow badger
Some things use base level instead of actual level so it would have to be tested
shadow badger
If I have drained attack below 60, can I still equip a dragon weapon?
Could test it rn
Just go to trollheim with a dscim in inv
shadow badger
i'm guessing weapons take actual level into consideration similar to magic spells
Draining magic locks out higher level spells
Though using base level for magic would be busted
marsh hull
So what I am thinking is just to WC to 35 and see if people have figured it out by then. Because if it doesn't work, teaks are next to the swifts
shadow badger
So what I am thinking is just to WC to 35 and see if people have figured it out ...
Yeah endless or barb both solve mining, wc, and fishing, so just do those until the speedrunners figure stuff out lol
marsh hull
exactly
sturdy heath
Hello
marsh hull
welcome
minor summit
Could test it rn
Confirmed, can equip at 59/60 attack
sturdy heath
666
shadow badger
Confirmed, can equip at 59/60 attack
W
sturdy heath
How to join the voice party and watch stream
shadow badger
Confirmed, can equip at 59/60 attack
So hunter traps might be based on base level then
minor summit
Maybe. But, it says on Wiki those Grub things require level 1 hunter, even though the quest to get in there require level 20 to start it
chrome ravine
Make stew and see if you can still do a skill.
minor summit
Tbf Faux was all over the place in that video
chrome ravine
I can try smithing rune in a bit if I have the spices. I have 85. I just need to drain it.
Or if I get diseased.
minor summit
Yo!? I forgot the Transmutation relic works on seeds!?
wary egret
is there a chance next T7 relic lets you respec instead of taking another relic?
minor summit
Hmm, maybe it could be a relic that doubles your points lol
minor summit
is there a chance next T7 relic lets you respec instead of taking another relic?
Idk though, maybe?
wary egret
I oddly hope it is just because i want to try a million different builds with this format
chrome ravine
The only way to try new relics in the past is to use a new account.
wary egret
The only way to try new relics in the past is to use a new account.
i meant respec the pacts
marsh hull
Respec tree/Reload talent makes sense
chrome ravine
I think those pacts seem similar to what Deadman did. There's just way too many for them to lock us in.
molten gust
They said you can. But not sure if its gonna be a cost thing or something.
chrome ravine
I don't think a relic would be required if so.
marsh hull
Maybe the respec tree would be unlimited?
minor summit
I hope for a future leagues (they won't because of JaGreed) a way to Prestige.
chrome ravine
Maybe a cooldown of sorts or a price to pay to Yama.
molten gust
But at this time. My current plan is barb, woodsmen, evil eye, transmute. After that it gets harder since kinda want both farming and soul shard one….
minor summit
I wonder why Yama is being so "nice" he is a Demom that offers pacts in main game to be challenging for a chance at a reward. I know it is Leagues and to be fun, but it is still a Yama themed League.
coral basin
I mean for me at least, if you're taking transmute i think soul harvest gets less valuable because transmute is a (worse) prayer solve
And transmute turns runes into essence so you never have to mine it
minor summit
And runes will be easy as piss to buy
marsh hull
Okay for those trying to 100% Rat Catchers isn't auto completed. Is there a way to access the port sarim tunnel w/o it? Medium Tasks (Asgarnia) Visit the Port Sarim Rat Pits
molten gust
Only issue is it gives notes runes. Will have to run essence the whole time for it.
minor summit
At 8x experience, if you can transmute at the same rate as high alch, it'll be over 960K mage exp/hour
chrome ravine
For me abundance, woodsman, evil eye, clue and I'll see how it's going by then.
coral basin
BG hotfoot map transmute NA
I will say transmute + na is the sickest combo of all time because you literally have access to the entire farming table off rip
coral basin
I think BG is super valuable just for the free crystal tools alone
wary egret
im waffling between bg and abundance
chrome ravine
I will say transmute + na is the sickest combo of all time because you literally...
This is why I want the farming one. But without transmute. XP rates are high enough that seeds from woodsman and activities will get me enough seeds.
minor summit
Woodsman is useless for Seeds. I was considering it until Transmute revealed
wary egret
abdundance seems like it synergizes well with transmute
coral basin
Hotfoot because i like agility shortcut skip (works really well with map). Since im taking NA, i dont think i need forager and woodsman is just ok to me
minor summit
Originally I was either EH+HF, or BG and Woodsman
coral basin
Im planning on going Zeah, so im just going to go black out at Tithe Farm and wake up with 99 farming
coral basin
The other tier 7 relic is gonna have to be absolute fire for me to not reload it up
wary egret
For me money is just the bonus after transmute reveal. A limiting factor for getting full use out of the +10 is getting the materials to leverage the advantage, but not anymore
minor summit
Can you imagine....EH and Reload into BG 🙃
minor summit
Although Transmute reload into Butler is decent synergy tbh
chrome ravine
Endless harvest into butler to process.
minor summit
Oooh
minor summit
Does he have his own inventory?
coral basin
Yeah
chrome ravine
Can you give him stuff?
coral basin
He can process what he gathers if you like
minor summit
Do we know hia stack limit?
wary egret
Although Transmute reload into Butler is decent synergy tbh
i might argue the opposite, collect the materials while you climb to the next tier
coral basin
I dont think he has a limit
marsh hull
My plan for farming is trees, herblore is going to be mastering mixology? Or just Super attack, strength, def, and combat by transmuting herb seeds, compost, flower seeds, and bush seeds
coral basin
Can you give him stuff?
No hes self-contained
minor summit
Interesting....
coral basin
Basically its pocket kingdom on drugs
wary egret
should get a good distribution too
chrome ravine
That's kind of weird. So you either forfeit him processing the resources if you collect them?
minor summit
EH can still skip HF, get Butler and still get Gathering and Processing experience
coral basin
That's kind of weird. So you either forfeit him processing the resources if you ...
Yeah its an option if say you dont want to turn the herbs into unfinished potions
wary egret
That's kind of weird. So you either forfeit him processing the resources if you ...
if i were to take him id put him on materials until reload, then after reloading transmute switch him to production
coral basin
But he will give you xp if he processes them
minor summit
He turns logs into planks but you get fletching exp instead of Con.
molten gust
The butler one is just a different pocket kingdom in the shape of a person.
minor summit
I didn't like the idea of pocket kingdom, but butler is kinda Jeffrey (from Fresh Prince of Bel Air)
wary egret
if he gave gathering xp i would probably take it
chrome ravine
Woodsman is just gon a solve all my problems early honestly. Tier 3 and 4 relics aren't always so easy to get if you're not aware of all the activities.
minor summit
if he gave gathering xp i would probably take it
Gathering xp is taken care of though
wary egret
if you go EH/BG sure
chrome ravine
10x loot from hunter rumors is a lot. Varlamore just has everything for irons.
chrome ravine
You get a full kit first time you go in.
minor summit
10x loot from hunter rumors is a lot. Varlamore just has everything for irons.
Stop making sense to me, I am already having a hard enough time settling with my own decisions 😂
chrome ravine
And with woodsman means jars don't break.
coral basin
You know whats something i realized recently, map of alacrity is nice because you can go to zanaris whenever
wary egret
10x loot from hunter rumors is a lot. Varlamore just has everything for irons.
i thought it was 2x
marsh hull
ya alacrity seems best pending what the other TP option is
minor summit
Dude
chrome ravine
i thought it was 2x
Looks like it. I thought it was 10x.
minor summit
Cosmic shortcut
wary egret
Looks like it. I thought it was 10x.
10x for the fletching thing, its a long relic lol
chrome ravine
If you take the farming relic you have the mushroom with teleport to all fairy rings.
coral basin
Also, i really like HF into Transmute because it means you'll never burn any fish
marsh hull
nature shortcut is better xp and maybe closer?
minor summit
I was on the Evil Eye team....the Map even has a shortcut right outside of DK's room
minor summit
There is a shortcut damn near every boss, yeah?
marsh hull
Not as close as the eye but close enough ya
chrome ravine
A lot of bosses have shortcuts yes.
wary egret
wonder what 3rd tp relic will be, stashes?
sleek wraith
Depends on area you choose
coral basin
The other tier 3 relic allows you to teleport to any other player currently playing but its at random /joke
minor summit
Doom's shortcut is in beginning I think?
chrome ravine
Mentality between those 2 is that skilling teleports are already covered by quetzal and fairy rings. And bossing is what takes the longest later in the leagues.
Fairy ring in poh is very easy.
minor summit
Yup
shadow badger
The other tier 3 relic allows you to teleport to any other player currently play...
Let's you teleport into other people's instances so you can crash them
chrome ravine
Then we have jewelry, teleport items and scrolls from activities too. So I think the shortcuts one is only best for the slayer relic.
coral basin
Heres a question: would you take a t6 relic that basically gave you a really good POH for free
And other bonuses
shadow badger
Heres a question: would you take a t6 relic that basically gave you a really goo...
No
chrome ravine
I think it would need to be an early relic.
By the time you get to t6 you can finish poh
shadow badger
By T6, you probably already have the mats to get max house
coral basin
I see i see
chrome ravine
Plank make will pay for itself btw with abundance.
Unless utility magic doesn't count.
minor summit
What if T3 was: Teleport to (skilling node)? And it takes you to the nearest (available in region) Rune rock, or Magic Tree, etc. Lol
I know you said skilling teleports are covered. I am just trying to figure out what in the world could be unique
marsh hull
It would be interesting if it's the max cape & achievment diary cape pre max/diary
shadow badger
Could be diary cape
chrome ravine
Since one is bossing and the other is agility. Some options could be banks, stashes, stores, portable jewelry box.
minor summit
What about to Quest starting points? Is that at all useful? I doubt it
Most quests start in cities, so I guess not
marsh hull
I am hoping it's a quest cape and auto completes all quests. Sadly then I think I need to take it if I plan on 100%ing asgarnia because of the rat catchers comment
Oh, nvm I am tired and thought visit the rat pits was needed
visit*
shadow badger
T3 relic teles you to all cats in the game
minor summit
"Click map to teleport to location" using GP based on tile distance 😂
minor summit
T3 relic teles you to all cats in the game
Even dead cats in W. Ardy?
marsh hull
That would be cool, boat in a bottle to the charter locations?
minor summit
Yeah!
marsh hull
and or anywhere with a boat tp
minor summit
TP (Tele Port) get it?
Teleports to ports
T3 Relic isn't tele. We finally get mounts and get increased movement speed at a certain variable per agility level. (HF still gives exp) but cannot be in combat whilst mounted.
wary egret
Wonder how many pact points we get
marsh hull
I am hoping for 32, 4 per tier. But last time it was based on killing certain mobs? I'm hoping it's not that because some took longer to get via certain build than others
smoky raft
somewhere between 8 and 131
wary egret
Since one is bossing and the other is agility. Some options could be banks, stas...
Any possibility it’s a map marked mining/woodcutting/fishing area?
marsh hull
Honestly it might be with how gathering focused it's been.
Counter, there are a ton of agility shortcuts
wary egret
But balanced since those who take EH probably wouldn’t take it
Or maybe it’s just rune altars lol
Would be tempted to take it for sure
marsh hull
Pending how many points clogs are I am thinking Endless - Hotfoot - Map - Clue - Soul - Cull - Reload Transmute - Minion. If clogs aren't as big, transmute first and maybe take something else with reload
wary egret
I am hoping for 32, 4 per tier. But last time it was based on killing certain mo...
32 would be sweet, I think that opens up my crossbow thorns build
marsh hull
I'm going for 100% accuracy 1 tick mage tank thorns. Let me go to my comp to show you
Rip
wary egret
I'm going for 100% accuracy 1 tick mage tank thorns. Let me go to my comp to sho...
Elemental? It’s interesting how they didn’t really crack out powered staves
marsh hull
Whatever the kandarin one hand it, or kodai and less heal & accuracy
And I am not taking a ton of the magic tree, just to the powered staff, a weird offshoot into the ranged tree getting the offhand bonus & accuracy, same with the melee getting the thorns heal & accuracy, then thorns the pray pen and overheal there
Getting both of the thorns heal spot allows for 20% chance to heal a ton at a distance
wary egret
The depth of pacts really wrinkling my plan lol
wary egret
Getting both of the thorns heal spot allows for 20% chance to heal a ton at a di...
If you do another 4 to water mastery you’d be healing a ton lol
To frozen enemies
Assuming you go desert/grimore too
Actually 5
marsh hull
Ya that's the problem, it's not in my plan but it might have to be
wary egret
I’m pretty set on zeah Asg but completely torn on the 3rd. Between mory and desert now but considering tir and wildy lol
marsh hull
I'm 90% sure I want asgarnia and kandarin since they add the most wood/fruit tree planting spots and then I'm between zeah and the desert, leaning zeah and taking grim for ancients
Because of the kodai, dhins, ancestral, mage prayer
wary egret
Taking zeah and grim just feels kinda self sabotaging lol
But I guess it’s better than picking a region just for ancients
What else does desert have for mage?
shadow badger
Elidinis ward + divine rune pouch
shadow badger
But zeah has that too in aerial fishing
Do any of the gathering relics buff aerial fishing?
I think I heard endless doesn't work for it
So is it only point multipliers?
marsh hull
I am taking endless and was hoping it would work, but since it gives Hunter that might be too good
shadow badger
I am taking endless and was hoping it would work, but since it gives Hunter that...
Wouldn't really work since you need to click for each catch
marsh hull
Honestly tomb of fire with the god staves sounds interesting too with a mage tank build if you can get 100% accuracy
The burn would be the splash damage
marsh hull
Talking with you folks I think I'm going to take mort over zeah for the sang staff. Odds are eye of ayak will be best with my build, I'm going tank anyway with torva/oathplate. Mort gives barrows for the early tank gear, kand gives early/mid/potential end game mage weapon, and ring, Asgard gives late game tank gear/tons of CAs and who knows maybe I flex this out for wildly & corp and go for justy tank instead
limpid lava
I very much hope we get the ability to respec our points but I find that unlikely and we don’t even know how many points we have
blissful fiber
How does that sound for a first timer in league?
oak trout
What else does desert have for mage?
Elidinis ward, virtus robes, ancient staff to autocast ancients until you get something better, raid for mega rare
shadow badger
Elidinis ward, virtus robes, ancient staff to autocast ancients until you get so...
I think dt2 bosses drop ancient sceptres
Also zeah has anc
minor summit
Okay, bear with me. I am trying to do the math for Butler's Bell...
At Tier 4, you are at 8x experience.
Demon Butler processes (in this example) ores into bars at a rate of 4/minute. Which is, 5,760 per 24 hours.
If he shares 10xp per resource (before League XP multipliers), does that mean:
At Tier 4, per day, processing ores into bars, you could get 460,800 smithing experience per 24 hours?
oak trout
Right but if going elemental with ice spells, virtus is better than anc. DT2 bosses are a diff region aren’t they?
minor summit
If my math is correct, from Butler's Bell alone, you cannot max the 5 skills it offers to process for you. In fact, you can only do 4, which isn't terrible
timber quest
Right but if going elemental with ice spells, virtus is better than anc. DT2 bos...
Vard in varla, levi is desert, whisp in asg, Duke in fremmy
Vardlamorvis
blissful fiber
If my math is correct, from Butler's Bell alone, you cannot max the 5 skills it ...
even then, its still exp and ressources for employed people
which is a fine deal
minor summit
True
I forgot...I know Butler processes resources only from what he gathers. But, can you acquire resources from the Butler that he gathers? Or is a process it or nothing deal?
minor summit
Also, do you get the processed items?
tacit oyster
You can not give the butler resources to be processed; he only processes resources he gathers.
tacit oyster
instead of 8 ores per minute he will gather 4 bars and give them to you
minor summit
Right. Is he able to give you the resources he gathers, or is your only option to process them?
tacit oyster
he can give you either raw material or processed material (-50% amount if processed version)
minor summit
Interesting
tacit oyster
checking the wiki xp rates and butler can get you 99 in all 5 skills in 12 days at 16x xp multiplier (smithing, cooking, flecthing, crafting, herblore)
24 days with 8 xp multiplier
minor summit
Ah okay, thank you!
tacit oyster
weird how butler making planks gives fletching xp though
rapid night
How does that sound for a first timer in league?
First timer too, not sure what to pick
languid mauve
For the relic tiers passives i notice it says “not yet revealed” is that a placeholder or will there actually be a tier 6/8 passive reveal?
shadow badger
For the relic tiers passives i notice it says “not yet revealed” is that a place...
Where does it say that?
languid mauve
Right. Is he able to give you the resources he gathers, or is your only option t...
Remember he does the conversation 0 time = instant. All those resources we gather with endless harvest will explode into xp when we get tier 4
languid mauve
Where does it say that?
shadow badger
Tier 1:
All experience is multiplied by 5x
Items from eligible sources will be 2x as common
Farming ticks will occur every minute instead of every five minutes
Minigame points received are boosted by 4x
Run energy is never drained whilst running
All Clue scrolls will drop as stackable scroll boxes, and clue-step progress is saved between clues
Tier 2:
XP multiplier increase from 5x to 8x
Tier 3:
Combat skills (including Hitpoints & Prayer) have 1.5x Multiplier (Multiplicative with other modifiers)
The 'Bigger and badder' slayer unlock is unlocked for free
Slayer points are 5x from tasks and you aren't required to complete 5 tasks before earning points
Slayer Superior rates are increased to a 1/50 chance to appear
Tier 4:
Items from eligible sources will be 5x as common
Minigame points received are boosted by 8x
Tier 5:
XP multiplier increase from 8x to 12x
Tier 6:
None
Tier 7:
XP multiplier increase from 12x to 16x
Tier 8:
None
previous seasons also had some tiers without passive effects. Most likely no passives for those tiers
languid mauve
previous seasons also had some tiers without passive effects. Most likely no pas...
I figured but was just wondering lol
tacit oyster
that website just inserts not revealed yet to anything that is empty
languid mauve
Makes sense
Thought they were gonna try to do a sneaky on us
I am for sure going butlers bell
The ones i know for 100% im going on first account is endless harvest/Butlers bell/ Minion
Those are the only ones i’m for sure going
tall latch
Anyone thinking of a mage tank build at all? Trying to figure out the most brain-dead low effort build
bright karma
anyone have any advice for what regions to pick for a range build?
shadow badger
anyone have any advice for what regions to pick for a range build?
Depends on your main weapon I guess
Prob Desert/Wildy/Fremennik
bright karma
Depends on your main weapon I guess
yeah im thinking of going cross bow build
shadow badger
yeah im thinking of going cross bow build
Yeah then pick desert and wildy
lunar terrace
Why desert? Asgarnia would be better I think
shadow badger
Masori + Venator ring
lunar terrace
There’s an option to do melee str=range str in the combat nodes, so torva with a cb would destroy
inner zenith
do ppl pk in widly over leagues?
lunar terrace
do ppl pk in widly over leagues?
Yes but it’s rare and you don’t lose anything iirc. It’s treated like a pvm death
The cb plan I’m working on is Asg-Wild-??? and going for the Fat Man approach. Big tank with big boom 💣
shadow badger
I might pick Mory over Asgarnia if it's confirmed that kitted scythes are considered unique weapons for blindbag
lunar terrace
Literally every single plan I’m working on is totally dependent on the amount of pact points and what they changed the damn Crystal Blessing to do
shadow badger
Then I can go 7 tile nally
BiS leagues build is to get butler's bell and quit playing for 1 week
Everyone will figure it out by then
timber quest
I thought about doing that with an alt xD
shadow badger
Don't need an alt
inner zenith
im away the first weekend :p
shadow badger
Just get bell then quit to main game
timber quest
I wanna play tho
lunar terrace
I’m doing that with my GIM while I play my main
shadow badger
I wonder how long it's gonna take till the first scythes start dropping
timber quest
Couple hours, toa is super accessible
shadow badger
Solo ToB should be doable in leagues, right?
Hopefully I can get the kits if it's ez enough
timber quest
strong potential with the right set up
cinder remnant
Wonder what reveal we are getting today
potent quail
Earth spells deal additional flat damage based on your current Defence level (+1 damage per 12 Defence levels)
OOOF
its dead
latent magnet
> Earth spells deal additional flat damage based on your current Defence level (...
idk its still 28 min hit on a 2 tick twinflame
if you build for mage tank
potent quail
it really depends on hwo this one works
Skill Icon
Whenever your combat spells Regenerate
earth runes, your Defence level is boosted by 1 per rune regenerated for 30 ticks (18s).
latent magnet
this goofy build goes hard
bitter wagon
> Earth spells deal additional flat damage based on your current Defence level (...
wait where did you get this? wiki still isnt updated
potent quail
earth surge uses 10 earth runes
potent quail
wait where did you get this? wiki still isnt updated
manic prairie
melee having half its perks based on attack range is strange to me
potent quail
so if you ahve 100% regenerate chance
each earth surge increases your defence by 10
latent magnet
melee having half its perks based on attack range is strange to me
it reduces a lot of need for movement
potent quail
if it stacks with each other
you attack at 2 ticks intervalls for a total of 15 times till you lsoe the first buff
thats 150 defence lvls
manic prairie
would the earth defense level boosts increase with all the flat defense level boosts?
i have a build on the planner that has +60 defence and would have a 16% chance to reflect damage
idk if its any good
but i find it funny to only tank and have ok dps
latent magnet
karils crossbow with damned gloves should be cracked right
if only there was a dps calculator
regal spindle
Which skills have the highest xp/hr starting around level 1? I'm wondering what i should do first since the higher tier you reach, the higher xp multiplier
latent magnet
Which skills have the highest xp/hr starting around level 1? I'm wondering what ...
my guess would be thieving to get some early cash and levels, buy some food, train combats
do tasks too
manic prairie
spamming earth surge in full justicar could be a strat
copper gorge
Which skills have the highest xp/hr starting around level 1? I'm wondering what ...
In varlamore specifically? Hunter, thieving, wcing, fletching, cbs,
latent magnet
ideally you'd be earth surgin' in ahrims bc its tanky
but idk
i might play around with that if i respec
manic prairie
it rolls off defense level not defense bonuses
theres a perk near the end of thorns that adds 1% of your total defence bonus to the damage
and justicar has the highest on all but magic
latent magnet
i think it would nuke your accuracy magic
ow
-77 magic accuracy total
if you're not pushing above +0 i wonder if the accuracy bonuses multiply your negative magic attack accuracy rofl
that would bite
completely kills that strat
manic prairie
welp
i tried sharing a link to the builder
25 points and no damage is based on accuracy
all the damage is from defense levels and defense bonus
latent magnet
ahrims is your best bet with this build i think
copper gorge
This is brutal on mobile btw. The box that explains what the tile is for takes up 1/3 of the screen lmao
potent quail
whats the idea here?
manic prairie
tank, heal from tanking, deal damage from tanking
potent quail
ok this assumes enemys are missing you though
potent quail
but why waste so many points on defence nodes then
i rather take the 8 points to get the earth mastery
regal spindle
In leagues, what choices are going to be permanent?
manic prairie
you heal and deal damage based on your defence level and defence bonuses
manic prairie
In leagues, what choices are going to be permanent?
the normal relics at least, probably the combat relics
and regions
so everything
fast owl
Have alternate sources for halberds been revealed anywhere, or is it still just Tirannwn for anything besides the Gorak iron halberd?
manic prairie
nox
regal spindle
Aside from some cheese like buying a lot of magic stones for 99 construction, what would you even needs millions of gp for?
regal spindle
Okay seems like runes are gonna have an avas effect and are already dirt cheap
manic prairie
fun?
manic prairie
2 bonus xp for every action could be nice
latent magnet
what are the chances to roll a ranged echo hit here
fast owl
20% per shot I think
manic prairie
.8*.25
latent magnet
yeah that seems right
1/5 chance for an echo hit on a 2 tick hespori bow
i like that
i hope this ends up having funny synergy with ranged perks
manic prairie
i think the double hit kbd crossbow would be better
latent magnet
zeah mory wildy might be the play lol
regal spindle
I wanted to unlocked wilderness until someone told me there is almost no good uniques there aside from voidwaker, and that echo crossbow
manic prairie
i have to check whats the highest defensive armors
i want to see how viable this could be
minor summit
I am sure it is way too early for this, but...is there a calculator that implements the Pacts skill tree?
minor summit
I have that open but
I am wanting to see if there's an implementation of the osrs wiki dps calculator with the pact tree
manic prairie
i want this to work so bad, if there are 26 points it could be very entertaining
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-139-140-141-145-146-48-57-6-60-61-62-63-64-71-8-81-84-92-93-94-95-98-99
more points would be just specing in to over heal
minor summit
i want this to work so bad, if there are 26 points it could be very entertaining...
You're going to be a powerhouse
manic prairie
it sounds so bad but so good
minor summit
I am leaning toward the Crossbow nuke
manic prairie
i also really like the idea of not getting any of the basic combat ones
just going around them
minor summit
wtf, it didn't like me posting
manic prairie
if there is a full respec, i will try the defensive build at least once
if not i will wait on combat relics until there is a good melee or ranged one
minor summit
This will be hitting over 100 each 4.2 seconds. I don't know the actual damage values
latent magnet
this is probably what im gonna run
quick mural
If you do the math, full thorns build is bad
manic prairie
if you do the math, shut up
minor summit
Thorns is fun tho
quick mural
I agree
minor summit
You could just sit still, overheal and never do damage
or pair it with 2+ tile melee and at least get one hit to get kill credit
manic prairie
depends on the points total
latent magnet
If you do the math, full thorns build is bad
if you do the math--
manic prairie
i want to mix it with magic
minor summit
b/c recoil in the past never counted toward kill credit for drops or kc
maybe drops
but not kc
manic prairie
wouldnt it work like poson?
minor summit
if you do the math--
new meme unlocked?
Idk in Leagues 3, if you went into GWD and just sat there with maximum Absolute Unit, you didn't get the credit for the kill
minor summit
regular nightmare it's 1/960-1/549 depending on party size
That's base (main game) rates
1/192
for solo rates with x5 drop rates in leagues
toxic vortex
wow, varlamore doesn't have any agility shortcuts
thin summit
What are we thinking is the optimal style so far?
thin summit
wow, varlamore doesn't have any agility shortcuts
It has loads
minor summit
wow, varlamore doesn't have any agility shortcuts
wtf ru serious?
toxic vortex
I filtered it to "my regions"
but it doesn't assume that you have varlamore
which is a bit odd
minor summit
haha
manic prairie
wiki shows 1/52 for orbs
minor summit
toxic vortex
gonna be a long run to get to vard
minor summit
it's base | 2x | 5x
manic prairie
minor summit
oh for Phosani yeah
manic prairie
so justicar, nightmare staff with harmony orb, spamming earth spells with a dfs
i think the magic dfs has more stats tho
minor summit
that last earth thing
manic prairie
is echo ggs reward known?
manic prairie
so no barrows gloves2?
also
that could be super good
if powered staffs charges also count the runes they used?
manic prairie
im going to be the most 4/10 build out there
minor summit
in a good way
if we can get 25 points
+45 permanent defence level boost which means extra 45 flat damage
minor summit
omg I wasn't thinking about the base def levels
latent magnet
a staff that is powered by earth and body I think
oh damn seems mid
idk
unless it has some kind of bind effect
that could be cool
minor summit
oh damn seems mid
does a powered staff that is powered by earth runes count as an earth spell?
latent magnet
who knows
minor summit
if so
latent magnet
they didnt reveal the item yet
manic prairie
so far my combat relics only relies on moritania
latent magnet
oh wildy crossbow already has bind hmm
minor summit
I think the Echo GGS has to do with an Earth/Def tank build
latent magnet
surely
latent magnet
i really hope the echo hespori bow's sustain is actually good
toxic vortex
I saw somewhere that each of the echo weapons is designed around the pact tree
minor summit
like shadow gives %mage dmg
manic prairie
would boost my build to a solid 4.2/10
minor summit
I saw somewhere that each of the echo weapons is designed around the pact tree
makes sense
manic prairie
thats 13 paths
manic prairie
or 11 if you dont count doubles
toxic vortex
well, except the magic stuff can all be done with probably the thermy staff
seeing as its all just elemental spells
latent magnet
im really hoping we get 40 points
minor summit
If we get 25 points, this build has you Regen 95%...
latent magnet
25 would be too little
toxic vortex
the range stuff is really 3 categories. bow, crossbow, thrown
latent magnet
30 already feels restrictive
toxic vortex
which we have each of those
manic prairie
well, except the magic stuff can all be done with probably the thermy staff
depends if the powered staffs charges count towards runes returned
toxic vortex
depends if the powered staffs charges count towards runes returned
right, but even then its covered
rich rune
Any builds right now looking particularly cracked from a dps perspective?
manic prairie
shadow could be a shadow spell and count towards earth?
toxic vortex
I doubt it
manic prairie
Any builds right now looking particularly cracked from a dps perspective?
idk about the consensus, but fire magic, and kbd crossbow with echo hits seem big
minor summit
manic prairie
but they use elemental runes
tacit oyster
30 already feels restrictive
i would say you get at least up to 30, just might be hard or time consuming to get more than that
toxic vortex
but they use elemental runes
but they dont count as elemental damage
tropic epoch
im a new player to osrs and good video recommendation on how leagues work?
latent magnet
i would say you get at least up to 30, just might be hard or time consuming to g...
30 is a good baseline for casuals
40 would be a good reward for ppl pushing combat cheevos
minor summit
im a new player to osrs and good video recommendation on how leagues work?
You could binge some older Leagues playthroughs from Content Creators to get the feel.
minor summit
im a new player to osrs and good video recommendation on how leagues work?
WildMudkip has a chill playthrough, he doesn't try to get rank 1, or speed through tiers
manic prairie
but they dont count as elemental damage
but most the magic relics work off runes returned
minor summit
but most the magic relics work off runes returned
When using spellbook spells
latent magnet
if its 25 points i'll lose 3 tick whip :(
tropic epoch
WildMudkip has a chill playthrough, he doesn't try to get rank 1, or speed throu...
got it thank you
tacit oyster
raging echoes was similar in concept for everything except the combat masteries replaced with demonic pacts. Can watch raging echoes league guide i guess
minor summit
it specifically says "Whenever you combat spells regenerate (x) runes
so any (combat) spell from a spellbook
toxic vortex
Ngl, it would be hilarious to see the 1t powered staff just blasting
minor summit
I can't, for the fuggin' life of me, come up with which style seems more cracked
manic prairie
i wonder if having over 100% refresh gives bonus runes?
minor summit
We don't know any echo weapon tick speed except for hespori bow right?
manic prairie
imagine 150% return and using it to alch onyx dragon bolts
toxic vortex
correct
tacit oyster
might be coded to never reach 100% but i wish you could regenerate more than you consume
manic prairie
We don't know any echo weapon tick speed except for hespori bow right?
its a short bow at least
minor summit
you can get over 100% regen I thought on runes?
minor summit
ohh
minor summit
its a short bow at least
right, and if Drygore is same as last league, rapid would be 2tick
3 tick for the other styles
tacit oyster
for ranged it might make echo hits too op if you can regen multiple per one hit
minor summit
ranged echo hits are going to be cracked with blowpipes
I wonder how chins will work
pearl sapphire
Wont work with chins as you arent regenerating ammo
minor summit
boo
manic prairie
minor summit
26 isn't that hard to cope with tbh.
latent magnet
why is no one building into crossbows
pearl sapphire
why is no one building into crossbows
i am with a cbow halbeard hybrid
minor summit
why is no one building into crossbows
I call this the Crossbow Nuke b/c I couldn't think of anything else creative (I should be in bed right now)
I forget in which the speeds of Echo hits attack
Might not matter about the +2 tick speed on crossbows
given that build has a +50% to fire ranged echoes
minor summit
can't use the countdown tree link
tacit oyster
something like this could be good for zcb or heavy ballista, 30 points without extra prayer pen, 32 with 45% prayer pen
toxic vortex
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1DQA7AwAgB9xAAIABQxAATgA&name=Mory%2FZeah Hally%2FBow
30 points, hally + bow for hespori
toxic vortex
with the blindbag ofc
manic prairie
this is my hard cope build
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-122-1...
thats 31% chance to reflect all damage + 2 reflect on hits taken + 15(ish) damage from every attack taken for 26 points
minor summit
DrEggMan is poaching (egg cooking joke, -_-)right now
latent magnet
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1DYB6AgAAF0rAAEABRiQAFAM&name=30 point wifi this one has 2t bow but trades off bow mastery for 3t whip
toxic vortex
DrEggMan is poaching (egg cooking joke, -_-)right now
minor summit
https://tenor.com/gGR6fxjpxIg.gif
I know. I know.
manic prairie
thats 31% chance to reflect all damage + 2 reflect on hits taken + 15(ish) damag...
if 30 points it could also have some "ok" dps with earth spells
minor summit
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1DYB6AgAAF0rAAEABRiQAFAM&name=30%...
that's what the halberd reminds me of
toxic vortex
I'm trying to get the one site whitelisted
manic prairie
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1DYB6AgAAF0rAAEABRiQAFAM&name=30%...
how are you getting more tiles tho?
toxic vortex
I mean, we are just guessing for points
pearl sapphire
I'm trying to get the one site whitelisted
they really should, that site was so helpful yesterday with all of us theorycrafting
toxic vortex
30 seems realisitic
manic prairie
dont you need a 2 hander to get more tiles?
pearl sapphire
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-11-15-153-154-155-156-157-164...
made this with 30
toxic vortex
Ah, thats what you meant
manic prairie
and wont that conflict with the 1kg limit?
toxic vortex
yeah
manic prairie
idk if im just sleep brained
latent magnet
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1DQA7AwAgB9xAAIABQxAATgA&name=Mor...
https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree?share=1DQByAgAABtjAAAABRjQA3AM&name=30 point wifi no whip this one specs into both bow, crossbow, and nox hally
minor summit
blindbag is going to be so gooooood
latent magnet
it looks gimmicky
minor summit
I mean, yeah but
dim crystal
30 feels like the right level of fun considering it largely still prevents you from taking more than 2 full paths. I feel personally that some of the best ones might either cost more or lock you out of other things though (like the min damage vs max damage bow ones)
manic prairie
wont blindbag just be nox, dual boppers form echo amox, and dharox axe?
toxic vortex
I'm not taking wildy, so crossbow options are limited
manic prairie
maybe barrelchest?
minor summit
wont blindbag just be nox, dual boppers form echo amox, and dharox axe?
scythe
manic prairie
maybe dogsword?
toxic vortex
there is no dogsword
minor summit
godswords*
pearl sapphire
im fairly certain capstones will be either or and noth both
old tapir
I'm not taking wildy, so crossbow options are limited
all 4 boppers @manic prairie
latent magnet
im trying to go for sustain + consistency so im avoiding tank/recoil/chance stuff. i have a 20% chance for ranged echos which is about as low as it gets
50% chance to max accuracy at a 10 tick distance
pearl sapphire
like for cbows i think it will be choose one out of max hit always or double roll accuracy
toxic vortex
I want to see more about how the blindbag attack actually works
manic prairie
idk if i want to go all in on my meme build
but i really want to
it only need moritania
toxic vortex
Like it doesn't seem like we will get any special attacks from blindbag
minor summit
spears weigh over 2kg XD
manic prairie
sounds so funny to afk a boss and kill it
toxic vortex
so just stack your inv with whatever you can
and, you know
"blindbag attacks can trigger additional blindbag attacks"
timber quest
I wonder if you've got 5 unique swords and 20 scys, is there a 3/4 chance for a scy blind bag
minor summit
all maces (not the cudget) are over 1kg
toxic vortex
I think thats the other thing. If a scythe is one of your blindbag items, do you get the multi-hit splat?
or is it just added up to 1
minor summit
it's as if you attacked with it
toxic vortex
So really, outside of scythe it doesn't really matter what else you have
minor summit
also, I am pretty sure stats are not counted
timber quest
I wonder if an SRA would start stacking souls
Surely it would
minor summit
if you didn't have the stat req. to wield it, but it's in your inventory, it can still be blindbagged
toxic vortex
If scythe gets multi hits, no reason that same logic wouldn't apply to sra
except for the fact that scythe is about 1000x easier to get
minor summit
imagine if our beloved Khopesh was back, blindbag would be a multi-combat hell of thunderstorms
timber quest
Reckon there might be something saucy with dh wretched str?
toxic vortex
if you are wearing dh, sure
timber quest
With a scy blind bag boosted? XD
toxic vortex
Nah, just stacks of axes
blind bag attacks triggering dh effect
I want to see some solo world records on crab
timber quest
I'm thinking of dh boosting the blind bag attack
minor summit
crab is going to be like in GM, he's going to be glitched out of existence
manic prairie
ok so i have a meme build for 26, 30, and 35
timber quest
Hit us
minor summit
blindbag us
manic prairie
its all the same build ive been coping over
timber quest
Copesh build
toxic vortex
I wouldn't be too shocked if you could only pick one or the other for the ranged masteries at the end
minor summit
I wouldn't be too shocked if you could only pick one or the other for the ranged...
Same, b/c both are busted
I'd take the max hit one anyday
manic prairie
justicar, harmony nightmare staff, guardian boots
https://tools.runescape.wiki/demonic-pacts/?n=1-10-100-122-127-128-129-135-139-140-141-145-146-48-57-6-60-61-62-63-64-69-70-71-8-81-84-92-93-94-95-96-97-98-99
should be about 40 damage returned per hit taken + 30% of damage reflected
+overheal
timber quest
If you're on a mage/melee build, dya reckon there's a chance to bb staff bash? XD
manic prairie
bb?
timber quest
Blindbag
minor summit
justicar, harmony nightmare staff, guardian boots
https://tools.runescape.wiki/d...
with a 15.9% chance to reflect 100% damage
manic prairie
the build should hover at 310 defense level at max
minor summit
310 def.....level? or def stats?
manic prairie
level
minor summit
I must not be reading that correctly
timber quest
justicar, harmony nightmare staff, guardian boots
https://tools.runescape.wiki/d...
I like this but I think I'd take the 2% spec restore and maybe drop an overheals
Without looking too hard, and on mobile :p
manic prairie
I like this but I think I'd take the 2% spec restore and maybe drop an overheals
theres no melee here tho?
smoky raft
We don't know how much flat damage you actually get for def level
trail lake
Do we know the amount of points for pacts we get max?
smoky raft
no
timber quest
theres no melee here tho?
Do thorns count? XD
manic prairie
We don't know how much flat damage you actually get for def level
wiki says 1 for every 12 on earth spells
minor summit
the end Earth thingy/node says +1 damage per 12 def levels
smoky raft
People are guessing it's somewhere in the 20-40 range but honestly I expect the limiting factor to be some fucked up restriction on the skill tree itself
minor summit
I knew 1:1 would be too good
smoky raft
oh that was updated?
minor summit
guess so
smoky raft
yesterday it was 1 per #
minor summit
well
timber quest
I was dreaming of 1:1 yesterday and salted is like +200ish I think
Plus shadow dmg on top haha
minor summit
yesterday it was 1 per #
on the countdown.io tree it's the 1 per #
smoky raft
to be fair 1:1 would be fuckin ridiculous
minor summit
on the wiki planner it's 1 per 12
minor summit
the wiki planner also has updated icons
smoky raft
even 1:20 would've been fine imo
toxic vortex
manic prairie
iirc the engine has a max of 240? there was a doom video that hit the max normal splat and it was capped by engine
coral silo
Anyone know if we can transmute barbarian fish into regular fish?
minor summit
I mean, irl Atlatl is supposed to be the early form OF a bow
toxic vortex
Anyone know if we can transmute barbarian fish into regular fish?
Raw Fish: Shrimp -> Sardine -> Herring -> Anchovies -> Mackerel -> Trout -> Cod -> Pike -> Salmon -> Tuna -> Lobster -> Bass -> Swordfish -> Karambwan -> Shark -> Anglerfish -> Dark Crab
manic prairie
not really a bow tho, its a lever
toxic vortex
thats the list
timber quest
Lever? I hardly know her huehuehurhheuebie
toxic vortex
well jagex is saying that their bow category item is being classed as a thrown item for leagues
smoky raft
Lever? I hardly know her huehuehurhheuebie
Jailed for one BILLION years
minor summit
yeah b/c previously the only way to hunt a bigger animal was with a spear and that was still closer range than desired
manic prairie
god i hope its exactly 35 points
timber quest
Atlatl darts better be one of those blanked out items added to the shops cuz DAMN
manic prairie
i will 200% so this build if its exactly 35 points
manic prairie
yeah b/c previously the only way to hunt a bigger animal was with a spear and th...
you can throw spears too irl
timber quest
I oringally hoped it was gonna be imbue scrolls but I think that thought is long dead
toxic vortex
I wonder
minor summit
you can throw spears too irl
yeah but you throw your only weapon, with the Atlatl you have the launcher and you are launching arrows, not your main weapon
toxic vortex
For the thrown mastery, the additional projectile
if another target isn't close enough do you throw it at the same target
or is that wasted
timber quest
yeah but you throw your only weapon, with the Atlatl you have the launcher and y...
Ya just gotta not think about it too hard xD
minor summit
Ya just gotta not think about it too hard xD
Story of my life, thinking too hard XD
dry kelp
So... just to be clear, the "regenerate" effect does not save you runes, but youll consume more runes with it?
minor summit
But overthinking league choices is absolute torture
minor summit
So... just to be clear, the "regenerate" effect does not save you runes, but you...
it technically saves
It consumes and replenishes to trigger an effect
timber quest
I'm not thinking too hard yet cuz of that damn t7 spot
I can't commit to a plan to have it uprooted xD
smoky raft
that's how it's described but I imagine the game will just treat it like an ava's assembler
where it rolls the probability to "not regenerate" and only consume the charge/ammo/rune if the roll comes up
minor summit
So... just to be clear, the "regenerate" effect does not save you runes, but you...
staying base into a single branch will only get you about 50-80% regenerated runes, but you can map on the planner over 100%, no idea if you can GET 100% or more or not
now hold up
Ava's assembler is going to be a thing
timber quest
Was there a pact that gives you 150% return?
dry kelp
Im gonna need a video to see how the effect works lol
minor summit
that only stops ammo from being consumed
toxic vortex
salamander stonks crashing
coral silo
Can we transmute regular runes into combo runes?
toxic vortex
Can we transmute regular runes into combo runes?
no
minor summit
Was there a pact that gives you 150% return?
you can in theory based on the skill tree, but no idea if there's going to be a hard-stop to how far we can go with it.
Tecu hunters in shambles
toxic vortex
wait
minor summit
Don't throw your hally!
minor summit
With the Wifi builds, we are essentially fighting like Thor with the Mjolnir if you think about it...
unless our weapons are magically getting longer during the hit, which is scary to think about
smoky raft
you really don't need 100% but I will say that "chance to save" effects apply to resource count via something referred to as an infinite geometric sequence
which is a fucked up mathematical term that, in short, means that increases to your chance to save becomes more and more impactful the higher it already is.
50 to 55 increases your effective ammo from x2 to x2.22
90 to 95 increases your effective ammo from x10 to x20
minor summit
but when you stack "chance to regenerate" on top of "chance to save" with the assembler.....kind of nice
toxic vortex
if they interact that way
I dont think chance to save/not use ammo is the same as regenerating
minor summit
now if you want to get technical (no, theoretical), ranged echo hits could count as "free ammo" I know it's not! Hear me out, it's secondary hit coming FROM the regenerated ammo
smoky raft
that's how they interacted in previous leagues with chance to save relics, but yeah it really depends on if regen is treated differently because of all the effects it has
minor summit
I guess the chance to not consume can't trigger anything because there isn't a "count" for the game to trigger an effect. So Jagex had to add more spaghetti code to allow something to "disappear" just to "reappear" to trigger the effect
that made more sense in my head
smoky raft
could be, otherwise the game already knows whether a chance to regen is successful so it would theoretically be possible to handle it the same way as ava's
minor summit
wait.....what if
"Chance not to consume ammo" works against regenerate
if you don't consume, you cant' regen
smoky raft
but "theoretically could work" gets messy when filtered through seven layers of spaghetti
minor summit
regen relies on consumption of resources
smoky raft
On a similar note, what about elemental staves / tomes?
mortal spindle
does anyone know what the original % chance is for blindbag to proc?
timber quest
I'm a little bit sad that it's only combat spells that buff things, kinda liked the idea of enchanting an onyx bracelet for a boost xD
mental plume
Sorry to interrupt, but I’m wondering if anyone has any input on the “under 1kg” skill tree. Like to me that makes so many one handed weapons essentially useless this league. Key examples, dragon scim and ghrazi rapier. Are those one handed items that weigh more than 1kg just dead content?
minor summit
does anyone know what the original % chance is for blindbag to proc?
15% according the Demonic Pacts Planner on the Wiki
mortal spindle
15% according the Demonic Pacts Planner on the Wiki
awesome thank!
timber quest
I think the pact said 1h or under 1kg but I might be wrong
minor summit
yeah it's "Melee weapons that are under 1kg OR one handed, increase your melee strength by 20% of your Strength Level"
manic prairie
salamander stonks crashing
they coulda done an outer ring for salamanders imo
to get around to certain good stuff without going throught the jungle
mental plume
The strength boost yes, but the one tick faster only applies to weapons under 1kg, correct?
minor summit
yup
toxic vortex
I mean a dscim isn't ever going to be that useful in leagues
potent quail
so does the double hit
minor summit
we aren't going to see an even amount of crazy attack speed
potent quail
I mean a dscim isn't ever going to be that useful in leagues
liek everyone get super easily the blood bonkers
toxic vortex
thats because it is
minor summit
You won't need to worry about tick speed with how much the pacts slap
trail lake
Base is really easy yh
mental plume
I guess I’m more wondering why that particular tree is pretty much locked into daggers, claws, and whip. That’s basically it lol
toxic vortex
I guess I’m more wondering why that particular tree is pretty much locked into d...
can't benefit everything
trail lake
I mean technically the echo weapons can be very light
minor summit
Well, as someone said, the Echo weapons are catered to the Skill Tree paths
So there is an Echo Dagger
Echo Bow, Echo Xbow, Echo Staff
toxic vortex
and the echo bopper things
minor summit
yeah for the 2h path
potent quail
how hard where ehco bosses in past leagues?
toxic vortex
whatever they will be
toxic vortex
how hard where ehco bosses in past leagues?
varied
manic prairie
i hope echo boppers are kinda free to get
minor summit
Echo Cerb was a bitch and a half
toxic vortex
echo sol seemed very hard
manic prairie
i dont want to try for a weapon im not building around
minor summit
KQ could have been brute forced
toxic vortex
but I didnt have V
minor summit
DK was different each time
mental plume
All boppers in game rn are over 1kg so therefore count as “heavy” weapons. I imagine the echo bopper will be the same
minor summit
Echo Thermy, I didn't do, but was a click intense nightmare according to videos I watched
marsh hull
I mean if we get demonic weapons ember light is under 1kg
minor summit
All boppers in game rn are over 1kg so therefore count as “heavy” weapons. I ima...
prob considering it is combining the "stats of three weapons" prob being the Nagua boppers
timber quest
I kinda hope they work like the devils element auto selects the right spell
minor summit
oh yeah...they did say demonbane was thought of, I thought it would have been in the pacts
timber quest
Will stab/crush/slash auto
minor summit
Will stab/crush/slash auto
I wouldn't be upset about that
timber quest
It's a shame they're still gonna be kinda useless for eclipse moon
marsh hull
So if the blister wood flail for fighting vamps
minor summit
Who wants to bet there's a secret Echo Yama, or Yama has been raising an Echo version of Demonic Brutus this whole time and we have to fight BOTH
potent quail
maybe blindsack will be the most important build of the league then
potent quail
because EVERYONE will be able to get echo bonkers which synergizes with blindsack
minor summit
Has yama taken it over
haha!
toxic vortex
I mean if we get demonic weapons ember light is under 1kg
i wouldn't expect them in their normal state
potent quail
so
echo bonkers as main weapon
inventory:
all 3 style dual hit weapons
2 flex weapons
toxic vortex
demonbane weapons are "covered" in some capacity, but we don't have access to TDs
minor summit
Maybe each Echo we kill gives us part of the power to be full demonbane
For instance, there is an Echo Yama and he's impervious to damage until we've killed his echo bosses in our regions in order to reduce his "shield" and THAT's how we respec
smoky raft
inb4 the last T8 relic is just "everything-bane"
potent quail
T8 DOOM
gain super demonbane weapon
all NPCs are demons
potent quail
wait doom will suck without a demonbane weapon
minor summit
I mean....
potent quail
or can you jsut force your way trough it without
timber quest
2 tile Boppers will go hard on doom until you run out of room xD
minor summit
there IS a CA to not use demonbane
timber quest
It's crush weak
potent quail
yeah we will just overpower it
sad we didnt got echo doom
that would have been fun
minor summit
I was hoping for an Echo Zulrah
timber quest
Yeah more echo bosses on top of last year's would've been dope
potent quail
I was hoping for an Echo Zulrah
all 3 forms at the same time
potent quail
like a hydra
smoky raft
Still think echo monkey room would've been the better desert experience
minor summit
haha
timber quest
That's exactly what that room needed xD
minor summit
Echo Tempoross
potent quail
Echo fire caves
timber quest
Echo Cuthbert
minor summit
Honestly an Echo Fire Caves would have been interesting
smoky raft
I'd vibe with echo jad
potent quail
(isnt that jsut inferno?)
smoky raft
I assume it would just be colo manticore
minor summit
Echo Bob the Cat ||but a ghost of him, b/c....ya know||
potent quail
Echo Brutus🤔
toxic vortex
I was really hoping for echo jad
potent quail
we do have the jad challange
minor summit
Echo Brutus🤔
They could have brought him to Yama's Lair...
potent quail
which is basicly a echo version
minor summit
Echo Woox
potent quail
They could have brought him to Yama's Lair...
his pet:D
mhh maybe echo hue would be interesting? or nox
a team boss with a echo form
minor summit
I think it's kind of wild to have two echo slayer monsters
potent quail
yeah makes that relic quite important if you have one of these regions
minor summit
Mod Ash has a sprite and you fight the regular boss which is already Echo level
timber quest
Echo Modash when
minor summit
Watching Doubleshine use the planner now
potent quail
we still dont know the last tier 6 relic
but grimoire seems quite bad either way
even if you cant unlock the other spellbooks normally
toxic vortex
we still dont know the last tier 6 relic
but grimoire seems quite bad either way
t6 is slayer anyway
minor summit
Grim wouldn't be terrible....if.....
If yo udon't choose Desert
I am def. choose Culling unless the unrevealed is CRACKED
potent quail
any ideas what the unrevealed might be?
minor summit
Well, we have quasi-combat choices
potent quail
well both of these are basicly qol
minor summit
specialist def. isn't coming back b/c it's in the pact
potent quail
this was last league
marsh hull
I think fire spells are just going to be best since you cast with the most air runes for prayer Regen, and you have a little splash on surges. Then if you have ancients, the burn being applied to blood spells is awesome
minor summit
prod master is broken up, clue scroll is 🤮
potent quail
treasure arbiter is also already kinda in conniving clues
toxic vortex
I mean it is that
minor summit
in L4 slayer relic was up against Infernal gathering and Treasure Seeker
potent quail
i think it will be something new
potent quail
same with the t7 relic
potent quail
where's that picture of all the icons on Yama's table?
so many bait runes on thereXD
minor summit
yeah, but maybe past al lthe red herrings, our answers are on it/
molten gust
If I could post stuff. I’d share mine of the table where I marked off the runes we got so far.
But not high enough rank to post images.
potent quail
pm it to me
toxic vortex
But not high enough rank to post images.
go to #botzone and do !rank
you need lvl 10
potent quail
minor summit
cool ty
molten gust
Didn’t label them. Just circled.
shadow badger
turtle relic
toxic vortex
yeah you're almost there
you get xp awarded every minute of chat
probably get it today would be my guess
potent quail
ok big brain guess
no nvm
molten gust
Perhaps.
potent quail
idk its probably bankers note
toxic vortex
i can't remember the amount of xp you get for each cycle, but its a random number between two numbers
like, its not just 1 xp
shadow badger
idk its probably bankers note
Banker's note is just a RC solve atp
molten gust
The main thing atm is there is no rune remaining that looks like bankers note.
shadow badger
And I guess inf food and pots
minor summit
Turtle Relic = For every tile you walk (not run) you gain 10x experience per total level in all skills (before league multipliers)
potent quail
Banker's note is just a RC solve atp
and infinite supplys while bossing/doing shit
toxic vortex
The main thing atm is there is no rune remaining that looks like bankers note.
could just be a different icon
molten gust
True. But it wouldn’t be bankers note at least. Kinda hope for something to at least bank things from away or something.
shadow badger
Portable deposit box
minor summit
that
toxic vortex
I wouldn't be against something like that
shadow badger
Echo items and pacts provide heals
minor summit
I wouldn't mind seeing a nerfed banker's note
shadow badger
So deposit box to grind bosses forever
minor summit
What if..
toxic vortex
although, i don't lnow how well that would fit in with the relic tiers we have left
like, just a deposit box seems like a low tier relic
molten gust
Honestly its what I thought the butler was gonna be first time I looked at it. Guy would bank and return.
minor summit
You know how there are clue contracts for conniving clues? What if while doing PVM you have a chance of getting "Demonic Caches" that can drop some sort of stackable notes. You can use Banker's note, but only if you have stackable notes that are consumed per use of the banker's note? Banker's Note Relic Idea for nerfed
shadow badger
You know how there are clue contracts for conniving clues? What if while doing P...
Magic notepaper
toxic vortex
doubt
minor summit
I doubt too, but I've seen it before, I am not allowed to say where
shadow badger
RS3
minor summit
oh
no but okay - meaning that wasn't what I was talking about lol but I didn't know rs3 did that
toxic vortex
husky is trolling hard about "so many cool builds"
I hope we get the point cap today
minor summit
possible reveal incoming
shadow badger
How many more minutes
minor summit
WATC HTHIS
I think it's showing
maybe the amount of people is the clue of how many points we get?!
minor summit
here we go baby
winged trench
Are they releasing more relic today?
summer torrent
40
"These points will be your currency to unlock your Demonic Pacts. Each pact will cost 1 point and if you gain all of them, you'll have a total of 40 Pact Points!"
from the newest newspost: https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/demonic-pacts---overview?oldschool=1
minor summit
lol what did you shout ?
minor summit
40 is crackeD
toxic vortex
These points will be your currency to unlock your Demonic Pacts. Each pact will cost 1 point and if you gain all of them, you'll have a total of 40 Pact Points!
We've split them out across the different areas which means you'll get:
9 from global tasks (with 2 given during the tutorial)
4 from Varlamore
6 from Karamja
7 for each additional area unlocked
I was so right
minor summit
Good job Void!
toxic vortex
I'm glad you were right
shadow badger
I already got my build set up
minor summit
Guys I'm so stoked
shadow badger
1 week left
bleak inlet
Can't wait to play path of runescape
minor summit
I took Tuesday night off work, b/c knowing me (if I didn't) I'd work from 6pm until 630am, get home around 650am, play from 7am until (death)
It shows the RESETS@!#$!@#!#
toxic vortex
So, while you will be able to reset the Demonic Pacts, you will be limited to a small number of them, 3 to be exact. These limited resets, can refresh all of the current Pact Points you've spent, but once you've used a reset it is gone for good... so choose wisely.
You can unlock these resets by completing the following tasks:
Defeat 1 unique Echo Boss
Defeat 2 unique Echo Bosses
Defeat 3 unique Echo Bosses
That sounds fair
shadow badger
So, while you will be able to reset the Demonic Pacts, you will be limited to a ...
That's so much simpler than echo Yama
minor summit
that's cracked
rigid junco
resets being limited is terrible, it makes it so you need to hardlock yourself depending on certain grinds during the league and do everything you possibly can with that style
minor summit
All of leagues is "hardlocked" if you want to get technical
rigid junco
All of leagues is "hardlocked" if you want to get technical
yesnt
tacit oyster
you'll have a total of 40 Pact Points