leagues-general

[smoky raft]

it's not worth picking one solid path until we know how pacts are unlocked

[vocal plover]

it isnt wrong, just not telling us what the ratio is

[cloud panther]

The earth one really depends on the #number

[vocal plover]

ye

[blissful fiber]

shit... I just realised...
the echo amox weapon is dual wielded... it wont work with thorn...

[vocal plover]

im fiending for the echo weapon stats

[cloud panther]

if it is like 2 then it is insanely good if you pick up all pacts with +def

[vocal plover]

i need to see the kandarin trident to see what i wanna do

[pliant temple]

yeah idk melee just seems weaker than the others but melee usually is. it makes up for it by being fun methinks

[smoky raft]

but it will presumably count for both 2h and heavy pacts!

[blissful fiber]

but not thorn, the one pact i wanna take 😭

[blissful fjord]

Khopesh would like to talk

[blissful fiber]

bro, im getting punished for wanting to enjoy this game

[rustic prism]

can you reach zuk with an extra long halberd?

[smoky raft]

unless it's a light weapon for some reason, but afaik the only light 2h melee are claws

[vocal plover]

i remember khopesh with last recall sliming wildy bosses out last time lmao

[stuck coral]

Khopesh stole the show in Gridmaster, too

[blissful fiber]

well at least asgarnia as the dagger from cerberus so thats that to use with thorn

[shadow badger]

Assuming blindbag affects an echo weapon, will it's passive effect (if it has any) also go off?

[vocal plover]

secretly 2h

[cloud panther]

Khopesh might as well be renamed lightning storm for as crazy as it was

[blissful fiber]

likely taking asgarnia as my 3rd so

[tacit oyster]

i think 7tile does reach zuk in the center but not from corners

[pliant temple]

yeah i mean entirely off of the combat mastery/pact system, melee is usually weak from those alone

khopesh made it crazy

[shadow badger]

Vet'ion on fraudwatch with his fake ass khopesh

[vocal plover]

ngl even tho echo bosses arent the main focus of this leagues i was praying for an echo doom

i been farming that mf for weeks prior to leagues i was primed up

[toxic vortex]

i was crossing my fingers for echo jad

and a combined tri-brid cape

[vocal plover]

that'd be fun

[pliant temple]

if im planning on melee i think im gonna do a halberd/blindbag build with mory/tir/kour but im not sure yet

[naive lodge]

im gonna miss echo sol tbh

[vocal plover]

echo gem crab

[pliant temple]

would you need to be in range for a blindbag attack to go off or is it more like an echo attack... who knows, that will help determine things further for me

[low cloak]

Now he deals 2 damage!

[vocal plover]

pretty certain as long as u can whack him u can get the blindbag

[smoky raft]

ok before I forget, allow me to say, for the second time,

I told you so

that is all.

[shadow badger]

Echo broodoo victim

[pliant temple]

bc hally blindbag would be cool unless you have to farm 6 nallys

[cloud panther]

Echo Man

[vocal plover]

gives you 2t to pray overheads correctly or u take 60dmg

[blissful fiber]

echo broodo is all mechanics combined at once

[vocal plover]

echo broodo smacks the floor like insanity warden

[blissful fiber]

https://giphy.com/gifs/gilmoregirls-netflix-gilmore-girls-3otPoC83YqDSe8sKL6

[stuck coral]

We still haven't seen ruinous prayers either soooooooooooooooooooooo

[toxic vortex]

i think they said they won't be here

[smoky raft]

I still think desert should've been echo monkey room

[shadow badger]

Grand cutscene when you go to fight giga Yama, then he gets offscreened by echo broodoo victim

[shadow badger]

Echo vanguards in CoX

[blazing salmon]

Will the scythe ornament kits be counted as its own unique weapon or will it still count as a scythe?

[vocal plover]

just fight with the ornament kit on its own

abandon scythe

[naive lodge]

the holy kit is very weaponizable

[shadow badger]

Wear the ornament kit

[stuck coral]

holy kit = thrown weapon

[vocal plover]

put it in ur glove slot for +5 str

ngl u could put the holy kit on a ralos to make it holy ralos ornament

[naive lodge]

dude ur cooking

[cloud panther]

mmmm

I think for relics a lot depends on what the other t7 relic is for me

[vocal plover]

im pretty locked for first 2 relics at least, EH into hotfoot and that solves most skills that i cba doing, the rest i can manage later on

[cloud panther]

same for those two

[stuck coral]

Think T7 could be specialist again?

Or that might be 8

[vocal plover]

imagine t7 was option between another relic choice or another region, but that'd fry the points so wouldn't happen

[tacit oyster]

t8 probably combat related relic

[limber knot]

is it likely some form of bankers note is one of the remaining relics?

[shadow badger]

T7 - Reloaded vs Double demonic pact points

[stuck coral]

Yeah.. reloaded was T4 against GG and Equilibrium last league, so not sure what would compete with it as a T7...

[cloud panther]

if it was double demonic pact I think everyone would grab that

[vocal plover]

ye reloaded is cool but more builds is way more fun

[cloud panther]

Can't imagine them doing that though. It would be way too valuable

[vocal plover]

are we gonna be getting 3 relics per day now? or back to 1

[cloud panther]

jeez, Ima hibernate till the 14th

[vocal plover]

theres still a week of reveals but they usually did 2 reveals per day and with bosses / pacts seemingly done idk what else could be revealed

[cloud panther]

They will reveal that every action you do in leagues will alter RL. And if too many people get Dragon cup this league Yama will invade and conquer us all

[shadow badger]

There's 4 relics left to reveal

[tacit oyster]

they still have the demonic pact point system left to reveal, echo weapon stats/info set to release on 10th, 4 relics left and tasks probably 1-2 days before league starts

[blissful fiber]

you guys think the relic opposing reloaded will be golden god/banker note?

[vocal plover]

ooo valid

[cloud panther]

could be

[stuck coral]

Golden god as T7 seems a bit late, though

[cloud panther]

But with some other Relics Golden god doesn't seem as OP as it was back then

[vocal plover]

t7 golden god is free reloaded for me

[tacit oyster]

dont think there is golden god since multiple early tier relics have gold gain on them and thieving was moved to t5

prayer from golden god added to soul harvest

[stuck coral]

Is Last Recall on vacation this league?

[tacit oyster]

transmutation get part of golden god alchemy system

last recall most likely not available this league, evil eye as boss teleport and the other op combat relic last stand completely remade

last 4 relics probably something we have not seen before or at least completely remade versions of old

[shadow badger]

I hope they reveal T7 tomorrow

[patent zinc]

Butlers bell states you get xp for processing, do you also get xp for gathering?

[shadow badger]

Don't think so

[tacit oyster]

9th is big relic release probably since they have had !turtle command teasing it in leagues discord for some time now

[shadow badger]

It specifically mentions production skill

[blissful fiber]

so far i think im going this

[shadow badger]

What does it do?

[tacit oyster]

generates random relic image with turtle theme

[stuck coral]

turns you into a tortugan for the rest of the league

[tacit oyster]

[shadow badger]

New T7 relic makes your character gay

[tacit oyster]

someone did get this, which could tease bankers note i guess

[vocal plover]

i got a similar setup

i wanna see how important clues are this leagues

[toxic vortex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/AOEufyVdZq

[blissful fiber]

apparently they are a big deal

i never played league but they apparently matter a lot

[vocal plover]

2 leagues ago u got hella points from em, they did nerf em last time iirc cus it was too crazy

so ill see how insane they are this time

[shadow badger]

I hope they tie less points to clues

They're so boring to do in leagues

[vocal plover]

if they make clues worse ill go with a dif relic, but if clues are insane ill pick the clue hunter one

either way i can feed zamorak clue drops to minion

[shadow badger]

At least in main game, you have a chance to get rich

[toxic vortex]

they were supposed to lessen the points for clues

but it will still contain a lot of points

but with the changes here you won't need the clue relic to generate a lot of clues

[tacit oyster]

they said less points from clues but if you go minion as t8 you want to do clues for zamorak items

[cloud panther]

I'd say that depends on what zones you take

Some zones like Asgarnia will have access to multiple Zammy items

[pearl sapphire]

Can someone confirm, we have to choose which resource the butler gets right ? It's not like hes grabbing fish ore seeds everything per hour

[bitter wagon]

we need a channel for builds (i guess theories and plans probably works for that tho)

[stuck coral]

zammy items from clues, zammy robes, dagon hai

[bitter wagon]

the way its worded it sounds like you choose 1 activity for him to be doing yes

[cloud panther]

I think you choose 1 type, Idk if you can specify tiers like Iron ore,mithril ore. I would assume yes but idk

[pearl sapphire]

Can't specify tiers, the rates for different resources are on the wiki. like 1/40 for manta ray etc

[cloud panther]

oo can I get a link to that

[pearl sapphire]

i wasn't sure if he's grabbing all the resources though cuz that would be op

[minor summit]

The butler gets a variety of tiers of items

[pearl sapphire]

am i allowed to send links here?

or should i DM

[cloud panther]

If it is the wiki I would assume you can

[potent quail]

Isnt thorns a thrall? Except its always active and only works if you arent safespotting

[minor summit]

Hm?

[pearl sapphire]

u guys can just search for butlers bell on the wiki

or dm me and ill send it

[cloud panther]

okie

[minor summit]

Thorns is like a status effect. When you take damage, the attacker takes some back.

[pearl sapphire]

it said it procs even if u dont take damage

[potent quail]

Exactly

And the attacker wull always attack you while in combat

[cloud panther]

found it ty

[pearl sapphire]

so if the enemy splashes or u protect u still deal thorns

[potent quail]

So its a consistent 3 damage everytime when he attacks you

So its basicly a thrall

[pearl sapphire]

without other synergies yeah

[potent quail]

Depending on the enemys attack speed

[pearl sapphire]

but theres a lot of other synergies

[minor summit]

I guess I am missing something. We got more Pacts revealed?

[potent quail]

Yeah on top of that

[potent quail]

Oh boy

[pearl sapphire]

all pacts are revealed

[bitter wagon]

isn't attacking with a weapon just a thrall but you have to stay focused on the enemy? woah

[potent quail]

He doesnt know

[minor summit]

I don't lol I just woke up

[potent quail]

We got a handful revealed

[shadow badger]

Pinned messages

[minor summit]

Ty 🙂

[cloud panther]

idk how to look at pinned messages I'm dumb

[bitter wagon]

enjoy theorycrafting for 1000 years

[simple oak]

Im playing path of demonic pacts

[minor summit]

Whoa the tree is insane

[bitter wagon]

im looking at mage with some thorns points

[cloud panther]

I figured it out

[potent quail]

These are all the pacts

[cloud panther]

I was also looking at Earth Mage+Thorns

[minor summit]

How do you get the points to unlock them?

[cloud panther]

we dont know that yet

[bitter wagon]

we don't know how many points we'll get yet but most estimates i've seen are like ~30-40ish

[potent quail]

Ah snap just realized you need to wear a shield for thorns to work

[potent quail]

No shot

At most 25

[smoky raft]

what, exactly, is a shield

[potent quail]

30 woulf be busted

[minor summit]

Damn. They are taking Shattered Relics, Sage's Renown and tweaking it this year

[smoky raft]

is it anything in the offhand slot or is it only items with shield in the name

[minor summit]

Your arm can be a shield

[potent quail]

I assume a dragon defender is not a shield

[simple oak]

Earthen tanky battlemage with blindbag glass cannon pray robe spec for burst
10/10 memes and funsies

[tacit oyster]

25 is bare minimum for points, anything lower than that and you are not even getting decent build for 1 attack method in single style

[bitter wagon]

last leagues we could max out 1 combat style, and get halfway through another, so 30 ish points feels right for that

[bitter wagon]

my guess is like 35-40 tho

[tacit oyster]

40-50 would max single style or do 2 different styles

[cloud panther]

I would like a good 40 myself

[shadow badger]

I'm also predicting 40

Already planned a build around it

[cloud panther]

nice, care to share your plan?

[shadow badger]

Can't post links or images.

[simple oak]

42.0 points

[cloud panther]

don't need the link, just an idea of your plan

[pearl sapphire]

42.0 points for max meme value

[bitter wagon]

we need a channel in the discord for pact builds

[vocal plover]

ngl im interested in doing mage for first time, air/earth seem hella fun

[simple oak]

Earthen battlemages unite

[bitter wagon]

i wana do water with the twinflame staff and just heal every single tick

[pearl sapphire]

I'm hoping respecing isn't too difficult, mage seems like it would have a lot of interesting options

[vocal plover]

oooo i forgot abt water healing, 60% is crazy

[shadow badger]

I DMed you

[pearl sapphire]

inb4 need to do an inferno run for each respec

[bitter wagon]

fire blood barrage also looks real goofy

[vocal plover]

burn them mfs

[bitter wagon]

my guess is you have to beat yama to respec or something

[simple oak]

Blindbag full pray robes glass cannon 🙏

[potent quail]

People are saying tripple scythe

Using ornament kits

[simple oak]

Amen

[shadow badger]

I hope it is since it's basically infinite respecs if you have the skills to beat him

[pearl sapphire]

ooh that might actually be the case, sits well with the theme

lmao @ triple scythes

[vocal plover]

gg non kourend

[pearl sapphire]

there has to be a yama variant available to everyone

[vocal plover]

yama fight is only for kourend

[pearl sapphire]

its yama's league, im sure theres an echo yama for everyone

[shadow badger]

Nah echo Yama might be in his special Varlamore lair

[vocal plover]

i hope so

[simple oak]

Mage and melee have all the good memes... range is crossbow

Just crossbow

[pearl sapphire]

obviously they wont reveal that just yet

[vocal plover]

every leagues be like
mage: whimsy
melee: smash with a hammer hard
range: idk jus kill em with bronze darts but u never miss and do 500dmg per hit ig

[pearl sapphire]

sounds about right

[shadow badger]

I went Ranged last league and it was so boring

[vocal plover]

ye me too

[pearl sapphire]

same

[vocal plover]

i was farming levi with bp and i got bored

[pearl sapphire]

i was soloing nex doing it for the first time ever

[bitter wagon]

ballista with the max hit pact sounds real goofy

[shadow badger]

Only thing I did was grind venator bow then quit after 2 weeks

and kill the 3 echo bosses

[bitter wagon]

i wonder if blue moon slap counts for the blind bag pact

[pearl sapphire]

i had tbow. had a whole plan to afk bosses for pets as that's allt hat stays for future leagues

but burnt out too and just forgot about it

[vocal plover]

last time kbd dropped such heat

the shield tht makes u immune to debuffs and khopesh

[shadow badger]

lol I did 5 CoX runs and said fuck it and gave up

[simple oak]

Watch thorns melee be bis

Afk meta

[pearl sapphire]

dude until they make purps guaranteed im not touching kourend

[vocal plover]

raid tasks are why im lazy to pick raid regions since i cba doing like 100 raids for sum points

[simple oak]

Take tob and kourend

[shadow badger]

Zuk kill with justi and dinh's

[bitter wagon]

confliction gauntlets mage about to pop off

[shadow badger]

Yeah I'm going Kourend and CoX is my least favourite part of it

[vocal plover]

valid

[pearl sapphire]

yeah wonder if theres a mage build that just outheals all damage

with overhealing

[simple oak]

Ill have to get for my earthen battlemage setup, that accuracy

[bitter wagon]

earth mage = beef tank
water mage = heal tank
fire mage = dps gremlin
air mage = battle priest

[pearl sapphire]

dude lowkey wanna try barrows with full prayer gear

maybe u can hit a 100 % max roll chance

[cloud panther]

depending on the damage bonus from the defense bonuses Earth Mage could also be hitting like a truck

[toxic vortex]

@unique smelt

[silent depot]

Has it been discussed how the regenration of ammonition works with bowfa? Massive F if you get no ranged echo procs on your bowfa

[toxic vortex]

blowpipe = thrown weapon

[simple oak]

Anchor early game blindbag surprise

[rugged mauve]

Regeneration works on charges iirc

[vocal plover]

oooooo blowpipe gonna smack

[rugged mauve]

Does setting halberds to 5t do anything? I thought nally was already 5t

[serene trellis]

What’s the password for the invitation thing?

[shadow badger]

Chally

[pearl sapphire]

its for chally

[rugged mauve]

Does that have more str bonus?

[pearl sapphire]

before u get nhally

[simple oak]

Someone asked if chally spec hits everything inside the new area, did they get a response?

[pearl sapphire]

u dont wanna be waiting for 92 slayer before your build comes online

[silent depot]

Indeed. However that is a charge, and no ammo was consumed?

Whenever you Regenerate ammo, you have a +25% chance to fire a Ranged echo against the enemy

Ranged echo: An additional ranged attack which rolls with your ranged accuracy against the targets ranged defence. Echo attacks cannot trigger additional echo attacks

[pearl sapphire]

charges are ammo for bowfa logically

[shadow badger]

Probably an error, otherwise that's ass for Bowfa

[vocal plover]

can the zammy hasta reach 2 tiles too or just hallies

[pearl sapphire]

so i think thats probably how its going to work

[plain violet]

does anyone know if blowpipe counts as a thrown weapon for the pacts?

[shadow badger]

It's a hasta not a halberd

[cloud panther]

it does

[pearl sapphire]

any two handed weapon can but wont scale

[simple oak]

Doubt it

[shadow badger]

Yes

[pearl sapphire]

someone just confirmed the blowpipe part

[vocal plover]

ngl it shud have more range since its a long ass spear too just main game wise

[simple oak]

It does?

[pearl sapphire]

it does count

[plain violet]

dope

[simple oak]

Bp gonna go hard

[pearl sapphire]

thing is u wont benefit fromt he 7 tiles tree with stuff other than halbears

and theres a big chunk of damage

like 18 damage or something before other scaling

[simple oak]

So many possibilities

[rugged mauve]

Halberds dont count as heavy right?

[pearl sapphire]

dude if chally is hitting everything

[simple oak]

Now we see if everything is coded correctly

[pearl sapphire]

imagine mm2 tunnels lmao

[rugged mauve]

Or can you double up in melee

[shadow badger]

All the halberds are heavy

[pearl sapphire]

no idea bout that sorry

[rugged mauve]

Sheesh

[pearl sapphire]

man i really wanna do a cbow build but i don't know if i wanna farm nex. not super keen on taking wildy either as im planning on going abundance

[simple oak]

I wanted to see an unarmed tree, ninja kick everything

[pearl sapphire]

barbarian only leagues run?

[rugged mauve]

Well i don’t think your fists weigh more than 1kg

[pearl sapphire]

no weps no tools only fists and kicks

[simple oak]

Yassssss

[pearl sapphire]

i just saw the UIM tag. did i put an idea in your head for real

[rugged mauve]

Is bp scaling with str bonus anything

[pearl sapphire]

oh no..

i mean off the bat taking all the thrown nodes and running eclipse gear

might be something

[vocal plover]

eclipse atlatl doesnt wrok with ranged pacts

[pearl sapphire]

hard to predict for sure without knowing how many points we will have to work with

[simple oak]

42.0 points 👉

[pearl sapphire]

no im saying eclipse armour with the bp

[vocal plover]

oh ye valid

[pearl sapphire]

also we probably dont get max points till a lot later so definitely need an earlyish game plan too

[vocal plover]

air strike earlygame mage

[pearl sapphire]

that doesnt involve 3 scythes with ornament kits

[vocal plover]

lmao

[pearl sapphire]

i was memeing with my clan leader who is also aa content creator

[bitter wagon]

i think eclipse atlatl is a crossbow (those are the only nodes that dont say it wont work)

[pearl sapphire]

that im probably going abundance woodsman kandarin

[vocal plover]

if only

[pearl sapphire]

because hthose were his lowest rated choices

[simple oak]

Isn't an attlatl a real weapon thats thrown irl

[pearl sapphire]

but it might actually be my actual plan now lol

[tacit oyster]

maybe it is mage weapon

[pearl sapphire]

yes it is

[vocal plover]

if the kandarin staff and offhand thingie are good im going kandarin too

[pearl sapphire]

i think larcenist is bait now unless youre going tiranwin

[pearl sapphire]

the problem is i really dont want to go kourend

[shadow badger]

Looks like non-heavy melee weapons are crystal axe, black pickaxe, bone club, all claws, sarachnis cudgel, all daggers, crystal harpoon, and abyssal whip.

[sleek wraith]

That demon butler…..damn

That changes things

[pearl sapphire]

i have heard and seen horror stories from CoX in leagues

making a mage build is fine until u cant get a shadow

[fair imp]

they changed the rates this league so u dont get constant prayer scrolls if u mean that

[simple oak]

No reason to take endless harvest now just log off

[pearl sapphire]

is it guaranteed purples in cm now?

[bleak inlet]

air runes into pure essence noted or not?

[pearl sapphire]

worst case scenario yeah

[shadow badger]

Noted

[bleak inlet]

sad man

[shadow badger]

RC is soul harvest, Zeah RC, or GotR

[pearl sapphire]

im 99 % sure im taking transmutation

[shadow badger]

Transmutation is the best option

[pearl sapphire]

i mean if u have mory or kandarin

u can just afk / mine the ess and spam at nature altar

specially for endless takers

[shadow badger]

No banker's note

[pearl sapphire]

we dont know that yet

[toxic vortex]

less and less likely each day

[shadow badger]

Would be pretty ass if they revealed it now

[pearl sapphire]

its the only one that would even compare to reloaded at t7

[shadow badger]

Only thing it solves is RC

[pearl sapphire]

like almost nothing else would make me think

they have given us solves for almost everything already

prod prodigy isnt happening as its split up

pocket kingdom would be a joke in that spot

I personally don't think theres any skill specific ones left that would require solving

[toxic vortex]

the butler bell is already pocket kingdom

[pearl sapphire]

exactly

[shadow badger]

What's the solve for con other than butler

[toxic vortex]

we have access to a stonemason shop by default in varlamore

[bleak inlet]

is the archery store unlimited stock in kandarin for 200m fletching xp with woodsman and abundance? 🙂

[pearl sapphire]

this

[pearl sapphire]

u need the slayer relic as well or the points but yeah

[shadow badger]

ooh forgot abt that

[pearl sapphire]

i guess it does have arrowtips too ? not too sure

[bleak inlet]

yes it has arrow tips

[inner zenith]

do we know th enumber of total points for the pact yet?

[bleak inlet]

i hope its unlimited stock

[pearl sapphire]

stock will be unlimited 100 % sure

[shadow badger]

No

[bleak inlet]

free 200m fletching then

[pearl sapphire]

that's just not something they will revert it makes zero sense

[inner zenith]

16 seems fair right?

[pearl sapphire]

like giving us gold solve with abundance will make no sense if we cant buy stuff with it

[inner zenith]

2 per tier

[pearl sapphire]

im gonna say 25-30 atleast to amke it fun

otherwise having such an extensive interconnected tree doesnt make sense

[inner zenith]

id like to agree

[shadow badger]

I'm gonna guess ~40

[inner zenith]

I hope im been on the lower end for sure!

[pearl sapphire]

because we wont be able to traverse much at all with anything less than that

[inner zenith]

40 would be 1 full right?

[pearl sapphire]

i know youre lowballing so u dont get disappointed later lmao

[inner zenith]

also, resets or no? im going with no, but i hope we can

[pearl sapphire]

resets confirmed

dunno yet how it will be done

[inner zenith]

oh we can reset?

[shadow badger]

Probably tied to killing echo yama

[inner zenith]

oooh yeah

[pearl sapphire]

one of the theories someone suggested was killing yama

[inner zenith]

i think restrciting resets in a way would be smart

[pearl sapphire]

we are operating on the assumption that we have echo yama available to everyone

[tacit oyster]

no clear info, jmod answer to asking if we can reset points was "something like that"

[pearl sapphire]

they wont make it completely free, and i agree with that decision

[inner zenith]

echo yama will just be radiant++ right? xD

[minor summit]

Damn it, if we can respec i will be changing my whole region plan

[pearl sapphire]

making it fre like in shattered relics was a terrible experience

ppl were trying to min max half the time instead of actually playing the game

[inner zenith]

respeccing is smart for that big of a skill tree

[sinful swallow]

Did they confirm blowpipe thrown

[minor summit]

Blowpipe thrown?

[pearl sapphire]

i think varlamore solving basic gear for all 3 styles makes it a lot easier to plan this time around

[pearl sapphire]

yes thats confirmed

[shadow badger]

Yeah

[minor summit]

Oh because of darts?

[inner zenith]

I just want me 1t ayak :£

[sinful swallow]

Where?

[minor summit]

Yeah true

[pearl sapphire]

honestly dont have high hopes from powered staves, they are leaning heavily into ele stuff this time arund

and i personally like that

[bitter wagon]

2t twinflame is basically 1 tick

[inner zenith]

its all down to how many points we get for me lmao

[inner zenith]

wait.....smart.....

[minor summit]

Im subscribed to news from the Leagues Discord (that I am banned from lol) and it says Blowpipe is thrown

[pearl sapphire]

ayak and bowfa have the same problem in leagues

[inner zenith]

holy shit twinflame will slap...

[pearl sapphire]

if they are really good where do they put the mega rares

[bitter wagon]

watermage twinflame to heal every tick

[pearl sapphire]

yeah twinflame is somethign im excited for too

[inner zenith]

waiiiiit

yh goddam

[minor summit]

I thought melee was going to be my damn combat, seems mage is cooking?

[inner zenith]

i really want thorn + mage build xD

[pearl sapphire]

not a fan of echo cerb, but maybe the new dagger is cool

dogsword was pretty underwhelming for me

i dont think i used it even 10 times in the entire league

melee is cooking too, check blind bag or something lol

[minor summit]

Again, I am so hoping the Dagger and Devil's Element has synergy

[simple oak]

Kandarin sleeper region now we know mage?

[pearl sapphire]

i think they might, fingers crossed ont hat one

[pearl sapphire]

im telling you dude kandarin is gonna cook

the only concern is with them making points equal everywhere

are we getting tasks for 2k monkey laps

because then im not even looking at it

[toxic vortex]

I don't think it was one last league

[inner zenith]

twinflame is asgarnia right?

[toxic vortex]

Yes

[pearl sapphire]

yeah but where do they add points then in kandarin

[shadow badger]

I think it's 500 laps

[pearl sapphire]

there is not a lot to add points to

sort of forces you to take hot footed for kandarin then

[toxic vortex]

[pearl sapphire]

which is sad because it has such good synergy with woodsman too

[bitter wagon]

"Attack rate with combat spells in a spellbook is sped up by # ticks

This cannot reduce attack rate below 2 ticks (1.2s) "

aren't all combat spells on autocast the same speed? it seems weird to specify it cant reduce below 2 ticks

[pearl sapphire]

maybe they specified it due to harm staff

[bitter wagon]

ahh fair

[pearl sapphire]

dont want 1 tick surges with eleemnt lmao

that would be funny to watch though

i have one conspiracy theory

[bitter wagon]

in that case it sounds like its a safe bet to say it reduces by 3 ticks?
unless its a pact you can put multiple points in to reduce by 1 tick per point

[pearl sapphire]

we might be able to put more than 1 point per pact

to increase the %

[toxic vortex]

Doubt

[bitter wagon]

lmao we are on the same wavelenth my dude

[pearl sapphire]

ikr

see because if we get like 40 points or so

for hybrid

[atomic granite]

so shadow goes to 2 tick right ?

[bitter wagon]

gotta put 3 points into mage attack speed i guess

[pearl sapphire]

maybe u put multiple points into the solo ones instead for specific builds

[toxic vortex]

I'd be very shocked if 1) we got that many points and 2) if you could stack points in pacts

[pearl sapphire]

yes but it could be one way to balance point spread between hybrid and solo builds

because otherwise it becomes difficult to manage

[toxic vortex]

thats the point though

[pearl sapphire]

more points might give u diminishing returns

[bitter wagon]

some specific pacts are worded in a weird way that you may need to invest extra in them

[pearl sapphire]

like first one adds 30 % second one 15 more

[inner zenith]

twinflame a 1her?

[latent magnet]

does this mean earth spells can just crank minimum 99s

[inner zenith]

thats what i said!

[toxic vortex]

inconclusive

[shadow badger]

It doesn't say the #

[bitter wagon]

yuuuup, twinflame and shield for mage tank

[inner zenith]

its +1 damage per defence level gained form runes

so no

[pearl sapphire]

they will specify a number instead of the hash

[inner zenith]

its very porly written

[simple oak]

Earthen Battlemages Unite

[inner zenith]

so like 5 at most

[latent magnet]

ohh ok

makes sense

[pearl sapphire]

did they confirmt hat?

i thought it was gonna be like +1 damage per 10 defence levels

so at 99 u gain like 9 damage

[bitter wagon]

misinformation

[inner zenith]

comparing to other relics, thats most likely

not confirmed

look at fire damage one,

thats what i baed it off

[pearl sapphire]

in my head it makes more sense for it to be linked to def level not just def levels from runes

[shadow badger]

Assuming # is 10, at 99 def, that's +9 dmg, and then there's the +5/+15 perm def nodes

[pearl sapphire]

could also be 1 damage per 8 def levels obviously hard to say what the actual number would be

[shadow badger]

Probably 5 or 10 otherwise it's busted

[sick ledge]

i think, we will have lets say 50 points ( just a random number ) and the first few pacts may only cost 1 point, the next bigger ones maybe 2 and the bigger ones may cost 5 points. so that way you could decide to go into every combat direction but might end with not beeing possible to take the strongest pact since you lack points

[pearl sapphire]

mage is sounding more and more versatile

[bitter wagon]

the fire mage capstone does look like complete ass ngl

[pearl sapphire]

this also makes a lot of sense

[winged trench]

Anyone figure out the best setup yet to cheese everything?

[pearl sapphire]

i think it's actually secretly op

[bitter wagon]

i just did math actually yeah its pretty good, 125 damage per minute if you keep it stacked

[pearl sapphire]

see in combat u can sustain it endlessly

wait i read mage capstone not fire mage hang on

[inner zenith]

this man cooked

[pearl sapphire]

yeah fire mage one is very situational i think

dont know how the bouncing interacts in multi either

so assumign we are going there we will take the blood spells are fire spells part

[sick ledge]

hahah

[pearl sapphire]

so we blood barrage does every fire burn bounce to additional targets

that would make it stack a lot faster

[simple oak]

Thorn meta inc boys

[potent quail]

btw i read somewhere that the echo boots have either thorn or reflect damage

[pearl sapphire]

im praying that thorn isnt meta

please no

[simple oak]

Logout butler and afk thorns bossing

[potent quail]

i think we have a great range of builds
yes some will be the best but i say most can do most stuff

[potent quail]

all 3 ranged styles seem very good
mage: powered staves
water healing is dope
fire blood spell extra damage seems dope
earth falt damage

[simple oak]

You can respec is what people are saying

[pearl sapphire]

yeah i'm a big fan of this style of tree

specially after the disappointing poe2 league

[toxic vortex]

@potent quail did you see that husky confirmed bp is a thrown weapon?

[potent quail]

melle its between thorns and long range sack
i do not like the <1kg build though

[potent quail]

ah yes i throw

with my mouth

[simple oak]

Unarmed barbarian life

[potent quail]

[simple oak]

You wouldn't understand

[pearl sapphire]

what have i done

[potent quail]

i dont think that would evenb work?

[pearl sapphire]

im certain its going to be a youtube series

[toxic vortex]

I can see it. because the dart is what the effect is applied to

[potent quail]

no yeah it makes sense

[pearl sapphire]

minmaxing the barbarian build in leagues

[potent quail]

makes throwing actually great

[simple oak]

Cant wear body armor no weapons only kicks and fist

[toxic vortex]

depending on the drygore BP, could be interesting

[inner zenith]

crossbows are kinda cracked this league

[bitter wagon]

assuming tomes don't count as shields, elemental shield is gunna be bis for mage tank unless you take wildy lmao

[inner zenith]

KDB might be the range play

[eternal bane]

meanwhile atlatl the weapon you literally throw isnt what does it even count as, crossbow, bow, ???

[pearl sapphire]

I'm looking at venator bow shenanigans

[simple oak]

Had same thought looooool

[potent quail]

so bow build: guaranteed hits on ALL mobs with aoe option with venators
Crossbow: big hits, no aoe options
thrown weapon: many max hit attacks with fast attack speed and aoe option with chins

[pearl sapphire]

atlatl is a suspended wep

[toxic vortex]

technically it gets fucked straight away

because its classed as a bow

[pearl sapphire]

u carry it all the way and stab em with it

[toxic vortex]

but the bow effects dont apply

lmao

[pearl sapphire]

so it doesnt fall in either category

[shadow badger]

Atlatl is a bow but bow pacts don't work on it lol

[eternal bane]

LOL

[bitter wagon]

i think it is a crossbow actually (bow and thrown both specify they dont work with atlatl, crossbow does not)

[eternal bane]

wait is it just in the gutter then? wtf ahahaha

[toxic vortex]

its a bow

not a crossbow

[simple oak]

Blowpipe is thrown weapon APPARENTLY

[bitter wagon]

the pacts specifically say atlatl is NOT a bow

[toxic vortex]

it says it does not get the effects of a bow

[pearl sapphire]

can confirm i have thrown my bp on the ground to pk ppl while they are busy looting it

[toxic vortex]

but the atlatl is classified as a bow

[potent quail]

^nothign both bow and thrown weapon say atlatl doesnt count

[pearl sapphire]

thrown wep confirmed

[shadow badger]

Can you show where it says this

[potent quail]

they really hate that weapon

[toxic vortex]

"despite not being strung and using a "throwing" attack animation, the atlatl is technically a bow and not a thrown weapon"

[shadow badger]

Prob cuz everyone will grind moons

[pearl sapphire]

it's alwayss gonna be a challening wep to balance around

[potent quail]

oh yeah

i say it should work with the bow nodes

[bitter wagon]

take it up with jagex, looks like its a crossbow in yama's game

[potent quail]

1 tick faster, guaranteed echo attack hit

[toxic vortex]

its not

[pearl sapphire]

probably had a broken combo with thrown and melee nodes + atlatl

[toxic vortex]

the wiki classes it as a bow, not a crossbow

[potent quail]

oh yeah would be busted with thrown you would add your strength twice on it

[simple oak]

Luckily we have blindbag, can throw heavy stuff at guys

[shadow badger]

It's a thrown weapon that's classified as a bow
It's obvious why they put those warnings there

[toxic vortex]

this exact scenario

[pearl sapphire]

cbows might have a lot of very high number potential

but i feel like they would feel very slow to play

[simple oak]

Can we see the blindbag weapons from other players?

[toxic vortex]

unknown

[pearl sapphire]

probably not lol

[simple oak]

Cause im hyped to bring random shit to raids

[bitter wagon]

jagex is testing out cannon changes for sailing this league, giving us massive hits on a slow weapon that takes forever to reload

[potent quail]

venator bow seems crazy though

[pearl sapphire]

shh dont give them ideas

[toxic vortex]

no they need ideas

[bitter wagon]

next update "cannons always max hit, but attack half as fast"

[pearl sapphire]

idk bro maybe im old fashioned, i just dotn think a staff doing more damage than a ships cannon makes sense in my head

[simple oak]

Im just glad uims can sail normally now. I felt so left out on release.

[toxic vortex]

sort of goes against the idea of ship combat

[tranquil falcon]

Where is this JagexHusky discord post located?

[toxic vortex]

what are you looking for

[crisp schooner]

for the atlatl note of it not working with bow or thrown weapon nodes, is that ONLY if you take those as a side effect? ot was that meant to be a general note?

[toxic vortex]

general note I think

[tranquil falcon]

The post from Husky about clarifications on the new relics

[toxic vortex]

they are here: #1163395763146068008 message

[tranquil falcon]

Ty

[pearl sapphire]

well im gonna head off for the day. fun theorycrafting with you all. have fun guys

[crisp schooner]

definitely. especially when paured with diamond bolts for a final +15% multiplier to damage

[shadow badger]

Can't wait for all the complaint posts because OSRS players can't read

[pearl sapphire]

lmao

that's definitely happening

[toxic vortex]

happens every league

[pearl sapphire]

they will link the wiki for sure

i hope they add this to the wiki preemptively

[shadow badger]

Also people with 7 jobs, 12 wives, and 23.7 kids complaining that they fucked up their build and don't have enough time to learn the echo Yama fight

assuming that's how respecs happen

[copper gorge]

Hey i only have 1 job, 1 wife, and 2.6 kids and i have no time to click each relic from that tree to figure out what it does 🤣

[tacit oyster]

what do mean echo yama? they will complain normal yama is too much

[toxic vortex]

contract of pact renegotiation

[toxic vortex]

wheres that guy from yesterday

[shadow badger]

They'll be complaining about amoxi

[copper gorge]

We should have gotten 1 hit kills and guaranteed megarares on first kill

I should be able to get scythe from attacking a man at varlamore, is that too much to ask!?!

[toxic vortex]

fucking gamflex

[simple oak]

Varla start is dope

[copper gorge]

Why do i have to grind content, i want to be given the gift of the gods!

In all seriousness, someones gunna have to help me out with that tree. Whats the consensus outcome?

I opened the link eggman sent i tried to click through but holy shit.

[simple oak]

Pray robes blindbag

[copper gorge]

Adhd go brrrrrrr

[simple oak]

And earthen battlemage

Thats glass cannon and ultra tank

[toxic vortex]

depends. crossbows are gonna be strong. halberds can get up to 7 tile range

theres some cool synergy with the magic pacts and the echo thermy items

[shadow badger]

Earthen battlemage
1 tick powered staffer
Thorns build
Blindbag build
"Ranged" halberd w/ blindbag
Crossbow cannon

[copper gorge]

You cant bait me into going kandarin

[simple oak]

We wont really 'know' metas until the 10th

But Kandarin is bis

[tacit oyster]

if they allow 50 "points" can do crossbow + thorns

[toxic vortex]

huge doubt

[shadow badger]

Hopefully it's at least 40 pts

[toxic vortex]

also huge doubt

[copper gorge]

Youll get like 30 or something like that

Probably less

[toxic vortex]

i think 25-30 makes sense

[potent quail]

100% accuracy bow build

[potent quail]

Toxic blowpipe thrown strength build

spec spam dagger build

blood spell damage burn build

[copper gorge]

Im ngl im very overwhelmed by the perk tree, hopefully its easy to follow on mobile. Did they say anything about how points are accumulated?

[shadow badger]

No

[potent quail]

like almost every mastery allows a working STRONG build

and yes some builds will be stronger

but i am super impressed by jagex that every option seems viable
except like 2

there will be a few builds that will be much stronger
probably powered staves or crossbow

But i can see almost every build clearing everythign (except like enemys that are almost immune to shit)

[shadow badger]

Wish I went with melee last league so I could do crossbow cannon this time

[potent quail]

crossbow could be MASSIVE bait

someone needs to calc the real dps

[rugged mauve]

Wish i went range last league so i could do halberd/blindbag this time

[shadow badger]

Crossbow cannon with kbd cbows seems like it'll be really good

[copper gorge]

What are the crossbow hits with diamond bolts (e)?

[potent quail]

i do think your region choice has a MASSIVE effect on what build you can take

[potent quail]

12% higher

[rugged mauve]

Ballistae count as crossbows right?

[toxic vortex]

should

[shadow badger]

Think so

[tacit oyster]

i think onyx bolts (e) would be higher max hit than diamond bolts

[rugged mauve]

Does anyone know what the ranged damage bonus you get on crossbows if you take all the small range damage pips

[potent quail]

they are also slightly harder to getXD

Onyx bolts (e) have a chance of triggering the Life Leech effect. This will deal 20% extra damage (32% when under the effect of the Zaryte crossbow)[1] and heal the attacker's Hitpoints by 25% of the total damage dealt. This does not work on the undead, as they have no 'life' to leech.
oh

yeah thats nice

[tacit oyster]

should be easy to get 100% ammo save though

[potent quail]

we cant get 100%

ava device will get close though

[rugged mauve]

Karamja just has onyx

[shadow badger]

I think Ava's got you to 99% last league

[potent quail]

infinite onyx with transmutation

[rugged mauve]

Aren’t onyx bolts a drop from colosseum as well

[potent quail]

this league will gbe 80% and the rest you get from skills

buy opals from kramja
upgrade to dragonstone
sell to karamja
buy onyx

[tacit oyster]

you start with 50%, can hit 2 +30% chance notes and multiple +5% noted with 25-30 points

[sleek wraith]

yo man idk what to choose now that the new relics were shared

[potent quail]

i think its 95% in total?

[sleek wraith]

if i have butlers bell i no longer need endless lol

[potent quail]

how do you get exp though in mining wc and fishing?

[cinder remnant]

Are we getting three more relics tomorrow

[shadow badger]

They're prob multiplicative instead of additive

[rugged mauve]

Butlers bell

[potent quail]

that wont be enough
butler exp is not affacted by the leagues rate

[sleek wraith]

mining is ez. just do stars to 99. wc can do wt. fishing prob be worse one

[tacit oyster]

yes most likely so using 10 bolts in an hour, if not less

[potent quail]

also demon butler only gives exp for PROCESSING, not for gathering

[cinder remnant]

WM with fletching is fast 200m skill

[rugged mauve]

Good to know

[potent quail]

processing may be affected though by league buff, not sure

i think you just cant take abundance

[tacit oyster]

processing xp rates are okay, crafting xp is op from butler

[shadow badger]

At max mult, processing is 160 xp per resource

[potent quail]

yeah

processing exp is great

was wrong

but you are not getting wc fishing or mining exp

[shadow badger]

Transmute still seems better tho

[shadow badger]

You can just upgrade a stack while doing raids

[potent quail]

conniving clues _> you want max points
Transmutation -> solve multiple skills
Butlers bell -> you cant play much and are afk for most of the league

[shadow badger]

So just a crafting solve

[tacit oyster]

at 16x xp butler gives you 5.7m crafting xp per day

[shadow badger]

Get butler's bell and play main game

[simple oak]

You're on to something here

[potent quail]

i think you must take barb gathering or endless harvest

abundance just makes you hardstuck on wc fishing and mining

[tacit oyster]

people thought endless harvest was good afk, butler's bell doesnt even need you to be logged in

[simple oak]

No-one is hard stuck on wc fish mine

[shadow badger]

If you pick endless and transmute, then hotfoot is off the table since transmute doesn't affect bars

[shadow badger]

Finally, a league for everyone

[potent quail]

i coudl take barb transmute
So i dont need agility exp from hotfoot

[storm wigeon]

does anyone know if that soul harvest relic REPLACES all farmed crops? Or in addition to farmed crops?

[shadow badger]

Go get your 500 monkey laps done

[worldly quiver]

what day go live leagues?

[potent quail]

it says instead

[shadow badger]

Does not replace

Video proof

[potent quail]

barb gives agility exp lol

[storm wigeon]

Yeah it says instead, but the wording is very odd. I get it replacing bones/ashes, but replacing crops seems counter intuitive.

[gilded totem]

Why is the leagues so busted. One of the Magic Pacts gives earth spells 1 flat damage per defense level you have

[shadow badger]

Yeah I'm picking barb and woodsman

[storm wigeon]

Awesome

[storm wigeon]

Same

[worldly quiver]

what day did go live leagues?

[tacit oyster]

1 damage per # defence levels, so not that large damage increase

[shadow badger]

It doesn't say how many defense levels

[potent quail]

here is my porblem

on league start i am on vacation

i CANT PLAY active e,e

so i kinda am forced to take endless harvest to get anything done

[shadow badger]

April 15th

[rugged mauve]

Transmute is just free onxy for crafting right?

[worldly quiver]

thx 🙂

[storm wigeon]

My problem with Endless is it basically FORCES you to take Fremmy/Kourend/Wilderness/Desert and then Prif. Otherwise you gimp yourself on the tools

[rugged mauve]

A bunch of nodes are permanent defense boost

[potent quail]

up to dragonstone

but can trade up in karamja

[shadow badger]

Only goes up to dstone

[shadow badger]

Tools don't matter too much
Just get rune

[cloud panther]

Ya I don't think Tools are going to be the biggest deal

[potent quail]

this is the hella neat line on barb

[shadow badger]

Also you're gonna pick at least one of those regions

[shadow badger]

Barb already acts as having crystal tools so this is a bonus

[storm wigeon]

I mean fair, but also regular gathering speed. So minutes at a time per ore lmao. I just dont see the value everyone is hyping it up to be. Barbarian seems much better

[potent quail]

i think the decision between endless and barbarian gathering is just:

are you active? or do you want 30 minute afks?

[shadow badger]

Endless is for the AFKers and the "30 mins after I go to bed"-ers

[potent quail]

because if you are active

Barb gathering is ALWAYS better then endless harvest

[shadow badger]

Resource competition is a problem for mining

[potent quail]

(ignore fighting for resources with the other hundreds of players on league start)

yeah

[storm wigeon]

I afk a lot. But im still going barbarian instead, feel ill be active more than I can effectively afk. My work has a lot of deadzones

[shadow badger]

I guess you can put off mining till later

[simple oak]

Abundance is king

Skip the early game

[storm wigeon]

Stinky abundance

Lol

[potent quail]

early on you do want points though
and like first 50 lvls are lots of freebie points in minutes

[potent quail]

faus did mention huntsman
varlamore only ->hgunter 99 -> easy 3000 points

[storm wigeon]

As soon as I get woodsman, im power leveling hunter

[shadow badger]

Woodsman?

[simple oak]

Abundance + butler make gp logged in or logged off

[shadow badger]

I'm planning on going barb -> woodsman -> evil eye -> transmute -> farmer's accord -> culling spree -> larcenist -> flask of fervour

[gilded totem]

per # of defense. as in +99 damage at max, with an extra 60 levels from misc pacts and more with potions

[simple oak]

Barb is tempting because of the animations

[shadow badger]

Last one I might change to minion to auto-collect bones for prayer with transmute

[gilded totem]

And 2H staves get a 3tick speed attack speed boost

[potent quail]

if you want gp take transmute and sell wrath runes

[shadow badger]

Yeah it doesn't specify what "#" is

[gilded totem]

yeahhhh I guess

[shadow badger]

It could be 1, 5, 10, etc.

[simple oak]

I listen to the finance guys they said always go for passive income

[gilded totem]

I like to think it'll be "1"

[potent quail]

could be 99

[shadow badger]

• twinflame

[gilded totem]

Transmute basically makes endless harvest the definitive pick over Barbarian training.

[rugged mauve]

Surely its sell dragonstone?

[potent quail]

sure but you only get tokull for that

[shadow badger]

Yeah good luck transmuting iron all the way to runite

[rugged mauve]

General stores?

[potent quail]

if you find one that sells dragonstone sure :v

[rugged mauve]

Dont general stores buy anything?

[potent quail]

never did:D

[shadow badger]

There's a shop in Shilo that sells for high alch price if you're wearing karamja gloves

[potent quail]

ohhh

6000 coints

not worth it but cool

[vagrant acorn]

by brimhaven *

[shut gulch]

How does the accuracy bonus work? Lets say I have 30% accuracy against a boss and I have 50% accuracy bonus from pacts. Will that result in 45% accuracy or is there a some hidden calculation with attack roles and stuff and my finally accuracy is going to be much higher?

[rugged mauve]

Where do you see that it doesnt go to onyx btw?

[potent quail]

faq in leagues discord

[shadow badger]

Obli's General Store is a general store run by Obli in Shilo Village on Karamja. This general store has the largest stock of general stores with items varying from Machetes to Candles, and Charcoal to Spades.

Unlike other general stores on the island of Karamja, Obli offers better prices with Karamja Gloves 1 instead of needing Karamja Gloves 3.

[rugged mauve]

Rune ore probably better actually?

[potent quail]

yeah probably

[rugged mauve]

Or tree seeds?

[potent quail]

somnonee needs to do the mathXD but for me thats my money solve

stacked noted iron ore

and slowly getting it up while doing other shit

[rugged mauve]

Question is with transmutation whats your t5?

It kinda solves farming and prayer

[shadow badger]

Farmer's accord then reload to larcenist

[potent quail]

it solves seed gathering not farming

[shadow badger]

Larcenist is goated if you have priff

[potent quail]

i think i will use transmutation for the seeds
and natures accord for the farming exp

maybe thats overkill

not sure

[shadow badger]

Nah that's what I'm doing

Also getting seeds from Woodsman

[rugged mauve]

I think last leagues trees were more than enough for 99 farming on their own

But tbf i had priff

[tacit oyster]

transmutation solves farming better than natures accord if you did not take kourend for tithe farm/farming guild

[potent quail]

then probably larcenist, only way to solve thieving

and hope i find a good way for RC with transmutation

[cloud panther]

In other news I did some thorns math and I think with the right gear setup you can recoil like 90 damage every hit splat. Please note this is napkin math so I might be wrong.

[potent quail]

i have no regions chosen yet

will choose my relics and build first
and then the regions to fill holes/fit builds

[toxic vortex]

Mory is about the only region i have picked

[shadow badger]

Yeah that's what I did

[rugged mauve]

Aren’t sunfire runes not awful rc training for this?

[toxic vortex]

still relic slots left, we don't know how much skill tree points we will get

also echo item details

[potent quail]

man we are on the same wavelengthXD

[rugged mauve]

Desert has gotr right?

[toxic vortex]

yes

[covert field]

I'll keep throwing this in here now and then; but it'd be really, really nice to know if EH worked with the Daeyalt mines

[shadow badger]

RC is Zeah RC, GotR, or soul harvest

[potent quail]

they said they designed 1 echo item for each build on the pact skill tree

[toxic vortex]

sure, but I still want to see the specifics

[potent quail]

desert for gotr and raid? 🤔

[shadow badger]

I guess you could also use map of alacrity to tele near altars with essence

[toxic vortex]

like, how does the battlehat play to that

[simple oak]

Kourend/mory/kand
Earthen tanky battlemage
And pray robes blindbag

[shadow badger]

and temp

[potent quail]

fishing is already solved lol

[tacit oyster]

transmutation noted essence into map of alacrity teleport to shortcut near rc altar also works

[rugged mauve]

Desert+wildy good start for cbow build?

[shadow badger]

It's V's helmet, not battlehat

[toxic vortex]

i know

I'm calling it battlehat

[cloud panther]

With transmute you can just sit next to an alter and transmute low lvl runes into essence right?

[toxic vortex]

no

[shadow badger]

Noted essence

[tacit oyster]

no, they will be noted

[potent quail]

wtf is this build

[stuck coral]

mage tank or somethingf

[shadow badger]

How do I post images here

[potent quail]

mhh interesting

he has a point skipping the start of the mage tree

the earth and base one seem quite bad

easy access to the top nodes

and way to thorns

[toxic vortex]

you dont yet have the chat rank for image embeds

but not far from it

[cloud panther]

ahh darn

[potent quail]

man this seems like a very realistic tribrid build

[cloud panther]

I am thinking of magetank or thorns build

[potent quail]

this is 20 skillpoints

i do like guaranteed max hit Air + crossbow build

[shadow badger]

Das more than 20 tho

Melee build alone is 15 pts

[potent quail]

oh baited thats 28

[rugged mauve]

No way were getting 20 if you can do that much with it

[potent quail]

thats 28 my bad

[shadow badger]

I'm assuming it's close to 40

[simple oak]

Glass cannon thorns meta, gotta take dam to give it

[cloud panther]

Thorns works even if you get hitsplat

[shadow badger]

Considering there's a few pacts involving weapon swaps, that might encourage focusing on 2 styles

[cloud panther]

of 0

[simple oak]

Thorns works even if you get hitsplat of 0

[cloud panther]

ye

and with the right armor setup I think you can push 70damage in thorns damage every hitsplat

90 if you include ring of torment. since the one demonic pact includes recoil

[rugged mauve]

Echo boots

[cloud panther]

are those in this league?

[rugged mauve]

I believe they dropped as full boots last league?

[cloud panther]

they did but I don't think I've seen it mentioned them being in this noe

[rugged mauve]

Probably going asg+mory if you wanna maximize defense

[cloud panther]

this one

[rugged mauve]

Im saying you can just get all the regions for echo boots and it’s not bad

[slim glen]

Which page ur using, looks much more interactive

[toxic vortex]

this would give you +30% chance to roll max accuracy with a full distance nox hally

[potent quail]

my build idea

100% max hit build all the time

23 skill points min 26 luxus build

you max hit with crossbow, switch to smoke/air spell hit with that and switch back

[cloud panther]

oo nice

[potent quail]

witha few more skillpoints you take way more accuracy and a bit of rnaged echo chance

also solves prayer but not healing sadly

[rugged mauve]

There’s some that give a bonus if you have an offhand yeah?

[cloud panther]

ye

[toxic vortex]

+65% accuracy in all attack styles with this

[potent quail]

i think you want a bit more then that

[toxic vortex]

depends on how many points we get

[potent quail]

for sure grab the 35% one in ranged

also

[lofty zinc]

Do we know how many points were gonna get?

[potent quail]

we still dont know if we can take multiple masterys

if we can for sure get both crossbow ones

[toxic vortex]

no

[toxic vortex]

right, just one more point for that

[lofty zinc]

I'm gonna guess 20 to 24

[cloud panther]

We don't know enough about the demonic pact system

[toxic vortex]

that gives +100% across all styles

[lofty zinc]

Don't know how those points will be acquired

[potent quail]

i said 25 since the start

[cloud panther]

My guess would be around 40

[potent quail]

leagues discord is coping HARD

and saying stuff like 30+

i do assume each node costs 1 skillpoint btw

[cloud panther]

25 just seems kinda low with the amount of choices

[tacit oyster]

20 would mean you cannot get prayer penetration at all unless you sacrifice all other nodes for it

[potent quail]

this is always max hit
infinite prayer
max hit on cbow: 100+
mmassive amount of accuracy nodes
26 skillpoints

[shadow badger]

Yeah I'm sticking with my guess of 40 cuz you could reasonably build into 2 styles

[lofty zinc]

Hm I see

[toxic vortex]

you can reasonably build in to two styles with way less than 40

[lofty zinc]

I feel like maybe 26 - 32 then

[rugged mauve]

Is the node with -2 attack speed on crossbows even worth taking?

[potent quail]

40 is enough to get 3 styles lol

[potent quail]

math wise yes

[lofty zinc]

What would be dope is if we could max out the tree with enough effort

[cloud panther]

that would be so OP

[toxic vortex]

would be really fuckin cool

[shadow badger]

Instead of respecs, you just get more points

[potent quail]

only looking at Cbows if it has a attackspeed of 4 ticks
a 2 tick increase lowers damage by 50%

but node increases max hit by 70% so thats a buff

the damage loss is smaller if your cbow has a 5 tick attack rate

[toxic vortex]

maybe tied to league points?

[lofty zinc]

Like it don't even got to be easy to get points past ~26, but like if you can just keep going would love that.

[potent quail]

its not worth it at 3 tick attackspeed i think

[rugged mauve]

Ballista is 6t right?

[potent quail]

there is also more synergie with other max hit increases like onyx bolt (e)

[toxic vortex]

so, whats the consensus with these two

[rugged mauve]

Is the kbd cbow 2 handed?

[toxic vortex]

is it better to have a higher max or higher min

[toxic vortex]

i think so

[potent quail]

most likly

[potent quail]

min hit for sure
or both lol

[shadow badger]

I think it's 2 crossbows that work together to be a 2 hander

[slim glen]

Which app or page ur using to try that builts? will be so handy for me for leagyes

[potent quail]

https://www.osrsleaguescountdown.io/tree

OHHH

i am CHOSEN

i can post links to everywhere

[slim glen]

ohhh ty

[potent quail]

muhahahahahaah

[lofty zinc]

The chosen one

[slim glen]

any other page that can be haandy for that?

[potent quail]

what rune rank does to a guyXD

[toxic vortex]

you hit rune rank

[potent quail]

i assume tomorrow we get a official skill tree from jagex

[potent quail]

a while agoXD

[slim glen]

ohhh nice!

ty m8

[potent quail]

but like the one on the website

is crazy good already

oh snap 1 thinbg i missed with my build

is there a good echo weapon for elemental spells
especially air

[toxic vortex]

most likely the stuff from thermy

[potent quail]

and i nneed to reach 100 prayer bonus for my build to work

while also keeping accuracy for cbow

huh thats not 100

shit

build still works but is much worse

[kind viper]

Tbf, we don't know how many mastery points we getting

[tacit oyster]

better hope echo gear gives prayer bonus, echo blessing was +5 last time

[kind viper]

Nor how we will be getting them

[potent quail]

really locks in regions though

[potent quail]

mhh air weapon for sure will give prayer bonus though

[kind viper]

The fact that it's a pact suggests there is a downside to getting points, but the skill tree suggests its just certain combat achievements again

[potent quail]

also jsut realized i really need to get the tick lowering for spells

[potent quail]

the price is our soulXD
may be some kind of boss hunting thing
each bounty claimed -> soul for yama = 1 skill point

[tacit oyster]

have to collect yama contracts from demons in chasm of fire for points

[potent quail]

or maybe the 30 lvls of yama

[toxic vortex]

@potent quail

[potent quail]

lvl 1 = stats of a man
lvl 30 = echo echo yama

[toxic vortex]

+150% accuracy for all styles

30 points

[potent quail]

huge that is probably to much accuracy thoguhXD

[empty pagoda]

that thing is so huge

there's like a billion things there.

[toxic vortex]

Yes

[potent quail]

also taking no bow mastery looks weird afXD

[toxic vortex]

yeah I realized I left that off

So you can sacrifice the +15% in the mage tree for one of the bow masteries with that same build

[potent quail]

i think you can save the 4 mage points
and maybe even the 2 ranged points and lose 70% accuracy

[potent quail]

also its more then 150

[toxic vortex]

right, its just how it shows on the page

the other issue here is that I dont have any prayer pen in that build

[potent quail]

is there a way to get powered staff max hit down to 0?

i get super close with thammarons scepter

[tall latch]

Which tiers are you guys considering using reloaded on based on known info

[shadow badger]

Farmer's accord -> reload into larcenist

[potent quail]

mhh peopla are saying kbd cbow counts as a ice attack

so this is healing every shot

[shadow badger]

Yeah KBD cbows have a ice barrage type attack

Could be spec tho

[potent quail]

spec that full heals you /overheals you

sounds solid to me

WAIT OMG
omegabrain build idea

combine this
with this

[kind viper]

Im just confused about the earth spell build

Since it says it deals extra flat dmg based on your defense level

[potent quail]

tldr
flat damage is insanely broken
thats it

[kind viper]

Doesn't it just give you 99 extra hit if you max defense?

[potent quail]

it may be 1 flat hit per 5 defence lvls

[shadow badger]

Prob gonna nerf it to 5 or 10 def levels

[true phoenix]

anyone got similar plans or thoughts on mine
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