leagues-general

[sleek wraith]

they def nerfed most of the old relics

they want this league to last longer than last league

[plain pasture]

they havnt nerfed so to speak

theyve combined relics, but made the effects less per relic of old

[slate hollow]

No last recall and no bankers note would be refreshing.

[sleek wraith]

if we dont get either of those ill grab boss relic

[plain pasture]

the relics themselves are more op, due to more effects

[sleek wraith]

use another teleport to quick bank

[plain pasture]

but each relic theyve combined into these has had a nerf of some kidn from original to balance

[sleek wraith]

or use it together with poh to pool refresh and go back to bossing

watch we get recall but has a timer on it

like a 2min timer

[slate hollow]

Is it just me or are the t8 underwhelming?

[sleek wraith]

they are underwhelming

[plain pasture]

timer based on task compeltion/combat achs or along those lines

[sleek wraith]

ats it stands minion is what ill choose...

[plain pasture]

minion is broken af

[sleek wraith]

the potion is meh since i gotta click it

[plain pasture]

flask is doggy doo doo

not even a consideration choice for those short bus people

[sleek wraith]

i need to know what third relic of t8 is

[plain pasture]

its like a temu specialist

[slate hollow]

I have a feeling third option is gonna be the no brainer

[plain pasture]

for me, the minion is clear choice

the afk aspect of auto banking loot, plus the dps output on charged minion

is no brainer

[slate hollow]

The max hit is so low though for a t8

[plain pasture]

3-20 once charged

so avg 11.5

and hits 3 tick

not 5

[slate hollow]

That feels like t5/6

[plain pasture]

and aoe attack...

[toxic vortex]

considering that the guardian last time was a max hit of like, 12

and slower

its a big buff

[slate hollow]

Aoe is fair point.

[plain pasture]

minion is more op than u give credit for

[toxic vortex]

its something like 6 dps

[plain pasture]

thats 300-600 damage every minute, auto banks all ur loot, does aoe attacks in multi

and hits 3 tick, with accuracy more than shadow

[toxic vortex]

I hope it does affect all loot and not just one drop per cycle or something

[plain pasture]

for example, rather than goign farmign relic

go afk at an npc for ur herbs

go make good, come back and enjoy

food*

[slate hollow]

Yea that's my plan.

[plain pasture]

ill be picking minion 99.9999%, unless 3rd pick is some insanely op dps relic that makes my shadow blow me while slapping raids

[slate hollow]

Fair points on the minion though.

Well 7 days and we will have a much clearer picture. Have a good week lads.

[plain pasture]

im hoping the combat system is nice

and not nerfed but more styles or somethign

id rather have one op style than 2 nerfed to shit

[slate hollow]

Rumors are pretty promising.

[plain pasture]

my thoughtrs atm are that its gonna be similar to dmm trinkets.
where you can interchange ur combat style

on par with shattered relics, but less variations

praying to odin that isnt gonna be based on yama though.
F that boss

[slate hollow]

well. hate to tell ya...kinda think it is

[plain pasture]

if im forced to kill yama over nd over ill probs not bond the acc and go back to AOE or something

[sleek wraith]

feel like it will be a pact where you can choose any combat at any time but you get a negative effect on opposite style

[plain pasture]

massively against forced content to enjoy the game

[ripe turtle]

Are there combat masteries this league?

Im assuming yes but there's just nothing on the blog page about them

[sleek wraith]

yeah. chances are they are saving that for last reveal

next saturday or sunday i bet we get a stream with devs talking about leagues and the relics

[molten gust]

Yeah heres hoping we hear something about it soon. I know last minute to build hype. But wanna see something soon.

[molten gust]

I wonder what, if any extra reveal we will get tomorrow.

[celest widget]

tirannwn echo boss maybe

[unique smelt]

Hoping for more than one echo per region, or at least a bonus one in Varlamore

[sleek wraith]

hunleff was already mentioned its coming back

[celest widget]

the item hasnt been revealed though no?

[sleek wraith]

same item as last time with hunleff but a new exciting change

is what they said

[celest widget]

ohh

[junior matrix]

Since hotfoot and friendly forager Look at your current Level, will they be boosted by abundance?

[copper gorge]

Brother thats 75% of runescape. What can you even do in the game if you dont do the forced content? So much stuff is locked behind that stuff its crazy. Im a negative dude, always glass half empty, but you must be fun at parties huh?

I dont understand why you would bother with leagues with this viewpoint because you waste your time for 2 months for cosmetic upgrades.

[tacit oyster]

you are never forced to do anything, you just want to do it for extra rewards

[plain pasture]

Forced content in relation to reward.
Max cape is nowhere near worth getting.
It's not like grinding cox for ancestral upgrades.
It isn't an upgrade in terms of stats

It's just a cosmetic cape that some people believe is an accomplishment, but it's not skill based so barely accomplishment

[molten gust]

Its clear you’ve never had it if you think its just cosmetic. Thing is useful as hell.

[plain pasture]

It saves 1 invo space

For over 2k additional hours of training for an iron.

There isn't a universe where that it worth

Opinion is irrelevant in this matter, as worth is defined by time.
Abd it will never save you 2000 hours from obtaining it

My argument was it should be comp cape stats.
Combined bis capes.
Quiver, infernal, ma2 cape.
So a hybrid cape.
Then you could argue its worth

In the live game, skilling past diary requirements is not worth objectively.
For the most part.

And diary requirements to max cape is approx 2.1k hours for an ironman.

Assuming your not no living 3 tick method etc.

[molten gust]

Not sure why you’d be chatting in a leagues chat channel if you are going on about worth of time in a grind. Your opinion on this is clear. I disagree, and I’ll leave it at that.

[plain pasture]

It isn't a matter of opinion it's fact

The argument is time to obtain/reward.
And it will never pay itself off in time used.
So it's objectively not worth, ther his no debate possible regarding that.

And it was mentioned regarding leagues maxing

[molten gust]

Objectively, this is your opinion on this. Trying to phrase it differently doesn’t change what it is. But once again this is the chat for leagues. Not for discussion about the worth of maxing.

[plain pasture]

Someone tried arguing abundance isn't best for maxing in leagues.
So example was given of time saved

Which led to the factual calculation of time saved vs time taken to obtain for max cape in live game.

[copper gorge]

Active time vs passive time

[plain pasture]

That is a different thing entirely.
But even so I'd say abundance still takes the biscuit

[copper gorge]

You go abundance you still have to smith the bars. You still have to do agility laps, you still have to do all the tasks.

You can just do them 10 levels earlier.

[plain pasture]

Yes 100%

But them 10 lvls is a lot

Doing rune at 75 is huge, almost 25%

Doing redwood at 80

Etc etc

[copper gorge]

Ok and all that time saved is gone by running to bank to empty your inventory

[plain pasture]

Laps on rooftops early, fishing earlier.
It all adds up for eveey skill.

Plus endless is 3 skills
Barb 4

Vs almost 20 with abundance

[copper gorge]

I have thought about abundance when it first came out. You gotta be active and sweaty for it

[plain pasture]

It can only be argued subjectively, what you'd prefer tbh.
And FYI I probably won't be going abundance.
But I won't be maxing so I'm going for the bis non max choice.

For maxing in terms of time bis is abundance.

For QOL, afk etc then yeh it's endless or barb.
But the argument was which is best which in osrs translates to time

[copper gorge]

But you arent factoring in any of the intangibles

[plain pasture]

Which will get u max cape fastest, which is abundance

[copper gorge]

Great you can mine coal at 20 instead of 30. You gotta bank every 28 mined.

[plain pasture]

Or u drop

The argument wasn't qol.
It was which is best.
Which means fastest methods for each skill sweatfest

Qol/preference plays no part in the argument xd

[copper gorge]

So basically you take the 10 best boost go for max xp per hour dont bank or get any actual resources. Seems fun

[plain pasture]

Well that's what's best for maxing

[copper gorge]

Is it?

[plain pasture]

Question wasn't which is most chill

Xd

[sleek wraith]

Holy crap are you still talking about how maxing is a waste of time????

[plain pasture]

I'm a chilled player I'd never skill unnecessarily

[plain pasture]

Someone put their 20p in so responded

And corrected them

[plain pasture]

Also for supplies, with thieving 10x and t8 minion.
You'll have surplus supplies for every skill.

Endless is the most chill option, for relaxed players who enjoy afk.

Barb is the same but less afk, more use.

Abundance is for the sweats who wanna rush skills and max the fastest.

"Best for maxing" would be Abundance as that argument is based on time to obtain.

But "best" overall is entirely subjective as it depends on your PlayStyle; chilled vs sweat.

Currently ill be going endless/barb into forager.
As I want qol from relics.
No intentions to max at all.

But that may change depending on next relics.

[copper gorge]

You also have to take into effect area locks.

Im just saying, its really not as much of a "boost" as you think it is.

[toxic vortex]

Not worth the effort man

[copper gorge]

This is low effort dr egg

Endless harvest into hotspot, solves: fishing, cooking, wc, fletch, agility, fm, mining, smithing, and gp

[toxic vortex]

BG in to hotfoot because I want to punch rocks

[copper gorge]

Crystal tool off the jump is very nice.

I just like the double all mate from EH. Because it lets you do multiple skills after.

[copper gorge]

Con as well forgot about that one.

Basically just leaves rc, thieve, slayer, hunter, crafting, and farming

And herb* moons gives a ton of crafting and herb. Can take care of crafting and thieving with thieve relic or farming and herb with farm relic.

[toxic vortex]

Problem with that is with the boosted uniques rate you won't be getting as much regular stuff

[molten gust]

Yeah that was a problem with Yama last time during gridmaster.

[fickle pine]

the best part of barbarian gathering, is the 50% roll chance after a fail. That really speeds up late game resource gathering

based on binomial distribution, that means you will 99% of the time succeed on your third attempt

4-12 tick redwood mindset.

still picking abundance though

[copper gorge]

Combat masteries going to really be the path finder tho

[fickle pine]

Abundance = combat focus.

[tacit oyster]

Abundance has its own benefits it just means you have to manually do gathering skills longer

[copper gorge]

With crab, dont think im worried about the +10 early stuff tho.

80 combats should be super fast.

[molten gust]

Yeah tbh people think too highly of the +10 levels. Thats 10 early levels which usually only take like 10-15 mins in leagues.

[fickle pine]

what I wanted to do is start resource grinding after I get tier 2, so friendly forager has the most procs per action
I understand high xp mindset, but I think that resource gathering on low xp outputs like
Calcified rocks
Butterfly catching
karambwanji fishing
(cant think of a good woodcutting one yet)
make sense when using abundance and forager

Alternatively, the other route in my mind is woodcutting focus Barb gathering > Woodsman > Natures accord for the mass output of tree farming from your farming patches. a redwood tree in the farming guild > fast pace resource gathering 10x resources noted

[tacit oyster]

It is like 10-15% time save in some of the other skills if you do not go for post 99 xp tasks. For some players who wont even go 99 it is good but at that point it should be competing with afk gathering from EH, unless they absolutely do not want to skill for points

[molten gust]

The other addition exp is good yeah. But those first 10 levels are not a huge amount is all I’m saying.

[fickle pine]

those levels are not for early game in my mind, it is more about gaining late game skill tresholds at lower levels,
Like pickpocketing higher level npcs earlier, without natures accord, it dictates what seeds you can use, or agility skips if you choose not to go with evil eye.
once you get to like 80 in non-combat skill, it can solve higher tasks earlier, granting points sooner

[copper gorge]

Yeah its a perm +10. Not just you start at 11.

[fickle pine]

gives you access to resource/grinding monsters faster in Varlamore as well, like a sulphur/frost nagua. instead of 48, just need to get to 38 slayer early game b4 you get to t6 with culling

[toxic vortex]

You can't boost for higher tier slayer tasks

[fickle pine]

I am not talking about being on task, just to kill

[molten gust]

Oh its a level boost and not exp? Well guess it would make doing higher level stuff easier. But overall I still don’t think I’d bother with it myself. Planning on grabbing the barb one.

[toxic vortex]

Yes it's a perm +10 boost

Like eating a super spicy stew

[fickle pine]

Still think that is a great choice too

[toxic vortex]

It's a good choice in terms of being able to rush tasks faster

But I tend to agree that it's usefulness does drop off

[copper gorge]

They all have their benefits and usefulness

[fickle pine]

your PoA matters more than the perks you choose

[copper gorge]

PoA?

[fickle pine]

Plan of Action

[copper gorge]

Oh 100000%. Having perks and going to a region that isnt synergistic makes the tier useless.

[fickle pine]

agreed

[copper gorge]

Like last league i went grimoire and had to do nightmare to get staff to autocast ancients. Never got it.

Grim was kind of a waste.

[fickle pine]

damage prayers are nice, but there are so many other factors that benefit damage output in osrs, where they fall off in leagues

[odd cove]

where reveal

[molten gust]

Don’t see one yet atm for the page.

[copper gorge]

Yeah the damage prayers didnt particularly factor in once you got to a certain point. Like usefulness was ehh

[molten gust]

But yeah for ancients now. We got blue moon spear and dragon hunter wand to pick.

[copper gorge]

Was just giving an example where plan of action matters more so than relic

[fickle pine]

I got you

[molten gust]

Yeah since I am planning for mory melee. I don’t really feel the need for slayer relic too much. So it will probably be between grimoire and whatever the 3rd is for me.

[fickle pine]

That is an interesting idea, why does the slayer relic fall off based on your strategy?

[tacit oyster]

i guess he can get unimbued black mask

[copper gorge]

Slayer relic honestly could be huge for you. Nechs (high chance at superior), abby demons (whip), abby specs (herbs).

[molten gust]

The superiors helps more for mage then anything since you’ll get heart easy. And yeah can get a black mask for my melee stuff. Sure being able to pick between tasks is nice along with the amount. But I am not super worried since I do plenty of normal slayer already. I’ll just do them normally.

[toxic vortex]

Understated aspect

[molten gust]

Of course things might change depending on how the combat stuff is and the pacts. Whatever that could be

[toxic vortex]

Having base access to those is a nice thing

[fickle pine]

I see your point

[copper gorge]

Bosses for end game? I think slayer perk also lets you not have to wear a slayer helm?

[low cloak]

Where's today's reveal?

[molten gust]

Not revealed yet.

[low cloak]

What's Gagecks doing?

[molten gust]

Yeah having that would be nice. But overall I still am not stressed about that particular pick.

[low cloak]

Why no reveal???

[molten gust]

Oh I just found something. On the blog for the April 7th reveals. Its now got 3 blank relics shown and a 4th one with a ? On it. I don’t think that was there before.

[low cloak]

You don't say...

Whoa

[molten gust]

Maybe its implying we will see 4 that day?

[toxic vortex]

I think it will be a teaser for a pact

It's a different shape than the relic

[molten gust]

OH YOUR RIGHT!! Thats the shape for combat masteries

They have been that shape each time.

[errant pebble]

Maybe 3 relics and 1 pact

[toxic vortex]

How many relics are left?

Like 5?

[errant pebble]

I thought that too, but no

8 I think

Yeah, 8

[molten gust]

8 atm. Still have yet to see today’s.

[errant pebble]

I would want all masteries reveal at once

Or at least full masteries for 1 style

[molten gust]

Still got nothing on the blog it seems. Its usually between 11-12est time so probably will pop up soon.

[inner zenith]

maybe a day off 😮

usually 4pm gmt

[stable breach]

Maybe, I would hope they just had these posts pre-scheduled

[inner zenith]

Sunday is traditionally THE day off in the UK too... Not to be the dream crusher xD

Edot: the grammar was horrible lmao

3 weeks of teasers? over 6 days each week? 6...6...6....

😮

[molten gust]

It is easter sunday I guess.

[inner zenith]

oh yh and bank holiday inc monday

[languid mauve]

I think masteries is April 7th

[molten gust]

Yeah with that hint for it on the blog. It would make sense.

[twilit halo]

Im the only one that cooks in my house, and i have to work today, so were having pizza for easter dinner. A new reveal was the only thing i was looking forward to today, i hope we get one.

[low cloak]

If today was going to be a day off then why have this day on the blog?

[slate hollow]

Update when?

We all know the posts are prerecorded and written. They just have to press upload remotely. Holiday Shmaliday

[low cloak]

That's it?

That's all we get today?

[slate hollow]

That's such lame upload....

[smoky raft]

there's probably something sneaky hidden in there for the nerds to find. The visual noice definitely wasn't accidental

[low cloak]

Damn

[slate hollow]

I'll ask Chatgpt. Brb

[molten gust]

There was a qr code for a second that flashed up

At the 23-24 second mark roughly.

[twilit halo]

and how are this supposed to be translated?

[molten gust]

Seems to be a link to more garbled stuff. Fun.

[slate hollow]

Chatgpt just found that for me too

[tacit oyster]

i cannot get the qr code to give a link

[slate hollow]

Guess you could call it a nice little "Easter Egg"

[low cloak]

Links to this: https://cdn.runescape.com/assets/img/external/oldschool/2026/Newsposts/2026-XX-0X/1T2H3R4E5E6P7A8C9T0S1T2H3R4E5E6W7H8I9S0P1E2R3S.png

[smoky raft]

lmk when the hallucinating robot misdirects you

[long garden]

we love when bows attack one tick faster amirite

[winged trench]

Has anyone deciphered that stuff?

[molten gust]

It just came out. Give em a bit.

[low cloak]

You might need to tilt your phone at an angle, that's what I did

[slate hollow]

This is an Atbash cipher (each letter flipped A↔Z, B↔Y, etc.). Decoding it gives:

Main text:

Whenever your combat spells regenerate water runes, you're healed for one per rune regenerated.

Bottom line:

Bows attack one tick faster.

The top two lines decode as a name/title (likely the item or effect this description belongs to), but the key readable effect is the combat bonus described above.

[winged trench]

ChatGPT deciphered it but it was in all caps and the bot got mad at me for pasting it here

[long garden]

some people have gotten chatgpt to unscramble it to talka bout mastering one combat over multiple

[low cloak]

Paste it in a google doc, highlight it and then go format > text > capitalization > title case

[slate hollow]

I just posted above. Just scroll up

[low cloak]

Oh lol

"regenerate"

Not "use"

Interesting wording

[slate hollow]

Yea I don't understand. Must be regarding the relic??

One they haven't released?

Or just combat masteries

[molten gust]

Combat masteries.

They seem to be posting another relic today but their having issues so its delayed.

[fierce rain]

so is the whole thing:

attacks with bows when powered by runes
grants additional damage bonus
Whenever your combat spells regenerate water runes, you're healed for one per rune regenerated.
Bows attack one tick faster.

[molten gust]

This video seems to be taking over the reveals for the echo bosses.

[slate hollow]

They just updated the main article for April 5th but no new relic added yet

I don't see a link to a combat masteries either yet

[plucky gazelle]

They updated the blog post too

Melee range is doubled whilst using two handed weapons

[junior matrix]

Talykwwlankadmsitslshphs
Naxelacywhylkmreaawknm
Anyone know what that means?

[long garden]

sounds like you burn your mouth on some good pizza

[slate hollow]

This is an Atbash cipher (each letter flipped A↔Z, B↔Y, etc.). Decoding it gives:

Main text:

Whenever your combat spells regenerate water runes, you're healed for one per rune regenerated.

Bottom line:

Bows attack one tick faster.

The top two lines decode as a name/title (likely the item or effect this description belongs to), but the key readable effect is the combat bonus described above.

[tacit oyster]

this is on the leagues page now

[twilit halo]

i must be stupid, what combat spells regenerate runes?

[tacit oyster]

first demonic pacts (which replace combat masteries)

[slate hollow]

It's bound to be a combat mastery perk

[twilit halo]

oh okay

[low cloak]

I wonder how we're going to get combat masteries this time around

It seems like these are going to be a bunch of smaller perks

[winged trench]

Looks like I’m going range again this year

[molten gust]

So that means nox will have some silly range.

[fierce rain]

Range is gonna be strong 🙂

[molten gust]

These might not be all the same level.

[slate hollow]

I think it's going to be a tribrid league

[teal harness]

2 tiling boppers

[winged trench]

That would be interesting

[tacit oyster]

4 range on halberds still cannot reach most things but will be funny

[slate hollow]

That reaches Zulrah though right? Cause I noticed it doesn't have melee resist in the notes somewhere

[tacit oyster]

I think they forgot to make the relic reveal, power calls was supposed to be relic released today i think

[tacit oyster]

normal halberd already reaches zulrah

[fierce rain]

Dh bomb Zulrah.

[slate hollow]

True

[tacit oyster]

now all melee weapons reach it

[junior matrix]

Scythe zulrah lol

[white patio]

the melee range thing im not even sure is like

beneficial a lot of the time without seeing something more to stack with it

[fierce rain]

Nally Zuk

[white patio]

that actually would just make a lot of stuff we already do harder lol

since a lot of the more in depth melee stuff usually involves dragging yourself back in on purpose

and now you'd have to manually path and attack with something like that

[molten gust]

Oh this was atop the powers call message for the days updates.

hwaugfwyujciayyhioiwa

[tacit oyster]

that links to the image https://osrs.game/hwaugfwyujciayyhioiwa

so it was probably also a keyword for decypher

[molten gust]

Ah ok. Its just what the qr had basically.

But yeah overall. It seems like these combat masteries are all different levels. And I kinda doubt any of them are first level ones. Well maybe the melee one.

[tacit oyster]

there is also no info if we get all or if we have to select one

[slate hollow]

This is an Atbash cipher (each letter flipped A↔Z, B↔Y, etc.). Decoding it gives:

Main text:

Whenever your combat spells regenerate water runes, you're healed for one per rune regenerated.

Bottom line:

Bows attack one tick faster.

The top two lines decode as a name/title (likely the item or effect this description belongs to), but the key readable effect is the combat bonus described above.

[molten gust]

Most we can guess is they are different levels by the icon. Since it looks like a somewhat basic sword. Water runes are usually second in order from air. And the bow looks like venator bow which is a later game thing.

[molten gust]

There is better info for that now.

[molten gust]

This up here^

So looking at raging echo’s combat stuff. The icons for ranged and melee are reused from there. Melee is the one from t2. While ranged is the t5. Though no idea how it will be this leagues. Can get some idea via that.

[sour willow]

so if melee range is doubled whilst using two handed weapons, does that mean scythe gets a halbred range?

[errant pebble]

Sounds like it. Where is it useful?

[tacit oyster]

yes 2 tile scythe, no info yet if you have to select 1 style like combat masteries or if you get every style demonic pact

[steel dagger]

Do we know if crossbow will count as bows too and get tick reduction?

[errant pebble]

Wait, halberds now 4 tiles??

[toxic vortex]

Doom for sure

[toxic vortex]

It's an interesting question

[tacit oyster]

can zulrah with any melee weapon now

[sour willow]

you can use hallys at zulrah, before you couldn't

[molten gust]

It also means easy melee doom, corner trapping melee. Plenty of small case uses where it can be neat.

There is today’s relic. Its a t3 teleport one.

Seems to let you teleport to any agility shortcut.

[tacit oyster]

T3

[lean spear]

I was cooking here

[tacit oyster]

agility shortcut tele seems pretty weak, main use case would seem to be banking or runecrafting. Assuming there is no last recall or bankers note

[lean spear]

Yeah I’m not taking it lol

[tacit oyster]

maybe some specific region could use it but in general doesnt seem that powerful

[lean spear]

Evil eye feels like a slow burner but once you’re build is setup it’s pretty goated

[tacit oyster]

I think hueycoatl tele on evil eye is already bank tele though

[blissful fjord]

If theres no bankers note or last recall evil eye will be a powerful time saver

If there is its a usless waste of a relic slot

[fickle pine]

magic combat water runes, could be a useful heal effect in Inferno and Fight cave
Depending on what the heck it means

[molten gust]

Might be able to figure it out if we consider last leagues combat masteries. Like relics, they gave bonuses at each level plus the effects of the masteries themselves. Most likely it has something to conserve runes/arrows/charges as a secondary thing. And whenever that triggers for water runes is when the mastery they showed today would work.

[smoky raft]

I am now legally allowed to say "I told you so"

I've been saying "they're gonna change attack speed"

[tacit oyster]

atlatl getting screwed over, only bows get faster attacks

[smoky raft]

drygore blowpipe too lmao

[molten gust]

Hmm. It could be we are getting more options with it. Since its two handed melee and bows specifically.

[celest widget]

what if that means you get a buff for each of the combat style and you dont have to choose between going range/mage/melee?

[junior matrix]

No, everyone knew they would Change Attack speed

[toxic vortex]

Omg that teleport animation on alacrity is sick

[molten gust]

It looks like the speedrunning home teleport.

[spark jackal]

Wasn’t like the speed world reward

Yeah exactly what I thought

[molten gust]

The technically fastest home teleport animation. By like 1 tick XD

[blissful fjord]

Can anyone think of any actual useful things that alacrity could get you to?

Idk why they are adding stuff like "least favorable side of the shortcut"?? Why not just let us pick which side

[toxic vortex]

There are some bosses that have a shortcut near them

So you could potentially substitute alacrity instead of EE

[smoky raft]

There's a few shortcuts real close to the Nemus Retreat bank, though of course Evil Eye has Hueycoatl bank too

Most slayer areas have at least one agility shortcut

A lot of skilling areas, like runecraft altars, have shortcuts specifically to make their regular runs faster

[molten gust]

Yeah people are really selling that one short. Sure evil eye will be great for bossing. But the map has a lot of potential.

[smoky raft]

it also allows very quick access to fairy rings, for anyone who doesn't get the mushroom

[molten gust]

Atm planning for the farming one myself. But we haven’t seen the last in that tier so nothing locked in quite yet.

[lean spear]

Evil eye to Sire puts you at the fairy ring in the nexus

Unless you meant that and was already talking about EE lmao

[tacit oyster]

both of them have good uses, i would say evil eye more general uses for each region. map of clarity might have more skilling uses and certain mob locations easier depending on region

[low cloak]

I think I have an idea for what the prayer relic will look like this league

It'll probably revolve around bone shards, replacing bone drops with bone shards, filling the libation bowl with infinite sunfire wine and making it so you don't drain prayer when sacrificing shards

[errant pebble]

Sooo, no bankers notes this time around

[molten gust]

Oh you mean since the relic that looked like it was picked today. Didn’t even think of that. We could still get something like it, hopefully…

[tacit oyster]

i am just wondering what the final teleport relic in t3 could be since fairy's flight was combined with farming relic. I guess bank heist is still option

[sleek wraith]

Map relic by far worse one

[empty pagoda]

Yeah, I think the Map is a hard pass for me.

[atomic plinth]

Map relic is interesting, tbh Im a bit underwhelmed by both relics in that tier so Im looking forward to seeing what the third relic is

[empty pagoda]

Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with the Agility shortcuts to see the value of Map.

I still wanna see what competes with Reloaded in T7.

[sleek wraith]

Osrs fb page released first tier of combat relics

Mannn it’s making me think I wanna go melee but I think range will be it…

[vestal shuttle]

man it'd be so cool if there was a league reward that replaced the normal gathering animations with the ones from Barbarian Gathering lmao

[sleek wraith]

That would be awesome lol

[toxic vortex]

I'd be very shocked if they did 100% accuracy again

[jade yacht]

Map relic is a Runecraft solve upon picking (puts you right outside cosmic and nature altars) plus some cute stuff depending on your regions. It occupies a specific niche and I might pick it if my regions line up with it.

[sleek wraith]

if you choose kourend you have 99 rc solved.

[toxic vortex]

It does have some good use

Close teleport for slayer master

Several bosses

[sleek wraith]

i mean....isnt that what the slayer amulet tp thing does? boss teleports

[toxic vortex]

Evil eye?

[sleek wraith]

slayer master yeah sure. but so can the nature relic if you choose that one

yeh evil eye. i keep forgetting that name

[toxic vortex]

Yeah but this is in the same relic tier

[sleek wraith]

yeah i know im just saying. if yo uplan to go the nature one eventually then the map one is kind of redundant no?

[toxic vortex]

Maybe. Maybe not

[sleek wraith]

the map relic would be amazing at making bloods at true blood alter in mory

i gotta look at all the agility obstacle courses

it would be amazing in wildy

free tp to agility course entrance

[jade yacht]

Map cuts a lot of travel time out of that solve as well ☺️

Plus it makes actually getting to 77 bearable

[slate hollow]

only need 67 if abundance. js

[jade yacht]

I enjoy my afk time so I'm not taking abundance ty

[molten gust]

If the turtle relic was the t8 one. What would it do?

[low cloak]

Summon a 2x2 turtle that body-blocks enemies, allowing you to safespot them

[molten gust]

Maybe instead of body blocking. It makes enemies aggro it for a short time instead of you?

Wouldn’t work in multi hit stuff but could be neat.

[lucid jay]

How does kourend solve 99 rc? Just via blood/soul?

[sleek wraith]

that would make so many things afk. i would 100% get that turtle lol. could do basically any content safely.

[sleek wraith]

library you can train rc 1-99 in just a few hours. or just get to lvl for bloods and go there. same with magic. its a stupid ez way to get to 99 magic and rc at the start.

and withe the library book pluggin it makes it stupid stuipd ez to get xp there. like legit insane how fast it is.

[toxic vortex]

boring as fuck though

[molten gust]

When isn’t runecrafting boring?

[sleek wraith]

yeh its def boring but probably one of quickest ways to 99 both skills at beginning of league right away

[molten gust]

For base rc you go what? Sulfur essence and cosmic runes?

I think thats all that varlamore’s got.

[sleek wraith]

i wouldnt even bother rc until other areas unlocked.

i would just work with bare basic skills in first zone

[molten gust]

True.

[plain pasture]

another method not many have thought of is the gangs in shayzien

the xp in live game is bis for combat, so on leagues early on will be insanely good

some decent secondary drops to add to it, early cosmics, gold bars etc

[sleek wraith]

think most of everyone will be on jewel crab first few hours of league

[plain pasture]

for mages with burst/barrage gangs are insane xp

did it in live game on iron, was around 200k xp p/h when i was base 55's melee.

smoke barrage iirc

[sleek wraith]

what we thinking next reveal will be?

[copper gorge]

Tuesday looks like its going to be the last tier 3 and both tier 4 relics. I bet we get either some demonic pact info or more combat stuff today

[sleek wraith]

lets hope so. i wanna see more of the combat stuff to decide if im going range or melee. i dont get that first combat relic for mage

[blissful fiber]

It just hits me

If I don't take the elf region

And since mishtalin is on fire

Closest anvil to a bank is Shiloh village?

Or I'm mixing something up

[celest widget]

you could use doric's anvil after finishing doric's quest if you go asgarnia

[blissful fiber]

im planning to take kourend and desert

dunno what im taking for my last region, maybe the one next to mishtalin

with falador

oh wait yeah thats asgarnia

[celest widget]

on a serious note varlamore has a semi-close anvil to a bank in colloseum

[sleek wraith]

wanting to go melee but wanting prif

wanting prif and kourend def....

issue is prif isnt a good option for melee i think lol.

well i guess i dont need mory if we get mega rare vouchers

[tardy terrace]

Auburnvale has a decent one just southwest of the northern bank

[idle cipher]

Prif is really good for melee with the blessing that makes crystal armor work for melee no?

[tacit oyster]

its pretty good, you just dont melee much in priff. unless you do 5:1 for halberd in gauntlet or do noxious halberd or 2 handed weapon with the demonic pact that doubles range for zulrah

[timber quest]

That melee perk revealed yesterday would mean u could scy zulrah :p

[minor summit]

Scythe Zulrah sounds awesome actually lol

[timber quest]

It would make melee gauntlet kinda crazy too haha

The halberd you make would be 4 tile xD

[minor summit]

I forgot it doubles!

[timber quest]

Ye melee Tir sounds kinda crazy fun

[minor summit]

Damn, on top of the accuracy and damage boost from the Crystal armor, blessing, and combining it with Frem's bis helm, that would be crazy damage, no?

AND Zulrah as a slayer task

[timber quest]

I can't remember if the blessing boosted all melee or if it was just salad blade

[minor summit]

All melee, including unarmed

[timber quest]

Oh shiit yeh free slayer helm (I) boost yoo

Zulrah gonna fall over

That cerb dagger would be cracked to start with

Zulrah has a really high ele weakness

[minor summit]

But, in the teaser for Crystal Blessing it said this: "Be rewarded with something familiar... But, what new power might this item hold? 🔮"

Omg Dagger would work lol, it is 2 tiles

[tacit oyster]

the demonic pact only doubles attack range for 2handed melee weapons

[timber quest]

Ooo tru

[minor summit]

Shit that's right

[timber quest]

Ok no asg needed that's fine

[sleek wraith]

Claws

[minor summit]

Fucking claws!!

[sleek wraith]

Boppers too

[minor summit]

Echo Boppers

[timber quest]

Oo echo moxi reward

Yee

[sleek wraith]

Yeah I think I’ll go melee this time around

[minor summit]

And regular moxi is a pushover, I cannot imagine Echo will be terrible

[sleek wraith]

Shit I thought echo dag kings would be a pushover

Shot steamrolled me a few times

[minor summit]

I never fought them in L5. I went range and did V,T, D for some reason

D was a waste. DBP was cool, but useless for T6 Range

[blissful fiber]

as their ever been a league where going full melee was fine?

cause melee cant do everything right?

[sleek wraith]

It’s always been overshadowed by range sometimes mage

Hopefully they make it so more people will choose melee this time around

[toxic vortex]

The problem last year was the 100% accuracy at t6 range mastery

[latent magnet]

There is a strat where you lure rex while tanking prime.

[sleek wraith]

Yeah cause of that I doubt range will have that this year

[latent magnet]

It's basically the same safe spot for rex but you're dodging the poison tiles when they start landing

[sleek wraith]

Interesting

[tacit oyster]

melee has always been fine, never op since basically all region combinations required to use something else for some tasks

[latent magnet]

Only caveat is near the end where it starts ragging the right side tiles, if you run out you need to start kiting them

Other than that it's pretty easy if you just safe spot rex, no need for flicking

[tacit oyster]

i just wish they removed 100% accuracy from ranged and give demonic pacts to every style

[sleek wraith]

That was the issue. Range out performed mage and waaaaasy out performed melee last league that it wasn’t worth picking anything other than range or mage.

[tacit oyster]

ranged outperformed everything since you could everything with just ranged. Mage was still terrible in some content in every region just like melee

[toxic vortex]

Curious if we will get more masteries today

[sterile lake]

if ur reading this jmod give us a good spoiler today switch stuff around if u gotta im having a bad morning 😠

[old tapir]

if all the attack speed increase we're getting is 1 tick, desert is looking so much better

1 tick blowpipe going crazy compared to a 4 tick tbow

i have been thinking about what i would do if banker's note is the other t7, and i think the path then is probably barb, forager, larcenist instead of harvest, hotfoot, whatever t5, reload into forager

need money somehow

[molten gust]

Remember that says bows fire one tick faster. Not blowpipes/range.

[copper gorge]

Yeah but faster kbd cbow with barrage effects?

Thats crazy

[old tapir]

there's probably more than 6 masteries for each style also with how weak these look

i really can't imagine them bringing down the combat power of leagues, that's the most fun part of it

if it gets too close to main, literally just play main, y'know?

the whole mode would lose one of its main gimmicks

[tacit oyster]

they might do slight overall nerf by removing the most broken parts, like total recall khopesh, 100% accuracy ranged and last stand. last stand already got completely changed

[old tapir]

yeah that makes sense

[copper gorge]

They also want to get you doing content. This is going to be around demonic pacts which we havent even seen yet.

[molten gust]

Yeah its less then 10 days and we still don’t got any clue what the ‘pacts’ means or is.

I get building hype but we need something already!

[old tapir]

the only content i didn't do last league within my regions was nightmare, just not a boss i ever wanna do, specially with those drop rates

they're so bad even leagues can't fix them lmao

oh and aerial fishing, as i mentioned a few days ago

but i probably will do that this time

but more generally speaking, if they want people to have to do more content, less points per region is probably good

or less global tasks

[molten gust]

In before the afk relic makes aerial fishing automatic.

Welp guess we got something XD

So its what I guess for the regaining runes/arrows/charges.

[low cloak]

I wonder how this interacts with equipment that gives you infinite runes?

[copper gorge]

Such as?

[tacit oyster]

tomes or elemental staves

[copper gorge]

Im guessing there might be a roll of some sort and would just give you that rune.

So like if youre on water blast it would regenerate an air or a water back even if you had tome and air staff?

[low cloak]

Sounds plausable

[old tapir]

i dunno what's so pact-y about this

just seems like a combat passive

i think in my head i was expecting you having to take on big negatives to get big positives

[tacit oyster]

thye havent given the full demonic pact system yet, so hard to know how it works

[old tapir]

sell your soul to yama, but at what cost

that's true, but that just makes giving this one out of context really weird

[smoky raft]

ok so it feels to me like pacts are going to be far less linear than the combat mastery system

[lone bloom]

what T1 should i pick?

i work 9-5 and cant play at work. i only have a few hrs a night to play. i like afk but im willing to play actively to progress faster

I like endless harvest but Abundance will save so much time grinding thru the tiers

[smoky raft]

I'm currently picturing like a skill tree type situation

[old tapir]

can't give you an answer to that until we know the other t7, because whether you reload or not has major influence on your t1 and t2 pick

[smoky raft]

Abundance and Barb Gathering will both help speed up early progress, but imo Endless Harvest will be better for later progress.

Keep in mind you're far more likely to burn out than run out of time!

[old tapir]

but if you really can't play all that much, and by that i mean not access the game at all, abundance+hotfoot is probably great

but i hear from alot of people that most workplaces don't really mind if you have runescape running in the background or on your phone

if that's something you're able to do, probably harvest

[lone bloom]

my job involves a lot of driving and going to places to do stuff, so cant access game at all while at work lol

abundance/hotfoot does sound really good to me too, but as you said, i need to know what the other t7 relic is

also t4 is missing 2 relics still, 1 should be revealed today hopefully

oh the first "Pact" has just been revealed

[low cloak]

Also, when using sacks for spells, will it regenerate the sack or the runes to cast the spell?

[toxic vortex]

nox hally stonks to the moon

[blissful fiber]

So wait

Melee finally viable?

Actually where do you get 2 range weapons?

Crap, all the halberds are in regions I'm not taking...

Unless I get dragon halberd from caskets

[twilit halo]

so, Im just checking, tho they gave us this today, are we still getting a relic today or no?

[toxic vortex]

you still need T in order to wield one

[toxic vortex]

we have been getting 2 reveals each day for a little bit now. but we don't know what is in each reveal

so, maybe. but also maybe not

[twilit halo]

yeah, yesterdays i didnt know about the relic until later in the day, so im hoping we still get one today

[tacit oyster]

there will be 2nd reveal later today, so probably will be relic

[blissful fiber]

oh you gotta be kidding me...

[toxic vortex]

Afraid not

its tied to regicide

[blissful fiber]

bro i dont want my last region to be elves on account of the fact i have no clue whats the content here

im planning to take kourend and desert

third i was thinking where falador is

[toxic vortex]

that would be asgarnia

[tacit oyster]

kourend and asgarnia is a lot grinding for tasks unless they make asgarnia tasks easier

[copper gorge]

Asg and frem tasks were not easy to get to early. Very grindy last leagues. Alot of gwd based tasks and whisperer for asg.

[sterile lake]

with endless harvest u get 25 min of afk. can u not just throw mobile on the phone click a rock and leave it there til u park?

seems like the move to me

[copper gorge]

Cant wait for this for leagues

[errant pebble]

30 min now

[lone bloom]

no cuz my old ass iphone wont last long enough to make that viable lol

[copper gorge]

Turn fps down

Saves a fuckton of battery

[sterile lake]

if u can leave ur pc on at home u can get a remote desktop app and use ur phone to click on ur pc

[limber knot]

if you plan to do a lot of afk then yes

[slate hollow]

Ew extra steps

[lone bloom]

i wont be afking at home, ill be playing actively

[limber knot]

imo for active players I think tier 1 is barb

[toxic vortex]

people have been flagged for macro in the past for doing this

just fyi

[sterile lake]

yea the idea is u take endless harvest and in between drives get an extra 30 minutes of afk training by clicking a couple buttons on ur phone, but if ur not a nerd loser who wants to worry about that shit go abundance

[slate hollow]

Endless is for people with jobs and people that take 20min shits.

[old tapir]

depends on banker's note

if there's no note i'm taking harvest

if there is i'm taking barb

[sterile lake]

im taking barb reloading endless harvest

[limber knot]

can u explain why for my pea brain pl0x

[sterile lake]

https://giphy.com/gifs/gigachad-smart-chad-giga-LNMAa5P9JFBoMVHSUk

[lone bloom]

abundance will let me rush to t8 and solve my coins

[sterile lake]

abundance is best for people with minimal time to play cuz u get to the fun part quicker imo

if u want dragon though endless harvest is the move unless ur a sweat then its barb

[old tapir]

because if there's note at tier 7, i can't reload into forager, meaning i have to take forager and lose out on hotfoot
no hotfoot means an agility backup might be good

[lone bloom]

is dragon a set score? or is it relative to other players? i.e. top 5%?

[toxic vortex]

its a set amount of points

[sterile lake]

it used to be top 5% but as of last league they made it set points

[toxic vortex]

each tier is

[sterile lake]

if they continue the trend of last league itll be set again

[toxic vortex]

No reason to assume they wont

[sterile lake]

this league im going for 100% task completion

[lone bloom]

i never competed for ranks in leagues 1-4 cuz the top 5% were sweats playing 20 hrs a day

[old tapir]

and note also means the auto banking of harvest becomes a bit meh, like you can afk sure, but the other big benefit is just being able to sit at your preffered gather spot forever

[toxic vortex]

it was set points in tbl2 as well

[old tapir]

and i don't mind clicking the note whenever inventory fills

[lone bloom]

i wished gridmaster was longer so leagues 6 is good

[worthy pivot]

Has jagex explained the wording of today's reveal?

[lone bloom]

i dont think we'll be getting bankers note

[toxic vortex]

what exactly are you looking for

[sterile lake]

i hope no bankers note, no double tickspeed on all combat styles, no infinite shark

[worthy pivot]

Does it mean ammo has a chance of being duplicated?

[sterile lake]

infinite food invalidates too many mechanics in the game makes stuff less enjoyable and double tickspeed makes megarares which are super easy to get eclipse all other items

id like to see echo items bis over megas and harder to get tbh

[slate hollow]

The goal is leagues is fun. We aren't trying to make it miserable.

[sterile lake]

using the same items and doing the same content but easier isnt fun imo

[worthy pivot]

For example. I cast high alch with a nature and fire runes for a single cast. Assuming "regenerate" procs I will have double the amount of nature and fire runes as I started with?

[worthy pivot]

leagues is jagex way of letting players test out end-game content without costing them anything maingame

[sterile lake]

nah echo items made it so that we get to play with shit that is too op for maingame which is fun

spear on last league was some of the most fun ive had

[toxic vortex]

I suppose that is unclear. To me it reads that you use your runes, regenerate procs, and you get your original set of runes back

[worthy pivot]

its worded so weirdly lol

[sterile lake]

im expecting this is worded in this way because it will end up stacking with a save relic

and youll profit charges/arrows

[toxic vortex]

something tells me it won't give you the original + extra back

[sterile lake]

but even as is if u regenerate 15% and save 90% from avas ull be profiting arrows

[worthy pivot]

Depending on the %chance, this might be a way to increase ammo/rune stacks

[sterile lake]

i think this is a way to solve money by giving u infinite darrows tbh

they said quiver will start with avas effect

iirc

[worthy pivot]

the line "chance to generate an additional resource spent" reads like a duplication rather than a depletion occurs. Would be nice for jagex to clarify

[sterile lake]

^ i dont think they need to clarify though i think this is the only logical interpretation

[worthy pivot]

Based on the disc chat alone folks have different takeways

[slate hollow]

That's the goal

They want people to think they have their plan locked until they release the other t7 on the 14th and it makes you redo your whole plan. All while keeping you confused on diluted information.

[old tapir]

have multiple plans

[slate hollow]

Can't plan for the unknown.

[old tapir]

if the t7 is note or another must-take

if it isn't

[slate hollow]

Damn.

[old tapir]

happy planning

[vast epoch]

Then the sad people go back to their 1500 total lvl accounts and never log in again

[worthy pivot]

why isn't regenerate on the progression tree?

[slate hollow]

Just say Sit next time. Jeez @old tapir

[old tapir]

excuse me, i'm 1600 total

[sterile lake]

i dont think theres any way note competes with reloaded, i dont think note makes it this time

[tacit oyster]

regenerate and the 3 others from yesterday are demonic pacts not relics

[slate hollow]

It's the burn out of leagues. Everyone gets it. They go play something else for a month or two then comeback to no life their grinds they've been dry on.

[worthy pivot]

ohh, just noticed that at the top? That mean these are unlocked as passives or by completing certain challenges?

[tacit oyster]

no info on how demonic pacts are unlocked/work. all we know is that it replaced old combat mastery system

[old tapir]

no?

is that said somewhere?

[vast epoch]

The point being that people see the endgame and get sad their main account ain’t like that

[worthy pivot]

get gud

[vast epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1105118813353168947/1481794026138243203/dog.gif

[vast epoch]

Jagex doesn’t care about them getting gud just the money they spend on membership

[slate hollow]

Why flask? Any particular reason?

[copper gorge]

Cuz its awesome

[worthy pivot]

both can be right lmao

[old tapir]

because im bad

[vast epoch]

If that was the case they’d add harder main game bosses

[old tapir]

but i could also see me not going flask if note is there

just have infinite anglers and restores instead

[slate hollow]

Note would be the other t7 imo. T8 is probably combat oriented.

[old tapir]

yeah that's what i meant

[slate hollow]

Oh heard.

[old tapir]

i would pick another t8 if note is the t7

[slate hollow]

Sound. My feelings too.

[vast epoch]

Facts

Tomorrow they said they dropping heat

So we’ll see

[copper gorge]

Honestly the daily releases are cool but we are almost a week away, we should get some time to plan it all out.

[sterile lake]

i hope task list drops in advance instead of same day

[slate hollow]

The content production material and hype build up seems to have been mastered by Jagex media team.

[copper gorge]

It wont

[old tapir]

we usually get easy and medium globals and strter region tasks

varlamore in this case

[copper gorge]

I think last t3 and the other t4s are dropping tomorrow

[slate hollow]

Honestly the no Misthalin is the greatest shakeup.

[old tapir]

its eh, there isn't that much misthalin content

[slate hollow]

Agreed but the zone was like the crutch to alot of grinds.

People have become too dependent on it

[old tapir]

not like rs3 where 90% of endgame gear is in misthalin

probably why they couldn't do regions

misthalin would have been a must pick for everybody

[slate hollow]

I wouldn't know, I refuse to touch rs3

Ever since EoC I just wrote off my account lol

[old tapir]

its great

even greater after the recent combat changes

[slate hollow]

If I get burnt out on this league maybe I'll convince myself to look into it.

[old tapir]

but yeah you look at rs3 misthalin and its like
bis necro weapon and armor
bis melee weapon and armor
bis ranged weapon
bis magic weapon

kinda defeats the point of regions

[tardy terrace]

Do the boots from hot foot count as a warm item at Wintertodt?

[old tapir]

we dont know

[tardy terrace]

Hopefully

[vast epoch]

Yeah I love the no misthalin

No sire 👍

And no dumb diaries or silly one off tasks

[tacit oyster]

abyss is still available so can access sire

depends if they move it to general tasks

[inner zenith]

are pacts just combat masteries 2.0?

[tacit oyster]

yes, new system that replaces combat masteries

[inner zenith]

gotchya, intresting to see how they work

[old tapir]

still don't know if its a replacement

could just be additional

haven't seen a source say its a replacement

[copper gorge]

It doesnt say replaced in the posting.

[old tapir]

if it was a replacement, why would the 3 things from yesterday not have been called pacts

is my thinking

[tacit oyster]

those 3 are under demonic pacts on league page

[old tapir]

sure, but they didn't get the fanfare like regenerate did today

calling it the first

when it wouldn't be if the other three were pacts

that says to me they aren't

but it seems like the masteries we are getting are like, supportive perks of the pacts

would be funny if they go ultra hard with it and it ends up looking like the poe skill tree

pick main nodes and supporting nodes

[tacit oyster]

https://x.com/OldSchoolRS/status/2041199552921792694

Old School RuneScape (@OldSchoolRS)

A full breakdown of Echo Bosses and the new item stats drops on April 10th, featuring @ScriticRS. 🗡️
Starting tomorrow, we’re unveiling three relics and you will begin to unravel the mysteries behind the Demonic Pacts system. Prepare yourselves, this will change everything.

X · Apr 6, 2026, 5:01 PM

wait which echo gives that top left staff? i thought there have only been 9 echo items revealed

[toxic vortex]

GGs

[full lodge]

There are 10 because thermy gives 2 items

[vagrant delta]

Echo Thermy drops Devil's element + magic weapon

[tacit oyster]

thermy is the trident, the top left hasnt been announced yet. i guess could be 2nd announcement today with morytania echo boss

[vagrant delta]

Yes, but (unnamed magic weapon)

[toxic vortex]

It's from GGs

[vast epoch]

Yeah all garbage to a mega weapon

[tacit oyster]

oh i didnt notice gg has even revealed since they did not mention it on the title for april 2nd

[vagrant delta]

sure about that?

[vast epoch]

Pretty sure

The mega gonna be 2t

So uhh

[tacit oyster]

so i guess that post about tomorrow and 10th being video about echoo items was the 2nd reveal for today

[tawdry junco]

Wild stinker of a 2nd reveal today lmao

Hey guys here's a teaser about a future teaser hope you enjoy

They started the teasing way too early
Just a week of slow filler teases and minor tweaks

[toxic vortex]

Don't know know that for sure

[vast epoch]

I doubt that they’d have a league without it

But again we’ll see

[mental pumice]

Get stickbugged april 6th - thematic with the reveal

[toxic vortex]

@slender rock we don't really know how that system will work yet. It's possible she could just not do it.

But we don't know

[tawdry junco]

A reveal that was already hinted at yesterday and a reveal that is there's more reveals tomorrow

[toxic vortex]

Especially because we've already seen most of the weapons already

[slender rock]

Just not doing it is always an option but it may severely limit combat power

[toxic vortex]

It will

[copper gorge]

You are going to have to do pacts of some sort.

Can we just skip to next week and play the game after release is delayed by 4 hours?

[tacit oyster]

league will be playable on 22nd

[cunning compass]

i was yearning for a relic reveal so bad. im left wanting

[copper gorge]

I cant wait to atleast know what the other tier three and 4s are.

Give me the first 4 and then i can kind of plan from there.

[kind viper]

What a stinker of a reveal today huh

Just because they want to reveal 3 relics at a time tmr and the day after doesn't mean they should just throw in a contract with absolutely no context and bad wording

[copper gorge]

Could be worse i guess. They could have revealed map of alacrity today as the lone update.

With yama in the photo today, i wonder if the combat masteries are going to be based on yama pacts.

[plain pasture]

im ngl, im getting a bit worried about this combat system being a flop.
if it isnt gonna be 2t attacks, then the damage is gonna have to scale up pretty heavily.
anythign less in terms of dps than last league and its gonna be very underwhelming

for 5t weps hitting at 5t instead of 2, the maxhits on them is gonna need to be 2.5x that of live game for similar dps.
and even then it wont 'feel' as good due to the speed not being faster

and lets hope that the way to obtain these pacts isnt ridiculous, or based on bosses that no1 enjoys such as yama/doom.
really hoping they make it realistic and a fun mode this time around aswell.
because if it just turns into a massive grind its gonna die out very fast. a large percentage of people who play leagues only come for the gamemode and otherwise have long since stopped playing osrs as a whole

not to mention, we dont just want mage shadow being the meta.
all 3 styles ideally should be equal is dps and usability

[twilit halo]

I get what your saying. I play main faily casually, and dont really do bossing. I only do the bossing in leagues and last year durring gridmaster. I was stuck into range because of how fast the dps was. Id def perfer if all 3 were a little more equal, just so it wouldnt really matter which style is used

[plain pasture]

theres always gonna be one combo that is bis, for obvious reasons

[twilit halo]

of course

[plain pasture]

but there needs to be where it comparable

[twilit halo]

but asside from the kopesh in grids, i havent used any mele i think in leagues 5

[plain pasture]

looking at it rn without knowing stats of these echo items, id say its looking good

but thats assuming you dont have to do annoying, horrid content like yama for ur combat pacts

[twilit halo]

man, i boss so little, i didnt get any echo wepons or ech boss fights in L5

oh, no i did 1 echo hespori

[plain pasture]

if the demonic pacts are based around long, inconsistent grinds or bosses with annoying mechanics. i can guarantee many wont even bond the account up to play.
myself included.

[twilit halo]

but i will say, i gave araxor a chace durring grids, and i ended up spending hours there, too much fun

[plain pasture]

i know how to do most bosses, but i wouldnt want to be doing horrible grinds like yama just to then unlock the pacts to do the combat i wanted to do

[twilit halo]

i did my first ever TOB also in grids, was not fun lol, but i got the mega on my second/last

i havent tried yama, so i dont even know what the fights gonna be like

but with all the boosts, is it really a grind?

[plain pasture]

its an awful boss to kill, even with relics and maxgear

too many mechanics and hp

feels like ur completing a raid solo for garbage loot

[twilit halo]

oh that doesnt sound fun at all

[limber knot]

Am I right in thinking no thieving till karamja men?

[twilit halo]

yama doesnt have much good loot? or is it just too infrequent?

[plain pasture]

i went 55ish in gridmaster for the unlock, and even with 255 perm stats and maxgear it was horrific to kill

[plain pasture]

men in varla, knights in varla

also stalls

[limber knot]

Oh easy sick

[plain pasture]

it has 2 main drops, oathplate and soulhorn. both pointless

[tacit oyster]

around 2-3min solo kills in late game gear in leagues, probably 1-2min kills in duo. but for yama you need to know mechanics or you die even in league/gridmaster

[plain pasture]

oathplate is no extra str bonus, just slash version of bandos basically

so its basically a cosmetic garbage drop

[twilit halo]

ill probably give him a try near end game, but i cant imagine trying many

[plain pasture]

yama is jagex's way of adding content to extend ur gaming, but provide no actual boost.

[twilit halo]

lol

[plain pasture]

kinda like quests

[copper gorge]

I would rather it being built around yama than something that takes half an hour + and you can still die like fight caves/inferno

[plain pasture]

yama is probably one of worst bosses to grind

its far easier to die than fight caves, and arguable inferno

[tacit oyster]

saying oathplate is useless is kinda something only people who hate yama mechanics would say

[twilit halo]

my main is almost lvl 107, and ive realisticly done so little content, Most everything most people talk about goes right over my head.

[plain pasture]

in leagues slash bonus is pointless brother, you want str bonuses

[copper gorge]

Yeah but does yama take 35 minutes with upgraded combat masteries?

[plain pasture]

even in main game, the grind isnt worth the bonus

[plain pasture]

if its a rng based drop it could be 10x that

[copper gorge]

To which if you get 1 pray flick wrong youre cooked?

[plain pasture]

and yeh yama has many 1 hit mechanics on contracts

more than inferno by a long shot

[sour willow]

i did 80 yama solo kc in gridmast for full oathplate. wasn't a bad grind

[copper gorge]

Inferno could still take hours on leagues.

[plain pasture]

i did 55 and it was awful, even with max gear and 255 stats

just dragged on and on

[tacit oyster]

you doing radiant oathplate contracts in league?

[plain pasture]

the pacts if based on yama would most probably be challenges for yama, rather than basic kc

so contract style challenges id imagine

[toxic vortex]

I mean yama doesn't take 35 minutes in main game

[tacit oyster]

solo mage yama in main game* is 5-7min depending on gear if you dont make multiple mistakes

[plain pasture]

yama is like 2-3 min kills avg
with a hell of a lot of mechanics

problem is that its a high hp boss, with annoying mechanics u cant just chill and enjoy

going 20 dry there is like going 500 dry at bandos

[tacit oyster]

sadly league will have 9 echo bosses with mechanics that you cannot just chill and enjoy

[plain pasture]

feels horrible xd

[copper gorge]

Bro wants yama to be zulrah where you can kill it in 7 seconds.

[toxic vortex]

what is your threshold for "hell of a lot of mechanics"

[plain pasture]

in leagues? if i cant click and watch a movie

[toxic vortex]

In general

its the same fight in main game vs leagues, mechanics wise

[plain pasture]

with leagues relics/combat its supposed to be able to skip majority mechanics

[copper gorge]

Havent done yama, he came out after i started my ironman.

[plain pasture]

i did it forst time in grid

and it was horrid

even with the insanely op gear and effects

[toxic vortex]

Maybe you just need to learn the fight better

[plain pasture]

i know the fight.

but too many mechanics on a boss is horrible

[copper gorge]

Kind of excited to do varl beyond just moons.

[plain pasture]

this isnt league of losers or world of gaycraft

its a click and attack game, too many mechanics ruins the feel

[tacit oyster]

i dont think there is a single region where you can skip all mechanics on bosses with relics even in previous leagues

[toxic vortex]

so what do you do in main game

[plain pasture]

i dont play main game, since jagex went woke i refuse to partake in the insanity

[copper gorge]

Kopesh was pretty op in raging echos

[toxic vortex]

Isn't you playing league still partaking in the insanity?

[plain pasture]

nope

[toxic vortex]

How not

[plain pasture]

leagues is seperate gamemode

[toxic vortex]

its still all the same content

[plain pasture]

nope

[toxic vortex]

made by the same company

[copper gorge]

Same wokeness

[plain pasture]

completely seperate game mode

[toxic vortex]

made by the same company

[copper gorge]

Temporary

[plain pasture]

play it then leave

not be forced to stomach all the insanity theyve introduced

[toxic vortex]

then idk why you are bitching so much about mechanics

Its how the game works

[plain pasture]

because the point is to have fun, nto be forced to do annoying mechanics everywhere

[tacit oyster]

because he has to deal with them in leagues if he wants to do all content

[plain pasture]

most bosses u can skip mechanics with previous combat system in leagues

even some of the echoes

[toxic vortex]

Okay, but what mechanics does yama have? Step on blue glyph, step on orange glyph. Kill spawns

[plain pasture]

the point im making is if we are forced to do somethign like yama to even unlock these combat effects its gonna be doomed from the start

[tacit oyster]

cannot skip raids if you want mega rares and tasks, cannot skip echo bosses if you want new weapons and tasks, cannot skip bosses if you want gear upgrades and tasks

[toxic vortex]

pray flick

these are all pretty normal things

[plain pasture]

but you can skip most of the mechanics

[toxic vortex]

Idk, pretty sure you still need to fight bloat the same way

[tacit oyster]

you can face tank few bosses once you grind points for all unlocks yes, most bosses still take effort

[toxic vortex]

Nylos still need to be handled the regular way

[plain pasture]

you could facetank most bosses, and chill kill them in previous leagues

[toxic vortex]

And what exactly did jagex do to be deemed as woke anyway

[tacit oyster]

bosses with mechanics

[plain pasture]

if u dont know ur part of the problem

[toxic vortex]

I am asking to be enlightened

[plain pasture]

this

[toxic vortex]

So you're just one of those who talks because they can

cool

Go complain somewhere else

[plain pasture]

i dont discuss things in a chat where youd get banned from it for discussing

'offensive'

any company that doesnt encourage free speech entirely needs dissolving and every employee firing.

[empty pagoda]

You have free speech, but you are not free from consequences.

[plain pasture]

speech isnt free if it has consequences

[toxic vortex]

We are also talking about a game company and not a fucking government

Get over yourself

[plain pasture]

and any company that doesnt encourage free speech is part of the problem

[copper gorge]

Company doesnt adhere to employees, its the other way around

[empty pagoda]

Indeed. This channel is for discussing the League. Your freedom of speech or lack there of has no bearing on it.

[plain pasture]

then people shouldnt ask what the issues are, and you wouldnt get an answer

[copper gorge]

Oh man easiest ignore of my life there 🤣

[toxic vortex]

Shouldn't expect a different opinion for someone who just wants to click and afk all bosses

[plain pasture]

free speech isnt an opinion, its a basic human right.

[empty pagoda]

And what bearing does free speech have on this League? Is Jagex punishing you for your speech in some capacity?

Are they attempting to stop anyone from discussing the League here?

[plain pasture]

he asked what do they do wrong, i answered.

if u dont like the answer, dont ask the question

[toxic vortex]

you didn't really answer it

[plain pasture]

can tell you are woke af just how u talk

[copper gorge]

Anyways, leagues.... I am always so bad at planning long term. What area unlock are you guys going first?

[toxic vortex]

Brother you know nothing about me

[empty pagoda]

That is a good question.

[plain pasture]

can tell from how you act/talk in here.

[abstract fox]

Woke has been used so much for literally anything someone dislikes, lmao

[toxic vortex]

Then tell me what you know about me

I'd like to know

[plain pasture]

woke = lowest form of human life

[abstract fox]

You probably don't even have proper definition

[plain pasture]

several people are...triggered....

[empty pagoda]

I got called woke once in another game for calling someones toxic behavior out.

[abstract fox]

I think you are hilarious

[plain pasture]

'toxic' is another term used for things you dont have the stomach for tbh

[tacit oyster]

Well both discord and osrs have rules for what is allowed said in chat, So there will be consequences for breaking the rules. It is pretty much same everywhere, almost every single platform online and even public places irl

[toxic vortex]

I still want to know what specifically jagex has done to be deemed woke

Feel free to DM me if you are afraid of the consequences here

[abstract fox]

Probably something pronouns, lmao

[plain pasture]

it is obvoous. if u cant see it then your part of the problem

[abstract fox]

Something ridiculous like that

[empty pagoda]

Yeah, but I imagine most forms of discussion about the League would not be in violation of the rules.

[toxic vortex]

Then why don't you DM me

I am asking you to enlighten me, so please do

[plain pasture]

because i wouldnt associate with your kind

[toxic vortex]

What kind is that?

I'm married with 3 kids and own guns

[plain pasture]

this kind.

[empty pagoda]

Wokekind, clearly.

[plain pasture]

anyways back to leagues

[abstract fox]

You are saying you cannot stomach them? That's okay

[empty pagoda]

But yeah, I do know I will be unlocking Morytania at some point in the League, but other picks...hmm.

[plain pasture]

i dont associate with those that dont deserve to share my oxygen

[abstract fox]

Too easy. Anyway, back to leagues

[dense forge]

Honestly the first league I don't know my areas at all lol

[toxic vortex]

Idk how you share oxygen through discord

Is that a nitro feature?

[abstract fox]

Hahahaa

I love you all

[empty pagoda]

Hypothetically, over thousands of years as air travels the world he might breathe in something you breathed in.

It's tragic, really.

[toxic vortex]

The thousands of years part sort of negates that though

[dense forge]

Would like to see what they did with crystal blessing and the hespori bow bc they sound good

[abstract fox]

We are all stardust

[empty pagoda]

I still wanna know what the other T7 Relic is.

Reloaded is looking extremely promising this League.

[toxic vortex]

Yeah theres no real reason to try and lock down regions right now until we know more

[abstract fox]

It's gonna be my first league so Imma just do anything that looks fun

[toxic vortex]

Very valid

[empty pagoda]

This will be my third League. I did the last one and RS3's first League.

[plain pasture]

traitor

[empty pagoda]

I also did Gridmaster, which...I dunno, do we count that as a League of sorts?

[toxic vortex]

We don't

[abstract fox]

It would be a shame to miss out on points. So I will look at that

[dense forge]

League -ish lol

[plain pasture]

gridmaster was fun. but was like temu league

[toxic vortex]

League adjacent

[blissful fjord]

If it wasnt a league what was it

[empty pagoda]

I can't believe I'm a traitor for playing RS3. How will I ever live this down.

[toxic vortex]

A limited time game mode that had league features

But not a league

[plain pasture]

only rs3 you should ever play with is the audi

[empty pagoda]

I don't understand what audi means in this context.

[blissful fjord]

Until they name it something that makes sense then league it is even if it has to have a prefix like mini

[toxic vortex]

Show him a picture of Yama he'll probably run away frightened

[toxic vortex]

League refers to something specific though

Grid is not league, just like league is not grid

[plain pasture]

rs3 is like a runner up prize for addicts who didnt leave when eoc hit.

[blissful fjord]

What from gridmaster doesnt fit the description?

[toxic vortex]

Well, its not region locked

[plain pasture]

im concerned atm about the hyvrid items being removed

hybrid*

[toxic vortex]

League lasts longer than grid

[plain pasture]

hoping this battlehat has some hefty combined stats

[toxic vortex]

The whole grid aspect

[plain pasture]

or frem is gonna be a bust

[blissful fjord]

So what about shattered relics?

That wasnt a league?

[wicked scroll]

Nope

[toxic vortex]

Most people dont consider it

[plain pasture]

shattered relics was one of best leagues imo

[toxic vortex]

You are in a minority on that

[plain pasture]

allowed for complete content, interchangeable as u liked

[empty pagoda]

Eh, EoC problems aside I think RS3 still has its merits.

[plain pasture]

rather than set and regrets

[toxic vortex]

oh boy

now you've done it

[plain pasture]

as a pker, runescape was ruined moment eoc hit.

[empty pagoda]

It's not even a matter of addiction since I'll play for 1-2 months then stop for 6-8.

[toxic vortex]

But you aren't a pker

because you dont play

[plain pasture]

only come back to gagex during seasonals

[smoky raft]

yeah that checks out

you seem the type

[empty pagoda]

Since I don't do PVP, I guess I was less affected.

[limber knot]

It’s ‘jamflex’ tyvm

[blissful fjord]

Good, nothing lost there

[copper gorge]

Hey man, we can all have a basic idea of what we wanna do right?

[toxic vortex]

Basic idea sure. But theres still not enough known about pacts or the rest of the relics

Like, I think I'll end up taking mory, maybe zeah and asg

But dont worry too much about it

[empty pagoda]

Mory will probably be a popular choice.

As for relics...T1 is gonna be Endless for me. Love my infinite mining.

Barbarian was a close second while thinking about it though.

[copper gorge]

Endless for me as well lotta afk needed for me.

[smoky raft]

Endless feels like it scales better tbh

[toxic vortex]

but BG gets cool points

[kind viper]

But they haven't revealed anything for combat besides 3 things? The current relics are all about skilling/teleporting and they are either gonna use combat masteries again or link it to the contracts (in which case I hope it gives downsides for the masteries where you have to balance how many you want)

[copper gorge]

And i know theres nothing to really distinguish yet but ive kinda gone same areas b2b so im just trying to figure out what a nice first area unlock is.

[empty pagoda]

Oh for sure, it's pretty solid looking.

If it didn't have to compete with Endless, then Barbarian would probably be an absolute winner.

[smoky raft]

since in most gathering skills you'll actually get better xp by doing lower level nodes faster (see: power mining iron, teaks, etc)

but the 50% reroll from barbarian is definitely strong

[empty pagoda]

No need for tools is strong as well.

[smoky raft]

(Even if I stand by my thought that the "no tools" part is kinda worthless)

[dense forge]

The 50% from barb is what makes it good imo

[empty pagoda]

Inventory management is a tricky thing in RS sometimes.

[copper gorge]

Crystal level no tool necessary is strong