leagues-general

[smoky raft]

worth noting that there are only 23 relics, but 40 items on the table

we don't know for sure if the other 17 will be used or how

[errant pebble]

Yeah

@smoky raft btw since you said hotfoot teleports you to the begining of the lap, gp per hour should be much more then 1.2m

[fickle pine]

i believe that the icons are from previous leagues as well. for instance, the harp, pick, axe icon was infernal gathering from trailblazer.

[grim lark]

Wait does hotfoot actually send you to the end of the lap? is that confirmed?

[smoky raft]

icons have been reused

[errant pebble]

In the video it tele to the BEGINING wich is even better

According to sheep*

😅

[smoky raft]

for example

even between L4 and L5

hang on, I have embed priviliges

https://twitter.com/i/status/2038994756374573232

Old School RuneScape (@OldSchoolRS)

Choose Hotfoot and move swiftly, mortal.
Gain efficiency and experience… and feed my amusement... 🏃

🔥 https://t.co/sT7ToNcSkR

X · Mar 31, 2026, 3:00 PM

[fickle pine]

understood, thanks for the heads up

[smoky raft]

... right. Twitter videos hate discord

[errant pebble]

Also my napkin math was incorrect, I assumed 18 sec per termi spawn, but it's standard rate not the doubled one. Witch would make it 9 seconds, and if tele to start of the course, at peak efficiency it's 3.6m ?🤔

[toxic vortex]

they really should be embedding them directly to the webpage for leagues

[smoky raft]

they REALLY should

[errant pebble]

They are

[smoky raft]

no, they aren't

[errant pebble]

On the webpage lower down

[toxic vortex]

its a twitter link to the video

[smoky raft]

I access my browser exclusively in private mode and every time I have to toggle on X embeds to see the videos

[toxic vortex]

I don't see why its all being uploaded to twitter

@grim lark

[errant pebble]

Under reveals and teasers i can watch without toggling x

[toxic vortex]

Yes cooked food/smelted bars do go in to the knapsack

but you still need to go to a bank to access them

[errant pebble]

Afk smithing, cooking , agility, fishing, woodcutting and mining with 2 relics. Plus gp solved.

[timber quest]

i beeen thinking about desert as the first zone i unlock and what hotfooted does for the giants foundry supply, and tempy cooking is pogggg

[smoky raft]

honestly I still haven't put much thought into regions

[sullen latch]

Which two offer all of these ?

[smoky raft]

entirely depends on what combat style I go for and I'm not picking that before masteries are shown

[errant pebble]

@sullen latch hotfoot and endless harvest

Everything is 30 min afk

[sullen latch]

Ah yes

[timber quest]

blorva can be attained this leagues lol

[old tapir]

honestlyyyy, this relic might be better than woodsman if you 0 time fletching and have a good hunter method

[errant pebble]

Only sad for seeds

[old tapir]

yeah i'm desperately looking for reloaded and forager now lol

i don't see herblore being solved any other way

[errant pebble]

T5 harvest relic solves it as long as you can get some seeds

[foggy flare]

Mixology minigame?

[errant pebble]

It gives 10x herbs

Minigame too

[old tapir]

i think we might be looking at a kourend, fremmy, desert, ranged league

based on current reveals

we'll see if it changes

[errant pebble]

Kourend looks very strong

[old tapir]

and then like (if possible) harvest, hotfoot, teleport, reload into forager, undecided on the latter half

[toxic vortex]

its hard to without knowing all of the relics, and especially the pacts

and the details around the echo boss drops

[sterile lake]

Yeah we don’t really know if this is gonna be a league where 5tick rounds down even, might end up being echo items are better than megas

Would really make things topsy turvy

[toxic vortex]

Like, Zeah seems to be a good pick

Especially pending the echo item

Desert so far seems a bit meh

Mory could be interesting, depending on the echo boss

double hit KBD crossbow

[fickle pine]

Desert to me, seems like a great skilling choice

[toxic vortex]

ngl, thats cool

But sadly also seems to confirm no thunder khopesh

crossbow also has ice barrage effect

[gentle rune]

Anyone choosing abundance and hotfoot

[errant pebble]

Wildy with evil eye looked very nice

@gentle rune where are you gonna stuff all that money?:)

[old tapir]

archer helm obtainable in the wilderness?

[gentle rune]

For quick agi xp between runecrafting spots

[fickle pine]

Abundance is amazing, if combat focused with weapons that hit frequently and fast.

[toxic vortex]

I doubt it

[errant pebble]

Abundance is great for the level boost

[toxic vortex]

Probably just trying to nail the usual low cost gear look

[gentle rune]

Hotfoot is really important for kourend because how are ypu gonna get shayzian armour 5

[fickle pine]

since it autosmelts lovakite? I am curious about how it matters to kourend

[gentle rune]

You need to get 93 smithing for full lovakite gear

For lizardman shamans

And stuff

Its also makes money when you run from blood altar or soul altar

[fickle pine]

I see, thank you for the elaboration, I can see your point. Very logical

[candid vector]

why did they nerf the wilderness by removing the khopesh?

hopefully that crossbow is good

[plain pasture]

Range is getting some love which is nice.
We need melee also now

[fickle pine]

abundance would go with your hotfoot strategy as well, especially if you consider that lake molch would be your alternative to woodsman when it comes to Hunter training.

[fickle pine]

Oh, did you not see the dual weapon from the Amox image? that is for sure a new weapon design

[toxic vortex]

Yes. And we've still not seen the echo uniques from asg/desert/mory

Or T

[fickle pine]

What other option in the Desert is there than the Kalphite queen outside of raids?

[smoky raft]

why not just... the combat ring?

[fickle pine]

that is only one part of the explanation, the runecrafting route still sells the logic to me.

[toxic vortex]

maybe tempoross

but that would be a stretch

I could see an echo wardens before that

[timber quest]

You can do the sequence of fights going up the tiers to get each piece :)

[smoky raft]

we had echo sol heredit, wardens are definitely on the table

leviathan is also technically in the desert this time but I don't think they'll do that

[toxic vortex]

Thats the other one I was trying to remember

[timber quest]

I can see them reusing echo kq cuz I think it was popular, but maybe not a drygore bp as the reward

[smoky raft]

drygore bp always felt... bad

[timber quest]

Hopefully it will be because it'll be nice to have a D pick to endlessly harvest with :p

[smoky raft]

I mean it had to be meant as a ranged swap for people who didn't pick ranged, right?

[gentle rune]

Im p sure you can pick any relic and it just goes with every region its 2 different thing abundance w hotfoot could work for kourend but it can also work w other regions

[smoky raft]

its whole gimmick was a second accuracy roll, but ranged never missed at T6

[timber quest]

From what I saw it was super nice for early game, and had some uses in late game but if u got desert u got tbow

[fickle pine]

in the trailer, when Yama is yapping, we see them zoom into the desert, zomming further into an antechamber lit with candles, that could be the Ancient Vault, meaning all 4 guardians potentially are getting an echo fight

[smoky raft]

echo dt2. No new mechanics but you gotta fight em all at once

[timber quest]

echorva when

[fickle pine]

Take my money, I am down

[timber quest]

wait does this make the flask hit 89 per splat

cuz 99+50% 149-40% 89 rounded

[fickle pine]

pretty sure that 1.5 is in regards to xp

[timber quest]

idk cuz the other places where xp changes explicitly state its xp

i read that as a visible/invisble boost perhaps

[fickle pine]

I mean fair, I also had that thought when you asked the question.

[smoky raft]

That's... hm.

I was thinking xp but the way its worded isn't very clear

[timber quest]

last years version is almost the same sentence but with xp and ngl i think its more likely they messed up the wording xd

[vestal shuttle]

Oh no I have to make decisions now, woodsman and hotfoot both look so fun

[timber quest]

hootfooot

[fickle pine]

that would mean that you do 135 total damage in a pvp fight with the flask in 2.4 seconds

[smoky raft]

the nuclear bomb in my pocket:

[fickle pine]

in raging echoes, did it increase the flask damage?

[timber quest]

that gimmick came from the echo weapon dropped by sol, but it was tied to your prayer bonus which was kinda cool

echo sol better gimmie a manticore salamander type thing

[fickle pine]

I love the combo of abundance and hotfoot to be honest. that seems broken on a combat account, epecially on dual weapons in varlamore

[smoky raft]

probably no echo sol this year

echo amoxliatl has been confirmed

[toxic vortex]

There was some hope that maybe we'd have two echo bosses per this year, but doesn't seem to be

[timber quest]

surelyyyy they cant take it away from us

[toxic vortex]

Unless maybe they give us an option to fight the previous year bosses for no extra rewards

Like, just normal loot rolls

[timber quest]

https://klipy.com/gifs/why-not-both-take-both

[toxic vortex]

no echo items

[timber quest]

echo yama is in the colo maybe

[fickle pine]

well if you take t9 into consideration, and the way the tiers are being released, it could be giving us a code to where to find Yama's echo

Like UNDER VARLAMORE I REST or comething

My gut feeling is that Yama is in that unused Perilous moons exit in the antechamber, or under that church in the city.

[timber quest]

ye what is up with that empty ass door

[fickle pine]

it is used in the quest I believe

[smoky raft]

it leads to the chest room iirc

There's another broken pathway somewhere, I think that's it

[blissful fiber]

Hot footed with abundance is gonna be wild

[fickle pine]

defintely for a combat build, easily the best option

dual macua's plus a controlled stance, easily the best way to grind all melee stats

[blissful fiber]

doe

im still debating if i really want abundance

considering its my first league

endless harvest seems so much more chill

for a first league

[fickle pine]

Then consider this, all the perks are uniquely broken where almost all process flows are great. Knowing that, any choice is the correct choice

[blissful fiber]

while i know that "all choice are the correct choice"

i cant shake off the feeling i could brick myself into something unenjoyable

i did gridmaster and botched my combat exp share scroll for example
this completely killed it for me so i stopped on day 2

[fickle pine]

What do you find enjoyable about Runescape? find an end goal and then find paths that look like they can hit your target.

for instance barb gathering > woodsman > nature accord can grind woodcut, fletch, farming, str, agi and firemaking, through woodcutting. Hunter is a passive tangent where farming benefits from the rumour loot from doing varlamore hunting rumours.

if you are going to focus boss fights and slayer, abundance and hotfoot, look like a great way to build a combat based account.
get a fast hitting weapon and you benefit from a latent xp base that will grind your character up by movement and combat.

[blissful fiber]

farming is a no go for me on account of the fact the farming relic didnt have instant growth

i guess gridmaster kinda made me into a spoiled baby about it

[fickle pine]

think about the dual macua for instance
they are a controlled multi-hit weapon.
that means abundance will scale on all melee damage types if you get them, making a large base xp pool on a successful hit.

[atomic plinth]

Finally a relic that doesnt feel nerfed, we'll take the wins however small they may be lol

[fickle pine]

How do we start slayer in Varlamore? is that why Karamja is mandatory so we get access to duradel?

[atomic plinth]

We have access to Zanaris at the start

[fickle pine]

ah, thank you

[atomic plinth]

Ok how was kbd chosen as the echo again? Wilderness is spoiled for choices on a new echo boss...

[toxic vortex]

That is an excellect question

I'd have thought at least maybe corp

[atomic plinth]

Echo vet'ion, Echo Veninatis, Echo Callisto, Echo Corp, ECHO FART CLOWD!!! I really dont get how of all places Wildy got a repeat Echo

Heck Id even take Echo Crazy Arch or Echo Chaos Fan

[blissful fiber]

wouldnt the logical answer just be that

you cant pk at kbd

so people cant crash you

[atomic plinth]

You mean they couldn't make an instance like they do with many other bosses?

[broken chasm]

Does anyone know if it is confirmed or not if you can hunt anything with woodsman? Since it's 100% catch rate and given the in-game start up notification saying you can try and catch anything but just has 100% fail rate..

[blissful fiber]

woodsman doesnt specify that it skips requirements

i doubt it override that

[broken chasm]

hmmm.. just weird it gives that start up notification that you can technically hunt anything just with 100% fail rate.. but guess I gotta wait and find out.

[fickle pine]

if you consider that they made natures accord, a perk that allows you to plant outside the level requirement, The answer could be that you are able to hunt outside of your level requirement as well. since there is a tool tip that indicates you can try, but fail if you do not meet the requirements, then the way it is written could mean that it will succeed.

if that was true though, it would be valued as a higher tier perk in my mind

[smoky raft]

historically, "100% catch rate" relics have not worked that way

[toxic vortex]

If it did work that way, they would have specifically mentioned it in the relic details. Like what they did for farming

[fickle pine]

And if it worked that way, the perk would be a higher tier, as it is incredibly broken to hunt moonlight moths early, or sunlight antelopes for shards

[tacit oyster]

i love people crashing out why their chins are not getting caught when they afk on top of their trap with 100% catch chance

[sleek wraith]

Ok yeah…..endless and hot foot is what I’m doing

[toxic vortex]

Hot foot seems like it will be what I do

Once you get bars, smithing is relatively fast

This solves bars

[fickle pine]

if one goes the combat/slayer playstyle early game, then hotfoot is useless to a player that grabs evil eye, as the main goal for agility is to bypass long treks to bosses.

[atomic plinth]

so apparently Doubleshine and YewJack have both said it was confirmed that the clue relic skips emote and Falo steps like last year

[molten gust]

Looking at the image for echo kbd. What are those gloves they got on? I don’t recognize them.

[atomic plinth]

probably an echo item

[molten gust]

If it is. Maybe its another that Amox drops? Since they look kinda ice like.

[atomic plinth]

could also be dropped by an echo boss we havent seen yet

[sleek wraith]

unless recall relic is added then that solves the "getting to bosses problem" granted not as fast as the amulet relic but its good enough

[errant pebble]

When do you think task lists will be available? Does anyone knows when we're they up last time?

[sleek wraith]

usually 2 or 3 days before league

it wont be all of them either

[errant pebble]

Ok, that's not bad

[silent garnet]

What problem is there in terms of getting to bosses? Amoxliatl is right there, chambers, toa, tob are all right there. Cerberus I guess?

[errant pebble]

Wym?

[sleek wraith]

gwd? only a few bosses but all those problems can be mitigated with recall

[sleek wraith]

they dont release the whole task list. they only release a few of them for each easy,medium,hard etc

want to keep most of them a secret until release

[silent garnet]

Sure, gwd would be annoying

[sleek wraith]

basically if you go wildy you may want to get the boss amulet relic

[tacit oyster]

gwd isnt that bad since you can bank at nex and kill counts dont reset

[sleek wraith]

wildy would be the biggest benefit of that amulet

[silent garnet]

??? Wildy seems like the biggest non-issue to me, kbd has burning ammy, obelisks are right next to ferox and you can pick where to go. Rev caves are free to enter. What boss in the wildy takes a long time to get to?

[sleek wraith]

depends on areas you have unlocked. lever wont be available unless you choose kandarin.

yehh obelisk i forgot

mmmm....intresting. you right lol

[silent garnet]

Anyone know of good RC methods for varlamore?

[sleek wraith]

for rc? nope. chances are im going with kourend to fix that issue

arceus library you can easily get 99 magic and rc doing book turn ins

or if i go desert instead then i got gotr

[latent magnet]

Desert is gonna be the play for me this time around. ToA has better purple rates than CoX and it's way easier.

Unless there's some crazy Justi tech

[silent garnet]

Its hard to pick anything other than desert/morytania because raids

[fickle pine]

if the theiving perk is as great as last year's, Morytania over Kourend for myself as my first region unlock

[toxic vortex]

They did go back and confirm that it does. Was just left off the relic description

[atomic plinth]

that makes the relic 100x better

[formal gulch]

Builds?

[copper gorge]

Wont really know until we get full list of combat masteries

[silent garnet]

We don't even have a single relic in t7 reveals

[formal gulch]

Oh.

T7 is combat related relic, I can feel it in my bones.

[toxic vortex]

It does

[errant pebble]

They are trying to save it, it must be something spicy

[sleek wraith]

So who here plans to go endless and hot foot route?

[toxic vortex]

I'm currently leaning BG/hot foot

[sleek wraith]

Going endless so I can just afk 5 99s basically

[manic prairie]

If I take hot foot I guess the right choice is endless harvest?

Barbarian loses most its value with agility xp, bountiful loses its gp value

[errant pebble]

Yeah, eh makes 5 99s as said before

Full afk

[manic prairie]

Even if not afk, infinite rune and adamant bars if they work together

Only thing woodsman has over it is double hunter

But idk if I’ll do hunter much? It doesn’t unlock a lot

[formal gulch]

Hunter rumors give a lot of stuff.

[toxic vortex]

Never done one

[manic prairie]

each one drops crafting, herblore, and prayer xp items

and some hunter meats

but like

endless harvest also does that

mining calcified deposits for 25 minute loggout timer

[timber quest]

Oo I wonder how endless harvest works on the special spots in cam torum

[dry turret]

Which special spots are you referring to?

[timber quest]

When the water trickles over the rock and you get the uhhh 15%? Boost

[dry turret]

Ahh yeah, the Calcified rocks mining

Personally I hope EH does work with them. Would be really nice to get AFK bone shards.

Didn't think about the 15% boost, that's an interesting question.

[timber quest]

Can totally see it being the method to get to 43 prayer asap

[dry turret]

Yeah definitely

Especially since I think we can just walk straight into Cam Torum from the start, since Perilous Moons is auto-completed.

[timber quest]

Oooo yeah

There's gonna be a mining req for it, which I only just remembered

41

Im 65% sure I'm taking hot footed so it won't be an issue for me :p

[dry turret]

I'm thinking EH + Hotfooted right now since it's nice synergy. But waiting to see whether other relics change that opinion.

[timber quest]

I really hope we get the final t2 relic today so plans for the first few hours can start to be drawn up xD

[dry turret]

Some people are saying the last T2 relic could be Thieving + Crafting, and maybe Construction or Runecraft?

Would sort of make sense based on the other relics in the tier.

[timber quest]

I hope it is theiving/crafting cuz it makes my decision a lot easier

what with having access to rich citizens and not having access to underwater thieving (for 99+ agility) I think the thieving relic loses a lot of power this year

But an rc relic could appear then and then it's uh oh time

[fickle pine]

I think we are going to see a city perk. like thieving and shop purchasing (from trailblazer)

[dry turret]

"Dodgy Sale" or "Black Market Sale" xD

[twilit halo]

dumb question, but is it automatic from start, that shops dont diplete and prices dont drop/raise when buying/selling shops? or was that a relic perk? I only playd leagues 5 before

[fickle pine]

"shops dont deplete and prices dont drop/raise when buying/selling shops" - not a perk, just a mechanic of leagues

[manic prairie]

Iirc if you buy multiple of an item it will charge you as if the price changed

But won’t continuously increase

So spam buying one at a time should be more money efficient but less finger efficient

[fickle pine]

Real talk, do we believe the drop today when it comes out?

[twilit halo]

what do you mean?

[fickle pine]

April 1st

[twilit halo]

of damn i didnt think of that hahah you're right

[timber quest]

Imagineeeee xD

[tacit oyster]

their april 1st post was the mac support

[twilit halo]

How does the auto smith bars from Hotfoot work when mining infernal shale?

[errant pebble]

It's gonna get crushed instead

[low cloak]

Reloaded...

[toxic vortex]

holy shit they did make it a t7

[low cloak]

So t7 really isn't bankers note vs total recall

[toxic vortex]

That seems like a wasted t7

[timber quest]

Reloading doesn't seem sso hype when there's so many gaps still

[toxic vortex]

they literally just copy pasted a t4 relic to a t7 relic

[vapid silo]

having neither banker's note or last recall would be a lil painful

hopefully one of those is somewhere still

[timber quest]

I'm glad I was wrong about t7 being ruinous powers vs grimoire

[smoky raft]

oh fuck yeah

[timber quest]

What a flub of a drop though idc about reloading when 5 of the 7 tiers have 1 of 3 things revealed and there's no immediate discussion of which t7 are you taking lmao

Drop both you cowards xD

[polar pulsar]

fair, but we still have 2 weeks, so, soon we'll know more

[smoky raft]

so uh

what do we think about the red ones

[vapid silo]

officially any further relic reveal will at least be in direct comparison to something else from now on

[polar pulsar]

red are just the chosen relics, but unreleased

[smoky raft]

ah, right

me using 100% of my brain power btw

[polar pulsar]

100% of 2 is still 2

jkjk

[full lodge]

The blurred text says something like Available April 15th apparently

[smoky raft]

now I'm REALLY curious what the other T7 relic will be

[errant pebble]

Recall?

[smoky raft]

I hope so! That would make the decision REALLY easy for me

I hate recall lmao

[errant pebble]

Yeah

[timber quest]

Dya reckon if recall comes back it will be the strong Chad version from last year or the cheems lame version from before

[polar pulsar]

if it's bankers note, i have no choice, i'm a scrub i need the infinite supplies lol

[smoky raft]

it's too finnicky in my experience, though admittedly this is coming from the perspective of someone who husually has access to banker's note

I wouldn't be surprised if we see corrupted shark tbh

maybe even bottomless brews at some point

[timber quest]

I used recall last year and had a great time with it but it took some thinking to make it work right

[polar pulsar]

if that were the case, it'd be easy to skip bnote

[old tapir]

reloaded is TIER SEVEN?!

that's kinda hot

[toxic vortex]

its kind of lame

[old tapir]

i suppose you're gonna be getting your other relic pretty late

[timber quest]

I gotta look at last year's relics and see if I still would've reloaded for the echo pickaxe if it was a higher tier xD

[toxic vortex]

Hey everyone, not an April fools I promise! After discussing it more thoroughly with the rest of the team, we're not going to be sharing the global tasks this far ahead of launch. They'll be available to you all on launch day as per usual.

We'll still reveal the Varlamore & Global easy/medium tasks at some point to help with any day 1 planning.

To confirm a few things you may want to know for region planning if you're going for point cap

• You will want at least one raid to get all 3 mega rares
• You will need to be able to fill 750 collection log slots
• You will need to be able to complete 10 different bosses CA lists
• You will need to be able to complete 30 CA Speed Tasks
• You will need to be able to complete 250 CA tasks total
• You will need to reach the Elite tier of the Combat Achievements
• Additionally, you'll need to be able to get to 50M XP in each skill

As long as your regions meet the above criteria you should be able to reach the point cap. Any tasks which an area has which are deemed incompleteable through an oversight will be autocompleted at some point after launch. Same with any diary tasks within the areas.

Finally, just to give just a little bit of a leak (since this should hopefully add a lot to the relic reveal discussions) here's 4 new XP tasks which you might want to keep in mind 👀

• Obtain 100 million experience in any non-combat skill
• Obtain 100 million experience in either Attack, Strength, Defence, Magic, Ranged, Hitpoints or Prayer
• Obtain 200 million experience in any non-combat skill
• Obtain 200 million experience in either Attack, Strength, Defence, Magic, Ranged, Hitpoints or Prayer

there are 100m and 200m xp tasks this time

[errant pebble]

The only way I see to use if t6 has good competition with slayer relic, I would use reloaded on t6

[toxic vortex]

from Husky in the leagues disc

@vapid silo can you pin that message?

[old tapir]

gonna be a pretty difficult choice if forager is revealed soon

i think hotfoot is probably better early but having to wait for tier 7 for forager could be annoying

hmmm

other option is a herblore relic that isn't in tier 2

[old tapir]

that would be nice also

[errant pebble]

So, EH got buffed again

[old tapir]

how so

[vapid silo]

I have a feeling reloaded is a trap

[errant pebble]

Afk to 200 mil, and 5 skills to 50 mil

[old tapir]

really depends on what else is in there, because slayer and farming relics are both kinda poopy

[vapid silo]

fully expect the other thing in tier 7 to be way better than any other previous relic

[old tapir]

imaaaaagine its bankers note

the devastation

[vapid silo]

yeah like if it's BN, there's no way I am reloading

almost makes me wish reloaded was just by itself in a tier and you have to pick 1 previous one

[errant pebble]

T6 might be still strong, I don't think there will be a point to pick any early tiers relic in the late game

[smoky raft]

inb4 reloaded or free combat mastery

[fickle pine]

nah, t7 equilibrium

[smoky raft]

would be stupid but I'm here for stupid

[errant pebble]

Lmao

[errant pebble]

Imagine

[vapid silo]

actually kinda balanced idea

[low cloak]

We're not going to need recall when we have evil eye and a full poh

Just house tabs and the evil eye item

[fast sparrow]

Anyone seen the !turtle message on April 9ths drop-down on the reveals page?

[low cloak]

Jesus

[errant pebble]

What?

[low cloak]

That's from the leagues discord

It's a command that posts a random turtle

[smoky raft]

turtle relic has been a joke in the past

but uh

one of the relics on the table IS a turtle

[blissful fiber]

just what can beat the ability to pick an extra previous relic

gawd damn

[low cloak]

Maybe picking a free combat mastery?

[edgy lava]

the only thought i had when i saw todays reveal was "wtf?"

[low cloak]

Same

[blissful fiber]

masteries are becoming the demonic pacts

[edgy lava]

not in a bad way tho

[blissful fiber]

which have not been covered yet

[low cloak]

They should've saved this for later IMO

[smoky raft]

maybe pickign a free demonic pact then

same difference

[smoky raft]

as though they wouldn't act foolish on today of all days

[low cloak]

True

[edgy lava]

having the relic be THAT at THAT tier means the other option has to be insane

[low cloak]

Maybe it's Banker's Note

[edgy lava]

i'd be ok with not choosing bankers note at that point if im honest

because the possible combinations could be incredible

[smoky raft]

weird to think that every reveal for tiers 2-6 will now not only be weighed against the other relics of their tier but also weighed against whatever unknown we have in T7

[edgy lava]

it's amazing isnt it

endless harvest + barbarian gathering + woodsman, imagine

but at that point of the game obviously you aren't getting 2 tier 1's

[smoky raft]

getting REALLY GOOD at specifically woodcutting

[edgy lava]

nah you'd be good at fishing and mining, just abnormally good at woodcutting firemaking and fletching on top of it

plus a psudo smithing and cooking too

And strength and agility to a lesser extent too

Just a lot of XP that requires 1 click every 20 minutes I do suppose

[fickle pine]

since there are 200m xp goals, then that combo looks nice.

[edgy lava]

We know what the goals are?

Also I like the idea because I don't want to actively skill in a league if I'm honest

[toxic vortex]

We only know because husky specifically mentioned that there are 100m and 200m xp tasks for both a non combat and combat skill

It was mentioned in the leaguesbdiscord today

[edgy lava]

I see, that could mean just 1 of each XP milestone for each type of skill, but if it was 100m and 200m for every skill that could be huge

[smoky raft]

here

[toxic vortex]

It's not for every skill

[smoky raft]

it's 200m in one combat skill and one non-combat skill

[toxic vortex]

Now, you could mix and match

100m in fm, 200m in fletch

[edgy lava]

That wouldn't be hard to do with endless harvest

As for combat that's definitely going to be a natural 200m

[toxic vortex]

Especially since we all have crab

[edgy lava]

Man don't do the crab like that

[toxic vortex]

That's what he craves though

[edgy lava]

Electrolytes?

[white patio]

tbh 200m in a non combat isn't that trivial its kind of a huge time investment

in the last league i hit dragon and while i did have 200m str exp none of my non combats were remotely close

probably gonna end up being one of those for people that are actually chasing max points

[edgy lava]

right but in the last league were you able to click a rock and let it mine until it nerd logged you?

[white patio]

no but i was actually playing the game thus had no time for that

granted if you can come up with some sneaky way to stay logged in while you sleep it would be easy

[edgy lava]

it might actually be a larger time investment but you get to do other things making the time fly by so it really isnt bad

just click 1 time every roughly 20 minutes and you're good

basically its 200m xp gained from when you want to take a break

[white patio]

i could also see someone doing something like using reloaded to stack barb and endless harvest

[edgy lava]

indeed

[white patio]

ya

and you'd just afk like 4 skills at once

[smoky raft]

kinda curious if the global task list filter will actually work this time around

I love seeing tasks that I can't do! it's so fun and quirky !!!

[fickle pine]

on the top of that Natures accord for even further logs per tree planted

[smoky raft]

* if it works like that

[toxic vortex]

It was mentioned because there are always people who want to point cap

[azure root]

there will be some busted methods that will fix that

i feel like con was like 80m phr

[timber quest]

the spec attack is deleting attack delay on a 3t weapon xD

[toxic vortex]

yeah but thats overlooking it a bit

you can do an auto attack + spam specs for instant damage

And if there is a spec relic like we have had in the past

[timber quest]

I wonder how it works if you're not next to the NPC you are targeting

[toxic vortex]

So potentially 4 hits in very rapid succession

• maybe more depending on spec relic

And it ties in to elemental weaknesses

[timber quest]

I can't remember how the math maths with 3t weapons at full speed

They're still 2t?

[toxic vortex]

It was 2t in the past

remains to be seen for this league

[timber quest]

I gotta recheck the blog but iirc they gave most things in gwd an elemental weakness in the 2nd batch rigut?

[tropic mantle]

yea but one is weak to demonbane and the other flies

though ig no demonbane

[timber quest]

Damn I'm so interested to see what happens if you're not stood next to the enemy

Say u pass the door through maiden red x on her and click the spec on thr very next tick

We getting zipped across for the attack to hit immediately? XD

[toxic vortex]

I thought they said demonbane would be taken care of somehow

[old tapir]

eye is somehow 1 tick

[tropic mantle]

i fully assume its just gmaul

[old tapir]

even though its 3 tick base

could be either with this dagger

[timber quest]

This math ain't mathing xD

Damn math

[tropic mantle]

oh?

[timber quest]

Ooh I see

[old tapir]

yeah it was CRAZY in grid

[toxic vortex]

I thought that was a bug for grid

[old tapir]

i never heard about it being a bug, i just know it was 1 tick there

[timber quest]

Hopefully the atlatl gets the same bug cuz I wanna see a 1t slaplatl

[old tapir]

tbf it felt strong enough that it probably could have been a bug

but i'm also mentally comparing it to shadow

good way to get people who need the huey tile to dislike you

this was in a group of 20

slurp up half the loot, yummy

[vestal shuttle]

Oh shit Reloaded is kinda crazy

I can take Hotfoot AND Woodsman. I CAN PUNCH ROCKS AND TREES SO HARD THEY COMBUST

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-doctor-octopus-the-power-of-the-sun-in-the-palm-of-my-hand-sun-gif-23770857

[sleek wraith]

reloaded seems like the choice to take...unless we get bankers note on same tier 7

[inland adder]

The starting 3 will definally be hard to pick between them base on wat comes later in the tree

[copper gorge]

Tier 7 feel like reloaded isnt gunna hit as hard as some are thinking

[cinder remnant]

The relics get so many down votes

[sleek wraith]

na no way. ill def be going with endless with hot foot. 100%

and if abundance works together with hot foot then ill go back for abundance with reloaded relic. unless the next 7th tier relic outshines reloaded

[inland adder]

The choices feel more numerous this time around compared to before

[copper gorge]

Endless with hotfoot seems the play

Mining auto smelt afk. Fishing auto cook afk.

[sleek wraith]

it basically lets you afk 5 skills all the way to 99. ez choice

here the real question tho...if i mine sandstone will it auto smelt into molten?

[inland adder]

Good question
My guess is probably not

[old tapir]

they really dont

[copper gorge]

Well you would need soda ash so not likely

[sleek wraith]

You also need coal for bars but the relic makes it so you don’t need it

[minor echo]

!turtle

Nvm

[inland adder]

I keep forgetting how much afkible stuff gets liked around here

[manic prairie]

i always want to force melee

but melee has always been bad

but i still kinda want to force melee

[toxic vortex]

every league so far I tell myself I wont do melee

only to end up doing melee

[minor summit]

Melee was so much fun in Trailblazer and Shattered Relics. Trailblazer Reloaded was Magic's time to shine, then of course, Raging Echoes was Range.

[formal gulch]

Tentative builds?

[sleek wraith]

going range again cause the shortbow sounds fun in kourend

and range has been op for past few leagues

[formal gulch]

Shortbow?

[sleek wraith]

yeah echo hespori will drop a shortbow

apparently its a bow that heals and restores prayer

[formal gulch]

Oh.

Too bad Kourend has CoX, which has a lower chance to get purple.

[manic prairie]

i just dont wanna do desert >:l

[sleek wraith]

yeah. im hoping it fixes the drop rate for purples

[formal gulch]

The JMods said that it's not possible given their current time frame to fix it.

I think Goblin or Arcane said it in Reddit?

[manic prairie]

they said they were lowering the odds of prayer scrolls in cox

to 1/5th their normal rarity

[formal gulch]

Oh that's nice.

[sleek wraith]

welp. guess ill have to think about it still. cox isnt that bad anyway.

[formal gulch]

IMO they should just make the scrolls a one-time drop.

But that's also probably really hard to program in without breaking something.

[sleek wraith]

if i dont choose kourend then ill probably go melee

ill 100% be grabbing asgarnia, mory and idk for 3rd

maybe they will make combat masteries able to use all 3 styles lol

[formal gulch]

I just wanna use this leagues to learn Doom.

[sleek wraith]

yeh same. i need to learn doom

[toxic vortex]

says who

[formal gulch]

I'm thinking about just taking whatever relics that allows me to pump out as many mith/addy/rune darts + a blowpipe.

[sleek wraith]

its the word going around.

not been proven but thats what people are saying it will be

[formal gulch]

So that I can have matching dps in main game.

[sleek wraith]

kind of want to choose prif again this league

its always been a good place for quick points

[sleek wraith]

what we thinking other t7 relic is? i have a feeling its bankersn ote

note

or recall

[silent garnet]

pick an extra region - it rewards no points

[sleek wraith]

That would be interesting

[molten gust]

Or gain another thing for combat mastery stuff. Whatever that ends up being. Would make the choice so hard.

[inland adder]

I would need to see more options to see wat I'll take

[meager mango]

Seems like a good idea but honestly doom is like 10k feath fees and you'll be alot more op in lesgues id just go practice now if you wanna do doom

[sleek wraith]

Pvm in leagues is more about learning mechanics. Obviously it’s way different than main game but you can still get the feel of what to expect.

[icy parrot]

What’s the over under on relic selection so far?

[minor summit]

Well, starting today, it is the first day the next relic reveal will complete a tier (not counting T1)

[vapid silo]

that's assuming it's T2 or T7, but at the very least we will know at least 1 other relic it competes against

[cinder remnant]

I saw the reveal will be little later than expected

[slate kite]

How dare they make us wait! /s

[frail saddle]

where did you see this

[frail saddle]

[slate kite]

Husky in leagues disc

[frail saddle]

different server?

damn

invite link is dead

[slate kite]

I would post but cant post links even to official RS servers gg

[tacit oyster]

can check #affiliate-communities for working invite link to leagues discord

[toxic vortex]

you are probably banned if that is the case

so rip you

or maybe it did expire

@cyan shale fix the link

[frail saddle]

look in pins

would be impressive if i got banned from somewhere i haven't been

[tacit oyster]

you can see working link in #affiliate-communities

[frail saddle]

yeah found it

cheers

🐢

[cyan shale]

Interesting one sec

[molten gust]

Doing a google search can find the osrs leagues discord. If links are a struggle here.

[toxic vortex]

well, the funny thing about that is I have asked previously if we could have a bot command to share the leagues server

I was shot down

[cinder remnant]

It’s going pretty wild right now

[slate kite]

[molten gust]

There is some extra things in the part of the blog where they have the videos showing the relics. I cannot send pictures here so here is a copy of the text.

April 2nd: ???
I knew you would check here...

April 3rd: ???
I'm sure you want more...

April 4th: ???
Should I... Maybe?

April 5th: ???
Just one little teaser?

April 6th: ???
Fine

April 7th: ???
April 8th: ???
April 9th: ???
!turtle

April 10th: ???
April 11th: ???
April 12th: ???
April 13th: ???
April 14th: ???

[toxic vortex]

you are almost there

[cyan shale]

Fixed

[molten gust]

I usually only use this discord to check game updates and rarely talk. So makes sense I wouldn’t have rank stuff.

[frail saddle]

thank you!

[toxic vortex]

I like the leagues disc. Outside of the reveal stuff there ends up being a lot of great info

But for just regular chat, not great

[stone basin]

Place your bet people, what will today’s relic reveal tier be?

I’m hoping the other t7?!

[molten gust]

I am guessing t3.

[toxic vortex]

I'm thinking t7

[errant pebble]

It's too fast, cant even read it

[stone basin]

Hopefully leeks soon

[old tapir]

tier 6 grimoire inshallah

[stone basin]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-ship-arr-leek-in-the-boat-leek-cloudy-with-a-chance-of-meatballs-gif-12107967

[stone basin]

You think grimoires gonna return?

[old tapir]

yes but with a spin

[molten gust]

Its t5! Relic is out

[errant pebble]

I feel like it's one of those must returns

[stone basin]

Where?

[molten gust]

Refresh the blog

[old tapir]

okay so that's bad lol

no fossil island means no clam abuse for agility

[old tapir]

and thieving is fast enough already

tzhaar stall is 3mil xp/h without a relic

[molten gust]

Yeah kinda meh tbh.

[stone basin]

I think I’d pick farming over this

[old tapir]

it feels like half of a t2 relic lol

thieving+herblore relic would have gone hard

[toxic vortex]

and its a t5??

woof

[stone basin]

Even though I like thieving relic usually

#trickster gang

[errant pebble]

I thought it would be t2 with additional buff. It seems the weakest relic so far

[stone basin]

The mushroom is mainly what sells it for me

[molten gust]

Yeah similar to how the farming one would be disappointing without the teleport. This one kinda shares that.

[twilit halo]

sorry if this has been asked and answered already, but does the 10x yeild from natures accord mean 10x each plant from tithe farm?

[errant pebble]

Yes

And no water needed

[molten gust]

Also you don’t even need to water at tithe farm

[errant pebble]

Best part

[twilit halo]

i love the auto pickpocketing, but with nonstop mining gems in shilo and reselling in valamore, dont really need the money from theiving

[twilit halo]

yeah i like that

[old tapir]

apparently its good to delay the karamja unlock until you've done a bit of hunter

[twilit halo]

whys that

[old tapir]

contracts

[errant pebble]

What i like about this relic that it make my choice easier

[old tapir]

jerboas are gonna be SO packed

[twilit halo]

i havent done contracts yet, ive barley done anything in vlamore yet actually

[stone basin]

Karamja isn’t free?

[old tapir]

it is, you just don't get it immediately

[molten gust]

You unlock it after a few hours at most.

[errant pebble]

Free but it unlocks when you unlock your second region

[fickle pine]

the last thing I want to do is unlock karamja before i get to master tier hunter rumours. If i have to hunt graahks...

[old tapir]

exaaaactly

[twilit halo]

whats better overall tho, woodsman for the hunter bonus or hotfoot for both cooked fish and bars?

[fickle pine]

Hear me out Morytania vyres / thzaar stall > blood fury build if amoxi weapon is the multi-hit weapon ppl are theorizing

[errant pebble]

Haven't done rumors, how long does it take to get to master tier?

[fickle pine]

lvl 91/92 hunter

[errant pebble]

Quite a bit of hunting

[fickle pine]

i think expert does not hunt graahks either, although that is assumption not accurate

[old tapir]

hotfoot is better imo, but if you intend to go hard on hunter at the start there's a case to be made for woodsman

[twilit halo]

i was thinking endless harvest then barb fishing to 99 agility, fishing, cooking, and strenth

[molten gust]

Guess the relic will be good if you want rocky.

[twilit halo]

yeah im leaning more towards hotfoot

[fickle pine]

lake molch is an alternative for you then as well

[twilit halo]

ive done there before

it isnt that bad, i liked it for the most part

[old tapir]

if you get snowy knights on gilman, ornus will only assign you jerboas as long as you don't unlock any other regions

[white patio]

tbh they need to show us the alternative to reloaded

[fickle pine]

I was thinking pure combat build until tier 6 abundance > missing tier 2 if combat > evil eye > other tier 4 > Larcenist > culling > other tier 7 > flask

[white patio]

that decision is so big that you cant even really decide on anything without knowing

[cinder remnant]

Idk I’m not really feeling this one

Have to see more reveals to get a better sense

[toxic vortex]

putting this in t5 when its basically the same relic as last year at t2 is certainly a choice

[twilit halo]

i like to forgo as much combat lvls as possible until 8x or 12x then get a few masteries before really getting into it

[white patio]

i mean i'd say its pretty powerful compared to last time

because 10x is way better than aoe pickpocket in most places you'd care

[fickle pine]

farming trees alone without the accord will be fast enough to reach 50m at 16x

[twilit halo]

why no insta grow this time tho?

[cinder remnant]

Tith farm as well + abundance might give a lot of gp

[fickle pine]

we do not know if that is not going to be a thing

yet

[twilit halo]

fair point

[toxic vortex]

this was DD from last league

I dont think the 10x and the extra coin pouches push this from t2 to t5

Thats a big gap

[fickle pine]

joy of only having half the plan to build a full strat, it remains useless holistically

[white patio]

yeah but calling it the same as last time is definitely low balling it

its like twice as good as it was

[fickle pine]

instead of 11x11, they just increased the look 10x, better that way so you do not have to think about aoe when stealing

[twilit halo]

clue compass and pocket kingdom were my favorite last time

[fickle pine]

tier 2 equilibrium?

[white patio]

like for example if you were going to prif to pickpocket you were getting idk 3-6 of whatever big drops depending on npc pathing

now its just flat out 10

[errant pebble]

But what is that for, clues and money? By t5 money shouldn't be much of a problem

[white patio]

however much exp in crafting and smithing that you can dream of

[smoky raft]

it feels like the relics are sorta targeting the afk crowd

[toxic vortex]

it doesn't apply to clues anyway

[errant pebble]

Oh

[toxic vortex]

its mentioned specifically in the video clip that was posted

and also the relic page

[twilit halo]

you dont get 10x clues, but you should get clues quicker with the auto pickpocket with no failing

[errant pebble]

T2 hotfoot solves smithing, crafting wont be an issue with gems anyway

[fickle pine]

well there are 2 main thoughts

1. blood shards from Vyres
2. Crystals from Elves
3. gems from tzhaar, especially the onyx.

[white patio]

yeah but its not for 99 its for 200m easily if you feel like it

[toxic vortex]

yeah but that worked last year with the 11x11 area pickpocket and getting clues

[old tapir]

im still not really seeing a good money maker, i guess as you said mining in shilo and selling in aldarin, but how much is that anyhow

[toxic vortex]

you would still auto-pickpocket and it was 100% success

[twilit halo]

thats true, my clue stack was massive

[vapid silo]

Pretty meh without underwater agility

Think farming is better unless you have tirannwn

[errant pebble]

Hot foot is about 2-3mil and hour. Abundance is however much hp you get, can get up to 10+mil later on

[white patio]

tbh i think they kind of made a mistake with agility this time around

[smoky raft]

I will say, while it does seem a lot better than last year's dodgy deals, it is a tier 5 relic

[white patio]

so far it seems like there is only one correct thing to do about that skill

which is pretty bad in a system like this

[toxic vortex]

this is the issue. without a teleport tied to it, its t3 at most

[twilit halo]

yeah but im definintly leaning more to natures accord over larcenist

[toxic vortex]

or like, some combo effect for herb/crafting/something

[white patio]

i think some version of forager is coming

but

[errant pebble]

Comparing to hotfoot and how many skills it solves, and then t5 pickpocket. Even at t2 it wouldn't be an obvious choice

[white patio]

its probably going to die to there being one really smart pick for agility and nothing else you can really do about the skill

[smoky raft]

honestly if larcenist did increase clue scrolls tenfold it might be worth it, depending on what the other T4 choices are

but I'm definitely in the nature's accord boat until we see the last T5

[toxic vortex]

supposedly Husky is saying that maybe it does work with clues

[white patio]

I hope the last one does something about training agility so there’s more than one thing to do about that skill

[toxic vortex]

If it boosts clues, its not as bad

I still think it shouldn't be a t5

[white patio]

Would probably help open up more routes with the relics

[cinder remnant]

Yeah I don’t get why something like that is a T5

[smoky raft]

well now it has to be weighed against conniving clues and the rest of T4 lmao

not to mention reloaded (though I highly doubt it will be anyone's reloaded pick)

[fickle pine]

Tbf, you will not need to thieve before t5. The benefit from the skill is past lvl80+

[smoky raft]

you won't need to do agility before T5 either but hotfoot is a T2 relic

[fickle pine]

Then why is it good? I dont want it personally. Evil eye makes agility worthless.

[smoky raft]

you'll need agility for tasks

but if you mean "evil eye means I don't have to run" then... I have some good news for you about leagues in general

[white patio]

ya you need to just complete every skill if you're actually playing for points

[fickle pine]

There are enough tasks to wait to do agility b4 16x multiplier is unlocked

[white patio]

thats why there being that one relic thats basically a no brainer for agility and nothing else so far is kind of bad

[smoky raft]

regardless of what relics you pick you don't need to worry about stamina at all

[toxic vortex]

we got a walker

[smoky raft]

nuh UH

[white patio]

i have a horrible feeling that i know what the reloaded competition is going to be already

its gonna be something like bankers note

[fickle pine]

Brother agility skill unlocks make you go to the boss rooms faster. Evil eye is agility skip teleports

[twilit halo]

i hope not

[smoky raft]

what

how does-

agility doesn't make you faster

[toxic vortex]

No I think hes talking about agility shortcuts to boss rooms?

But there aren't that many of those

[smoky raft]

oh you mean like the four bosses that applies to

[white patio]

i wouldn't even really be worried about stuff like that

like evil eye probably sucks

since it seems like in every league we hit a point of just camping in boss rooms

and not leaving

teleporting there isn't doing much

[fickle pine]

Reread the skill. All bosses your region unlocks

[smoky raft]

yes. And?

[fickle pine]

then why do you need agility?

[toxic vortex]

for points

[twilit halo]

points

[smoky raft]

for the tasks that require agility

[fickle pine]

you can easily get 5000 points without agility

[toxic vortex]

sure

[smoky raft]

but it would be easier with agility

[twilit halo]

yeah but the point is do do as many tasks as your can

[toxic vortex]

^

[fickle pine]

it also in contrast would be easier with hunter or thieving. why is agility MORE important in your heads?

[white patio]

plus i think everyone knows if they've done leagues in the past to the point of maxing etc

that agility is basically the worst part

[toxic vortex]

because hunter or thieving isn't as bad to train as agility is

[smoky raft]

focusing too much on one thing is an easy way to get burnt out on the early tiers

you NEED to spread out your goals in the early stretch

[twilit halo]

i mean im not top finisher, ive only done league 5 and i think i got the 3rd trophie, but still doing as many as i could by my main goal

[white patio]

its also worth noting that the best way to do agility

is not in this league

[toxic vortex]

^

[white patio]

we lost that zone

[smoky raft]

you'll get a lot more points (and as such a lot faster relics) by doing a little of everything

[white patio]

so i honestly think if people plan to do all skills its probably a huge self troll to not take hotfoot so far

[twilit halo]

until i got to killing Araxxor, i think i spent like 10 hours on that, it was my favorite part durring gridmaster

[white patio]

its kind of interesting that its that big of a deal because the skill is annoying

i almost think that they should bake some of hotfoot into the league experience from the start

like how they started giving everyone unlimited run without making you choose it

[smoky raft]

leagues 7 will be taking inspiration from L3 and blocking skills

but rather than unlocking them it's just agility that's locked and you can't unlock it. Gone forever

[twilit halo]

lol

[white patio]

honestly that probably would improve leagues

[smoky raft]

actually runecraft too

[white patio]

you just spawn in with 99 agility and its locked

[smoky raft]

I like runecraft but it's not good in leagues

[white patio]

ya rc is another one that sucks but at least its relatively quick

[smoky raft]

it's basically just "pick bankers note or cry"

[white patio]

unless they dont do bankers note

if they dont do bankers note i hate them

that would be enough to convince me to just not max lol

[smoky raft]

I think I'm gonna actually go for max this time around

all the previous leagues I never really focused on it

[white patio]

when i play them i usually get dragon in like ~2 weeks and call it there

and end up maxing in the process

[smoky raft]

I like to dawdle

usually play for a month or so and end up in rune

[copper gorge]

See im thinking if i go to kourend and pickpocket master farmer im getting herb seeds stacked up. Then i dont care as much because ill at least have seeds to utilize and its afk 100%

[white patio]

im curious to see if they do any of the gridmaster stuff like linking one skill to another

that would also give you a good agility alternative

[smoky raft]

I hope so! I liked that

I think it actually worked really well

[white patio]

that could also be a competitor to reloaded

[smoky raft]

honestly I could see that being anywhere from T2 to T5. Pick any 3 (or more?) skills and link em together

[white patio]

and also opens up more area combinations since you could basically fix problems with it

[smoky raft]

I don't think it'll be T7 personally but I could see it

mainly because that relic would be far more useful in the early game when you haven't spent as much time in all your skills

[limpid wharf]

So... are there any actual new relics..?

[smoky raft]

so far everything has been pretty similar to something we've seen in the past

but that's been the case for a long while now

[limpid wharf]

I think the only one I like is the boss one.

[smoky raft]

there's usually only a handful of truly new relics each league

[limpid wharf]

I would have thought the relics would be completely new

[smoky raft]

we still have 10 relics unrevealed fwiw

[molten gust]

The barb gathering is new, evil eye, flask of fervour.

[smoky raft]

yes but they're all similar to relics we've had before

[limpid wharf]

^

[molten gust]

Not barb gathering or evil eye.

Didn’t have one which allowed you to not use tools and have a loot sack. Sure evil eye is another teleport one but it is different then others we have seen.

But yeah most of the rest are just changed up slightly

[limpid wharf]

We do have 10 or whatever more revealed. I just hope we get some brand new never before seen.

[smoky raft]

barb gathering is basically the T1 from L5 but you don't need to actually hold the tool. Sure you lose out on the auto processing (unless you pick hotfoot) but you get all 3

I'd hesitate to call any teleport relic "new"

like barb gathering is just half of each of these smushed together

[limpid wharf]

Someof the relics did need merged, but I would have expected brand new ones with new features we haven't experienced before

[molten gust]

It would be hard to see any truly brand new relics. Most will take notes from last ones in one way or another. Expecting too much will lead to disappointment with them.

[limpid wharf]

Like a solo reveal on the relic that allows you to pick any of the previous

That was troll

[smoky raft]

again, 10 relics haven't been revealed yet. In L5 we only really got Reloaded, Golden God, and Pocket Kingdom

everything else was just a rehash

[limpid wharf]

They missed the mark with the boots. Should have given like a 3-5% increased to run speed

[smoky raft]

how

[limpid wharf]

Now that, wopuld have been fun

[smoky raft]

tell me how that would work

in regards to the tick system

[limpid wharf]

I don't know, they are the engineers not me

Imagine running 3-5% faster

That would be dope

[smoky raft]

frankly I can't imagine it

[limpid wharf]

Pretty dope fantasy

[molten gust]

Tbh the reloaded before was crap. Since it was only picking one from the gathering starter relics. Here its kinda crazy since you got basically all other tiers to think about.

[smoky raft]

it was T4

you could pick between the T1 relics (gathering skills), T2 relics (support skills), or T3 (teleport items)

it was also on the same tier as Golden God and Equilibrium so it wasn't very popular

it's definitely a more interesting choice this time around

[molten gust]

Now to wonder which echo boss will be shown next. Still got desert, morytania, and tirannwn left.

Though desert doesn’t really have anything else besides kq to pick from.

[smoky raft]

I still think echo tempoross would be funny

[fickle pine]

leviathon is desert no?

[toxic vortex]

it technically is this league because it was added for this league

[molten gust]

They don’t do it with the dt2 bosses since awakened is already a sort of echo version.

[toxic vortex]

like levi is technically accessed through misthalin, but they added a portal to GOTR in desert for the league

[fickle pine]

I feel like since that initial trailer, dt2 bosses are echo bosses

the zoom into the desert, into the acnient chapel, has to be a big clue. and we asked for it last year a lot

[toxic vortex]

Its most likely going to be KQ again

[smoky raft]

hm. What about Karamja?

[fickle pine]

Jad perhaps?

[smoky raft]

I mean it never had one, but Misthalin didn't have one either. However, now we're starting in a region that does have an echo boss

[toxic vortex]

We didn't have an echo boss in karamja

I feel like the most likely scenario IF we got an echo boss for karamja would be echo jad

And the drop being a tribrid cape

[smoky raft]

I doubt we'd get echo zuk lmao

then again, we did get echo sol

[fickle pine]

Hear me out, Elvarg

[toxic vortex]

I guess it depends if it is considered misthalin or karamja

[smoky raft]

definitely an iconic boss but so far echos only exist for bosses that can be fought repeatedly

[fickle pine]

headless elvarg

[toxic vortex]

Id love to see an echo jad

[smoky raft]

I have to imagine echo jad would basically just be a manticore

as for tirannwn and morytania... I honestly don't know. They've both got a pretty good selection

[fickle pine]

i think dt2 bosses in the regions, their gear drops are mentioned in their regions. In the desert, they did highlight the leviathon in their loot drops and only in the desert

[smoky raft]

T has Zulrah, CG, and Zalc (if you count Zalc, that is)
M has Barrows, GGs, Araxxor, Nightmare, and ToB (if that even counts)

last time the echos were CG and GGs

[fickle pine]

we are also missing one common pattern so far in all the monsters chosen

Yama gives out contracts, the monsters so far are all within the slayer monster table

therefore i think that the regions also could be slayer monster upgrades

[toxic vortex]

Idk, think its reading too much in to it to say that

Most of the bosses are the same as last year

[molten gust]

So far besides amox. All of them have been the same as before.

[fickle pine]

Hespori was chosen, nevermind, theory disproven

[molten gust]

Though to be fair, echo’s were the main thing for last leagues. So its not overall shocking for them to be the same as before.

[worn ibex]

Do resources like rune rocks respawn faster and if so how much faster?

[minor summit]

I think last leagues it was 3x faster?

[minor summit]

This is what it said for Raging Echoes:

"Rocks, trees, respawnable items, and main-world NPCs respawned faster than the main game. (3x in most cases, and much higher in other cases such as Runite Rocks)"

[weary drift]

I wanna ask, do we know if taking endless harvest, if it affects things such as the bone rocks in the moons area, shooting stars and such??

[atomic plinth]

I love the Jmods I really do but someone please teach them the difference between "NEW" echo bosses and "REWORKED" echo bosses, thank you

[ripe turtle]

Larcenist does not seem like the play here

The only real use I could see for it would be like ore or gem stalls but there's already plenty of ore, and with ore plenty of ways to get money to buy gems

[blissful fjord]

Why are the coin pouches only 10x

Better yet why is there a limit at all?

Absolute trite

[ripe turtle]

Stops bots bro

[blissful fjord]

They stop nothing

[ripe turtle]

No bro trust me

The bots can't click the coin pouch

[blissful fjord]

Player punishing device

You would think that it might stop the simple auto clickers but it doesnt even do that

[toxic vortex]

Husky is trying to confirm the wording/details for the relic, he is under the impression that clues are boosted by this relic

But we won't get confirmation until tuesday

[ripe turtle]

They are not

[toxic vortex]

The relic says they aren't

[weary drift]

Ngl no idea how in the hell I’m training prayer

[toxic vortex]

Husky says he thinks it is

[blissful fjord]

The wording says they are not??

[ripe turtle]

Ohh wait I'm dumb MB

[static notch]

ardy diary progression

[ripe turtle]

Ok in that case then maybe worth? But farming is just so OP

[toxic vortex]

So, its potentially at least a little better

idk if it should be a t5 relic even with the clue aspect

[blissful fjord]

No

[static notch]

skill issue

[weary drift]

Is it? Thieving is stackable money (tzharrs are infinite once firecape) and farming can be a buyable skill or easy with kourend, ngl I still agree that the nature relic is BUSTES but thieving solves like 4 skills potentially more

[toxic vortex]

The relic description specifically says that clues aren't boosted

[blissful fjord]

Right so id assume that means they are not

[toxic vortex]

Like you wont get 10x clues

[toxic vortex]

Yes, but Mod Husky is under the impression that they are

And he would know way better than us

[ripe turtle]

INFINITE potions, and teleports

Is no joke

I'm betting they're gonna have bankers note somewhere

[blissful fjord]

Wym infinite potions?

[ripe turtle]

Farming relic basically gives infinite herbs

[weary drift]

IF they have note then I stand corrected.

[old tapir]

yeah but do you wanna pick up 30k spider eggs?

[weary drift]

But thriving is great and lots of mobs/activities drop herbs or pots

[blissful fjord]

I didnt take farming relic last time and I had functionally unlimited potions

[old tapir]

or snape grass?

[weary drift]

Saracha time!!!

[blissful fjord]

Waste of a relic, tbh its only purpose is to skip training farming

[ripe turtle]

Me when snape grass seeds

[ripe turtle]

[weary drift]

It’s got decent teleports but yeah it’s losing appeal since kourend is right there

Thoughts on tier one and two relics??

[blissful fjord]

I guess this time it actually is useful being combined with fairy flight

[ripe turtle]

Endless harvest + hotfoot

[blissful fjord]

Fairy flight alone is worth a relic slot imo

[weary drift]

Ngl endless harvest gets better and better by the minute because the prayer rocks

[ripe turtle]

I don't care what the third tier 2 relic is

[old tapir]

this is the way, unless forager

[ripe turtle]

It's always gotta be hotfoot

[weary drift]

Over evil eye?

[blissful fjord]

Its not like bosses are hard to get to

And if bankers not exists u get infinite trips anywya

So kinda sucks imo??

[old tapir]

if there's no bankers note i think you'll see flask have like 80% pick rate

[weary drift]

I get that but it’s a bank teleport with Huey and I’m thinking there’s isn’t bankers because why else would they have so many relics AUTO bank shit??

[ripe turtle]

I can only see evil eye being the play if bankers note isn't a thing

[weary drift]

There are like 4 relics already with either auto bank or a storage func

[blissful fjord]

Bankers note power is in the unnoting of supplies

[ripe turtle]

Well yeah but there also were in leagues with some form of bankers

[molten gust]

So did we get a echo boss today? It’s usually shown by now.

[weary drift]

There weren’t too many ways to auto bank last leagues I think??

[ripe turtle]

All I'm saying, the satchel from grid master was way too good looking to throw away on a one-month event

[blissful fjord]

Doesn't matter? I want bankers note to turn stuff back into items..

[old tapir]

pulling 5 sharks out of your butt to run across sotetseg maze is something only bankers note can do

lol

[weary drift]

But yeah idk if bankers then we chillin, if not then evil seems okay, nature seems meh with farming options good in regions and theiving solving a couple skills

[weary drift]

True, but that was also with the help of extra healing from the combat

I just wanna see masteries

[old tapir]

yeah its extremely helpful for learning

[blissful fjord]

Imo its detrimental to learning

U dont learn much if u can just eat through mistakes

[old tapir]

i guess it depends on if you count managing supplies as part of learning

[blissful fjord]

I think that thats important

[old tapir]

fair opinion

[weary drift]

Yes but it gives the option to learn or to grind.

[old tapir]

but there are other ways to learn also

[weary drift]

If you want all the uniques then grind but to learn then don’t use it.

[blissful fjord]

I think leagues in general isnt the best for learning with how much of the boss u can skip by bring op with masteries

[old tapir]

like i wouldn't be able to learn olm if i ran out of food by the time i get to vespula

[blissful fjord]

It certainly does help with learning but idk if its as good as ppl say

[ripe turtle]

That the destination is in a region the player has unlocked...

[old tapir]

could spend an hour making brews in the raid but who does that in a league

its superficial difficulty in that case

[ripe turtle]

What did the person who added that mean by this

[blissful fjord]

This was also a relic in the last league

[ripe turtle]

Oh

The one league I skipped

Frick

[blissful fjord]

It had like a 5% pick rate :p

[old tapir]

it was quite nice for gridmaster

[blissful fjord]

Yeha cos gridmaster didnt have fairy flight

[old tapir]

it did

[blissful fjord]

Did it? Hmm well i guess you didn't have to choose

[ripe turtle]

Relic* I skipped

Sorry

[old tapir]

yeah you got both

[ripe turtle]

Whoops

[blissful fjord]

Oh also the clue compass too

It made bankers heist pointless

[ripe turtle]

Anyone who didn't go clue compass yeah

[blissful fjord]

Cos theres a clue right inside shilo bank lol

[ripe turtle]

Freaks I tell u

I miss my shark

[blissful fjord]

Gridmaster wasnt very fun for me :(

[ripe turtle]

GM was awesome D:

I got 2 pets and they're probably deleted by now

[old tapir]

it was great if you could get over the hump of getting your third combat mastery

because then you have a 1 tick blowpipe to crush everything else

but there wasn't really an easy way to get to that point

[molten gust]

Oh guess they did reveal the next echo. Grotesque guardians with some 4tick staff.

Kinda disappointing since most of the really good echo items were the none weapon ones. While all these so far have been mainly weapons besides the battle helm one.

[toxic vortex]

I like the idea that most all of the echo items have been weapons so far

[smoky raft]

weapons feel nice imo

The echo gloves were good but the rest felt like stat sticks and that just made them kinda boring

[toxic vortex]

I like that we will all have access to the weapon from amox

[worn ibex]

I guess the comment is that it makes a point to say that for Raging Echoes but not this one.

[slate scaffold]

am i tripping or did i just find a leagues leak? (i cant send images here)

Monsters have unique symbols above their head in the chasm of fire

like a blue Star symbol

[tacit oyster]

that is yama contract stuff, been in the game since yama release

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Chasm_of_Fire#Sigils

[molten gust]

Yeah its a whole system to get the contracts to get rad oathplate. Was actually a decent money maker early on.

[slate scaffold]

oh bruh

[low cloak]

RIP gloves of the damned...

Unless we get melee gloves somewhere else I'll have to take Zeah on the melee build or cope w/ a regen bracelet

And I really would rather TOB with the melee build

[candid vector]

i rather camp combat bracelet than picking zeah and doing cox

[weary drift]

Any prayer training we got yet? That seems like a bottle neck to me

[low cloak]

Not from relics, but bone shards are basically the second-best method in the game below the wildy chaos altar

[blissful fiber]

what skill does the latest relic cover?

i can think of thieving, prayer and crafting

i guess smithing and cooking?

their are raw food stalls right?

[low cloak]

Thieving

[copper gorge]

Hunter rumors provide bone shards

[low cloak]

Almost every activity in Varlamore provides bone shards

[blissful fiber]

i know its thieving duh

i meant what skill it affect by extension

due to what it provides

[low cloak]

Crafting and smithing via gem and ore stalls come to mind

With Tirannwyn you can pickpocket teleport seeds to turn in for crystal shards to sing crystal armor over and over again

With Mory you can pickpocket blood shards for the amulet of blood fury