pvp-discussion

[wide crater]

Also there are blighted sacs you can use for pvp. 3 slots on standards and 1 slot on ancients. You can farm surge sacs in pvp arena with points

Also forgot to point that out as well about the ardy cape, dont need if you use glory, you can menu entry swap upur glory to a 1 click tele at 30 wild

[golden lichen]

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[inner dew]

whats ur stats and how much u can afford?

[iron cobalt]

hey

[wide crater]

Youre not gonna make big money until you get at least decent. Go lms get comfy, then get cheap gear with a good spec weapon and send some fights. Once you get 1ticking, dding, and other mechanics down you can start bringing better gear and fighting better people with more risk

[golden lichen]

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[inner dew]

last man standing minigame

it gives you free levels and gear so u dont need to train ur account to play it

[wide crater]

its a mini game. last man standing, its a series of 1v1 fights till someone wins. will help you learn the basics of pvp, how to get better at switches, figure out positioning for your gear and invy etc

[west bough]

is there anything I can do in particular against the atlatl? that thing shreds + it makes their switch to melee one way which makes like random godsword whacks hard to pray against

or worse, nox hally hits

[brazen fox]

Camp pray range mostly they waiting for big atlatl xp drop to stack u

But ye atlatl is problematic 🤣

Also its def sucks so u can use melee/range more to take advantage

[west bough]

yeah that's what I was doing for the most part, changing to mage pray when they swap to robes and camping pray range the rest of the time. was a real problem getting godsword whacked/nox hallyed for 40s/50s though

[west bough]

I've gotten outlasted by atlatl setups at wildy agility course a couple times when I'm using bowfa+crystal. granted they camp pray range and I was definitely getting worked since they were more skilled than me but still

that weapon puts the fear of god in me fr

[brazen fox]

My boy isn’t called atlatl ruined nh for nothing

[west bough]

good to know that getting wrecked by atlatl is a shared experience

[brazen fox]

It’s just boring and there isn’t much trade off range dps/spec dmg bcos u stack str bonus for both

Blood moon tassies, eclipse top, serp, then staff+dfs flick every atlatl for the def bonus and there’s no real downside

Plus u just scb pot for atlatl so ur potted 2x as much for specs and dont need to manage ur pots

[west bough]

yeah I think the part that really got me was the armour being good for both melee+range, made it a lot harder to pray correctly + they save a lot of space with less swaps so they have more supplies as well

I would start running from the atlatl guys but I kind of really want to kill one of them, since the setup has decent risk afaik. especially if they also have hally

[brazen fox]

Yeah it’s not impossible to beat or anything, it’s just harder if u don’t take freezes bcos they can stand outside melee range and ur stuck hitting them on pray

But if ur on lunars I guess u can play the mind game that u only rly pray range, bait them to hally you and veng/spec

[west bough]

oh true, didn't think of that. was too busy brewing up lmfao but I definitely should've tried to bait a hally into veng+spec on range pray

[brazen fox]

Esp with suffering

And webweaver they’ll drop their hp

Will be nice

[west bough]

oh yeah. one of the fights was at wildy agility in bowfa+crystal, that one I tried to outlast but it didn't work out. the other fight was at revs, but he was hella careful tbh, started praying range the nanosecond I fought back and camped high hp. specced him with ags after a decent webweaver hit but hit like a 30. tanked the half tb though so it was fine

might experiment with bringing vw+ags, might have to drop the suff for ddef/dfs but I'll see what I settle on

[brazen fox]

If you don’t mind a bit more risk you can parch your defender and take it

If you’re able to tank half tb it you should still run a tidy profit from killing revs themselves

If ur below lvl 20 wildy u keep ur def but personally i wasnt going to risk getting stacked before I ran south 🤣

[west bough]

I'll think about it, the extra 1m+ risk is a bit spooky. I'll see if I can consistently tank first before deciding ig

[west bough]

oh yeah for sure not going to risk that lmao, I'm not getting ddef again...

[brazen fox]

U don’t have to risk it anyways, still good without defender

Pretty sure Oda died for almost 1b to a no defender vw anti

[west bough]

jesus, what was he risking even? that's nuts

but yeah I'll defo try no defender first

[brazen fox]

Everything

Treads no prot item as well

Guy had defender but salve ammy and no nezzy 🤣

[west bough]

that's INSANE

[brazen fox]

Man had rng of the gods but he also had the anti down to a SCIENCE

The fake afk -> walk to stairs -> “misclick” to attack -> walk stairs -> “misclick” again -> oda now killable -> spec veng

[minor aspen]

Where did they post/write that? Gotta be a detective to find info around here

[west bough]

for sure, the max webweaver on his smite into veng+max vw is diabolical

[inner dew]

reddit comment

[minor aspen]

I quit Reddit ☠️ hate that place

[west bough]

oh on another note, is spec bar objectively better than spec orb now that both can be used in pvp? I'm more used to spec orb from PvM but I can try to learn bar for PKing

[inner dew]

just based on if u want to put weapons at top or toward bottom of invy

since u should already have f keys

[west bough]

I'm defo more used to top of invy from PvM but I guess bottom has the advantage of being near the prayers

[west bough]

imagine no fkeys pking

[forest kraken]

It’s whatever you’re more used to

Realistically using the bottom spec bar gives you no advantage over spec orb

[inner dew]

if ur only one style in bh/pvp world i guess its doable with no big downside

[west bough]

it's closer to veng and piety ig but yeah other than that

[west bough]

doable but probably miserable

[tropic root]

Whoa when did they change that :0

[west bough]

~3 years ago?

[wide crater]

User preference plays a huge role but for spec it is absolutely better becsuse theres no mouse movement. Youre not gonna 1t spec with orb. I top switch too and only bottom switch spec wep

[west bough]

ohhh hmm okay. sounds like it's worth practicing with the spec bar more then

[wide crater]

Just dont be me. Ags,f4 click auto retaliate instead of spec bar, die

[brazen fox]

IMO yes because less mouse movement and bigger target so less misclicks but you can definitely use the orb if you prefer that

Port used spec bar in his no overheads Colo vid for example

[brazen fox]

Happens to the best of us 😂 or the classic press fkey before u click ags and staff spec

[west bough]

gotcha. I'll try to practice spec bar, sounds like it might be useful for PvM too anyways

[brazen fox]

Yeah I stopped trying to use spec orb bcos resizable means if I misclick I’m gonna run all over the place but there’s some very good players that use orb

U can do both

[tropic root]

I use both

[brazen fox]

Same as fixed vs resizable, just preference

Damn

[tropic root]

I use spec orb when I'm being lazy or I don't need to focus as much

Spec bar 100% if I'm trying to do some kinda combo, or be fast, or if I'm juggling Prayers

[west bough]

why tf does teleblock not wear off if my opponent left the wildy

[brazen fox]

Just log out and back in

[west bough]

yeah ik, it's just dumb

if someone dclaws me and tps out logically it should remove my tb, but ig logging in/out works fine

[minor aspen]

If you want to watch a good pker who uses orb spec: nishftw on yt/twitch
Just to say it’s fine either way

[minor aspen]

heres a timestamp link to a fight where he uses orb spec. You can also see he does top switches. If you watch the whole video you will also see that he does spec bar too in other situations(clip after).
https://youtu.be/ds1BwciBjFM?t=1233

[west bough]

thanks! will give it a watch

[west bough]

for rev caves pking, how much better is the 2nd setup than the first? (and/or is there anything you'd change for either?) right is about 3.5m riskier and I'm trying to figure out if that risk is worth it or not. ik I can try to catch an entangle and log if a fight is going bad but there's always the chance of dying still

[naive ore]

i think mage arena 2 cape is way too big risk increase since have to Trouver parchment it which costs 1.4m. could get same stat increase from bloodbark top and bottom for a lot cheaper

[west bough]

can't you rebuy it for like, 250k from perdu?

[naive ore]

oh right its available from perdu then it is about same as bloodbark

[west bough]

yeah it's not that bad

most of the increased risk is the mystic smoke staff

[winged thorn]

You’ve got more dps thanks to your stick, crossbow, & tome.
Maybe test it out & see if you can get kills with th cheaper set? You’re gonna find that time to kill wil likely be longer with the rune crossbow setup

Ma2 cape is always worth the risk if you are in singles btw

[west bough]

will swap to it on the cheaper set then. I'm testing the cheaper set rn and it's not the worst overall but the mage is definitely awful to say the least

rcb hard carries and if they have pray range up I sort of have to hope for a bolt proc

[winged thorn]

Maybe test occult for the mage switch? Not as expensive as the staff & gives mage str

But I could be steering you wrong there, singles is a bit personal preference if you’re not in meta max

[west bough]

oh true I might try the occult, 5% mage might be good enough to take. I could also take the tome without the mystic smoke staff, which is substantially less risky but might be quite good

lots of variations to try out ig

also didn't realize this until now but tome of fire is 50% damage while tome of water is only 20% but does both acc and damage + affects entangle

fire is for sure better but also twice as expensive

[forest kraken]

what

why would you trouver ma2 cape you can buy it from perdu for like 100k

[forest kraken]

and I'd be surprised if you can kill a naked bot with this gear

[west bough]

surprisingly I've pked a couple m with the cheap setup already. granted they were all completely clueless pvmers, and the gear is undoubtedly dogshit

I splashed 5 tbs in a row just a few mins ago

[granite sphinx]

Sucks how good the bots are now 😭

[west bough]

most of the melee guys in tank gear I don't even bother tbing because I know I can't touch them

[winged thorn]

Even in your upgraded setup it probably wouldn’t be worth trying them

Occasionally you’d catch one half sups but idk if worth

I’m talking the full torag bastards

[west bough]

yeah for sure. there's nothing in the upgraded setup that'll let me punch through full barrows gear

I tbed one dude before looking closely at his gear (full barrows), just said "oh actually nvm lmao" and hopped

[forest kraken]

tbh to kill most people in rev cave these days you need to be 1t switching and a good variety of KO. you're probably beter off bringing an anti pk setup and just farming revs if you cant afford a decent pk setup

[west bough]

yeah that's what I was doing earlier but it was pretty slow going, wasn't attacked much and I got a little bored so I decided to just go kill some people for fun

[forest kraken]

if ur not getting attacked much with craws at quads youre looking at like 10m+ per hour

happy days, surely?

even mroe if ur bringing a resupply alt

[west bough]

wait, 10m/h? is anything in the caves that good?

I was doing orks and those have to be 3m/h or less

[forest kraken]

theyre way worse than quds

quads

[west bough]

I'll have to try quads, but 10m/h sounds insanely high

[forest kraken]

maybe thats a little high yeah

probably closer to 6-7m

[west bough]

probably less since unskull, but anything north of 5m would be worth doing straight-up

[naive ore]

now they even giving pvp related opinion polls, someone must have gone crazy at jagex

oh its not opinion poll just blog about future qol updates and lms and trouver parchment is part of it

[queen stone]

LMS shop nuked

[naive ore]

fire cape, assembler, all defenders, ma2 cape now dont need trouver parchment. they just break even in deep wildy. Non combat related untradables like graceful never lost in wilderness

will lms even have any rewards in shop after that lmao

at least ironman no longer "forced" to do lms like they say they are. 400-500k gp/h in rune arrows was force interaction for them

nvm rune arrows stayed in shop

[west bough]

wait what is trouver parch even for then

[naive ore]

infernal cape, void armor, quiver. whatever jagex categorize high impact in combat

i can copy whole list i guess

Void melee helm
Void mage helm
Void ranger helm
Void knight top
Elite void top
Void knight robe
Elite void robe
Void knight gloves
Infernal max cape
Infernal cape
Blood ancient sceptre
Ice ancient sceptre
Smoke ancient sceptre
Shadow ancient sceptre
Fighter torso
Rune pouch
Divine rune pouch
Dizana's quiver
Blessed Dizana's quiver
Dizana's max cape

[west bough]

oh interesting

[languid oracle]

You need 1 per "high value" untradeable item, but only ever the 1

I'm curious what price they'll end up at

[naive ore]

yeah using trouver parch on it makes it permanently protected

[west bough]

huh

interesting

[naive ore]

still 500k repair cost but no longer the extra 1m cost for new trouver parch

so lowering risk, deleting less gp from game. If someone kills you they get same amount still

[winged thorn]

Don’t really understand keeping the other barb outfit pieces as low tier & torso as high tier

[west bough]

this is being polled? wonder if it'll pass

[winged thorn]

Nope, wildy changes don’t get polled

[naive ore]

torso has melee str i guess that is why

[winged thorn]

Likely already in game or happening soon

[west bough]

oh

[proven glacier]

big text on the newspost

[west bough]

my bad I haven't read it yet I'm just reading disc lol

[naive ore]

that is future qol update, pvp/botting related are categorized integrity

[granite sphinx]

Roq keeping an eye on pvpcord even since leaving jagex ❤️

[naive ore]

Also, allow additional rolls for extra ore on Mining success scaling with Wilderness Diary tier as follows:
Wilderness Medium Diary - Chance to receive up to 2 Runite Ore per successful Mining action.
Wilderness Hard Diary - Chance to receive up to 3 Runite Ore per successful Mining action.
Wilderness Elite Diary - Chance to receive up to 4 Runite Ore per successful Mining action.

wilderness runite rocks going to be highly contested if that passes

[granite sphinx]

Eh idk if that’s entirely true. Even if you got four ore on EVERY mine, how much gp/h would you actually make?

[naive ore]

actually not sure if tht is only the runite golem in wildereness resource area or all rocks

[proven glacier]

Wouldnt go that far, i browse the discord as a whole but dont often jump in so much.

[granite sphinx]

That’s fair, I figure you’d probably be around but few/none choose to join us in this channel

[proven glacier]

i have zero skin in the game now. just an opinion. But its always worth pointing people to read the newspost for themselves 😛

[winged thorn]

RIP Gamer

Maybe one day

[tropic root]

I keep seeing some dude in voids breakdancing at the GE and I have no idea what he's doing

Support new trouver pouchment system, now is the time PvP peeps :D

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1484641654508879983

[naive ore]

So only things that will be left in lms shop are rune arrows, dragonstone bolts, blighted supplies, halos, godsword special recolors, vls, decorative emblem, deadman cosmetics and untradable looting bag + rune pouch

bots can only make money from rune arrows, bolts or blighted supplies

those are just left there for ironman basically

[fast cradle]

just anotha day

anotha dolla

https://tenor.com/view/falafel1-icanhasfalafel-stare-eyebrows-gif-13410749

another day of amazing PvP #1022203837265756231 being ignored

[tropic root]

[granite sphinx]

It’s so funny, people mad about them moving lms clogs, mad about the parch system, others being mad at them for being mad

And then there’s me that’s mad cuz we still ain’t got no actual pvp update

[fast cradle]

ironic inded

the term pvp update is coined to anything non-pvm

not actual wilderness content

ll

soulwars update???? ITS PVP GUYS @@@

[granite sphinx]

PvP updates - so we removed some stuff from the minigame and are shifting how items work when u die

Like…. Okay? lol

[fast cradle]

soulwars/Pest control both need a buff ... if they got buffed people would complain

lmao

[tropic root]

who was mad about the parch change?

[fast cradle]

no doubt theres some invalids out there that are

[granite sphinx]

The guy with 66k parches stacked in his bank

[fast cradle]

lets be real

[granite sphinx]

Also some random guys I’ve never seen before got really mad and I couldn’t really understand why

[tropic root]

we already know they wanna get rid of parches completely

and that was originally a player suggestion too, from KempQ lol

[fast cradle]

just give me pre-eoc pvp at thisss point

[tropic root]

I mean yhes

I would so love that

[fast cradle]

soul split turmoil

[tropic root]

exactly

[fast cradle]

yes plz

the game actually needs gp sink skills like summoning as well.... inflation is insane

[tropic root]

I'm of the belief that they will never be able to design "side-grade" prayers to the normal prayer book. The normal prayers are already "perfect", so adding a demerit for a buff prayers will always just suck.

Like any less than 100% protection prayers just means you'll get chip damaged massively and sucks.

The only really good design direction was upgrades to prayers - Curses.

They're nostalgic and the design of every prayer was awesome with the sounds and animations and tie with Zaros.

[fast cradle]

imo...

they should have just made rigour/aug 1def

to begin with

wouldn't mind the return of SoA either, make it 99 magic spell on regs

make the staff a drop from a wildy boss

make the runes only obtainable in the wildy

you'd think creating common sense ideas like this would be rocket science eh @tropic root

[tropic root]

lol SoA was insane

[fast cradle]

yh

[tropic root]

well back then we had Soaking

what do you think of that ol' system?

[fast cradle]

i made like a bil a week with SoA on max tank

full virtus wolper

ect

tb + tangle with 6 brews

unkilable...

they could make summoning charms only dropped by wilderness slayer task kills

[tropic root]

I liked that summoning charms added valuable drops to certain monsters nobody normally fights

Though I don't know if summoning is the way to go for osrs

[fast cradle]

arguably the game needs summoning, make it wilderness only purposes

you make it purely for the wilderness

[tropic root]

lol hmmmmmmm that might see some trouble with the wider community

[fast cradle]

lots of tears

😄

summoning was always pvp content, why accomodate pvmers

in a game thats so easy

to do pvm

[tropic root]

summoning wasn't only pvp content

I mean, it was a massive game-changing skill addition for everything tbh

[fast cradle]

ye

[tropic root]

especially pak yaks

[fast cradle]

but in osrs it could be pvp content

yh I had 99sum in 2010

yak in OSRS would ruin alot of things

[tropic root]

I never got to play around with steel titans lol

[fast cradle]

you missed out

luring people on 124/137 and tb/bolas with steel titan.... broken af

[naive ore]

people want pest control to get xp lock so it is easier to make low hp pking account builds, Because all other "pvp" minigames got xp lock

[fast cradle]

good times

you dont need to get xp in PC

to get points

thats a personal choice.

I had a PC prod pure back in 0

[naive ore]

you can fail to keep activity up with only repairing, so they want to make it easier

[fast cradle]

7

wahh easy scape

big moan

you want a unique build you gotta slave

look at ppl sitting at that pump thing

10k an hr xp?

thats the pro/con to wanting a unique build

so simply make repairing more activity bar ... simple

jagex missing so many simple updates that require a 2minute job to fix

to make the overall game play better

the fact jagex neglected the simplest PvP related things that could make so much difference/improvements

is just bad management

[tropic root]

is difficult when they have to weigh a lot of things against polls vs integrity

[fast cradle]

true but at some point they just need to go rogue for the sake of the games future

[proven glacier]

Easy to say that when you dont see both sides of the equation.

Im not trying to be sarcastic on this bit, but it will def look that way: You can always be the change you want to see, theres plenty of open roles.

[fast cradle]

me and purespam were in talks with ash over pvp content in 2014

and pot up son

nothing happened

😄

12years of neglect

12years of poor game management

wheres the creativity in jagex, the game intelligence to understand what would be good content long term not just 1year hype

future proofing the game

[granite sphinx]

It’s stifled by the community his moving more and more away from PvP. The creativity is there you can see from dmm, but they won’t take a stand for the main game to really do anything to push for PvP updates

Since it’s unpopular on reddit

[fast cradle]

they just need to go rogue for the future of the game

whats always made jagex money and PR .... wilderness PvP content

you could go wayyy back to 3---hit----u

[river glen]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/-hit

[fast cradle]

and other RSC pures

they created viewership

FREE PR.

mahatma .. bwuk im pb ... uaex vjad ... bonesawpk

list goes on

oh well jagex will never learn till its too late

[tropic root]

Hey Roq, got any advice for someone who wants to apply and has a strong interest mostly in PvP? 😄

[fast cradle]

^^^

fire away

[tropic root]

(I'd love to direct message about it)

[fast cradle]

I work in management and cant wrap my head around how badly managed PvP is within this game.

its baffling

[tropic root]

I can only imagine it's difficult with polls being a thing

[proven glacier]

As with any development studio you dont get to choose what you explicitly work on but but explaining the skills & knowledge you bring is important.
Also applying for jobs youre actually qualified for and understanding the skills required.

Are you a developer? theres a few development roles up. Otherwise QA is a good starting point in the industry.

Paying attention to the job being requested and understanding what that may entail before tailoring your CV and cover letter is always important.

[fast cradle]

a game made on the foundations of PvP .... yet PvP is ignored

the 5 P's

proper planning prevents P-poor performance

😄

[tropic root]

I will have to give it a shot some time, I appreciate it Roq!

[whole grove]

Can someone explain the gear pieces here to me?

What slots is he swapping, how many pieces are melee/range/magic?

I only see the two spec wep bottom left but I don’t understand the rest

[fast cradle]

sadly I'm up north, family property ect @proven glacier moving to cambridge wouldn't be great logistics

I don't think jagex employ remote/hybrid?

[proven glacier]

Depends on the role a little I think but it’s been majority hybrid/remote since 2020.

[fast cradle]

quite crazy just realized we spoke way back in 2019

wheres the time gone

Fair, maybe ill have a look in future if the pay package would be worth.

[tropic root]

U.S. citizen here haha. I saw the hiring page asks a requirement of being willing to move in. Hmm.

[fast cradle]

rip

[tropic root]

Well nah, they would just have to sponsor me for a skilled worker visa, if I'm accepted

Unless I could get remote

[fast cradle]

tough one leaving family though

[tropic root]

Indeed

[fast cradle]

is what i mean

whole new life

no support network there

[west bough]

he's swapping body/legs/weapon/shield/ring. if you freeze at about 0:03 his top 2 items under the brew are an elidinis ward (f) (mage shield) and toxic staff of the dead (mage weapon). then below those 2 are a virtus robe top (mage top) and dragonfire shield (melee+tank shield). then virtus bottom (mage bottom) and noxious halberd (melee weapon). then you have the spec weapons, a gmaul, ags, voidwaker. then an ultor ring as a melee ring switch. what he has on is neitiznot faceguard (melee helm), crystal top+bottom (range top+bottom), bowfa (range weapon), infernal cape (melee cape) and avernic treads (tribrid boots)

[fast cradle]

/v ./ #a'/

[minor aspen]

i like the ability to get blighted surges from lms

[wide crater]

Did that get added with this update?!

[minor aspen]

no its proposed and will be polled

[jade ledge]

hello skillcord

[wide crater]

Would be incredible but also practically kill arena

[naive ore]

i wonder if pkers will be happy or angry that ironman can take ice sceptres to wilderness with 500k risk from trouver parch after that change

[tropic root]

arena is already dead lol

like there are people there, but constant instant match disconnects

[naive ore]

people instantly leaving are people going for imbue scrolls

its meta place to get them but insta leave is part of strategy

[jade ledge]

Thanks to arena we can grind imbues without nmz

🙏

15 mins max

[winged thorn]

I wanna use it too wtf lol

[minor aspen]

when's the last time you went to arena? heheh

[naive ore]

i might need to do lms on ironman for 4 more trouver parchments since no idea how easy they would be to get from bounty hunter and in wilderness slayer they are mega rares

[winged thorn]

R they fr rare like that? I’ve gotten 6 in 1 hellhound task b4

[naive ore]

1/2k for most most

oh 1/1200-1/1800

[winged thorn]

Don’t get me wrong, 6 in 1 task seems broken

Curious if I had spent all my rng tho & that’s why I’m dry on Callisto per

[naive ore]

each drop is 2x parchments at least

[brazen fox]

We already could wym

I parch stuff on my iron

Sometimes I pk on my iron ye

[naive ore]

yes but after that update goes live you dont need to get new parchment. its permanently applied

[brazen fox]

Ye not sure why parch price is gonna be 50-67% off

[naive ore]

still same repair cost but parchment itself will crash hard, i wonder how it will effect bounty hunter crate drop value though

or maybe its just in the shop instead of crate

[winged thorn]

Np I’m sure anything that’s broken will get fixed 2 years from now

[naive ore]

removed bots from lms just to bring them into bounty hunter

[winged thorn]

Highly doubt that tbh

But would be very funny

[wide crater]

Exactly, but surge sacs arw the only reason i can think of. Since imbues take all of 5 minutes

[wide crater]

How is this going to affect the cost of the kill? Do pkers still get coins or is it now just no profit for them?

[minor aspen]

they are getting the same amount of gp from what i understand

[naive ore]

killer gets same amount and player dying has to pay same repair fee. Only difference is that they do not have to reapply trouver parchment

well fire cape and "lower" tier items killer gets the normal repair fee (without trouver parchment, 20 wildy version) so for some items its reduced reward

So after change is applied players can use fire cape in deep wildy with 150k repair fee

[golden lichen]

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[granite sphinx]

Idk my banks like 12-14b or so like 90% from pvp over many years

Granted most of that has been skull tricking in the previous two years, prob 10b worth

[golden lichen]

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[winged thorn]

Start small & work bigger imo. PvP can be a sink when you are learning

[golden lichen]

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[latent relic]

Start with something like blood bark top and bottom, neitz helm, spirit shield, Ahrims staff, dboots, DCB, blessed dhide body, chaps, ring of shadows, barrows gloves, ma2 cape, voidwaker or ags

[latent relic]

If you have it a parched ancient ice sceptre is really good staff for the price

[minor aspen]

cool staff, but i can't be arsed bossing

idk why they don't make it tradeable or somthin

[brazen fox]

Thoroughly unenjoyable to get but it’s really good

Esp if parches become half price

Well 1/3rd price

[next sequoia]

Ok. Adding surge sacks and imbue scrolls to LMS will kill pvp arena completely (Kinda funny).
Removing all LMS reward shop items to BH will kill LMS activity, but people will still go there for ring imbue scrolls/surge sacks.

I think it might kill LMS too?... Monetary gain is gone, collection logs are gone. Do people only need 1 imbue scroll or will have to keep coming back to LMS after dying for it in pvp?

[brazen fox]

LMS will die
Arena is dead
Bh will die bcos bots will farm peoples bank

[next sequoia]

Very interesting

[brazen fox]

Only need 1 imbue

[next sequoia]

Yeah it will simultaneously kill both minigames. Nice

[brazen fox]

It’ll only be ironmen getting one rune pouch and imbue, it’ll be dead and the only ppl playing will have never pvp’d before

No gp incentive to go and decent & mid players stop going bcos it’s not fun to stomp a guy that doesn’t know that 40hp is bad spot to be in

[naive ore]

lms probably wont be fastest way for imbue so people will still go to duel arena. I think imbued scroll hunters being in duel arena hurts the minigame more than it helps though

[brazen fox]

Gf pvp scene

[naive ore]

everyone exiting fight in 1 tick isnt good for duel arena

mage training arena is 1.5hours for rune pouch so i think that is better than lms

most ironman doing lms were there just for rune arrows, which havent been removed

[golden lichen]

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[whole grove]

Thanks a lot for explaining! Appreciate it

[fringe fjord]

what do you mean this is peak

[latent relic]

75 att 75 def 99str 99mage 99 range 77 prayer

If you want a med

Personally though if it's your only account get maxed combat stats

[tropic latch]

Hey scot

Any suggestions to wear a gear to spot against mage attacks ? In bh

Got 75 def

[brazen fox]

No one does ranked anyway

It’s only for ppl getting imbue and that’s fine

[wide crater]

Literally my exact setup but with ice sceptre

[brazen fox]

Granite shield unholy book supremacy

[wide crater]

Which i read the following comment 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

My anti setup tho is ridiculous 😂

[latent relic]

Yeah it's a standard blood bark singles set

[wide crater]

I be switching shit sometimes till i die stupidly

[latent relic]

I don't think it's worth giving up the inventory space for it

[whole grove]

If I’m using mostly black dragon hide chaps for melee and range (low def pure), is there a need to swap out the black body plate for something like the ranger top?

I’m watching basic PvP guides and some tips were “keep your armor on keep your def gear worn”

So what is the most critical gear swap, is it magic? Because you’ll miss magic if you don’t have the magic acc

That’s what I gathered from reading a lot here

[naive ore]

the guide either means you swap to tank gear after you attack and back to your damage gear for your attack or tank gear on until you get opportunity to do what you were trying to do like waiting for correct freeze timing for escape.

Same with if you are trying to heal you would put best defensive gear on and if its brews you would range them back (or use lower requirement spell) while brewing if you cannot step under them

[whole grove]

The guide was saying you’re noob and gonna make mistakes so err on the side of using def gear rather than robes to not die as easily

When learning to prayer prot swap etc

But I understand it’s not good

Because you’ll miss your magic attacks

Is it less of an issue with range attacks wearing melee armor? Or is it just as critical

[naive ore]

its harder for pures since almost all your gear is equal to robes, you would still want as high defence as possible when you are not hitting opponent ideally

[whole grove]

Ya I understand it weighs less for pures, but learning in general makes sense

Just default to defense gear

I’m 13 def so I have a black platebody at least

[naive ore]

"tank" gear when doing anything that is not hitting opponent, once you get good enough you can also swap to defence gear between your own attacks

[whole grove]

Thank you I get it now, I’ll do that and learn

For range and magic, do BOTH need to remove tank gear when attacking? Or should I only swap for magic

I know it’s bis to swap

But I mean is range less likely to miss than magic or is it just as bad

[naive ore]

most people dont bring melee tank top since it loses 1 inv slot and cannot hit back with mage/range while it is equipped

[whole grove]

So you’re saying it’s bad for both

Basically use mage top for range and magic

Is that the best practice

Or even for non pures? I guess that’d be like mixed or dragon hide ?

[naive ore]

for non pures it would be your range gear in general (sometimes chaps replaced with stuff like torag legs or rune legs for range gear), until you try to freeze opponent or mage your opponent. havent participated in much pure pvp outside few lms games so cannot really say accurately about

[whole grove]

Gotcha so it seem like

Tank/melee def gear is not really used

Just mostly range gear

Then robes to hit then back to range gear

[atomic tulip]

is there just no boots you can use on max/med in lms now?

says i cant equip the avernic treads

why are they even there 💀

[naive ore]

wait you cannot re-equip them after you take them off?

[naive ore]

oh both account types were 75 def before so maybe they forgot to change it in layout selection.

need to make bug report about it i guess

yeah i just went to test and you cannot equip them if you remove them from boots slot, gg

i dont think it is even defence requirement. they just forgot to update the gear slots to allow it on max/med

[atomic tulip]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reacts-flightreacts-geeked-EQm0NAJiGM5rTmofsp

thrilling, ty!

[naive ore]

can you equip them inside lms? that could be temporary fix

[atomic tulip]

nah didnt try yet ngl

didnt get too lol

[naive ore]

can equip in lms match at least

good thing you have empty inventory slots, just annoying to equip them at start of every match with max/med

[inner dew]

another pvp update 😲

must be a good update considering mostly just irons complaining about it

[open grove]

mehh

it's a pretty poor one

it's just taking the worst aspect from every activity and making it worse

[winged thorn]

Can’t even consider it a pvp update lol

[mortal night]

is there a runelite plugin that actively tracks clicks (inputs) per second for fights? shows live click speed like tracking wpm

[winged thorn]

While you’re a pure your tank bonus is pretty poo even at 13 def; not worth the extra switch 99% of the time. Once you get comfy & you wanna fk around, no problem.
But your “tank” gear as a pure would be black d hide chaps & staff equipped. That’s your tankiest form as a pure.
While you’re learning just rock a simple 2 way switch for your mage & range. Always wear your ghostly robe top & switch chaps/crossbow & ancient stick & ghostly bottoms

[winged thorn]

Unsure about that one, I just know of the PvP tracker that shows damage dealt/deserved & correct prayers etc

[next sequoia]

https://gyazo.com/23372fe553ac8b776ad499096d9c36fc

painful drop. lol

[whole grove]

Thanks for the guidance and tips, two way just means two pieces right? No melee weapon? What’s the flowchart, run in to range/magic and only use melee to spec/KO, is that right?

Does ancient stick give extra def or something

[low mesa]

Been debating this but with 82 attack and 80 defense I still can hit most in rev caves/multi while still being able to do all PvM content

Currently using AGS as my follow up weapon after voidwaker/gmaul spec. How much of an improvement is it to use nox Hali and will it make a big difference in my dps ? AGS usually secures the kill with 40+ smacks

For reference have dfs, eclipse top, blood moon tassets, serp helm, Aranea and fury

[brazen fox]

+8 mage bonus is big

[whole grove]

If you have the “Right-click to attack players” option, with skull prevention on, do you have to still right click to hit them? Basically it makes it harder to defend yourself right ?

With skull prevention on can I just change it to left click or what’s optimal

[west bough]

yes you can change it to left click with skull prevention on, it'll prevent you from attacking players if it'd skull you but allow you to retaliate against players that've attacked you

[whole grove]

Thanks a lot!

[brazen fox]

Yes all staves give defensive bonuses 🙂

[latent relic]

Should specify I meant in the context of someone new looking for a setup

Minimize switches and an extra brew or hard food

[winged thorn]

Ope, definitely bring a spec weapon & If you’re 60 atk might as well bring a d scim if you’d like
I like to have both when pking on 60 atk

[west bough]

I've seen a tip to turn off vial smashing for pking/anti-pking, what's up with that? is it just to preserve invy layout?

also noticed some pkers seem to like to have it off

[minor aspen]

Yes

[latent relic]

Top switch you turn it off, mid or bottom turn it on

[latent relic]

If you can stomach it, colossal blade is a really good 60 attack wack. Once you run out of spec you can combo a range/mage hit into a blade wack. Also arkan blade spec is a decent spec and wack option instead of dscim. Can utilize the burn with recoil damage to keep them eating and their health in KO range

It's kind of like a baby voidwaker

[next leaf]

Hello, I’m a new PvP player. I mainly PK in BH and at GE where there’s no gear or prayer switching.

I wanted to ask — what is the current situation with PvP cheaters? Are there a lot of them right now? Is it still worth learning PK?

Also, how can you tell if someone is cheating? I’ve seen some players at GE warning others about PvP cheat client users and telling people to avoid them.

Is it worth taking risk fights with other players, or is there a high chance they are cheating?

What’s your opinion on the current state of PvP?

[winged thorn]

I think cheaters in tribrid are easier to spot than BH cheaters. Tribrid NH cheaters are too perfect all the time whereas people who cheat in BH / PvP worlds cheat with specs / food combos. I personally don’t do enough BH to say “this is how you spot a cheater.”
I personally wouldn’t do risk fights against a random player. I’d try to find a way to verify they’re legit before engaging in anything like that

[granite sphinx]

current state of pvp is god awful lol, just no updates/so few people around anymore. That being said I dont think cheaters are actually all that prevalent right now. In NH at least, if people are constantly flying around the map, 1way 5 ticking every barrage while moving etc, and doing something like 1tick speccing from a weapon that has no spec bar then its LIKELY theyre cheating, or could just be a monster

[winged thorn]

Some people are really good at this game too, some folks you may think are cheating may have years of experience doing their favorite combo & are just damn right good

[granite sphinx]

No real surefire way to tell but its a combination of a lot of this thing

[next leaf]

Maybe is there any kind of pvp cheater list where you can check a username and see if they’re cheating? Like, has anyone made a list or database of known cheaters so you know who to avoid?

[granite sphinx]

nah, jmods these days are generally pretty good about banning cheaters, i think manked requires like - clip/name of person/world/general time of clip

and he gets them banned reasonably quickly if theyre actually cheating

id say like, if you're getting into pvp, cheaters are legit the least of your worries

plus if someone feels too strong to you, you probably want to freeze log anyway

[next leaf]

Then why do some players spam at GE with a player’s username saying they use a cheat client and to avoid them?
Whats the point of doing that if they could just send a video or report it to moderators and get them banned? that mean moderators don’t always ban them, and players end up warning each other instead?

[minor aspen]

People just be spamming these days it they’re salty 😆

[fringe fjord]

Those accounts are ran by the same raggers you see at rimmy portal

[granite sphinx]

oh on pvp worlds? i really have no idea i dont really pk on pvp worlds ever

im just a wildy person

[naive ore]

those are people setting up bots to ruin someone's reputation not even actual cheaters in most cases. Like lurers will setup bots to tarnish reputation if someone tries to warn potential targets

[next leaf]

Do you have any other tips on how to spot a cheater in PvP worlds where there’s no gear or prayer switching? If someone does everything perfectly without mistakes, Or are there any other signs to look for?

Aside from just avoiding Venezuelan PKers

[latent relic]

Like Teal mentioned it's easier to spot in an NH fight. I'd avoid big risk fights with randoms, best to wait until you've done a lower risk fight first. Personally I don't risk fight at all because of the clienters. NHing there is always a way to exit if I think someone is cheating. Same with BH

[latent relic]

If someone always eats or specs at the same HP thresholds.

Typically in a PvP worlds fight or BH they will cheat with auto eats and specs depending on their HP for eating and your HP for specing

[granite sphinx]

extroardinarily hard to tell, honestly in pvp worlds may be nearly impossible these days with how good people are there

[naive ore]

in pvp world there are also people who hop on account after someone less skilled gets opponents trust for large risk fight

[latent relic]

You'd tell from noticing a trend that feels automated. At the end of the day it matters less to you if they actually are or not and more about do you feel like they are. If you feel like they are just don't fight them. Can report and let jagex verify

It's not our job to verify someone is cheating or not but the decision to fight is up to you

[next leaf]

Alright, thanks for the answers guys!

[tropic root]

I see you @next sequoia

[next sequoia]

Hello!

[jade ledge]

Ty, added to my raglist

[granite sphinx]

jagex hosts pvp event - the setup

[next sequoia]

PVP J mod event, everyone pull up.

520 Fight pits.

[whole grove]

What does this mean, do you have prizes

[next sequoia]

No, just a fun community event

[whole grove]

I am away from pc, have fun, wish to join next time

[naive ore]

They updated fight pits to spawn more mobs faster so they wanted to show it in event

[tropic root]

wait that's normal? lol

[naive ore]

After last month fight pits can even spawn jads

[next sequoia]

Yeah, new mobs can spawn, mages and jads.

[naive ore]

7.5min magers spawn, 9.5min jads spawn

11.5min we got dmm gas releases if jads were not enough

[brazen fox]

how are ppl having fun doing that

honestly

🤣

[granite sphinx]

idk man i watched 1 round and closed stream lol

so boring

like the fact that dev time got spent doing those tweaks vs literally anything else in the game is kinda mind boggling

[brazen fox]

Soul wars ely masori avatar rusher vibes

[granite sphinx]

it just feels like, if you're gonna make changes to the minigame, maybe make changes that might make people more likely to play it. This is just making changes thatll effect the event today, then nobody ever again is doin fight pits except for their diary cuz of these changes lol

[jade ledge]

Misses jug of wine

[granite sphinx]

irl - what it takes to enjoy pvp these days sadly

[jade ledge]

Thx for the smile

[glass citrus]

hi just had a question so i built an account as a pure obby mauler i have 99 strength, 13 prayer and 87 hp with level 56 combat rest stats are really low, is there a viable build for me for combat at this level or do i need to level up something else like range or magic to make it viable?

[brazen fox]

My boy pures has been pking on obbies for years, his disc is obbypures am sure he could help

[glass citrus]

Oh that’d be awesome thank you for the reference 😁

[winged thorn]

“We’re gonna poll everything!” backfires again

[granite sphinx]

i actually truly cant get over that guy pointing out they cancelled the first 3 versions of BH cuz they got botted, shoved rewards in LMS, now are moving them back to BH due to botting

thats living rent free in my head

[winged thorn]

& then had the audacity to say bh is harder to bot l0l

[granite sphinx]

yeah

that was maybe the best post ive ever seen in this disc... idk how the irony got past me when i read it myself the first time

[winged thorn]

I sometimes think the same can be said about the pvmers who recoil at multi revs. I really doubt any of them engaged with the content - I feel like Jagex is at the same point

[granite sphinx]

yeah i do think jagex as a company is moving in the direction more and more of they are just scared of the wildy and seemingly have never been there lol

[winged thorn]

Like who is still at the company when it was pumping out “good” pvp updates? Mod ash probably the most tenured Mod & idk if he’s ever pvp’d lol

Then you got manked (who knows how long he’s gonna be around)

Like that guy pk’d in the old wildy

But once he moves on, what’s left?

[brazen fox]

I think the afk bots are harder to detect for them or something but why not simply… not give points for afking

[granite sphinx]

yeah manked generally knows whats going on, but im pretty sure theyre just not gonna let him do what needs to be done

because the "data" points elsewhere

maybe they should relook at the data from pre-pj timer to now

[winged thorn]

I agree. & I think you said it best: jagex as a company is moving in the direction more and more of they are just scared of the wildy and seemingly have never been there lol

It’s sad

Instead of safe zone minigames GO TO WILD

Rant over Ty

[brazen fox]

Mfker when u just gna join agility fc we do the only bh world pk left 😂

[granite sphinx]

best we can do is another safe minigame

[granite sphinx]

its just TOO big for my liking

[brazen fox]

Hope u don’t mind fighting snakeskin

[granite sphinx]

i pked in like 4-6 man

usually

[brazen fox]

Ye that’s fair

[granite sphinx]

def wasnt in snakeskin rag lol

thats what i was tryina avoid

[brazen fox]

Ye it’s cringe

Had the pleasure of fighting some 1 itemers and snakeskin crystal bowers today

[granite sphinx]

https://klipy.com/gifs/spencerlawrence

yeah im good on that

[brazen fox]

What % of lmsers u reckon go wildy

If it’s removed

Maybe like 5%

Idk I feel like not enough r gna go

But if everyone went into wildy instead then we’d be cooking

[granite sphinx]

Sub 1% of people that didn’t already go to the Wildy

Like if they were exclusively lms players before they aren’t heading to the Wildy now lol

[brazen fox]

Ye that’s what am worried about

PvP might die imo

It’s not wildy but at least u can fight ppl reliably there

And make a lil gp

[granite sphinx]

It kinda already is dead

[minor aspen]

boys better watch out im out here cursing - 1 def beware

[jade ledge]

your beard is sharper than your dagger

[minor aspen]

zew zew

[brazen fox]

Head shake emote about to go hard

[brazen fox]

My boy bonded up for the lms updates how do I tell him to enjoy it while it lasts 😭

[restive siren]

Hello 😇

[glass citrus]

hiya man

[brazen fox]

O shi

[minor aspen]

what is "our den"?

[brazen fox]

They an fc for Callisto

[minor aspen]

an iron man i ran into who was killing rev orks, i was like wtf man why u here with an MSB.

he said he was hunting a craws bow for levi T_T

[brazen fox]

Bro I think that guy was in here yesterday

🤣

[latent relic]

The proposed changes to LMS rewards is the wrong approach imo. Like the changes to untradeables though

[open grove]

i wish they would commit to making it a gp sink

[minor aspen]

how could lms be gold sink? like costs gp to play?

[open grove]

making broken/mangled items not pay out the entire sum to a pker

that's what pissed me off most about trouvers

[minor aspen]

oh i thought u were talking about LMS

isn't it still a gp sink without trouvers?

[open grove]

unless i've misread the blog they plan on having all the gp drop from mangled items

instead of just some

so u die with parched infernal and then the pker gets 500k, and you have to pay perdu 500k to repair

and it stays perma parched

[naive ore]

yes, person dying doesnt need to buy new parchment but the killer still gets exactly same money from high end items

things like fire cape do not need parchement anymore in deep wildy and its only 150k cost (normal repair)

[jade ledge]

So if you keep dying while a broken item (i.e. infernal) is in your invent, we can expect nothing to happen - right?

You drop nothing and the killer gets nothing

[naive ore]

hard to say blog isnt clear about if you can lose broken item but probably not since you cannot equip it

[jade ledge]

Perhaps not a realistic scenario, like why would you keep that item in your inventory if it has no use for example. Just thinking out loud.

[winged thorn]

i'd imagine it works the same as it does now: it deletes

[jade ledge]

But you parched it once and for all

[winged thorn]

broken items are funky tho

[naive ore]

this is only in deep wildy, even if item is parchmented it will do reduced repair cost below 20 wildy

[winged thorn]

if u die with a broken item in your invy it deletes (assuming it isnt protected)

[jade ledge]

The blog isnt clear about that

[naive ore]

In effect, what this means is that trying to enter the Wilderness with anything that needs protecting will warn you before doing so, and anything that's not giving you meaningful boosts in PvP activity

so it should be giving warning but not sure

[winged thorn]

this is in game right?

could test

[naive ore]

its not, future qol update after the non pvp parts poll

[jade ledge]

Yeah but isnt the point of "permanent" parchment you don't forget to do that + repair item? Or am I mistaken here

[naive ore]

point is that you wouldnt lose because you forget to parchment again. So hopefully couldnt lose if you forget to repair too

[jade ledge]

HA exactly

So from how I interpret the blog - you can bring all broken high tier (and/or lower) items die and keep them. Perhaps too optimistic here, cos as teal said spaghetti and so on

[snow atlas]

Imo if the trouver is gonna be permanent anyways just bin the system entirely

Broken system and repair fees are genuinely way more intuitive

[open grove]

would probably get too much mald from people abusing it for pvm

[snow atlas]

In what way though

[open grove]

trouvered items are kept on pvm death

to avoid paying fees

[snow atlas]

Ah i see

I thought you were talking some other wildy pvm thing i wasnt aware of

Idk we have ornament kits for that who cares

What even is a quivers death fee? Like 10k?

Not even 10k, 1k

I cant imagine a real use case where you plan on dying 500 times to make up that death fee

[brazen fox]

Legit make it 1m or more to parch and drop 500k

We already pay in excess of 1m

No one’s gna be mad

[open grove]

stuff like avernic or rune pouch

i remember when there was a bug that eould delete rune pouch if it went to a death chest

and they didn't refund them

[brazen fox]

Ye it was kinda nice for doom ngl

Not the void fees, the fact it all stayed equipped etc

[snow atlas]

This might sell me on convenience but really idk that im ever sending like multiple trips down without banking. I just go as deep as i can

Avernic has big value. Maybe relevant for colo or something in some setups

[naive ore]

i dont think you can parchment avernic after the change since its on the list of "lower" combat value items that dont need parchments

the repair fee is higher than parchment repair fee anyway though

[open grove]

what will happen to previously parched ones i wonder

i've had my avernic parched since the second i bought it

[minor aspen]

i hopped every world to check callisto to see if anything changed since update. only ran into 3-4 teams.

i guess all of the middle eastern gold farmers are off the clock and sleeping

[fast cradle]

😄

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[winged thorn]

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[west bough]

thoughts on something like this for wildy agility? I usually use a bowfa+crystal setup but a lot of people hop when they see me so I don't get many fights. obvious upgrade would be dcb + opals instead of rcb, but I'm not sure how worth it is since I'd be risking it + it might discourage people from fighting me. goal with this setup is mostly to outlast and KO with voidwaker when they're low. not sure if I should be bringing mage, since I'd need to drop ~3 brews to bring ancient staff + mystics for ice barrage. any changes/recommendations for the loadout would be appreciated!

[restive siren]

Try agility fc if you wanna run in a group for wilderness agility

[restive siren]

If you outlasting i would bring a dragon crossbow and i should bring magic if you running solo on the course aswell, to fight or escape

[restive siren]

A callisto fc we mainly do callisto but also other fun activitys sometimes

[winged thorn]

This is right along the lines of what I would use for wildy agility
Replace your str ammy with a glory, it’s tankier & more accurate

[plush bison]

This has probably been brought up but I just joined the server so here's my request

Why don't jagex create a 2006 pk server where f keys aren't allowed so we can bring back pking to life?

[west bough]

ah yeah I've heard of it, but I'd prefer to run solo and just fight PKers tbh

[west bough]

interesting. I'm not sure about dropping the brews but if I feel like I need mage I might give that a try, ty

[west bough]

cheers, thanks! I'll swap to a glory and give it a run

[winged thorn]

Defo hasn’t been brought up haha. We’re just in here yapping about PvP

[plush bison]

That's weird lol.. we need a 2006 pk server so noobs like me can pk

Nowadays pking is too OP

[winged thorn]

My initial thought is: other games have hotkeys & gamers use WASD to move; what’s the diff?

[restive siren]

Alot people also learnt pking with us in agility fc. Its a great way to start of with it. Doing alot of lms or just practice outside the course to pk is also a opinon

[restive siren]

Veng pking is more likely to stack your ops out. If you can make that work you could bring that, but you gotta know how to time your vengs then otherwise its pretty useless tbh

[west bough]

hmm, I'll see, I might try running with the fc sometime. it's just that I prefer the freedom to bring unskull gear while the fc requires that you bring skull gear is all

[west bough]

yeah, going to be using this as an opportunity to practice veng timings. I'll keep the mage switch in mind though, if I feel like I need it I'll drop a piece of food and 2 brews or something for the switch

[wide crater]

This is my setup, obviously much more risk but degearing is fine. I have only been killed twice in 3 levels gained but ive anti pkd SIGNIFICANTLY more than i lost

[west bough]

interesting, thank you! nice setup, looks like a lot of risk but as you said I can downgrade. I see that you've opted for the mage switch w/ barrages over venge, do you find that it's worth the reduced supplies?

seen a lot of anti-pkers with the ancient ice sceptre, is it that strong? could take it once the trouver parchment changes drop

[winged thorn]

That thing very strong. Longer freeze + accuracy. Defo worth the parch even before the changes go in affect👍

[winged thorn]

& id say likely yes: you’re able to freeze & log which makes for a much “easier” getaway: you can do so at any time really.

[west bough]

ok, interesting! freeze logging does sound nice especially if I'm losing a fight. wrt the sceptre, I guess parches have dropped in price, so I might give it a go, it'd be about ~1m of risk. I'll swap some supplies around and bring a small mage switch similar to what's seen above, probably mystics instead of bloodbark

[timid fossil]

they really need to do something about noxious halberd in lms, the venom is super annoying with 1 sanfew

[naive ore]

they did say they would bring it up with team so hopefully changed to poison or anti-venom added in next update

[west bough]

do we know when the trouver changes are hitting the game?

[timid fossil]

ah nicenice

[naive ore]

trouver changes probably coming after they poll the pvm stuff from blog. small chance they rush them out faster as "integrity"

[west bough]

ah, okay. might be a while then.

was sort of hoping it'd be soon but oh well

[restive siren]

The reason you have to skull is so everyone can help if we get hit our when a pker tries to escape who try to kill our runners

[restive siren]

Gl! If you really wanna learn veng timing im pretty sure alot people are willing to help you 🙂

[west bough]

oh yeah I totally get why, and if I run with the FC I'd bring skull gear 100%. just saying that I enjoy bringing 3-4 items and outgearing PKers is all

[winged thorn]

Anti venom would be nice & an extra restore would be nice

[wide crater]

I absolutely choose freezes. I have seeds as well so i can freeze dd seed dd and log if its a fight i cant win

[brazen fox]

Personally I’d drop a karam for another brew but it’s nice

Prob also drop an angler for book bcos dfs is -10 magic att

[wide crater]

Im adhd and zone out sometimes, i do 2 triples to save my ass when i ignore their spec lol. Will also bait it sometimes

[glass citrus]

what builds would people recommend for getting into pking

im down to grind a new acc into anything too

[forest kraken]

Learn on a med/main

[fast cradle]

evening

[glass citrus]

sorry should clarify did a bit of that was wondering the next step

[quasi parcel]

make a baby pure (just search baby pure on youtube) itll take you the basics of prayer switching eating etc while having pretty low risk

[winged thorn]

what are the stats on your "main" acc? pk ready? if not either grind those up or do the above and build a baby pure

people like baby pures bc they're cheap to stock gear on & quick-ish to build

[minor aspen]

yeah i would go with a 1 def pure, all around more fun, inexpensive. can do god spells n stuff

[granite sphinx]

anyone know the reason they decided to disable unskulling at lms, but kept unskulling via dying at galvek for like main accounts etc? Do we just hate pures that much where we gotta target them specifically for unskulling?

[brazen fox]

I think it was just too easy for ppl to unskull via lms to have their cake and eat it with skulling

They can still enter and die first fight anyway

[granite sphinx]

but like.... dying to galvek is the same thing lol

maybe they just didnt think about it? idk

[brazen fox]

Ye but it’s a bit more effort and has requirements

[jade ledge]

Saw more mains unskulling through lms, ezscape ig

[iron cobalt]

hi

[potent bridge]

curious on general opinion for obby mauler vs 1 def/60atk pure

[latent relic]

Not really the same bracket, if you want to NH I'd get 60 att

[hasty swallow]

@fading tiger If PvP and Bounty Hunter were to grow, the NEW player experience needs to be improved. The biggest reason new players try Bounty Hunter out and quit right away are 2 reasons:

1)Unskullers in max gear trying to smite them. Almost all the unskullers in max gear are there to smite new players +1 item(usually their voidwaker on mains).

2)Veterans who look up new players KC, see a low number, then go rogue and target/rag them on repeat to try and farm them for their sets, and maybe hope that they forget to have protect item on one of the times to take their +1 item.

The unskullers trying to smite new players issue can be addressed by making it so that up until you have 20-30 KC, you automatically protect 1 item even if you're smited.

The veterans who are 'bad actors' that rag new players, and even rag other experienced players issue can be addressed by adding a 'block list' to Bounty Hunter. Make it deductible from your coffers GP stash to block a player from attacking you, or even matching you as a target. Ragging at Bounty Hunter isn't enforced, so this would be a way to deter people from ragging, otherwise everyone will block them and they'll be left with no targets, or even fights for that matter due to their 'disruptive behavior.'

[west bough]

hey! was wondering if anyone has tips on what to do when you lose momentum in a fight. like if my opponent gets several good hits in a row or hits a spec off-prayer and my hp gets chunked, I find I'm stuck chugging brews for the next like, 30s while they're free to wail on me, which in turn causes me to need to chug more brews and the cycle kind of never ends. is there anything I can do, or is it a matter of just not losing momentum in the first place?

[next sequoia]

Put on tank gear, do NOT stay in magic robes. That's the worst possible thing you can do. Try to freeze them when u can and stand under them to heal up

[west bough]

gotcha. tank gear then freeze and dd to heal. gotta pay attention to my own freeze timer if I'm frozen as well I guess, and use the immunity to freeze them

[next sequoia]

Yeah. Even if you're in tank gear and bolting while you're healing up with brews, it makes them have to eat

[west bough]

makes sense. I think I'm also too conservative with my spec, I should probably use it when I see them get somewhat low to try to gain momentum instead of saving it purely for a KO

[brazen fox]

Yeah u can use spec when ur getting cooked to buy some time. I’d personally only use 1 tho. Also if u bring seeds u can freeze -> seed under -> eat up

Remember u can brew/restore every 3 ticks and they can only hit every 5 ticks usually so you shouldn’t get cooked that bad

Unless its generational rng

When ur NHing ur goal is to stay above 99hp as much as possible as well, so unless you’re cooking them then ur pretty much always brewing/restoring

[west bough]

wait how does that work? perfect timing as I just got cooked by a dude who seeded out of my freeze as I tried to log. also I know that you can seed walk, but isn't it a 50/50 on which seeds they have?

[brazen fox]

Let’s say they dd u and u catch freeze, they go out to the left and u can Mith seed

Sure they might seed away but seeds are a stall and that’s like 3 brew doses =48 hp you recovered

Also if u plant a seed under them they can no longer seed

U can either bait them onto a tile with flowers or u can seed under and walk under to log

[west bough]

ahhhhh. so if I'm trying to get the log it's freeze -> step under -> plant seed -> step back under and log?

gotta be fast though ig

[brazen fox]

Or u can go dd -> settings -> player attack right click only -> walk as they seed

Yh well u can also log normally depending where u try to log

Bcos they need to be able to seed out of 10 tile range of u

Or u can simply run away

[west bough]

won't running break the freeze

although I guess at agility I can take the plank and try to get gap

[brazen fox]

Yes but you’ll be >10 tiles away and if it’s your PID you’ll PID gap them anyway, and since ur at agi course there’s obstacles they need to path around

[brazen fox]

Bro if u make it to plank ur job is done

U can legit go up and down plank until you log

Also if u get to pipe with a few seconds before u log u can go into pipe

And spam logout while ur not attackable in there

[west bough]

ah, I didn't think of either of those things

that's smart

[brazen fox]

Yh it’s crazy easy to log at course

I found myself alone with like 30 ppl focusing me (multiple times) and I escaped

[west bough]

damn, you're insane

for some reason agility seems to get either shitters or maxers and there's no real in-between

[brazen fox]

Nah you just learn to use the obstacles

U can also do stuff like go over log (make sure high hp cuz stall) and freeze them as they cross over - if they didn’t bring seeds it’s free log bcos they’ll be DD’d on you

You can log in basement as well

U can kinda run the course and they’ll fall behind u as they try to freeze for a tick etc

run basement to one of the nooks to the south and log

[west bough]

interesting, I'll try some of that the next time I'm getting cooked

[brazen fox]

If u freeze them after log u can go to pipe and hide behind it to log etc

Even if they seed and break it u can run north of pipe and hide til u can log

There’s a plugin

Combat logout timer

Its op

[west bough]

tbh if I see a guy in max I think it's just a logout angle, I shouldn't even try to fight them beyond just bolting to try to get them to brew and trying to catch a freeze to get a log

o yeah I have the plugin

[brazen fox]

Ur in unskull gear tho and they might be bad

I’d always try to fight to get a feel for how good they are

Plus fang dps is nuts u might outlast

[west bough]

hmm maybe. most of them have been giga cracked though, or at least clearly much better than me

I still risk around 3m so not the best to eat a death but not the worst either

[brazen fox]

Ye ez log then 🤣

[west bough]

almost got a guy yesterday for what would've been a good amount but he caught a freeze first opportunity and took the plank

[brazen fox]

Prob multi baiting

Lots of ppl do that there

[west bough]

oh true. I've gotten dbow specced out on that plank while pking there before. luckily I was in pure rag gear but it was spooky for sure

a while back I also fought some guy till I was almost out, took the plank, and he had another fucking max dude w/ infernal and all waiting at the bottom for me

at that point you deserve the loot

[brazen fox]

Ye it’s common but u can normally tell

I never follow south

Only try to log inside

That’s why freezes r so good there compared to veng

[west bough]

yeah true. it's also a lot harder to fight without freezes against an opponent with them, and there's no option to just tank for 2:30 unlike in sub-30 wildy if things are going south

[brazen fox]

Yeah when you’re stuck bolting them on prayer it sucks bad

[west bough]

oh yeah. it wasn't so bad when I was using bowfa but still definitely not ideal, and now that I'm using the dcb it'd definitely suck

[royal gate]

Making Bounty Hunter more beginner friendly I completely agree with. But rather than having a blocklist containing raggers, what about adding a toggle so that you can opt out from rogue battles? That way you can completely eliminate ragging and focus on target battles, which is what I think most legitimate players are interested in. As for new players getting smited for their +1, maybe punishing all forms of noskulling isn't the best solution. What about putting a risk threshold that you must reach to be eligible for emblem upgrades? New players can noskull and bring said risk, knowing that they cannot lose more than that particular amount.

[forest kraken]

I remember the first time I went to bh on my iron and I had about 5 guys in a row veng, vw maul me then run, just got fed up with it and left

Really not enjoyable lol

[hasty swallow]

I’m rank 10 bh and my first 5-10 targets are usually people who have been there the longest recently. A lot of times I get matched with them and they are 90% rats that will rag you or spec and run. Imagine a new player that matches those guys 3 times straight then have to skip and get matchmaking blocked. They’d never come back to bh. So punishing the rats that rag need to be a priority imo. As with the risk for emblem upgrades, I don’t see risk as an issue. Every new player I’ve seen that comes to bh is willing to bring a silver risk skull from what I’ve seen.

This is coming from an unskuller in max strength bonus trying to smite people btw. People like me and the raggers doing disruptive behavior is why noobs never return after 1 session

[scenic hare]

Rs3 penalties use to be epic. 5 people on you, and u had to survive couple mins without leaving a crator.

[royal gate]

Yeah I'm not sure how to solve the issue with some people not even trying to make a fair fight, but instead just spec and run away. Having a blocklist I guess is one way, but that could also be abused so that people simply block players like yourself that are more skilled, leaving them with no battles. Although arguably, I'd say that ragging outside of target battles is the most impactful issue with Bounty Hunter. At least in my opinion. That would be solved with a rouge battle toggle.

In any case, my point with the unskulling mechanic was to respond to your critique towards new players becoming smited for their bank. If a new player unskull, they can't lose their bank. But in alignment with the recent update, we might not want to encourage unskulling by default. So for that I propose that you need to carry a certain amount of GP as a tradeoff for playing the game more safe. But in return you are allowed to upgrade emblems as usual. I made a recent suggestion tangent to this regarding meta game diversity, but that's not really related to the issues you're bringing up here https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1487361586170433536

[hasty swallow]

You know what they say, quality over quanitity. I'd rather get blocked and have fewer fights where the fights are 'honor pking' based like BH is supposed to be designed, than dealing with raggers/rats and having a terrible gameplay experience. There's no overheads/freezes in BH since it was specifically said to be 'honor pking,' so why should disruptive behavior be allowed? When you say upgrade emblems you mean higher than a T1, right? Cause as far as I'm aware most noobs there are going for their elder or claw kits and turning in their T1's after every target kill, since they downgrade if you die, and a new player WILL die a lot. I don't know if having a min. risk would help new players out though. I risk a green skull with 1.9m risk and get skipped a lot, so new players who unskull will definitely get skipped a lot either way.

Every pvp multiplayer game has an anti-griefing system to punish bad actors. Bounty Hunter pvp has no anti-griefing system for bad actors, which is a big reason why it's so toxic. If punishing bad actors who rag can't be enforced, then at least let the players have a way to enforce it by making it so you don't have to interact with the bad actors.

Also, the people who would go down the line of blocking me would skip me everytime anyway, so I don't think that changes the pool of people I'd actually be fighting anyway.

I think a 500k fee to block someone would be reasonable. If you don't wanna pay the 500k fee then you can still use your skips to skip the target.

[minor aspen]

i would probably play bh if it was something i could do with friends

[next sequoia]

If irons thought lms was bad, just wait till get try bounty hunter, get stacked for 90 HP in 1 tick and actually lose Money.

[fringe fjord]

just make f2p bh

with corrupt weapons

[iron cobalt]

hi

[next sequoia]

Daily hello

[glass citrus]

if you die with full void in a pvp world do u keep it

[fringe fjord]

it breaks

but yes

[glass citrus]

ah ok where’s repair?

is this even if skulled btw ^^

don’t need trouver parchments?

[fringe fjord]

perdu fixes it, lummy varrock or ferox enclave

dont need parchments below 20 wildy

if you risk the piece it breaks if its not risked it doesnt break

[glass citrus]

sweet ty

[glass citrus]

sorry just 1 last thing what about at BH

[fringe fjord]

same thing there

[glass citrus]

oh so it just breaks?

[scarlet tree]

Yes also breaks, like he said under 20 wildy u don’t need to parch
PvP world and bh act like lvl 15/lvl5 wildy for the most part

[digital dune]

did they make any wildy/pvp related announcements since summit?

been hopping nonstop for a single "real" fight at revs

[whole grove]

What’s the best video guide on basic PvP stuff like player flicking, overheads? I already know and tried some PvP but looking to practice and improve before going back in

Like I struggle with gear swap and juggling prayers

[wide crater]

What kind of gear you running

[digital dune]

barrows sets on main

would hit alter more but its shit ping int he states

[wide crater]

Ahh i feel that. Im watching tv afk skulking but seen a couple max gear fighters. Ill run some tomorrow if youre down

[digital dune]

greg2007 made one not ttoo long ago. alot of that comes from practice and getting muscle memory down in LMS or in ccheap rags in wildy

[digital dune]

sounds good man where are you typically posted up? rsn? ill add you

[wide crater]

Smitetheory, and usually deep wildy above gate

But im down anywhere

Ight bet gotchu bri

[digital dune]

added brother, hmu if u see me onloine

[whole grove]

I learned my basics from watching a few odablock videos and some others but it’s really not comprehensive lol try watching greg

I just want even more details

Like I know how it is on a basic level and I wanna drill LMS

[inner dew]

yea there isnt a definitive resource

but you could ask about specific styles of pking and go from there to figure out what ur missing, if u showed a video then ppl could probably comment on things u arent doing or what the enemy is doing

or maybe some discords/clans that can watch u live

oda does occasionally explain stuff in his streams but its a bit random so hard to share

[digital dune]

best suggestion is this sort of progression:

1. watch various content on NH (greg/61m for pures/oda etc
2. practice in lms - focus on a specific skill each time (gear swaps, pray swaps, both)
3. go out there in rags that ur willing to lose and practice with brew eating bc itts a whjole new world than LMS.

EDIT - with new LMS update with 3 brews its kinda teaching you brew eating but its more like NH staking

if you need some help we can go to clan portal and practice.

[inner dew]

also i watched pure revs pking other day and he uses dscim spec to 5 minute teleblock ppl, something useful about 60 atk pure

dscim spec disables overheads for 8 ticks which prevents mage overhead from halving teleblock duration to 2min 30sec

[whole grove]

wait that's a thing? i don't get it, is it due to stopping overheads with spec

i didnt know it becomes 5 mins tho

is there no CD?

[inner dew]

yeah overhead used to also nerf entangles/snare duration but that got removed cos it was OP

but it still is a thing for teleblock, not sure about anything else

u have to worldhop/log to reset teleblock i think its kinda derp

only 85 mage tho so easier to get than ice barrage

[sterile flare]

any ranged waepon that isnt dragon crossbow w Dragonstone dragon bolts (e) thats better

[brazen fox]

Opal bolts e

Zcb

Bowfa and Crystal

[fast cradle]

gm

[spark gorge]

can admin do something with raggers at pvp loc

pvp is already so sad, we have autistic raggers ruining it further

[minor aspen]

i think the problems with raggers is a strategic one

a problem to be solved by strategic return locations, strategic retreats - things like that

[jade ledge]

For example if you die with < x risk you are logged out to main screen to touch grass for 30 minutes

/s

[fast cradle]

you just create a scenario where ragging is pointless

like non+1 worlds

I had the most fun pre-eoc on 124/137

since they were non+1 bh worlds

much easier to deal with a ragger that doesnt have a +1

[wide crater]

As long as people enjoy annoying others ragging wont ever go away though

[fast cradle]

true that

human nature.

[forest kraken]

Addy crossbow poison bolts ragging is goated

Or staff raggers

Guaranteed 500k loss would fix it

I’d sit there and farm guaranteed 500ks all day long

[fast cradle]

just make dhide less effective

[minor aspen]

They wearing snake hide though 😂

Dhide does feel crazy tanky though

[fast cradle]

heres where jagex went wrong many years ago

snake hide/salad robes

[minor aspen]

I like salad robes because they are like a budget entry point for pking

I put my noob friends in them when we multi pk

[fast cradle]

😄

[winged thorn]

Xerican robes are just fine for what they are lol

Imagine having an issue with salad robes when jaggy gives free addy rag gear in the form of diaries

[fast cradle]

another example of bad game management

😄

[winged thorn]

Rag isn’t even that big of a deal imo. Just leave if you are being hit by someone in trash gear, is nbd

People get upset about staff baragging but imo it’s not different that mystics +1 tribrid lmfao

[minor aspen]

And if the rag team keeps finding you because you have a leak, then you have bigger problems 😆

[fast cradle]

preach

[winged thorn]

The necessity for leaks would likely be less if content was there for clans to engage each other in

Bring back multi revs!

[fast cradle]

leaks have always been a thing since pre-wildy removal

[winged thorn]

Ofc, just saying the content would make up a lot of the difference

[fast cradle]

whats more crazy is the amount of worldss

takes a lifetime to hop through all the worlds to just find a solo pker

[minor aspen]

im so excited for multi revs i cant wait

Aug 19, 2018 ❤️

the squad

[winged thorn]

[fast cradle]

0

[jade ledge]

Oh damn, glad someone else brought up leaks as well. Feeling better now 💀

[fast cradle]

2k pure worlds were the G @minor aspen

wildy slayer + bossing

[brazen fox]

Best vid for learners I’ve seen is prob this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G3QwBRpMso

Clickbait title but it’s all incredibly solid

[glass citrus]

if im rogue in BH and i die do i lose void or does it just break

[tropic root]

Do any of you know where Jagex shared the results of the 2024 November pvp survey?

Apparently they did somewhere and 92% of the playerbase said they understand the wilderness

But I'm way more curious about the other answers

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=13/pvp-survey-wrathmaw-bounty-hunter-changes--more?oldschool=1

I can't seem to find where these "results" were shared so I'm wondering if this is just a fake for the meme... of level 92-99

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/oa8r1s/just_over_half_of_osrs_players_understand_the/

[naive ore]

they dont usually post the survey results anywhere. Most likely just a troll post

like this is the question in the survey and reddit post somehow got yes/no options

seems like survey asked specifically about every single mechanic, pj timers, multi, singles, wilderness levels and so on separately after that

yeah im not checking all questions in survey... wasnt even half way done after like 50+ questions

[civic thunder]

You won’t lose void.

[minor aspen]

I wish chaos robes weren’t so goofy lookin, ghostly looks so much nicer.

We need some ghostly split bark, something spicy

[wide crater]

Thats a crazy hot take, personally i think chaos are some of the dopest robes in game

[minor aspen]

Like a 50 or 60 magic level 1 def robes tier would be cool

Maybe im just salty i splashed my tangles like 10 times on another 1 def guy

[whole grove]

Thanks

I’ve been watching so many videos it’s all starting to make sense

Can someone teach me pots

Like - I see it in two categories - prepot and pot in bag.

Prepot - I don’t even know it’s a lot like super anti fire etc

What I care about more rn:
Inventory pots - ranging, super combat, super restore, brews, am I forgetting anything?

[winged thorn]

my next 2 are personal pref: i like bringing a stam and anti-venom w/ me. sometimes i skimp out on the anti venom. but never rly the stam. walking in this game sucks and even moreso when its loot running away

[whole grove]

Right, I do bring stam pots. Is it likely people pull up with dragonstone bolts enough that I’ll die if I don’t have anti fire on me

Or is antivenom important

[winged thorn]

sip an extended anti-fire as a pre-pot and you should b ok. its like 10 mins of protection

the venom just does a lot more damage opposed to the potential for a 65 dfire bolt

you can also use extended anti venoms now so that may suit you as well

[sterile flare]

any normal weapon for melee

i have d crossbow ahrim staff and d claw

so i cant do normal attacks

[next sequoia]

For some reason osrs pvp content creators are absolutely horrid when it comes to click baiting. Whether it be titles or thumbnails or whatever, it's so annoying

[next sequoia]

The survey was seeing how everyone felt about pvp and the wilderness but of course since it's PvP related, something has to go wrong. The survey bugged mid way through, had some type of error and made it to where people didn't fill it out properly. No results were shared I believe

[iron cobalt]

hi

Best suggestion to revive the wilderness is having wilderness only worlds

If your not in 1 of those worlds you cant enter the wildy

[inner dew]

true

[tropic root]

You know, I really don't believe constricting the wilderness to a few worlds will have the effect people think it will

The biggest reasons the wildy population doesn't grow are because people don't like to risk and because even those who don't mind realize the skill gap is too much to bridge and due to risk, too expensive to learn

Restricting the wilderness to few worlds will give the illusion of more activity, because everyone will be in a few worlds

Things like Wildy Altar will die because it's content that only works for people when it's so dead you don't get interrupted by PKers. If it where popping off, even an anti pker couldn't do well there if they are training prayer in a multi spot

I would foresee similar situations of crowdedness pushing out PvMers who will get attacked all the time until they stop going.

This would kill the food chain from the bottom up as only pkers are left, then they won't want to fight each other because if they did they'd be in a pvp world or bh. Or they'd be doing multi clan stuff. Then pkers will leave too.

That is a reality we are already seeing over the past few years and won't change unless the balance of how the wilderness works is changed overall, imo.

That solution to the scarcity problem disproportionately helps the cat at the mouse's expense. The backlash from the community would be unfortunate for PvP polls.

That said I wouldn't mind Jagex trying it and finding out

[inner dew]

doesnt matter, wildy isnt made for ppl who want no risk

[tropic root]

If you ignore the design problems of the Wilderness, it will die.

[inner dew]

the wildy not being attractive to ppl who dont like the wildy isnt a design problem

[tropic root]

I disagree

[inner dew]

there is enough content outside of the wildy that is no risk

[tropic root]

One second

[inner dew]

we dont need to change wildy into what its not to appease 1% of ironmen who cry

[tropic root]

Before we get into a semantic argument

I'm not saying the wilderness should be no risk and I'm not saying it should appeal to people who don't like pvp

I'm saying it also sucks for people who like pvp and it also sucks for people who might like some risk but not hilariously unfair balancing

[inner dew]

its not semantic to describe the wildy as what it is tho

[tropic root]

Good, cause I never said it shouldn't be the wilderness

[inner dew]

whats imbalanced tho

the wildy only worlds would just make it more densely populated with ppl who actually wanna be there and less amount of worldhopping required, its a win for everybody

if someone isnt interested in the wildy as a risky place, but still wants to reap the rewards... that is called having ur cake and eating it too

[tropic root]

Sir this is not a point I have argued

[inner dew]

i mean it seems pretty miserable to spam worldhop to find players only for them to escape before the fight even starts much of the time

fixing the wildy so that it isnt a complete joke is the least jagex could do

they should literally not care whatsoever what ppl who dont intend to pk think about the wildy

[tender burrow]

Hey so since you can toggle xp in soul wars now. Does that mean there's a new way to train pures? just curious because i haven't seen anyone mention it.

[inner dew]

also a point pkers make which is absolutely true is that the increased activity doesnt neccessarily mean pvmers are in more danger

it can just as easily mean they are more protected from pkers by other pkers (if we had PJing anyway)

without PJ im not so sure, it seems quite derp to me anyway

[west bough]

hey, quick question: when do I pot in a fight? obviously scb before I spec, but other than that? I find that a lot of times I pot then quickly have to brew so I don't get good effectiveness out of my pots

is it just when I'm high HP (like 99+) and/or cooking my opponent?

[wide crater]

The skill gap is not too big. Im decent at pvp and i get absolutely COOKED by some irons in lms lmao. There are people out there that are good at the game and simply dont want to lose money to other people. I do agree with the other points tho

[west bough]

also is there anything I can do about the cycle of getting frozen and smacked -> brewing down and getting smacked more -> getting frozen again because I'm brewed down? do I just have to risk HP to go for my own freeze to try to gain momentum?

[naive ore]

main reason there is large skill gap is because casual players do not even learn CG in pvm, so they are not used to fast movement, gear swaps or prayer swaps.

like avarage casual players are doing no switch zulrah with late prayer swap almost every phase

[hollow fiber]

Risking 200k is scary

[brazen fox]

Ye setting up ko or 115 with momentum

[wide crater]

Seriously tho its a huge misconception about the skill gap. Sure the top 2% theres a massive skill gap. But the average player is just that… average. It took me 2 weeks of consistent practice to be able to start beating people for 16-20m kills

[brazen fox]

Yh the average pker is insanely bad

U can get to the point ur beating them fast

[wide crater]

I literally will go multi solo and drag 2-3 man teams to singles and kill them b2b. Most pkers are not good

[lusty coyote]

How is it a win for everybody thou? Non-pkers need to hop more to find a spot and get attacked more. So to me it seems pk'ers have a win, but non-pkers have a double lose? What do they win from it?

[brazen fox]

Non-pkers get to chill more bcos the few pkers that only kill pvmers are being found by actual pkers more

Food chain is restored

And tbh those pkers that can’t fight other pkers less likely to go wildy when they dying over and over

[lusty coyote]

But those pk'ers can insta-hop as they are not in combat, pvm'ers cant

[brazen fox]

U can insta tele wym

Also pkers aren’t using wildy player alarm

So they don’t insta log/tele

[wide crater]

Def not

[brazen fox]

They want to find ppl

[inner dew]

i mean they could redesign wildy to have way more monster spawns and then use that as justification for even fewer worlds

[wide crater]

I dont want constant flashing while im killing clans

[lusty coyote]

Wildy player alarm outside is a help, true, but it needs a second acc outside

Pk'ers def instalog thou

[wide crater]

Even if they instalog from other pkers rhat are there to kill them, it still prevents them from killing the pvmer so his point still stands

[brazen fox]

Most of them see a player nearby and look at them tondecide if they wanna fight, right click to check combat levels etc

Hopping and insta logging aren’t the same tbh

But ye there’s a lot of free sets out there for the taking but am not hopping 300 worlds 4x to find it

[wide crater]

Thats true but theres no denying the fact that a lot of kids avoid actual fightd

[lusty coyote]

They onlyinstahop if there is another pker, which means the pvmers case of "there is a pker" had not changed

[brazen fox]

So unfortunately ur gna get hit by that noob in max set bcos am not hopping for an hour

[lusty coyote]

True

[wide crater]

It does tho, bc those of us hunting fights do not care about 25 noted dragon bones

[brazen fox]

Sure but if I’m hopping revs and see a maxer hop away am gonna chase em down and hop til I find them

So u get to pvm in peace

U didn’t get attacked in the first place

[wide crater]

Thats facts. I will kill pvmers every once in a while if im absolutely dry on action. But in the case im attacking a pvmer and a skulled player logs in, pvmer = safe cus im on that guy

[brazen fox]

Ye hitting pvmers so boring man but hopping is more boring so

[lusty coyote]

So for a pker like you it would help, but i do feel like in the larger whole of osrs, you are a vast minority, no?

[brazen fox]

No, we’re the majority tbh