pvp-discussion

[fervent hornet]

hello anyone here have a pure?

[cloud hatch]

Sometimes

[low mesa]

I just saw a pkers in the rev caves die to to a masori web weaver bot lmao

[minor aspen]

No, though it’d be cool to get a badge for locking your defense at 0 exp, then you could do defense quests 🙂

[jade ledge]

Are you on a recruiting mission? xD

[next sequoia]

@iron cobalt Goofy

[fast frost]

Anyone wanna do a from scratch pk run , zombie pirates-chaos altar- ven

[winged thorn]

Not really “bad” just doesn’t rly give you any advantage. You’d have to risk slayer helm or take it with you on every pk for it to be worth it.
I would say though that if you’re planning on playing the acc like a main, it’ll be fun! Slayer helm & I believe fairy rings, as well as addy gloves are all “perks” of 13 def

[fringe fjord]

20 def would idk why you'd stay 13

Only in bh tho

[winged thorn]

You don’t understand anything you don’t agree with lol

But tbf, I’ve always held the position that if you get def on a pure you should either be:
13, 20, or 33 (35 to round out & make it look nice)

[fringe fjord]

Just get 40 at that point

[winged thorn]

They all have their own perks

[fringe fjord]

35 used to be full on clan stat cap abuse account

[winged thorn]

Not really worth going into it with a fella who only does bh & doesn’t clan

[fringe fjord]

Or was it 37

[fervent hornet]

Ik on the grind

[winged thorn]

Train defense

[fervent hornet]

I have 5 mains

[winged thorn]

Grow up den

S m h

[fervent hornet]

Brotherman

I just enjoy my group of guys

[winged thorn]

Tell them train defense

[fervent hornet]

Or I would've been on main already

[winged thorn]

[fervent hornet]

Na give that one to caddie

[winged thorn]

Imagine you’re headlocked wearing ghostly robes until jaggy kills multi

[fervent hornet]

I heard multi was dead for main scene also atm

[winged thorn]

Mains go out daily idk about pure clans

Maybe ofa & bp

Otherwise a pure clan pk trip is small manning in slayer caves lmao

[fervent hornet]

Ive had an event everyday other then yday

[winged thorn]

That’s an event

Is different

You don’t just go out into wildy

Think about multi revs days

Mfers wouldn’t go to events

[fervent hornet]

I have been every morning and evening

[winged thorn]

Is sad way things are

[fervent hornet]

Running ca

It's slow atm though

Because of the wipe of bots

I could run trip anywhere

[winged thorn]

I did notice less bots

[fervent hornet]

And would have action now it's CA and scorpia

[winged thorn]

Scorpia being active is so funny to me

[fervent hornet]

Chest bots are gone for a hit min

[winged thorn]

Goofy lmao

[fervent hornet]

Fr bro I mean we been getting 1-4m keys

[winged thorn]

I believe it, got that guy who eliop beefed with always running into multi in max out there

Can’t remember his name lol

[fervent hornet]

They are tubro grief running in with basic max

[latent relic]

A lot of bots got nuked. Seems like they moved on to lvl 100cmb rev accounts with masori and webweaver

[fervent hornet]

yeah seen that lately

[granite sphinx]

Those are usually gold farmers not bots tho aren’t they?

[latent relic]

Yeah gold farmers

They will run you to multi and send an alt in to try and AGS spec you

[forest kraken]

That’s the best trick in the book

Run to multi and watch the geared out main teeter around the multi line like it’s lava

[iron cobalt]

hi

[forest kraken]

As a pure lover it’s a no from me chief

I think you’ll struggle to get any support for this whatsoever

Mostly because the meta is already deeply ingrained with this not being a thing

So much so peope have built and played accounts for years with this in mind

[naive ore]

allowing quests with locked xp is probably going to be biggest reason people dont want that since would change all the metas

[tropic latch]

I get your point

[forest kraken]

Yeah it would really ruin a lot of people’s enjoyment of the game and actively lose jagex a bunch of money

[granite sphinx]

Yeah I agree the quests gotta stay locked still for sure. -xp lamps tho now THOSE the people want

[wide crater]

Bro ive pkd 100m plus at scorpia last few weeks. Got a kodai and 10+ sceptres lmao

[forest kraken]

That dudes still playing?

I thought the entire community bullied him off the game

[glacial gate]

quit giving away my free setinator

[tropic latch]

ok guys, i ahve gone through this, and revised it, can people show some support please https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1484213231554920538

it was also mentioned before!

and yes chatgpt did help me improve the write up.....

[wide crater]

Major avoider now lol

You can kill him in singles all day tho

[latent relic]

Sorry m8 can't support. Part of being a pure means restricting you from accessing some things. If pures could access everything zerks, mains, and meds could it would ruin the differentiation between those builds. Having veng, barrows gloves, heavy ballista on a pure would be really broken. Also to do something like this would have to lock your account out of main game and pull people out of the wildy even more.

[tropic latch]

Hey Scott, thanks for the reply, as per your other comments, do you still support the idea of not gaining xp in pking, such as the idea in BH

Just help pures stay in certain bracket

Hard work for certain obby pures, tbf

Essentially with 1 atk, gets ruined as soon as its 2!! As an example, plus the cb lvl staying at a certified bracket is helpful for pures as well

Your support will be greatly appreciated

[verbal ore]

this is already a thing for iron men

[latent relic]

Yeah I honestly don't care either way, personally I'm never going to put my crossbow on long range ever lol

I honestly think more pures would get ruined with it off in pvp

[tropic latch]

You are 💯 right, just need it for regular, just to help the cb brackets

Just need your support on that suggest page please 🙏

[verbal ore]

how are you going to sell that idea to the 10hp iron men pures that spent years building their accounts entirely for that perk

[tropic latch]

How ? I mean it will help them stay in their cb bracket, and it something they can choose, maybe

[glacial gate]

Yes lets just make it easier for others and devalue their accomplishments.

[latent relic]

Well you are saying it would only be turned off in PvP combat if I go to pvm and forget to switch my attack to rapid from long range

[glacial gate]

👏🏻

[latent relic]

Or I miss click an npc

[tropic latch]

Iran man is a complete different strategy of playing the game?

[verbal ore]

and the price they paid to get that no xp in pvp perk

[fast frost]

from scrathc run anyone-zombie pirates-chaos altar- ven pk

[latent relic]

I don't see why we need to not gain combat XP in wildy PvP or Pvp in general

Is it to keep low HP builds?

[verbal ore]

yeah

solus adamus is the famous low hp example

[tropic latch]

To help with the cb brackets, as discussed or discussing in the suggestion form

[tropic latch]

And yes, as well

[latent relic]

What do you mean by help with CB brackets

[verbal ore]

imagine using the pump to get 99 str and then they let non irons do it

[fast frost]

bro types like hes emailing work

[glacial gate]

help with his idea of them i suppose.

[tropic latch]

But alot more people play ad regular, plus in Iron-man there are more than just that

[verbal ore]

yeah because making the cool build is slow and hard to do, keeping them rare and exotic

[tropic latch]

Well, for example, if you are a cb 54, with certain stats, and you want to stay in that cb to pk, with the same stats, then you should be allowed to do that without leveling up anything while you are pking/pvp, this all im saying

[fast frost]

from scratch run anyone-zombie pirates-chaos altar- ven pk

[fast frost]

then do the hardwork and make an ironman pure bruh

[tropic latch]

The Idea is sound if you think about it

[verbal ore]

the idea has existed for 10 years already and many many people have made accounts taking the harder path

[tropic latch]

Help you stay in your cb or locked in your ideal cb and enjoy your pking at your desired cb

[tropic latch]

Iron-man?

[verbal ore]

pvp iron man for the sole purpose of not gaining xp

old old concept

[fast frost]

yeah bro you make a pure ironman that cant gain xp from pvp , tahts how you do it , just annoying to get all the stuff you need on it

[tropic latch]

I think, the purpose is to bring it to the regular players, this is all im saying

[tropic latch]

100s if not 1000s of hours already spent

[verbal ore]

the purpose is literally the opposite of that

they want it to be very hard to do

[fast frost]

you say regular players right , but most peopl,e dont pk at all bro , im in here veryday asking people to pk and no one ever does

the 'average player doesnt touch pking

due to its ridiculous skill ceiling

[verbal ore]

idk about that lol

[tropic latch]

There is alot of pker bro, plus the idea, which is old, can help people too

[fast frost]

you dont know if pking has a high skill ceiling you okay ????

[tropic latch]

How so bro?

[verbal ore]

relative to other games, no not really

the barrier is more monetary

[fast frost]

been ppractining everyday for 4 months only managed like 15 lms wins , and people anhilate me in wildy on daily one tick invisa venges and better switches

[tropic latch]

Guys support this for regular pkers for pures please

[glacial gate]

this is baseless lmao.

[verbal ore]

this doesnt mean anything really

[tropic latch]

The Idea of Iron-man as you mentioned, they hardly pk or hardly is alot of Iron-man compared to regular players

[verbal ore]

how so

[fast frost]

if you think pking doesnt have a high skill ceiling then your rather so good you forgot about being bad , or you just stright up dont pk , like yeah you can kill people bonr running easy but cmon bro

[tropic latch]

I love pk

All i do is pk

[glacial gate]

I was only rank 1 multiple seasons in a row on wow, and i must say osrs pvp is much harder to have a deciscive victory.

[fast frost]

literally everyday i learn smth new about pking since i started 4 months ago , and despite putting the time in daily to practice theres a ridiculous amount of people who would walk over me over and over again

[latent relic]

But aren't those primarily BH accounts?

[verbal ore]

i would also put wow quite low in terms of skill ceiling. gear and time investment carry the load

[glacial gate]

Lmao what game is good pvp then oh mighty one

And dont say some shooter slop

[tropic latch]

Can be yes, but in f2p pvp, nope

[verbal ore]

counter strike, quake, tarkov, anything reliant on reaction time and mechanics and biological ability

[latent relic]

Like all pures that NH just get max eventually

[glacial gate]

Oh shooter slop

so you're a troll.

Moving on

[fast frost]

sir , we disagree , i want to disresepct you because i think what your saying is slander but im just gonna say our opinions differ

[latent relic]

I wouldn't change for f2p builds

[tropic latch]

Some pures like, would like to stay at cb 54, for example or 60, or whatever

[winged thorn]

PvP chat active omg

[fast frost]

from scrathc run anyone-zombie pirates-chaos altar- ven pk ???????????

[glacial gate]

We have a shooter sandy in here too! its wild

[verbal ore]

weird to dismiss them tbh

[latent relic]

What build is this cmb LVL that you wouldn't use in BH though

[verbal ore]

probably a lack of understanding

[tropic latch]

I have a cb 37 for example and I dont want to him to lvl up, I wana stay at 37 to pk at that cb, but it will lvl up as I pk! I love my stats for that cb

[glacial gate]

1v1 me to reinstate.

[winged thorn]

I can understand the beef tbh. Irons don’t gain xp in PvP so I see the reason for wanting the same for normie accs

[verbal ore]

wtf is that

[winged thorn]

But it would completely change the meta

[latent relic]

What build and where are you pking with that

[glacial gate]

imagine not knowing what a 1v1 is

[winged thorn]

It would have to be restricted to just PvP encounter not giving xp

[latent relic]

Yeah

[verbal ore]

what do you mean by reinstate, you speak like an alien

[glacial gate]

you said i had dismissed you. if you wish to be reinstated 1v1 me. Sorry you have trouble with reading comprehension ill chill out with words bigger than 6 letters.

[tropic latch]

My account has 70 str, 59 hp, cb 37, and I want to continue being that low lvl, but of course the more I pk it will.lvl up the cb! In f2p

[verbal ore]

i dont refer to myself as them, mr reading comprehension

[latent relic]

I don't think jagex should dedicate dev time to such a niche thing I'll be honest

[winged thorn]

Idk if deactivating xp gained in PvP is niche

It exists already for irons & in bh

[tropic latch]

I mean, they already have in bh?

[winged thorn]

Imagine all the pures that would be saved from dds’ing on def l00l

[tropic latch]

Exactly

[latent relic]

I mean it would change NHing a bit with long range

[winged thorn]

Only for pures ye

[latent relic]

That's a skill issue

[winged thorn]

Agreed

I never did it

[glacial gate]

you can identify as whatever you please friend. I don't discriminate! They/them its up to you! Stay blessed.

❤️

[latent relic]

0 def XP on my pure

[verbal ore]

i was referring to the game genre, very ironic misinterpretation

[tropic latch]

Lucky you, the amount of time I got 2 def omg!

[verbal ore]

lmao

[winged thorn]

Idk what you two are arguing about but I think it was the low skill ceiling for PvP comment

[glacial gate]

Point stands if pvp is such a low skill cap, 1v1 me. Lets find out. Im pretty bad too 😛 should be easy for you.

[winged thorn]

On god fr handle it in the wildy

[tropic latch]

Any chance to gain support from you guys as it already exists ?

[latent relic]

I'm just talking around them lol

[winged thorn]

This is PvP chat, if you have beef go to wild

[verbal ore]

u on steam? i can humble u in cs real quick

[winged thorn]

[glacial gate]

Cs? Brother please keep on topic.

[latent relic]

I already posted support in the topic if it is only disabled during PvP interactuonz

[verbal ore]

pipe down

[tropic latch]

❤️ I saw yes

[latent relic]

@glacial gate @verbal ore maybe take it to dms

[verbal ore]

its resolved

[winged thorn]

I know how we can solve this.
Dare one of you to stand 3 tiles away from multi skulled with ely @verbal ore @glacial gate

[glacial gate]

Bet

[tropic latch]

I got a lvl 54 99 str obby pure, cant use it much as it will.lvl.up hp!! Dont want me cb to go up

Its annoying af

[winged thorn]

I’m making one of those rn?

!*

[glacial gate]

He wont fight me so thats the closest imma get to action.

[latent relic]

With 1hp and 99 prayer though right?

[tropic latch]

Youll love it

[winged thorn]

I’m gonna stay in bh though with mine

[winged thorn]

Dang it….

Don’t give them ideas!

[tropic latch]

Making a 99 def, 40 hp cb 52

24s with dfs

Xd

[winged thorn]

I got one of those too

[tropic latch]

Wtf

Really

[winged thorn]

Yer

[latent relic]

It is funny when a clan tries to mace and you already under the HP LVL needed to not get smited. Watch them just bolt you in frustration

[winged thorn]

But it’s only 75 def

[tropic latch]

I would hate to see it ruin by cb going up from pking!!

[winged thorn]

Cba getting 99

[winged thorn]

[tropic latch]

I need to pk soon in p2p, kinda expensive now though lol

[tropic latch]

Do it

[latent relic]

Just go in budget sets

[winged thorn]

P2P pk is pog

Start in multi with friends is my advice

[latent relic]

On a pure you can pk in under 100k set and be fine

[tropic latch]

I mainly solo tbf

[tropic latch]

Got a def pure, 99 def cb 78, 89 str 65 range

But f2p

[latent relic]

That's not pk ready imo

[tropic latch]

Well, it will lvl up cb too fast if I keep range !!!

[latent relic]

You'll get smoked by a pure at that cmb lvl

[tropic latch]

Hence the support from the community and i know many others who feel the same with their acca

Accounts

[tropic latch]

With my 99 def ? No way bro

[latent relic]

Yeah you will

If I was home I'd login and show you

[tropic latch]

P2p?

[latent relic]

Yeah

[verbal ore]

how much hp

[tropic latch]

88hp

[verbal ore]

65 range u got literally 0 damage in ur bracket

[latent relic]

Mhmm

[tropic latch]

Well, i have never pked in p2p on it so idk

[winged thorn]

They’re also speaking about p2p yep

[verbal ore]

expect to get frozen

[winged thorn]

If you got a meta working in f2p keep at it bro

They’re saying though if you come p2p you’ll be fk’d

[latent relic]

Mhmm

F2p it is probably fine

[tropic latch]

Fair point

[latent relic]

But there are a lot of things in p2p that can damage through def

[winged thorn]

I think your 78 cb acc could have some potential to be a sick little pure killer

You’ll just have to give up prayer lvls

[tropic root]

frogs r cool

[tropic latch]

I guess prayer is useful here lol

[latent relic]

He has no sustained DPS and barely any KO potential

[tropic latch]

Ill gave to build it up then

[verbal ore]

idk man

[winged thorn]

Can I see your stats like that ^ ?

The 89 str is KO potential

[latent relic]

He'd have to use dwh

[tropic latch]

Well 1 atk lol

Hold on

[latent relic]

Be pretty shit lol

[winged thorn]

An obby mauler with def bro

[latent relic]

I guess but what are you gonna combo with at 65 range

[verbal ore]

if its for inquisitors its cool

beyond that tho idk

[winged thorn]

His cb calc will allow range lvls

Surely

88 hp he’s not prodded

[latent relic]

He's range bases

[winged thorn]

It’s not gonna be a perfect acc

[latent relic]

His cmb is range based

Any range lvls will give him cmb

[verbal ore]

brutal

[winged thorn]

99 def & 89 str?

[latent relic]

Yeah

[winged thorn]

How is it ranged based tho

[tropic latch]

Cant post an image, name is presiident

[latent relic]

Because he can be a combined att and str 1.5x his range

He wouldn't be melee based until 97 str

[tropic latch]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-wow-you-dont-say-michael-office-wow-michael-scott-gif-11124235989547302113

Ty

[winged thorn]

Yeah you right, pulled up calc

[verbal ore]

lvl 78 no pray is rough

[winged thorn]

Nah that acc looks sick ngl

[tropic latch]

I actually get 98 str with pumping, which i will soon actually

[winged thorn]

I was gonna make some shit like this

You’d have to stay in bh lol

[tropic latch]

Do it, f2p pure clan, you are a beast

[verbal ore]

i've been thinking about making a f2p pure for old times sake tbh

[tropic latch]

Hence i need to gain support for this no xp gain haha

[latent relic]

Honestly he'd be better off just getting 97 str and using darts and statius

[tropic latch]

Do it

[winged thorn]

If you wanna pk wildy for sure

[tropic latch]

Im getting 98 str soon via pumping

[tropic latch]

Do it, I can help.you with gear bro, add me.up

[verbal ore]

more of a time issue

[tropic latch]

Fair enough

[latent relic]

Your account would be decent statius Warhammer build for BH

[verbal ore]

and i alr have a p2p pure

that example was mine

[winged thorn]

I’m curious where your hp lvls came from?

Def?

[verbal ore]

99 def

[tropic latch]

In p2p it would suck tho? Guys with barrage would own me

[latent relic]

No

Can't use barrage in bh

[verbal ore]

i can barrage u on my pure if u wanna test

[winged thorn]

88 hp seems like a lot for just 99 def

[tropic latch]

Yh bro, 99 def gave me 87 hp while.i pumped to 89 str

[latent relic]

He probably didn't pump his str

Oh

[winged thorn]

Nice one

[tropic latch]

For real!!!

[verbal ore]

its AOE

[winged thorn]

Still can’t use it in bounty hunter

Grat on that Escobar

[tropic latch]

Didn't bh was limited like that

[winged thorn]

Yeah fella

Can’t use freezes

Well you can, just don’t freeze

Pointless

[verbal ore]

ts can hit 40s

[winged thorn]

In max I guess lol

There’s a reason there’s only a couple farcasters in each bracket

[tropic latch]

In bh you can only attack your own cb?

[winged thorn]

+/- 5 cb lvls

[tropic latch]

Ohhh nicee

[pliant dome]

its lvl 5 wilderness, but if you get assigned a target, it may exceed or be below 5

[tropic latch]

Oh ok, is it busy ? Like ferox

[pliant dome]

Busier

[winged thorn]

For the most part ye

Your bracket is pretty active

[tropic latch]

Oh man, sounds epic

[pliant dome]

I love BH, I'm about 75% of the way to the BH version of Vesta's Longsword

but for some reason I'm killing Zulrah

[tropic latch]

I wish it was f2p as well!

[verbal ore]

how did u get 99 def in f2p

im curious how brutal the grind was

[tropic latch]

No way bro, I was p2p of course sand crabs

[tropic latch]

Uff

[verbal ore]

i'm just going to barrage mine to 99 on my main at some point

mines only 90 rn

[tropic latch]

Soul wars ?

[verbal ore]

in mm2 caves

[latent relic]

You're not gonna want to do BH without protect item

[tropic latch]

Curious what gear would be good for that stats in bh? Any suggestions

[verbal ore]

inquisitor for damage

[tropic latch]

Soul wars is just faster xp

[verbal ore]

or maybe something tankier

[latent relic]

Full statius with dragon knife into statius Warhammer spec

[verbal ore]

mm2 caves are like 300k ish xp/hr

[tropic latch]

Dam, that alot if I die, hence need prot item as you mentioned

[latent relic]

Yeah it's a big risk

[tropic latch]

Dam that's alot of xp

[latent relic]

I dunno how well the dragon knives would be without range top either

[winged thorn]

Well you can’t start off with the stat etc so you’ll start off with lower tier gear

& work your way up

[tropic latch]

Alot indeed lol

[winged thorn]

Hopefully by the time you get that stuff you’d be comfy

[tropic latch]

Oh man

In normal pvp, it will.lvl up so fast due to low range....

Few pvp kills or.so, already 66 range..

[latent relic]

You're in a tough spot because you could make it a range tank but you wouldn't be able to get 75 attack without being close to main cmb

[tropic latch]

Exactly, hence wanting to stay at my cb bracket!!

[winged thorn]

Fk it get 70 prayer & use piety

[tropic latch]

The 65 range hits alright with a finisher of warhammer

[latent relic]

75 attack with 75 str is usually what range tanks get

[verbal ore]

can he do those quests without getting atk xp

[tropic latch]

That will be alot of cb lvls

[winged thorn]

Fk it nvm don’t

BAIL

SCRAM

[latent relic]

You could still make it a range tank with 77 prayer 75 att but you'd be 112 cmb

[tropic latch]

😂

[tropic latch]

Naaa that is a high cb!

[latent relic]

Not a bad account tbh you'd do good vs meds

[verbal ore]

bro gonna get smited a lot unless he gets a lot of pray tbh

[winged thorn]

Not too bad actually believe it or not, 87 CB rn with your stats

[tropic latch]

Tbf. I love this, and its max ill do it

I think about that cb 82, the account will just look bad, will get ruined for those stats

[latent relic]

Is there another 1 attack weapon that he could use

[tropic latch]

Considering, other people's stats around my cb

[verbal ore]

the account has a short life span either way with the pvp xp gain tbh

[winged thorn]

For KO? Idts

[latent relic]

To pair with obby maul or statius dwh

[winged thorn]

Dwh

[tropic latch]

I think only obby and warhammerz?

[tropic latch]

Umm

[winged thorn]

But yea otherwise

[latent relic]

Like would dragon knives be the best to chip down his opponents hp?

At 65 range

[verbal ore]

knives into dfs into maul?

[winged thorn]

RPG cannon lmfao

[latent relic]

Lol

[tropic latch]

Exactly my point, hence thr suggestion idea, lol many others in my position as well

[latent relic]

It doesn't in BH though

Which is where these account builds shine

[winged thorn]

Seriously

[latent relic]

No overheads no freeze spells

[tropic latch]

Yh i guess yoy are right

[winged thorn]

All the things you “have to have” for PvP in wildy you don’t need for bh

[tropic latch]

Monthly 10£ as well 😆

[latent relic]

If you aren't in BH you'd be doing BH style fights PvP world ge only there you have to deal with rushers

[tropic latch]

Ngl, that is fun

[latent relic]

Basically singles fights outside of NHing you want to do them in BH

[tropic latch]

I use to be rusher, barrage dds

[tropic latch]

I like thr idea of pvping,just for the sake of the size, map wise

[latent relic]

That's why I asked where you pk because that build lacks the mage and range levels to pk outside 1v1 BH style fights or f2p

[tropic latch]

Mainly it was build for f2p

Tbf

[latent relic]

Like in f2p what's your setup?

[winged thorn]

It looks like it was an xlpc acc

[verbal ore]

what do you even do without attack in f2p

[winged thorn]

Rwh

They’re kinda op in singles & in multi

[verbal ore]

arent wh mems only?

[winged thorn]

No

[verbal ore]

when did that change?

[tropic latch]

Full rune, range, and rune war hammer

[verbal ore]

damn im on unc mode

[winged thorn]

When wh changed to str I believe?

Or maybe forever?

[tropic latch]

Good kos

[winged thorn]

Idk

[latent relic]

Aren't most f2p fights no arm though?

[verbal ore]

yep 2021

[tropic latch]

With range i can do 11s and then 24 with warhammer, for now

[tropic latch]

Yes, but some pures think they can take me on

Well, I wear pures gear , when I get attacked I change

[verbal ore]

scam game smh

[tropic latch]

😂 🤣 😆 😆

[winged thorn]

My kinda gamer

[verbal ore]

although if they arent stat checking first thats on them ig

[tropic latch]

Well, when they see cb 78 looking like a pure they assume its a max pure

Which I have a maxed pure tbf cb 78

Most dont check stats and just atk

I kind of bait them, wearing full wiz g

[latent relic]

My pure could do 18 into a 31 with hill giant club

[tropic latch]

😅🤣🤣

[verbal ore]

i really should make a f2p range into rwh pure

[tropic latch]

💯 make it, you got my full support

[tropic latch]

F2p?

[latent relic]

Mhmm

[tropic latch]

99 str I assume then

[latent relic]

Yeah 99 range

[tropic latch]

Tbf, f2p is quite fun

[tropic latch]

🔥

[latent relic]

I have 63 prayer 60 att

[tropic latch]

Cb?

[latent relic]

83

[tropic latch]

Damm that is fire

99 str and range as well

[latent relic]

Once I get 98 hp I'll go to 84 cmb though

[tropic latch]

That a good cb tbf

Dang

[latent relic]

I don't mind tbh

[tropic latch]

Hence you need that no xp gain in pvp

[latent relic]

Most of the pures I fight these days are 75 or 80 att 90+ cmb

[tropic latch]

82 cb looks good

[tropic latch]

Check my maxed pure, x gaara x

Cb 94

Beast built, only for pk

[verbal ore]

i hate being above 60 atk tbh

but 60 atk is ass

[tropic latch]

Atk is good, but can be useless for cb, gets too much cb i reckon, atk not too useful unless doing for a specific wep

[latent relic]

60 att is what I prefer for the 1 def pure but I have 75 att on my med

Can't imagine pking on a med without voidwaker lol

[tropic latch]

Higher atk would require def tbf

[latent relic]

It's not as bad vs zerks now with arkan blade

I'm curious if the new flail will be usable on a pure or not. I'd expect that will be decent spec in PvP for 60 att

[fringe fjord]

75 attack pures are in the same bracket as voiders and unmaxed zerks and vastly inferior

[tropic latch]

Pking world 308 ferox active

Pking now on the def noob lol

[fringe fjord]

everyone uses ferox in f2p nowadays yeah but new people don't know this

so they think its dead

might f2p pk a little once im done with doom tbh

[tropic latch]

Its fun though, especially if you're pure

[fringe fjord]

i play on a 99 combat account mostly

[latent relic]

I might have to give some f2p a try later on the pure. It's been a long time since I did f2p pking

[jade ledge]

Does WG do scheduled fights in f2p?

[latent relic]

No we are primarily p2p

Most people would rather p2p pk. F2p pking is kinda bland in comparison and not nearly as active from what I've seen.

[verbal ore]

shortbow to r2h is like prime pking tbh

[latent relic]

Yeah it was fun back in the day. Usually if I want something like that I go to BH with anchor, MSB/atlatl and gmaul

[fervent hornet]

@jade ledge how about you get active and join outlaws freak

alway avoider men

smh

[jade ledge]

@fervent hornet waw.. but I am active! Not in p2p though 😉

[inland marlin]

Is there any active discords for pure pking? Looking for some people to banter with and discuss gear/stat builds

[forest kraken]

Loads

There’s a bunch of pure clans

Gwassed runs one if you wanna hit him up

[inland marlin]

any recs for a chill one that doesn't wanna force multi shit down your throat? 😄

im just looking for the social aspect, not actual clan gaming

[forest kraken]

You’re looking for more of a social clan then

No idea

Pure clans will want you to go pk with them in multi

That’s kinda the reason for the clan

[inland marlin]

yea thats why i asked about discords not actual clans 😛

[forest kraken]

Yea I don’t know of any

But good luck

[fervent hornet]

Yeah Sundays are mando for most

Social pure clans gl there like pure ironman ccs

[minor aspen]

Maybe we should start a pure/pking fc

[spark gorge]

Any pvp char

So many trash n pvp world

Lati, AN0 and SAN lmao who these childish mf raggers in pvp world

[spark gorge]

If these userid at free pk lumby are your friend, let me know lmao im making a video of it!

[inland marlin]

I don't have time to manage all that shit and promote it etc l0l

i can't imagine there isn't already a pure friends chat somewhere, maybe by some pvp content creator or smth

[glacial gate]

i know 61m likes pures lol

[latent relic]

If you want to pk in a pure FC your better off just joining a pure clan imo

I don't think 61m has a fc he uses. I only ever see him singles.

[glacial gate]

fair lol

yeah there are a bunch of pure clans im sure you could join.

[tame bobcat]

Hello does anyone have the other certificate half for SoA?

wrong chat mb

[latent relic]

Join the FC for SOA

[glacial gate]

Have you tried the in game clan chat for help on it. Should be under minigames i believe

[latent relic]

Yeah that's what I've used for all my accounts

[glacial gate]

What an odd place to ask that but it should work to help you XD

[inland marlin]

Then the question changes to "what pure clans are there that don't require you to go multi on a schedule or have activity guarantees etc." lol. I just pk solo and just wanna chat/banter with the boys and maybe do occasional memeing in multi, but no wars or stuff.

[forest kraken]

I kinda get it, having mandatory wars is not everyone’s cup of tea

But unfortunately I don’t know any communities like that

[latent relic]

Most teams like that are more for meds or mains. I've pked some pures that seem to hop with the altar fc so maybe them?

Otherwise could try Dino or eliops fc?

But again they are mostly mains

[inland marlin]

Is what I want so weird then, or is it just no1 bothered to set one up lol

thanks btw, ill check those out

[forest kraken]

It’s not wierd but the pure community is already small

So the amount of pures that want to pk but not in a clan is tiny

[latent relic]

I mean most people don't strictly main a pure so anyone wanting a pure pking community are going to join for multi pking and wars. What you described isn't going to survive long

[forest kraken]

Whereas therss a lot of mains that want to pk but not war

[latent relic]

There are people in those open FC's that also have pures

But they aren't pure FC's

[forest kraken]

Fwiw warring is fun you should try it if you havnt

Especially if you’re in one of the big clans you can make good gp from it

[latent relic]

GP is not the focus in a war lol

[forest kraken]

I meant you make a lot of gp Ina clan

Not from the war

[latent relic]

Yeah for sure

[glacial gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1465348114033541183/1479211127459283056/multi_revs.gif

[forest kraken]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1465348114033541183/1479211127459283056/multi_revs.gif

[minor aspen]

nah most of the clans only active on midweek and sunday, hard to find guys that just want to go pk any other day

unless i've been in the wrong ones

[fast cradle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1465348114033541183/1479211127459283056/multi_revs.gif?ex=69be53f7&is=69bd0277&hm=a5a0562b9118fbc84dfa5894c7b1c96ca94ac07ad291627e200a17aa88f6a1a2&

[jade ledge]

I see what you mean. But I think other than knowing someone who has a group, or that person knowing someone else who has a group like that, is the way to find a open fc

@fervent hornet do you need a +1? Recruit snorkaas but dont go hard on him, ty

[fervent hornet]

i want to recruit u @jade ledge

[jade ledge]

I'll come in full ghostly and pretend I am not there

[fervent hornet]

smh

[winged thorn]

Give it a rest pal

That guy retired!

[fervent hornet]

that guy good shooter

https://youtu.be/HN3tbhP1WTo

[jade ledge]

Im not retired lol

[fervent hornet]

oop

[fast cradle]

4nrs

pure clanning quality worse now than it was pre-eoc

😄

how do pures even recruit new guys these days @fervent hornet

multi is dead

[fervent hornet]

just basically word around

[fast frost]

Anyone wanna pk at ven or do a from scratch run

Dm me

[quick lion]

Gm

Wiki dps calc doesn’t work for PvP stuff?

Was tryna compare tstod + tome + b gloves against, ancient staff + tome + confliction guantlets. Using bloodbark

[forest kraken]

Toxic staff venoms so that alone is pretty incredible. Maybe just pick something with no defence

Can’t really sim pvp because everyone wears different gear

[tropic root]

here you go whoever asked me to repost trouver parchment thing #1484641654508879983 message

[tropic latch]

Guys, please show some support for the suggestion, which i updated, some 👍 would help! Once you read 📚

[wide crater]

Would take tosd just for the venom and melee alone

[inland marlin]

ok after hopping revs for an hour straight on my 80cb pure, i found exactly 2 pvpers in my cb bracket, a ton of spanish speaking revenant farmers of 100+ cb, and a lot of meds/mains hunting those farmers. pures just seem to be dead. i also hpped black chins, found 3 maxed mains in 100+ worlds hopped, 0 pkers.

where tf can i get some action on my pure man?

[quick lion]

hmm true

[glad pollen]

Wild is kind of dead lately, singles/multi.. Ever since dmm 😭

[glacial gate]

dmm was so good

[minor aspen]

304/305 ferox, but not as interesting as running into people in the caves or wherever - mostly giga sweats too

[inland marlin]

yeah i heard about 304/305 ferox but im not nearly good enough or rich enough to throw kits at the unemployed faze clan gamers there lol

[glacial gate]

aint a max pure set only like 3-4 mil before weapons lol

[inland marlin]

yeah i got like 300m bank brother

and i will donate 100 kits quicker than you can say cheese

guess ill just go lms and enjoy the clienters there to at least build back my muscle memory lol

[winged thorn]

Good fight gamers

[brazen fox]

There r other dps calcs that work for pvp

[tropic root]

I made a topic about insta-logging and the "wilderness worldhop" gameplay
https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1484768111633760337

[jade ledge]

I will let you know my location when I am cannoning in the slayer cave so you can come pk me

[forest kraken]

You can’t DPS calc pvp

Think about it logically

Your openent could be wearing mystics with pray melee or in tank

How are you ever gonna calc that

[brazen fox]

U can dps calc diff gear scenarios obviously not dps calcing the entire fight

[jade ledge]

You can calc different scenarios with the "OSRS DPS Calculator" which can be found on the website Oldschool Tools

[fast cradle]

wallahi

my old man just said iran hit his old base

2500km rockets

gm

[icy elm]

you guys give your opinion on the request https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1484896989664514198

[winged thorn]

I almost wonder if playing the “abused by clans” angle would work lmfao

Bibi made a good point in there & I don’t wanna derail it, but could be an addition onto your original statement @icy elm

[safe marten]

Honestly would probably gain more traction since it would be harder for outsiders to play victim

[icy elm]

what do you suggest I should add. I never really did any alt scouting so can't say much

[latent relic]

I have no idea how people play with that plugin lol

[winged thorn]

They don’t pk, they run

[latent relic]

I don't think its as broken as people make it out to be. If you hover TB or freeze when going into boss caves you can still get them before they can tele. Like I suggested in the topic maybe add a teleport delay like rev caves has

[winged thorn]

Idk, if under 20 wild it’s broken as heck

1 click tele when screen flashes red

[latent relic]

Yeah but expanding teleport delay in combat outside revs fixes that as well

[glacial gate]

ahh they 1t tele before you're even in range because it flashes while you're outside attack range but within render distance

at least in open world

[latent relic]

Yeah open world it's bad but in like spindle you can usually catch the tb

[naive ore]

wasnt there supposed to be same delay in wilderness bosses too without diary? or did they remove it without mention on wiki

[latent relic]

I mean you can't even access singles bosses without diary

[naive ore]

oh right that is why it no longer is mentioned in wiki

[latent relic]

You'd need to make it an elite diary req because you need hards just to enter the caves

[winged thorn]

I also think you have to be tick perfect currently

I’m a long time pker & that’s a high enough ceiling for me to even say nty

[latent relic]

You won't catch bots but real players sometimes

[winged thorn]

I’m not perfect every time lmfao

[glacial gate]

misclick once and lose the fight, delay for a fraction of a second and theyre gone is not a good gameplay loop

[latent relic]

That's why I don't pk pvmers much

[glacial gate]

i pk everything

I do not care

[winged thorn]

The biggest peen tease casting a tb & they still manage to tele after the tb animation hits them lol

[glacial gate]

god that feels so bad. If i fling the tb how do they tele as its midair

[latent relic]

Yeah teleport delay would be nice in the entire wildy tbf

[glacial gate]

it only has to be like 1-2 ticks even

[latent relic]

I don't like the logout timer from dmm though

[glacial gate]

the dmm logout timer is way to much with 300+ worlds to hop

with like 10 it was fine

[latent relic]

Not very forgiving when going for a freeze log as well

[winged thorn]

6 seconds? During a 18s freeze?

[latent relic]

If your on ancients yeah

[winged thorn]

Ah fair normals

[latent relic]

Entangles 14 seconds

[glacial gate]

15 seconds. 25 ticks

w/ no swampbark obv

[latent relic]

Still doable for sure but you'd need to time it right

[glacial gate]

nvm 24. 14.4 lol

[latent relic]

Main game logout timer is 10 seconds after combat difference is you can spam it. Dmm anything interrupts the timer it starts again

It's just clunky without looking at freeze logs etc

[glacial gate]

Name 1 piece of viable endgame incentive the wilderness offers that better is not found elsewhere.
Cross posted from another channel but im genuinely curious.

[minor aspen]

Maybe rogue chests for exp, and agility for gold/xp hybrid value. Revs is viable because of the very low barrier for entry. Prayer altar for exp. Callisto in 10x group is big value. Wilderness slayer for point farming. Is that what you mean? Not sure if I understood correctly.

[latent relic]

You mean rewards or gameplay enjoyment?

[glacial gate]

Fair on rogue chest, agility has one mass world and the rest is mostly dead on the daily. Revs i think we know where i stand on that, singles is too safe but theyre also not lucrative enough to be considdered a endgame incentive in the least i think we could agree here. Altar is fine for what it is, not my cup of tea. Callisto is ass, wildy slayer i personally fw but i know a ton that simply do not. and with the player alarm plugin people are entirely to safe there too tbh.

[glacial gate]

Either quite honestly just seeing what others like about it besides pking.

At least hte ones who type in here

[latent relic]

I mean voidwaker pieces is the big one.

[tropic root]

I like the wildy altar because it halves the cost of training prayer while also being really fast and PKers rarely go there now and I can do it with almost no risk via death method

[glacial gate]

voidwakers like 40m

[latent relic]

For irons

[glacial gate]

they self imposed that restriction and i dont think it should be balanced around them.

[latent relic]

No but the two areas of frustration outside of the PvP community is clue steps and voidwaker pieces

[glacial gate]

just take a single invey of bones at a time lol its chill

[minor aspen]

I do all my slaying in wilderness, did 90-99 at rogues chest, do Callisto with clan sometimes - otherwise i don’t do anything else there but pk

[glacial gate]

yeah ill prob do rogue chest to 99 thiev. that one is good.

[latent relic]

Provide an alternative spec for voidwaker and remove wilderness clue steps and suddenly the wildy is a bit less controversial

[glacial gate]

fair but also why does it matter if you die naked for a clue. just drop the clue lol

i anti pk when i do clues but like ikik not everyones ready to try that

[tropic root]

I liked that rev bots could be pked for insane gp/h but that was only available for very specific account build pures who could attack them so I never did that

But TSN made a nice video on it or how to do rev caves normally

[latent relic]

With how many worlds there are I know I won't actually see another player anyways lol

[glacial gate]

i whooped a ton of rev bots in my day lol but i must say. Theyre a lot better now than ever lol

[latent relic]

But let's be honest I'm not doing clues

I think the new flail they are adding will be a viable alternative that would allow people to skip voidwaker if they wanted

[tropic root]

Oh I liked that I could get chaos ele pet almost without anyone ever attacking me

And the combat achievements

[glacial gate]

atp multi revs aint even that good we need something else

we gotta come up w/ some real shit

wildy godwars 2

[tropic root]

I mean the only options for the wildy are activity drops alchables or activity drops uniques

People don't like uniques for various reasons so that limits it to alchables.

I've even read PKer suggestions prefer consistent gain to make up for supply use and setbacks as opposed to rare big ticket drops.

But if they just make alchables the best gp/h in the game, eventually a new non-wildy boss will be released which earns better gp/h, thus invalidating the method.

Plus there's the whole economy can of worms

[glacial gate]

Drops an eternal ecumenical key or some shit. Or even a kc'ing specific weapon that gets triple kc or something idk.

[fast frost]

anyone wanna pk at ven dm me

[queen stone]

This sounds cooler than a wildy raid

[next sequoia]

I've been trying to get them to remove wilderness clue steps.

[next sequoia]

Economy is a garbage argument. I keep saying

Economy hasn't exploded with a revenant boss injecting raw cash into the game 24/7 since 2 february 2022. Can we please stop with the economy argument

[latent relic]

Yeah no one goes pking specifically to kill people doing clues.

You might happen upon someone doing them and kill them but you don't specifically hop worlds to find people doing clues

I don't think the added activity it brings is worth the negative reputation it adds to pkers

[next sequoia]

Does nothing for the benefit of pvp. Just makes people hate the wilderness even more.

99% of them risk nothing too

99% of people aren't smart enough to bring a clue box. Which is dumb if you ask me

[latent relic]

I don't want to attack someone doing a clue but I've gotten people's cash stack enough times it's worth attacking them lol

[next sequoia]

The amount of times I've seen people express hating the wilderness and voting no on polls because of them dying for their stupid clue scroll is ridiculous. That's all I see on reddit

[latent relic]

Pvm and profitable skilling content is is great for risk vs reward but there is no added reward given for risking your clue in the wildy

It's not like wildy steps give bonus loot or anything

Remove them or add wildy only clue scrolls

[next sequoia]

If they add wildy only clue scrolls.

What would the rewards/loot be?
What tiers would you have. (Hard, elite, master?)

Say they add a hard equivalent wildy clue. Imo the loot should be better than standard hard clue loot otherwise what's the point in doing wildy clues. Why take that risk

If they just make a hard tier clue that's the exact same loot as regular hard clues, why would someone want to do wildy clues over the safe regular hard clue

[jade ledge]

That's why I don't like beneficial resources being in there

[next sequoia]

Define beneficial resources. You mean pvm loot and skilling loot in the wilderness?

[jade ledge]

As unreal as it may sound, yes.

[next sequoia]

The wilderness's whole core identity since it's beginning has always been risk vs reward in my opinion.

People these days seem to want to refute that. Idk why.

If you look back at the origins of the wilderness, since it's very beginning it was a place for pvp combat but it was a place for some of the best money making options back then. Wilderness released in 2001 (that's literally rs classic days), and inside it had the only place in the game to mine the best ore in the game (runite) which created the best armor in the game, rune. Wilderness also has rune spawns (blood runes in deep wild, cosmic runes and chaos runes) All of that was really enticing back then and there wasn't really any ways to get those higher tier runes consistently.
It Had the king black dragon in 2002 and chaos elemental in 2006 the only way to get dragon med helm/dragon 2h.
And green dragons in the wilderness the only best in slot way to train prayer back then with dragon bones.
The deeper you went in the better rewards you found but the more dangerous it was.

Looking at those rewards through 2026 standards that's all junk but back then it was really good enticing items that brought players inside the wilderness.

Now let's go with some other people's arguments.

Some people want the wilderness to be gutted of all skilling, all pvm, and all resources and have the wilderness only be PVP. If we went that route, a lot of things begin to not make sense. What exactly would be the point of wilderness levels then?... All of a sudden the deeper parts of the wilderness do not have any meaning. Why would anyone go towards the end of the wilderness towards mage bank or way north if there's nothing out there at all? There would be no point to. Deep wild would be the same as low wild because it's all just empty, nothing enticing regardless of which direction you go. Nobody would have any hotspots or purpose to venture a certain way in hopes of finding other pvpers to come across. What would a pvper even want to do out that deep anyway? Just stand around?... Thats why we need hotspots and we need purpose and resources to contest over. Reasons to bring people out there. The concept of a wilderness food chain exists for a reason, and it's a real thing.

The only reason why people are so fed up with "loot pinata" updates is because (In my opinion) jagex has not designed the content WE CURRENTLY HAVE to be balanced and fair for all parties involved. Nor are they proposing new content to be fair and balanced for the pvmers and pvpers (mostly the pvmers) And because of that people have this preconceived notion of "PVM updates just don't work, they're all destined to fail!" When I believe jagex hasn't even experimented the concept of risk vs reward to it's full potential yet. Not even close.
The best thing we've had was multi revenants which was a massive success in 1: getting people to form groups organically and try out pvping AND pvming. 2: Creating an enticing hotspot enough where it remained active and had a low barrier to entry. 3: Was lucrative enough to be enticing and competitive with money making methods across the rest of the game (which was zulrah, vorkath, and chambers of xeric back then, I believe.)

[glacial gate]

Kill all clue scrollers

[latent relic]

https://tenor.com/view/head-shake-no-most-interesting-man-in-the-world-gif-14636085

[glacial gate]

completely destroys the ecosystem. people are dumb and feel forced to go wildy. you're not forced to do anything in runescape tbh.

[glacial gate]

attacking a dude in full barrows tank praying mage with 18 brews on him isn't balanced either but its just what it is lol

[naive ore]

the funny part is that many think they are forced to go to wildy for "high" gp/h moneymakers since non wildy moneymakers are too difficult

[next sequoia]

This was recent.

4 likes

Goes to show you that people agree with him

[fast cradle]

this

[wide crater]

Truthfully im sure the scales still tip towards spite voting no for pvp, but i dont think its as bad as it looks. I think part of the problem is how many people just dont vote.

Pkers specifically, i think its gotten to a point for a lot of us where we know the results already so ppl just dont bother, im sure we could change something if we got all our friends and clanmates to participate

[tropic root]

Most PKers probably have already quit the game like I did for the past decade knowing PvP was going nowhere

For the past decade I knew it was going to go nowhere and the reason would be because polls are antithetical to multiplayer PvP game balance on top of Jagex likely never going to make a fun enough active PvP minigame.

[glacial gate]

i mean we saw how many people played deadmanmode. not all of those were for the rewards.

[tropic root]

Deadman Mode is more alive than main game PvP

Ironically, Jagex does not need to poll every change they make to DMM

[next sequoia]

2026 will be another year of nothing for pvp. No updates.

And its wild how pvpers are Happy with recycled dmm every year and nothing else.

[tropic root]

Because it's better PvP than the main game

[glacial gate]

best dmm ever btw. Was the most fun ive had pking in YEARS

[next sequoia]

Because of no updates.

And dmm taking up limited dev resources and time

[tropic root]

Because the wilderness sucks

[jade ledge]

This DMM was a nice safe scape to get some reward points and purchase some rewards that go for mills lol

[next sequoia]

The wilderness sucks because of no updates. It's not any of the players fault.

[glacial gate]

i ran around in full crystal bowfa in multi lol. its fun.

[next sequoia]

Would people still be playing this game if they never updated pvm

No

[tropic root]

Btw what was the number of participants? I never looked into DMM because temporary game mode

[next sequoia]

You can't blame pvp being dead solely because people aren't interested in it. People aren't interested in it because WE DONT GET UPDATES

[glacial gate]

not sure i know max bracket was full and even had a rerun so theres 2k +- 1k that showed up second finale

[tropic root]

Nah I dislike the current wilderness because of the way risk is balanced

[glacial gate]

theres no incentive to go to wilderness and risk anything to fight any of the current content.

[inland marlin]

Hadn't played for like 8 months seriously. Came back, less than a week later I've cancelled my subscription. World hopping marathon and close to zero fights had in the wild. GG I will check updates every few months, godspeed whoever sticks around.

[glacial gate]

and no risking an avarice is not risking.

[next sequoia]

Ahhhhh. Entitely the argument I just said above. Well how about that

[tropic root]

I just woke up :D

[next sequoia]

😛

[tropic root]

Yea that's sort of it.

I'm fed up with loot pinata updates because they don't fix core problems of the Wilderness

And that's most of what they tried for 10 years and RS3 did exactly the same thing and ended up giving up and making PvP opt-in in the wilderness

OSRS:

Bounty Hunter will revive the Wilderness!
Revenant Caves will revive the Wilderness! (and have absolutely 0 side-effects)
Wilderness Bosses will revive the Wilderness!
Mage Capes will revive the Wilderness!
Wilderness Boss Rework will revive the Wilderness!
PvP Arena will help players learn to PvP and help revive the Wilderness!
Wrathmaw will revive the Wilderness!
Wilderness Slayer will revive the Wilderness!

RS3:

Demonic Skull will revive the Wilderness!
Wilderness Flash Events will revive the Wilderness!
Wilderness Warbands will revive the Wilderness!
WildyWyrm will revive the Wilderness!
PvP changed to opt-in in the wilderness will revive the Wilderness!

[glacial gate]

I think we'd all be pleasently surprised how adding a truly high end wilderness money maker could change things. Currently we do not have one even worth mentioning. Don't say bear because the max unique there is trash.

[next sequoia]

Let's see jagex throw a wilderness money maker that's a consistent 8M gp per hour and see if that revives the wilderness.

[next sequoia]

90% of the things you listed is just mediocre at best, bad money, buggy, one time unlock (mage capes), time gated bad design content, non-enticing wilderness slayer cave where they slapped all monsters crammed into 1 cave with bad loot and no fair escape options)

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here

It's just bad game design

[tropic root]

That is exactly what I'm saying

[next sequoia]

Its possible to design good and healthy, fair balanced content. Jagex just hasn't done it yet. In the entire history of the wilderness

[glacial gate]

imagine we had a wilderness doom.
I wouldn't type here at all id be busy.

[tropic root]

And yet they also can't just throw in a money printer due to the precedent set by Rev Caves

[next sequoia]

So what im saying is your "jagex has tried already with these updates, it DOESN'T work argument " doesn't hold up

[glacial gate]

why not. Outside wilderness has TONS of money printers

[tropic root]

Because if they could they would - but they don't because of the precedent set by Rev Caves

Jagex are the ones who tiptoe around the economy

[glacial gate]

were you around when rev caves got removed?

[tropic root]

We have the same argument. We are both saying their updates don't work because they weren't designed properly to work.

[tropic root]

I was reading into it but not playing at the time

I saw how active it was though

[glacial gate]

well me and venomous know the guy who p ushed its removal into mods ears lol

[tropic root]

Eh, I would be skeptical that just 1 guy got it into mod's ears. There was a community outcry about it at the time.

[glacial gate]

fun fact

[tropic root]

also there was the whole legal thing with Jed

[glacial gate]

only total level worlds were held down by clans. There were hundreds of other free worlds to frequent 😛

[next sequoia]

What precident? This dumb fear of protect clans locking down worlds? You'd be surprised to hear this, that's fixable too

[tropic root]

Ask Jagex about that

[glacial gate]

i participated actively in this because it wasn't against the rules.

[tropic root]

We all know they could just add a money printer into the Wildy and yes it would become popular, but there are reasons Jagex doesn't just do that willy nilly

[next sequoia]

Dumb reasons.

Fixable. Reasons

Economy is not a good reason

[tropic root]

yea we agree there

[next sequoia]

Look up drop tables at other bosses outside the wilderness

Come argue economy then

[glacial gate]

for raids 4 we're making the brand new items all a 20% drop rate per completion so we do not push to good of a money maker.

How stupid would that be?

omg clans will camp it!!!!

OMG BOTS!

We forgot about the botss!

[next sequoia]

Locking down isn't against the rules. The MASS amount of RWT and shady activities behind it WAS. How about banning those bad actors. Simple as that

To think every single world will be locked down to the point where a piece of content is impossible to do other than paying those groups is absolutely absurd.

Especially with the amount of worlds we have now compared to back then

[glacial gate]

agreed. i whole heartedly agree to ban rwt'ers botters, cheaters, fuck em!
But i also see to let the normal players do as we please within the rules 🙁

[glacial gate]

it wasn't even locked down badly back then either lmao

[iron cobalt]

Hey

[wide crater]

What do you do in the situations here where you are legitimately killing pvmers but getting mass reported for rwt and catch a ban? Only asking bc i saw today that it isnt just the bot scripts, there are legitimate ppl on social media bragging about this

[open grove]

to be fair wilderness slayer is incredible and probably one of the best ideas design wise, it just suffers from being part of slayer, where 80% of players will fang bloodvelds in the catacombs for 5k xp an hour and complain instead of using google

[wide crater]

Waddup bro welcome to pvpcord

[open grove]

I adore wildy slayer it's the only piece of wildy pvm that properly encourages risking

[glacial gate]

Hello welcome

[halcyon finch]

What if rs slowly started stepping away from using gear from outside of wildy and introducing new wildy only items

[tropic root]

nah, there is way too much equipment in the game for that to make sense

plus then it means everyone would use just the same few sets of things

[halcyon finch]

Pvm would no longer have to balance new items around pvp

[tropic root]

they already don't, many things work differently in pvm and pvp

Blowpipe, most powered staves, bulwark, justiciar

[halcyon finch]

The biggest reason ppl don’t start pking is fear of losing hard earned gp and gear

[tropic root]

that I agree

[halcyon finch]

The wildy is already dead

Nothing but megatrons roaming around in virtus masori looking for a snack

[tropic root]

I would agree with something like having Blighted Black D'hide + Rune + Mystic to give people the basic gear, but it's untradeable or cheap

But something like having Forgotten Warrior armors/weapons in the entire wilderness would be a lot more controversial, although I wouldn't be against that too

Statius, Zuriel, Vesta, Morrigans

Calamity Armor which was meant to be PvP only already failed a poll with people saying they don't want PKers to have more ways to kill PvMers, which I think is a bad reason

But the other reason was it's just superior to Voids in every way, which I think is a fair reason

[winged thorn]

I think you’d just see the megatrons in wildy armor, no? Especially if it gave you PvP buffs.

It would be fun as hell in multi though

[halcyon finch]

Well i just mean items that are specifically balanced for PvP. Like virtus is crazy strong, atl atl is crazy strong all these items that were made for pvm but theyre just way too scary for beginners in wilderness

[winged thorn]

Wouldn’t that just change the scary items something you can get freely from the ge / outside wildy to items that are scary that you can only get from wildy/pvp?

I’m not disagreeing I just think we are replacing 1 for another

[halcyon finch]

People should be able to spam wildy without worrying as much about resupplying gp n stuff

[tropic root]

hah... he would like the blessed suggestion

[winged thorn]

I think personally I am out of touch regarding gp loss w/ pking. I’ve clanned too long to care tbh. 500k is nothing to lose imo & folks shouldn’t worry about it

[tropic root]

that's a lot for a midlevel like me

[winged thorn]

Hard for me to fathom because 1 or 2 bot kills & you have 4 sets

[halcyon finch]

500k is like 20 mins of pvm

[tropic root]

I killed sarachnis for an hour, got 600k

I ain't at high level pvm yet

[halcyon finch]

I bet if u took a poll on why people dont try pvp most ppl would say they dont like losing coin

[tropic root]

Yes exactly

[winged thorn]

Yerr but giving them an out to lose nothing imo doesn’t fix anything

Everyone would take that option

[tropic root]

I thought his suggestion was more about making the wilderness more of a closed economy

and separating it from main game economy

[halcyon finch]

Yeah like equivalents to items

So maybe just as scary as an atlatl or virtus but dosnt cost 50m

[tropic root]

maybe we could... call them blighted items...

[winged thorn]

I still think that makes the ceiling incredible for a noob. How do they start with blighted virtus as a first time pker

[halcyon finch]

A virtus equivalent proll wouldnt be that easy to get

[tropic root]

yea lol

well

[winged thorn]

I’m not saying it would be. In fact, that’s why I’m saying it’s a flaw lol

How would this make it easier for the noob to engage

[halcyon finch]

The noob wouldnt see it as far out of reach i guess

Big reason virtus is at the price point it is is tied to pvm

[tropic root]

I actually had a serious thought to have Blighted Black Dhide/Rune/Mystic

And they would be untradeable, and alch for Blighted Coins which you can only use in death coffers for my Blessed Status suggestion

So wilderness mobs would drop these SOMETIMES instead of regular alchables - thus players would accumulate exactly the gear they'd use for basic PKing.

and wilderness mobs could drop Blighted Coins as a way to give their drops more value without impacting the main game economy.

[naive ore]

pvp version would also have extremely high prices for bis gear unless they are extremely common drops

[winged thorn]

I think no matter what, if you die, you need to lose some kind of monetary value.
During DMM, people HATED that you could 1 item with morrigans javs. Aren’t we kind of creating this situation where people have incredible dps for nothing?

[winged thorn]

Yea but virtus isn’t being used everyday in wildy except by streamers lol. Normal max pkers have been running around in barrows max for years

[tropic root]

only crazy people use max armor xD

[halcyon finch]

Even barrows sets are scary to use for most people

[tropic root]

those are certainly a lot more common though

[naive ore]

even mystic is scary to use for majority of people in wilderness

[winged thorn]

That’s the skill ceiling though. I know I’m not good enough atm to go out in singles in barrows max, I’m washed in single lmao. That’s how the Wiley keeps you humble imo

Like normal singles used to be a gear check

You knew you could get teamed on so you weren’t out in max max lmao

[tropic root]

are confliction gauntlets good in pvp

[winged thorn]

Idk. Whole thing is funky

[winged thorn]

Not better than b gloves

For PvP

[halcyon finch]

Let people spam mystic sets fuck it

[tropic root]

wouldn't the 2x accuracy effect be crazy in pvp?

[halcyon finch]

For hella cheap

[winged thorn]

Mystic is hella cheap tho

It’s like 120k lol

D hide is 14k

[halcyon finch]

I mean like a full load out mystics rcb d hide

[tropic root]

I can't afford to lose full rune

[halcyon finch]

A decent load out rn is like 5m

[winged thorn]

If you were only using mage yeah. Like for dmm finale some chose to use those gauntlets over b gloves. But you could argue that no tribrid stats & I believe less def stats aren’t helpful in multi outlast PvP

[tropic root]

oh I'm imagining more 1v1 haha

[icy elm]

it's not a 2x accuracy though? isn't it just rolling accuracy twice? like rolling 30% accuracy twice but not 60%. i could be wrong but that's what i thought until now

[winged thorn]

Your range & melee in comparison would be cheeks

[tropic root]

i switch glove :D

[naive ore]

rolls accuracy twice but only if you splash first and use same spell again

[winged thorn]

You’re mad

[tropic root]

one of the important things with PvP is that a casual player should be fine to experiment and fail :D

[winged thorn]

Definitely

[tropic root]

I'm wondering if confliction gauntlets tho would let me hit spells through ranged armor easier

like hella easier

[halcyon finch]

Yeah like even tho mystic sets r cheap noobs are gonna lose like 10 of them a day

Which becomes not cheap

[naive ore]

it would make landing freeze easier since double accuracy roll on 2nd cast if 1st cast splashes. just extremely expensive to bring

[icy elm]

that's relatable. Even If i try to be extremely cheap it adds up to 300k+ risk

[winged thorn]

300k 😭

[tropic root]

dw I ain't using confliction in the wilderness

[halcyon finch]

Plus pking in cheap gear puts you at a huge disadvantage

[winged thorn]

Did you guys play dmm? Or at least did you see the amount of ppl who complained about 1 item javs?

[tropic root]

I don't play temporary game modes but I can imagine that being annoying

[winged thorn]

I didn’t care personally it’s the game. But that’s what I think this will create

[naive ore]

95% accuracy naked morrigan jav spec that could hit 50+ and then bleed 40 damage

[tropic root]

lmao

[winged thorn]

I think adding cheap OP wildy gear will just create situations like that :v

[tropic root]

well it wouldn't be cheap tho

[winged thorn]

Then we are just replacing 1 expensive item for another

No matter what, the currency is going to be a grind for the noob!

[halcyon finch]

Yeah it doesnt have to be cheap just untying gear from pvm. It would shake out to prices that are fair

[tropic root]

his idea only works for PvP minigames, that's why they added Minigame Hybrid Armor in Pre-EoC

the wilderness sucks because you can't just do that :D

MHA was made to be competitive with Nex Armors which had +40 max hp

and give everyone a chance

god damn I want MHA back

[halcyon finch]

The wildy items prices would only be influenced by pvpers not pvmers thats the whole point im trying to make

[tropic root]

the real fix to PvP is to give us curses and chaotics

[winged thorn]

Hmm. Idk, I can’t fathom tbh. I think if done incorrectly it would just replace the meta & make the ceiling even higher.
I can’t think of items except for soul reaper axe that I would personally like to pk with but cba spending 300m on.
Other than that, idk if I can really think of items that aren’t balanced for their worth in the wildy

[naive ore]

I think the goal would be to make everything cheaper so people could run mystic/bloodbark varients with under 50k risk and barrows variants at 500-1000k risk. would make people run stronger gears but people would also make less money and ragging becomes easier

[winged thorn]

I mean we’re talking about 20 50k rag kills for an upgrade to the next tier in this example. Idk how that makes it easier for the noob learning

Sorry I hate to poo poo on the idea. I wanna promote ppl going wildy but idk if this is the way

[halcyon finch]

What about this as an example: virtus equivalent robes, only works in wildy and takes half as many hours to get

Comes from a new wildy boss or something

[winged thorn]

Tradeable?

[halcyon finch]

Sure, could be. Idk im just spitting out ideas

Make it drop a bunch of ironman supps

[winged thorn]

I mean heck it what am I saying. If it brings food to wildy for me let’s get it

I just wanna battle. let’s run it if that’s the end result

[tropic root]

well let's expand this idea

the premise of blighted rune/mystic/bdhide and blighted coins was a closed wildy economy / progression system for people who just want to do wildy

so if you collect a lot of blighted armor sets, that becomes gear you can use in wildy and don't have to worry about losing it

and if you collect enough of those drops, you can buy slightly better stuff, like blighted barrows sets or something equivalent

and if you really go up that ladder you can get blighted virtus, torva, pernix

you would be able to climb this ladder more feasibly than being able to actually afford non-blighted equivalents, and it won't hurt as much to lose this gear

this has the benefit that certain wilderness enemies can have more value to their drops, but without affecting the main game economy

[winged thorn]

All that would need to be added imo is a way for the “blighted” gp to be made accessible for the main game economy. I think without that you’d have a pretty big gripe from those who do pk wildy primarily for their “main game” upgrades like pvm stuff etc

[halcyon finch]

I mean, would anyone be mad if more people started coming to altar with virtus/bowfa tier gear that just costs half as much?

[tropic root]

you would have a mix of alchables/maingame drops like voidwaker

[winged thorn]

It depends who you ask

[tropic root]

that's why my original suggestion was only to provide blighted of the basic equipment

[halcyon finch]

Yeah, you make less of a bag per kill. But at least ur getting fights

[tropic root]

that is antithetical to the point of blighted coins

I think main game equipment should still be important in any PvP

blighted things are just welfare gear/items

[winged thorn]

I understand. Existing pkers would possibly revolt over their money making method being taken. Thinking about it, that’s kinda what they did to us already with multi revs

[tropic root]

imagine the money makers are not reduced at all and blighted is added ON TOP of the existing gp/hr

so the premise of Blighted Coins is that they would be 1:1 with normal coins for the Blessed Status death coffer fees

blighted rune/mystic/bdhide can be sacrificed for alch price to death coffers, or alched for blighted coins

that means it would all go into directly funding a player to engage with the wilderness more and cover their cost of dying partially, without having to sacrifice as much of their real GP to cover deaths

it's to turn the basic interactions of the wilderness into more of a positive sum game than negative sum game

[halcyon finch]

Wasnt there a game jam idea for some kind of team pvp minigame

[winged thorn]

The money makers wouldn’t be rescued as far as pker hunting pvmer. But I think it’s drastically reduced when it’s PvP, no?

[winged thorn]

Hell yeah it was called multi revs

My bad I had to joke seriously, I don’t recall

[tropic root]

That's the caveat of blessed, but with something like blessed I'm sure a lot more people would be willing to go into the wildy

Having nobody in the wildy is also a lot worse for PvP :)

[tropic root]

I have a 6v6 pvp arena suggestion 7 years ago

[winged thorn]

Agree. If it brings ppl to wildy idm

[tropic root]

one of the other caveats of blighted coins is that it's mainly useful for blessed players

it is useful for skulled and 3itemers who get killed by a blessed player though, as that gives them death coffer death

[winged thorn]

Can’t wait to be ragged by unskulled vesta sword & kill him for 22k but at least it’ll be a fight

[tropic root]

well with rag skull you will get his vesta sword

or if they risk 100k you'll get that :D

[winged thorn]

It’s quickly changed to me now being the fella in 1 item vls w/ 100k risk

[tropic root]

better than 0 risk

that makes me think though

the rag skull thing was meant to be a 100k minimum risk system

but what if it were something like your minimum risk needs to be 1% your unrisked gear

so

currently:

I can rag with vesta sword with 0 risk (skulled with protect item)

rag skull 100k minimum: (forced to high-risk rag skull)

I can rag with vesta sword with 100k risk, or else I'm risking the vesta sword (50m)

rag skull 1% minimum: (forced to high-risk rag skull)

I need 500k minimum risk or else I'm risking the vesta sword (50m)

rag skull is based on your risk if you are skulled with protect item on, and appears if you initiate attack on someone (like normal skulling)

so I could wear a Dharocks top (800k) to prevent the rag skull

then if I'm 3iteming and retaliate, I lose nothing, but if I initiate attack on someone, I'm risking 800k or potentially 50.8m (skull with protect item)

---

the fairer it gets the harder this gets to calculate lol, also protect item and 3item vs skull vs 4item make these numbers vary greatly

@winged thorn are you following this lol

I think I'm done calculating

I might keep this idea, Blessed Status was already meant to do the same kind of thing too with the 1%-5% death fee

[wide crater]

this. even for pvm randy you can make 30m pretty easy in a couple hours at any mid/late game boss. 60 return sets right there

[tropic root]

where in the world are you getting 30m/h

genuinely confused what you mean by that

[wide crater]

brother you can get a decent venge/bolt setup with dds for like 80k

[tropic root]

there's another problem of the wildy, it's not obvious what gear to use for everyone

if you're really new

[wide crater]

i mean im not advocating using a setup like that in any kind of real nh fight, but with a 50-80k setup anyone can def go out and get kills. just if you get attacked by anyone good, youre gonna die still

[halcyon finch]

No one wants to pk in rcb mystics either its not fun and puts u at a huge disadvantage against good pkers that are geared

[tropic root]

lotta people still do it though

[halcyon finch]

Hitting 50 0s in a row and splashing every frz is very unfun and unproductive

[wide crater]

yes but one major fact about the wilderness is that youre gear isnt gonna save you. idc if youre rocking full masori and torva, at some point, youre going to die. if youre learning its better to do it in affordable gear until you master mechanics

[halcyon finch]

Zero ko potential ur just a punching bag for better pkers

Cant even really practice because ur spamming brews and splashing constantly

[tropic root]

the point is you would fight other noobs doing the same thing

and with mirror gear you won't splash as much

[wide crater]

brother my normal singles set is blessed hides, bloodbark and either korasi or ags. decent set and i have gotten sat by kids in moonclan with an ags

point being i agree with you, but those gear upgrades dont need to happen until you have some idea of what your doing. mystics and black dhide are fine starters

[halcyon finch]

I get it but this is th mentality people have about pking, its what stops people from trying it at all

[winged thorn]

I was headlocked. I think I’d have to see it in practice to fully understand how it would work & its pros / cons

[wide crater]

thats absolutely not true. i can promise splashes still happen and its mad frustrating lmfao. i had some fights with a guy recently, i was in better gear, and i caught 3 freezes out of 20 attempts lmfao. rng can be a real bitch sometimes

[halcyon finch]

I dont think everyone should have virtus and bowfa right away but d hides and mystics is too squishy/ not enough dmg potential for learning

[jade ledge]

a cheap med gear is like 200k

[winged thorn]

So the only thing we haven’t really talked about is the affect this would have in multi

Imagine 40 ppl in your rag op dps setup; is this the goal?

[wide crater]

ive read some of your talking points about multi and needing to have SOME risk regardless, how do you feel about the squall robes

[winged thorn]

Free rag gear ty lol

[wide crater]

right, its good for the user, but being the one fighting a rag clan using them lol

[tropic root]

what are squall robes

[winged thorn]

Do you even get gp if you kill someone using them? I’ve never paid attention

[wide crater]

quest robes, you dont lose them when you die lmao

[halcyon finch]

I dont want op 500k sets i want gear that only functions in wildy and or against other players to better reflect the value said gear has for pkers

[wide crater]

no lol. only whatever else they have

[winged thorn]

That’s where we are headed

[tropic root]

wow they're real

and they have 0 stats

[wide crater]

they have some mage bonus but basically it. ultimate rag setup. thats why i brought em up is kinda how this conversation seems to be going with the untradeables

[tropic root]

eh it's really tiny mage bonus, I dunno how that counts as rag as it's like wearing monk robes

[wide crater]

thats why its rag, rag is literally fighting with minimal risk. nobody wants to fight back bc its not worth it

[tropic root]

yea so it's the same as having nothing on

[jade ledge]

rather wear ghostly

more bonus and simple to get