pvp-discussion

[brazen fox]

Ye surge sacks are a pain to get

There’s only rly a couple hour window each day to find official duels as well

[glacial gate]

idk why i even get surge sacks honestly. Out of the 700 hops i do daily maybe 3 of the people are real players that dont auto teleport.

i miss multi revs yall

and dont get me started on emirs arena rankings

who in the world came up with that system

boy oh boy you know whatd be cool. If we put up a fighting your own bots leaderboard

Rank 1 gets you a whole ________

[brazen fox]

😂 yeah I don’t think anyone except messiah pays attention to the ranks

Only time I did official duels was to get one imbue scroll on my iron

[glacial gate]

like bro odablock could beat rank 1 pvp arena in bronze and on shrimps

while logged out

[wooden basin]

Yeah i feel like people who dont pk go to pvp arena

[glacial gate]

found the dang johnny iron lmao

[glacial gate]

send the dang noobs there that need a tutorial

[wooden basin]

I guess unless you're going for those sacks

[glacial gate]

you get a free training dummy every minute.

[glacial gate]

yeah theyre super nice. they hit nearly as hard as a rune crossbow by adding on 3m risk to your set w/ a smoke battlestaff/occult swap

[wooden basin]

Thats not bad

[brazen fox]

Mmm

[glacial gate]

better than risking a parch each time i guess lol

[brazen fox]

There are some good pkers that go there for sure

But never ranked duels

But there are some ppl that don’t rly do wikdy pk and just enjoy nh stake setups

It’s diff thing rly

[wooden basin]

Yeah thats what i meant

[brazen fox]

One is ko one is outlast

[glacial gate]

whipping 5m ----- 2/3

[wooden basin]

I dont see the mini game framed suggests being that magical bridge that everyone is looking for

[glacial gate]

i think framed is awesome

but i think the idea was doodie from my perspective.

but i think it could be morphed into something good.

[brazen fox]

U should try nh stake sometime it’s surprisingly technical

Like a lot of little details in it

[brazen fox]

Agree

[glacial gate]

my brother i nh on the daily. the whole staking part is the set im wearing.

[brazen fox]

Ye I mean we don’t stake gp

[glacial gate]

you tech do in wildy because of your set type shit

[brazen fox]

It’s just what the type of setup gets called cuz ppl used to stake it in back in the day

Ye big reason not many ppl do it these days

Just for funsies rly

Except the ocassional big tourney

[glacial gate]

its just clan wars portal with free supplies

which i guess thats cool lol

[brazen fox]

https://youtu.be/gW4tNPE53m8?si=MsZROFoiy4vqZpUp

Was a couple months ago now 😭

[glacial gate]

they had to put a 1b prize pool to make anyone care XD

[brazen fox]

Ye they do

Urironically

Most top top guys don’t come for less than that

I think Oda did way bigger before

[scarlet tree]

There’s smaller tournaments more often, a lot of good ppl still go to those
Complete demons

[brazen fox]

Ye he did 100b before

[glacial gate]

Dang they did a tournament at the dead content bot farm before. thats cool and i know lol.
But we talkin bout frameds idea i thought. idk im cooked tbh

[brazen fox]

Ye I think honestly if u tried it you’d be surprised at the skill involved in it

Boaty talked about it in podcast but like a lot of the wildy streamers would get completely smoked there

Ye ig it got derailed lmao

I mean framed idea I feel like could be part of pvp arena anyway

Reliably get surge sacks and imbue

Without dealing with auto leave bots

[glacial gate]

yeah like i was just sayin oh wow you can have fights there. you can do the same exact thing beside the ge type shit lmao. its nothing different except they dont risk anything whatsoever. Its weenie hut junior pvp lmao

most of the anti pker hater rhetoric is based off people who lost their spade or some shit and made big reddit posts lol

omg why is wilderness mandatory for ironman

like bro. its not

[brazen fox]

I mean there r def people that’d happily take ur gp 🤣

[glacial gate]

as i do with others every day 😄

[brazen fox]

Yh literally like idk voidwaker is so mid on iron

[glacial gate]

and nah i aint the best but i also aint scared to lose a set lol

[wooden basin]

Exactly

[brazen fox]

No real reason to go wildy otherwise

[glacial gate]

oh no you beat me. anyways LOL

[brazen fox]

Yh I feel like it’s more thematic there and I think some changes and I don’t rly see the harm in it

Letting ppl get imbues and sacks without dealing with matchmaking system

[glacial gate]

the mm system is so stupid there lol

[scarlet tree]

The base idea itself solid
Forsure need the weenie hut junior stuff…everyone starts there
It’s hard to throw ppl into deep waters n expect masses to want to continue
I’d personally rather have it off to the side in the wildy, like a ferox….but yah it doesn’t have to be

[glacial gate]

oh btw you're a pure this match! WOOHOO im gonna be the forfeiter now

[wooden basin]

Move emir's arena to wildy, add frameds suggestion to it. Boom dont have to spend dev time creating a whole new mini game

[glacial gate]

at some point people just need to boss up and give it a shot lol

you dont get better at doing chambers of xeric by killing brutus.

[scarlet tree]

That’d be the moooove

[glacial gate]

you dont get better at tob by chopping yew trees

[wooden basin]

Yeah the stuff for practicing is there

[glacial gate]

its a totally off base cry arguement

just imo obv

wow i can't get better at pvp by running agility laps! WE NEED AN INTEGRATION

have you ever tried simply dbowing a dude in multi with your boys

[wooden basin]

Funny enough, my buddy does... anti pking at wildy agility 😂

[glacial gate]

you know what. good example.

[wooden basin]

Bros going for 99 there

The keys he pulls in are crazy

[glacial gate]

lotta noobs up there in sets they aren't certified for lol

BUT

they are TRYING, they are learning. And they aren't in these forums crying there isn't a pvp sandcrab boss either.

[brazen fox]

Ye boi nox evilace

[wooden basin]

Yeah lol

Love that dude

[brazen fox]

Yee used to see him a lot

That’s how I got into pking lmao

Made like 2b smiting the raggers that come in snakeskin hally and stuff

🤣

[wooden basin]

Lmfaooo

[glacial gate]

now heres an idea

what if you could sign up to attack the noob

its 4 npcs and YOU

[wooden basin]

I used to go with him. One time we had a team show up trying to pic us both off. We almost killed 2 of the 3 of them but they kept rotating us and just ran down our inv

[glacial gate]

idk i think a lotta this could be remedied with having friends and shit

but ik that aint happening LOL

[brazen fox]

Wait til u see the gear I smited a vls in

😂

[glacial gate]

yep lmaooo was finna say bolt rag didnt expect the addy cbow though

[wooden basin]

Bros naked lmao

[glacial gate]

mans going rendual mode out there u gotta stop that

[brazen fox]

Lmfao

Ye I only did it a few times for lulz

[glacial gate]

guessing you get the reference LOL

[brazen fox]

Ofc

Bros an npc

I got clip where he told me wildy nfs

And I 3 hit him

[glacial gate]

99 of his 100 accounts at a time are but we aint gonna talk bout that

[brazen fox]

😂

[brazen fox]

Yh I think this is a big thing actually

Also why I think agility fc do gods work for the wildy

We kinda provide that for random people for a lil bit

Then they can make friends and fly off into the wider wildy

[glacial gate]

its kinda hard to find pking friends without going out and attempting to pk and meeting people n shit though fr i def can get that

granted albeit even my pvm clan goes and does pvp sweeps

[brazen fox]

Ye the game kinda evolved into a spot where soloing everything is fine

So people aren’t rly in clans and stuff sometimes

Kinda end up isolating themselves and complaining about group content and struggle to get into wildy stuff

[glacial gate]

if people choose not to socialize though do they deserve to enjoy the experiences of multi with friends though is kinda part of it too

they're doing it to themselves lol

like rs could make an official open cc but i think we all know how well that would go LOL

[brazen fox]

100% I think the games a lot more fun with friends and I think ppl should try it

[glacial gate]

like pull up on a sparc mac stream or something

he cleared me and my boys on deadmanmode at corp so you know what we did

joined his damn cc and started clearing people w/ him lol

maybe an introduction into pvp isn't even necessarily the thing people need like theyre thinking.
Maybe its literally this channel here and people making connections and giving it a shot

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brazen fox]

Ya it’s only been couple weeks but we already seen a bunch of ppl asking questions and stuff

My boy joshi also does multi Monday streams

Can just join em and go in cheap af sets

Gets used to attacking ppl

Def recommend not taking a +1 into multi til u learn to not get maced tho 😂 😂

Ik teal got me on a target list for telling ppl about orb

[glacial gate]

highly doubt that. Teal has anti orb tech thats the real thing they dont want you to know 😛

Oh no targets on me now 😛

[granite sphinx]

thank god honestly, orb tech has always been kinda cringe

[glacial gate]

if i know how to do it. Wonder how many others do 🤔

i actually learned watching a rot video ❤️

very informational!

[brazen fox]

Setting tech to counter the counter orb tech tho no?

[brazen fox]

Ye it’s kinda op

U can kinda just stand around in multi chillin with it

[glacial gate]

Not sure how to answer this but i can completely stop you from using an orb 😛

[brazen fox]

One guy rly rly rly wanted to get me maced one day but I just stood there in multi and clicked orb any time I saw a freezer come by

They just ran away

[glacial gate]

and it only takes 1 tick to setup. But im pretty good at it.

[brazen fox]

Like 5 times

[brazen fox]

Hmmm

I thought u were referring to heal other now am confused

[glacial gate]

no. heal other is tech though 😛 so make sure accept aid is off.

But im talking i can completely stop you from being able to orb whatsoever.

[brazen fox]

Okay damn that’s new info for me

[glacial gate]

advanced tech 500m and ill teach you

[wooden basin]

D spear?

[glacial gate]

nope you can still orb out of d spear 😄

theres tick delay and you can orb down enough inbetween

[wooden basin]

https://tenor.com/view/rutogalore-batman-thinking-contemplating-hmm-gif-20981309

[glacial gate]

you guys arent going to guess it

it took me a LONG TIME to figure it out

and its definitely an intended game mechanic

just go hit your orb everywhere in the world you might find some janky interactions 😛

or idk pay me 500m

😏

[wooden basin]

[glacial gate]

made myself enough of a target though but yeah. your +1 aint safe teehee

[wooden basin]

Ham joint

[glacial gate]

nope 😄

[wooden basin]

Reeeeeeee

[glacial gate]

but i like your thinking!

but its WAYYYY off

i mean i could think of one way you could learn easily

ehh nvm 😛

[wooden basin]

Dont say it if you're literally at risk of target :p

[glacial gate]

yep

[wooden basin]

Ill eventually figure it out

[glacial gate]

skull up in ely ill show you XD or they will

its gonna cost about 500m regardless how y ou do it

[glacial gate]

figure i should say this. Tech nfs to anti-rot

[wooden basin]

Yeah theres definitely a lot of them out there

[glacial gate]

tbf even if they knew they couldnt stop it XD

[winged thorn]

[glacial gate]

dont keel me

[wooden basin]

You know we're best buds ;p

[winged thorn]

I love PvP & wanna support anyone who wants to engage in it

[glacial gate]

https://tenor.com/bnuJy.gif

[wooden basin]

Mans turned into a politician for a brief second

[winged thorn]

My views & opinions don’t necessarily reflect etc

[glacial gate]

we're all our own individuals brother nothing wrong w/ that.

My views and opinions dont reflect my clan either i feel you on that.

[latent relic]

If you know it's coming you can be already orbed down enough to keep it. Depending on position though and location sometimes you just sol lol.

[glacial gate]

gl with that XD

[minor aspen]

someone come pk with me bh world south revs, bunch of noob pures but im solo

[jade ivy]

I'm trying pvp arena for the first time. How come my volatile nightmare staff doesn't keep it's auto cast between weapon switches? I keep trying to hit them with it instead of barraging

[void folio]

Haven't gone pking since the og days. Tell me, chatroom, how screwed am I if I go in blind on a baby pure?

[hollow fiber]

u risk next to nothing on a pure

[void folio]

Kinda what I was thinking too

Also was thinking as I progress the account it'll probably end up as some sort of 50def thing that occasionally trolls pve as well.

[inner dew]

The autocast setting is remembered, unless you equip a staff that cannot autocast the chosen spell, you equip a staff while in a PVP area, or you die while the staff is equipped and it goes to your gravestone.

[jade ivy]

Volatile can auto cast ancient. It unset when switching to scimmy or xbow

[inner dew]

yeah i think its cos autocast is nerfed in pvp

i dont know why it seems like somethin they could add without breaking anything

[untold prawn]

hello gang

[tropic root]

It's forgetting autocast in PvP because Jagex is clinging on to the archaic idea that staves used to always work like that, so PvPers learned how to navigate the interface to get around it, and if they make it remember autocast it will devalue the skill of PvPers who are used to how it always was

It's an old system that raises the skill floor of PvP, benefiting veterans of the game while making it harder for newer players to get into it :)

[fast cradle]

new players could always learn to alt + F4 instead right @tropic root

save them learning to F4

😉

[tropic root]

I'd rather PvP be something better for new players to get into than tell them not to try

[fast cradle]

sounds like you'd rather spoon feed

jagex would never change such mechanic

lmao.

[tropic root]

They did in Pre-EoC times

And it was fine

[fast cradle]

they also brought in EoC

those same people

😄

[tropic root]

and you see how this conversation is going nowhere

[fast cradle]

why make pvp easy scape

its pvp for a reason

not boss killing

[tropic root]

Well, do you care about reasons why people do or don't get into PvP or not

[fast cradle]

this isn't going to make people get into pvp lol...

[tropic root]

Autocast isn't the biggest thing but the refusal to look at or care about why people don't get into PvP, is why PvP is dying

The mentality that people should just quit trying instead of trying to make it more appealing is why it's dying

[fast cradle]

i played when runescape didn't have F-keys

[tropic root]

So did I

[fast cradle]

i learned to click magic spell book

then click spell

then click player

[tropic root]

And so did I

And FKeys were a great addition

[fast cradle]

so why do mechanics need changing again.....

sounds like a braindead idea

theres a skill gap for a reason..... practice makes perfect

in 1-2tic i can do a 6way switch fkey to prayers

[tropic root]

You're already set in your belief about it, I'm not really here to convince you about that one because you're right in it not being the biggest problem of PvP

But I could likewise say your mindset of not trying to think about fixing things and just telling people to not get into PvP is a braindead idea

[fast cradle]

and click the spell to attack

the player

where have i told people to not get into PvP

the fact is if they want to practice

they will

[tropic root]

You literally pinged me to say people should Alt+F4 and close the game instead

[fast cradle]

clearly not the brightest individual

[tropic root]

Yea you aren't

[fast cradle]

my point being if they dont want to learn to press F4

they could always just close the game entirely instead

😄

[tropic root]

And our conversation just went into a circle

Anything else?

[fast cradle]

i'm a rich good looking successful individual

anything else?

this idea is a non starter so i've just de-bunked and put it to bed

goodnight.

[tropic root]

lmao

[brazen fox]

Autocast isn’t rly something u want to learn with even if you could

It’d make things harder not easier

[tropic root]

I used to almost exclusively do PvP in 2010 RS2 and saved autocast definitely made things easier for me.

I'd need some elaboration on how it would make anything harder.

Unless you mean if they had saved autocast in minigames but not in Wildy, then yea, that'd be inconsistent and make learning with one system not transfer what you learned to other parts of the game xD

[inner dew]

well autocast only uses 1 spell

[tropic root]

you can still cast manual from spellbook no?

[inner dew]

he prob mean u learn manual cast faster if u dont have auto at all

[tropic root]

yea that's true

[inner dew]

the resizing/layout also doesnt work fully in pvp i think which is perhaps more questionable

i forget how exactly

[tropic root]

Yea when I heard about that I was like wtf, that's completely backwards that we can't choose how we want our own interface to be like but only in PvP

Letting people have their preference doesn't hurt other player's muscle memory of how the menus are

That's like if I couldn't choose my crosshair and mouse sensitivity in CS:GO

Because other players like it a certain way

[inner dew]

i do like in some old shooters you have very limited FOV, makes it alot more possible to flank people

sometimes the restrictions are good things

but not always obvious why

[tropic root]

yea more FoV lets you see more around you, so there is always a set range or restriction

otherwise people literally set crazy FoV levels that let them see a lot more around them

then it's a matter of the developer deciding on what they want it to be like

[brazen fox]

Left click with staff to perfectly follow and close distance is soooooo useful and u give that up
It encourages people to just afk stand there auto casting and they’d die real fast standing in robes
It’s pretty antithetical to the idea that you’re attacking for a tick, then you got some time, then you’re picking another attack style to use which is key imo
You’d also end up casting in D’hide if ur late on swaps
Wildy brew fights u normally need to use more than 1 spell (barrage + blitz for ex) but if ur used to autocast you’d find that very awkward

If your opponent was trying to escape and you were trying to freeze them they’d get gap with a PID swap

Because you’d be 10 tiles away from the outset and they’d PID gap you

If you left click them with staff to follow then cast you have several casts before ur 10 tiles

[tropic root]

Oooh, that's a trick I haven't heard of in 22 years of playing Runescape lol.

Back in 2010 when we had saved autocast, I did rely on the saved autocast and I would just run up to the player manually.

I thought it might be stuff like that just I didn't know what exactly

I appreciate the explanation!

[tropic root]

I think I don't know what you mean by needing more than one spell. I thought that meant alternating between Ice and Blood or something.

Is there some mechanic to casting Blitz after Barrage?

Is that different from casting barrage from a distance and running up with a melee spec so it stacks?

[brazen fox]

Yeah so if ur brew fighting you’ll typically barrage -> brew -> blitz -> brew -> bolt

[inner dew]

if stats are drained the autocast would just stop working yea 💀

[brazen fox]

Even in lms typically you blitz when brewed down

Even tho u can blitz restore

[tropic root]

oh yea lol. I used to no-life PvP exclusively in minigames so I never had that problem often

I was never a fan of LMS but I haven't tried it since the new reward shop change

and the instancing of it to its own world or whatever

[brazen fox]

Yeah it’s def a useful place to learn to swap ur gear and get the manual cast muscle memory down

But ig some people enjoy soul wars instead

[tropic root]

That's me lol

Does current LMS give you an alternate save file?

Like the PvP Arena

[brazen fox]

Yee

Well

[tropic root]

Yea in that case I absolutely hate the idea of it lmao

[brazen fox]

Not a complete new save

Ur settings are maintained but ur stats change

[tropic root]

But separate from your main game

yes

[brazen fox]

Yh

[tropic root]

different stats + items

yea I don't like that at all

it doesn't let me know how strong or weak my actual account is

[brazen fox]

Yee that’s fair pros and cons rly

[tropic root]

But

It makes sense for what LMS itself is

Battle Royale mode lol

[brazen fox]

It lets people try stuff out eith any stats and have matched fights

But on the other hand nobody pking in inq skirt

[tropic root]

yea xD

[brazen fox]

Soul wars is good but the avatar rushers cringe me out ngl

Masori Ely

[tropic root]

xD

[brazen fox]

Surely they can’t be having fun

[tropic root]

in 2010 Soul Wars was the #1 thing I did in runescape

when I was bored with quests and skilling and pvm

[brazen fox]

It’s still crazy popular tbf

That’s kinda what happened with me nd pking

[tropic root]

that's good!

I am very glad they did the reward zeal differently

[brazen fox]

Tried it out and was like damn this is way more engaging than finishing 99 crafting on my iron

[tropic root]

Soul Wars was my #1 place to practice bridding and spec combos for fun

I miss minigame hybrid armor and even though it looked ugly I miss the void knight defender

[brazen fox]

Yee it’s good I did spend like an hour in there tryna get used to atlatl

And maul-vw combo

Def v useful for that

[tropic root]

I recently heard about that Calamity Armor that apparently was going to be a PvP arena reward.

Looking at it more closely... what was the difference between it and Void Knight Equipment? xD

[brazen fox]

I think it’s just a worse version lmao idk tho

I never seen anyone use that

[tropic root]

It looks to me like literally the same but reskinned. I guess the Calamity Armor was more defense but no damage bonus?

[brazen fox]

Ah ye maybe that was it

[tropic root]

It is locked into the PvP arena... tho I dunno if they use it in there

[brazen fox]

Void still super strong btw

Nah nobody uses that

[tropic root]

haha

welp

Jamflex

Or honestly, I can't say Jamflex anymore. The community votes on every change.

[glacial gate]

im honestly fiending for more dmm

[ocean kraken]

Tournament format needs to change, but I had a ton of fun with DMM this time around. It was the first one I actually participated in

[latent relic]

Dmm was fun, just wish the finale ended with singles fights instead of multi for the final area

[autumn crag]

hi there, i had a question about the dmma finale if anyone can help

[ocean kraken]

#dmm-annihilation is probably a better channel to ask in

[autumn crag]

thank you so much

[brazen fox]

Would love if it was 1v1s

Maybe with set supplies

Restocked every fight

[latent relic]

could restock your starting supplies

prior to singles fight

[ocean kraken]

Large teams to alleviate the plebians could still work, but 2,000 people in Daimon's crater is a joke. The only strategy is "don't end up in a barrage pile". One idea is more teams (maybe 10-20 instead of two), and to have the entire Wilderness as an arena. To move on, require dealing at least 250 total damage as well as dealing the killing blow on at least one opponent, or being in the final 100. Fog still closes in, but the team phase should be digestible if we even have a team phase at all.

Though, honestly, doing like 11 rounds of singles is more straightforward and is a better representation of who deserves to win Deadman Mode

[winged thorn]

Everyone yells for singles final but it always blows up & ppl then demand for them to never do a singles version

Classic dmm was always a baragge fight to the death in multi

[ocean kraken]

singles shouldn't even be that difficult to implement, lol. they have the bounty hunter system; just make the winner the first person to a T10 emblem

[winged thorn]

Can’t comment on this finale bc I didn’t play but even using the clan wars map “plateau” would’ve been a better option

[brazen fox]

Id def rather it be based on skill on some level rather than telegrab/heal other tech

[latent relic]

The problem with multi is it turns into a battle of the tanks and who can survive the fog the longest.

Do multi start on random teams like this year. Have the singles portion starts when there are 64 players remaining. When the singles portion starts reset their gear and supplies to what it was at the beginning of the multi portion. They get randomly assigned to an opponent and after each round reset their gear. It would be 6 rounds of singles fights with a single winner in the end.

[wide crater]

I like this idea except for the inventory reset. I have never met anyone that uses the same setup in singles vs multi but it would be interesting to see how people adapt their playstyle tho tbh

[brazen fox]

Mfw teal tried to mace my boy last night

[winged thorn]

What! Me?? Never

[latent relic]

A few people pking at wildy bosses last night. Where were you pking?

[brazen fox]

I wasn’t on but they were trying to mace at agility course

[latent relic]

Ahh yeah i hear crazy people skull with Ely's there

[brazen fox]

It’s very rare 😂

[mighty rover]

whats up with the random low levels idling in pvp world banks not engaging the banks? are they bots? Do they do anything?

[glacial gate]

prob a lotta scouts

lookin for those pvp hcim bounties

[latent relic]

Scouts maybe looking for PvP HCIM

[glacial gate]

dang where have i heard that before 🤔

[brazen fox]

Ye also ppl just scouting pvmers that use pvp world

[latent relic]

Le Moi is still going isn't he?

Probably looking for him

[low mesa]

Why is there a 40 man team with ancient maces killing people for 300k loot lol? What is the split on a kill like that 😂

[daring epoch]

oh man this seems like a bad time to hunt for bots. can hardly find much lol

[modern nymph]

Probs sparc mac lol

[jade ledge]

Think rot

[winged thorn]

[glacial gate]

a common problem is that people think clans care.
From a clan that isn't the one hitting you.
We do not care.

[latent relic]

Usually they aren't looking for 300k loot

[celest notch]

hey all looking to get into pking on a baby pure to start and work my way up any tips are welcome

or clans willing to teach a noob

[minor parcel]

Check out the clans in #1170031373038403674

[untold prawn]

That's not very active

[minor parcel]

Looks active to me, thats the last time they were bumped.

[untold prawn]

same 10 clans spamming their threads

[minor parcel]

They cant spam, there's slowmode on all the threads

what does active mean if not them sending messages in the thread to show they are active?

[untold prawn]

Well yeah but the engagement is mainly the same person that posted

[minor parcel]

because its easier to track bumps that way, thats just how people bump threads

[untold prawn]

ok

pvm vs pvp thread pvp thread is not active

obviously a lower amount of people pk

but yeah

[minor parcel]

I respect being so pvp brained even the clan recrutiment threads are pvp to you

[tropic root]

When people talk about combat brackets in pvp are they just talking about pures zerkers and mains or is it deeper than that

[inner dew]

wilderness levels, pvp world brackets, bh brackets and DMM has unique brackets too

pvp world is 15 lvls, bh is 5 lvls. apparently u can optionally do 10 or 15 lvls in bh, but idk if thats an actual thing ppl bother doing

maybe lvl 126 do since no downside xd

[brazen fox]

What combat lvl?

[glacial gate]

126 Gang!

main pking is the most fun to me. But i respect that others enjoy their other builds.
Just dont cater the game to giving them every single update because they choose to limit themselves just like ironmen 😛

[scarlet tree]

Don’t think the game caters much at all to pvp specific builds honestly

Caters to irons n med progressed accs n sometimes happens to give certain builds a decent wep/armor

Feel like the wilderness can do with some catering
Like give the little larrans chest something -maybe that’s stackable- that the big larrans chest doesn’t or more of than the big larrans since it’s in multi
The exit caves have decent mechanics, but pretty noticeably rough on a 1-20 def acc
Scaling the dmg there could probly make sense
Little shit like that

[minor aspen]

Baby pures aren’t super meta rn so i don’t think you’d find much action outside of maybe bh or GE. South revs i see some low levels every now and then. What do you need tips on exactly?

[brazen fox]

If ur below like 65 combat u can try antipking for agility fc if u want, most of the raggers are max combat and wont be able to hit u, but we regularly get low lvl dbow accounts (like 40 combat) hitting the low level irons etc
We’re not a traditional clan, just a really big community and there’s no obligation to show up or even to antipk… we stay out of all multi clan politics and have ppl from practically every clan pop by

U could always run some laps, make some gp, and kill the dbowers when they appear to get u used to pking a lil

Then fly off into the wider wilderness when ur ready 🙂

[glacial gate]

i know pures being able to raid was a hot topic issue. if you can't do the quest well sucks to suck LOL

[scarlet tree]

I ain’t mad about not being able to do raids 4 on my pure acc

Did enough of all of em on all my accs honestly….all g

[winged thorn]

You know what’s sad? Turning in stacks of Larran’s keys is currently the best money making method in the wild 😭

[brazen fox]

wtf I always lose gp on those

Instasell claims another victim

[minor aspen]

And lowk one of the safest because of the 1 tile xD
Just takes a long time to buy them

[brazen fox]

Needing an open inv slot as well as looting bag kinda sucks

-1brew

Ofc unskulling is a big advantage but ye keys+looting bag+empty slot required

[subtle wigeon]

Need a weapon that gives defense XP to the person you attack

It's 2026, somebody needs to cleanse the game of these filthy pures

[fringe fjord]

Bh has it's unique 20 def armours

And some stuff has adjusted reqs

I.e barrelchest from bh is 50 rather than 60 attack

They should add the lower attack dmm claws n shit

Nothing will fix the wilderness for pures cuz there's no brackets

And there's also no one they even got an advantage against because theres no 80 cmb mains in the wild

[winged thorn]

Pures have the advantage of being able to hit things mains can’t

& they have the advantage of pking places where mains can’t hit them

You’re a glass cannon, glass being the first word. You’re not supposed to be the top of the food chain, the title of the build literally contradicts that notion lol

“Glass cannon”

Give chiv to pures & zerks though

[wooden basin]

Chiv is a meme otherwise so yeah i agree

[fringe fjord]

There is nothing to hit

There are no mains below 100 cmb in the wilderness

Only bots

Meds can attack anything pures can attack so pures are just pointless

No one's doing wilderness slayer on their level 70 main this ain't 2009

[winged thorn]

[winged thorn]

Since you haven’t pk’d since before duel arena (your words if memory serves me correctly)

I’d challenge you to test that theory

[fringe fjord]

your memory doesn't serve you correctly

i got 77 slayer on my obby mauler doing wilderness slayer never seen a single person below mid 90s

[river spindle]

I think Chivalry is dead and should stay dead.. it can be a placeholder for Piety, occupying the same slot, then when Piety is unlocked, Chivalry is gone forever.
This is how it's been used in practice for all these years and there is no need for that extra clutter in the prayerbook.

Also, a better solution for a tier 4 melee prayer for mid-game is an override upgrade to Ultimate Strength (the 15% str prayer), matching the design of the Mage/Range Royal Titans prayers.

I suggest to look at the Ancient Strength prayer in Ruinous Powers prayerbook and adjust that to fit as an upgrade to Ultimate Strength, see suggestion here:
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[fringe fjord]

tier 4 melee prayer would literally be more powerful than chivalry

if pures can't get chivalry what makes you think theyll get that lmao

[winged thorn]

Doing slayer is the same as pk?

Anecdotal evidence is just that: anecdotal

[fringe fjord]

ask yourself why would level 80 mains be in the wilderness

[winged thorn]

I respect your opinions & long thought out paragraphs. But this one seems like such a nothing burger that pvmers & irons alike overthink

[fringe fjord]

main accounts are in the wilderness to do slayer

i did not see any below 95-100 while doing slayer

[winged thorn]

That must mean there isn’t a single lvl 95 in the wildy

[fringe fjord]

and 77 slayer takes forever with 1 attack so that's an extensive log

[winged thorn]

That’s quite an assumption. My main is in the wild to pk lol

[river spindle]

What do you mean? Read the suggestion, it would be only 3% higher accuracy but have like 5% lower defence.
It has the same str bonus of 18% as Chivalry, so it is exactly same tier of power as chivalry

[fringe fjord]

your main that's above 100 combat

what is the point of mentioning this?

[river spindle]

A part of why pures didn't get chivalry is because a part of the playerbase don't like reworking old school mechanics like prayers that have been there untouched since launch

[winged thorn]

To say that not every main is in the wild to do slayer l0l

I also don’t consider a lvl 80 as a main lol

It’s a lvl 80

[fringe fjord]

every main that's in the wilderness in the pure bracket is indeed doing slayer

or training prayer

[winged thorn]

That’s quite an assertion

[fringe fjord]

i would see them on my account during the months ive spend there and there are none

[winged thorn]

If I still pure pk’d I’d be in the rev caves every single day tbh

[river spindle]

You didn't read the thread, I see. It's not a nothing burger at all, please have a look and understand what you are arguing against before arguing:
#1418045793746812989 message

[fringe fjord]

so 3% more powerful than chivalry considering it doesn't matter whether that prayer is 20% or 1% because both of those are nothing if you're 1 defence.

chivalry already doesnt pass with 18% strength and no accuracy boost

changing the defence % does nothing

50% of 1 is still 0

it could be 99% and it would still be 0

[winged thorn]

No I mean like, I really cba to argue why a dead prayer should be given to a bracket of acc’s that are often forgotten about in the whole “power creep” thing. It’s a no brainer imo

I hope you don’t think I disagree that purés should get something, but it’s asinine imo not to rework the existing prayer

[river spindle]

You are making a very wrong assumption here, and it is assuming that the reasons why Chivalry hasn't been passed in the suggested ways have been largely due to a 3% str increase over Ultimate Strength??

The Chivalry suggestions were trying to make several other changes community didn't like, plz see thread and discussion in thread

[fringe fjord]

pures will remain trash because anything that would put them on par with any other defence build the same level causes backlash from the community that has collective ptsd from being pked once in 2009

[languid oracle]

The voting population at large is dumb and only thinks in simple terms

Reworking chivalry is "a buff to just pures!" But a new prayer like deadeye and mystic vigour from Titans got an absurdly high passing vote

If you can trick people into not thinking of it as benefiting pvp at all then they'll vote for it

[winged thorn]

Glass cannon will never be on par with a main because of the “glass” part lol

Crazy I know but that’s what the acc build is

🤯

[fringe fjord]

pures are supposed to be relatively on par with other accounts their own bracket

they are not.

[winged thorn]

Your HP & ko potential mean nothing?

o_O

[fringe fjord]

?

[winged thorn]

If you want jagex to get rid of zerks because they dog walk pures, ok I can’t change that opinion lol

But you as a pure have an advantage over the Ironman that’s lv 82

Crazy to think otherwise imo lol

& those 2 differences are = your hp & Ko potential

[fringe fjord]

pures have the LOWEST kill potential of just about any build right now

[winged thorn]

If not then go pk on a lvl 82 that Reddit thinks is a “mid game” acc

& lmk how many kills you get with 69 magician

[fringe fjord]

there is no ironman that's 82 combat in any sort of pvp that's relevant to pures

there are none in bh

there are none in pvp

[winged thorn]

I get it I think

You’re sadge pures have died

Sorry beast

[fringe fjord]

i dont play on pures lol

i just dont think they should be the weak link in pvp

[winged thorn]

Give them ely & rigour I agree

[winged thorn]

Personally I think it balances out nicely. Now you’re right, against another build that’s a med or something, I agree. But really I think pures are best for hunting things that aren’t typically fighting back

That’s just my opinion though

[fringe fjord]

again there's really nothing for pures to hunt that's lower level than they are

besides maybe bots

[winged thorn]

I think there is plenty

[fringe fjord]

you don't pure pk lol

[winged thorn]

It’s just finding them consistently that everyone who engages in the wildly complain about

That’s an issue all brackets experience

Also I’m very sure the skulled avarice/craw bots are literally the perfect lvl for pures to kill. I can imagine it’s probably ass to deal with the prayers though

[fringe fjord]

i find it very sad that pures would be reduced to glorifed bot hunters

[winged thorn]

Like you said, it’s a dead bracket

Everyone has moved on to mains or pvm or another game with pvp updates

Pures used to be everywhere in the wildly back in the day it seemed

Before singles died

[fringe fjord]

pures mostly exist to fight other pures nowdays but people still act like theyre some kind of predatory build

42 def account 80 combat claps just about any pure with ease

[winged thorn]

B gloves go brrrr

[fringe fjord]

void

bgloves is too much risk

[granite sphinx]

I am very sadge pures have died 😭

[fringe fjord]

i say all this while i main an account that's literally made to dunk on pures in pvp worlds

[granite sphinx]

Like why even log in the game rn

[winged thorn]

Bgloves too much risk? Isn’t void more?

[winged thorn]

I am sorry pal

[fringe fjord]

nah bgloves and torso and shit would be more risk than just void I think

voiders usually dont risk shit you dont needs parchments in pvp

[latent relic]

I pked one on my pure last night

[fringe fjord]

i pked a dragon pickaxe while getting 99 mining in pvp worlds

[latent relic]

Kinda felt bad after cuz he probably won't come back to wildy now lol

[fringe fjord]

back when they werent worthless yet

[winged thorn]

Impossible! No one does Wildy on lvl 80’s!

[latent relic]

80-110 cmb is really active

[fringe fjord]

i remember framed tried to pk me in edge dungeon while i was doing earth warriors

[winged thorn]

Shout out to framed making a nothing burger “what’s wrong with pvp” video just to then put out a video of him hunting pvmers 3 days later

[fringe fjord]

but i was on a max obby mauler so i just walked out slowly

[winged thorn]

The guy is trying but damn idk how you mess that 1 up lol

[fringe fjord]

pvp minigame wont get anyone into pvp

its already easy to get into pvp

anyone that is motivated can already do it

[winged thorn]

I more so mean how for like 7-8 mins he harps on ppl hunting pvmers

[fringe fjord]

but 90% of the game is not motivated to do any mechanically demanding gameplay so theres just not a big pool of people that would potentially try it

[winged thorn]

When most of his videos are exactly that

[fringe fjord]

people act like pkers are only 5% of the game so they don't matter for updates and forget end game pvmers are also only like 5%

[granite sphinx]

Tbf it is how some people pk, I used to do that all the time just cuz the loot was kinda more interesting. Even if gp value isn’t as much, it’s fun seeing like odd stuff out there

[fringe fjord]

how much of the game can do high invoc toa solo lmao

[granite sphinx]

Plus you get the odd whale risking crazy, but it’s just so few and far between nowadays

[winged thorn]

I don’t mind ppl doing it at all. It’s just, why are you (framed) complaining about this when you (framed) do it too?

Ykwim?

[fringe fjord]

i only kill pvmers when they're ironmen

[winged thorn]

I started pvp by hunting defenseless noobs. I think that part of the food chain is mandatory

[fringe fjord]

i assume they use reddit in that case which makes it valid to kill them for potential loot (threads crying about it)

[granite sphinx]

Oh yeah absolutely that was the first thing I thought of when I saw his video lol

[ocean kraken]

The same way there’s an indicator for mobile players on right-click, there should be an indicator for Ironman that also exists in PvP areas so I know who I can target without any consequences whatsoever

[winged thorn]

I can see how that might help you in multi. But in singles if you’re initiating a fight, the consequence is known lol

[granite sphinx]

Yes pls, would make bridge skulltricking way more relaxing. Every irons a comedian out there

Every single one after coming out the barrier “iron idiot” like ok “Fart Smell123” how was i supposed to know that lma

[wide crater]

My buddy has a level 80 2k total that i pk on sometimes and make a shit ton from other pures that think theyre safe. I promise theyre out there

[granite sphinx]

Should see the 2.2 worlds

It’s free lootie

[wide crater]

I cba to do sailing on his acc lmao

He wont do it, and im not venturing into the account sharing status. I will pk on it and that is it

[fringe fjord]

those are other pures not mains tho

[wide crater]

I may have misunderstood, i thought you were implying that theres nothing for pures to hunt at all, my bad

[fringe fjord]

pures vs pures is just pker vs pker

[winged thorn]

That is kinda how the statement reads

But then the goalposts move

[fringe fjord]

i mean that theres not really anything besides that besides bots at revs

who does anything on a random assortment of stats 85 combat main account

in the wilderness

[wide crater]

Oh the ones im talking about def are not pkers lol im killing kids doing slayer etc. just built a low build for “safety” thats what the dude who made this account did lol

[tropic root]

Not true! Being able to practice PvP in minigames is what let me build up to eventually trying the Wilderness more seriously eventually!

[wide crater]

But i see what you actually mean @fringe fjord and you are correct. I will get some big kills but finding them takes ages

[granite sphinx]

Right but adding more of them when we already have like four isn’t really the move lol

[tropic root]

I never said that!

They got PvPA to fix :)

[wide crater]

Again, i think the best way to get people to accept it more, is when you kill someone in wildy that actually TRIES to fight back, chat em up and offer some tips and make friends

[fringe fjord]

just another loot pinata update

[tropic root]

I used to with friends just to mess around and would more if it didn't seem like I wouldn't just get farmed

[fringe fjord]

you were motived for mechanically demanding gameplay most of this game is not

you can already easily get into pvp right now

[tropic root]

and I do! at soul wars

[fringe fjord]

anyone that wants to can do so already

another minigame doesnt make the difference for that

[tropic root]

I agree

[tropic root]

I actually don't like doing the highest skill level / demanding PvP though, all I built up to was edge melee only pking

full on nh bridding is just too much

[winged thorn]

I also can’t see a scenario where fighting something similar to framed’s suggestion is helpful for PvP other than 1 situation: you are fighting down opts in multi

Just doesn’t really make sense to me personally :v

[fringe fjord]

edge pking is still more mechanically demanding than what the average player does

[tropic root]

true

[fringe fjord]

average runescape players only afk

[wide crater]

I mean tbf thats A LOT of ppl tho. Maybe not pkers, but ppl doing wildy pvm are always fighting down ops

[fringe fjord]

on second screen

[tropic root]

it's really something that people can only get into if they really want to build their way to trying it skill-wise

[wide crater]

But majority of those ppl that do try to anti are already comfortable with pvp so that still remains a moot point

[tropic root]

Framed's PvM thing? Yea it won't help with what he's hoping it will help with unfortunately

Players won't learn how to fight players from simulated players

[winged thorn]

Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you. But that’s not a mechanic for someone who’s new & wants to learn the basics

I’d say that’s lesson like 15 l0l

[tropic root]

In fact, even if the PvP Arena turned out to be bustin in popularity, doing PvP there would not teach people how to do PvP in the Wilderness, it would just teach them how to do PvP Arena style PvP

Thoooough some skills would still transfer and it would be a less expensive way to learn for sure

So that would still be a good thing

If only rewards could pass a poll!

[winged thorn]

For real

[wide crater]

Yea no i agree 1000% like its helpful but not as a starting point. Learn to handle one opponent before you try to take on 5

[latent relic]

There are definitely normal accounts in the 80 cmb that aren't bots in the wildy just rare because most of those players are sending different content outside the wildy.

[fringe fjord]

if you're able to do high end pvm you're already able to switch prayers + armours + styles at the same time

[winged thorn]

Right! Like if ppl wanna learn to double Gmaul let’s say. You’d really just need a mob to do chip damage back to you to simulate that & then “heal” at certain hp’s to simulate a real player eating

[latent relic]

Nah high end pvmer does not equal good pker

[winged thorn]

& then you can wait for a big arrow & try your spec

[fringe fjord]

translates quite well usually

[latent relic]

No it doesnt

[winged thorn]

It’s simple imo, idk why we overthink it!

[fringe fjord]

accurate clicks are accurate clicks

[latent relic]

I promise you being a grandmaster with blood torva etc will not make you a good pker

[wide crater]

My biggest issue with mini games is that theyre pretty generic. Lms everyone starts with the same loadout so you know what to expect. Pvp arena lets you choose gear but still doesnt have every option youll encounter. No minigame we have seen thus far has successfully replicated the unpredictability of the wilderness

[winged thorn]

Fair point

The only mini games you could argue that do capture that are soul wars and castle wars

But neither are looked at as pvp startups

[fringe fjord]

they already have the base for it

in fact most good pkers are also good pvmers

[tropic root]

One thing a lot of people don't talk about when they discuss the whole skill floor, skill ceiling, and huge skill gap thing

There needs to be a skill ladder.

In PvM there is a skill ladder. You start with learning how to click on an enemy to attack them. (skill floor). You end at raids or inferno (skill ceiling).

And in between that there is all sorts of PvM content for almost every combat level. From the floor to ceiling, between all that you have AFK slayer, you have quest bosses, low level bosses, mid level bosses, Fight Caves, higher level bosses that introduce more mechanics, the ladder is rich and full of things.

---

And the skill ladder for PvP? The skill floor is being able to click on someone. I'd say nh trybridding in the wilderness is the skill ceilling.

In between that is Castle Wars, Soul Wars, LMS, and we jump to Risk PKing lol.

That's in terms of content.

The PvP skill ladder in terms of mechanical skills would be like: clicking on someone, learning about the combat triangle, learning about overhead prayers, learning bla bla bla a lot of the basics we all know, and then learning spec comboing, venge timing, how to get better at bridding, and then more odd niche stuff like wtf is 1tick, wtf is pid, how are people doing 6way gear switches constantly, weird tricks with ancient magicks, etc.

But a lot of that stuff just isn't obvious and at some point there is a huuuuuge invisible jump between the basics and then niche or advanced tricks.

[wide crater]

Yea but im getting a little away from basic mechanics now, but even in singles, theres so much shit you have to be aware of. Like spearing/multi baits. Castle wars and soul wars are a semi decent foundation for multi, but thats about it

[tropic root]

Yea I hate minigames with alternate save files. You don't get to see how strong your own account and your own equipment is against other people's random assortment of equipment.

LMS it makes sense that it's alternate save file because of the nature of that game mode I guess, but PvP Arena no thanks imo!

[wide crater]

That part too^ thats a solid point as well. Youre playing “what if” at that point

[tropic root]

I know a lot of the current PKing playerbase doesn't look at PvP minigames as "real PvP", I'm exactly the opposite lol. Soul Wars is my testing ground to try out PvP stuff lol.

I also don't share the mindset that the Wilderness needs to be something that everyone eventually gets into - though I would be happy if it could reach a point where it does see new blood and is a good engaging area for everyone who likes it or is on the fence of being interested in it

[wide crater]

I think its cus most pvpers look at the big picture when it comes to that. If they added actual food with combo eats and pnecks i think soul wars would be better tbh. Then you can learn options+tanking and keeping up dps in multi

[winged thorn]

Yep. And even then it’s not perfect. You don’t have 1 tick bandages that you can spam to heal out there

[tropic root]

I always got more of an impression that PKers just disregard PvP that doesn't involve Risk as if it's not real lol

Not everyone but a looot make it sound like that

[fringe fjord]

you already use combo eats in high end pvm

[wide crater]

Exactly. I think some ppl dont realize just how important surviving is evem if youre not the greatest. A couple years ago, we teamed up with a couple other pvm clans and had almost 100 people in one fc brand new in wildy. 100 people got wiped by 20 😂 i wont say what clan

[winged thorn]

I disregard risk but also don’t go out in singles in 400m gear

A multi pker who’s been pking multi for a long time doesn’t really care about their multi set

[wide crater]

Im not talking about people at high end pvm, those guys already know how to combo weapons and understand ticks lol. Im talking about newer players in general

[tropic root]

Yea I tend to see PKers have kind of the 'curse of knowledge' we usually get in game dev.

They know it in-and-out and they're used to the difficulty or the risk, so it feels like nothing to them

But a lot seem to underestimate how expensive and overwhelming it feels to potential new blood

Even though people have been saying it for years

[fringe fjord]

theyre two sides of the same coin, players who enjoy high apm gameplay

[wide crater]

Im on the side of the fence that most people around master/grandmaster in pvm will naturally be better at pvp than other noobs and will progress faster. Ive seen it myself

[winged thorn]

I’d agree that if you’ve been pking for years you’re likely out of touch

Idk what a new player needs to enjoy pvp because I didn’t have hand holding

I just enjoyed it lol

[fringe fjord]

you will never convince 90%+ of this game to do anything with any mechanical complexity to it

[tropic root]

I'm still in that sweet spot of "I never got deep into Wildy a lot, although I did try it a little, but I know the pains of getting into it"

Hence my whole ol' blessed thing lol

[wide crater]

That i do agree with. Then the high end pvmers most likely wont pvp bc of gear fear. Nobody wants to lose money they worked for. Id say somewhere between 3-5% of the 10% of high end players would be willing

[winged thorn]

That’s fair. Similarly , most ppl who engage in deep wildy activities would buck

[fringe fjord]

there's plenty of overlap they're just the type of people who enjoy competitive high effort gameplay

[tropic root]

Here's the thing, even if I wanted to PK in the cheapest possible gear, that is still going to cost me an insane amount of GP to get started up and get into

Even if I WANT to do it.

Meanwhile PKers react to getting a 500k value kill like it's nothing, then lose 8m and act like it's nothing. That would put me back to rebuilding for weeks or a month of not PKing.

[winged thorn]

& that’s why pkers kill everything they see

[wide crater]

Not the most efficient method, but what i did when i first started out, was running like 80-100k sets. But id have an alt doing afk skilling at the same time, and i never let myself lose more than that account was making lol

[winged thorn]

There is no guarantee of profit

I’m pretty sure just pre potting & then casting a freeze once you’re already in the whole like 25-30k l0l

Depending on your pre pots I guess

[wide crater]

I was venge bolting dds lmao i couldnt be fucked with gear switches at the time

[wide crater]

I can understand your point. The level im at currently, i dont mind singles pking risking 8-10m. Mind you im not full sending all day, if i die a couple times its fine. I’ve gotten good enough at pvm i can make 50m in a day or two fairly easily if im not winnning my fights. Most of the time im breaking pretty even tho, i can kill 20 people in 500k mystic sets before i die to one guy in max kwim?

Disclaimer: dont take what i just said as “every person in mystics is an easy k0” cus ive lost a fuck ton to demons in rags too

[tropic root]

OSRS PvP has seen "playerbase skill creep"

Y'know how everyone says when we were young and dumb and everyone jumped into PvP without caring about their stats or gear

But now the only people there are long time veterans with years of built up skill and experience.

Theoretically, if all the "newer" players who are "intimidated" by the skill gap of getting into PvP, if they were all to get into PvP at the same time, they would be able to fight other people who are just learning and then they would have opponents on similar levels because others are just learning too.

But that doesn't happen.

And it especially will not happen in the Wilderness where there is risk, because there is money on the line if you die a lot. You are incentivized to only go there once you feel a bit confident in your skill beforehand.

And people are not all getting into it at the same time. One person gets into it alone, and sees how it is, then decides if they want to continue.

The proper place for learning players would be viable safe minigames. Which right now, we have CW, SW, PvPA, LMS which all got flaws. lol

[tropic root]

ye exactly my main (and only account) isn't that far yet and it probably won't be for months lol

[wide crater]

To that last part, cw white portal is probably my favorite option. Its literally safe pvp, just gotta make friends with people willing to teach

[tropic root]

I forgot they even implemented clan wars actually lmao

[fringe fjord]

the rag portal

[wide crater]

Tbf ive only ever been crashed once with like 10-12 pf us in there fighting

But when i starting learning nh i did some pretty off the wall shit to practice @tropic root lol i spent hours in my poh at the combat dummy 1t ags

[fringe fjord]

cw portal always has the same 10 neckbeards bolting eachother with bronze bolts in max range tank while shit talking

its hilarious

[wide crater]

Never seen em lmao. Toyco the dude that made the new pvp tracker plugin, has a discord and a bunch of people will hop in and just practice fighting. Some around my level and some are straight demons. But its usually only us in portal

[fringe fjord]

the bracketing in the portals makes it kind of hard because theres usually mains in dharocks waiting to 1 hit pures

has been my experience in the few times ive been there on low level pures

[wide crater]

Yea it does happen sometimes but then we will just hop

[tropic root]

Alright the more I read about the cheaters in PvP stuff, the more I realize - forget the inherent design problems of the Wilderness

Now this cheater stuff making a rise is going to kill PvP even worse lmao

That's just a way worse problem wtf

[fringe fjord]

There arent that many

There are many people using that client but most are pvming with it

You don't run into cheaters much if you're not risk fighting

Or risking a lot

[tropic root]

So I know PJ timer killed off people doing team stuff in single combat zones

Badly enough that a lot of that area and team play pretty much died, people's singles friend groups died, etc

But why aren't teams doing stuff in multicombat areas instead then?

I feel like my understanding has major gaps

[winged thorn]

I think that’s probably a really complicated answer. My take would be for those who prefer singles prefer the 1 on 1 NH style of fighting

You don’t really get that same vibe in multi when fighting a team or clearing pvmer groups

That’s a question for @granite sphinx

[granite sphinx]

multi combat is nothing remotely like old singles lol

its almost exclusively a #s game at like, probably 90% of the player base

higher end teams can make stuff happen with less, but in general i just dont find it fun

[glacial gate]

the ones that quit over pj timer are to afraid of clans like rot, or dr to ever step foot in our wilderness.

[granite sphinx]

the two just couldnt be more different

[tropic root]

Because old singles still had a bit of a cooldown before different players could attack 1, right?

I think it was 4.8 seconds and pj timer made it 12s or 20ticks

But in multi of course everyone can just attack the same guy

[winged thorn]

I think the clan side of things plays an interesting role too. When you have multi clans w/ established metas, a singles clan would be drowning for the first idk, 6 months up to a year of their new life in multi?

[granite sphinx]

yeah, it was still 1 vs 1 really for the most part

you got to 1v1 plenty of times the same way peeople do now

[latent relic]

Yeah a lot of singles pkers stay away from multi or struggle with it. Getting better at singles NHing will make you a better multi pker but you will need a multi foundation first.

[glacial gate]

it was max gear fall ins anytime you found something good is all it was.

[winged thorn]

They call us multi bots, but they are actually the bots in multi

[tropic root]

So my guess that smaller teams don't go to multi because it's clan area would likely be accurate then?

[latent relic]

I singles pk and multi pk

[granite sphinx]

naw definitely not

i think there may have been 1 time ever that i got hit by a max team?

[latent relic]

But all you need to do is watch oda in multi

Guy has no idea what to do

[winged thorn]

Hard to blanket statement that. There are plenty of small man teams out & about in multi that go despite there being clans. But there aren’t as many as there used to be back when multi revs was a thing

[glacial gate]

Multi is a lot more volatile. Harder to tank test. And much more on your leader's to have great communication skills.

[winged thorn]

I’d say we are probably missing like 60% of those ppl. OR there’s too many worlds & too many locations I never see those ppl

[glacial gate]

It was a daily occurance for me. But perhaps i was just active in those area's moreso 😛

[granite sphinx]

yea if you were like altar/kbd then maybe moreso? I feel like the # of ancestral clans id say on a daily basis at chins was like maybe 0.3

[glacial gate]

Yeah those were the stomping grounds.

[latent relic]

Yeah I also think there is less understanding of good pk locations outside multi clans

[tropic root]

If the world hop list showed wilderness activity in all worlds as 0-3 flames as a heat map, would this positively or negatively affect different types of players in the Wildy?

Like

W123 🔥
W111
W133 🔥🔥🔥
W135 🔥🔥
W141
W142
W143 🔥

The premise is that some players will go to populated worlds to find people, so it benefits PvPers

Some players will go to unpopulated worlds to hide, so it benefits PvMers

But also some players will go to unpopulated worlds to find the people who are hiding, so there's still danger

[glacial gate]

It would just encourage more hiders to go to non flame worlds lol.

[granite sphinx]

too intrusive, just limit the # of worlds u can even go there on

[latent relic]

Less opportunity for people to just run into eachother and form a team. Like years ago a clan would form just by meeting eachother in the wildy and teaming up to fight other players

[glacial gate]

Destroy the hop timer in wilderness.
Limit the amount of worlds there are to utilize wilderness.
BOTH of these things need to happen.

[granite sphinx]

does that happen much in multi anymore? used to happen in singles a lot but i havent rly multi pked much in recent years

[latent relic]

You don't get that anymore and a lot of people gravitate towards streamer teams

[tropic root]

My thought was that people would do that to hide

But to find hiders then pkers would go to low flame worlds

[granite sphinx]

yeah, a lotta people used to get into it via streamer teams in singles too

that was fun

[glacial gate]

My small team of homies we randomly pick up people we pk. But we are not like the rest lol.

But my clan. yeah thats not happening XD

[winged thorn]

You’re kinda just giving big clans a “hey come sweep this world” neon sign

[tropic root]

Also I recently found out there's like 3-4 whole pages of worlds now lol

[glacial gate]

There are to many lol.

[latent relic]

Tbf I don't think big clans need that lol

[winged thorn]

Agree

In theory it’s a good idea, but easily taken advantage of

[tropic root]

So Jagex is going to keep adding worlds as the game grows

But more worlds just makes it harder to find anyone in the wilderness

[latent relic]

I think they need to come up with something to reduce world hops

[tropic root]

Never thought I'd see the day that came into account tbh

[glacial gate]

jagex is going to keep adding worlds till the end of time.
Just like how we'll have venezuealan servers soon. I don't want to hop 10 extra worlds with insanely bad ping XD

[latent relic]

I don't know if that's reducing the number of worlds with wilderness access or doing something similar to what you mentioned

[tropic root]

Wilderness Activity Listing was basically my solution to that

But if it can be seen as clan abusable... ahaha

Well, I have different ideas about clans but I won't get into it rn

[glacial gate]

Its still not a solution sadly. As im going to hop those 0 flame worlds to find hiders to kill too :P.

[tropic root]

0 flame would mean empty

But 1 flame ye

[glacial gate]

0 flame would mean pvmer no?

or nooone

and is it going to change based on what area im in?

really tough design imo

[tropic root]

0 flame would be if actually no one is in the wildy at all on that world

Though, I'm not sure if there's ever actually empty wildy lol

[latent relic]

I think it could work in theory if the number was large like 1 flame is 5+ two flames 50+ three flames 200+

[glacial gate]

There is not. There will always be bots somewhere.

[tropic root]

Yea I kinda figure

[glacial gate]

1 dude at calvarion is not 1 flame worthy imo.

[tropic root]

That's the gamble of going to a low population world!

[latent relic]

Yeah I mean I dunno one flame could even be 25+

[glacial gate]

Itd just be a fancy way of watching teams hop giving us yet another way to scout.

Yall didn't like wildy cctv yeah? Same shit diff scale

[tropic root]

My thought process is if they can't stop scouts or if it's not technically illegal

Make it a mechanic

[glacial gate]

It already is though? Explain

[tropic root]

I know some scouts were bots but aren't there just humans who do it now

[latent relic]

I really liked the wildy boss idea they suggested but have it so there are multiple worlds with one present at any given time that rotates between world list.

So any time you could login and find it

Like stars for mining but in wildy only

[tropic root]

Yea the idea is theoretically there is some number where it makes sense

[glacial gate]

most scouts are going to be humans albeit there are scouting bots too. I hate botters. Wish i could hit em all.

[tropic root]

Yea bots are tricky

Especially in just an open field

[latent relic]

Yeah majority of scouts are people on alts

[glacial gate]

im going to guess that if we cut down away from 800 worlds to hop, scout bots usefulness would get destroyed for those that utilize them.
Which is good for the game.

[latent relic]

But there are also clans that use bots for it but I don't condone that and think it's bad for the game

[glacial gate]

Same brother

[latent relic]

Yeah I guess it comes down to what is the best way to let pkers know if you hop to these worlds you will have a higher chance of finding someone to pk

Can be a icon to notify activity or something like crashed stars to get players to show up in that world

Obviously not skilling though would need to be pvm content

[tropic root]

Remove the need for people to make alts for it

Scan - a spell that tells you if there's any players at ground level within double render distance. 30s cooldown

Seek - similar but gives the direction of a random player. 1min cooldown

People are scouting anyway in perfectly non-rulebreaking ways

So just give it to everyone as a mechanic

I can't imagine if this would be good or bad for different types of players

[latent relic]

I don't make alts specifically for scouting

[glacial gate]

Do you know how many bots below 30 wildy would find a way to bug that shit and just be more unkillable than they are now with their 1t teles?

[latent relic]

Jagex needs to give us membership on more than one character with our account membership so more people can have unique accounts like pures and irons

[tropic root]

If bots are already unkillable, does Scan change anything?

[latent relic]

It was the one thing I was hoping for when they shared their proposed membership changes that were overall bad

[glacial gate]

You can already look at something like lets say lesser demons and see theyre aggroed onto someone before you ever enter lesser demons and before the player can see you.

The information is readily avail via context clues.

[neat hearth]

Unfortunately this would just multiply the bot problem if you could have multiple accounts for the cost of one membership

[latent relic]

Would be linked to jagex accounts only

[neat hearth]

I mean you can’t make non jagex accounts anymore so all the new bots you see in game are jagex accounts

[tropic root]

Dayum

[latent relic]

Hmm didn't know they were using jagex accounts for that

Too bad they can't limit login to runelite and the official client/mobile

[neat hearth]

I mean I feel like they made that change over a year ago.

[latent relic]

Well it would make chain banning easier

[tropic root]

Programmers would find a way around that

[neat hearth]

I do think as someone who had lots of pvp builds that one membership covering one jagex account that limited you to only being able to log into one account at a time would be nice

[latent relic]

Please no lol I want to be able to play multiple accounts at once it's the only way I can get through some of the horrible skilling grinds

[tropic root]

I can't imagine jagex prioritizing that one because less membership $$$ lol

[latent relic]

Just do multiple options like 1 character 5 characters 8 character

But give a discount on the higher ones

[tropic root]

That could be one way!

[latent relic]

I'd definitely make more unique builds for PvP if it was more reasonable

[neat hearth]

PvP related tho pures should have access to b gloves

Or at least addy since you can already unlock addy at 1 def

[glacial gate]

nah

[latent relic]

Just give me chivalry on a 1 def pure

Mith gloves are fine

[neat hearth]

I voted yes for Chivalry but I get why people felt it was op

[glacial gate]

I dont think pures should get chiv/piety just like i dont think irons should trade on the ge.

[latent relic]

Nerf it and let 1 def pures use it. Currently it's dead content

[neat hearth]

Combat bracelet is arguably better than mith gloves

[latent relic]

Yeah that's why I want them to stay at mith

[tropic root]

How about those wristbands of the arena haha amirite

[neat hearth]

I want the b gloves because it would be a good way to up the risk pures bring to the wildy

[tropic root]

Those were supposed to be 1def b gloves right?

[latent relic]

Could release a different melee prayer to match titans that has str and attack bonus with no def

[glacial gate]

Something completely new? Sure.

[winged thorn]

Or ppl had foresight lol

[glacial gate]

Although i do think it is in the skill expression of pures to be able to flick both on pre spec etc.

[latent relic]

Yeah for sure

[glacial gate]

Granted i only play pure when im forced to in a minigame lol.

I have no skill expression on clicking both XD im garbage at it. Its on the wrong side of the prayer book and everything for me XD

[latent relic]

Changing between pure/zerk and med/main is so different for muscle memory

For prayers anyways

[glacial gate]

ngl sometimes i just let em have the kill man cba playing it with my prayers all over the place

[tropic root]

It still blows my mind how the pvp arena rewards repoll went

Why did ornament kits fail lol, were they untradeable or what? Is that an ironman downvote? Are those ornament kits available elsewhere and that's why?

[winged thorn]

Idk which specifically, I’d have to look. The main complaint from irons is being “forced” into PvP for things. Wouldn’t be surprised if this fell into that category

[glacial gate]

"We're introducing a new cosmetic that turns your feet blue from revenants, 1/5k droprate."
"Instant no vote ill never be forced into pvp, i hate combat against an unpredictable target i can't just eat shrimp against and pray a single style"

[tropic root]

That's so odd to me because most of the actual equipment was polled as working in pvp only lol

Or at least originally they were and those polls were way worse than the repoll

Though I do get the criticism that the armor was just literally voids lol

I would take a void reskin kit any day though...

Calamity armor looks great

[naive ore]

in latest poll they were usable in wilderness, which is why people mass voted no on it. both mains and irons did not want pkers to have more power

[tropic root]

True

Ah the cat and mouse of balancing

[glacial gate]

We're plenty powerful enough as is in pking imo.

You can wear the better gear and risk more if you want the bigger hits.

[tropic root]

True

Though I can't disagree with the logic for that no

I would have liked that armor as minigame only though...

And i mean in other minigames too

[naive ore]

one of the rewards was just straight up stupid. 15min cooldown revive if your hp happened to hit 0, all status effect removed when activates

[glacial gate]

I do wish i could use vls in wildy though ngl. And javs on dmm were STUPID fun but i totally get why not in main game lolol

[tropic root]

Now that one I don't remember Iol

Tbf I want curses

Lol

Never gonna happen but

[scarlet tree]

Always thought it would be dope if they worked in the bh wildy, armors n all

[tropic root]

It's all about the animations and sound effects

[scarlet tree]

I k ow the lms vls does tho but the rest would be dope

[winged thorn]

Free the BH items into wildy

Anchor scroll, d bow scroll, all of it

Pls jaggy

[glacial gate]

curses are great for pvm or being the agressor in pvp. but for 1v1's against someone same gear/skill level. Normal prayer player is gonna whoop the curse players ass.

defensive bonuses are incredible.

[tropic root]

Idk, turm ss was pretty cracked xD

And that's why I liked it!

[glacial gate]

oh im thinking ruinous prayers sorry

my mistake

[tropic root]

Oh yea I didn't like any of those lol

[glacial gate]

theyre SICK for pvm ngl

[tropic root]

They all just sounded objectively more annoying to use

Like they all had penalties from normal prayers for like a 1% bonus

Protection prayers but they aren't 100% ? Heresy lol

[glacial gate]

they were the same as regular prayers protection wise

no prayer is 100% in pvp

[tropic root]

Ah I'm thinking about the old revisions

[fringe fjord]

regen is better than addy gloves lol

[glacial gate]

yeah the og proposed levels were WACK lol

[tropic root]

Like they had deflect melee but it's 90% protect in pvm with 10% recoil

[winged thorn]

Good news is, the vzla servers will always have wildy activity in them

I also think it’s important to note that most of the “balancing” that comes in the form of sweeping changes for the pvmer normally detracts from the one engaging in PvP. Most of the cat & mouse balance seems to be just for the mouse these days

I think a lot of ppl who do PvP in wildy want anything to be added at this point just in hopes of a shift

[tropic root]

yea one of the reason Wildy balance is hard to pass a poll

is because cat and mouse will always be incentivized to vote against each other

it would be expected that they'd be 50/50 results and never get to 70% concencus

[naive ore]

I just dont get why people vote against the cosmetics. I guess if they are in collection log then it affects completionists but they are doing even more crazy grinds already

[tropic root]

If they're untradeable and not available anywhere else I get it

But I can't find the blog post from the poll results xD

don't got time to look thru old post pages

[naive ore]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Emir's_Arena#Scrapped_rewards

has the 3 polls

[tropic root]

omg that amulet was real lmao

[naive ore]

yeah it was part of the initial pvp arena rework

[tropic root]

alright the ornaments were going to be tradeable, but then were made untradeable so as to not affect the economy or attract bot abuse lol

oh my god

[naive ore]

reading that page again, it says both polls had voting restriction of 20 wilderness/pvp world kills + 1 lms win

so most people avoiding wilderness couldnt even vote

well cosmetic stuff seems to be voted by everyone since 30k votes

[granite sphinx]

i mean 1 lms kill is kinda hilarious

feels like youd be hard pressed to find sum1 without one

[naive ore]

yeah but 20 wilderness/pvp kills also needed limits who can vote decent amount

[granite sphinx]

was either or i believe

[naive ore]

wiki page worded it so that you needed both but i cannot remember how it actually was

[minor aspen]

I don’t have one ☠️
I have very few lms games played though… hate it

[granite sphinx]

cant say im a big fan either

[minor aspen]

I want the purple halo but that’d be the only reason for me to play it

[winged thorn]

https://i.imgur.com/M7rGcDa.png That's the only halo I didn't get lol

[minor aspen]

I think it’s the coolest because it’s the only one that’s a perfect circle ⭕️

[winged thorn]

I'll have to eventually get it eventually just bc it looks awful being empty lol

Idek why I didn't tbh

[ocean kraken]

LMS is trying too hard to be taken seriously. you know what might actually make LMS fun? adding a 35-40 combat ice rush tribrid build.

[crimson quail]

why are they making pkers do things like diary to pk callisto?

[minor parcel]

Callisto is an NPC so that would be PVMing Callisto

[open grove]

it's to prevent bots

[wooden basin]

Slow down bots*

[river spindle]

I'd argue technically Callisto is an NPC in a PvP-enabled area, so that would be PvMPing Callisto

[minor parcel]

Either way it wouldnt be pking Callisto

[jade ledge]

Slow down pkers*

[next sequoia]

Anyone remember the fountain of rune proposal that failed the polls. I wish that passed, would've been the most volatile, craziest high risk high reward method out in the wilderness

[scarlet tree]

The multi alch proposal?
Yah that would dope idk why ppl hated on it

[next sequoia]

Yep. Im sad it didn't pass

67.1% yes votes, missed it by 2.9%

[scarlet tree]

Yah that was a solid one, def carried the idea of risk/reward

[inner dew]

just stand there and it auto alchs everything? idk kinda simple

should have a minigame to it atleast

[scarlet tree]

I think there was going to be levels to it? Not sure but Different amounts the higher the wilderness diaries were…could be wrong

Made alching smaller value stuff hella worth it too from what I heard some cats say

[next sequoia]

No, the idea was it would alch multiple at a time. For example, 30 alchs with 1 cast if you had wilderness elite diary completed

Came out to be really good gp per hour, depending on how brave you were and how much noted alchs you risked

[brazen fox]

Full xp as well?

[scarlet tree]

You don’t gain xp there

If you’re using the fountains’ runes you don’t, like close enough
If ur far n don’t use the fountain like barrage or have ur own alch runes then yah it’s normal xp

[brazen fox]

Ah

[tropic root]

I read some posts about why people voted no on it and yea, it sounds like it would've been a cancer idea

[brazen fox]

Gp printer in multi what could go wrong

[wooden basin]

Yeah a bit of both

[naive ore]

Resolved an issue where some players were unable to use Prayers in the Permanent Deadman World after transferring their account.

people can finally play dmm

[scarlet tree]

Link em, I’m curious why folks hated

[tropic root]

Granted it's just one reddit thread xD

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1bb2jjl/if_you_voted_no_to_the_fountain_of_rune_poll/

[scarlet tree]

Doesn’t seem like there’s good arguments against it much…
First comment says it’s low req,log out delay n multi

Just about everything in the wildy is low req -was until bots forced Achv diaries-
Delay is to counter bots…n why would it be better singles? Multi should have unique actions/areas otherwise it’d be a duplicate of singles
The clans holding it down seems fair…..if a team organized/masses up enough ppl why not control an area

Seems like some folks further down in that thread just want the reward of multi alch with no risk, which would be aight with me if the rune fountain acted as multiplier to that mechanic.
N I bet folks would still hate on that lol

[glacial gate]

people hate multi because they have no friends lmao

[languid oracle]

Fountain of Rune alch proposal was extremely stupid lol

[glacial gate]

Think of the instalogging bots!

[languid oracle]

Even without the bots it was just a bad idea for overall game econ

Alching is balanced by it being relatively slow all things considered

People can already use the fountain of Rune to risk things for more gp/alch, wanting to make the alching process way faster for the same benefit was just silly

[ocean kraken]

I think the perceived economic risk is massively overblown, but I'd still be interested to know how many gold pieces it would bring into the game per day. If we assume a nature rune of profit per item alched, that comes out to about 3.6m gp/h per player in the clan that controls the fountain

Comparatively, I'd love to know how much raw gp is created by people alching in the GE each day

but at the end of the day, this would be the most profitable content to make a bot army for

hell, maybe having friends could be profitable???

[glacial gate]

itd be an easy one. most profitable is a stretch. i think the doom bots probably make considerably more gp/h or the cox or tob bots.

[wooden basin]

I brought exactly this up the other day lol. Most of us put item into ge, then we recieve gp in return. But where does that gp even come from in the first place? Hmmm

[languid oracle]

Alching is the #1 source of inflation by far and Jagex has said that an absolutely massive chunk of gp in the game is inflation
The GE tax takes out trillions of gp per month from the economy and alching still adds more than that

There does not need to be any sort of buff to alching at all even considered

[wooden basin]

Tbh they should delete that spell altogether. That shouldn't be a primary source of training mage lol

[void folio]

its legacy of legacy and one of the unique spells to rs tho. it'd be good for the health of the game but people would legitimately riot. like alch is embedded in rs meme culture even. it'd probably be as much of a shitshow as wilderness deletion was.

[ocean kraken]

On the contrary, hitting your spells (and not splashing them) should be

which is why Ice Barrage/burst training is GOATed

[languid oracle]

I think alching isn't necessarily bad for game health overall but it is propping up items that aren't useful because they now have a floor that is WAY above their real value

Like rune items would not be 35k today

And it'd collapse the economy in a major way if that was changed

It's like changing the value of $1 to $0

[void folio]

Such a fun and funky problem

[minor aspen]

This was a nice thread to read, it highlights the joys of danger in adventuring. #giveusdanger

[void folio]

Cool part is ape atol isnt that scary even on a low level acc if you know what you're doing. Knowledge and strategies beating back the dangers or knowing how to avoid it entirely.
God I wish.

[glacial gate]

people would cry and poop their pants if they took any unavoidable damage whatsoever.

[minor aspen]

I remember beating MM1 at lvl 32 on my 1 def pure for a challenge, i was proud. I probably got a pic somewhere on my pc

[void folio]

Oh God I'm gonna be doing that soon. It's going to be vomit. But I want my dscim

[void folio]

The strat is to avoid it by not being there
Simply do not go if you are poopy pants baby.

That's what I'd tell them at least

You have 99 hp. Do not be weenie.

Anyway. New to pvp. Probably gonna continue on semi blindly for a bit to see what memes happen. Should be funny since the bulk of my knowledge is about as old as the game itself.

This is gonna be a shitshow

[scarlet tree]

I’m sure the alching bots at GE cause most of the problem with that item value to gp in game..

…bots are a problem but at least combatable in the wilderness, everywhere else you’d have to wait for a nuke or content creator to say somethin
idk I don’t think having bots is a super valid argument against most updates, devs said that same thing a few times

[ocean kraken]

Honestly, it depends on the update. At the end of the day, it boils down to how much bots are expected to impact the player experience, both within the new content and outside of it. If players would enjoy the update regardless of bot activity, it's a good update.

[brazen fox]

Karamja shop buying for above alch price was so op and detrimental to the game that it was removed

Idk why you would wanna put the Karamja shop in lvl 50 wildy especially multi

[neat hearth]

To be fair how would Ironman accounts amass the gp they need for things like construction or buying runes from shops without alching?

[wooden basin]

Ironman isnt main game so its whatever

[ocean kraken]

Back in my day, we wore a ring of wealth to auto-collect our 82 gp drops!

[wooden basin]

If a fix for main game somehow contradicts solo player mode, i see that as a W regardless

[ocean kraken]

god forbid ironmen have to actually sell items to the general store

[neat hearth]

I guess that is a reasonable suggestion 😆

[neat hearth]

On another note let’s talk changing the xp granted from nature spirit, hero’s quest, and dragon slayer one. We should make these xp rewards lamps so that one defense pures can use barrows gloves.

[inner dew]

remove xp and add 70 def req to barrows glove, fixed

[next sequoia]

How do you control an area when there's 300 worlds.

[next sequoia]

Except nobody ever will because the risk far outweighs the reward. Hence the proposal to buff it. Right now we have a fountain that provides unlimited runes but nobody uses it. Because there's nothing to use it for

You take 1 hour's worth of alchs (1,200 alchs) to level 45 wilderness surrounded by multi and you save yourself 122,000 gold at current nature rune prices.

[languid oracle]

And multiplying that by 30 is still not a good idea, and making more alchs enter the game faster is still not a good idea.
If someone pks someone at the fountain of rune the gp still enters the game
It's not like it vanishes, it just goes to the pker
And adding 30x faster alching is just bad

[inner dew]

yea would be better off redesigning wilderness to be fewer worlds so that its both more active and more fun (dont have to worldhop, can just go between content and find ppl just as fast or faster)

[next sequoia]

They covered all of those concerns in their blog. It doesn't really inflate the economy that much. The economy gets inflated at the rate of those alchemy items coming into the game, not at the rate the items are actually being alched. Those items will get alched regardless whether they're being alched 30x rate or not

[inner dew]

only ppl who can worldhop are big group or got scout alts which is both just silly, u shouldnt have to organise ur guys to go thru every world its too much

or ofc if u just really patient lmao

[next sequoia]

let me find the blog....

"Next, we saw a handful of concerns about inflation as a result of this proposal. Ultimately, inflation is driven primarily by the rate at which 'alchables' enter the game, rather than the rate at which they are alchemised. What we mean by this is that the end destination of items like Elemental Battlestaves, Onyx bolt (e)s, various Rune items etc. is still likely to be High Alchemy (or being sold to shops to negate the Nature rune cost). The actual GP 'value' of alchable items in the game would remain unchanged with an update like this, which makes it a pretty unique moneymaker."

"What we mean by 'unique' moneymaker is that it's rare for us to implement moneymakers that don't fall victim to things like: giving out supplies and harming their value (which ultimately reduces the activity's profitability), giving out alchables and increasing the volume of GP in-game, or giving out uniques that tend to fall in value over time (and historically, hasn't been a popular approach for Wilderness content). This proposal is interesting in that it does serve as a strong moneymaker for anybody willing to take the risk required to get the most out of it, but that the money made is relatively self-contained."

the rate at which alchables ENTER the game.

that is what causes the inflation

The community over -reacted imo and kept thinking about "BOTS" or clans locking down, or inflation! all of that was addressed in the blog.

it failed by 2.9% shame. It would've been a really fun thing to do (at least for me) high risk high reward pushed to its limits

[brazen fox]

Even worse 300 clans controlling the area on different worlds

[next sequoia]

No chance. lol

[brazen fox]

GTO play would be not to fight and simply make billions of gp per hour

[inner dew]

GTO?

thats true tho maybe if they limit number of ppl per world who are doing the alching lmao

i think its just needs more mechanics to it

it should be setup so you make even more money if u bring expensive alch items like rune gear

[wooden basin]

Anything to lure uims into the wild

[next sequoia]

uims would definitely not be the target audience for that update