pvp-discussion

[delicate slate]

Thanks! I just gotta find someone to practice with then. None of my friends that play have any want or will to learn to Pk. LMS seems to be full of crazy sweats as well lol

[forest kraken]

You want to practice against the sweats

It’s the fastest way to improve

You don’t wanna be playing against noobs or you’ll never get better

[delicate slate]

That’s true, I just find myself panicking and then my inventory gets messed up and sometimes I just give up lol

When they start woox walking on my ass on dd ing under me my brain quits working

[winged thorn]

how is your invy setup currently?

i find it so interesting seeing peoples setups

[forest kraken]

Just gotta keep practicing mate, those guys have been doing that every day for 20 years

But it won’t take you anywhere near that long to get as good as them if you keep practicing with them

Just look at Sardaco he got an infernal cape after starting the game only a few months ago

And he was never a good wow player at all

[halcyon finch]

instead of multi revs lets just bring back old singles. make 30 or 40 wilderness lvl and up old singles

[brazen fox]

Agreed

Fight the best pkers that will give u the time for fights

Been getting violated for almost a year now and it’s helped me constantly improve

Just leave the ego at the door and learn

Ez

[brazen fox]

Inventory is an easy solve

[forest kraken]

And how does this benefit the multi clans exactly?

[brazen fox]

U go back to staff and shield every hit and nothing moves

Plus staff and shield maximises ur def bonuses - staves have massive magic def

Go back to tank gear every hit, including staff and shield, and everything becomes way simpler

I probs have a clip somewhere

[delicate slate]

A clip would be huge, I always mess up if I’m trying to spec I’ll end up forgetting to switch back my original wep and have it at the bottom or something. And then I keep forgetting to swap to offense prayers before I swap my gear so I’ll catch myself doing it after and they’ve already switched def prayers by then

[forest kraken]

I think it’s good to remember than multi is an intended thing in this game, and jagex actively encourages PvP clans

[brazen fox]

This was vs “terminator bot” in lms, it’s a slowwww clip cuz there’s nothing rly to winning vs bots, but the main thing is I click tank every hit and my inv never ever changes

Also if u struggle vs those bots its helpful bcos u can legit just click a couple times every 3 seconds and win… just time ur bolts and they’ll be off prayer and on robe bottoms so u shouldn’t rly lose barring crazy rng

But yh most ppl I know struggle when inv is disordered, it’s more about keeping it ordered in the first place

[brazen fox]

Def prayers thing is just a timing issue too, ur giving them time to react… u wanna stay in tank w staff and shield til last tick then swap+attack, watch vid
If ur holding cbow and bolt ragging me why am I ever gonna change off range pray? Then if I know ur not timing ur hits and I see u equip whip early im just praying melee

U turn into jad at that point

Offensive prayers super important but get a feel for timing first, use attack timer metronome plugin to help

Final point about the inventory is there are some occasions where it’ll get messed, just reverse the clicks u did away from staff shield
Eg
Staff shield -> cbow -> dds def
Undo it by clicking the same slots in reverse order
dds def -> cbow shield -> staff
Everything is back in place 👍

Sry a lot of text if u need clarification or want a clip of something lmk

[delicate slate]

I appreciate all the help! I’m at work right now, but once I get home I’m gonna look over everything again and put these tips to work. I definitely have got to get better about switching back to tank gear after each hit and swapping prayers.

[brazen fox]

Any time man if u have questions or get confused just @ me

[latent relic]

Just to add when looking at your overheads you kind of want to predict what your opponent will do next like recognizing your health is low and switching to protect against his spec knowing he's going to probably try to spec you. Default should always be in your tank at least then if they do catch you off prayer your less vulnerable

[jade ledge]

Rofled!

Its okay, after all those years farming rev pvmers/pkers we should have enough money to bond 10+ accs

[minor aspen]

i think we're still outnumbered. The thing is that the wilderness is at this point a totally seperate game from the rest of the world

they just can't be polled together

[granite sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kwDlejsbyU colonello over here writing the singles team origins 😭

[jade ledge]

Anybody got a logic about the difference in loots comparing callisto with (multi) revs? Averagely callisto drops 120k* more.

[winged thorn]

not even sure that was taken into consdieration

[jade ledge]

Yeah I can't really wrap my head around it. It has shared loots, revs doesnt. Callisto does have some % minimum of regular loots or something - erm idk

Plus single zone revs has equal loots

[granite sphinx]

that video was actually a good watch tbh, kinda sad they went the route of squashing all kinda of clan activity within the wildy

[delicate slate]

So say barrage, swap to black dhide to tank the hit and then either swap back to robes and barrage again or use range basically? then when swapping I should always change offense prayer first then swap gear? so they cant predict

And any specific plug ins that might help me start?

[latent relic]

Yeah but make sure you focus your overheads vs their attack and brew while attacking so you can keep your HP high

Don't worry about being brewed down while attacking. Prepotting a menaphite remedy helps but just do brew 3 restore 1 attacking every time

Save your hard food for double and triple eats because the hard food delays your next attack, brew sips won't

[glacial gate]

Ive been busy on dmm did someone say multi revs

👀

[brazen fox]

Yeah, basically, but to go into excruciating detail:

tank is your “default state”

Ideally, the only time you aren’t in that state is the tick you’re attacking, so there is no “reaction time”

E.g. CORRECT:
tick 1: in tank, opponent hits
tick 2: in tank
tick 3: in tank, swap gear + red x opponent
tick 4: in robes/cbow, barrage/bolt has gone off, tank swap
tick 5: in tank
tick 6: opponent hits your tank

INCORRECT:
tick 1: in tank, opponent hits
tick 2: click robes/cbow
tick 3: idle telling ur opponent what ur hitting with
tick 4: hit, click tank
tick 5: in tank
tick 6: opponent hits

It’ll take time to get there with barraging especially but keep working on it

Plugin wise “attack timer metronome” is great but it’s broken with staffs atm - just uses their melee attack speed

It’ll give u countdown like this - u can practice:
hold staff
bolt
back to staff
wait timer to hit 1
click robes and barrage

Here’s what it looks like when someone actually good does it - prayers turn into guesses

IMO with defensive prayers outside of specs it’s kinda a “guess unless u notice they 2tick stuff” and u get a feel for it anyway

Plus getting bolted on robes is as much expected dmg as getting bolted off pray on tank so 🤷

[minor aspen]

#developer-news message

😭

[fringe fjord]

no one has talked in it since like a year lol

no discussions in the general chat since 2024

while it was active it was just a circle jerk channel for multi clans who all told their members to apply

[granite sphinx]

Nobody is allowed to talk anymore since that day lol, it’s closed down, just archived

[fringe fjord]

multi pkers or even people who want to NH/hybrid are a small subsection of an already small subsection of people who want to do pvp in the first place I have no idea why they give them so much attention when they should just focus on making bh good

[delicate slate]

You are a legend btw, sorry for the late response but I'm going through everything you've said in great detail to try and work on a couple things

[cerulean saddle]

How much more development does veng pking need? Lmao is this not one of the most successful versions of BH? What would you change? 🤑

[kind narwhal]

hi

does someone have a setup to dclaw anti pk

at chaos altar

[winged thorn]

Balli claw veng

Oh I’m thinking lower wild chaos altar

[kind narwhal]

is this good

[kind narwhal]

dang i waited 5 minutes and no one showed up

[winged thorn]

305 is pretty active but they may know that you’re a bait & they may be a bit harder to escape

[kind narwhal]

why 305

[inner dew]

'the wilderness should have zero reason to ever go there, and it should have no pvp too.'
-albert einstein on his reddit acc

[winged thorn]

304 for gmt & 305 for America are just hotspot worlds for altar

[kind narwhal]

oh

[inner dew]

but really its wild how every reddit comment im reading is just ignorant to how safe the wildy is let alone acknowledging that anti pk, and escapes/tanking exist

there should be a PSA that explains the prey vs predator argument is absurd and playing an iron then complaining the game is harder is also absurd

personally im all for dumbing down the clicking skills in pvp (like shift click under ppl, autocast barrage), because then i think it creates more room for adding new mechanics since if you are less occupied with switches then u can put more effort towards mindgames/strategy

an EoC that keeps almost all of the existing (or more like, 2007 OG mechanics) mechanics intact would be ideal i think

my fav games lately have been ones where u can fight outnumbered, i would die for a runescape where theres mechanics to help sweats take on 2 ppl at once for example

keeping the original chaos of pj'ing and multi but with huge outplay potential

[minor aspen]

I was playing Rust a ton, but moved timezones so can't really link up with the boys as much anymore. I suppose when the TTK is much shorter there's more outplay potential

[inner dew]

yep thats one way, tho i think u can have just about any if balanced right

the melee style games (chivalry/mordhau) work great when u can 2 or 3 shot kill with melee. but u can potentially survive forever because successful parries deal zero dmg to u

they also rely alot on heal on kills, so u can rack up killstreaks fairly easily and have insane momentum

and the parry system usually is quite forgiving so if u parry one enemy then it automatically parries incoming attacks during ur next swing

hard to translate those mechanics sometimes since its not even an mmo

its also kinda a pain we have to worry about alts being so easy to abuse

[inner dew]

also u can hit multiple ppl with one swing. or fakie a swing mid-animation and hit his teammate who is not paying attention

player collision is a huge thing in warhammer online, not really explored at all in runescape i dont think

ofc couldnt have it always cos of the griefing potential

but maybe such as frozen players being not passable. or players with dinhs

only rlly see collision in castle wars with building barricades

[fringe fjord]

A lot because it's very unbalanced with pures being shit now

[fringe fjord]

Anti pking is usually either pointless or fucks up efficiency so bad it's still pointless everywhere besides revs because the average pker risks nothing and you lose gp an hour doing it

Only works if you stand around in the few places that shit gp for the hell of it

[inner dew]

yeah with how easy it is to just escape instead and then return back to the grind, and many other factors im sure

[fringe fjord]

The risk to reward barely warrants having to escape

[inner dew]

worldhop "escape"

[fringe fjord]

The wildy bosses make like 2m an hour and it's in 20+ and all pkers there are max or max meds

There is literally no reason to do that content unless you're like 90 combat base 70s random main

So you have to be giga overleveled for it just to deal with pkers but when you are you make more money outside of the wilderness so there's no point being there

[inner dew]

remove tping past lvl 1 wildy 🙏 + no worldhop

[fringe fjord]

If you're anti pking at artio godspeed to you but it's literally like tier 70 content on a good day so if you're able to go up against the pkers there you're still just wasting your time because you could be making 6x the money outside of the wilderness with your stats so you're just doing it for the hell of it

The wilderness bosses are giga easy but so is shit like baron and that pukes out 4m+ an hour with mediocre gear

[inner dew]

what if wildy boss spawns based on ur cmb lvl

scales loot

that way more recycable content

[fringe fjord]

It's still in level 25 wilderness

That's the issue not the boss

i think it's fair for level 80-90 mains that wilderness content is designed for to be dealing with pures their level but i don't think it's fair for them to be dealing with max med levels and mains that are 25 combat levels higher

if you're 70 def you'll have no issues tanking a pure in the current year realistically

and as a result of them being able to be attacked by meds those pures can also be attacked by meds which means there's no pures either

it's also fair that they'd have to tank a few levels so you'd realistically want 10 levels but only within 5 combat levels bracket of their combat

so the current bracketing or rather lack of bracketing in the wilderness doesnt work

you don't want people to fight +25 combats but you do want people to fight +5 combats for 10 levels.

if it's like this then it becomes more relevant for people to make specific builds around the level the people theyre targeting are at instead of just being max meds shitting on everything

current meta is absolutely shit for pvp diversity

[inner dew]

right so probably a slower more linear wildy lvl range then it ramps up quickly in deep wildy

or like where the fence is it just jumps a bunch of lvls

maybe starts at lvl 5 too frm the ditch

[fringe fjord]

yes

it shouldn't really go much higher than like 10 levels around your combat for most of the wilderness maybe 15 like pvp worlds

it's not healthy to both the people pvming nor pk'ers because they're just all going to get stomped by meds who shit on everything as long as the current bracketing stays there

[inner dew]

what about those meme accounts who are super low lvl but ppl their lvl cant kill them cos they are like rlly high hp

i think like 20s or 30s lvl

[fringe fjord]

godspeed to them but people cant kill them now either

[inner dew]

maybe just need more monsters to deal with them for the content they do lol

[fringe fjord]

you can already be unkillable as long as you're in singles if you make an alt the same level and just box yourself when a pker gets near until they leave

[inner dew]

yea boxing is op

[fringe fjord]

besides those accounts cant really do anything efficiently besides hunting chins or turning in keys which really arent great moneymakers

[inner dew]

i was reading up online to see if anyone had a giga brain way to make boxing fixed or a workaround

not much luck tho

[inner dew]

yea they are funny tho

[fringe fjord]

summoning tanks were my favorite builds back in the day for multi

[inner dew]

def pures mustve been super happy when summoning released lol

[fringe fjord]

there's no place for summoning on osrs though but i do think they should have a place they take forever to make anyway

[inner dew]

i never got far into summoning i just remembering getting up to like terror birds

[fringe fjord]

they were almost relevant when serp helm wasn't nerfed yet dfs + 20 venom stack

[inner dew]

theres a good suggestion to work on dfs, make it compatiable with lightbearer too

not sure they have a main hand is it just that bone dagger thing?

[fringe fjord]

not that useful because they fight pures which have no defence to begin with

they usually use fast weapons like the ham or swift blade

[inner dew]

oh yeah

[cerulean saddle]

So youre asking for jagex to cater to 1 def pures in BH pking? Thats super niche. In contrast, maxed main multi combat warring and pking is core to RS2's identity.

[inner dew]

i want rune armor to have no mage negative bonuses so mage tanks can rule

[cerulean saddle]

This is private server type of talk

Lol

Mage tanks would be cool to be good again tho

[fringe fjord]

bh and pvp worlds are like 90% pvp

why bother fixing the wilderness for the 7 people that enjoy it lmao

NH is literally a niche of a niche of a niche

[winged thorn]

Because this is just out of touch lmfao

Changing the entire wilderness because you think you have the right answer because “7 people only engage with it” is asinine

[fringe fjord]

every second spend promoting nh pvp is a second wasted

will never appeal to a wider audience

[winged thorn]

You’ve got manufactured fights in the form of PvP wolds & BH

What more do you want?

DMM is quite literally promoting NH PvP lol

& it’s very refreshing seeing new people test it out

[fringe fjord]

?

people watching it doesn't mean they're interested in doing it themselves

[winged thorn]

#dmm-annihilation you should go scroll here

For an hour

& then tell me people are only watching it lol

[inner dew]

open world pvp is more unpredictable thats what interests me

[fringe fjord]

only a minority in the designated nh pvp game mode actually nh's should tell you enough

[winged thorn]

What evidence is that based on?

[fringe fjord]

most avoid it altogether and just bolt breaches and skill

[winged thorn]

It’s fair to say most

But you’re being disingenuous

New people are testing out NH PvP

Some are enjoying it

That’s good for PvP as a whole

[fringe fjord]

it's the same people that already did it to begin with

[winged thorn]

You shouldn’t want to diminish that

[fringe fjord]

zero new players are doing NH lmao

[winged thorn]

I don’t think so

[cerulean saddle]

Kald youre the guy stuck in the niche bro

[winged thorn]

There’s a lot of people (if you would just scoop, or maybe search) how many people say they’re gonna practice LMS after dmm

[fringe fjord]

bh and pvp worlds are 90% of pvp

[cerulean saddle]

Modern Rs2/osrs main pvp style is multi combat clan warring and single NH fights

[inner dew]

in business classes we were taught that niches are a good thing to target

[fringe fjord]

only if they're not flat broke

[winged thorn]

Is there a reason you’re ignoring the multi clans that collectively pull ~1000 peopl

?

[fringe fjord]

are they in the room with us right now

[winged thorn]

They could be if you want?

[cerulean saddle]

Dont ask for that my g

[winged thorn]

But we’ve tried to limit that

[cerulean saddle]

Trust

[winged thorn]

As this is a new space

But your wish can be granted if you want?

[cerulean saddle]

[winged thorn]

Or maybe pm me

& I share the disc link

& you can decide for yourself

[fringe fjord]

1000 people bolting eachother in salads while spamming slurs is peak content trust

[winged thorn]

Your assumptions are just bad

It’s rage baity

No reason to engage anymore lol

[cerulean saddle]

Its all about the multi action my bro real multi pkers are not simply bolting its rapid piles fat clumps the most intense action in this game

[winged thorn]

Nah dude lol waiting for a 20 arrow to gmaul is peak PvP lol

[cerulean saddle]

Join a clan and check it out

[winged thorn]

& then doing it again

[fringe fjord]

multi clans are the worst niche in the entirety of pvp

game would be better off erasing it entirely

[winged thorn]

I love spec dumping 25/8

That shit is peak fr

[cerulean saddle]

I got news for you my g

Pvp clans been in the game since day 1

[winged thorn]

PvP clans are why the game exists!

[cerulean saddle]

You wanna get technical lets talk about Rs1 1v1s

Id rather 1v1 on rs1 than msb gmaul all day on 1def

[winged thorn]

It’s almost like a YouTube video was put up about the history of PvP recently

That fella should educate himself

& join a clan

[fringe fjord]

the video that shows that multi clans are gatekeepers, and historically the most toxic communities in the entire game?

[winged thorn]

No lol

You must not have watched it

[cerulean saddle]

Self centered individual

[winged thorn]

I think instead of us bashing each other we should agree pvp is a minority in general

& then stop trying to remove things from each other

[cerulean saddle]

Word

[winged thorn]

It’s asinine for someone who doesn’t engage in multi wildy to dictate what’s best

[inner dew]

i think pvp is a majority in online games

[winged thorn]

Same as it is for me, who doesn’t really engage in BH, to dictate what happens there

[cerulean saddle]

Lol yeah some of these guys pipe up w no resume

[fringe fjord]

wilderness content affects everyone bh content only affects people who are in the minigame

not the same thing

bh rewards can't be used outside of bh

[cerulean saddle]

Only affects those who enter the wilderness

Hop that ditch bro

[fringe fjord]

so everyone

[winged thorn]

Yeah true if you don’t hop ditch

You’re good

[inner dew]

you can buy voidwaker from ge

[cerulean saddle]

The wilderness food chain isnt gonna change cuz the bottom tier is crying

[fringe fjord]

as long as there's necessary upgrades there that's everyone

ye lemme buy mage cape 2 from ge

[cerulean saddle]

Jagex knows this

[winged thorn]

Good news is everything is being replaced by lower tier slop for iron memes lol

[fringe fjord]

good let wilderness pk'ers starve

[cerulean saddle]

Lol but kald what do u rly wanna have them do to bh for pures

I am curious

[winged thorn]

That’s insane lol

[winged thorn]

Do you really think if you let the wildy starve it’s good for BH?

[cerulean saddle]

Hes traumatised

[winged thorn]

Like please take away your biased

[cerulean saddle]

From losing his 100k

[winged thorn]

For a second

[inner dew]

do ppl get pked doing mage arena 2?

cant u risk like 10k or something

[fringe fjord]

i mean the proposed rev update wants to put rev entries around the arena lol

just makes it even worse

[winged thorn]

?

The wilderness dangerous?

Oh lord the horror

Good thing there’s 365 worlds beast

[fringe fjord]

necessary content in level 50 where level 80s can be attacked by max mains btw

[winged thorn]

Like you said there’s only 8 ppl in the wild

Your odds are great

👍

[inner dew]

but i dont get how is it bad a single item in the game requires stepping in the wilderness

[winged thorn]

Its not, I think they’re just so used to echo chambers lol

[fringe fjord]

idk how you think content in which you're able to be attacked by 50+ combat is going to fundamentally fun for the people who need to do it ever

its not

[cerulean saddle]

Stay singles

[fringe fjord]

and still get attacked by max main at 80?

[cerulean saddle]

Train defense

[inner dew]

is it harder to get infernal cape or mage arena 2 cape

[fringe fjord]

and get attacked by max main at 90?

[cerulean saddle]

Be lv 126

[fringe fjord]

?

[cerulean saddle]

How many acc u got?

[fringe fjord]

why would you be in the wilderness at 126?

go kill baron for 5m an hour instead

[cerulean saddle]

You should just leave the chat

[winged thorn]

To hit other mains lol

To pk

[fringe fjord]

?

[cerulean saddle]

If u only got 1 acc

[winged thorn]

You think I pk for money?

[fringe fjord]

no content in the wilderness is good money past like 80 combat

[cerulean saddle]

And ur complaining this much

[winged thorn]

Do you think I am torvesta

[cerulean saddle]

Idk what to tell u

No1 cares about gp

[winged thorn]

Bro has the profit per hour plugin going while he pks

Lord have mercy

[cerulean saddle]

If a zerk hits u on ur pure log in on ur med brotha

[next comet]

*Pking for gp in the big 26 🥀 💔 *

[cerulean saddle]

If a main hits ur med log in ur main

[winged thorn]

I’m picking up serious backpack mage vibes from this guy

[fringe fjord]

'just always be overleveled and pick on lower levels'

thanks for demonstrating how bad multi pkers are once again

[cerulean saddle]

Lmaoooo

[fringe fjord]

once again, most toxic community in the entire game, would actively improve the playerbase if it was entirely erased

[cerulean saddle]

Enjoy ur non veng bh pking dude

[next comet]

BH pkers are the saints of the community 👼

[winged thorn]

I mean it’s your choice to go that deep

You can pk at Zombie pirates?

Slayer caves?

Mammoths are even active

Like?

Don’t go 50 wild it’s just mains there anyways right? So why go

[next comet]

Calling other pvp communities toxic when you're BH pker is quite ironic

[fringe fjord]

i dont lol

[winged thorn]

Ok great

[supple spire]

bh needs changing

[fringe fjord]

yeah bh needs more updates

[winged thorn]

I’m glad we’ve established that

[supple spire]

im happy bh is a thing , but some improvements would be nice

[cerulean saddle]

Like what

[fringe fjord]

mainly there's a giga power difference between pures and everything else right now

[cerulean saddle]

Like 50 defs?

[fringe fjord]

basically pures are currently the worst build in bh

[winged thorn]

Make something else

Metas change!

That’s just PvP lol

[fringe fjord]

i dont play pures anymore but it do be sad

[supple spire]

well the fact you can rag with the morrigans jav , or 1 item an abby dagger and max stack players that have less than 10 kills under their belt

and the learning curve is soo steep it puts soo many people off

[winged thorn]

So an elo?

[supple spire]

maybe yes

[winged thorn]

You’ll never make pvp in osrs fair imo

[fringe fjord]

fighting within 5 combats is pretty fair

[winged thorn]

There will always be some kind of gap

That doesn’t mean you’re at the same skill lvl

[cerulean saddle]

Have u ever been in a multi fight kald jw

[fringe fjord]

skill lvl not that relevant in bh if you're lucky enough you can still kill the best player and make some money

[winged thorn]

Yeah idk, this kinda sounds like skill lvl?

[fringe fjord]

i watch the rag wars happen

[winged thorn]

Sorry to ping didn’t mean to

[fringe fjord]

it is funny but such terrible content

[supple spire]

all good

[cerulean saddle]

Rag wars is not an actual fight

[winged thorn]

Rag wars aren’t the only PvP

That happens in multi

[fringe fjord]

most multi fights literally end up being rag fests

[winged thorn]

And even then, most who participate love it

[fringe fjord]

no matter how it starts thats how it always ends after 5 return sets

[winged thorn]

No not true lol

[cerulean saddle]

The skill ceiling goes way higher than just mechanics and accurate clicks

[fringe fjord]

funny but arguably terrible content

[winged thorn]

The last rag war was before Christmas

There’s been plenty of fights since then

So what you’re saying is false lol

Making broad generalizations is where you get into trouble

But to be completely fair, clearing your rival in 1 item is a great feeling

[cerulean saddle]

Kald you should join a clan on ur main and try a matched opts P2P war thats actually set up and prepped, then u will see what we mean

[fringe fjord]

as much as I enjoy hearing people scream who to clump I'd have to decline

[supple spire]

rag wars hardly happen , planned wars turn into rag wars to test return times and dedication to returning

[winged thorn]

Or if it’s against a rival

[fringe fjord]

multi fights are usually basically in rag gear

[winged thorn]

& that’s good for PvP

At least the multi scene agrees

[supple spire]

multi fights happen because two teams are out in the same area at the same time

[cerulean saddle]

This divisive behavior is not coming from the multi scene

[supple spire]

multi pking is a lower risk activity than singles pkinhjg

[winged thorn]

I’d argue multi js the easiest way for a noob to learn

[fringe fjord]

damn 700k average

[supple spire]

facts

[winged thorn]

Pressure is reduced off of yoh for a lot of things

[fringe fjord]

f2p is even easier

f2p bh when

[cerulean saddle]

Looool

[winged thorn]

L0l

[cerulean saddle]

Hahaha

[winged thorn]

You got it buddy

[supple spire]

f2p have active worlds north of ferox all the time

[fringe fjord]

yeah but new people dont know everyone is at ferox

[supple spire]

maybe add f2p bh and add the old corrupted d scimmy etc

[fringe fjord]

thats what i was thinking

[supple spire]

good shout tbh

[fringe fjord]

not big into that but i would do it on my phone at work

[winged thorn]

Pls fellas we barely get pvp updates

You want our first one in years

To be for f2p ?

[fringe fjord]

yes

[supple spire]

if its an update that would pass why not suggest more things

[winged thorn]

I pray for us

[fringe fjord]

i dont think there's anything more beginner friendly than that would be

[winged thorn]

I mean I’m not arguing

[fringe fjord]

clan pking still requires you to have some degree of eq

[supple spire]

i dont think jagex are apposed to pvp updates its just fitting them in and not shaking other communities

[winged thorn]

It’s just that we don’t get PvP updates

& this would be for F2P lol

[fringe fjord]

f2p pking you can do while you're on a breathing machine in the hospital barely able to move 2 fingers

[winged thorn]

Idk just hurt my brain o guess

[fringe fjord]

its not f2p pvp update vs a wilderness update lol

[supple spire]

by bringing in smaller changes that easy non pvps into the wilderness helps the wildy grow , you carnt start chucking in huge updates that will just get downvoted

[fringe fjord]

its that would pass and nothing to the wilderness passes

[winged thorn]

Luckily content being removed from wildy has never been polled

I’d assume if wildy changes were made it wouldn’t be polled

[supple spire]

well im glad they reversed the planned multi changes.. that would have been terrible

[winged thorn]

I wonder who suggested that

Which streamer

[inner dew]

the teleblock thing?

[supple spire]

yeah and i think people something come up with ideas without knowing the mutli scene

[fringe fjord]

to be fair putting mage cape 2 in the mage training arena compared to deep wild would hardly be an improvement

[winged thorn]

Well yeah fella typing in here with us is case in point

[inner dew]

that one was just really strange

[winged thorn]

The 2 minute timer before returning to wild if in combat & skulled and other bullshit arbitrary rules

[inner dew]

yep

[wooden basin]

Doesnt that puzzle mean downs syndrome or something

[fringe fjord]

already at 80k dmm points despite barely playing

wonder how cheap the rewards gonna be after it's done i want some of the older rewards

[safe glade]

It's a symbol for autism

@fringe fjord let's be nice

[fringe fjord]

didnt insult anyone

[wooden basin]

Thank you i knew it was something like that

[winged thorn]

I really just wish as a collective, instead of bashing each other for each others pvp taste

We’d unite

But alas

[covert musk]

We need to remove tp/tb dynamic and Instead add 20 safezones, amirite @heavy rune beast?

[granite sphinx]

Just read a take from someone saying we can’t have multi caves cuz it takes away from singles which is already too crowded

[winged thorn]

Yeah reading Reddit just hurts my brain

[granite sphinx]

That was a twitter goober but still

[iron thistle]

If only there was something they could do about being crowded out of revs by another player 🤔

[granite sphinx]

Yeah…. Annoying that you can’t do anything about it

[winged thorn]

Genuinely I wonder how manked feels

Poor guy can’t get anything pvp to pass

Keep going fella if you reading this

Surely one day they let us have fun again

[granite sphinx]

Yeah it’s gotta be pretty disheartening to start working for jagex only for them to essentially stop supporting pvp entirely in favor of pvm lol

[covert musk]

I agree, it violates their personal space

[next comet]

It would be nice to see some mechanic in place to prevent people from escaping to the multi area when they were just farming revs in singles. This happens a lot in the current caves

[granite sphinx]

Honestly the funniest comment I’d read in here so far that had me baffled

[covert musk]

LOOL

[rapid canopy]

Idk man I read a reddit comment the other day saying Jagex spends all their dev time forcing people into pvp and catering to the pvp community. They didn’t seem salty and seething at all so it must be true

[granite sphinx]

Yeah, I do hope jagex sees that, looks at the # of Wildy updates we’ve gotten in the last two years, and realize that no matter what they do they’ll never please those people so just ignore their feedback

[covert musk]

Unpopular opinion, what if actual pkers were to decide and vote on wildy updates only 👀

[rapid canopy]

It’s actually insane seeing what a bubble that place is. Everyone just fully convinced that their opinion of hating pvp is the only one that exists

[next comet]

I've had the pleasure of reading some absolute gem pvp takes from the top 1% posters since the blog was released yesterday

[heavy rune]

Reddit is bad and so are a large chunk of pkers that don't help their case by spamming the rhetoric set by their group leader and have 0 actual understanding of game balance.

It's always the same shit and being so unwilling to compromise or try out new layouts.

[heavy rune]

He needs to stop trying to shove content in sub-30 wildy. Every single time there's something remotely profitable at low level wildy, it gets repeatedly nerfed.

Zombie Pirates, Lv20 Singles Bosses, Rev Caves

Multi Revs, but 35+

[granite sphinx]

It’s even funnier that like, I understand disliking pvp, but their fundamental lack of understanding of the entire game is just hilarious to me. Like the guy who told me we needed singles+ to prevent d spear speccing people into ancient mace teams and was dead serious about it

[heavy rune]

If you get caught that close to multi to get dspeared

[granite sphinx]

I don’t even see that many pkers doing this is the issue, there’s some here and there but not actually that many people are that unreasonable that are pkers lol

[covert musk]

While we on this topic, bring back infinite d spear specs

[granite sphinx]

No he actually thought people were getting maced in singles because you could “pj” pre timer

That’s the level of understanding we’re dealing with lol

[heavy rune]

breh

[granite sphinx]

It’s easier than ever to spear people into multi now with the pj timer honestly so it made that issue (if you even find that to be an issue) worse lmao

[rapid canopy]

I do agree feeling shitty for Manked. It’s fine to have meh ideas, that should create discussion and lead to better ones, that’s what happens for all other content

But you can’t even get there because it’s immediately overshadowed by screeching about how anything that is remotely pvp-related is wasted dev time

[covert musk]

Implement this ☝️

[heavy rune]

Need more deep wildy multi content, less low level wildy content

[granite sphinx]

Pretty much all Wildy content worth doing is already deep wildy tho

[heavy rune]

[granite sphinx]

That being said all that still needs buffs loot wise, Wildy agil about the only thing worth doing in singles

[heavy rune]

Chaos Altar should also have a 500k deposit to use. That thing is unbalanced as fuck for how good it is.

Die to a pker after recently using altar -> 500k goes to pker.

[mint fiber]

anyone down to lose to me in fight pit for diary lol?

[languid oracle]

Check the friends chat "DeliverItems"

We help with that request a bunch

[mint fiber]

ty man, just got it there tho will keep in mind

[winged thorn]

Yeah I agree. But a lot of folks want the way wildy lvls behave to change

Apparently it’s unfair to be in the deepest part of the wild & get eaten by a bigger fish

[languid oracle]

Delete wilderness levels

Everyone can be attacked across all levels

Teleports North of the "great line" which is level 30 wildy currently won't work
Bam now fuck pures and everyone is prey to bigger fish

[winged thorn]

+1 times a million

I think the most frustrating part is that there isn’t any dialogue

[languid oracle]

Reddit is so sad to read man
It's just outright hatred of even the idea of giving back a part of what was taken away from multi revs unpolled

[winged thorn]

Reddit thinks every world was a racketeering organization lmfao

Reddit thinks iron memes they look up to didn’t participate

It’s just funny to me

[rapid canopy]

It's just such a crazy bubble circlejerk of people who HATE everything that can even be considered pvp-adjacent, and just echo chambering it so everyone there thinks that is the only opinion anyone has

[granite sphinx]

Every world was LOCKED DOWN before, rev weapons were unobtainable unless you paid 2b!!! /s

[minor aspen]

They will even gaslight you about it lol

[rapid canopy]

LMAO

It's also
"I spite vote everything that mentions pvp. I only vote yes to wildy content if it sounds like a cool upgrade or a lucrative activity to me"
...
"why doesn't jagex add actual pvp updates instead of pvm in wildy?? 😡"

[fringe fjord]

pvp content will only pass if it's not in the wilderness and not hybriding.

[winged thorn]

Isn’t BH hybrid pk?

[fringe fjord]

not what people refer to when they say that

[winged thorn]

Thank you for clarifying

[winged thorn]

I can’t wait to load up my 640 clients to camp every single world with my super computer

[fringe fjord]

i used to rag the protection clans and they kept spamming on reddit crying about it

[winged thorn]

Dang weren’t you saying earlier how rags ruins multi? But now you’re saying you rag multi??

😭

[fringe fjord]

takes one to know one

their day sure seemed ruined

[winged thorn]

Personally I don’t rly care about rags lol

It’s funny to me

[fringe fjord]

i just watch in a corner when there's a rag war and when there's a normal war I loot 10m in mystics in an hour

[winged thorn]

You said earlier multi fights are just rags & there isn’t mystics??

Are you the same guy?

[fringe fjord]

no i said they still devolve into rags

they take mystics for 3 deaths and then grab salads

either that or its always salads

[winged thorn]

I’m glad you know the ins & outs of the entire clan scene

It’s pretty nice

I’m going to send you a pm if that’s ok @fringe fjord

Just so we don’t spam this chat

[winged thorn]

I wouldn’t even bother with that fella tbh

Just pray he doesn’t get Manked’s position

[subtle jetty]

Hell ya now the botters can protect their bots with huge groups in multi

[fringe fjord]

it's not like it has any chance of passing

[brazen fox]

What’s the criticism of manked’s rev update?

Seemed nice, deep wildy caves is p cool

[fringe fjord]

average player only has negative experiences with multi

they're the ones that get scouted by a bot and piled by a team of 30.

[brazen fox]

But there’s singles too

[fringe fjord]

the singles area is significantly smaller with poorer escape routes on that design

its literally made in a way that makes escape hard

[brazen fox]

Ah not sure about the singles bit being significantly smaller, especially from a pvmer PoV, but it’s fairly minor

[fringe fjord]

all the mobs are literally in dead ends on the design with the exit being around corners

[brazen fox]

IMO escape being harder isn’t a bad thing maybe it’ll encourage ppl to bring freezes for freeze log

And will improve wildy health long term

Maybe they freeze log for a bit then try fighting back etc

Next thing we got new pkers

[fringe fjord]

so its the current wilderness revs but worse? why would anyone vote for that

why purposely vote to make the area you can use as single player smaller

[brazen fox]

How is it worse? It’s just different

[fringe fjord]

its literally smaller

[brazen fox]

Meh there’s like three spots atm

[minor aspen]

inside the pitch my biggest criticisms are:

1. Map layout, wish they would reuse bits of the current one. the 89 agility shortcut is really cool. Narrow corridors are weird.
2. Multi area is too small, map related probably - feels very isolated
3. Waaay too many entrances.
4. I'm not a big fan of entry fees, I would vote for none at all to start, then increase it if needed.

[brazen fox]

They’re just far apart

[minor aspen]

Other than that, I'd be happy if some iteration of it came through - because something's better than nothing.

[brazen fox]

Corners massively favour pvmers for freeze log

Which is fine and prob a good thing. Grab seeds if ur killing pvmers, drop a brew or a gear swap, plan ahead instead of running them down

[minor aspen]

I'm a bit salty over the whole ordeal of this being a survey/poll over things the pvp community seems to want and has gone through balance changes without polling before. That being said I'm thankful for Manked giving any kind of push that he is for this content.

[fringe fjord]

idk man getting frozen in slayer cave sucks and it has that kind of design

[brazen fox]

Ngl rev caves rn is way too big

[minor aspen]

agreed, they could use a shrinking and condensing

[languid oracle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/Dw79LXaC8q

Amazing that this gets upvotes

And people going "yesssss totally bro"

[covert musk]

fire ngl

[languid oracle]

When he wants the content to have 0 tradeable rewards and solely cosmetics

He said "pvpers don't care about loot they want a good fight and prestige"

And Redditors eat it up

[covert musk]

Hes promoting miniwar aka he prolly belongs to one of a few clans we most likely know.. XD

[granite sphinx]

I love the people on Reddit who want to remove literally all rewards for PvP and they think that’ll make it more popular amongst people

[minor aspen]

reminds me of people trying to avoid negative emotions and feelings, like overbearing mothers.

[covert musk]

word..

[winged thorn]

We should just remove freezes

We should remove the wildy

We should remove PvP!

[winged thorn]

It insinuates the wildy would be made safe, no brainer imo that it’s upvoted

[fringe fjord]

too big for what, securing loot pinatas?

[winged thorn]

Finding other pkers

[fringe fjord]

ok but why would anyone vote to make it easier for pkers to find them in the cave

[winged thorn]

Because if it’s easier for a pker to find a pker maybe that leave the pvmer to be in peace

[fringe fjord]

lmao

[minor aspen]

This is a quick idea of how I would be interested in seeing the cave re-done. the area could be reduced a bit more probably.

[winged thorn]

Lmao I agree

You don’t debate in good faith

[fringe fjord]

you are literally a rot member

[winged thorn]

It’s a waste of time to exchange dialogue with you

And?

Now what?

[fringe fjord]

game would 100% be better off without you lol

[winged thorn]

Game likely wouldn’t exist today without clans like RoT

[fringe fjord]

anything that actually makes you enjoy this game is a net negative to everyone else

[covert musk]

we lowk need more worlds to hop into

[winged thorn]

I’ve been here discussing PvP for a long time now

It seems like you’re the only one upset about me being in RoT

[winged thorn]

You serious?

[minor aspen]

If i was younger and had more time I would try to join RoT, sounds like an interesting bunch

[fringe fjord]

twice the amount of worlds

[covert musk]

Yeah im sick of not hopping more worlds beast

[winged thorn]

Respect gamer

[winged thorn]

Help 889!!!

[covert musk]

One for each country

[winged thorn]

HELP!

[fringe fjord]

3 for every province at least

[minor aspen]

oops i went to 1889

omw

[covert musk]

even the islands belonging to an imperial country XD

[fringe fjord]

sovjet russia server

[covert musk]

LIT

[winged thorn]

That names taken already

[fringe fjord]

north korea server

[covert musk]

EUW

[winged thorn]

I’d spam Winnie the Pooh so it was shut down

[fringe fjord]

that's china not korea

[winged thorn]

I’m American

[fringe fjord]

rocket man in that case

[winged thorn]

Back to topic: I think if any changes are going to be made to the Wild, a line in the sand needs to be drawn by the j mods

[minor aspen]

go on

[fringe fjord]

wilderness content usually has to be polled universally because the wilderness isn't just pkers so you can't just throw out a niche poll other players can't engage with so that's probably not going to work out

[covert musk]

Nah that aint it chief

respectfully

[winged thorn]

I agree but you keep ignoring the fact that wilderness content is removed without polling

Stop ignoring that lmfao

[fringe fjord]

this is adding content not removing it

[winged thorn]

You said universally

Lol

[fringe fjord]

i said wilderness content some qol fix that takes something away isn't content

you're gonna have to formulate it in a manner that makes it more appealing to people who want to pvm in the wilderness and don't really have an interest in pvp

[minor aspen]

the content isnt for those people

[fringe fjord]

it affects them so they'll engage in the poll

thus it doesn't pass

[winged thorn]

That’s what I mean by a line in the sand

A statement

This is the wildy!

Don’t engage if you don’t like it

Here is what we are doing

Most times those changes kill PvP

[minor aspen]

yeah they can't serve 2 gods here, they gotta serve the got of chaos first and foremost

[winged thorn]

Yeah otherwise like remove pv from wildy

And enjoy your safe game

Idk lol

[fringe fjord]

the game jam stuff essentially says 'yeah we removed this because it was being abused but we're not sure it's going to be abused this time it might not' which isn't a great precedent to start on

[winged thorn]

I asked this the other day in the main channel but like, if you remove PvP from the wildy what are you left with? Falador basically lol Gz on that

[covert musk]

Promoted to a fally guard

[winged thorn]

Gz on that

[fringe fjord]

you're left with bounty hunter and pvp worlds and everyone there is specifically there because they want to engage in pvp it doesn't have prey dynamics like the wilderness

it also doesn't require community consent because nothing that happens inside bh affects people outside of bh, the armour doesnt work in the rest of the game

[winged thorn]

So the wilderness is falador

Nice lol

[fringe fjord]

more like zeah, largely empty

[winged thorn]

Go there if you want that 😄

[brazen fox]

? Because pkers WANT to be found

[fringe fjord]

the poll would be 99% pvmers voting no

[brazen fox]

Current design is like 5 mins of running to check the cave and there’s 4 spots in the whole cave rly

[fringe fjord]

they dont wanna be found

[brazen fox]

And tbh

PVMers be in the side bits pvming and pkers will hop at the centre part

Massively increasing odds of them finding a pker

Which they will fight instead of the pvmers

[fringe fjord]

most pkers dont wanna fight pkers because they dont risk shit

[brazen fox]

?

?

[fringe fjord]

?

[brazen fox]

?

What

Pkers only hit pvmers cuz bored and can’t find a fight

Pvmers don’t risk

[fringe fjord]

average pker literally risks less than someone that's killed 5 revs

[brazen fox]

Iron Tim is risking 200k and a max set is 40-200m

Lmao

In multi maybe

[fringe fjord]

average pker risks 250k in mystics

[brazen fox]

Mystics alone is 200k g

[fringe fjord]

not even worth anti pking if you can stay for 5 more rev kills you make 2x that

[brazen fox]

Yh I mean

When I pk revs

I rarely ever see mystics

[fringe fjord]

yeah they all quit due to the shit bracketing

[brazen fox]

Bracketing?

[fringe fjord]

all pures n mystic pkers got bullied out of revs by max meds

[winged thorn]

Obfu

I wouldn’t bother lmfao

[brazen fox]

Yeah

I’m realising that

[winged thorn]

He kept moving goalposts earlier

Just not worth it lol

[fringe fjord]

you are literally a rot member

[brazen fox]

Fr

[winged thorn]

And?

Now what?

[brazen fox]

What that got to do with anything

[winged thorn]

Almost perfectly proving he can’t argue in good faith

But hey lol

[fringe fjord]

arguing in good faith with a rot member

[winged thorn]

Now what

[fringe fjord]

if you want it i'm voting no to it by default

[brazen fox]

Tbh teal has been constructive in every convo I seen him in

[winged thorn]

Won’t stop RoT so no problem lol

Even Jagex themselves couldn’t

[fringe fjord]

they're due for another round of having their accounts perm banned indeed

[winged thorn]

Thanks

I try not to be ego or weird here

[winged thorn]

Np will just go again

[brazen fox]

Pure nh at ferox bro

Unfortunately the wilderness gets more dangerous as you go deeper

[covert musk]

Hol up is that cowboy teal?

[brazen fox]

If u wanna bully meds just pk on main

[covert musk]

O

[winged thorn]

If referring to my old clans OG would be preferred

[covert musk]

Mb mb Ex cowboy

@fringe fjord Yo wanna shift guards duty?

[winged thorn]

C u at coffins buddy

[mental tartan]

Yeah yeah, youre just a cheater teal, everyone who is in rot deserves permas and chain bans

Doxing, ddosing, cheating in pvp isnt a flex

[mental tartan]

Kinda cringe that you would say something stupid stuff like this

[covert musk]

@mental tartan I got some news for u beast

[winged thorn]

Him voting no to a PvP poll won’t stop RoT

I’m unsure

What you mean

[covert musk]

Many do, not exclusive to any1

[winged thorn]

Almost like, what I’m saying is, RoT wil continue to exist regardless of if PvP updates are brought into the game

[winged thorn]

Yea

Like

Idk what the point is lol

[fringe fjord]

luckily it's not just me you'd have to convince

multi clans getting nothing is a good thing for the game

[winged thorn]

I don’t think we can convince people to make the proper changes to the Wild

Any changes would have to be integrity

[fringe fjord]

'proper changes' would be to make the wilderness so bad that every member of your clan quits permanently

[winged thorn]

You know what the easiest solution to the korasi & craw bow issue?

Is if they just made it so those items didn’t work where they are META

Simple as & now every iron can stop complaining about being “forced” to the wild

[winged thorn]

Unfortunately, that would lead to all clans leaving, and then going to p servers, something Jagex is already losing revenue to

& arguably, something Jagex is actively trying to fight

[fringe fjord]

worth the cost tbh

just remove revs altogether and stop funneling gold into wilderness slop so it's just pet farmers risking 20k getting just enough supply drops that they dont make a loss

[winged thorn]

Do you think rune rocks are wilderness slop

At one point in this games history, they could only be found in the wilderness

How far we have come

[fringe fjord]

all uniques should be removed from the wilderness

[winged thorn]

I’m so thankful Jagex doesn’t agree :]

Thank God for that!

[fringe fjord]

dpick was already removed from it :p few more years

[minor aspen]

i lowk woudlnt mind if the wilderness moved toward just gp/exp rewards isntead of uniques (aside from wildy weapons).

might be the only way forward, no going back

[winged thorn]

Just make the rev weapons (as intended) only work in wildy lmfao

Everything gets replaced by low tier Ironman slop anyways

It’s not like the craw bow & korasi won’t be replaced by some mid tier quest boss that gives the exact same thing just not as strong

[brazen fox]

Not sure this is very constructive

Also if u have a game suggestion feel free to use #1022203837265756231

But if it’s just yapping consider not yapping and let us discuss our fav content in peace

[winged thorn]

I thought Mod Blossom made rules for this exact situation

[covert musk]

Whole Lotta grying from my fally guard,,

[mental tartan]

Exactly, I hate RoT

All 3 of them defending a cheater clan 💀

[mental tartan]

Cheating isnt allowed in the discord.

[winged thorn]

Are the cheaters here now?

[wooden basin]

Whats going on in this chat lol

[winged thorn]

It’s funny to think that just because people want updates to multi, it makes them RoT automatically lol

[winged thorn]

Twilight zone today

[jade ledge]

To me this multi revs will create a fragmentation of existing multi playerbase

The loots are not convincing me yet

[wooden basin]

They need to reduce revs in singles section tbh

Make pvmers eat each other

[brazen fox]

Bruh respectfully take the clan nonsense elsewhere

[mental tartan]

or what

what you gonna do

[wooden basin]

You'll get kicked

[brazen fox]

[wooden basin]

That was the deal

[brazen fox]

[winged thorn]

It’s a rule made by the mods lol

[mental tartan]

cry

[brazen fox]

<@&385422009930219520>

[mental tartan]

youre cheaters

[wooden basin]

Lol

[brazen fox]

I cheat g for sure

[winged thorn]

Tbf this chat has been open for a bit & this is the first time it’s been just ppl rage baiting all day lol

[latent aurora]

It's not immediately obvious to me what's the issue here. Would one of you please submit a modmail with links to any inappropriate messages?

[winged thorn]

Nice to see it took this long

[latent aurora]

That would be helpful 👍

[fringe fjord]

all 3 of them are in rot and they just ping their clan mates to pretend they're all in favor of it

[mental tartan]

^

@latent aurora

[brazen fox]

I’m not even in rot

Not in any multi clan actually

Not a fan of multi

Find it kinda boring

[winged thorn]

Why do you think everyone here is RoT? People just wanna discuss PvP

It’s disingenuous and pretty derailing

To the whole point of the channel..

[fringe fjord]

you have literally stated several times that you are in rot and spend half an hour sending me rot videos in a private chat

[winged thorn]

Yes?

[mental tartan]

LOL

send that into modmail bro

[winged thorn]

I was trying to have a conversation with you, by providing evidence of multi fights, that didn’t devolve into rag

[mental tartan]

get these dudes banned

i got a cheater selling stuff in his bio banned

literally all you can do

[proper hawk]

@fringe fjord clan affiliation isn't relevant

[mental tartan]

you're literally moderating

for a game

that bans the clan

[fringe fjord]

it's a clan that's literally gotten chainbanned from the game for cheating.

[mental tartan]

lmfao

bans the clan for doxing

[fringe fjord]

literally known for doxxing, ddosing.

[proper hawk]

Oh then if they're already banned then there's no issue

[mental tartan]

ddosing

cheating

[proper hawk]

Moving on

[mental tartan]

but its not relevant??

shit dog

[winged thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-gif-5158399706079840870

[brazen fox]

The thing is we are trying to discuss content, there is only one person in rot here (teal), and u keep rage baiting about rot stuff

[mental tartan]

i guess you tight obfuscated

i may as well join the clan

[brazen fox]

We can’t even discuss the concept of Rev update

[mental tartan]

😂

[brazen fox]

Without u derailing that

[mental tartan]

nah well teal got exposed

[winged thorn]

Yeah we are just trying to talk about PvP lol

[wooden basin]

Btw

[latent aurora]

I think it would be best to move on from the discussion about RoT. I don't think you are going to agree on your opinions about it.

[brazen fox]

Yee we been trying

for like 6h

[winged thorn]

You should be specific about who needs to move on

[mental tartan]

nah u been attacking kald

[latent aurora]

Everyone

[mental tartan]

along side teal

[winged thorn]

Yes we’ve tried to move on a lot

[mental tartan]

obfuscated u being mad beta

[winged thorn]

It’s impossible

[mental tartan]

usiing reacts

to all mod messages

lowkey

[latent aurora]

Well, we can always try a new subject. Have you guys been having fun in DMM today?

[winged thorn]

^ that’s why we can’t move on lol

It’s just keeps going on & on

[latent aurora]

Dw it's taken care of

[winged thorn]

I’m not playing dmm

[latent aurora]

Oh? Why not?

[winged thorn]

Are you playing dmm this year

[latent aurora]

Nah, I'm a scared little baby when it comes to pvp

Been thinking about learning LMS tho

[brazen fox]

This my first dmm tbh

[winged thorn]

Not competitive

[winged thorn]

Gl & if you need advice obfu has a few videos that’ll help

Especially for megatrons

[brazen fox]

U guys got 360 ppl in dmm cc

Kinda nuts

[jade ledge]

^

[brazen fox]

It’s most fun content out there ngl

This time last year I was a mere skiller

[mental tartan]

lowkey boring

[winged thorn]

Loot in multi needs some kinda love

[brazen fox]

Then I learned slowly in lms and wildy eventually

[minor aspen]

In what way? To me the multi space doesn’t seem bug enough

[brazen fox]

And it’s p much all I do on rs now

[minor aspen]

Like it needs to branch out more

[charred thistle]

DMM has been fun, but I know my place on the food chain and its hunting skillers

[glacial gate]

I'm not rot and i want mutli updates. DR literally in the tag right there! XD People are silly!

[brazen fox]

Nah u got this

[mental tartan]

he got exposed from the guy above for sending dms about being in rot

[winged thorn]

I’ve openly admitted it here

[mental tartan]

soooo

[winged thorn]

A lot

[mental tartan]

😂

[winged thorn]

I also asked if I could pm

& then pm’d lol

[glacial gate]

his picture is literally rot. You could've just used your eyes.

[mental tartan]

so your message makes no sense then

[brazen fox]

Brah

[winged thorn]

I think the removal of the agility shortcuts is silly

[minor aspen]

Yeah man i worked hard for those

[brazen fox]

Just spent 5 mins of my life trying to escape rage bait

[winged thorn]

There’s no reason not to rework something like that into the new cave system

[brazen fox]

Wasted

[mental tartan]

im not ragebaiting bro

if my messages make you mad

[brazen fox]

C u tmoro pvpcord

[mental tartan]

maybe take a break from cord

im js being real

[brazen fox]

Wow snap broski

[mental tartan]

i hate cheaters

it is what it is

[brazen fox]

Ya me too

[glacial gate]

Hes not ragebaiting. he just has a hard time reading.

[mental tartan]

everyone should agree on that

[latent aurora]

@mental tartan a break might be a good idea, because comments like these really aren't constructive at the moment

[brazen fox]

Just got no evidence anyone here cheats

[glacial gate]

And thats okay.

[winged thorn]

Judging by one’s character is a good choice

& not by their cover

[mental tartan]

im allowed to hate cheating in a pvp channel

[latent aurora]

If you fellows want to argue about that kind of thing, I would recommend you take it to DMs and not this channel

[mental tartan]

nothin bad about that either

[latent aurora]

We'd prefer this place to be for constructive discussion and not accusing other people of cheating

[winged thorn]

Thank you

[mental tartan]

oh im not accusing anyone

[winged thorn]

I’m not the best at math

I’m also pretty bad in a 1v1

Which is why I stick to multi

[minor aspen]

This was a snippet of an idea, i think they just reuse the cave and condense

[glacial gate]

Make rev caves only accessible in 20 worlds.
Itll be the hottest hotspot this side of tzhaar volcano!

[winged thorn]

Hmmm

[latent aurora]

I'm kind of worried about all the so-called terminator bots I hear about in LMS, but I haven't really started watching videos yet, so my fears might be fairly unfounded

I've been recommended a few videos I need to make time to watch

[winged thorn]

I mean, it’s roughly the same amount of revs they were gonna give them right?

[quick lion]

I’m wondering if they’d expand it moreso if they add an entrance at lava drags and south of mage bank

[glacial gate]

A lot of them have been banned recently! Waves happen often and if you ever do fight one who cares! Its good experience to learn how to tank up properly and to escape!

[winged thorn]

Once you can “shoot bolts out of your staff” fighting megatrons will be a piece of cake

[winged thorn]

Hard to visualize, you thinking of the cave itself being expanded in that direction?

[quick lion]

Yeah

Unless they meant expanding escape caves or whatever

Seems like very random locations idk

[winged thorn]

Agreed, the caves being 18-21 wild & then dumping you out at 40+ is strange imo

[proven fox]

yall in dmm ?

[covert musk]

Thou shall not hate

[lyric eagle]

Make osrs great again and get rev cave back

[covert musk]

Amin

[languid oracle]

Wow you're a doctor?

[glacial gate]

Yes unironically.

[inner dew]

did multi revs have entrance fee originally?

[winged thorn]

Nope, that was added after it was turned into singles +

[ionic plover]

which worlds have the most noobs

[minor aspen]

Who knows 🤷‍♂️

[low mesa]

What’s the consensus of new wildy suggestion ?

Seems like ppl hate it for some reason

[wooden basin]

I believe the only people who hate it are the same people who hate pkers and refuse to attempt that subsect of rs

[inner dew]

only thing i dont like is diary reqs to slow bots

[low mesa]

It should prob be hard diary

The ones crying are PvM kids so why do they care?

[inner dew]

apparently because the wilderness has the voidwaker so therefore the wildy as a whole has to be deleted

[wooden basin]

Exactly why polls need to have some sort of requirement to participate depending on whats being polled. Skilling pvmers shouldn't have a say with anything in the wild

[low mesa]

Well if those people made decisions this game wouldn’t be alive. It’s fine let them rant on discord

Under 50 kills in wildy shoudnt be able to vote lol

[inner dew]

its mainly just a reddit thing, the site promotes echo chambers to the point theres zero critical thinking and ppl are downvoted if they say anything that isnt the most vapid statements imaginable

[low mesa]

Oh I stay far away from Reddit and people on that site

I go on Reddit when I need help fixing a part on my car that’s about it

[inner dew]

yeah all the arguments are just non sense, like saying pkers never fight pkers and only ever attack pvmers for their loot

[low mesa]

You quite literally don’t have a choice to fight other pkers

[inner dew]

and just ignoring the fact anti-pk, tanking/escaping, etc exists

[low mesa]

They want all the rewards without any risk

[inner dew]

ppl think nerfing freezes would help stop pkers, cos they dont realise freezes can be used defensively

[low mesa]

Same anti PvP mindset on arc raiders

I wonder where it’s coming from

[inner dew]

arc raiders encourages it cos u wont face pkers if you dont pk, with their matchmaking. sounds really boring to me

[low mesa]

Those players eventually quit and go play Barbie princess Island

There’s so much pvm content in this game why do the pvm Andy’s care what goes on in the wildy ?

[inner dew]

ppl like to scapegoat

and act smug

[next comet]

Yes I remember sharing with a friend reading very similar arguments are made in Arc Raiders communities too by the PVE only people, reminded me of the wildy bad RS crowd

Not understanding that the whole appeal of the game is in large part the element of risk and unpredictability of other players in the lobby. People would get bored so quick in a PVE only mode on Arc. Likewise, the content in the wildy wouldnt match whatever rewards it offers if it were to have its pvp elements stripped away. People dont want to see the bigger picture

[inner dew]

its bad to have the matchmaking like that because it doesnt allow ppl to learn the pvp if they are told to not engage in it to avoid being put in harder lobbies

[covert musk]

Make it a 100

[glass herald]

Can we also remove the ability for accounts with defence to vote for 1 defence content?

We want chivalry

I like the multi rev idea but it won’t work while there’s still a singles part of it

Protection services in my opinion aren’t bad either, just need to battle the 1 item concept around it

Creates for constant possibilities of multi fights around the clock

Any form of pking, whether its multi or singles, is a vital part of OSRS and if it wasn’t there, this game would have died many many years ago

So deffo should be catered to

[elder hamlet]

Was in my opinion, a lot of people grew up playing various forms of pvp in rs. But as of late it has fallen out of favour, its easy to see there is interest in pvp in rs when you look at DMM all stars for example. I think current pvpers and past pvpers need to work out where the fun of pvp went for most people

Is pvp too complex now for newer/less experienced players to feel comfortable in?

[glass herald]

The main problem is the current voting system they have. Right now, anyone can vote whether an update is coming through or not.

A very easy comparison to make here is, you don’t ask tennis players what they think of the new proposed football field shape.

It makes absolutely no sense

[elder hamlet]

I half agree with you, the voting system is deffo flawed... The popular vote is easily manipulated by social media

[glass herald]

And then we get to the point where they go ‘yeah but if I want to interact with said content I have to go into the wilderness which makes me a part of that community’

[elder hamlet]

I understand that point fully, but i believe pvp splitting pvp decisions will increase the feelings of 'us vs them'

[glass herald]

But those are the same people voting no to 1 def pures accessing raids 4

‘You decided to restrict yourself’

[inner dew]

not really

pkers arent restricting themselves

[glass herald]

When you don’t want to interact with the wilderness, you are also restricting yourself

Which makes their argument invalid

But they still want it catered to them

[glass herald]

I’m talking about the pvm andy’s that vote no to any wildy updates

[elder hamlet]

Full clarity, i dont think exceptions should be made for pures to do raids 4 but thats a personal opinion

[glass herald]

Many updates were exceptions for irons to do certain content

How is this any different?

[elder hamlet]

And i disagree with that too

[inner dew]

irons shouldnt exist

[elder hamlet]

I think iron man mode was a mistake

[glass herald]

Yes but they went with it

You can’t deny exceptions for one account mode, and pass the others

Try that in the real world and it’s called discrimination

[elder hamlet]

Should have stayed a personal challenge how it was before official iron man mode

[elder hamlet]

Luckily its a video game we play 😄

[glass herald]

Yeah obviously but the point still stands

They have taken it further than just a video game either way a long time ago

For example adding the whole LGBT stuff into the game

That has no place in a video game imo

Either way that’s getting off topic

[elder hamlet]

I think there needs to be some way for people to become interested in pvp within RS that most people enjoy before wildy content will be voted positively

Not sure what that looks like

[inner dew]

there is already tons of variety of content

[elder hamlet]

There is but it just doesnt interest the masses

It used to back when everyone was young

[fringe fjord]

People interested in pvp still wont do wilderness nh because it has the highest barrier of entry of anything in the game, watching it is one thing, but the average person is never going to do anything besides maybe veng pk in bh

[glass herald]

It deffo isn’t the stepping stone into PvP either

The skill ceiling is so high it makes no sense to start learning pvp through nh

People crying about stepunders and treehugging in PvP

But they dont even know how to triple eat

[elder hamlet]

Most people do though cuz the wildy is where most of the content is for most people

[fringe fjord]

You could argue multi has a lower barrier of entry but joining and finding a clan for that and not getting scammed or lured is also a hurdle with that

[next comet]

Nothing got more people into pvp than multi revs did in OSRS, lets stop trying to reinvent the wheel and go back to what has proven to work.

[glass herald]

^

Still this update won’t change anything as long as a singles part of revs is there

[elder hamlet]

Multi pvp is deffo more fun than singles pvp for learning in my opinion

[inner dew]

remove pj timer so singles is deadlier

[fringe fjord]

Oh yes i love being followed by 30 people with korasis spec dumping

[next comet]

The proposal is half baked. The loot factor also not being buffed for multi imo makes no sense, it is easy to foresee it being dead content

[inner dew]

yeah should have wilderness weapon and armor drop, which degrade or whatever

[fringe fjord]

You can't poll wilderness content without letting pvmers vote because they're a big chunk of people in the wilderness

And they're not voting to die easier

[inner dew]

i dont think anything should be polled, i dont care what avg player thinks. i care what designers and developers think