Redfor Non-Stealth Superiority Fighter

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We already have this suggestion for a striker: https://discord.com/channels/319915885575798785/1248189977100288060
We have this suggestion for an interceptor: https://discord.com/channels/319915885575798785/1480977341244113120

Another thing I want apart from those is a decent (so the ASF-30 doesn't count) non-stealth air superiority fighter like the Su-37 as an alternative to the stealthy ASF-58. Dealing with stealthy enemies is a pain and I want to get more use out of my AIM-54s, baha pls 🙏

This suggestion assumes the striker and interceptor are accepted and will use them as comparisons.

Features:

• Long range missiles shared with the interceptor, except this one gets a bit less of them and uses them as an optional addition to its arsenal instead of relying on them entirely, supplementing the ASMRM-1/ASMRM-7.
• Great range and flight performance in most regimes like the ASF-58. Fast like the ASF-58, but not nearly as much as the interceptor.
• Able to carry a bit more weapons than the ASF-58, perhaps even some air to ground munitions on certain hardpoints, so this plane serves as an upgraded ASF-30? Could have some new bombs, larger than the 500lb S||mall||B||omb||-1s, like 1000lb M||edium||B||omb||-1s and even 2000lb L||arge||B||omb||-1s. Perhaps even something like a series of completely unguided, non-Geneva-approved, C||luster||B||omb||-XXs (the number denoting the amount of submunitions)?
• Despite not having a TGP, maybe even capable of carrying stand off air to ground munitions to let the striker focus on utilizing its medium range GMA-6s?
• Powerful radar, better than the ASF-58s, but worse than the interceptor's.
• Huge (likely similar, if not slightly larger than the F/A-26B's) RCS to spark terror in the hearts of its enemies.
• Maybe more stuff, I ran out of ideas.

[rich phoenix]

bro literally discounts all vanilla AI aircraft💀

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indeed

I want more

the ASF-30 sucks, the ASF-33 sucks a bit less but is stealth (cringe) and the ASF-58 is an okay enemy, but also has stealth (cringe)

[rich phoenix]

or you know, rework the asf's

[supple tree]

that, too

but I want more either way

I want something on par with the ASF-58 that is not stealth

this is what I want

just as scary, but this one trades the insanely small RCS for more weapons, better performance and more versatile loadouts

[flint sand]

Maybe we just need an AI rework to make them better

And smarter

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neo has mentioned that

[foggy zenith]

Low/Mid-Tech ASF? Hell yeah

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the Su-37 is not really low tech

what I am proposing here is kind of supposed to be a lower tech ASF-58, but it's by no means less capable

just an alternative to it

[foggy zenith]

Mid-Tech tho (2000s era)

Something like an Su-35S maybe

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The F-35 had its first flight in 2006. Is that low tech?

[foggy zenith]

No, Low Tech would be something like the GAV-25 or older

The 26B and T-55 are technically Mid-Tech (IMHO)

[vast raft]

So basically… a proto-ASF-33? Or just a two-engined ASF-30 with thrust vectoring

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how is the GAV low tech??

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moreso a large ASF-30 or non-stealth ASF-58

[foggy zenith]

It's like an early Harrier, with no radar, no radar missiles, and not many PGMs

[vast raft]

Hear me out…
ASF-58 without RAM coating (basically early T-50s)

[foggy zenith]

Scaled correctly, then hell yeah

[supple tree]

this is basically that, but as a proper, fleshed out plane

[foggy zenith]

But also, give it a little bit more of a true Flanker-shape

[supple tree]

if you do that, you end up with literally straight up what this suggestion is proposing

except in this case you trade all of the stealth for performance and versatility

[foggy zenith]

100% agree

(Even though the ASF-58 is already OP AF)

[supple tree]

the plane itself, sure, but because of its AI and crappy weapons it really underperforms

[foggy zenith]

Limited fuel (or high fuel consumption) something more like the Fulcrum-type to make it a hybrid Air-Supe / Interceptor maybe, with as good of performance (or sliiiightly less) than the ASF-58, and the same RCS as something like the F/A-26B or EF-24

[foggy zenith]

The Sheer Speed, Acceleration, and Stealth make it annoying to fight sometimes

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what I am striving for with this is to match the ASF-58's performance without having the stealth and adding some extra features

[foggy zenith]

Good thing is, it's HOT, so IRIS-Ts work great for it

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kind of the whole point of most Sukhois is having a lot of fuel for a lot of range because russia doesn't have tankers

this is also depicted in VTOL VR

OPFOR has no tankers, but their planes carry a lot of fuel

[foggy zenith]

Again, I 100% agree. Some kind of cruise-missile type weapon, or standoff weapon like the Kh-31

[split rampart]

guh

[vocal portal]

IL76 mentioned

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I might have been fed misinformation, then

it happens so often

I was only kinda fed misinformation. Russia has tankers, but not many and doesn't really use them, so most aircraft are not designed with refueling in mind.