Allow TSD deployment of the GBU-53 stormbreaker bombs

[unkempt tundra]

currently the GBU-53 has to be manually slewed to a target with the EOTS before deployment, leading to slower deployment of said bombs compared to the gbu-39's which is supposed to be less high tech, this change would allow the gbu-53's to be launched from a target on the tsd assuming a high enough confidence, also benefiting from datalink (a feature of the bomb irl) for guidance

[fallow nimbus]

I put this in the TOO post but seperate post is good

This would also allow to drop through the weather more easely

[signal owl]

But it's a optically guided bomb? The bomb sensor has to see the target

[fallow nimbus]

1. It should be able to LOAL
2. The IRL version has a mmW radar as well as EO imaging guidance

The AGM-145 is labelled as Optical in game despite being mmW radar (apparently)

[unkempt tundra]

Yeah + irl the bomb has link16 datalink, so it can get a datalink guidence

(also this would presumably be able to let the bomb automatically target the door on hillside bunkers assuming the angle is correct)

[unkempt tundra]

This might be impractical, but also possible retasking should the original target be destroyed

[fierce shoal]

If this gets added into the game, then i feel an overall addition to any munition that can be launched on multiple sources of data (like 120Ds going after tsd vs radar, this, TOO for gps if that gets added) should be a little text/indicator on what source you are using, like for this text like EOTS that changes into TSD or sth, otherwise it may be a bit confusing

[heavy obsidian]

You can deploy the GBU53 by hitting EOTS on the TSD to slew it to a target, hold trigger, press weapons release, bomb will drop, use Lock on after launch to find a target (LOAL) and it’ll hit usually

you can do the same with AGM145s

lets you shoot 145s over 60nmi

[fierce shoal]

Which still gives an overall slower deployment (and requires hands off of throttle) and still doesnt have datalink capabilities

[heavy obsidian]

remove engine tilt is my answer to that question

unvtol yourself

[fierce shoal]

That... doesnt change anything?

[heavy obsidian]

I know

And you still need to take your hand off of the throttle to do anything lol

[fierce shoal]

Ah, so just giving unrelated answers... got it

[heavy obsidian]

Yes, because hand off throttle is unrelated.

You cannot mark GPS with any of the throttle buttons so its not relevant

And taking your hand off the throttle is like.. hardly an issue

[unkempt tundra]

That is not the same as what I'm requesting

[heavy obsidian]

it’s essentially what you’re asking for?

[unkempt tundra]

Not really

[heavy obsidian]

You want to use the GBU53 from TSD

[unkempt tundra]

Tsd deployment allows for datalink

[heavy obsidian]

I told you that you can by clicking the EOTS button

[unkempt tundra]

Using eots doesn't

[heavy obsidian]

yes, they have lock on after launch

You can drop the bomb somewhere near the target and it’ll automatically acquire it

Through LOAL

[unkempt tundra]

You're missing the point

[fierce shoal]

Not to deploy gbu-53s. If you move the eots manually, you dont need to take ur hands off of theottle. And to do what is suggested you wouldnt need to either, but to do what you are suggesting you would need to

[fallow nimbus]

we don't want to have to press "slave", it's like asking for radar employment in the AH-94

[unkempt tundra]

This

[heavy obsidian]

Oh

Thanks for clearing it up

It’s better if you just tell me you don’t want to press slave

💔

[fierce shoal]

LOAL isnt the same as datalink. Maddogs are also loal, but they dont use datalink

[heavy obsidian]

like that makes it a lot more clear what you actually want

[unkempt tundra]

I'd honestly thought you'd still disagree
Hater brain mentality for me

[heavy obsidian]

how would you give this bomb fucking datalink in this game

like target deconfliction?

[fallow nimbus]

yeah

[unkempt tundra]

Essentially

The 53's are supposed to be very smart irl

[heavy obsidian]

They are

[fierce shoal]

Using the contacts from the TSD? You target sth on there, and no matter where it moves as long as you have sth giving you the confident track the bomb would not mistake it for anything else

[fallow nimbus]

smart genius bombs

[heavy obsidian]

I mean.. they already don’t?

I’ve never had that issue

And it’d have to be within the CR ring

[unkempt tundra]

But rn 53's in vtol are just sdb versions of gbu 12s with FaF

[heavy obsidian]

and longer range

And smaller

[unkempt tundra]

Yeah

[heavy obsidian]

and lighter

And you can have more of them

I mean I could say the same about the 145 vs the 114

[fierce shoal]

Im pretty sure they wont follow a moving target without being optically locked

[heavy obsidian]

They do

The 145 at least does

[fallow nimbus]

point is : the near future game doesn't have the 20 year old tech

[heavy obsidian]

as long as it’s within its able to hit target area it can hit

the only times I have issues with LOAL is when it slams into a building thats hiding the target

but yeah I’d also prefer to have Autoslave for TGP and EOTS

hold down the TGP button, it turns green, and its now in autoslave?

[fallow nimbus]

not even auto slave

[unkempt tundra]

I would say this would allow top down attacks for Inbetween buildings but probably unrelastic

[heavy obsidian]

The F16 mod does it, HUD/MFD upgrade does it

[fierce shoal]

Ill have to use a test map for this, because simply i dont believe it, will report the findings

[heavy obsidian]

You need to be diving to do that

[fallow nimbus]

just shooting a tsd track rather than a TGP track, just like aim-120 can be TSD or Radar

[heavy obsidian]

It’s what LOAL is supposed to do

Lock on After Launch

find its own target by itself

Means you don’t need to have accurate eots data

I use it all the time for shooting from behind cover in the AH6 and AH94

Never failed me with the AGM145

[unkempt tundra]

And keeps everything to 1 page
Which is supposed to be the hive mind centre of the f35 (irl) and f45 (in game)

[heavy obsidian]

GBU53 uses the exact same system

[fierce shoal]

Ye but it wont work perfectly unless the target doesnt move, which is what the datalink would solve

[heavy obsidian]

but they.. do move..

[fierce shoal]

Ill test it

[heavy obsidian]

Never had it not work on a moving target

[fierce shoal]

Cuz i know sometimes it works, but from my experience not always

[unkempt tundra]

In my opinion for 145's, loal only really works well for stationary targets

[heavy obsidian]

never had issues with it myself really

[fallow nimbus]

2-way datalink, so if the bomb spots something (like infantry that nobody has seen yet), it gets shared to the entiure network

[heavy obsidian]

Other than when it goes behind a building and the agm145 slams into the building

[unkempt tundra]

Yeah, 53 has link16

[heavy obsidian]

But yeah

Good suggestion

Should be added

[unkempt tundra]

(would be interesting if a retasking option got available, maybe chuck in the cruise missiles too)

[heavy obsidian]

The AGM161 should absolutely have an “UPDATE” option like the ADM160J

[fallow nimbus]

https://discord.com/channels/319915885575798785/1297889827206987817 related

[unkempt tundra]

And auto targeting doors on hillside bunkers

[unkempt tundra]

Already had it up voted lol

[unkempt tundra]

As well as a fuel indicator

[heavy obsidian]

And a proper range indicator

[unkempt tundra]

Anyways, that's besides the point

Tsd deployed 53's 🗣️🔥

[fierce shoal]

And hopefully the 145 too!

[unkempt tundra]

That being said, how would everyone feel about other munitions having tsd deployment, munitions such as 89's, 161's, 145's and all gps bombs

I would assume gps bombs would work like how the gps too suggestion works

[bleak rapids]

Sounds good, would mesh well with https://discord.com/channels/319915885575798785/1323046313729724535

[lilac wharf]

alternative - put EOTS ASLEW into the vanilla TSD.

[unkempt tundra]

still doesnt solve the issues of moving targets behind cover

[bleak rapids]

It does

You can fire a LOAL weapon via EOTS lock without line of sight

[unkempt tundra]

only for stationary targets in my experience

[bleak rapids]

Good point

[fallow nimbus]

auto slew is intended for A2A use of TGP/EOTS. It would feel like a stopgap for A2G. Same applies to FCR employment of AGM-145 in the 94