More dynamic damage system

[spark idol]

It'd add a lot of depth if there were more types of damage your aircraft could sustain. Punctured/shattered cockpits, fires, partial engine failure, loss of nose cone, fuel leaks, system failures like flight assist, comms, radar, etc.

Currently when you get hit often times you just die, you don't get "wounded" a lot. And when you do it's just losing an engine or part of a wing, which is still fun and challenging, but having different unique types of damage and failures that you'd have to fight through that affects more than just maneuverability would be incredible.
I don't think it'd make the game any harder or easier (Hits that would kill would now be more likely to damage you in different ways), but it would add more layers, which is good. What do you think?

More dynamic damage types

More dynamic damage system

[misty turret]

Isnt this a duplicate?

[twilit meadow]

its # 3 at this point

https://discord.com/channels/319915885575798785/1304271035041841303

https://discord.com/channels/319915885575798785/1345366362322632734

https://discord.com/channels/319915885575798785/1306121759157649458

[misty turret]

hilarious

[twilit meadow]

https://discord.com/channels/319915885575798785/1244138832387899473

[twilit meadow]

Currently when you get hit often times you just die

Yeah thats just Missile combat for you, you dont survive hits.

Certain american systems literally aim for the cockpit in an attempt to specifically kill the pilot and deny ejects (Examples being Patriot and the Phoenix)

[spark idol]

MB I don't look here much 😅

[twilit meadow]

Wanna say the 120 also aims for cockpit but im not sure

Patriot 100% does though, no pilot who has been engaged by patriot has survived, including friendlies

[spark idol]

Yeah ofc, just saying it'd be fun to have more damage types for non-killing blows

Like when you're hit with guns or flak and stuff

[copper aspen]

it's kinda your job to double check if your making a dupe

[twilit meadow]

in fact, its in the guidelines

https://discord.com/channels/319915885575798785/1363180443309965382
atleast you're not this guy

homie joined the server and asked for the kestrel first thing

[copper aspen]

Died soon After

[spark idol]

I don't think the examples you sent are really duplicates though

[spark idol]

That guy's just complaining about the airsT

[twilit meadow]

did you read literally any of them

[spark idol]

This one's suggestions are mostly visual suggestions

[spark idol]

The one after that is just talking about RCS (Admittedly I don't know what that is)

[twilit meadow]

none of it is visual, you didnt read it

[spark idol]

And this one you linked is actually pretty similar but to be fair it was almost a year ago and the title is abt damage models

[twilit meadow]

it says what it is, you didnt read it

[spark idol]

It doesn't though...

I can assume it has something to do with stealth based on what the post was talking abt but it doesn't define what RCS means

[twilit meadow]

"stealthy RCS"
"Would not Maintain reduced visibility"

[spark idol]

I still don't know what it means

[twilit meadow]

you have a computer

[spark idol]

Like I said I'm guessing it has something to do with stealth lol

In any case that's not what my post is talking about

[twilit meadow]

https://discord.com/channels/319915885575798785/1345366362322632734

like i said, you didnt read this one

its near 1:1 what you are asking

[spark idol]

I did after you sent it and I agreed that it was similar 😭

[twilit meadow]

no you didnt

you said it was visual

it is 1:1 Exactly what you are talking about

[valid wing]

@marsh latch post the 45 tanking missiles clip

Or the 24 one

[twilit meadow]

thats the exception

and you know damn well that shouldnt happen

[valid wing]

it's replicatable in any jet

Relatively easily too

[valid meteor]

Imo it wouldn't add depth really, but it would make the game look nicer

[spark idol]

Everything in yellow is a visual suggestion and the one in red doesn't really add anything
And after that we still only share like 2 ideas

[valid wing]

you can tank 120s if you do it right

[valid meteor]

All vtol needs is more different hitboxes and more destructable bits

[valid wing]

If I rake 20mm across the spine of a 26, it would be nice to at least give them a fuel leak or engine fire they have to extinguish

[twilit meadow]

this still means your suggestion is a dupe

also, 4 isnt visual here

[spark idol]

I think it would with having to make the pilot tackle a variety of different problems and failures outside of wing and engine damage

[valid meteor]

Honestly we shouldn't be making planes more tanky and survivabile. Should half the HP of all hitboxes

[spark idol]

It'd be a lot of fun having to fight through both internal and external damage and system failures

[twilit meadow]

real

it takes far too many 20mms to kill someone

it feels like you gotta land a solid half second burst to actually secure a kill

[valid meteor]

Yeah but the issue is for this to have any meaningful gameplay, you'd need to make the plane tankier for partial failures like this to happen right?

[spark idol]

I get that, but I personally think what makes damage a little lacking rn isn't so much the time to kill as it is the lack of different damage types

[twilit meadow]

because rn missile = dead no matter what, so failures wouldnt matter unless missile =/= dead

[twilit meadow]

if the TTK stays the same (should be shorter ngl), then meaningful damage simply cant apply

for reference, heres what happens if you pull a little too much g in the kestrel

(its death)

[valid wing]

DCS (for all of its jank) does this very well, where single bullets can kill, but also you can just puncture fuel/oil lines and cause a leak

[spark idol]

Not really, they just have to add more hotboxes. A direct missile would still kill, but flack, guns, or shrapnel to fuel tanks, cockpit, nose cone, etc would induce these different damage effects and failures.

[spark idol]

Oh yeah exactly!!

[valid meteor]

Yeah but also DCS is like def still the basic "hitboxes with HP" system

[valid wing]

It's got a LOT more dynamic hitboxes tho with the flight control surfaces, and internal components

(Radar shoot-off when)

[spark idol]

And it'd be so dope to have that in vtol

[valid meteor]

Yeah all I really care about is like a blanket halving of HP

Also, I have heard that you can shoot off the TGP

[spark idol]

You can?

[valid wing]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1261582446877474897/1339375865347182744/20mmbtw2.mp4?ex=68062a3a&is=6804d8ba&hm=252cf40b6d037c24eceebc22d34945d29f4be5ec535ad1d3f1a328fa99952d11&

God's most damaging 20mm

[twilit meadow]

I still dont know why gun kills have delayed explosions

[valid wing]

Missiles do it too, it's just not as noticeable because the missile explosion itself

[valid meteor]

The symmetric "both wings break and plane turns into a flaming nugget" is an issue

[valid wing]

^

[spark idol]

EXACTLYYYY

[valid meteor]

But that's only an issue for the person doing the killing

It just looks bad

[valid wing]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1261582446877474897/1337716197273108582/20mmbtw.mp4?ex=68060f4a&is=6804bdca&hm=e56e5eb14fc13fa4139535a5a5a5ddac694db7f7a8b72a43c7bb3b228c76ce94&

Me when the flaming nugget continues shooting missiles

[marsh latch]

There's an entire feature request of people forwarding clips of me.
Not gonna start a 2nd one

[copper aspen]

Mfw I ask for a more dynamic damage system and the suggestion linked involve a more dynamic damage type

[spark idol]

I already pointed out how each other linked post was different than mine and it's really not a big deal at the end of the day, I'm not sure why you and simulacra are taking this so seriously.
I'm 100% confident if Baha saw and read this post he wouldn't mind nearly as much, if at all.

[copper aspen]

Oh I'm not

I'm purely here to fuck with you lmao

Don't take it personally

[spark idol]

Oh mb then

Sim def is tho they're low-key heated over this post lol

[finite plank]

I wish that the gun kills felt more like DCS where planes just kinda disintegrate when they eat 20mm

In this one it's more like, the jets eat the rounds until they cant and just blow up

[spark idol]

That's what I'm saying fr. It'd be way cooler if depending on your shot placement you could damage and destroy specific parts and systems instead of just wings and engines or as you say eating rounds till they just explode

[finite plank]

I feel the actual explosion itself can be improved, like it just feels so staged

[spark idol]

Yeah it's cuz it's the same every time

[finite plank]

The explosion feels so gamey, like a hitmarker

[spark idol]

Wings and ordinance pop off all cartonnishly lol

[finite plank]

Realistically you shouldn't be able to hear it at all, nor would the plane even make that noise

[finite plank]

Yeah i don't know why they pop off either doesn't make sense

[spark idol]

I think the death system as a whole should be different. Cuz the game makes if very clear when you die. I'd much rather the game not tell you when your plane is unrecoverable and just let you either crash or eject before bringing up the death menu on your hand and stuff.

That'd also let baha play around with different death states for the planes instead of the wings always just popping off and the systems all going offline