Option to manually set Aim120C/D,ASMRM-7 terminal guidance search mode. | Boundless Dynamics (VTOL VR) | Page 1

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 3:11 AM

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Currently AIM-120 and ASMRM-7 smartly attempts to switch between HOJ and radar guidance in flight if either fails.

Could we have the option to manually set the pitbull range search mode to be either (Auto (Default), HOJ or Radar). This will open up the possibility for Aim120D, Aim120C and ASMRM-7 to be guided by the parent's (radar or trackfile), then when its within pitbull range to start searching in HOJ mode to enable the missile to pick up any omnidirectional noise that the target is leaking before severing the host guidance.

In the equipment panel this change could easily be added bellow the option to allow missile's to be fired in MadDog. It could be labelled "Search mode:" then the option to toggle between [Auto, Radar, HOJ]

native torrent Jan 16, 2025, 3:12 AM

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Is this an option IRL? never heard of it

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 3:13 AM

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Option to manually set Aim120C/D,ASMRM-7 in-flight search mode.

keen aspen Jan 16, 2025, 3:34 AM

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Maddog for autohoj

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DRFM users in shambles

ripe gust Jan 16, 2025, 3:35 AM

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It'd be a cool addition to the toolset that these missiles offer.

native torrent Jan 16, 2025, 3:37 AM

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I mean, I keep saying FLOOD mode for launching Sparrows without STT would be cool too, but

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 3:39 AM

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native torrent I mean, I keep saying FLOOD mode for launching Sparrows without STT would be coo...

this change could easily be added bellow the currently option to allow the missile to be fired in MadDog. It will just be bellow and say "Search mode:" then the option to toggle between [Auto, Radar, HOJ]

native torrent Jan 16, 2025, 3:39 AM

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I mean, yeah why not

proven heart Jan 16, 2025, 4:08 AM

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Maddog option for all HOJ capable missile would be great

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 4:53 AM

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proven heart Maddog option for all HOJ capable missile would be great

It would make merging with someone with AGM-126's deadly, rapid fire 10x AGM-126's in maddog.

proven heart Jan 16, 2025, 4:54 AM

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It already is if you're jamming

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 4:55 AM

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proven heart It already is if you're jamming

I assume you 45 pilots do that so the other guy cannot boresight you with Aim7's

proven heart Jan 16, 2025, 5:32 AM

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Yep, not having to gpull an aim7 in the merge is really great, but the biggest advantage is how their brain completely blue screen

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From boresight not working

rotund wadi Jan 16, 2025, 6:12 AM

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I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but number pad clicky, missile beep, sounds cool, I’m in.

celest forge Jan 16, 2025, 6:14 AM

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Would this just be a way to maddog a HOJ?

keen aspen Jan 16, 2025, 6:14 AM

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Essentially, yeah

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Call it a hotdog

celest forge Jan 16, 2025, 6:15 AM

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Will do! o7

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 7:39 AM

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Option to manually set Aim120C/D,ASMRM-7 (pitbull range) search mode.

dull nimbus Jan 16, 2025, 8:43 AM

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native torrent Is this an option IRL? never heard of it

Technically yes (atleast from what I've gathered from dcs) it's the missle aircraft size parameters they let you choose pitbull being 5 10 and 15 miles respectively iirc

sterile garden Jan 16, 2025, 8:46 AM

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radiation homing air to air missile

dull nimbus Jan 16, 2025, 8:48 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/aim-9-lore-gif-13396565559555001957

Tenor

celest forge Jan 16, 2025, 8:52 AM

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Thank god we cant optionally fully disable pitbull on the 120D, otherwise optical guidance would get a giant boost in power

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 9:16 AM

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celest forge Thank god we cant optionally fully disable pitbull on the 120D, otherwise optica...

Technically, if this feature was implemented because the missile doesn't find any target emitting noise it will still be guided by the host aircraft.

celest forge Jan 16, 2025, 9:17 AM

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Wait, isnt this meant to be a maddog like firing? As someone said "hotdog"

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 9:18 AM

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So if a 45 or 24 has a optical lock on you, and has configured the search mode to be HOJ then it wont sever the host guidance.

celest forge Jan 16, 2025, 9:18 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/marvel-avengers-endgame-antman-paul-rudd-gif-15090722

Tenor

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 9:18 AM

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No this is to allow you to configure what search mode the missile uses when its within pitbull range.

celest forge Jan 16, 2025, 9:19 AM

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OOOOOH, i get it now

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 9:19 AM

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Currently, it smartly switches between HOJ or Radar if either of them fail.

celest forge Jan 16, 2025, 9:20 AM

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I mean you can still defeat that kind of missile, jam it then stop. Jamming will make it go pitbull, stopping will stop it from hitting you, so its not as bad

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 9:21 AM

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In the 26/55 you can force the missile into HOJ by severing the host radar guidance 20 seconds before impact by turning off the radar or clearing the radar.

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 9:23 AM

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celest forge I mean you can still defeat that kind of missile, jam it then stop. Jamming will...

Technically if a missile is being guided by optics then you won't be able to target it with the TSD because it isn't emitting anything.

dull nimbus Jan 16, 2025, 9:25 AM

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I think the level of tunability is a little too op somthing like the f18s aircraft size parameters being added to the sms and storage pages would make sense but inputting a custom range is a little busted

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 9:26 AM

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dull nimbus I think the level of tunability is a little too op somthing like the f18s aircra...

Yeah, this feature request is just for the option to manual set what search mode is used in the pitbull range.

celest forge Jan 16, 2025, 9:26 AM

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clear garnet Technically if a missile is being guided by optics then you won't be able to tar...

Oh ye, was thinking about 45 where the das allows you to see them on the tsd

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 9:26 AM

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celest forge Oh ye, was thinking about 45 where the das allows you to see them on the tsd

ahhh gotcha, probably the same for the 24 das

celest forge Jan 16, 2025, 9:27 AM

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Ye, by bad, wasnt thinking about other aircraft

celest forge Jan 16, 2025, 9:27 AM

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clear garnet ahhh gotcha, probably the same for the 24 das

Yes, but it has a lower range, so its a much tighter thing time wise (unless youre going away already)

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 9:42 AM

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I figure this feature would enable a couple of play styles

It would be feasible to DRFM/Noise Jam missiles - if the player has set their search mode to radar.
If the target isn't using any jamming modules, then in HOJ mode it will cause the missile to fly past the target.
It enables 24/45 pilots to optically guide the missile in HOJ mode if the target isn't noise jamming. But this isn't as bad as it sounds because they can only optically track 1 target at a time. The caveat to this is its line of sight.
In HOJ search mode there is a real threat to EW aircraft who leave their jammers on.

celest forge Jan 16, 2025, 11:07 AM

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And thechnically optical guidance is degraded by weather
(Degraded as in its generally harder to aquire proper locks wich will be held until impact)

ancient ravine Jan 16, 2025, 12:41 PM

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celest forge Thank god we cant optionally fully disable pitbull on the 120D, otherwise optica...

Yeah, pitbull range 0 option on 120D would be a huge F-45 buff, lol.

ancient ravine Jan 16, 2025, 12:44 PM

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clear garnet Yeah, this feature request is just for the option to manual set what search mode...

I believe the term you're looking for is "terminal guidance"

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_guidance

Terminal guidance

In the field of weaponry, terminal guidance refers to any guidance system that is primarily or solely active during the "terminal phase", just before the weapon impacts its target. The term is generally used in reference to missile guidance systems, and specifically to missiles that use more than one guidance system through the missile's flight....

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Option to manually set Aim120C/D,ASMRM-7 terminal guidance search mode.

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 12:47 PM

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ancient ravine I believe the term you're looking for is "terminal guidance"

thank you

sterile garden Jan 16, 2025, 1:04 PM

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how would you set it for the ASMRM-7 ?

keen aspen Jan 16, 2025, 1:06 PM

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Well, you don't but I guess the AI could

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(hackit wants ASMRM-7s for player aircraft)

celest forge Jan 16, 2025, 1:07 PM

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ancient ravine Yeah, pitbull range 0 option on 120D would be a *huge* F-45 buff, lol.

And a 24 buff

keen aspen Jan 16, 2025, 1:08 PM

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I already talked to hackit about this, but yeah I think optical guided 120ds would suck lol

frosty scroll Jan 16, 2025, 1:08 PM

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clear garnet So if a 45 or 24 has a optical lock on you, and has configured the search mode t...

rest of the suggestions is okay, but totally against this bit

you'd basically have an optical 120 that gives the same RWR response as a fox-2 without being able to flare it

keen aspen Jan 16, 2025, 1:08 PM

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Maybe if they just flat out missed if they were set to only HOJ at terminal

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Because suddenly, you got a missile that can't be chaffed, notched, extremely hard to g pull with timing, and maybe 2 seconds warning on MWS if its even still hot enough

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Granted its limited to one target at a time, but its pretty brutal

frosty scroll Jan 16, 2025, 1:12 PM

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well the 120D is TSD guided so if you have the radar one you could very well have more

keen aspen Jan 16, 2025, 1:14 PM

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Fun fact, one of the things that started this suggestion was that hackit discovered a pretty deadly counter to pre-emptive DRFM on a radar

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But only 4th gen can pull it off, not 5th

sterile garden Jan 16, 2025, 1:33 PM

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ancient ravine Yeah, pitbull range 0 option on 120D would be a *huge* F-45 buff, lol.

would buff the 26 and 55 too, since you could guide on TWS all the way to splash

ancient ravine Jan 16, 2025, 1:34 PM

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I don't think TWS updates it frequently enough for reliable impact?

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At least it shouldn't

sterile garden Jan 16, 2025, 1:35 PM

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yeah true

ancient ravine Jan 16, 2025, 1:35 PM

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maybe that's a nerf 120D could use too, decrease rate of datalink updates

sterile garden Jan 16, 2025, 1:35 PM

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but in TWS you don’t know you’re getting targeted, so you don’t manoever

ancient ravine Jan 16, 2025, 1:35 PM

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only if the missile is cold enough to no trigger MWS

sterile garden Jan 16, 2025, 1:36 PM

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non manouevering target means even with 4hz update the amraam should be able to hit

celest forge Jan 16, 2025, 1:37 PM

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I think tws updates rather frequently, at least it looks like it on the radar screen. Either way, you can go STT when t=3 or sth and guide it in that way

clear garnet Jan 16, 2025, 1:37 PM

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keen aspen Fun fact, one of the things that started this suggestion was that hackit discove...

not just DRFM but all forms of noise jamming except sas

keen aspen Jan 16, 2025, 1:38 PM

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Noise is fair game, its inherent with the dangers of HOJ

#Option to manually set Aim120C/D,ASMRM-7 terminal guidance search mode.