#AIM-54 Guides Off Of TSD

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proud stratus
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FOX-1 vs FOX-3:

The FOX-1, such as the sparrow, requires an STT lock for the missile to guide to the target. The seeker in the sparrow looks for radar reflections produced by your radar reflecting off the locked target. A TWS track does not provide sufficient guidance information to the sparrow, and will not track the tracked target; an STT lock is required for sparrows. Sparrows do not use datalink; when a lock is broken, it is often difficult to lock the target in time and continue missile guidance.

The FOX-3, such as the AMRAAM or phoenix, use datalink to guide to their targets, until they got close enough when their onboard radar turns on, locks the target, and begins guidance on its own. This is called “pitbull.” When tracking a target with either STT or TWS, the radar feeds guidance information via datalink to the FOX-3. In other words, the radar doesn’t require an STT lock for the FOX-3 link it does for the FOX-1. The FOX-1 looks for radar reflections, which is why STT is required. FOX-3s don’t look for radar reflections, as they get their guidance information from datalink, not the radar itself. The radar provides information to the datalink, not the missile. This is why FOX-3s can use TWS, and FOX-1s cannot.

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The Phoenix can use TWS, which means that it too uses datalink. But isn’t the TSD exactly that? The Phoenix shouldn’t require the radar if it doesn’t behave like a FOX-1 behaves. It doesn’t need a constant STT lock. With this in mind, the Phoenix should operate just fine with just the TSD.

“But why?”

The radar can only see so far. The TSD however, can display targets much farther than the radar can detect targets. If the Phoenix can use the TSD, then the Phoenix can do what it was designed to do: shoot air targets from really far away.

I believe that the Phoenix is limited by the radar. Irl, the phoenix could be launched at targets ~100nm away. The radar in VTOL in all aircraft, including the EF-24G, is limited to 64nm. Because the phoenix is reliant on the radar to operate, then that means that the Phoenix is limited to 64nm also.

This is, I believe, an unnecessary drawback for a missile that was designed to go high, go fast, and go far.

Please give the Phoenix the ability to guide from the TSD. The TSD is a bunch of datalink targets, the AMRAAM and Phoenix both guide from datalink. It just makes sense.

native carbon
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this was originally the case and was removed as it was a bug

and as you said, the aim-54 is OLD
and only the aim-120D has true datalink capability

proud stratus
native carbon
proud stratus
heavy sun
torn inlet
heavy sun
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Bruh

elfin pond
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The AIM-54C in VTOL is the exact same missile as the one in real life from how it performs to how it looks.

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Back when it could guide on DL it was stupid powerful

granite monolith
# proud stratus The Phoenix can use TWS, which means that it too uses datalink. But isn’t the TS...

VTOL in all aircraft, including the EF-24G, is limited to 64nm
This isn't true

AMRAAM and Phoenix both guide from datalink
AIM-120C, and the AIM-54 both use a form of datalink thats encoded onto the radar wave, this is why IRL they must be guided from a radar contact, the 120D brings L16 connectivity to the missile itself allowing offboard sensor data provide guidence, but this isn't something the aim54 ever could do

proud stratus
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Thanks for explaining

hidden kayak
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yeah the EF24 can lock things way past 64 miles lol

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I've had STTs on AEWs and HB106s along with ASFs past 90nmi

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(though this was using a silly glitch I discovered which has been patched)

barren stratus
elfin pond
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Maybe a variant of AIM-54 (D) with DL capability

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Would be nice in PvE scenarios

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(And fit in to the lore)

verbal sandal
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That's definitely something I would want but oh god imagine the chaos in chases bvr when you get a mach 6 aim54 dumped onto you and you had literally no radar warning not even the tws pings lmao

elfin pond
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I'm sure he wouldn't have them if he didn't want them

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(VTOL is a Horror Game, realized)

verbal sandal
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Fr lmao

dusk vector
elfin pond
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Mmmmmayyybe

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It could be neat to see something like a high tech Pheonix, but Ramjet powered, like the AIM-152 concept or a larger METEOR

verbal sandal
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Just let me use air launched t55s as missles

elfin pond
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Nah, Air Launched B-11s

verbal sandal
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I don't think those would fit on the belly of a 24

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🤔

barren summit
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I remember datalink locking with the AIM-54 on the 24's release, before the patch, in Chases PVP from angels 40, basically halfway across the map. That Phoenix had all time and alt in the world, it got to like mach 4. Poor dude had 0 chance. TSD locking with the AIM-54 is broken.

verbal sandal
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You still can via radar auto lock it just suffers from aspect changes dropping locks

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Mach at like 10k dropping them has a similar effect tho they still hit like mach 4

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But the high alt dumps of mach 6 54s is still scary asf

barren summit
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I honestly felt bad. I mean, it's lore accurate sure, but hot damn.

verbal sandal
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Eh

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They don't turn well so it's not hard to pull them

barren summit
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True.

verbal sandal
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You just dont have as large of a window to pull

barren summit
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I think it's good now. Still formidable, but by no means a death sentence.

verbal sandal
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Oh yea they for sure throw off people who are still new to gpulls as you need to pull sooner

barren summit
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I just assume everyone is shooting at me and fly accordingly. Always have an out.

verbal sandal
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Yea that's the 24 play style that or get insane at its gpulls

barren summit
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I'm a 26 main, I need that AOA for reasons.

verbal sandal
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24 main

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Wing go swing shwing

barren summit
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It do be doin that

verbal sandal
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The rudder pulls are interesting

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Considering how adaptable they are and how much variation

barren summit
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I need big chunky buttons lol

verbal sandal
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I can't that's the biggest pain point for the 26

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It just feels too big

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It's the t55 or 24 for me

barren summit
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I respect it. I usually just go with two seaters in the unlikely event I have an irl friend online. Sometimes if I'm grindin for elo

verbal sandal
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T55s a printer but the 24 with phoenixes and sparrows is arguably more fun it's just an elo blunder without perfect play

barren summit
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Yeah that's the reason I stick with the 26. It's a jack of all trades. Ride in with tanks and half fuel, BVR when you can, if you get too close, drop tanks, merge and the other guy who usually comes with a full tank has a bad time.

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And you never lose too much elo unless you get gunned, which doesn't happen too often.

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Dat AOA tho

verbal sandal
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That's another reason why I don't play it super aircraft aoa simulator

barren summit
elfin pond
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Another win for the F/A-26B patriots

verbal sandal
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Y'alls favorite bread is white

barren summit
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It's actually a croissant. I respect the EF24/T-55 guys.

spring dune
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croissant ain't bread

verbal sandal
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Fr

spring dune
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bro is a 94 player

verbal sandal
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I'm atleast a sourdough enjoyer aka tangy white bread

barren summit
verbal sandal
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Fixed wing flyers when the wings rotate

spring dune
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witchcraft

barren summit
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Voodoo

spring dune
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F-101 mentioned

barren summit
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lol hell yeah

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but fr. my fav bread is banana bread... at work.

spring dune
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nothing beats baguette, that bread is on the UNESCO world heritage list

verbal sandal
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I would call 45 players white bread enjoyers as I see more mains of them but they already have iPad baby connotations

barren summit
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I agree. Like I said. I need knobs, levers, and big chunky buttons. Fly a 26 and a drive 03 Honda civic for the same reasons. You shouldn't be able to watch the bee movie while driving imo.

spring dune
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i play solo strike & sead EF-24