F-86G/MiG-15X

[uneven coyote]

a stealth fighter that's good in a dogfight ? sounds like an F-22 to me

[subtle night]

sounds like the 45

the 45 is crazy strong at exactly that

those 3 kills are against good players

[subtle night]

i'd love that

[grave patrol]

f45?

[drifting ivy]

Holy AI photo Batman

[primal hull]

can we shadowrealm this guy for the cringe photo

[lavish stratus]

dang I was just trying to represent the idea

[primal hull]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-realm-yu-gi-oh-yami-yugi-seto-kaiba-crack-gif-16684133

[bronze adder]

Not the AI photo 😭

[fierce walrus]

sounds like an F-35 to me

also F-86 and MiG-15 totally aren't optimized airframes for rate fights

they are just incredibly light

and carry like no fu el and armament

the F-16 and F-35 are probably the optimal airframes for rate

except they're both pretty hefty why the MiG-15 outrates both

[uneven coyote]

spitfire like agility …

modern jets like the F-16 or F-22 (and russian planes to i’m sure) are more manœuvrable than WW2 fighters im pretty sure

[primal stone]

Actually nah, a WWII prop relies on getting the plane slow but could easily win in a dogfight. There’s plenty of videos of MiG-15s taking out F-16s and F-15s in DCS

[uneven coyote]

radius and rate are bound to be better at slower speeds, but i was thinking of g force

in any case that kind of dogfight is very stupid, just use the vertical and extend out, then shoot em from afar

[glacial fiber]

Not quite, as history has gone on turn radius has massively spiked, there was a brief period people thought prop planes would stay forever because of this but uh

Turns out energy fighting wins

[uneven coyote]

not dogfighting wins

the whole "frontal merge at equal altitude" will never happen in reality, i’m sure its good for training and is fun in games

[glacial fiber]

Yes, that's exactly my point

Reality rarely creates the perfect hypothetical merge

[fierce walrus]

Only the F-22 and various Russian supermaneuvrables like the felon and some flankers match the spitfire’s turn radius

Rate fighters like the F-16 and F-35 get pretty close

And often have a higher turn rate, except they rate the best at 300-400 knots whereas the spit turns at maximum 200

This automatically makes the turn radius of the spit miniscule

[uneven coyote]

i would say it never does, anyways muh 5th generation mig-15 dogfighter is really stupid and we all agree lol

[glacial fiber]

Tbh I kinda like the goofy idea, I just don't like AI nonsense

I only said "rarely" because it's technically possible, just not common because most everyone IRL focuses on defensive BVR