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[unborn marten]

And shoot at like

90 degree angles?

[coarse estuary]

i think its close, but to fully 90 degrees

[indigo jewel]

Could have do jhmcs like the f-22

[frail fable]

The F-22 has HHOBS, Helmet-less High Off Boresight

[indigo jewel]

Yeah it can shoot at large degrees from front but not as much as with jhmcs

[indigo jewel]

Abt 65-75° iirc

[true ruin]

it depends, i've thought about this a lot

[past plank]

if their normal to the radar then yeah ofc they reflect a ton

[true ruin]

just a moment

there are sorta two types of canards, either ones that are use for pitch/roll control (F-45/Eurofighter) or are just used to point downwind for stability (SU-34 and other flanker types)

if you want pitch authority out of canards you need to deflect them MUCH more than horizontal stabs

mostly cause of their proximity to the center of mass, i believe

Higher deflection angles naturally is a little less favourable for stealth

not that it breaks it, but there has to be a very good reason to have them

im not sure what the J-20 does with it's canard, but i assume it's for pitch authority

personally, i dont believe any claim about the J-20 stealth, cause a lot of people say "we've picked it up on radar plenty of times", but also the F-35 uses Radar deflectors a lot of the time to help allied stations locate it when doing domestic flights

[past plank]

probably

[true ruin]

oh boy

[past plank]

i doubt they can go 70° AoA

[true ruin]

yeah

[coarse estuary]

Fuck it, 90 degree for airbrakes

[true ruin]

those itty bitty canards are great for stability, cause they send the center of pressure back at high AOA

which is great for post stall maneuvering and high AOA stuff

[past plank]

i.e. useless

[true ruin]

debateable, i wouldnt know

[past plank]

they're canted slightly upwards

[true ruin]

yeah thats so it doesnt spoil the airflow over the main wing

pretty much everything is like that

[past plank]

also weird vertical stabs in the back

[true ruin]

that is gross

[past plank]

Were the F-4's cursed aerodynamics 60 years ahead of their time ?

[true ruin]

istg that thing looks like a maxi pad with a cockpit

dont kill me

i dont like the F-4

[arctic sapphire]

No no, he’s got a point. Because the canards aren’t hidden behind the wing like the stabilators are on the 35 and 22, they have a higher RCS.

[coarse estuary]

But wont the wing then be hidden in the same amount by the canards?

[past plank]

i see the idea, but from the radar's perpective it doesn't change much, apart from when the canard is moving a lot, which is only the case at low speeds

[arctic sapphire]

Not quite, since canards are typically canted to not spoil airflow, as said above.

If they were flush, yes, like the X-02 Wyvern’s canards from the Ace Combat series when in high-speed configuration

[past plank]

like the threat is seing something like this anyways :

that 2nd pic seems unreal

you think the progressive cant wing affects RCS ?

[true ruin]

i dont think so

[pine solstice]

needs em to get off the runway with its shitty engines, not un founded hate its engines are quite bad

unlesss they have been upgraded

[past plank]

J-20A (new engines) has been in the news recently

first flight or somthg