Cold War Era Jet (hear me out)

[oblique hound]

Now, I know your first thought. "What new does this add to the game"?

Well the first addition is a WSO or RIO seat instead of an EWO seat, which we recently got with the futuristic tomcat. A RIO, or Radar Intercept Officer deals with all things radar. This not only adds a new mechanic, but also new gameplay.

Will this jet be outclassed by the other jets? Well, yes most likely. But so is the tyro and AV-42 compared to the other jets. However, many cold war era jets focused on speed, and used it to their advantage like the MIG-21 and F-4.

What else does this add? More Missiles, like an older AIM-54 variant, the AIM-4 Falcon, or something not American like the R-60 or R-73. The AGM-45 could be added as a new Radiation Missile, and the AGM-123, as an anti ship missile.

You might be thinking "Isn't this just what the EF-24G added"? Well, sure the EWO seat is similar to what I am describing. However there are large differences between the EWO and RIO, because they serve different purposes. Also, other simulators like DCS have very popular Cold War servers that are super fun because you get into intense dogfights with someone in back trying use radar, while the pilot maneuvers trying to use old technology and weapons.

Thanks for reading 🙂

Images Left to right, top to bottom:
F-4 Phantom II RIO seat, AIM-4 Falcon Missile, MIG-21 Fishbed.

Addition to the post: I wouldn't want a replica, but just something similar. Like how the F/A-26 is an F-15 and F/A-18

[onyx fable]

F-111-

[oblique hound]

a vark would be cool

[wanton musk]

Yeah a f-111 or a f-4 phantom Could be cool

[oblique hound]

There is an f-4 mod but it's really primitive

[lapis flare]

a jet by itself wouldn’t work

you would need to add new AI units and stuff

because you can’t really just put a cold war jet in a mission with modern threats

[oblique hound]

Yeah I forgot to add that it would be a perfect fit to add new ground things for mission editor

[lapis flare]

I think there is mich potential in adding new eras

but it’s almost like a different game

a spinoff

[oblique hound]

So is JBR

[lapis flare]

yeah

[oblique hound]

Although that never gets updates : /

[mental blaze]

yeah a jet that old just doesn't fit in vtol's timeline

[lapis flare]

maybe VTOL could be a base purchase with large DLCs like cold war and JBR all within the same game. But i don’t know

Also « cold war era jet » is VERY vague

[mental blaze]

vtol's "low tech" is like mid-late 80s at the earliest where things like widespread use of pulse doppler radars and presence of some ARH missiles make sense

[lapis flare]

F-4, mig 21, mig-25, mig-17, F-8 ……

so many jets, so different

[oblique hound]

Yeah

[lapis flare]

different sub eras etc

i think F-4 style is most fun

[oblique hound]

It would definitely have to be modeled after 1 plane because that was kinda the fuck around era

[lapis flare]

2 seat multi role

[oblique hound]

But yeah I think f-4 would be the best especially because of the rio seat

[lapis flare]

bit again so many options lol

[oblique hound]

But it would have to be reworked somehow for single player

[lapis flare]

these jets could not be operated single seat

which it would need to be for this game

[rugged lion]

idk man, im kinda ambivalent about this

[mental blaze]

forcing multicrew for full functionality in the context of vtol wouldn't be fun

[rugged lion]

all the planes in vtol can be manually limited to simulate cold war conditions

[oblique hound]

Yeah that's what I'm saying, idk how it would work. Maybe something like jester from DCS but that's probably super hard to code, or maybe have it work in both seats like how the ef24 is

[rugged lion]

i wont downvote, but like i dont think it really fits

[rugged lion]

i think it can be a bit earlier than that

[oblique hound]

Honestly you are probably right but I think it would be fun

[rugged lion]

AGM-161 IRL equivalent was made in the late 80s

[rugged lion]

that is true, i think it would be fun

but it shouldnt really replace a more capable aircraft with more unique features

it would make for a fantastic mod

[mental blaze]

yeah it's too far outside the intended timeframe of the game. I see the appeal, but it would either have to be an entirely separate game or a major modpack

[oblique hound]

A Vark is probably the most likely if it were to go that old because that could be reworked easier

[mental blaze]

as mentioned before, the AI units we all have are built around players having relatively modern sensor suites and weapons

[oblique hound]

Yeah if a Cold War era jet was added it would have to add a lot of ground units and rework a lot, it's more of a hopeful for the future kinda thing

[lapis flare]

not quite, they all have datalink, missile warning, doppler radar (no ground clutter), HUD, etc

[jade cape]

this still doesnt really add anything. whats stopping me from being a rio in the 24 or 55?

[oblique hound]

The ef24 is EWO oriented, and typically the pilot deals with weapons and radar.

Plus the radar can't be used with EW on

[jade cape]

and if the pilot doesnt carry EW then the bacseater can act like a WSO

RIO excuse me

[eternal creek]

Personally maybe not have this be a official update(atleast not yet( but a better modding platform and dedicated servers to allow cold war servers like Enigmas on dcs.

[oblique hound]

Yes 100%

I think a jet from this era is not a priority as the game still feels very beta-like

[eternal creek]

I would like the concept of very later in development maybe having era updates, bringing in new systems, going from what we have now which feels digital to more like analog if you get what I mean.

[oblique hound]

Yeah I agree, it would require a lot of additions and reworks for multiplayer and mission editor

[eternal creek]

But seeing the F-4 mod that's already made (very good but very rough right now) means that a update to the modding scene would help (imo) "fill the gap" between offical updates.

[jade cape]

btw there is a persistent cold war server

Dubyas

its kinda dead tho

[oblique hound]

I've played the f-4 mod and it's super primitive but hopefully it gets updates to be more like the old A-10 and F-16 mod quality

Still fun though so

[eternal creek]

Oh yea, ik, it's hella fun if players are on it. Wish if anything dubya had the ability to have custom cockpit layouts so the F-24 looked more the the F-14 if that makes sense.

[jade cape]

ive always had a dream of a sandbox vtol game where planes could be created

liek simpleplanes

but vtol

[eternal creek]

Yeeee

[jade cape]

but that will never happen so we need to work with what we have and keep building on it

[eternal creek]

Is there a post on a Community update?

Or a idea on a community update

[jovial pagoda]

The ModLoader is being tested right now for a Steam Release.

[eternal creek]

👀

[jade cape]

whattt

[oblique hound]

That's awesome, hopefully the modding community picks up

[jade cape]

what does that mean?

[rugged lion]

upgraded vtolvr mod loader

[jovial pagoda]

No further information at this time, but be patient, it's coming.

[jade cape]

for the game

[jovial pagoda]

Means Single Click Install for mod/modpacks

[rugged lion]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3018410/?snr=1_wishlist_4__wishlist-capsule

Steam

VTOL VR Mod Loader

VTOL VR Modding aims to add more user-created content into the game as mods. With the Mod Loader, players can add custom code into the game to add extra features that they wanted.Anyone can create mods with a bit of knowledge of Unity and C# using the creating a mod page also the Mod loader is open source, so anyone can help out improving the Mo...

Release Date

Coming soon

[jade cape]

like wouldnt it still be seperate lobbies?

[rugged lion]

probably yeah

i doubt client side mods would be allowed

it does launch as a seperate game

its like T-modloader

which only works if you have terraria installed

AFAIK

[jade cape]

i mean as long as I dont need to keep swapping games its fine

[rugged lion]

im not involved in it

[eternal creek]

I feel like this right here would stop all the post asking for A-10's and planes like that.

[oblique hound]

Yeah, I'd assume it's 2 separate games so you don't have to uninstall mods every time you switch games, similar to how TmodLoader does it

[rugged lion]

exactly

[jade cape]

i hope

[fringe gust]

I mean VTOL is "near-future", and it's reasonable to assume the F-4 will still be in service IRL, so it would make relative sense to have a modernized Cold War-era aircraft similar to Türkiye's F-4 Terminators

[jovial pagoda]

They did just retire the ROKAF Phantoms last month

shameless plug My Super Phantom in FlyOut

[mental blaze]

sure but the original suggestion was to have early-mid Cold War era hardware and avionics to make it unique, and that would be problematic given the game's timeframe. Barring all of that and just making the equivalent of a modernized Phantom, what would such an aircraft bring to the table to justify its existence?

[onyx fable]

Well now I need to make a SuperVark in FlyOut too

[noble cobalt]

2009 actually

AGM-161 is AGM-158

[rugged lion]

the AGM-86 is a GPS-INS navigation, terrain avoidance, high explosive, cruise missile, so its essentially the same

BUT it needs pre-programmed GPS points

so its not perfect

its just really close

AGM-86C/D specifically

[noble cobalt]

Not stealthy and does not have a terminal EO seeker

[rugged lion]

but yeah AGM-158 is closer

does the agm-161 have an EO seeker

i dont think it does

[noble cobalt]

Fun fact the terminal seeker on the 161 can hit moving targets

[noble cobalt]

It does 100%

There’s a video of it somewhere

[jovial pagoda]

If anything, the Cruise Missiles should be slightly less stealthy, but that's another topic

[rugged lion]

ive never seen it do anything with it, i never knew that

[noble cobalt]

The 158 that the 161 is based off of is designed to be stealthy

[noble cobalt]

It has like 0 use cases but it’s a thing

[jovial pagoda]

Maybe the 89 since its older

[noble cobalt]

89 maybe

It has a small visual cross section so it will naturally have a small RCS as well

[jovial pagoda]

Its got that F-117 faceted design, rather than the F-22/35 rounded design of the 158

Dubya and I actually did work on a loadout page for an upgraded F-4-esque design for VTOL. (This was before the mod came out)

[onyx fable]

Stealing this idea for later

[bleak wasp]

The problem with your suggestion is that you don't need cold war for that imo

[round pike]

The game is set in near future. Yes the tyro is outclassed but that is because it’s a trainer. 3rd gen would be killed in a heartbeat due to the crappy weapons and high rcs. We already have multicrew as a feature and just because they are controlling different things doesn’t make the feature any different.

[jovial pagoda]

modernized third gen

[steady yacht]

Kurnass F4 my beloved

[steady yacht]

I forgor you were doing this on flyout or something similar, but very poggers!

[round pike]

Another issue is this is a addition for only a couple low tech servers. there really isn't to big of a niche to add muskets to arma, even if you make the grip rubberized.

[jovial pagoda]

Same reason the Phantom is in DCS, fly low, fast, strike a pre-planned target, go home

[round pike]

The phantom is in dcs because it has no set era. In fact, the cold war era of the game is most fleshed out. On the other hand VTOL VR is more set when 5th and 4++ gen rules. there would be no overlap and less continuity between the game and its community.

[jovial pagoda]

Less continuity? There would be possibly more content. More content is always good for a flight game like this.

[round pike]

continuity, not content.

[jovial pagoda]

We have low tech weapons, why not a low/mid tech aircraft? They upgraded Phantoms in multiple countries to fly well into this century so far.

It’s a perfect idea

[round pike]

These weapons are in the game because its easier to add and manage weapons then a whole set of aircaft. Even then these low tech missiles are of the most advanced of their era.

[jovial pagoda]

Exactly. We have advanced low tech missiles (the 9E has a lot of maneuverability, the Sparrow can re-acquire)

[round pike]

yes, and that's the point. These were added because they add more options. I'd the majority of the player base I bet hasn't even shot an aim-7H. It's a Niche.

[steady yacht]

One could argue low tech is a niche

Which it pretty much is in vtol

[jovial pagoda]

More content for a game like this is always a win. We’re getting TOW missiles on the 94 for that reason. Someone asked for them and now we’re getting them.

[round pike]

more content isn't always a win. things get cluttered and the game gets more expensive.

[jovial pagoda]

That’s why new aircraft since the 94 have been optional as DLC.

You don’t have to fly this new aircraft if you don’t want to if he’d ever make a 3rd gen

That’s the beauty of choice

[round pike]

Also, just because somebody asks doesn't mean they will receive. I want friendly and enemy helicopters, but I understand it isn't necessary for the game and isn't worth the migraine from the dev at this point of development.

[jovial pagoda]

You never know. Baha is one of the best devs in the business. He may get bored one day or hire someone under him and we might have AI helis someday.

Never give up

[round pike]

The more dlc you add the more expensive the game gets. There will be missions you can't play or slots that will be unavailable because you don't have he necessary dlc.

[jovial pagoda]

Then buy the DLC. It’s not like they’re $75 from war thunder or DCS.

[round pike]

some day, but not anytime soon. Cold war VTOL vr sounds more like a spinoff rather then a inplementation.

[jovial pagoda]

I disagree. The 26 and 55 can easily stand in for early 4th / late 3rd gens with the right mission design and load out.

[round pike]

hence the more money you need to spend.

[jovial pagoda]

We’re talking like $20 max.

[round pike]

the 26 is way to manoverable and capable.

[jovial pagoda]

Not with full CFTs and a heavy iron bomb load out. Look at Dubya’s Cold War server for that

[round pike]

So? Money is money and the more it costs the more unattractive the game looks to newbies, the type of which we need more of for the community to grow.

[jovial pagoda]

Not really. We have a good enough community as is, I’d actually like to see slightly more exclusivity in the space of flight games.

It’s a fun game for me and many others in the community thus far. I think Baha could afford to make it more variable

[oblique hound]

Hell I played using just sparrows and aim9e's with a friend in the Ef-24 and just had him control the radar while I pilot

Only used radar sms and rwr screens

[jovial pagoda]

Ayyy lets go

[empty kettle]

I would love a cold war era jet

[limpid pilot]

Not just what new does it add to the game, but what can it do that existing vehicles can't?

[jovial pagoda]

MERs

Low Tech SARH

Rockeyes, Snakeyes, Air to Sea Radar

[oblique hound]

^

also more variation in aircraft and more player choice

you obviously wouldnt have to buy or use the plane but players could choose to play a lower tech aircraft

[bleak wasp]

Also more manual radar adjustments

Like gain and stuff

Older radar scope

If we use the phantom or F-14 as an example,

[oblique hound]

This is the biggest thing I want

Pilot would have to control it in singleplayer, but with 2 people the wso/rio could control the radar

[steady yacht]

Id maybe argue for the DDD on the f14 sure

idk the DSCG works but its a funky thing to read on its own anyway

[jovial pagoda]

Dude the DSCG is so much fun to interpret the smudges

[steady yacht]

the day the navy model gets dropped in dcs the day I go back to the f4

Im content with my like 500 hours on the f14 rio

I just dropped of in knowing how to use that thing in the f4

luckily the navy variants have a PD radar

[oblique hound]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

Waiting for the F4 and MiG-21 mods to get updated

[modest sandal]

Napalm

[steady yacht]

Yeah they need to get added to the steam mod loader

We only have modern gripen

Smh my head

[oblique hound]

Ikr right

No rush I would rather polished than rushed

[steady yacht]

This is truely a reason to buy the mog 21 on dcs

Truely

[oblique hound]

Truely

I hate the iff switch I forget it everytime

[steady yacht]

It right there dude

Its a button right on rhe display

I mean makes sense since I really never use the radar

[bleak wasp]

Maybe he meant the one next to the radar on swtich

[steady yacht]

Like the iff power swtich or to actually iff airframe?

Its the power switch according to chucks

[steady yacht]

Mb, I assumed you meant the radar jamming mode (iff) mode button right above the display

[fringe gust]

Lag bombs 😍

[jovial pagoda]

Ideas ideas…

[steady yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/neuron-activation-neuron-gif-1455356329209493514

[jovial pagoda]

If only Baha would give us a truly bow-less canopy

Muh all around bubble of visibility

[rugged lion]

i kinda like having it, its nice to reference as a solid point

i dont think the angle is consistent between planes though, so its not super useful

[lapis flare]

at least in the Tyro

lemme larp as an F-16

[oblique hound]

Compiled List of All the New Features and Such

-Addition of a RIO, which serves a different purpose from the existing EWO seat and provides for more strategic gameplay. This would have to work without a backseater though, like in the mischief.

-Older missiles like a lower tech AIM-7, AIM-54, AGM-45, or AGM-123, Hellfires (yes already in the game but not on a fix wing), CBU-100, snakeyes (high drag bombs)

-New AI units from that era.

-The F4 works well with the https://discord.com/channels/319915885575798785/1255278282497327164 post, as some variants can equip 4.

-New gameplay style and closer range engagements.

-Any new planes from this era are not likely to be added, because there isn't much new to add compared to the existing planes in the game.

-More content revolving around Vietnam/mid cold war era missions

-More instrument reliance, and older tech radar

-More planes to chose from!

might edit later if I find more examples

[jovial pagoda]

Don't forget Snakeyes and Rockeyes

But yes, absolutely yes, all of the above

[oblique hound]

I got the cbu-100

whats the snakeye I forget

[jovial pagoda]

Oh, i forgor the CBU-100 and Mk20 are the same thing (ish)

Snakeye is the high drag fin retarded bomb 500lb

[oblique hound]

cool I'll add that

[lapis flare]

wouldn't there still need to be 1 MFD, at least for the option menu

that knd of stuff

[oblique hound]

true

[jovial pagoda]

Yeah

[oblique hound]

maybe add it to the radial menu

[jovial pagoda]

Like the F-4E AUP or Termi2020

Or the MiG-21 LanceR

[oblique hound]

oh true

[lapis flare]

yeah ofc, but still a compromise

[jovial pagoda]

I think the F-4 mod is a pretty good idea of what we could see from an early jet in VTOL.

Baha please make it a reality and my life is yours

[lapis flare]

i like the Top Aces A-4, IRST, AESA....

oh no wait !

just put it on an ipad

make it look like something strapped on

so you can turen it off

like the ukrainian mig 29

just got a garmin GPS in there basicly

[oblique hound]

https://discord.com/channels/319915885575798785/1270323208809353278 like this maybe

[lapis flare]

yeah

[oblique hound]

might not make sense but if it keeps the cockpit faithful to the f4 who cares

and some countries use the f4 still anyway (although they have mfds now)

[lapis flare]

as long as it doesn't have a HUD

[oblique hound]

yeah

[lapis flare]

carrier landings are too easy 🙃

[oblique hound]

well modern hud

oh yeah more excuses to use ils

[oblique hound]

or hmcs

[lapis flare]

people are gonna have to learn visual flight path

[lapis flare]

yeah just a gunsight

[oblique hound]

although maybe some info though so it isnt super hard for new players

or intimidating

[jovial pagoda]

I'd say a simplified HUD with Altitude, Speed, Compass, and FPM.

F-14 HUD would go hard

[oblique hound]

yeah

[jovial pagoda]

(The F-14A is the last 3rd gen IMHO)

[lapis flare]

analog stores managment

[jovial pagoda]

hot*

A dream

[oblique hound]

⬆️

[jovial pagoda]

being able to turn a knob like our jettison, and select each individual pylon

[lapis flare]

hairy legs

giant warning ligh panel

with light bulb test button

F-16A is apropriatly shitty too

[oblique hound]

f15a has the worst cockpit

[lapis flare]

that is shitty

oh btw, cold war jet is center stick only

[oblique hound]

maybe center stick by default

I use center stick but I know people love sidestick too

[jovial pagoda]

I like the F-15A cockpit tho

Another win for centerstick users

[limber pollen]

earlier jets like this and a blackhawk/seahawk styled heli for anti sub, cargo etc are the main things i want in this game

[oblique hound]

h-60 my beloved

[limber pollen]

imagine fistbumping your co-pilot in an MH-60L DAP setup after murdering a convoy

anyway for this suggestion itself
seems like a cool idea to me

[gloomy flame]

This would be cool but doubt it'll happen since vtol is a near future game

[jovial pagoda]

They're going to still be flying the B-52 in the "near-future" and it is almost 70 years old.

I think a fighter is somewhat more believable to have an extended lifespan. Plus, with each passing update, the 26B looks older and older.

The last F-15Cs were built in the late 90s afterall

[oblique hound]

yeah the f-15c is still in use in a lot of places around the us

nearly 200

[jovial pagoda]

Technically speaking, the last F-4 Phantoms were flown in 2016.

In US service

So, not that far outlandish

[oblique hound]

Yeah

15c is being replaced by the EX, though

[jovial pagoda]

yup

[forest swan]

This would be so sick

there would also need to be like an opfor mig 21 though right

[oblique hound]

idk

baha has said he doesnt want opfor

[jovial pagoda]

I think if we get playable redfor aircraft, it would be nice to have opposition, but for now, (and forever) the main playable team should be the stronger team

[forest swan]

no like on the other side. Not playable

[oblique hound]

oh ai

[forest swan]

just a new airplane

Ai **

Yea

[jovial pagoda]

an AI cold war light fighter would be sick

[oblique hound]

yeah

[jovial pagoda]

(basically the T-55 but worse)

[forest swan]

exactly, mig 21, mig 23, maybe mig 17 type thing

[oblique hound]

is there anyway I can pin this?

[lapis flare]

F-15 enters production > does amazingly well > they make an A2G version > does amazingly well too ! > make the F-22 to replace the A2A versions > only make a third of the intended fleet > F-15C remains in service > F-22 production is closed > F-15 lives on

Outliving your own replacment is pretty cool

B-1 and B-2 tried replacing the BUFF, they failed

now they're not even trying anymore, B-21 won't replace the 52

[oblique hound]

I love the f22 😟

I'd like to fly but It'l probably be retired by the time I'd be able to

[lapis flare]

no, they’re gonna keep it

NGAD is paused

[oblique hound]

Oh fr?

[lapis flare]

yup

they’re gonna upgrade the raptor hard

stealth pods, IRST

[oblique hound]

Yeah there was an image with fuel tanks

Hopefully jhmcs too

War is bad but planes are rad

[lapis flare]

but maybe the earlier blocks will be retired (or moved to agressors ??👀) because block upgrades cost as much as a new F-35

[oblique hound]

Damn

Still cheaper than a new f-22 its like 3x the price of an f-35

[lapis flare]

yeah restarting F-22 production is off the table

[steel jackal]

BAHA!!!! GIVE US A MODERNIZED F-4 PHANTOM AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!!!!!

[oblique hound]

Nah retro is the way

Late third early fourth

[steady yacht]

Dmas f4 my beloved

[onyx fable]

Damn Phantom simps

*coddles my Aardvark *

[pure ember]

😐

[rugged lion]

you should commission an f-111 plushie

[onyx fable]

Would, I looked up an F-4 plush and it exists

I must fight for my camp

[oblique hound]

Just thought about a drag chute

Not a crazy new feature but still fun

[lapis flare]

hit the brakes he’ll fly right by

[steel jackal]

Fuck you F-4 my beloved

[steady yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-kitye-drilied-gioated-anime-eyes-gif-20186176

[steel jackal]

F-4 is just superior in every way (it isn't I just glaze it professionally)

[steady yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/gandhi-civilization6-civ-vi-civilization-gandhi-gif-25442511

[gloomy flame]

So? It’s not a near future aircraft, im saying that so many things get turned down because “not near future”

[jovial pagoda]

It's baha's game not ours

[lapis flare]

the customer is always right tho

[oblique hound]

In what they want

[blissful gust]

THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT IN MATTERS OF TASTE.

use the full quote ozob

[lapis flare]

the fuck does OZOB mean

[blissful gust]

https://tenor.com/view/bozo-detected-bozo-detected-bozo-found-found-gif-23176259

[steel jackal]

WRONG

[steady yacht]

your wrong, sulphiric acid is your punishment

[fringe gust]

https://tenor.com/view/spelling-mistake-minor-spelling-mistake-meme-gif-23650588

Mods, tie him up and hang him by his balls

[oblique hound]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-minor-s-spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10940848928744248792

[lapis flare]

we don’t live in a planned economy, if the DLC isn’t worth buying, Baha goes broke

We the customers have the money, we choose where we spend it, we have the purchasing power

Thats what i meant to say, ofc a customer can be wrong

[rugged lion]

I'm pretty sure baha is a multi-millionaire with the amount of sales already

[lapis flare]

really, i mean steam and the governments take cuts

[steel jackal]

F-4 DLC is worth buying

Or an OpFor DLC

Tons of people have said they would pay for an OpFor dlc

[oblique hound]

I would spend 25$ on an f4 dlc

[steel jackal]

Fr

I would spend hundreds

[oblique hound]

however

12$ is good

[steel jackal]

I would sell my kidney for it

[onyx fable]

Idk about an F-4, seeing as DCS is pretty popular with that module that came out recently

[oblique hound]

Which shows people wanna fly it

And not needing to read a 400 page manual and spend money on a hotas is perfect for most people

[steel jackal]

And also knowledge of literally everything a fighter jet has to offer which people don’t have time for unless you’re in the Air Force or smth equivalent

[blissful gust]

Therefore the customer is always right in matters of taste. If the next DLC is not interesting to you, it is your decision whether to purchase it. Purchasing power is not relevant as I will buy 2 copies to offset your decision

[oblique hound]

^

People here act like its something that needs to be for everyone. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean it isnt a good idea

[rugged lion]

real

some things are just kinda

uninformed

[blissful gust]

I am Johnathan Low Tech. I would love a F-4 ICE type thing. But it needs to fill more of a niche (ground radar/analog cockpit/single MFD/morbloads of bombs/single seat?)

Still doesnt fit the new gameplay mechanics thing though

[rugged lion]

i think compiling a big list of "new features" would benefit the feature suggestions a lot

[jovial pagoda]

Maybe, but I still personally think the "new features" caveat is antiquated.

[rugged lion]

kinda

eventually you run out of things to add

[blissful gust]

Subjective

[rugged lion]

what is

what people consider as new features?

i agree if so, but it would still be useful

[blissful gust]

Yes

Sorry was driving

Logistics and ASW are the only ones I can think of and even those are iffy

Imo Transport helo is the only DLC I could get behind

The game still needs more QOL and polish after 1.10

[rugged lion]

I think those are more like umbrella categories

I get what you mean though

i think that if we let aircraft not be required to land on carriers, that would open up a lot of options

the constraints and requirements for new aircrafts are kinda vague

[oblique hound]

hey 400 replies 😎

[blissful gust]

I dont think thats a huge issue, just add a tailhook for fixed wing and rotor fold for helicopters

[pure ember]

and don't make them overly massive

like we don't need an AN225

[oblique hound]

AN-22 🐓

[rugged lion]

I'm more thinking about size problems

it kinda chokes up logistics/bomber platforms

or stuff like the P-3

[pure ember]

or justy

don't have planes the size of a skyscraper

[lapis flare]

i think its fine, you can fit a pretty good size onto the carrier

[onyx fable]

Like the AWACS lol

Or KC-49

[blissful gust]

By logistics I mean a transport helicopter that has some way to move around a deployable farp or supplies like budget

Bomber/C130 type aircraft is the worst idea known to vtolkind

[steel jackal]

If baha adds F-4 I will happily buy 100 copies of it on release

[steady yacht]

Hmm, add flight of the phantoms to vtol ost, we must

[steel jackal]

Yes

[fringe gust]

Wild Weasels better

[bleak wasp]

Honestly deployable weapons would be cool too

[steady yacht]

says the one who is playing genshin

[fringe gust]

"Genshin bad" brainrot

If I didn't like flight sims I could be shitting on you for it

[oblique hound]

Genshin isnt bad I just don't like anime tbh

[dreamy brook]

my most-wanted part would be vintage radars, given that this game seems to have the best radar sim out there. what if there were low-tech variants of existing craft? f-45 downgraded to the heli systems is practically a harrier, etc etc.

[oblique hound]

^

This basically

What do I need to do to get a low tech radar D:

[steady yacht]

If we did get a aircraft with a pulse radar that could be interesting for vtol

[lapis flare]

while back i thought a rudimentary ground radar (so its just an unfiltered radar) could be used as a low tech radar because it would have ground clutter

[steady yacht]

A pulse radar could have that yuh bit no detailed

Just limits look down shoot down capacity

[oblique hound]

Recompiled List of All the New Features and Such

-Addition of a RIO, which serves a different purpose from the existing EWO seat and provides for more strategic gameplay. This would have to work without a backseater though, like in the mischief.

-Older missiles like a lower tech AIM-7, AIM-54, AGM-45, or AGM-123, Hellfires (yes already in the game but not on a fix wing), CBU-100, snakeyes (high drag bombs)

-New AI units from that era.

-The F4 works well with the ⁠https://discord.com/channels/319915885575798785/1255278282497327164 post, as some variants can equip 4.

-New gameplay style and closer range engagements.

-Any new planes from this era are not likely to be added, because there isn't much new to add compared to the existing planes in the game.

-More content revolving around Vietnam/mid cold war era missions

-More instrument reliance, and older tech radar

-Old Hud

-More planes to chose from!

might edit later if I find more examples

[jovial pagoda]

Shrikes? Hell Yeah!

I have a photo for this

[oblique hound]

I'll be closing this thread after you post that :)\

thanks for everyone who contributed