#C130 / HEAVY AIRCRAFT

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river karma
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I said that

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Wait

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I remember saying something about the implementation

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Sorry

night saffron
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Your good

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I think if you eject and then once your on the ground you can press in the thumb stick to walk and press in the thumb stick and trigger to teleport

dapper willow
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The A400M would work to since it already features a side stick and many systems similer to vtol vr although, a Ac130 would be awsome and provide good and engaging gameplay for pilot and co pilot. that solves the boring problem also if there was a conquest gamemode where logistics matter. if i am repeating anything already said i didnt read the whole feed lol.

foggy harness
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A conquest or territory control where you have to supply and support infantry across a large scale battle field could be a cool approach

night saffron
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Transporting 20-40 troops with a huge cargo plane being escorted by f-45s and f-26Bs while ef-24s jam targets sounds so cool

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But we would need bigger maps

spring pike
# night saffron But we would need bigger maps

not necessarily
The point would be tactical airlift, dropping troops, supplies and vehicles directly to the frontline.
You have to fly in at low altitude, and either do parachute airdrops, LAPES, or a short landing at a FARP. All in a relatively dangerous environment.
Strategic airlift, in my opinion, is really kinda lame. That’s the one where you just go from airfield A to airfield B, like an airliner. Any cargo plane in VTOL could always do strategic airlift, but the fun would be in the riskier, and more skillful tactical airlift mission.

fallow lagoon
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wouldn't a platform like the C/E-2D work better? it's a smaller airframe sure but still fills the niche enough whilst being carrier capable, granted there's no IRL AAR capacity but that doesn't mean there cant be some creative license

thorny sun
spring pike
fallow lagoon
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and if you want proven AAR, MPA, CAS then theres the C-295 from Airbus but thats a prop and smaller than the C-130 so maybe more within VTOL's scope

spring pike
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I think prop is better

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because you get prop torque

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which makes the aircraft way more interesting to fly

fallow lagoon
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also while im C-295 posting

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That is all

spring pike
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yeah C-295 is a great example of a carrier-scaled cargo plane with lots of different versions

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But i also understand the argument for a full sied C-130

fallow lagoon
fallow lagoon
spring pike
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upside :

  • you can carry large stuff, like armored vehicles
  • proper iconic AC-130 loadout with 3 different guns
  • is actually larger than the F/A-26 (which is already massive)
    downside :
  • not CATOBAR
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pretty big downside for a game where all aircraft are CATOBAR

fallow lagoon
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Yeah the 295 wouldn’t be either, baha would have to do some ‘26 style design fuckery

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To get something to bring a new, engaging, and meaningful gameplay loop to carriers

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But w the efficiency of these aircraft in terms of fuel that maybe wouldn’t need to be a massive pre-requisite

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Could prob manage them being land/diminished runway only

spring pike
fallow lagoon
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Maybe bin the AC-130 requirement

spring pike
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well you get an AC-235

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which only fits a single small autocanon

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no 105mm

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that thing takes up a lot of room, even in the AC-130

fallow lagoon
fallow lagoon
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Think it’s just a 20-25mm

spring pike
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yeah

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30mm M230LF

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the apache's gun

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But yeah, you might as well take an AV-42 if the firepower is the same

thorny sun
# spring pike I think prop is better

ik the rsn why the cargo aircraft uses props instead of jets, esp turbo props, but in vtolvr idk if itll be implented bc everythings jet propelled

toxic wigeon
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Started working on this again after being MIA for a bit. Stay tuned :)

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Recorded this prior to fixing the aiming - you can focus fire on a single target as you'd expect to be able to

thorny sun
foggy harness
proven orbit
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E-420C

thorny sun
toxic wigeon
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Lots of cool stuff 😎

thorny sun
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nice nice

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lmk when ur done, very interesting!

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that is quite literally what id like as this thread- a CAS, refuel, AWACS version of that essentially, and ofc the vehicle transport

toxic wigeon
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Vehicle transport is the only thing I'm not confident confirming publicly - lots of factors involved that will decide if it's possible (for me, at least)

thorny sun
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parachute drop

toxic wigeon
thorny sun
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@wooden arch heres a good ratio for heavy vehicles / c130's

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430 / 29, ratio'd hella

thorny sun
frozen basin
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I do believe there should be a group aircraft or big aircraft in the game. It would definitely add to the immersion and fights.

raven forge
wide bear
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Would it bring heavy bombers into the picture

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And then tactical nuclear bombs of different yields would be a good idea

thorny sun
# wide bear Would it bring heavy bombers into the picture

The idea is to have 1 heavy airframe with module capabilities- the same airframe, like the C130 can convert to an AC130, firefighter, troop transport/vehicle transport IRL. In the game, an AWACS version, tanker, attacker(like ac130), troop/vehicle transport, and bombers were discussed

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i was thinking to have 2/4 outter pylons like the AC130 has as well. could be used for fuel or the basic med/high band jammers too

thorny sun
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tho it would be cool to see if it could be a CATOBAR aircraft which tbh i think could be

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there's already naval capable aircraft (obviously) and even in IRL C130's were capable of landing and taking off from aircraft carriers

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to make one a rough size of the E2 would be awesome for both troop/transport, an attacker, + tanker/AWACS version

lilac verge
thorny sun
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that i know as well LMAO

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ballsy pilot, but still was accomplished

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tho i do not expect an ACTUAL sized C130 to be catobar

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a rough size of an E2 should work for troop and ground transport

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even if it cant fit tank but something like a vehicle transport so we can RP Para jumpers and vehicles and watching it parachute down into near enemy territory

lilac verge
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yeah, just lacking the "heavy" bit from this suggestion

thorny sun
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I mean... I do believe the E2 is a heavy vehicle

lilac verge
thorny sun
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dang

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well, something along the lines of an E2, after all VTOLVR is somewhat futuristic

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1 sec

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grumman S2 tracker airframe is the E2

lilac verge
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yeah it's just that getting something carrier capable, and that can carry more than the 26 weapon wise, isn't gonna be a turboprop

thorny sun
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well jets have gone thru vast improvements, and tbh, the 26 isnt even to real standard

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it is veryyy large

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I'm talking maybe, maybe 1/3 bigger than an av42c cargo bay wise enough for it to be capable of carrying ground vehicles + troop transport

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once thats capable of being accomplished (i think would be the hardest part) the tanker and awacs variants should be relatively easy to follow

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then an attacker variant like an AC130

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i mean realistically we could also make the ground transport non CATOBAR while every other variant has the tailhook...

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that'll make it the first aircraft to be non catobar...

thorny sun
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thinking about it now i think the ground/troop transport should j be one module with foldable seats kinda like a c130. if a vehicle is loaded, can only hold 4 troops, if not, then like 30 troops. that'll be the first variant/aircraft non catobar

  • bomber
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  • awacs
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  • tanker
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  • attacker
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  • logistic (ground/troop; non catobar)
hazy nova
thorny sun
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it's kinda like that kinda not

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but yeh a bomber module would be nice too

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tho just a single bomber aircraft j doesnt seem to be as useful as a multi module airframe capable of adapting to mission needs

hazy nova
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Forced teamwork, I think there’s a time and place for it in the game

silk delta
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you can check out a game "angel of death" on vr, its an open beta i think yet, its well made and pretty similar to vtol vr, but an ac-130 gunship would be badass in vtolvr

fair crag
thorny sun
fair crag
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@forest marten Could you confirm if angel of death is still in development or not?

forest marten
silk delta
young light
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Maybe even a c-5 galaxy? Ik they are huge but they would be great for troop\invasion missions.

Imagine your mission is to drop a couple seals deep into enemy territory, that would be epic

lilac verge
raven forge
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That's a sea lion how could you mix them up

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(Says the guy that was not a seal before being not a duck)

young light
young light
vagrant parrot
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Rapid Dragon would go extremely hard

young light
thorny sun
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That’s 100% what I’d like to see in the future with troop/vehicle transport modules

shell pewter
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i think even three pilots, one in the back with his own electronics/misc setup would be awsome

thorny sun
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Yeah. Ngl sometimes I just like formation flying and being a coordinator. It would be pretty dope to have a large aircraft giving “real time updates” like an AWACS or something giving updates on the nav map. Or if that aircraft is in the same squadron as others, maybe has a new ability to “draw” / write objectives or something idk

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Anyone ever played Onward or Arma 3 knows they can draw on a map. Would be pretty cool if they could update nav maps with highlighters or something, giving key “routes” to navigate through and providing early warning predictions of other units

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raven forge
white kernel
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I WILL pay $60 to fly a C130 type plane in vtol vr

raven forge
white kernel
thorny sun
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fr. idk how people ONLY enjoy missile spamming. its a whole new way of enjoying VTOLVR with friends, mission game play, and planning. that and you'd be a HUGE support asset to your team

cinder wyvern
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Its subjective. Some players just won't see enjoyment in logistics, and vice versa

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I was digging through some old media for a concept I made a while ago. I think this thing would still be too large to be remotely viable in combat, but it could serve the role as a 'commander' of sorts

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I found it in my files last night. I don't have the patience to learn modding but something like this with swappable mission modules (like the Boxer APC) might have merit?

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I might continue with the mesh for my own projects and as a concept

foggy harness
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I mean like having a deployable ground team you could guide from a awacs style areal surveillance platform could be fun you have a 3 man vehicle 1 pilot 1 ewo and 1 ground combat commander

cinder wyvern
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I think you could easily do it solo

foggy harness
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You could do anything solo but doing it with others is also fun

sacred blade
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The more I think about this the more I'm down for a logistics/AEWC/gunship heavy.
I think something like this would massively expand the scope of the game. Dog fighters have their own game now, but having an expanded roster of aircraft types couple empower campaign builders.

sacred blade
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Looking through the other threads on this, I agree it's not sexy but I do think there would be plenty who would want to play as a heavy pilot. I think a sticking point might be giving the co-pilot enough to do, but you could have the co pilot run defensive systems/jammers/radar like in the EF.

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You could even have a similar switch for control, as with the T55

raven forge
sacred blade
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I would love to myself. I could, of course, on MSFS but there's no point to that, especially in single player. I could, I suppose, do it on DCS but I have issues with DCS that I don't have with VTOL (especially VR), plus there's a universe of possibilities for milsimming with VTOL