allow the rotation of the engines to go to 100 or 110 degrees on the AV-42C for more control when landing/hovering/slowing down
#100 degree tilt on AV-42C
visual venture
mental hound
also for aiming downwards, would be really nice for ground attack
low panther
To expand on this idea for controlling it, how about having the nozzles able to pivot for control yaw control? That way you can still have it to 90° and get the 100-110° bonus
On top of that, having it set to 90, full-throttle and braking would push it back to the max pivotable range
scenic pagoda
To expand on this idea for controlling it, how about having the nozzles able to ...
Sounds overly complicated
low panther
It really isn’t
scenic pagoda
nice…
low panther
And the brake thing is more a “oh shit I need to stop” or “oh crap I overshot” thing anyways
Tho with the latter one you can just… idk, pull up
hollow bison
allow the rotation of the engines to go to 100 or 110 degrees on the AV-42C for ...
YES PLEASE! So crazy the AV-42 and F-45 can't do this when both the V-22 and F-35 can. (F-45 doesn't need it, but the AV-42 desperately does)
low panther
Oh crap the V-22 does? I didn’t know that one
visual venture
Oh crap the V-22 does? I didn’t know that one
yup
it also helps with unnasisted back taxi
or at least it would in vtol
low panther
God yes
gilded trail
Oh crap the V-22 does? I didn’t know that one
Me neither, but yeah it checks out
visual venture
tilt the left engine to 100 right to 80 and spin
hollow bison
Oh crap the V-22 does? I didn’t know that one
Yeah, they specifically show it off during airshows and such by making it "nod" at the crowd while hovering. (Or at least they did early on.)
low panther
Oh damn that’s actually cool af
hollow bison
Y'all should read The Dream Machine
low panther
I’m currently reading Skunkworks right now- wait how’d you do that with links
Oh
Oh shit that works on discord too?!
hollow bison
*Oh shit that works on discord too?!*
new-ish feature. But be careful using it on other servers. Many have it assume those links are phishing, so you'll get auto timed out.
low panther
Oh fair
hollow bison
(similar to how attempting to (at)everyone here will get you flagged)
hollow bison
I think it's the same
low panther
Ok good
scenic pagoda
What about @ here?
What about @ there?
low panther
What about the @everywhere?
scenic pagoda
it’s always how did you sneak into the airspace or why you’re there never how is the pilot doing :(
mental hound
YES PLEASE! So crazy the AV-42 and F-45 can't do this when both the V-22 and F-3...
90° is perfect for the 45 but av could use some more angle for sure
low panther
90° is perfect for the 45 but av could use some more angle for sure
Agreed, tho having yaw control would be interesting too
fallen eagle
please 🙏
mental hound
true, though i dunno how that'd be implemented with the current control scheme. more use for rcs though
low panther
Just thought about this more, being able to “nod” would make strafing while hovering so much easier
visual venture
being able to point 10 or 20 degrees down while hovering completely still would be cool
you can already point up, but both would be cool
green ridge
The harrier can go the 92 iirc
IIRC the flight manual says it can go to 98°, and the Harrier tends to hover slightly nose-up so the effective angle is even greater than 98°
fleet fable
IIRC the flight manual says it can go to 98°, and the Harrier tends to hover sli...
yeah that sound about right, 0kts hover is at 88 iirc in the AV-8B
mental hound
Neat addition that could boost the av's a2g effectiveness would be what i call "auto-tilt" essentially just keeps the engines at 90° where the nose is angled up or down to keep it somewhat in place while hovering
warped otter
Suicide-burns in vtol? Count me in
obtuse summit
I'll add to this and say that if this was added in a way that it is manual only, there should be a "snapping" point at 90 degrees so you aren't constantly fighting to keep it there. Something as simple as requiring you to hold forward an extra half second would work
hollow bison
Eh, it's not that simple. Sometimes you really need to finely tilt between 80-100 for a trick.
I think an "engine tilt" vehicle option would make sense. Maybe:
- Limited: Tilting past 90 deg is impossible (behaves exactly how it is now)
- Snap: tilting stops at 90 deg. Release and reapply to move past it.
- Free: tilting is unrestricted across full range.
It should default to Snap
obtuse summit
Having those options would be the perfect implementation, yeah
Something in vehicle options or a physical switch?
I'd love a new switch since most new settings have just been shoved into the MFD
hollow bison
MFD is less work, but I think either is fine. Maybe a knob instead of a switch though.
fleet fable
knob makes more sense, like the SAS knob
obtuse summit
knob sounds perfect then
neat oasis
additional idea
autotilt
would make it so where as you slow down your engines tilt more and more until you are put into a hover
Honestly we have enough kestrel ideas on the top part of this page the next update could be a "SuperKestrel" as a DLC or a complete kestrel rework
or like a heavy kestrel thats not supersonic but carrys more weapons and is more high tech (almost 5th gen, or actually 5th gen)
sage fable
VCAP for Kestrel when
native hound
VCAP for Kestrel when
doesnt it get autohover?
neat oasis
VCAP does landing?
sage fable
I have never done a VCAP landing
scenic pagoda
gear down
scenic pagoda
I have never done a VCAP landing
I have done so many
they are fucking easy
gear down, throttle down
Hit VCAP
Throttle to the middle notch on the throttle indicator
neat oasis
I always just try and land it like a helicopter and nearly break my gear
scenic pagoda
Use the joystick for up down and roll
Rudders for yaw
no pitch
only up or down
The notch in the throttle is the carrier’s cruise speed
plane will slow down
And bobs your uncle
steep ibex
Use the joystick for up down and roll
It's not roll, it's still pitch... It's just limited pitch
neat oasis
It's not roll, it's still pitch... It's just limited pitch
it is both limited roll and limited pitch
you tilt to move in a direction
normal tundra
I’ve always come in with my nose at +10 degrees above the horizon. That way 80 tilt is vertical and 90 tilt helps me reverse.
steep ibex
it is both limited roll and limited pitch
Yeah but, it's still called pitch
its not "up and down roll"
steep ibex
I’ve always come in with my nose at +10 degrees above the horizon. That way 80 t...
Thats not how that works.
aerodynamics come into play pretty quick
neat oasis
its not "up and down roll"
They said up, down, and roll
normal tundra
Thats not how that works.
I was talking about when coming in to land. Less than 70knots
steep ibex
I was talking about when coming in to land. Less than 70knots
Ehh fair enough
devout raptor
Honestly this is a great idea
obtuse summit
steep ibex
I said Up, down and roll
It’s pitch and roll. You said there’s no pitch, but you’re describing pitch.
And insults don’t help the fact that you’re wrong
Ad Hominem
scenic pagoda
It’s pitch and roll. You said there’s no pitch, but you’re describing pitch.
You cannot control pitch with vcap.
You literally cannot
lmfao
It just moves you up and down vertically when you push and pull on the stick
You have ZERO pitch control
you only have YAW and some minor ROLL control.
Pushing forwards on the stick moves the aircraft DOWN, DOESNT push the NOSE DOWN
steep ibex
Lmao
scenic pagoda
And insults don’t help the fact that you’re wrong
You are in fact fucking wrong lol
steep ibex
🎣
steep ibex
Got him
scenic pagoda
Got him
???
was that supposed to be a rage bait?
If so it was pretty fucking bad
because this is literally just how I act all the time
🗿
scenic pagoda
Personal insults are not appropriate here
Ok
hollow bison
It's not roll, it's still pitch... It's just limited pitch
Doesn't VCAP make it so the stick pitch instead controls elevation?
scenic pagoda
Doesn't VCAP make it so the stick pitch instead controls elevation?
It does
It removed all pitch control
All pitch input is directly translated into elevation
You only get roll input
steep ibex
I was thinking of the F45 where it still controls pitch, forgot it was the AV-42 which I never fly
Bro got pretty fucking mad for no reason tho
Kinda funny
scenic pagoda
I was thinking of the F45 where it still controls pitch, forgot it was the AV-42...
No, it is for the F45A, AV42C doesn’t have VCAP.
steep ibex
Bro I literally control pitch in the 45 with it
scenic pagoda
VCAP changes pitch to elevation when hovering, whilst you gain limited roll, and maximum yaw authority
steep ibex
Apparently I need to go up and fly it again because that’s not how I remember it being a week ago
Idfk
scenic pagoda
if you push the throttle beyond the middle point yes it’ll be pitch
steep ibex
How am I still getting notifications I muted this shit
steep ibex
if you push the throttle beyond the middle point yes it’ll be pitch
Bro
Bro
Brother
hollow bison
Bro I literally control pitch in the 45 with it
We're referring to when you press the VCAP button in the cockpit. Perhaps your thinking of basic engine tilt?
steep ibex
My brother in Christ
scenic pagoda
if you push the throttle beyond the middle point yes it’ll be pitch
But at the middle point and below it’ll be elevation only.
steep ibex
We're referring to when you press the VCAP button in the cockpit. Perhaps your t...
Yeah the VCAP button at 90 tilt
Did you specify the middle point
scenic pagoda
But at the middle point and below it’ll be elevation only.
the middle point of the throttle is SPEEDMATCH for the carrier and LHD
steep ibex
???
scenic pagoda
the middle point of the throttle is SPEEDMATCH for the carrier and LHD
below it you’re in hover
which also uses elevation instead of pitch
steep ibex
I’m over here thinking I’m getting gaslight or I’m just wrong, but you just wanted to argue
scenic pagoda
It tilts the engine to move you forward instead of pitching your nose down
Once I’m home I swear I’ll just make guides to how to land and use vcap so people can stop complaining about how difficult vcap is
😭
steep ibex
Bro edited that message lmao
scenic pagoda
steep ibex
Throttle in the middle
hollow bison
ok stop, this is silly
steep ibex
scenic pagoda
Check when it was edited.
steep ibex
Stop being a jerk for no reason my guy
scenic pagoda
🗿
steep ibex
Like we are both right, just both out of context