F-111 Style Tactical Bombing/Interdiction Aircraft

[fiery osprey]

Would absolutely be a different beast to fly compared to anything

I really should start modding this...

[zealous barn]

and that's good! all of the VTOL aircraft feel the same to fly, and they may have their differences, sure, but still...

little guy hiding in the corner

[craggy bison]

just a quick question
is it closer to 4th gen or 5th gen

cause i think it should be a 4.5 gen i think

(tsd and some basic datalink)

but no stealth coating

so 4th gen style MFD's but with a tsd page

[fiery osprey]

Cockpit mechanics and flight model would be closer to 4th or even 3rd gen, mostly with its instruments, but exterior would be more like 4.5 due to radar absorbent materials and other stealth shaping construction

[craggy bison]

Ah interesting

[fiery osprey]

The main thing is that it shouldn’t be as easy as the EF-24 to use

[craggy bison]

I'd kill for a f22 esque tsd on the mfds

I feel like considering it's a bomber/ground strike having a tsd would be helpful for target acquisition

Esp when dealing with gps with data linked tracks

[fiery osprey]

It’d have an MFD for either side I’m sure, but not like that.

She’s a repurposed old airframe, think older B-1Bs or the images above

[craggy bison]

How about something akin to the b2 spirit cockpit

[fiery osprey]

Nah, too modern

I wanna give the vibe that this is an old airframe brought back into service, or something that exists because nothing has replaced it yet

[craggy bison]

Ah fair enough then

[crude sinew]

B-2 is an old platform

[craggy bison]

Well, it's formal introduction date is 97

That puts it somewhat on par with raptor tech, slightly older if we go on first flights

[crude sinew]

late 1980s technology

[fiery osprey]

We must go older

Really I just don’t want it to feel like an EF-24 with MFDs

[zealous barn]

like I said several weeks ago, no iPad baby cockpit, i want a challenge

[zealous barn]

@fiery osprey another feature I feel like this should have is some sort of navigation system (simplified FMS maybe?) where you can input multiple waypoints along a route and the altitude that they're supposed to be flown at. Could also tie in the terrain following radar if the alt is below like 200 AGL. Would make it much easier to fly and bomb solo

[fiery osprey]

I feel like using the already existing waypoint system and a custom TFR script would be better for that, but not a bad idea

[zealous barn]

I just wish I could actually make my plane follow a route

the current system not only doesn't allow me to set multiple waypoints up so I don't have to go into the GPST page every five seconds, it also has no regard for previous positions and will recalculate a straight line trajectory even if the point where I set the direct was miles away and I end up off course

[fiery osprey]

I’ve used the GPS Waypoint system to operate like that, since as long as you specify altitude of the point it will follow to that point in a straight line.

TFR would definitely help you not hit the ground along your way tho

[zealous barn]

I meant more of something like if you wanted to fly on a specific line from point A to point B. maybe imagine some canyons on either side of the line. If you come in perpendicular to point A, you will overshoot as normal, but then you will end up on a completely different line starting wherever you managed to reorient yourself towards point B

[zealous barn]

@fiery osprey made a diagram showing what I was talking about, felt I wasn't nearly clear enough before

[fiery osprey]

You can do scenario B

You just need to put in multiple GPS points and set to path

It will automatically set the next gps point as your waypoint when flying thru it

[zealous barn]

hold on what????

wait... then all of the waypoints will do that

[fiery osprey]

Yes, but it would follow your requested thing if done correctly

[zealous barn]

all of them will be slightly off-course since all of them behave as individual waypoints and not as connected waypoints

[zealous barn]

this would happen

[fiery osprey]

Well yeah

So put more gps waypoints to accomodate

You can't program it to follow the initial course IIRC

You have to brute-force it

[zealous barn]

hmm

[glacial basin]

Id much prefer a AV-42 rework/buff

[vivid tiger]

The name checks out.

[zealous barn]

@fiery osprey red instrument lights and green CRT displays would go so hard on this thing

[fiery osprey]

Oh, that… that is gorgeous

[zealous barn]

I never thought about restricting the MFDs to one color...

it's a tantalizing thought

especially since the displays we have in VTOL currently are more similar to this than they are to actual military MFDs

[fiery osprey]

I think it is possible too

Definitely gonna experiment when we hit that phase

[zealous barn]

I think F-16 mod uses a different color scheme for its MFDs

so it's definitely possible

restricting it to just shades of green would totally sell the vintage feel

that, and those gorgeous red instrument lights

[fiery osprey]

That and a noise texture to emulate old CRTs

[zealous barn]

that AND make them curved like actual CRTs aswell

one of the reasons I love the CRJ so much... all CRTs babyyy

[zealous barn]

@fiery osprey Also, since the F111 is going to be the first vehicle with a pressurized cockpit instead of an oxygen mask, would it not add just the tiniest bit of time to the preflight to have to turn that on? You could also add some extra workload by making you have to adjust the cabin altitude manually.

it's either that or make the preflight a realistic amount of time, which I guess would be "little timmy proofing"

[craggy bison]

With start up complexity, it's best to take the lowest common denominator

So pretty much make it the same as other aircraft

[zealous barn]

but it's 4 switches to start all of the VTOL aircraft currently, and it takes less than 30 seconds

[tired creek]

I'd just make the engines like the ah-94
make them use more power on start-up so you need to start the engines 1 by 1

pressurizing the cabin seems like a weird thing to implement when there are more interesting switches to flip

[zealous barn]

I guess... what interesting switches are there in Baha's simplified model that aren't just turning on avionics?

[craggy bison]

It's best assumed that the person flying it has very little experience (considering vtols player base)
So keeping things as is should be fine

[zealous barn]

very little experience, but they're flying in something that having that little experience will get you killed in a heartbeat... makes sense

[tired creek]

that goes for all VTOL aircraft

VTOL is just simplified, it has switches where it makes sense
not just for switches to flip switches

[craggy bison]

Many times I've played with people who didn't even see the tutorials and at least knows how to cold start and take off

[zealous barn]

still, I feel like there should be a less baby-fied startup procedure for an aircraft that is quite literally going to be decades behind the others in development

[tired creek]

IIRC it's a modernized old aircraft

but again, having switches just to have switches is IMO bad

[zealous barn]

here's a cockpit mockup I made for Atlantis. Not simple

[tired creek]

taking your cabin pressurization for example

what would the gameplay behind that be?
why do I need to flip that switch?

[zealous barn]

not switches just to have switches, stuff like fuel pumps, hydraulics, stuff that would be manual on a jet which is supposed to have a late 70s/early 80s cockpit

at least in this "modernized" version

[craggy bison]

I simply don't agree, complexity for the sake of having complexity is not a good idea

[fiery osprey]

Cabin pressure would be interesting for hypoxia but yeah, probably too complex

Most of the complexity is gonna be from the weapons regardless

[zealous barn]

I still want a more than 4 second flow when I start my aircraft

[fiery osprey]

Currently researching on how to implement INS guidance for fun

[zealous barn]

oh that'll be fun to see low-hour players try and figure out

[tired creek]

we can do that easily as I said above

I just watched the dcs f-15e start-up, and the engine section took like 5 seconds with fuel pumps and generators
so it doesn't even add that much time

[tired creek]

IMO that's a really bad take

making it complex to see new guys struggle
it should be intuitive if you're gonna make it more complex

[zealous barn]

most cockpits are

[tired creek]

not in VTOL

it's not my mod so you can do what you want, but you'd probably get more people to enjoy it if it was somewhat easy to understand

[zealous barn]

checklist

[fiery osprey]

Startup probably won’t be too difficult, but flying it will be another thing. Especially since I’m not even sure if the F-111 even had a flight computer outside of TFR

Oh and it also had mechanical locks for wing fold, which shocked me

[zealous barn]

it does have "digital flight controls"

whatever that means

[fiery osprey]

As in the cockpit lever physically locks in place to prevent it from swinging

[tired creek]

it's certainly not FBW

if you pull too hard you break the aircraft

[zealous barn]

just adds to the difficulty

bring it on

[fiery osprey]

Especially with external weapons, good luck not ripping your wings

[tired creek]

again IMO a bad choice, but go ahead

[fiery osprey]

“Overspeed? What’s that? Where did my wings go?”

[fiery osprey]

Considering the real thing was speed locked to Mach .56 when the wings had non-rotating pylons, I’d say that’s an appropriate sacrifice

Not to mention how HEAVY that would be

[zealous barn]

It's not like this is going out to everyone, it's going to the people that actually want a challenge in flying and operating their aircraft

[tired creek]

is there gonna be any sort if indication to the pilot?

or will it just self combust

[fiery osprey]

Definitely will have an overspeed indicator for sure

[zealous barn]

loud beeping noise

[tired creek]

again, go ahead, but you'll really limit your audience

[fiery osprey]

I know someone is adding it to their structurally questionable airplane mod anyways, so I know it’s possible

Nah don’t say that

It won’t be easy to fly but anyone could fly it with enough practice

It’d just operate different

No crazy maneuvers, but good for A to B

And long-range engagements, or even WVR in inclement weather

Tho nighttime operations would be rougher with it

[zealous barn]

What I meant was it'll actually prove a challenge to fly compared to other aircraft (maybe even the A-10), and that will lend itself to generally being flown by better pilots

[fiery osprey]

The A-10 would be the best idea on how it would fly honestly, but faster and given more weapons.

And maybe nukes?

[zealous barn]

definitely nukes.

you'd have to get your ass out of there quick tho

[fiery osprey]

So about that… look up the AGM-69 SRAM

Part of why I’m trying to figure out INS, on top of other fun things

[zealous barn]

blast radius of 160 km... You do realize the largest VTOL map is 196x196km?

the blast would encompass an entire VTOL map and then some

wait

no

1.06 km

i'm stupid

[fiery osprey]

Yeah nah it ain’t that powerful

[zealous barn]

tsar bomba for VTOL when

[zealous barn]

still a good 3.53km^2 of destruction

[zealous barn]

hehe, talk about switches just to add switches, imagine a toggleable INS somewhere in the cockpit that would replace the NAVMAP and you'd have to set it up and wait the 8-15mins for it to align

need me this bad boy

and for those of you who would say this is too complicated, at least it's not the one on the original thing

[tired creek]

good luck trying to reach the correct switch with VR controls

[zealous barn]

yup, that's why we ain't using that one

anyways it's 5:41 in the morning, I'ma go to bed

[crude sinew]

waiting for INS allignment isn't fun

however doing airborne INS realignment with the ground radar, when GPS isn't available could be interesting

[zealous barn]

that's kinda what I meant by the pressurization controls, if you make them manual you can have the airframe explode if your cabin to outside air pressure difference is too high, also hypoxia

[tired creek]

that's not gonna happen, you'd never have a reason to go above 1 bar, which isn't that much

[zealous barn]

0ft cabin alt at 50,000 feet is gonna cause problems...

[crude sinew]

maybe i’m wrong but pressurising sounds like you just do one more switch

[red garnet]

Can’t wait to asphyxiate because I forgot to flick the air switch before going above 40k ft

-150 elo

[crude sinew]

imagine going above 1000ft in the F-111 anyways

[fiery osprey]

Real

[red garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/david-hasselhoff-true-truth-nuke-spongebob-movie-gif-10152461791604628524

[fiery osprey]

NO PVP >:(

[red garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-low-rank-low-rank-rankism-shut-up-i-have-a-higher-rank-than-you-shut-up-gif-21516126

[crude sinew]

lmfao

IR seeker cooling switch, that ought to keep the PvPers away (they don’t touch any cockpit buttons)

[red garnet]

Only switch in the cockpit I care about is the g limiter

[zealous barn]

fuel transfer switches, that oughtta keep PvPers away (they don't know what "center of mass" means)

[red garnet]

Oh and the master arm

Sometimes the various startup switches bc I gotta shut it down to rearm

[zealous barn]

"various startup switches" it's 4 switches vro 🥀

[red garnet]

Couldn’t tell you what they are

[zealous barn]

Battery, APU, left & right engine 💔🔨

[red garnet]

Never heard of them

Why do I need to know how to start the plane when the mission already has it started

[crude sinew]

average KC-46 pilot thinking

[zealous barn]

KC-49 as a playable aircraft when

(lol)

[crude sinew]

need to make the carrier KC-49 capable

[zealous barn]

yes, make the carrier able to aerial refuel 🗣️

[crude sinew]

even better yeah

[zealous barn]

ngl I would pay good money to see good mods get made for VTOL, especially this and maybe some larger aircraft like the 49

[crude sinew]

and some people would love to develop them for a living

[zealous barn]

If there was some team of developers making truly high fidelity planes for VTOL, coded and modeled from scratch, I would happily pay whatever price they set

we should get Just Flight in on this shit lol

[fiery osprey]

They exist, but they do it for free lol

Namely C, of course

But a few others are working on some pretty high-quality mods that I’ve seen in the works

[latent stump]

127 👍 vs 127 👎

Break the tie

[latent stump]

Same

[tired creek]

hehe

[latent stump]

I have offered to bank roll people in games from ArmA 3 to SS13 to VTOL VR.

I commission skin and sprite artists constantly. It's modelers I can never seem to find.

It's not a matter of funding, it's a matter of finding them to begin with.

[latent stump]

no not like that

https://tenor.com/view/listen-here-you-little-meme-you-little-shit-damn-you-damn-it-chicken-kiev-gif-25718782

[fiery osprey]

I’m actually learning to model! Starting with custom weapons and working up from there

[crude sinew]

129 dislikes to get rid of

[zealous barn]

@fiery osprey https://youtu.be/FfmxA_NHpgQ?t=78 take a look at around the 1:18 mark

do you see what I see?? (:<

[fiery osprey]

Not rly, what do you see?

[zealous barn]

look at the HUD

[fiery osprey]

I see it now

So it’s possible

[zealous barn]

and judging by the fact that a lot of mod planes have custom HUDs, relatively easy to do

[craggy bison]

We beat the haters!

Also btw, ik I'm kinda lazy but how many bombs could it carry?

Cause 26 is abt 30ish iirc

[lost compass]

33, all GPS guided

[craggy bison]

That all sdbs or a mix of full size and sdbs?

[lost compass]

mix

[craggy bison]

Ah cool

[lost compass]

since you cannot get SDBs on every pylon

iirc there’s 4 pylons that allow 39s, rest are triple racks of 38s

Which means 16 GBU39s
17 GBU38s?

Wait no hold on a minute it’d be 34 GPS guided bombs

18 GBU38s

I think?

Unless my math is all goofed

[craggy bison]

I'll have to check manually

[fiery osprey]

50-60 bombs total for Mk. 82 series bombs

Though I see no reason why GBU-38s should be any different, as they’re the same size as Mk. 82s typically

[craggy bison]

bomb ripple lmao

[fiery osprey]

People will be getting the bomber they want

[craggy bison]

and i know this has probs been mentioned
but the slam-er you suggested, is it an exclusive weapon?

[fiery osprey]

It most likely would be, unless it were carried over to the F/A-26

[stray cedar]

Yup the GBU-38 and 12 are literally just a MK-82 with a guidance package

[zealous barn]

@craggy bison ^

[red garnet]

no eyeball on helmet liveries despite 754:2 like/dislike ratio 😔

[red garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-gif-4408076016540863651

[fiery osprey]

(I’m modding this)

[zealous barn]

same picture

[lost compass]

Though the GBU12 is significantly longer due to its guidance package

[fiery osprey]

Yeah, I could only squeeze 4 GBU-12s into the belly bay because of that

[zealous barn]

I assume you can fit more of the less "sophisticated" bombs in? Or would there just be empty space

[fiery osprey]

Empty space unfortunately

[zealous barn]

damn

[zealous barn]

how many hydras can you put on it (:<

[fiery osprey]

56 a pylon on the externals

[zealous barn]

so 448?

[fiery osprey]

Yes

[zealous barn]

although it would be 224 with the wings unlocked

[fiery osprey]

You’d sacrifice speed for that (wing sweep locked)

Yeah and IIRC the weapons would also lock the wing sweep somewhat due to how big the 56-pylons are

[vernal hornet]

do you get back the wingsweep if you jettison these pylons that lock the wing sweep?

[fiery osprey]

I believe it would be possible yeah

[vernal hornet]

nice!

[fiery osprey]

Though I’m not sure. It might be locked in place like the F-16’s

[zealous barn]

if the F111's wing sweep had a mechanical lock, does that mean you would have to install a separate lock and sweep lever detent if you had the hydras?

[fiery osprey]

https://youtu.be/F0TVi_sSaz8

Check this video out for the cockpit of the F-111

[zealous barn]

I see. So it had switches that would restrict the wing sweep?

[fiery osprey]

You can see the wing sweep mechanism with physical switches to essentially to force the locked positions from the cockpit

Yep!

This was really fascinating to learn when I researched

[zealous barn]

ooo another thing to add difficulty, make the weapons destroy themselves if you forget that switch

or fixed stores

[fiery osprey]

Pylon ripping off the wingtip

[deft plume]

Side by side seater bomber aircraft sounds fun af with a friend haha

[zealous barn]

I know right? Lots of opportunity for bullshittery to happen, and the immersion would be insane

[craggy bison]

wait, is it yoke style or hotas style?

[zealous barn]

...center stick? like the real thing?

[craggy bison]

centre stick is not my thing

i blame my chair

[zealous barn]

I assume there will be a sidestick option

it would block some stuff on the pedestal tho

[craggy bison]

Accessibility is important imo

[zealous barn]

I'm sure the sidestick would be similar to the 94's, off to the side of that panel

[fiery osprey]

Same

I’d make it partly sidestick dw

[zealous barn]

@fiery osprey this little joystick for the TSD and TV ordinance would be kinda cool... might be a little weird with a sidestick there tho

(also you would have to do weird code shit with it, so idk now)

[fiery osprey]

F-16-like force feedback stick

Also not like the AH-94 doesn’t have two sets of sticks

[zealous barn]

it does, but they're not separate 😅

oh wait

you meant the throttle and collective 😅

[lost compass]

One is the TEDAC the other is the cyclic

There is a major difference here

[fiery osprey]

I was meaning the implementation of two sticks @lost compass

[lost compass]

Ah, yeah that makes sense, that’s already possible

[crude sinew]

Look what i found

Would never land on a carrier, but it’s pretty cool

[zealous barn]

what in the actual hell is that

[crude sinew]

i think it looks sick

[zealous barn]

thinner, faster B2?

I assume?

[crude sinew]

mini B-2

hold up tho, give it swing wings so it can actually land, and you’ve cooked hard

or like extendable wings

[zealous barn]

...

[lost compass]

B-70 wings.

[zealous barn]

@crude sinew you just described this post "give it swing wings so it can land on a carrier" lol

now it may not be as sleek or as stealthy but it sure is similar

[lost compass]

Not.. really..

one wants 60 500lb bombs on the wings the other wants them inside the plane

The major difference is also one is a tailless aircraft

Without a vertical stabilizer

[zealous barn]

what I meant is they're similar in the fact that they're both low altitude, (relatively) high speed penetrators that just happen to both be (somewhat) geared towards stealth (with the exception of the external ordinance on the 111)

[crude sinew]

LAP/A-12 mix might be cooler than a side by side EF-24

[zealous barn]

probably

honestly I'm here for the "difficult to pilot" part

[lost compass]

The FBW:

[zealous barn]

(not to say carped bombing civilians wouldn't be fun)

[lost compass]

If you want difficult to fly, fly an F117 without FA on

[lost compass]

Civilians?

[zealous barn]

kind of a shallow thought there, I meant difficult in all aspects (e.g. only a rudimentary HUD, steam gauge instruments, like 2 MFDs total, etc, etc) along with its flight characteristics, that's why I said "difficult to pilot" and not "difficult to fly"

[lost compass]

I mean..

You still get the same info, just from different places now

Like the viggen and tomcat in dcs, you get most of the info you need from the instruments.. they’re not that difficult to pilot

Correction: in the viggen you get 97% of your info from instruments

If you want difficult to pilot; remove the velocity vector

[zealous barn]

That's... what I said

[lost compass]

That’s not

what you said

[zealous barn]

"only a rudimentary hud"

[lost compass]

The viggen has a velocity vector and has basically nothing on its HUD.

there is a reticle and a rudimentary launch zone along with a velocity vector

Nothing else

[crude sinew]

this post kinda became a low tech aircraft, but that doesn't make sense if it's also stealthy and stuff

[lost compass]

^

Difficult to pilot is more of No flight assists

[crude sinew]

give us an F-4 for the real low tech DLC

[lost compass]

no.

[crude sinew]

F-24A ?

[lost compass]

Rather than replacing mfds with steam gauges

[lost compass]

this doesn’t make a plane difficult to pilot

it doesn’t change how it handles or how it behaves

It only changes where you get your aircraft’s information from

[zealous barn]

I mean... most of the early stealth concepts were from the 70s... it's not like they had very advanced cockpits then

[lost compass]

And it makes zero sense to me

That we’d have

A super low tech aircraft

In a futuristic aircraft game

[lost compass]

They had advanced enough to have a flight assist that countered the glaring issues of the F117.

Just my opinion on it

[zealous barn]

It's not going to be super low tech. One MFD for the pilot, two MFDs for the WSO. The current 4th gen aircraft are around that mark, and they use "steam" gauges for engines and secondaries. The HUD is going to be low tech, yes, but it's supplemented by a whole host of targeting systems, computers, number displays, all that jazz

this aircraft's whole schtick was going to be that it was brought back from the scrapyard since they needed a bomber...

[lost compass]

They

Didn’t need a bomber

That’s the issue

???

Modern bombing is about precision

[zealous barn]

I meant "BDynamics Aerospace Co." or some shit, not "We the People"

[lost compass]

modern bombers are only really kept in service for cruise missiles and mass use of gliding precision ordnance

[lost compass]

that’s what I fucking meant.

[lost compass]

Please read this

There’s a reason the navy doesn’t have bombers anymore

They have multiroles because they are just better in every way

I will say again that carrying more bombs is a shitty excuse for gameplay mechanics

[zealous barn]

"mass use of gliding precision ordinance" that's what this thing is supposed to be able to do

[lost compass]

then why is it only spoken of carrying mk82s and 83s

???

And when in gods name do you even need 33+ bombs in one sortie

I’ve never seen it happen in game

Ever.

[zealous barn]

^

"only spoken of carrying mk82s and 83s"

my ass.

[lost compass]

Oh and mk84s

And agm 65s

Happy?

[fiery osprey]

Why ping :C

I'm modeling :CCC

[zealous barn]

oop

[lost compass]

I dont see mention of SDBs which are a better option

[lost compass]

Keep going king

[zealous barn]

don't forget AGM-8s and 15s

and TV bombs, one of the major features

[lost compass]

But why is there such a large focus on showing what it looks like with 500lb unguided bombs

[zealous barn]

*GBU

[lost compass]

I’d prefer seeing it loaded with high precision ordnance like GBU53s

or GBU39s

Or 38s

JDAMs etc

[zealous barn]

it's an example photo meant to show off the thing's carrying capacity 🤦‍♂️

[lost compass]

Yes

carrying capacity of dumb bombs

where's the example of carrying capacity of precision ordnance?

I don't think people will be using dumb bombs too much, because most don't

most use guided bombs in this game

[zealous barn]

GBU-38s are exactly 5.6 inches longer than Mk.82s. You can fit the exact same number on there.

[lost compass]

what about GBU12s?

GBU24s?

how about GBU32s?

31s?

what about the GBU28, can it carry those?

If I wanted a new ef24 that has a focus on bombs instead of jamming, i'd want a gbu28

from howitzer barrel to laser guided bomb

where can I see references of this carrying its AGMs too?

I'd like to see its capacity of those

what about the AGM161?

or AGM89?

how many HARMs can it carry?

does it use 88 shorts or long?

what about fuel economy?

how many miles to the gallon does it do on the interstate?

what tyres does it use? are they goodyear?

or pirelli?

maybe michelin?

[zealous barn]

I see. You've reverted

[lost compass]

No I'm just taking the piss out of you now I couldn't help it with the questions I was asking

[zealous barn]

How about we sit for a few minutes instead of you spamming this channel?

[lost compass]

but I do want to see a mod like this

I'd enjoy it if anything

however

if a new aircraft is to be added to the game; it should have a focus on modern combat, not old-school combat if you ask me

[zealous barn]

It will have all the capabilities of a modern strike jet, just with older hardware

[lost compass]

but there's only mention of old munitions, I want specifics of modern munitions on it

I wouldn't want to use dated weapons it

[zealous barn]

find me the dimensions on all of those weapons then

[lost compass]

so you're the one in charge of how the armament is loaded?

I thought that was atlantis

[zealous barn]

Atlantis is basing his aircraft off of the real life F-111's capabilities

I am capable of doing research

[lost compass]

AGM88E: 417cm
GBU39: ~180cm each *fairly sure the GBU53 and GBU39 use the same rack.
AGM158: 426cm
GBU24: 439cm
GBU28: 580cm
GBU31: 387cm
GBU32: 303cm
GBU12: 327cm

*used the 158 as its the closest irl equivalent to the 161

also I wonder; will it use capsule or ejectionseats?

it'd be cool to have the capsule system

[zealous barn]

capsule

hmmm, the BRU-61/A was never fitted to the F111... I'll make do

Full load of each
Mk.82 - 50-60
GBU-38 - 50-60
GBU-12 - 28
GBU-39 - 28 racks, or 112 bombs
AGM88E - 24
AGM-158 - 24 (16 technically)
GBU-24 - 24 (17 technically)
GBU-28 - 24 (7 technically)
GBU-31 - 24 (18 technically)
GBU-32 - 28
GBU-12 - 28
Keep in mind that some of these are just guesstimates based on the internal capacity of Atlantis's internal bay, and of the 2-row bomb system

for some of those 24-28 loads, I believe you could fit smaller ordinance behind them if you're lucky

@lost compass

[lost compass]

112 bombs of gbu39 and gbu53

fucking hell that's WILD

I am in love.

[zealous barn]

I think a few of these (GBU-28, I'm looking at you) would snap the wings with the weight lol

We'll leave that to the pilot to find out for himself lol

ok yeah you could only fit 7 GBU-28s on, and that's with like nothing else lol

[lost compass]

yes

that's why I want them.

[zealous barn]

also I think a few of these wouldn't fit using the 3-banger config, so that's more reduction :/

[lost compass]

yuh

it's why I made the questions

I want to have realistic expectations for this, so I know if it'd even be fun for someone like me to fly

[zealous barn]

Okay, the Mk.82 has a diameter of 18 inches

lemme see if I can find the max diameter on the bomb racks the 111 used

so the BRU-3A/A used on the 111 could do a max diameter of 28 inches

Mk.82 - 56 (48 on wings, 8 in int. bay)
GBU-38 - 56 (48 on wings, 8 in int. bay)
GBU-12 - 52 (48 on wings, 4 in int. bay)
GBU-39 - 10 racks, or 48 bombs (8 on wings, 2 in int. bay)
AGM88E - 10 (8 on wings, 2 in int. bay)
AGM-158 - 10 (8 on wings, 2 in int. bay)
GBU-24 - 10 (8 on wings, 2 in int. bay)
GBU-28 - 9 (7 on wings, 2 in int. bay)
GBU-31 - 10 (8 on wings, 2 in int. bay)
GBU-32 - 10 (8 on wings, 2 in int. bay)
@lost compass

updated list

[lost compass]

Way more reasonable list

[zealous barn]

the F-111 could either mount bombs directly or to the BRU-3A/A (6 bomb capacity), so the smaller bombs have crazy loadouts but you can also fit a pretty damn large amount of the bigger stuff on

and this is like, twice what any other VTOL VR plane can do in terms of large munitions

@fiery osprey sorry for the ping but does that look at all right?

[fiery osprey]

Double the internal but yes

But either or that looks correct

[zealous barn]

I thought you could just barely fit 4 GBU-12s in the internal bay?

or are there two bays?

[zealous barn]

So what I have is correct now?

[fiery osprey]

Correct, only 4 gbu-12s

But it could fit 8 GBU-38s

[zealous barn]

what about the other weapons?

[fiery osprey]

AGM-130/GBU-8/GBU-15 all on external pylons

Pretty sure I already outlined that in my pylon post

...I should really just make a document for the loadouts

[zealous barn]

yeah lol

oh btw @lost compass, the Air Force used Firestone tyres and the Navy used Goodrich tyres for the 111's gear

[lost compass]

YEAH BABY

god its so long since I’ve seen firestone dude

[zealous barn]

and it got around 0.32 miles per gallon

[lost compass]

Amazing fuel economy

what colours can I get it in?

Does it come in baby blue?

[zealous barn]

uhhh, we've got it in white, green camo, or blueish-gray

[lost compass]

Why do you have a firestone tyre add

[zealous barn]

I honestly don't know

I like how I'm doing all this research on the F111 when I know all I'm gonna use is for it touch and goes, formation, and air refueling

lmao

[fiery osprey]

In the meantime, probably wait for a post to come up in the modding server when this gets closer to completion (I model the damn plane)

[zealous barn]

yeah... maybe we can finally let this post die 🤣

[fiery osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-mandalorian-din-djarin-let-me-have-a-warriors-death-warrior-gif-15916887

[zealous barn]

almost 3,500 messages and here we are...

(someone's gonna start an argument and it's gonna shoot up by 400)

[lost compass]

Want me to do it?

[fiery osprey]

Just because you started the most fights doesn’t mean I want it to happen again

[lost compass]

no no you can pay me 0 dollars and a picture of a cat to make up some nonsensical bullshit that makes zero sense and I will try to gaslight people into thinking its real just for more attention to the post

[zealous barn]

go attack the "slow missile meta" post lmao

[lost compass]

Okay no I can’t do that because I do pvp and I hate the slow missile meta

lmfao

anything else

sure

[zealous barn]

okokok, the AGM-27 one

[fiery osprey]

Nooooo Ace is a buddy

[zealous barn]

and now

....we wait

[lost compass]

orange……

[zealous barn]

orang...

[hollow sparrow]

I couldn't agree more. Honestly I wish Baha would introduce a CDLC program where competent modding devs could apply to get access to the game's code or an advanced API and can sell the CDLC on steam in return for Baha getting a cut of the profit - just to get these people to sod off.

I would love a Modern F-4. Gimme gimme gimme.

[fiery osprey]

That’s Joe’s thing lol

[foggy dirge]

why is a thread from 2024 still open 😭

[zealous barn]

lots and lots of arguments

[foggy dirge]

why isn't it closed, i'm sure in one year all that could be said about this topic has probably been said in the span of one year and there's not much to gain from keeping this open

[zealous barn]

I don't know

I mean, Atlantis is going to be making an F-111 mod based on this post, so ig he might want to give updates on its' progress

[fiery osprey]

Honestly probably should lock up here, gonna need to move to the modding server anyways. Sometime.

You can type whatever you were gonna @sterile mirage

[sterile mirage]

i was gonna say its best to move it to the modding server where all the other plane making goes on

[fiery osprey]

It’s gonna be a WHILE before I do mods anyways, especially if I wanna do this on an F-16 level of fully fledged model

Gonna leave this up and lock the thread in a week. It’s time we gave this post a rest

[fiery osprey]

(Closing soon, poll active) F-111 Style Tactical Bombing/Interdiction Aircraftonoi

(Closing soon, poll active) F-111 Style Tactical Bombing/Interdiction Aircraft

[daring plank]

the likes surpassed the dislikes

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-good-triumph-evil-gif-6627141887522619123

[deft plume]

It dont even make sense how people were so against the idea like what

[zealous barn]

The argument was that it didn't add enough. Which, yes, is a valid argument, but the differences in an aircraft's handling, performance, equipment, the amount of weapons you can put on it, etc, all add to an aircraft's uniqueness (plus sbs seating, which already is super fun in the little bird)

[deft plume]

Thats fair
Ive seen people shoot down similar suggestions just because of the fact its a side by side seater aircraft
complaints like i dont want my copilot to be able to mess me up which is just like then dont fly with someone you dont trust?

[zealous barn]

"I don't want my copilot to be able to mess me up" lmao, this applies to all of the multicrew aircraft anyway

[deft plume]

Ive had people lean forward and mess with my controls on the T-55 and AH-94 yet you dont see me complaining about it

[zealous barn]

that's why I fly in the instructor seat in the 55. Not only can I lock my frontseater's controls, they can't reach me as well

[fiery osprey]

When this initially released over a year ago, it was very much a different-spec’d EF-24. But after a good think, I fleshed the idea out more, and people ended up liking it. At least it’s a good idea in my mind lol.

[zealous barn]

3500...

[fiery osprey]

We’ve reached a milestone, now shush!!!

[fiery osprey]

And vote!!!

[deft plume]

bold of you to assume the front seat cant reach over either
With enough will (and space) any seat can do anything 💀

[deft plume]

Honestly i just want it cause bomber that has side by side seating
I would love to do that with a friend

But to me even if it did the same roles as other jets more variety is always good
Were in a time where basically every jet is multirole so everything can do anything

[zealous barn]

exactly, that's the reason why you'll only see strike aircraft, bombers, etc, as mods :/

[deft plume]

Yeah
Kinda unfortunate tbh cause i do want more options in general
Although it also doesnt help the main jet you use is outdated as hell and baha has no plans of updating it either so that also is kinda why i want options

[zealous barn]

yeah unfortunately there aren't many mod creators, it's a miracle we've gotten all of these new mods in such a short period of time... Also unfortunate that you have to use the modloader, and like no one plays modded multiplayer...

[hollow sparrow]

It's also why I quite literally block people from joining in my aircraft.

[flint stump]

fyi, locking it disables likes and dislikes, and only a mod can unlock it. Learned the hard way with my cold war post lol

[fiery osprey]

It’s got 17 hours left, I’ll decide on what to do with the post then

[untold carbon]

What poll?

[fiery osprey]

Up here

[zealous barn]

4 mins

[untold carbon]

Done

[fiery osprey]

Ladies and gentlemen, it’s officially time (cue the Pixy gif).

It’s been a journey. A hell of one too. Over three thousand messages of support, debate, ideas, and discussions. I thank you all for everything, from helping evolving this aircraft from an F-24 bomber variant to a unique idea of an aircraft. But it’s time to put the idea to rest… for now

I’ll be taking this post and leaving it up, but it will be deciding how to properly close or lock it (whichever would still let people vote). But I’ll be learning to mod with the current tools available. Don’t expect anything for a few (if not several) months, as I want this to be a quality mod. As for updates, as the people (you lovelies) have voted, model comes first. Once that is ready and put into the game, I’ll plan on beginning to work on a closed beta and development post in the modding server when the time is right. This will be an extensive mod. I’ve already decided on weapons, and goodness GRACIOUS have I stepped into something massive. Custom weapons will be abundant in this thing, and no two weapons will operate exactly the same.

Thank you all, for your time, your attention, your opinions, and your ideas. You truly have made this request better. 💙 ✈️

Sincerely,
Atlantis, the idiot who’s gonna mod this piece o’ junk

[formal pawn]

last :3

[sterile mirage]

last

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last

[sterile mirage]

@fiery osprey CLOSE IT

[sterile mirage]

you have to lock it

[high island]

last

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last

[sterile mirage]

last

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[high island]

last

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[sterile mirage]

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:3

[sterile mirage]

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:3

[sterile mirage]

😒

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:3

[formal pawn]

@fiery osprey close this dawg please

[sterile mirage]

he's offline

[formal pawn]

:3

[sterile mirage]

we're cooked

[formal pawn]

im not doing this for hours bro

[sterile mirage]

:smirk;

[formal pawn]

:3

[sterile mirage]

😏

can we ask a mod to lock it?

[formal pawn]

idk

as long as im last

[sterile mirage]

fuck

he said he's still deciding what to do with it

that's bullshit

close it

(lock it AND close it

[formal pawn]

fr

[sterile mirage]

(last)

[red garnet]

😏

[fiery osprey]

F-111 Style Tactical Bombing/Interdiction Aircraft