Pilotable OPFOR Aircraft

[willow herald]

I don't know if baha has any high enough quality models of the OPFOR aircraft but I would imagine you could use the framework for the F/A-26B on the ASF-30 and then the F-45 for the ASF-33/58. If this was possible I would imagine you could also use the AV-42C framework for the GAV-25.
I pitched this idea to a lobby I was in a while ago and someone said it would be a good idea to make them similar to a Flaming Cliffs 3 DLC pack where the planes aren't super high quality (maybe something similar to the fidelity of the F/A-26B) but you get access to multiple aircraft with one DLC.

[paper swift]

Baha seems to prefer quality over quantity

[weak anvil]

He also seems to prefer more Western derived aircraft for the officially playable ones.

[paper swift]

Also, keep in mind the part about playable aircraft from #faq

[willow herald]

which part exactly?

[paper swift]

The goal is to bring in at least a few completely new gameplay mechanics with each vehicle.

[willow herald]

I mean the OPFOR in vtol is heavily reliant on drones/automated systems so it could give us an opportunity to overhaul AI interactions.

having new aircraft would also give players some new stuff to learn while also making pvp more interesting.

[potent shard]

Playable opfor aircraft would realistically only be added if Baha has added everything he possibly could in terms of mechanics and wants to just give the players one last thing before he moves on to another project

[willow herald]

did he explicitly say that somewhere??

[potent shard]

No, but it's an assumption based on the fact that he's shown interest in only making western-style airframes playable

[willow herald]

yeah but we've also only gotten a few playable western aircraft, and the first 2 were just to get something to fly to begin with

[hard stirrup]

also pretty sure all opfor aircraft are canonically drones

[willow herald]

no they have cockpits with glass

i don't think so

[hard stirrup]

thats what i said too when i was told that

but someone said or showed me somethign to convince me don't remember what

[willow herald]

well if you do then DM me and post it in here plz

[potent shard]

AV-42C | Warthog x Harrier x Osprey
F/A-26B | Eagle x Hornet
F-45A | just an F-35
AH-94 | Comanche x Apache
T-55 | just an FA-50
EF-24G | Tomcat x Growler

They're all based off of western/NATO aircraft in one way or another

[supple axle]

ehh, the "glass" is opaqe and there's no ejection seat

[willow herald]

I already know that, I never said they weren't based off of western aircraft, just that we've only gotten a limited number of total aircraft.

[supple axle]

So if it is manned, somehow they can see through the opaque glass and don't care about survivability

[willow herald]

couldn't that opaqueness could just be because baha knew we wouldn't need to look into the cockpit since its ai?

[potent shard]

In defense of the opaque glass, the F-22 (and in-game F-45) has the orange tint that makes it harder to see into, but the lack of ejection seats is pretty telling that it's probably just a drone

[supple axle]

I mean yeah it is ofc, the ai 26b is opaqe as well, but im making a lore-argument for it being a drone

[willow herald]

nah they just dont have ejection seats because of budget cuts

"just fucking die" -corporate

[supple axle]

The ai 26b has an ejection seat

[willow herald]

thats a really good point but i genuinely cant see why there would be any glass if the aircraft were drones. somehow baha has managed to put aircraft in a state of quantum superposition.

[potent shard]

Unless Baha says otherwise, just assume that opfor aircraft are drones and won't be playable

I'd love to fly the ASF-58 too, but it probably won't happen

[willow herald]

im not gonna make an opinion based off of conflicting data, ill just believe that it could be either one until baha confirms one.

[calm shoal]

the glass for blufor fighters are also opaque

[supple axle]

yes

[calm shoal]

.

Too easy

read like a book

[potent shard]

The blufor aircraft also have ejection seats

Opfor aircraft don't

[calm shoal]

that's because opfor doctrine has a ride or die mentality

[willow herald]

"just fucking die" -corporate

[sharp wind]

ever heard about the 227? last i heard it still active with the opfor ||dont ban me plz||

[brisk fossil]

He once said: there won't really be a point of adding a new vehicle that can only do the same things as the other existing ones.

[willow herald]

can you get me the exact quote because i cant find that anywhere

[brisk fossil]

This sentence was in the old FAQ. It was later edited.

[willow herald]

well then i dont see how that applies. if it is still his opinion then why would he remove it from the FAQ?

[brisk fossil]

The full text at that time was:

I don't have a timeline set in stone, but I am planning to release additional vehicles as DLC for a low price (about $10 as well). The next one in the pipeline is an attack helicopter. New vehicles will continue to be either entirely fictional and/or a fictional combination of real existing or conceptualized aircraft. (So no, I won't be straight up adding THE A-10. Sorry.) The goal is to bring in at least a few completely new gameplay mechanics with each vehicle. There won't really be a point of adding a new vehicle that can only do the same things as the other existing ones.

[willow herald]

thanks but we dont know if thats still his opinion so i think i'll mark this post down as a "it depends what baha wants" post

how did you find that tho if it was edited, out of curiosity?

[brisk fossil]

Many people have quoted that sentence whenever someone makes a similar request.

[willow herald]

ahh ok

im a bit dumb sometimes lol

[plush grotto]

If OpFor aircraft were made, with different weapons loadouts, displays, menus, inputs, and capabilities, that could bring new gameplay.

For example, an aircraft using a phased array radar that could maintain multiple stt locks using high speed high maneuverability fox-1s would be interesting.

[civic crest]

Yeah, I’m pretty sure baha has the missiles modeled and named in game (for asf-30 and asf-58 etc), he would just need to do a bit (which is actually a lot)

But that, meaning he would have to make cockpits, code, and IF to be added, model in TVC for the asf-58

[brisk fossil]

In fact, OPFOR Aircraft in the game have even less capabilities.

ASF stands for Air Superiority Fighter. They are not equipped with a targeting pod so they cannot use AGMs.
The ASF-33 and ASF-58 cannot even be equipped with unguided bombs to attack any ground targets.
And the ASF-58 stealth fighter has no carrier capability.

GAV stands for Ground Attack Vehicle. It is a tilt-engine VTOL like the AV-42C, with no troop transport or carrier capabilities, and no turret guns.

They don't even have a fuel port for aerial refueling, nor can they dump fuel.

As stated in the #faq message , the goal is for each new vehicle to bring some new gameplay mechanics, not for them to have even fewer features.

[civic crest]

If theoretically added, such would have to be implemented

[civic crest]

Thrust vectoring, a new stealth aircraft (judging off the ASF-58 airframe), IRST, and DIRCM systems

Although that’s only for the ASF-58

This is, however, mostly based off real life mechanics the SU-57 has, and the ASF-58, being a modified SU-57 model, should theoretically have such

If it didn’t, then it would be a port not a new aircraft

DIRCM, TVC, and IRST would be game changers.

DIRCM would pretty much make the 58 immune to non advanced IR missiles (like the 9e or 9)

TVC would give the 58 a leading edge in dogfights and make it super-maneuverable

ISRT would allow the 58 to detect targets without giving off an RWR ping.

In addition, since it’s an OPFOR aircraft with a felon airframe, we can assume it’s a felon, the missiles it would receive would be new to the game in terms of mechanics

Some examples:

R27ET - Long Range IR missile (Used with IRST)

R-37M or R-37 (Very Far Range ARH missile - Mach 6 top speed)

So in other words we could get a IR missile jammer, supermanuverability, new long range missiles outclassing current ones (with new mechanics, and a IRST

All on the supposed ASF-58

[vital moon]

This just sounds like an f-45 with long range fox-s's😅

Also it being "immune" to even normal aim-9 would be bad IMO

[civic crest]

to be fair, it’s IR resistance is already non existent.

The F-45 doesn’t have 3d or 2d thrust vectoring either, nor the cool IRST

[vital moon]

It's not traditional TVC but it's bleed air system also gives stupid amount of control at low airspeeds

And it has the EOTS for a makeshift IRST

[civic crest]

Yes but this thrust vectoring, it’s oh boi

Besides, why would I want makeshift options when I can get a full badass option?

If a mod author can do TVC and missiles well I’m sure baha can if it’s ever considered

[wintry ravine]

IRST should be a pod

[civic crest]

I’m not sure if the 58/su-57 has IRST built in

Ah it does

[wintry ravine]

it should be a pod for curent planes, not the cornerstone of a new OP aircraft

[civic crest]

In that case I’m not sure what would have an advantage then, dedicated IRST or external

Oh anyways good night

[brisk fossil]

#vtolvr_chat message that being said, I have no plans for TVC

[civic crest]

Ah dang

[torn warren]

Man I really hope the B-11, HB-106, GAV-25, ASF-30, ASF-33 and ASF-58 become flyable without mods one day, making these aircraft flyable would definitely add new gameplay options.

Because OPFOR MP is kinda pointless currently as it's only really good for 1v1s or Aggressor style missions, and yes I know there are PvP serves but it's all the same planes for both sides and it's kinda lame TBH, if the OPFOR planes were made flyable it would make PvP and non PvP missions really interesting, also making the Bombers flyable would also change some things.