Add a third hardpoint under the wings, allow AIM-120Cs to be equipped on the wingtip hardpoints, and slightly increase the engine power. This would allow the tyro to be a more effective trainer with a wide variety of equipment and weapons, and would make it slightly more powerful in combat missions.
#T-55 Buff
tawny trout
hallow sleet
Nah, it's strong enough already and 120s would look silly on the wingtip
tawny trout
Nah, it's strong enough already and 120s would look silly on the wingtip
how would they look silly on the wingtip
they look pretty silly on the 45A wingtip imo
hallow sleet
they look pretty silly on the 45A wingtip imo
I agree.
But the 55 is even smaller, with smaller wings
tawny trout
Aren't the wingtips of the 55 similar to the wingtips of the 45A
rancid dune
I modified Baha's Original T-55 model. Scaled it up about ~10%, Added ACTUAL 150 gallon (570L) fuel tanks based on the F-5E's Drop tanks, and it is SHOCKINGLY close to the F-2A in size.
Moved the CMS pods back on the belly to clear the drop tank.
The first three are the FA-55.
The second three are the FA-55 on the bottom, compared with the F-2A "Viper Zero" from the JASDF. The wing area of the F-2A is pretty large yet compared to the FA-55.
spiral lance
I modified Baha's Original T-55 model. Scaled it up about ~10%, Added ACTUAL 150...
do a cockpit remake 🥺 /j
rancid dune
I shoved the F/A-18F Block III cockpit into it from the Ace Combat 7 model
spiral lance
I shoved the F/A-18F Block III cockpit into it from the Ace Combat 7 model
Lol?
(is that the two seat or single sea-)
rancid dune
Two
spiral lance
epic
(The middle screen should be a touch screen imo to teach people the F45 and EF24 gameplay)
worn ridge
I half agree with this. I mostly would just like some extra engine power, and some offtopic weapon additions for the T-55. Not much else.
slender lava
I modified Baha's Original T-55 model. Scaled it up about ~10%, Added ACTUAL 150...
stopp he's perfect, i get the 26 even tho i don't agree but my my 55 my poor baby 55
slender lava
I half agree with this. I mostly would just like some extra engine power, and so...
you see i just don't know i don't think it being slow is a fault of its engine, looking at its twr it seems to put out enough thrust i think its either somehow incredibly draggy compared to the f-16 or artificially capped at slow speed
rancid dune
I'm also not suggesting the T-55 get replaced by the FA-55. Rather, it acts as a supplement to an existing design for more light fighter antics with 2 seats.
worn ridge
you see i just don't know i don't think it being slow is a fault of its engine, ...
It might be the latter, given its trainer status.
slender lava
id like a ton of new planes as well but it'd prob be better to get something a little more different instead of a slightly more capable 55
slender lava
It might be the latter, given its trainer status.
actually would be dope if it simulated being able to be over sped, i mean honestly at liek mach 1.2 the wings do wobble a good bit i could see how it couldn't handle mach 2 structurally
rancid dune
Get up to 70,000 feet and dive for the deck with G-limit off. Then the wings will tell ya haha
slender lava
bold of you to assume the 55 can easily get up there
rancid dune
It can
slender lava
im sure it can get up there no easily tho
dusk pumice
Give the T-55 some justice please
slender lava
idk man t-55 is a damn capable light fighter its just slow and has a weak radar
hot sapphire
probably because its designed as a trainer not a war machine
lusty quiver
i think it’s quite close in performance to an F/A-18D, albeit with worse power
but even then i’ve seen Tyros supercruise
spiral lance
but even then i’ve seen Tyros supercruise
💀
tawny trout
i think it’s quite close in performance to an F/A-18D, albeit with worse power
It’s the most realistic plane in terms of performance, iirc it’s similar to the f16
def doesn’t handle like one tho
slender lava
i think it’s quite close in performance to an F/A-18D, albeit with worse power
the thing is it doesn't have bad power, it has good twr it can climb at 90 knots in a dogfight it just almost artificially feels like it is slow
very weird baha shenanigans going on i feel like
lusty quiver
maybe a more 24 feel to the engine might be nice, "poor" mil power but a big kick in AB
but i don’t know
slender lava
I think its unique and i don't think that should chnage
also wingtip 120's are always ugly
tawny trout
also wingtip 120's are always ugly
rancid dune
Not always, the F-16 does them really really well. I wanna see the pylons shake around more due to the weight than the 9s on the Tyro do
More wobbly wings! More flex! More vortices!
slender lava
im sorry but 120's are put on the f-16's wings to reduce wobble
lusty quiver
i really feel the lack of self defense amraam when i fly the 55
the F-18D has the fuselage pylons
the F-16D has wingtip amraam
T-55 only 2 aim-9
feels limited
tawny trout
doesn't every f18 have fuselage hardpoints?
lusty quiver
but i guess it’s not a light fighte
rancid dune
Add another underwing pylon for AAMs only
tawny trout
and f16c
rancid dune
Single racks
lusty quiver
doesn't every f18 have fuselage hardpoints?
yes, but 2 seater.. yes
tawny trout
The 16C has the TGP and HTS pylons
it has wingtip amraams
rancid dune
I still wish we could mount the TGP to the center* belly pylons on the 55/26
lusty quiver
i mentioned the 2 seaters because they’re more in line with the 55. but it’s true for the single seater ofc
slender lava
Best part of this suggestion is the third lighter wing hardpoint, thatd be perfect increase its capacity and i know it would fit cause the 55 has a wider wingspan then the f-16
slender lava
and f16c
I feel like you would be very disappointed in its performance outside of straight speed, same 2 circle performance worse 1 circle performance worse twr
lusty quiver
imagine if the trainer in VTOL was an (A)T-6
slender lava
i swear yall should make simpler suggestions cause like i agree with a third hardpoint but like not with the other things
tawny trout
I feel like you would be very disappointed in its performance outside of straigh...
why would it have a worse twr? I'm not proposing to make it 1:1 f16 performance
it says "slightly increase the engine power"
slender lava
why would it have a worse twr? I'm not proposing to make it 1:1 f16 performance
well i was responding to a message of you jokingly saying add f-16
not to the main suggestion
slender lava
haha
lusty quiver
buffing the 55 makes it more of a light fighter, can still be used as a trainer just as well.
But it means it’s no longer the "weaker more difficult" plane anymore
rancid dune
T-55 on top, FA-55 in center, F-2A on bottom. The wingspan is close, but still narrower
slender lava
I mean the 55 is already firmly a light fighter imo, it can already carry what like 8 amraams like same amount that the eagle used to
rancid dune
It still needs the wingtip rails for 120s though, but look how good it looks...
slender lava
no 6 is right mb
rancid dune
Keep maximum 120 capacity 6, just move to wingtip 120s and make the inner wing pylon a single
EZ
lusty quiver
it definitely doesn’t have the payload capacity or wet TWR or a legacy hornet or viper. maybe it closer to an A-4 or something ?
lusty quiver
Keep maximum 120 capacity 6, just move to wingtip 120s and make the inner wing p...
i don’t know who flies the 55 for A2A anyways
rancid dune
I do sometimes in pubs, but I carry Sparrows because better looking
slender lava
i love how close you are to the missiles in the 55
lusty quiver
i wish we had some better sounds
the missile sounds are better when the doors are opened in 94/42
lusty quiver
upsized ?
lusty quiver
loyal wingmen aim9
rancid dune
Smaller tanks
lusty quiver
lil bro thinks he’s an F-16XL
dusk pumice
I don’t know if I should be ashamed or disgusted
hot sapphire
Yes
void tundra
Add a third hardpoint under the wings, allow AIM-120Cs to be equipped on the win...
I agree with the more power
Would love an F16 inspired plane with more power, doubt it will happen. The 55 is like the 26 but with a good cockpit, just missing some power.
I know it's supposed to be a trainer, but man.. I would love a smaller jet with some power to it
rancid dune
Then you’ll love my FA-55 design
void tundra
Then you’ll love my FA-55 design
have seen it, big fan
hot sapphire
For a trainer jet the T-55 is very fine. It's not meant to be used in war, so the buff is very unneeded. If anything, a new jet should be added to support the formfactor the T-55 has but be a war machine, rather than a direct buff to the T-55!
rancid dune
It's a lead-in fighter trainer. It can do everything the 26 can do but much worse
gleaming siren
The thing is, the T-55 feels more like a fighter jet than the F/A just because of the cockpit layout, hence why so many people want F/A redesigns
Would be nice to either have a T-55 which is more competative, or a F/A which feels more like the more recent cockpits
rancid dune
Why not both?
gleaming siren
Or also a third new fighter jet that is both competative and an actual dedicated fighter
(Please give delta wing light fighter with thrust vectoring)
gleaming siren
Both are good too, but this is the fundamental issue that people have
gleaming siren
Why does everyone want a delta wing with TVC?
Because it's two thingies that give you a different flight experience, and that is a thing people want
That is, a substantially different flight model
rancid dune
Each one has separate gameplay elements, make two more different aircraft
gleaming siren
But that's also fair, I don't disagree
gleaming siren
I just want a light fighter
rancid dune
Me too, which is why I redesigned the F/A-26
gleaming siren
The F/A-26 has so many god damn missiles though
rancid dune
My redesign deletes the four belly pylons, replacing them with side intake AAM pylons only
gleaming siren
It's already a missile truck, it kinda doesn't need to be a light fighter as well
rancid dune
Hence why it would be a new aircraft
gleaming siren
Sure but like, why redisign an old aircraft that fills a role as opposed to a new aicraft that fills a new role
Fair enough
rancid dune
My 26B redesign would fit the "I want a more capable 55, or I want a less capable 26 with less weapons"
Same with the FA-55
people want it
I do too
gleaming siren
That's fair, but I don't think it's helpful to frame that as a redesign of the FA-26
gleaming siren
I also wonder if a light fighter would also help fix "viffing" simply by adding a fighter that would beat the 45 in a turnfight
rancid dune
I would love to see that
Something with an insane sustained turn rate
but high thrust
gleaming siren
Without changing viffing at all, just by changing the dynamic from 45 beats 26 to ?? beats 45 which beats 26
tawny trout
I also wonder if a light fighter would also help fix "viffing" simply by adding ...
afaik the 45 doesn't actually outrate you, it kinda just sits inside your turn circle
while viffing*
gleaming siren
Yeah, it's more of an insane instantaneous turn rate than a strong sustained turn rate
void tundra
For a trainer jet the T-55 is very fine. It's not meant to be used in war, so th...
correct
void tundra
The thing is, the T-55 *feels* more like a fighter jet than the F/A just because...
but this is also correct
I dont think the 55 needs a buff because its supposed to be a trainer, I'm just biased because I really dont want to fly the 26 anymore after being in the cockpit of the 55..
tawny trout
I dont think the 55 needs a buff because its supposed to be a trainer, I'm just ...
if I'm training someone on every weapon type, a third underwing hardpoint would help with this
2 more possible weapon types
rancid dune
I'm quite the opposite. I'm so used to the 26B and it's capabilities / size, I don't like to fly anything but it
God, a third underwing pylon for the 55 and 42 would go hard
void tundra
if I'm training someone on every weapon type, a third underwing hardpoint would ...
idk, I havent been in that position, but I think you could just land and rearm
rancid dune
I put those in my redesigns
gleaming siren
Honestly, I'd rather a stronger radar and less of the weird speed limit thingy
void tundra
I'm quite the opposite. I'm so used to the 26B and it's capabilities / size, I d...
oh I mean, I want to fly the 26, but it's just so big
gleaming siren
More missiles are nice but it's not the vibe I like
rancid dune
I know. That's why I downscaled it by 15%
void tundra
the cockpit of the 55 is way smaller, MFDs and buttons are also smaller, makes a big difference
thats whats attracting me
tawny trout
honestly I think the 26B could benefit from an MFD remodel
rancid dune
Real. Just by slapping the F-15C cockpit into the 26 model feels so much better.
gleaming siren
HUD is way better aligned for me
void tundra
I wish I could pull more Gs, have more power, be more maneuverable, etc... but that cockpit is so nice. The 26's cockpit is like a living room, I could do yoga in there if I wanted to
tawny trout
the 42C looks a million times better and all baha did was reduce the size of the HUD frame and put cooler MFDs in it
rancid dune
I think if the 26B got the option of either slim HUD like the F/A-18C or F-16, or the wide angle one like the F-15E would look sick
Look at the size difference. But that's a bit off topic of the 55.
void tundra
yeah
void tundra
is the fa55 single engine?
rancid dune
Yeah
void tundra
Oh
rancid dune
Just scaled up 10%. Close to F-2 size
rancid dune
Oh for sure not
void tundra
26 should be downscaled, improved cockpit and stay double engine
rancid dune
A supplement to fill out the "tech tree" so to speak
void tundra
makes sense
rancid dune
With Wingtip AMRAAMs
void tundra
man... mod support would make this game sooooo much better
rancid dune
There is the modloader in Steam now
one touch downloading. and it's a separate launcher from vanilla
void tundra
does it work with latest updates? and does it include the mods I've seen on sites like the A10, and does it replace in game aircraft?
void tundra
one touch downloading. *and* it's a separate launcher from vanilla
ooo
rancid dune
Most of the aircraft mods still need ported over
AFAIK, the Gripen is the only one on there.
void tundra
where do I go on steam to see the mod page?
void tundra
thx
rugged nest
has to be doenloaded on the same drive as vtol to work
lusty quiver
what do guys think of weight limits, a fully loaded T-55 doesn't seem to want to take off
would another 2 pylons make it worse
tawny trout
what do guys think of weight limits, a fully loaded T-55 doesn't seem to want to...
Krill issue
lusty quiver
since people love filling every pylon with maximum shit
gleaming siren
Have you tried flaps?
tawny trout
Worse I've gotten is like .70 TWR
Rookie numbers
gleaming siren
Unless you're trying to go VTOL mode
rancid dune
I'll tell you one thing... The drop tanks are too gotdamn big for he plane
lusty quiver
i've seen 0.54 or so
rancid dune
Three drop tanks and self defense AAMs is stupid low TWR
lusty quiver
you can get that thing heavy
rancid dune
Each drop tank is 450 gallons like what
They should be closer to 300 or less
thing sips fuel
tawny trout
I should be able to mount AIM-54s on the tyro for absolute minimum TWR
gleaming siren
thing sips fuel
It does, unless you want it to go over M 1.0 then you need constant afterburner
rancid dune
Yeah, but at that point stay at MIL and keep your maneuverability.
I almost always bring a belly tank and drop it before combat
Even then, most situations you won't even use all 1700L before you engage
Take the 870L tank from the heli (which even with full fuel you can fly forever, and 870 is the internal capacity of the heli anyways) and give it to the 55. Take the 1700L tank and give it to the 26B and 45
Problem, solved
Remove the 4200 tank
Increase the CFT capacity by 20% to better fit its size
tawny trout
Remove the 4200 tank
spiral lance
Remove the 4200 tank
Toast no longer has fuel
rancid dune
4200L is 1,110 GALLONS. Nobody needs that much in a single drop tank. You may as well save a pylon and bring CFTs
lusty quiver
It does, unless you want it to go over M 1.0 then you need constant afterburner
i've seen clean tyro supercruise
gleaming siren
That's if you're clean
If you're actually in combat you will want to fly low for cover and carry weapons
lusty quiver
yes thank god
gleaming siren
And you want to go M1 for extra range
lusty quiver
i'm guessing there isn't crazy transonic drag simulated in VTOL
rancid dune
Crazy amount? Not per se, but yes. On the 26 with any loadout, without sustained MIL power, near transonic speeds there is a drag penalty. In fact, it should be able to go frickin fast. Each one of its engines are 50% larger diameter than the F-15/16s F-110 engines
They're larger than the 24's engines in diameter as well
With how big the 26 is, there's for sure simulated added drag
The 24 is slightly more aerodynamic with the wings swept back
lusty quiver
i leaned the other day that F-111G (aka FB-111) with the better engines could have gone beyond mach 3 but the airframe would have suffered from the heat
but it's wild to me that a design meant for low altitude nuke delivery and short field operation could ever reach mach 3
rancid dune
Hell, the upgraded F-4X could theoretically reach Mach 3, but it was deemed that even allies of the US couldn't have a plane that could compete with the then still flying SR-71
(and possibly shoot it down)
And the U-2
lusty quiver
4200L is 1,110 GALLONS. Nobody needs that much in a single drop tank. You may as...
introducing the B-58's fuselage sized external tanks lol
rancid dune
Bruh
rancid dune
If we got a playable bomber, I'd vote for 4200L tanks for it, or larger
rancid dune
You know, I could see a new gameplay element / aircraft in a flying wing. Either small, like the A-12 concept, or large like the B-21/B-2
lusty quiver
You know, I could see a new gameplay element / aircraft in a flying wing. Either...
how so ?
weird handling ?
lusty quiver
yeah, modern probably feel quite normal thx to fbw
but i wonder how the old ones flew
in the 40s
rancid dune
Well, see those have little baby rudders
lusty quiver
notice the alien prints on the desert floor
rancid dune
FBW makes that irrelevant
I'd love a flying wing in VTOL
but that's not T-55 related lmao
finite shoal
Kinda. Lack of yaw stability
they have spoilers/speed brakes on either side to help with yaw
similar to F-14 spoilers affecting roll