#Large civilian airliner for escort/intercept missions

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arctic creek
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Something like a concorde intercept, where you have to fly up to intercept it and guide it home and fend off any would be foes, optionally a different type of large airliner, depends on what Baha wishes for, but I just think this would be neat to have.

teal scroll
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Would be very useful for intercept, defend, traffic for ATC missions, and - importantly- an extra challenge for target ident. Civilian commercial air traffic is a common obstacle in modern conflicts and could be used as a fail condition for added challenge. Make sure you know what you are shooting before you pull the trigger or it could be game over!

dawn bridge
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Mach 2 at 60k feet, good luck intercepting that

acoustic zephyr
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i dont really think civilian assets should be in the game though

arctic creek
teal scroll
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Don't even need a new model. Just rip the the dish off the E4 and you're done

dawn bridge
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or the boom off the KC

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i think just say it's a military cargo plane

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and you're good

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we can protend it's an airliner

teal scroll
dawn bridge
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force detected because of ADS-B ?

teal scroll
dawn bridge
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true lol.
Su-37 ?

teal scroll
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57

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i think it would be a war crime to do that.. but war crimes are more just war suggestions, so it would unwise for anyone to rely on adsb alone. You would look at signature return. Idk, i don't want to confuse players who see an E-4 when its supposed to be an airliner to avoid. Same with intercept/escort missions. Protect the president anyone?

dawn bridge
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The real problem isn't the model, it's the lack of "neutral" status

white sluice
acoustic zephyr
# white sluice Why not?

is a arcade combat sim, having civilian things would just make units that you arent supposed to kill

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and theres plenty of things that you can escort in game

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i guess this is kinda semantic, but if there were a normal airliner type aircraft, it would be fine if it were just called a military transport

white sluice
split scroll
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Can always use the refuel jet as a substitute

teal scroll
# acoustic zephyr is a arcade combat sim, having civilian things would just make units that you ar...

I don't agree with this in the slightest. VTOL should have a neutral affiliation which could be used for greenfor, non-combatants, or other unknowns. A game just has units: Trucks, planes, people. It is up to the mission designer to designate what those units represent. In the current system, a mission designer could still make a "shoot down the civilian airliner" mission and use a friendly refueling jet. Likewise, I could use a bunch of civilian trucks to denote "fleeing insurgents." It's not about just "units you aren't supposed to kill" (which IS an added challenge), it is the inclusion of ambiguity and forcing more challenge on the player to posivitely identify targets. Right now, that's just not a mechanic that a mission can have.

acoustic zephyr
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i dont feel very passionate about it, i just think that civilian units would just enable some really edgy jokes and other stuff, without really adding much to it

civic nimbus
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Feeling like committing virtual war crimes?

tough gate
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Play Project Wingman today!

acoustic zephyr
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im coming back to this cause ive thought of it a bit more, civilian looking units would be really nice to have in missions, as long as they are branded as team B/A units, such as military cargo/tanker ships and military cargo transport, i cant imagine that would make anyone uncomfortable to have, and it would fit within the current programming (he doesnt have to add a 3rd faction)

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if you're looking for defenseless units, that can be made, but they should probably not be civilian units

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is my mindset, i guess

mystic gate
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Is this just going to be a large target to feed the missle cruiser

teal scroll
# acoustic zephyr im coming back to this cause ive thought of it a bit more, civilian looking unit...

That defeats the purpose of having such units. A third "unknown" option adds ambiguity as a feature of the game - which is the whole point. It's not that these units are strictly to be considered "innocent civilians," It's that they are not clearly enemies. That is not a bad thing, it adds a new dimension.

First and foremost, Baha needs to seperate faction from the unit type - that should be selectable since right now, PVP can't really be balanced.

Second, an "unknown class" allows that extra ambiguity that could be useful in a variety of mission types. To prevent clear classification of them as targets, you could prevent ambiguous-type units from getting the "redfor" faction.

Finally, I don't think that the concern about "people making warcrime missions" is relevant. Players can currently make fratricide missions, but they really don't.

You can talk about all the bad stuff people can do with ambiguous units, but you don't think about all the cool peacetime missions people can make!!

Airshow?
Airlift?
SaR?
Car commercial?

Actually, civis would be fantastic for Baha - he could use his helicopter flight model for a black-hawk type helicopter with a whole list of peactime missions from police chases to firefighting to sea-borne rescue in a storm.

acoustic zephyr
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this is just a strong difference of opinion, It would take a lot to convince me

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not that either way is right or wrong, I just don't see it going well

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if the game was set up as any unit can go in any faction, then adding a third one might not be too bad, but idk the intricacies of thaf

weary pike
white sluice
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Military simulation is military simulation

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Imagine not adding civilians to arma because oh no they could die

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Like yeah that's kinda the point

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And regardless it's up to the mission designer

weary pike
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Exactly what I thought, if you make killing the civvies penalized then what is the issue? Also you could use the new units for many things

acoustic zephyr
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you can disagree with me, thats fine

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but my opinion on this is really firm

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i dont see how adding things that you arent allowed to shoot would make the game any more fun than it is

arctic creek
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I honestly don't care about this suggestion anymore

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Can we please let it die.

acoustic zephyr
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yeah sure

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imma stop responding

arctic creek
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Do not hijack this suggestion or anything, I don't want any more of the arguing in here at all.

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thanks :)

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if people here want to argue about opinions on this suggestion please take it to dms as I want this honestly to be locked and archived.

white sluice
acoustic zephyr
white sluice
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Your opinion sucks lol. Wah, the player could be a meanie in the military industrial complex highest bidder murder simulator

arctic creek
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please quit replying here.

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take it to dms.

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Let the thread die

tough gate
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You can lock your own posts

arctic creek
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I can’t

arctic creek
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🤷

arctic creek
torn roost
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Not a concord tbh, i feel like that’s just silly. Like what shame said, added ambiguity is nice, and should be welcomed as a feature.

tough gate
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After doing some missions for civilian intercepts with a tanker, I now see why this would be nice to have

arctic creek
dawn bridge
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give us the C-49