🤔｜theories

[winter scarab]

mostly seasons

Robert's storyline looks the most confusing of them all for me

And there was a White door ARG??

[floral mauve]

yes

[vague imp]

im here again to talk ab this

ok so

first of all, i am hes taking in the fact theyre both blondes

"that makes no sense" makes to me

because they phisically look alike and all

second of all, wanted to comment their relationship with harvey

both of them used harvey to show/express an important message that led to an important conclusion (emma's being the letter sent to frank and laura's being the egg that helped dale with the investigation)

third of all, they died in very similar ways. both by ||suicide|| and the method was related to their necks

plus, they left a picture for their loved ones (emma - frank / laura - bob)

and like this might be the last part but if william's soul was in laura, how would he follow her?

yall remember the mill? so

they were deleting her memories

[floral mauve]

I still think you need some stronger evidence if you want to reject the William possibility

[vague imp]

im not finished

[floral mauve]

good, continue, sorry for interrupting

[vague imp]

william's soul follows her throughout all the cube escape series, we see some scenes of implied suicide and some where he's killing her

in the mill, it seems like aldous and william were planning something

i concluded that based on that letter of the game

[winter scarab]

Wait, since when does William follow Laura in the cube escape series?

[vague imp]

...all the time

hes the shadow that "haunts" her

[floral mauve]

he/she/they assumes Laura's CS is William CS

[vague imp]

i havent finished tho

[vague imp]

he

[floral mauve]

cool

[vague imp]

ok still . . . im not finished

[floral mauve]

pls continue

[vague imp]

when the corrupted soul kills laura, it kills her at the cabin

but then, in seasons, we see her body at her house

which makes me think her corpse went from the cabin, to the mill and then back to her house...? if that makes sense

all taken by aldous

aldous said right back in roots "we will meet again, in this life or another" or something like that idk ive played roots a long time ago

he says it right after killing william

and so... the machine that erased her memories in the mill, could maybe be so that william's black cube was inserted in her

so she would be the "right ressurection" this time

also laura and emma's bonding with flowers and painting... drawing...

their similar personalities (my impressions)

and the fact emma's sacrifice was her sadness tear, and laura seems to have this fear/depression since ever for no known reason (could be the corrupted soul haunting her too)

thats what i remember for now, but if i got anythinf else ill say it when i remember

[azure bay]

I'm sorry but William being reincarnated as Laura is canon. It was clearly acknowledged in the very next game. The Cave

[vague imp]

bro

chill

its a theory... that makes a lot of sense

plus it really is NOT confirmed that laura is william?

[floral mauve]

we are quite chill

atm

[azure bay]

I'm chill. The the evidence tells me that your theory is wrong

[vague imp]

well, ok

[floral mauve]

I respect your theory but the evidences you mentioned are all parallel correlations and indirect

and there is no sign of Emma in other games except Roots

[vague imp]

how are they parallel correlations? eh... most of what i mentioned are traits of the characters that lead me to think that, the mill is just amother part of it

another*

[winter scarab]

😮 What if it was a robin? Like in the White door

[ivory girder]

there's the whole cave part when william drinks the elixir, becomes a cs, then becomes laura, then becomes a cs again like it's just not randomly there

[azure bay]

also unfolding photo

[vague imp]

makes sense lol but i think that to laura or william to be enlighted would be in their very past and start of fate so it would depend on william surviving rather than aldous after drinking the elixir

and if that happened maybe william wouldve become mr crown instead?

[winter scarab]

I mean, I dont think she'll actually be enlightened (though that would be a very interesting plot twist if Dale dies and Laura becomes enlightened)

[azure bay]

If the elixir effects were unpredictable I'd bet on that since "Crow & a Dead Man" were likely carved into the altar before the elixir consumption

[vague imp]

ok bro... ok... ive played the cave like a long time ago and yeah i remember that, just feel like that emma thing would have impact on laura

[vague imp]

wait what altar (/gen)

[winter scarab]

Emma died before Laura was born though

[azure bay]

the one in the lab. With the gate opened by the timepieces

[ivory girder]

yes it could impact laura but that doesn't mean laura is emma's reincarnation

[azure bay]

so did William

[vague imp]

ohhh okay

[winter scarab]

Oh wait, I misunderstood the convo, nvm

[vague imp]

lmao

[winter scarab]

Interesting though that so far the person who drinks the elixir first becomes enlightened and the second person dies

[azure bay]

nope. The dog drank 1st so did William

[winter scarab]

yeah and got "enlightened"

[vague imp]

...exactly?

oh true

william drinked first

ok so, since the dog drank the elixir first and didnt die instantly (like william did), why didnt james just... not drink it?

[azure bay]

speaking of the altar. That's just another evidence of William being the one to be reborn.

[ivory girder]

i don't think james knew that his uncle was dead from the elixir

[azure bay]

how would he?

[vague imp]

well true

[winter scarab]

oh right

nvm 😛

no discord I want : P

[vague imp]

but didnt james read like the elixir "recipie" from a book written by aldous?

why didnt aldous just write the effects on the book lol

[winter scarab]

But then comes the question. When Dale and Laura drink the true elixir, will we know who will get enlightened and who wont?

[azure bay]

there was a page. It could be either torn out before James could see it or misread

[vague imp]

"basically his dad just died after drinking this thing but idc cuz ill live forever. ill just leave this book to teach him how to do it so he can die and leave his wife to raise three children alone lol"

[vague imp]

i dont believe laura could be enlightened (very sad bc i love her)

[azure bay]

Paradox implies otherwise

"One of us will die, the other will be enlightened. Make the right move, Dale"

[vague imp]

yep... making the right move, i think it means to be enlightened

[floral mauve]

?

[azure bay]

also "You cannot save her unless you sacrifice yourself"

[ivory girder]

didn't dale drink the elixir in the secret ending of paradox and he died lmao

[azure bay]

that's the move. He either goes for enlightenment or sacrifices himself

[floral mauve]

also, somehow I think for Laura, Paradox is a win win situation

[azure bay]

1. that wasn't elixir.
2. You are missing another secret ending

[ivory girder]

well yes

[vague imp]

to this day im trying to understand if dale and laura have had a past life thing bc of their relationship, very confusing, dale seems like he would do anything for laura as much as they dont even know each other

[floral mauve]

Laura is dead anyway, so its either she stays the same or she get revived + enlightened bonus pack

[ivory girder]

paradox was in his mind so he didn't really die

and the other ending was canon ig

[azure bay]

not necessarily. He's just a caring person in the movie. And the "canon" ending is the golden cube

[floral mauve]

who knows how The lake works, it may change reality if Dale made other decisions

[ivory girder]

hmmm

[azure bay]

well, the game didn't restart so...

[ivory girder]

well idk

[vague imp]

i agree, but... as much as i agree, its like he has an urge to save laura

[azure bay]

he has a choice

naturally he wants to save Laura

but it has a price

[vague imp]

yeah idk thats the obvious thing to think but i think theres more to it than simply him being a caring man

[azure bay]

the only guess of Dale's past life for now is Albert and it's quite controversial

[floral mauve]

yep

hopefully there are some insights in tpw

[azure bay]

it was established that in Dale's current life he didn't know Laura personally

[vague imp]

yes, thats why i think ab the past life stuff

dale being a past life vanderboom gives me very much more theory material

[azure bay]

do you still think that Emma makes more sense than William?

[vague imp]

no its not what im saying

not that theory specifically

i mean i hadnt even thought about it whrn you said ab dale maybe being albert

[azure bay]

even if he is Albert, how would that affect his attitude to Laura?

[vague imp]

bro calm down i just said "theory material", i need to stop and think about it

[azure bay]

I am calm

just asking natural questions

[vague imp]

i guess maybe because laura is albert's granddaughter? may cause him to feel some affection towards her

im not directly saying dale is albert too, but it may be that so im sticking to that line

[ivory girder]

i mean albert was dead dead way before laura was born

[vague imp]

but he still made the sacrifices (ida, samuel and mary) which makes me think he knew about the ressurection

and if he knew about it he also knew it'd be on rose's hands to do it

[azure bay]

I doubt it

[winter scarab]

Is that because of the deer mask?

[azure bay]

mostly yeah. But also dates

[vague imp]

why would he do it then? it cant be just for "revenge" bc if he just wanted revenge of them he wouldve killed leonard too

maybe the killings were for revenge, but why did he get their sacrifices?

[azure bay]

not necessarily

he didn't kill Frank

he also seemed a loving father, on the other hand

[vague imp]

yeahh i been sayin

[vague imp]

which is another think that leads me to think he knew about the sacrifices, he wouldnt have accepted that chess match for no reason

[azure bay]

I don't think the match was literal

and it seemingly took them at least a month

since there's no reason why Frank wouldn't shave himself right after defeating Albert

and waiting for winter

[vague imp]

idk, if the match took at least a month (totally plausible btw) they would have to eat and sleep, go to the bathroom and these stuff anyway

franks shaving most likely has nothing to do

[azure bay]

to do with what?

[vague imp]

with defeating albert

[azure bay]

then he has no reason not to shave whatsoever and it's even more unreal than I initially implied

[vague imp]

i genuenly dont understand ur point with franks shaving

[azure bay]

unless he was hiding for 2 years before facing Albert and then it being some kind of clash of minds on another battlefield

[azure bay]

He needs reasons to stay savage after leaving the well

[vague imp]

...does he?

[azure bay]

I'm sure he does

[vague imp]

plus he was wearing clothes and sitting normally, walking and a lot of stuff, he just happened to not shave

[azure bay]

people who wear cloths normally shave

unless there's something preventing them

[vague imp]

idk i think u trippin a bit

[azure bay]

well, that's the default common sense

you need to groom yourself

otherwise you'll get parasites and diseases

and the lesser hair you have the easier

and also I recall a Jumanji movie with the same trope

[winter scarab]

Which ending in the White door is the "real one"?

Why did Mr Owl need Robert in it in the first place?

[azure bay]

the only evidence we have it Bob's book

that appears both in Paradox and Sarah's ending

but imo any ending doesn't evidently contribute into Dale's arc

as for Owl's plans, we have some clues

but not clear answer

He needed Bob and his memories of Laura

but he wasn't extracting them

either unblocking them or even implanting them back

why?

I guess he needed to know smth about Laura

and maybe Bob was important as a vessel

[winter scarab]

Ah I see. Perhaps he also needed the memories of him in the bar, so they could use it in CE: Theatre

Also

I dont like Sarah

[azure bay]

these were Dale's memories in Theatre

[winter scarab]

She seems manipulative

[azure bay]

in what way?

[winter scarab]

I havent played TWD tho

When she erases his memories of Laura

idk

[azure bay]

there she was going to ruin Owl's plans

[winter scarab]

What was the ARG about? Really sorry if Im asking too many questions 😅 . Im just trying to make sense of everything

[azure bay]

it was Sarah setting free many if not all the patients

and seemingly providing them an asylum

in a meaning of a hiding place

[winter scarab]

Why was she working against Mr Owl?

[azure bay]

maybe saw his methods unethical

he's the one manipulating people's fates after all

[winter scarab]

I mean yeah

I wouldnt trust him either

[azure bay]

I reckon he has a greater good on his mind

[winter scarab]

Definitely

He probably would be willing to sacrifice himself

[azure bay]

nice assumption I didn't think about

[winter scarab]

Interesting though, we dont know what his intentions are further than just making Dale the next ruler of the Lake

[azure bay]

dying calmly at some point for sure

"My time is limited"

[delicate atlas]

Ok so I'm making a paradox lore meme

And I noticed that whenever Dale looks into a mirror something happens

Is this symbolic or pure gameplay?

In theater the mirror shatters

In paradox he sees Laura'a reflection

In Case 23 he shaves and his hair turns into a bird

In paradox he gets hints from mirrors

Does he have some special connection with mirrors

[floral mauve]

mirror is a classic item used to reflect yourself, mentally and physically

[covert wyvern]

ye im in agreement here^

[floral mauve]

I believe even for Bob it works

[delicate atlas]

Yeah good point

Most basic and obvious answer

Just wanted to make sure others notice that

[floral mauve]

I dont remember where it appeared

there is a sentence saying reflect on your past

was it in theatre

or I am crazy

[delicate atlas]

I don't remember that

It's usually "balance the substances of your/my past lives"

[floral mauve]

godddammit should have remembered all the quotes from RL

[covert wyvern]

úhh

I wanna say that MAY be in the paradox opening?

or uh the movie?

but im honestrly unsure.

[floral mauve]

let me check some walkthrough because I think I am not crazy

[delicate atlas]

Also I realized the rooms inside a head in paradox thing is Dale reflecting on his memories and facing his past and "balancing" his mind

[floral mauve]

yet

YES

paradox phone

REFLECT ON THE PAST (AND THE FUTURE)

I AM NOT CRAZY OMG

calm

[covert wyvern]

lmao GG

[floral mauve]

so perhaps mirror implies the same

reflect on your past and future

[delicate atlas]

Yes

And he even changes brains while looking in the mirror

And kinda time travels

[floral mauve]

thats a good point

[delicate atlas]

To the future and the past

[floral mauve]

RL did a nice job using mirror as a puzzle element

[delicate atlas]

Yes

[azure bay]

"Mirrors don't lie"

• Samsara Room

[quick birch]

Guys This is a part of rusty lake's newest announcement

We can see rose looks much younger than this

So i think we can create ideas about the timeline

[covert wyvern]

except Rose is a mother to probably Laura in the image

[quick birch]

Yes

[covert wyvern]

so the entirety of roots happens before that.

[azure bay]

I'm betting on the time span of 5+ years being covered

[quick birch]

By the way, laura is born after Rose meeting Frank right?

[azure bay]

she's born in the very ending

[hollow igloo]

I think it is just art style. If I remember correctly Rose appears like this in the demo of TPW. So I think the devs just updated her graphics.

They just made her a bit cleaner.

[azure bay]

What's more, I'm sure it's part of their global redesign initiated by Paradox

[tepid trail]

I just finished playing The white door and well some things have been clarified but I still don't understand anything lol

I can't even put together a theory

[azure bay]

start with trying building the chronology

@tepid trail

[tepid trail]

It's hard because I don't know which should be the first one I can start

The order doesn't matter, Right?

[azure bay]

order of what?

[tepid trail]

of the story, like, the order in which you should start to understand the story

[azure bay]

there is an order. But you're unlikely to figure it out right away

[azure bay]

so let's find a different logical start point

[tepid trail]

The first one I played was Samsara Room

[azure bay]

I'm speaking of TWD timeline

it's isolated enough to be reviewed on its own

after you can start tying in all the other games

but for now you need to try roughly understand the order of its own events

[spiral flame]

I think they simply repainted Rose's face (similar to Bob at Theater-The White Door). Because that picture was in 1933. And the picture on the train was definitely after 1935 (William-Laura revival)

[azure bay]

As I said, a redesign

[slow ridge]

In which city is TWD? Is it near Rusty Lake?

At first I thought it was Dark Town (that one we see in the Paradox Globe) but I'm not sure

Also, I guess is the same city where the house of Laura is?

[floral mauve]

I believe twd is at nyc since Bob can reach there by a car ride

I am not sure about Laura's real house location but I guess its in the US as well

[azure bay]

Paradox globe is a metaphor. Dark Town is unlikely to be a real name

[azure bay]

NYC at least for now is based purely on Bob's cube location 20 years after him leaving TWD facility. I'd wait for more evidence before being that specific

[azure bay]

Bob, Dale and Laura live in the same city far away from the lake

It's in US for sure

The lake itself seems to be in Europe

So I'm taking TWD institute as a sister location across the ocean

[spiral flame]

What do people think if Albert is Dale's past life? I mean there are a lot of similarities such as cutting the brain (Paradox), wearing a deer skull (TWD),…

[azure bay]

That wasn't skull in TWD

but rather a head

of a beheaded deer in Paradox

who's referring to the one in Case 23

but yeah, that could be a connection

the dates also line up

but the topic is controversial

[vague imp]

What if everyone in rusty lake universe is related?

[delicate atlas]

Why would david have a daughter?

He was 15-16 when paradise happened iirc

Then he got reincarnated into a rabbit

No way he'd have human grandchildren

The part about Harvey is interesting though

What evidence do you have for it?

[idle carbon]

How can Elisabeth be Aldous and William's mother if she died in 1796 and Aldous was born in 1799 ... I really don't get it

[delicate atlas]

It seems to be symbolic to me. Dale is a good person so he has a deer as his symbol, which means protection and guidance. While Albert is evil so he has a deer skulk as his symbol, which means death.

[azure bay]

For me that would be a cheap trope straight from Indian movies

[azure bay]

Well technically we don't know what happened to the family in the ending

And there's a very good theory about that

[vague imp]

in one of the easter eggs in rusty lake paradise you can see harvey

[covert wyvern]

cool concept! thanks for sharing.

im too tired to comment about what i think about the theory rn though

[azure bay]

do you know Ogne?

[floral mauve]

Harvey and Margaret pair is just cursed to think about

[ripe flame]

Harvey is a lot older than Crow and Owl. It can be assumed that this couple exists, because where is Jacob's grandfather, he is not even in the picture -_-
Maybe he was enlightened, but everyone thought that he had died and before that they didn't even take a photo in memory of him

[azure bay]

1. Harvey isn't just older. It's ancient.

2. From the infinite sample of possible realities you pick one of the most absurd. Why not going further? Why can't we make Nicolas' father a legged fish, a dinosaur or Dale from the future?

[ripe flame]

🙄 Oh well

Harvey is older than Owl because when we playing paradise, there is already harvey

[azure bay]

true. What I am not getting is what evidence made you leap from "Harvey exists" to "Harvey is secretly Eilander"

[slow ridge]

Talking about Harvey, I saw a theory on Reddit which seems pretty curious

It says that Harvey could Shapeshift (between Asura and Parrot) at will, but after being attacked by the Guest's souls she loosed this ability and got "stuck" on bird form.

How probable is this theory? I quite like it

[azure bay]

Not really with current evidence

[floral mauve]

its possible but I simply want more direct evidence

the only shapeshift evidence we have is Owl and Crow

but its under the effect of drugs/elixir

probably unstable

[azure bay]

and it's not animal-asura

[floral mauve]

yea

[slow ridge]

Mr. Crow did it in Case 23 Chapter 3..

Oh wait

[floral mauve]

or did he

[slow ridge]

It was a costume??

Of course.

[azure bay]

it's unlikely since he does the same in The Cave

but that's human-asura

[floral mauve]

but the way he performs it is strange

I stick with the mask idea

either way

it probably wont matter much

[azure bay]

no reason for that...

[floral mauve]

except possible family abuse

[slow ridge]

Not in the same way, in the Cave he uses the hat, but in Case 23 you just.. open his mouth

[floral mauve]

in the cave its quite smooth whereas in case 23 its like he ripped off his skin or mask

add some horror aspect

[azure bay]

and still. There's no need in mask if he does that in The Cave that easily. Why can't it be just a more disturbing depiction of the same transformation?

[slow ridge]

It may be

[floral mauve]

maybe his wife doesnt like crowhead

and abused him by sewing it

[slow ridge]

poor woman, rest in peace

[slow ridge]

OHH WAIT THAT'S WAY TOO DARK

[floral mauve]

she is kinda bossy in the mill

I think its totally possible

there are other ppl suggesting it already

I aint the first one

[slow ridge]

It's possible of course

Everything is possible tbh

[azure bay]

especially before you start evaluating evidence

[slow ridge]

wdym?

We have no evidence against it

Neither in favor

[azure bay]

I'm speaking in general

[vapid portal]

i have a question about laura's current state (like as of winter 1981)

is her corrupted soul wandering around the lake with the other souls (like the hotel guests)

or is she in the weird room at the bottom of the lake

[delicate atlas]

Good question

[vapid portal]

because if she's still in the room it would be extremely weird to have a corpse for ten years solely for her soul

[delicate atlas]

I believe it was all in her head in the white room

Yeah I agree

The timeline after the mill is kinda messy

Go to #😻｜sotl-content and watch the video about Laura's story

It might help

If not then you can ask here and wait for someone who has the answer

[vapid portal]

yeah i watched nowhere's video i even subscribed cause i found his ideas interesting

but here's the thing

if she IS in the white room, that would mean seasons is not reality. it's just laura's corrupted soul playing with her memories.

she never did change the past, harvey's dead, she ate harvey's egg, etc. If she IS in the white room, Seasons is just Laura dealing with her past, just like Dale with Birthday.

[delicate atlas]

Idk either man

But

At the end of seasons we see the white room under the lake

It could be a hint

Plus, seasons says "choose your memory" and they're cubes

Kinda feels like it all was in her head

[azure bay]

Seasons are memories but Laura is proactive there

while the guests were aimlessly wandering the bottom

[azure bay]

Harvey isn't dead

I can guarantee that

was she in the 1st place? Some think it's debatable

[azure bay]

but I have 2 questions.

1. What's indicating that she's in that room?
2. When do you think Seasons take place relatively to the reality?

Like Birthday tells about 1939 but in the reality it's Dale entering his cube in 1972

[vapid portal]

i can answer the first one but not the second one

[azure bay]

so what is it?

[vapid portal]

sorry i was looking for the screenshot lol anyways I believe that at the end of season we are in the lake, hence the cubes floating around (like in paradise where jakob is swimming back to the surface after meeting his mother) . in this view, we are playing as laura's corrupted soul outside the white room. considering that her corpse in 1972 is dead (the cave), her corrupted soul has the ability to look from the outside and "haunt" rusty lake. even if her soul is kidnapped (again, the cave. idk how they managed to kidnap her tho), the soul knows it's in the white room. a soul is always awake therefore knows what they're (owl n crow) doing to it.

but again, i want to emphasize IF she's in the white room because as i said earlier, it would be weird to keep a dead corpse until 1981

[vapid portal]

also now that i woke up i realized that she was alive in the mill mb

[floral mauve]

not weird if the time works differently around the lake and specifically at the mill

Nevertheless, we dont know what happened to Laura CS after the Cave

we simply dont know

maybe winter occurred but there ought to be more details to fill in the gap

I do agree on the fact if the devs dont develop the alt line, the main timeline we have is the line where Dale is deva and Laura remains dead as CS

winter may never happen in the current reality

[azure bay]

see no reasons not to

[floral mauve]

Contradicts to sacrifice logic

Someone gotta die

[azure bay]

winter on its own contradicts nothing

[floral mauve]

The machine does

[azure bay]

only after the blue cube

[floral mauve]

If it works

Yea

[slender peak]

Looking at it that way now it makes sense that the end of seasons is years after the end of the cave.

[azure bay]

Not really if you compare the dates

[violet tundra]

I've been playing Rusty Lake for years but I still don't understand what is between Mr.Crow and Mr.Owl. They can't be enemies because Mr.Crow was working at the hotel but are they on the same side? I don't understand which one is helping Dale. Also Mr.Crow is actually Dale's grandfather and it's more confusing. What do you guys think?

[analog yacht]

Crow is too old to actually be Dale's grandfather, I think. It's likely just similar character design.
Crow and Owl do seem to be on the same side, working towards the same goal

[violet tundra]

You're right I was thinking the same but the character designs made me confused. Thank you for the answer:)

[analog yacht]

Np ^^

[floral mauve]

I won’t be considering character design only

The grandpa in CE Birthday could be Mr Crow since it’s a twisted memory

We see no other evidence of Dale’s grandpa existing

[floral mauve]

From character looking and the gin tonic

Suggesting something

[analog yacht]

And Birthday?

[floral mauve]

I meant birthday

sorry

[azure bay]

Mr. Crow works on Owl. I expect him being loyal but there are theories about his insurgency

[violet tundra]

Yes it really makes sense

[violet tundra]

Exactly like when we see Dale's birthday again in Paradox there is no grandpa

[violet tundra]

Thank you

[azure bay]

Talking about his age, it's not that much of a problem.

[violet tundra]

Yes everything can happen and he is immortal

[azure bay]

finding a wife would be a bit problematic (he stopped aging in 60) but not impossible

[violet tundra]

I don't think that's a whole different character, I think that he is Mr.Crow but maybe he ain't Dale's grandfather because Dale said that the lake is changing his memories.

[floral mauve]

yep

[azure bay]

this specific thing wasn't likely changed by the lake

Like the present is likely Owl's alteration so could Aldous take grandpa's role

[floral mauve]

yes

[charred forum]

im not sure if dale in paradox came first or dale in case 23 came first

cuz in paradox he has his beard

in white door, aka theatre scene, which is most likely during case 23

he has his beard

[charred forum]

im just confused of this

the rest is just me not being able to explain

[analog yacht]

I mean, I think the only time he doesn't have a beard is when he shaves during one chapter. It does grow back eventually

[azure bay]

It doesn't in The Cave

Neither during his elevator trip

[analog yacht]

Yeah but over time

I mean more just that beards grow back so paradox could still be after

[azure bay]

What over time? His trip is the recent installment and Paradox isn't its part

Paradox is likely to take place before the trip

Since its true ending repeats the one of The Cave

[floral mauve]

Omg the theory channel is alive

[azure bay]

There are several theories within the lore and out

I'll start with the one out. 1) They needed a design with max resemblance to David Bowles

Now how that decision may or may not be explained in lore

2. His mental self-image is still bearded
3. Paradox returns his mind either to 1969 (Laura's trip) or 1971 (Laura's death)
4. He's stuck in Paradox for months. Like he carries the forhead wound he got in ch1 through the rest of the installment, so he does with his beard

[charred forum]

oooohhhhhh

4th one

so its lik how chapter 1, 2 and the movie is all different

the way u get out

[floral mauve]

does that mean he got treatment from Owl and Crow during the coma uwu (if its months)

imagine crow and Owl has to tidy him up

if we assume the time didnt stop its effect on Dale's body

[azure bay]

it likely doesn't.

1. his beard IRL didn't grow
2. from outside perspective Paradox likely took just several moments

[floral mauve]

I see

[slow ridge]

Is that possible that this implied that Emma has an affair with other man/men?
There is an idiom in Chinese ‘沾花惹草‘, which can be directly translated as ‘messing with flowers and grass’. In other way, it means having sexual relationships (or constantly seducing and flirting) with the opposite sex. So would this be implying that Emma had affairs with other men actually thus giving birth to Frank? I only have a thought about this from a comment in Bilibili.

[ebon aspen]

I... pretty much doubt the devs would go as far as looking for specific chinese idioms
Secondly, id say that if she had affairs, it would be shown instead of the flower thing (which i usually take as one of the many weird stuff that happen bc of the lake)
But, nonetheless, thats an interesting take tbh

[slow ridge]

It could be or maybe not. But Well… The story of Rusty Lake is structured not only on a series of family violence and mysteries or a tv series (Twin peaks) but heavily inspired by Hinduism and Buddhism, especially the ‘Assura’ part (animal head people)., not mentioning those voodoo, ouija tricks. So any elements could have been picked by Rusty Lake to make their story.

[azure bay]

I tend to agree with @ebon aspen but there's also English "deflowered"

So no need to go an extra mile for that conclusion

[slow ridge]

Maybe yes or no, but I like your idea too.

[covert wyvern]

I think "deflowering" is the more obvious one here, but i like your concept Jupiter

thanks for sharingt!

its fun to get insights like this

[slow ridge]

Your welcome

Sometimes Chinese and English terms come to a similar definition by coincidence.

[azure bay]

It's not mine. I don't even like it. It's just more likely to be the evidence for this kind of theory

[slow ridge]

I know.

[covert wyvern]

Fair enough^

[floral mauve]

I prefer a magical flower than an affair

She drunk water when she was born

Maybe that made her less human?

Or let’s say less regular

Plant based

[azure bay]

//_-

Never drink water, kids

[hollow igloo]

Every human drinks water
Every human dies
A coincidence?

[vague imp]

I think not

[floral mauve]

A baby drinks water directly when she was born wasn’t that normal

Same applies to alcoholic baby

[azure bay]

If she was drinking water exclusively she wouldn't likely survive

Talking about wine, if Albert was drinking it so likely all the others did as well

Usually it used to be in order to put a baby asleep, as faras I'm concerned

[floral mauve]

That’s a guess

[quick birch]

Hi everyone so i got into the secret level of samsara room and I dont have any theories about it. But if anyone wants to discuss, ping me!

This is the map

Level : shrimp

[azure bay]

I guess, it's metaphorical

only the aftermath may have story implications