🤔｜theories

[covert wyvern]

Fascinating.

[azure bay]

there are 3 others behind the rest of the walls

[covert wyvern]

Clearly I'm due a replay!

[sage token]

Bunny

Wabbit

[ripe flame]

Yes.

[azure bay]

ok, back to the topic. How does that affect the chronology?

[ripe flame]

What are u about? About what chronology?

[azure bay]

If I get you right, this attack is saying something about Paradox not happening during The Cave

@ripe flame or what were you trying to say by reminding me of that?

[ripe flame]

That Cave is being during the Paradox and after got freedom because Aldous helped him, Dale go in Hotel and now he is on the Owl's place

[azure bay]

well, Aldous didn't help him. Dale did everything on his own

talking about this

that's not an attack

they are hostile and agressive

but they are also behind the walls

the couldn't attack Dale and Laura there even if they wanted

@ripe flame and I have another question for you.

Do you still think that Bday-Theatre are still before Paradox?

[sage token]

Where does Dale getting into the elevator in Case 23 lead if the actual journey starts with The Cave?

[floral mauve]

good question

[azure bay]

let me blast it

[floral mauve]

I am unsure about the certainty

bruh

[floral mauve]

there are 2 possibilities I have:

1. The elevator doesnt exist, it just makes Dale pass out so they caught him somehow
2. The elevator does exist and sent him under the cabin which Mr Owl controlled Dale somehow

[floral mauve]

so its more 2

[azure bay]

@sage token

[sage token]

Oh okay so it took him to the bottom of the Lake and from there he went to the white cube room?

[hollow igloo]

I personally think so.

[ripe flame]

Ye

[azure bay]

Why?

[lyric perch]

Apparently this woman is Mr Crow's wife

There should be a wiki page for her

[sage token]

We don't know that for certain, but it's what I like to think

[lyric perch]

There is a painting in the mill

With Aldous and Her

[indigo beacon]

oh i always called her That Weird Granny Lady

[delicate atlas]

Iirc it also kinda looks like that painting with the man and woman in front of a house

[sage token]

Yes, that's why I like to think that they are a couple, but a painting is not evidence enough

[delicate atlas]

Like this painting

[covert wyvern]

Hey wait a minute

[grizzled bluff]

I... think that's a reproduction

[delicate atlas]

Wdym

[covert wyvern]

I think that painting may have been

Doctored

[delicate atlas]

Nvm they look nothing alike 💀

[covert wyvern]

O no ur right

I do think that photo is refering the piece you shared

[delicate atlas]

Ok found the original

[covert wyvern]

Yes there we go

[grizzled bluff]

Yeah, that's what we noticed XD
Good eye for noticing the possible connection tho!

[delicate atlas]

Thanks!

[covert wyvern]

I just had a good chuckle at the tardis in the background

[floral mauve]

they are officially recognised as a couple according to the instagram page

when they reintroduce The Mill

as a part of the collection

[azure bay]

but we do. from synopsis

[sage token]

Ah I was not aware

Awesome

Glad that it's confirmed

[covert wyvern]

Ah well an insta post would do it alright

[lyric perch]

Apparently cube escape seasons happens while Mr Crow tells her corrupted soul stuff in the mill. After the soul leaves, Mr Crow goes in a boat and gets the detective to the cabin, where he meets with the woman's corrupted soul.

Or ce:seasons happens in the corrupted soul's memories at his end

[ebon aspen]

Seasons clearly are laura's memories, and prolly "happen" bf the cube extraction session in the mill, since she couldnt remember her past afterwards
Ig we have 3 possibilities for seasons:
Its someone else visiting her memories
Its her, bf dying, reminiscing the past
Its her, after getting corrupted, somehow picking the cubes
Tbf its been a while since i played the collection games, but i dunno how far from those 3 options we can go

[lyric perch]

I think the memories remained in the soul

[azure bay]

disagree. It was Laura herself speaking from winter. Because "find me in the past"

winter*

[lyric perch]

Then why did Crow tell her soul

Stuff that was told in seasons

This obviously either means it was Laura's memories in the future in seasons, or the voices has been travelled somehow into the past

But it cannot be Laura's memories

Because her memories got extracted

[azure bay]

Laura could be repeating his words

but not all of them

and she adds some extra

[lyric perch]

So seasons happened after?

It is not possible as her memories got extracted

[azure bay]

the latest memory of seasons is 1981

[lyric perch]

And what is the mill year

[azure bay]

1972

[lyric perch]

Seasons third season was?

[azure bay]

1971

[lyric perch]

Well there you go

What was case 23 first part year?

[azure bay]

1971

[lyric perch]

I think her memories were replayed while Mr Crow soled her brain puzzles

[azure bay]

her future memories?

[lyric perch]

Then somehow her corrupted soul experienced something in 1981

And the soul travelled back in time (soul memories)

[azure bay]

she retrieved her cubes. that's what likely happened

[lyric perch]

The soul?

[azure bay]

yes

[lyric perch]

Possibly

But if that then it explains the cave's souls

What was the cave year

[azure bay]

1972

but how The Cave souls are related?

[lyric perch]

Because the woman's memories were meant to be extracted to get rid of the souls

[azure bay]

no

[lyric perch]

The souls of the hotel guests

[azure bay]

that's not the case

[lyric perch]

?

[azure bay]

It's Dale who will do that

[lyric perch]

Wdym

Why did her memories get extracted in the lake?

[azure bay]

Owl speaks of Dale in his letter when he tells that he discovered the one

[lyric perch]

Oh

I thought he is woman's soul

[azure bay]

eh?

ah

[azure bay]

the lake needs the memories in general

[lyric perch]

But why were memories extracted

In lake

Why

[azure bay]

dunno

just fact

[lyric perch]

Ok

[azure bay]

but later her memories were used to create the elixir

[lyric perch]

When did the elixir get created

[azure bay]

the cave

[lyric perch]

But it was the dogs elixir

[azure bay]

the golden cube

is also elixir

[lyric perch]

Ok

[vale marsh]

Just curious, but where is that shown?

[azure bay]

the book

[lyric perch]

Btw

Is the past within playable for people who has no friends?

[azure bay]

suddenly, they're interested in evidence

[azure bay]

buy it on 2 devices

[lyric perch]

What lol

[vale marsh]

I said it was a case by case.

[lyric perch]

Or buy it on one account (steam or Google play) and download on 2 devices

[vale marsh]

I like evidence, but I do not always care how strong the evidence is.

[covert wyvern]

or just find someone to play with on theserver

[azure bay]

the guy is genius after all

[covert wyvern]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lyric perch]

What guy

[vale marsh]

Why did this devolve into an argument about theory styles?

[azure bay]

your idea is genius

[lyric perch]

Oh

[covert wyvern]

I dunno its seemingly about how to cheese playing TPW by yourself

[lyric perch]

I thought someone FINALLY made a compliment about me

[covert wyvern]

and that conversation is now over.

[lyric perch]

But it was my idea being congratulated

Ok

[azure bay]

but I did

[lyric perch]

Shhh

Stupid auto corrector but now let's end this conversatiob

[lyric perch]

Why say cheeze

[covert wyvern]

ah its just a term

[lyric perch]

Ok

[winter scarab]

Im no expert in RL lore, so could someone help me out with understanding Paradox? I know it takes place in the white room at the end of Cave and its goal is to create the golden cube/true elixir (?) and that Dale needs to escape the paradox room several times again, but what does he need to do in his attempts to "truly escape" it? Also, is this like a more complex version of drinking the elixir where Laura dies and Dale becomes enlightened? How do they know that Dale will become enlightened? What if Laura does, while Dale dies?

[azure bay]

Paradox is about choice

Dale either kills the would-be killer by sacrificing himself and saves Laura

or accepts the consequences and takes the elevator ride

If Laura does...

we don't actually know

[winter scarab]

who is the would-be killer?

[azure bay]

Dale. At least in Paradox

[winter scarab]

So in order to really escape Dale needs to sacrifice himself?

[azure bay]

no

he needs to accept the consequences of his actions

and leave Laura as she is

[winter scarab]

so he technically needs to kill Laura

why?

A bit twisted if you ask me lol

[azure bay]

his corrupted soul did

souls are mean in general. That may or may not be the only reason

he could also be manipulated by Owl

or it's just how elixir works

[winter scarab]

alright, so Dale's corrupted soul killed Laura in the "Paradox simulation" as I will call it. To escape the paradox simulation, Dale has to accept this fact and not try to save Laura

correct?

[azure bay]

maybe there's more to that

maybe he needs to understand the choice

maybe deliberately find the true exit

but yeah

at least, that's my theory

[winter scarab]

also, how does Laura die? In the real world I mean

And whats going on in "Seasons"?

Sorry for so many questions 😅

[azure bay]

she killed herself. but the reason could be deeper

Dale's CS from another reality could push the real Laura to death as well

[winter scarab]

interesting

What happens in Seasons?

[azure bay]

Laura's CS builds a machine and jumps through her memories in order to revive herself.

the ending depends on you believing if memories affect the reality

[winter scarab]

Whats the result of the machine? Laura survives?

[azure bay]

do you believe that changing memories also changes the reality?

[winter scarab]

No

Mostly thinking about Birthday here

[azure bay]

then she doesn't revive herself and her further fate is practically unknown

maybe she stays delusional

maybe she's reborn

no evidence to support any of these

[winter scarab]

The laura/dale plotline is so confusing

[azure bay]

if you, on the contrary, believe that memories change the reality, then she's successful

either prevents her own death

or resurrects herself

[winter scarab]

when does the soul does that?

[azure bay]

1981 is the latest memory

I guess not long after building the machine

[winter scarab]

Dosent seasons take place in memories and not in reality?

[azure bay]

memories have to repeat the reality at 1st

[hollow igloo]

Question: how about Harvey’s death in Fall?

[azure bay]

that's one of the reasons why I believe changing memories changes the reality (or at least creates a parallel one)

[hollow igloo]

In that case, I agree

[winter scarab]

so did dale save his parents in birthday?

[hollow igloo]

Otherwise, if we assume that changing memories does NOT change reality, we could think that the Fall and Winter events are somehow altered versions, or fictitious memories. Something that really never happened, but she did in her head. That would make seasons comparable to Paradox.

[hollow igloo]

If changing memories changes the reality, I guess so.

[azure bay]

people argue that the massacre was the reason why Dale has chosen his career

[hollow igloo]

I could agree on that, it could make sense.

[winter scarab]

well my thoughts on the blue cube is that we have only seen it being used inside memories, not in reality. It could probably change the past in realities, burtt we have only seen it change the past in memories

[azure bay]

it exist in the reality and would have no purpose if unable to turn the time back

[hollow igloo]

I personally like to think that blue cubes are just time condensed. So maybe they have a purpose, maybe not.

[winter scarab]

i know it exists in reality, it just hasnt been used in reality

[hollow igloo]

And I really hope to see a blue cube in the machine in TPW frankly

[azure bay]

I think the statement "the blue cube works in memories" is more complicated than "the blue cube works"

[hollow igloo]

The fact is that in memories theoretically everything could work. A memory could not be a perfect representation of reality. But, if we assume it is, maybe blue cubes could have been used in reality too

It depends on the rules of this universe regarding memories.

[azure bay]

I think if memories don't represent the reality, blue cubes affecting the time would be random

out of nowhere

[hollow igloo]

Blue cubes are generally used in some kind of machine. Maybe a machine of this type doesn’t exist in reality

Yet

Waiting fo July

[azure bay]

The Cave machine was pretty much real

[hollow igloo]

Yes, but it had another purpose

It wasn’t a time machine

[azure bay]

or it was. Looking through countless lives of Laura in search of specific elements could take ages

[winter scarab]

what if "seasons" is Lauras POV while in Paradox?

[azure bay]

they are nothing alike

[winter scarab]

different purpouses

[azure bay]

Seasons looks more like Dale's elevator trip

and future memories?

[winter scarab]

so laura dies, dale investigates her death, dale is brought to the lake where he eventually enters the elevator to the white room. Meanwhile the dead body of laura is brought to the mill to extract her memories for the lake. Mr Crow extracts her bad memories and Laura turns corrupted, her soul fleas. Eventually her soul is also brought to the white room. Inside her paradox simulation, or perhaps during her elevator ride, she needs to revisit her memories to "revive her". She, perhaps, isnt actually revived, but her soul is and it becomes uncorrupted

[azure bay]

and I even can find a reason why

but as I think about it, it wasn't necessary before

I mean reviving Laura in order to sacrifice her for the elixir sake

but Caroline wasn't revived

what's more, Jacob was dead during the elixir ritual

and once again, seeing future memories makes little to no sense

[winter scarab]

When has rusty lake ever made sense?

[azure bay]

us not being able to figure it out doesn't mean it can't be

[hollow igloo]

The entire paradox room is fake. And it was created in Dale’s mind, so maybe in Laura’s mind something similar could have happened. Maybe for her it was the creation of fake memories

[hollow igloo]

I like this idea. Maybe the blue cube was necessary to search deeper in her memories. What I meant with time machine though is a machine able to really change the past. And well… if we assume the “Dale killed Laura in the past” it could really be considered a time machine this way, don’t you think?

[azure bay]

Laura's room wasn't entirely fake

that's one of the differences I'm talking about

[hollow igloo]

I rewritten the message because I wasn’t sure I tagged your message

[azure bay]

I don't really get what was changed by the machine

[hollow igloo]

No machine, no paradox, no Dale messing with Laura as a Corrupted Soul. Technically nothing changed since it could be considered a time loop. But maybe the machine was necessary

[azure bay]

I'm getting more confused

[hollow igloo]

I have an idea in mind, but it is probably a bit complicated to explain, sorry

[azure bay]

let's try tomorrow

[hollow igloo]

Or even later. The point is that I have to give my interpretation of Paradox first.

I tend to be a bit wordy, so it could take me a while

[azure bay]

ok, cya tomorrow then

[floral mauve]

I had the same thought before but I believe in The cave we saw physical blue cube and it’s not in a memory

I don’t think seasons is a simulation either since it’s her past memories plus, Dale also saw the room of seasons where Laura really lived

Not in some fake staged room in case 23

[azure bay]

damn...

Laura's elevator ride

that's how Dale's sacrifice could make Seasons happen

still have problems with future memories

[floral mauve]

Also I think its valuable to remind ourselves that all cubes are memories

which include blue cubes

it shouldnt be considered as a tool only

[azure bay]

Disagree

Many evidence of usage as a tool

[floral mauve]

not a tool only

[azure bay]

Nothing substancial of more than a tool

[floral mauve]

u cant deny something completely like this

itself is a memory cube

[azure bay]

Burden of proof is on you

[floral mauve]

u can still see images from blue cube in submarine

[azure bay]

That's not enough for me

Could be functionality depicted through reference

[winter scarab]

I know blue cubes exist in reality. They just havent been used in it

[floral mauve]

exactly

[winter scarab]

Only in memories do far

[floral mauve]

personally, blue cubes are too strong in terms of power

[floral mauve]

thats why I think its valuable pointing it out

they should be memory cubes

[floral mauve]

they are messing with universe laws

[azure bay]

It takes away their purpose of existance

[floral mauve]

there isnt a necessary point of existance

[azure bay]

There is in narrative

[winter scarab]

Not really. Their purpouse, atleast in birthday, is to fix traumatising memories

[floral mauve]

my personal view on blue cubes is that they are the memories that relates to regret or something u feel could have been different

[azure bay]

No, it's not. It's to roll the time back. Afterwards you can do anything you want. Fixing memories, ruining them, leaving as they are

[azure bay]

Black cubes work perfectly here

[floral mauve]

not really

regret is not negative

[winter scarab]

I mean yeah, but you said they have no purpouse

[floral mauve]

its more like neutral

[azure bay]

You imply it has not in the reality

[floral mauve]

just like in paradox

omg

I realised

in paradox

Mr Crow's psychological test is realated

[winter scarab]

We dont know that. Im just saying that potentially there is a difference between using blue cubes in memories and in reality

[floral mauve]

to three cubes

[floral mauve]

the blue cube colomn often associated with confusion and more neutral stuff

[azure bay]

It's more complicated than blue cube working consistently everywhere

[azure bay]

The why the heck we never extract blue cubes?

Laura, Bob, the guests

[floral mauve]

we did apparently

if its in the lake

it means that it has been previously extracted

[azure bay]

Not necessarily

[floral mauve]

u cant just say lake grows blue cubes

[azure bay]

Oh but I can

[winter scarab]

Blue cubes arent memories

They are a tool

[floral mauve]

then how did they appear

in the real world

[winter scarab]

Idk

[azure bay]

The lake can affect the time

[winter scarab]

In birthday there is a machine that makes them

[azure bay]

It's canon

[floral mauve]

The Mill can affect time

its a fact

but

u cant relate them

[azure bay]

I'm speaking of the lake

Forget the mill

"The lake gives me a second chance"

And the golden cube

Why isn't it a memory?

[winter scarab]

Does it have to be?

[covert wyvern]

I suppose one must wonder; what are memory cubes and what are cubes with just magical powers

[azure bay]

Following stray's logic, every cube is a memory

But the golden one is a vessel for the conceptual form of elixir

And the blue cube is a vessel for time, hence the clock imagery in the book and inside it

Black and white ones happened to carry another abstract stuff

[half elm]

Do we know how blue cubes are created though? I don't think they contain specific memories like black + white cubes... but I do believe that they're more than just a tool for time travel

[azure bay]

we can only guess

we saw one inside the clock

another one was brought by a hand via a machine

and finally one was floating in the lake

[half elm]

The cubes are feed to the lake right...? So, the lake must be also feed with blue cubes? It would feel if the lake would just naturally produce blue cubes

[covert wyvern]

I think what we know is that the lake needs to feed on memories specifically. Perhaps it does have an ability to produce blue cubes but needs to be 'supplemented' by memory cubes to stay happy / sated / whatever

I think nowhere made a good point earlier mentioning the lake granting us another chance in chap4 of case23(?) Meaning that the lake does have some manner of power of time at least even if it's just in its direct vicinity

You could argue that maybe it's just for gameplay but ig in that case thw devs could've just picked a "retry" option?

[azure bay]

it could be not the reason for blue cubes but the result of them already being there

[long smelt]

I am confused by Cube Escape Paradox chapter 2. How can Dale have memories of the future? And how can he have memories of future Laura? She is dead.

[azure bay]

these are not memories

it's his mind

it's about dealing with his present trauma caused by the past

and what he can become in the future

[long smelt]

Yeah that makes sense. But I still don't understand what connection Laura has to Dale. Why is Laura so important to Dale?

[azure bay]

they are bound by the elixir

one of them will die

the other will find enlightenment

[long smelt]

Yeah that makes kinda sense. But how can Dale be related to the elixir? I guess Laura was atomaticly bound by it since she is William

[azure bay]

she wasn't

elixir works once per life

either kills you

or grants enlightenment

and then nothing

you start over

they will both consume the elixir

it was already recreated

[long smelt]

Wait, how can Laura comsume it if she is dead? And it seems to be random wich person dies or not while drinking it. How could they be so sure that Dale will surive if he drinks it?

[azure bay]

That wasn't a problem for Caroline

Paradox is also about Dale's choice who will die and who will live

[long smelt]

I feel dumb. If Caroline knew how to make the elexir. Why did she never make it?

[azure bay]

but she did

[long smelt]

Oh, well why didn't she drink it?

[azure bay]

she consumed it in a different way

[long smelt]

Oh.

Why is it Dale that has to become elightent? Can't Mr Crow just take over after Mr Owl's death?

[azure bay]

didn't you see? they are both weak

plus, Dale will be stronger than any of them

[long smelt]

Oh

[azure bay]

Here's Caroline's elixir formula

here she consumes it with Jacob

[long smelt]

Okay, but she is already dead. And Jacob/Mr Owl didn't become immortal. So what effect did it have on her?

[azure bay]

no idea

and elixir's immortality has 1 flaw

do you remember The Cave?

[long smelt]

Yes I think so.

[azure bay]

where did they get the extract from?

[long smelt]

From dog poop if I remeber corectly.

[azure bay]

and why is it in the dog's poop?

[long smelt]

Because the dog drinked the elexir in Rusty lake roots.

[azure bay]

exactly

what happens to elixir inside the dog when it comes out with feces?

[long smelt]

Um, I don't know. Is there something extra special about the elexir just because it has been inside the dog?

[azure bay]

no

when something comes out its vessel

the quantity inside the vessel diminishes

it's just less of the elixir inside the dog

[long smelt]

Okay.

I am confused, why did Mr Crow have to drink the elexir again in the cave when he already have drinked it once?

And why didn't Mr Crow just give the elexir to Mr Owl?

[azure bay]

when?

[long smelt]

No, I meant like. Since Mr Owl didn't know how to make the elexir. Why did Mr Crow never tell Mr Owl how to make/made it for him?

[azure bay]

let's finish with the dog 1st

[long smelt]

Okay.

[azure bay]

what will happen to the dog if it continues pooping the elixir out?

[long smelt]

Um, I don't know. The elexir gets less efect?

[azure bay]

and eventually?

[long smelt]

Eventually the elexir will no longer work.

[azure bay]

you answered your question

[long smelt]

So can you Mr Crow die if he stops drinking the elexir?

[azure bay]

why not?

[long smelt]

Oh. Well that sounds dangerous. How can Mr Crow be sure the elexir won't kill him? Or are you immune from dying from the elexir if you already surived it once?

[azure bay]

he's already enlightened

[long smelt]

Okay.

But back to what I was saying. Why did Mr Crow never give the elexir to Mr Owl? Mr Owl seems like he wants it but don't know who to make it.

[azure bay]

what's more, why didn't Crow drink the full elixir himself?

I think because he can't

why?

I think he lacks some crucial knowledge

after all, William was called the last elixir creator

[long smelt]

But James manage to make a full elexir. That's why the dog is immortal.

[azure bay]

he used William's journal and likely some leftovers

[long smelt]

Oh

Why is Dale the person that has to be elightent? Why spesificly him? Why not any other random person?

[azure bay]

He'll become a god while everyone else are but demigods

I think he has a potential to overcome everyone else

[long smelt]

Okay.

Wait, why is Laura Roses daugther? Why dosen't she become Leonard or Franks doughter?

I guess it has something to do with the enconter Rose had with William as a kid

[azure bay]

neither Leonard nor Frank have a womb

[long smelt]

Oh. So Laura was born normaly? And it wasn't like when Rose was created?

[azure bay]

Rose was created relatively normally

[long smelt]

Yeah, but just to be clear. Rose gave birth to Laura.

[azure bay]

I think so

[long smelt]

And Rose was created without a woman having to physically give birth to her.

[ripe flame]

Well because here is older and in Theatre and Bday was something like deal with your past Dale plus in the end he going to Hotel. New owner of it. And in it he is older!

[azure bay]

older?

[ripe flame]

Ye

Well they draw his older

[brittle dune]

yea thats bc alberts a fuckin CREEP tho god damn

[azure bay]

you think Dale looks older in Paradox than in any previous game, correct?

[ripe flame]

In bday he is 9 years old boy, for first, and in mirror in Theatre we can see him younger than in mirror in Paradox

[long smelt]

Yes, but it had to happen no matter what. Because otherwise there wouldn't have been any woman that could gave birth to Laura.

[brittle dune]

tru tru - doesnt mean i like albert, but at least rose turned out questionably ok

[azure bay]

1. he'd be 9 yo even if he entered Bday after Paradox.
2. He's not older in Paradox. He's redesigned. Just like everything else

[lyric perch]

@ebon aspen

[ripe flame]

Okay and?

[azure bay]

you reasoning about why Paradox is after Theater if flawed

*speedrun for screenshots*

[ebon aspen]

theres a beam o light indeed, but i dont see its relation with the cigar box

[long smelt]

It seems like Rose had the best life out of all the people in the in the Vanderboom family.

[ripe flame]

Yes

[ripe flame]

Well okay I'm reasoning

[azure bay]

I'm saying that your reasons to think so are invalid

they are either irrelevant or false

[long smelt]

I never thought about it before. But now when I think about it, there isn't any references to Theather in Paradox.

[ripe flame]

Ok

[azure bay]

Dale in Theatre before and after the redesign

@ripe flame Dale in Case 23

[long smelt]

Some people feel like Leonard came out of no where in Roots. And I can understand why.

[azure bay]

is it a question or are you about to tell where Leonard came from?

[delicate atlas]

There actually is, in the brain puzzle with the elevator and rooms with water

[ripe flame]

Well- em okay 😐

[long smelt]

It's not a question.

[azure bay]

do you have other reasons to place Paradox after Theatre?

[long smelt]

I forgot about that.

[ripe flame]

Emm yes than he goes in Hotel and he is new owner about what i said, maybe, 10+ times

[azure bay]

can you explain how it indicates Paradox being the last?

[long smelt]

Well why does it matter if Paradox or Theather came first?

[ripe flame]

Because now Dale will do what Mr Owl was going??? And he will just kill people to get cubes to make an elixir but don't go in the past where he did all???

[long smelt]

And we can see memories of theather in that brain elevetor puzzle part.

[azure bay]

1. the Theatre game is not the original event of Dale going to Rusty Lake Theatre in 1971 and meeting Bob there. it's a memory cube altered by Mr. Owl in 1972 to teach Dale about samsara. Dale could have theatre memories in Paradox even before entering the Theatre cube

2. that puzzle is rather a reference that doesn't have to make sense. It features events Dale has no way of remembering. Like Arles of 1888, The Mill, The Cave, Harvey's Box.

[azure bay]

I see no problem in Dale knowing Owl's plans before Bday and Theatre.

[ripe flame]

U don't. I do.

[azure bay]

well, explain plz

[long smelt]

Why does Dale need to know about samsara? I thought samsara was only for when someone gets reincarnated?

[azure bay]

1. I want the timeline to be certain.
2. For now 1 version makes more sense than the other one.
3. I want to find the good reasoning to make of these theories better

[ripe flame]

For example, he didn't know all, Owl only prepared him for this, his words: deal with your past, for example. This means that Dale does not know everything yet. And right is plS

[azure bay]

By learning samsara he's reaching a higher state of consciousness probably required for the god form Owl planned for him

[covert wyvern]

I won't have you attacking other people's preferred way of shortening "please"

"plz" is a well known shorthand either way

[azure bay]

What didn't Dale know before Paradox?

[long smelt]

Mr Crow has a wife. I am suprised she isn't more important to the story.

[covert wyvern]

Doesn't really need to b ig? But it's a fair thing to bring up

[azure bay]

I'm not. She didn't even have her elixir

[ripe flame]

Well i think... All?

[azure bay]

what is all?

[ripe flame]

All about elixirs, about what are Mr. Owl and Mr.Crow are doing.

[long smelt]

Hmm, if Laura is William. Shouldn't she then technically know how to make the elexir? Or does memories not past on when someone is reincarnated?

[azure bay]

1. I'm not sure if Dale learnt about elixir after Paradox. He probably could but we have no evidence of that.
2. How the elixir knowledge would stop Dale from dealing with the past?
3. Which likely means to literally deal with the past. To change it so it's no longer painful.

[azure bay]

yes and no

Laura has William's memories somewhere deep. Otherwise the golden cube would be impossible.
But I don't think Laura actually recalls them since reincarnations are as frequent as deaths and almost nobody remembers their past lives

[ripe flame]

Okay and what about my second example?

[azure bay]

honestly, I'm struggling to understand not only your logic but also your phrasings.

Could you please repeat it and also simplify it to make sure I get you?

[long smelt]

Why is Williams soul corupted? And why was it important that he got reincarnated?

James soul didn't get corupted when he drank the elexir.

[ripe flame]

The problem is
I am bad at English
Not the worst
But not the best

[azure bay]

Either elixir made him so or some negative emotions. At least in the beginning the brothers made a deal and prepared the tree ritual beforehand. Maybe Owl also was personally interested in William but I can't tell for sure.

James may or may not become a CS off screen.

[azure bay]

that's ok, practice makes perfect.

Just slow down a little

[ripe flame]

Okay I'll try

Repeat the question on what I must make an answer about why I think what I don't remember sorry

[azure bay]

you said you have the second argument I didn't address. What was it?

[long smelt]

I am cunfused here. Did William become Laura just so she could then later die?

[azure bay]

I don't know. Owl's plans concerning Laura before she died are beyond me

and I'm very confused by "the fate of Rusty Lake lies in this small seed"

[long smelt]

Yeah, same.

[azure bay]

in 1972 they needed William's memories for elixir. But they likely didn't think about recreating elixir before it was too late

otherwise they wouldn't have lose William's journal

used by James

[long smelt]

Okay.

[azure bay]

or maybe the journal wasn't enough...

[long smelt]

Yeah.

Wait, if Mr Owl was born in 1795 (I think that the time he was born because it's when paradise takes place) How can he still be alive in 1971 in Caves?

That's to large time gap for him to still be alive without the elexir.

[azure bay]

I think they had some leftovers after William

The devs said that Bat and Toad used to be humans

before working for Owl

then at some point they had the dog

[long smelt]

Oh.

[ripe flame]

I think Dale is just starting his journey, besides, everything Dale does in those first two seems to be that he only deals with those CS because paradoxically he is already taking a test and getting to know everyone better, which makes me think that paradox later than the first two

[azure bay]

what CS does he deal with?

@ripe flame

[long smelt]

Hmm, what does th second ending mean in Cube Escape the lake? The ending where the corupted soul is destoyed/defeted.

[azure bay]

it can mean many different things I'll cover in my upcoming video

[long smelt]

Wait, you make videos?

[azure bay]

started this year

I have one recapping Laura's early arc

before Dale was a thing

but kept theories for the part 2 for length reasons

[long smelt]

You mean before Dale was ever mentioned in any game? Or in the story? Because Dale is older then Laura.

[azure bay]

yes

Seasons The Lake HB

[long smelt]

Okay.

[ripe flame]

Wdym? I know he has deal with his corrupted soul

[azure bay]

making sure I get you

but how is it relevant for Bday and Theatre?

[ripe flame]

In Bday and Theatre we can see as he second normal second CS

[azure bay]

that could be started by Paradox

funny that you mentioned it

Cause he started flickering between human and corrupted state after he was disconnected from the machine in The Cave

then he enters the elevator, still flickering and starts his journey upwards

and in Bday/Theatre he's still on that journey

Bday/Theatre take place after The Cave

While, as we seemingly settled previously, Paradox takes place during The Cave

What's more, the past mind of Paradox makes no sense if it's after Birthday

cause in Birthday Dale's cube about that event turned white

the memory was painful no more

he saved or thought he saved his family

and in Paradox, in his very mind, they die again

that makes no sense if Paradox is after Bday

but perfectly does if otherwise

@long smelt you may be interested as well

[long smelt]

Yeah I am intressed.

I had theory that the arm we see in cave and is feed to the dog is Mr Owls arm. Because he is missing an arm in Paradox. And he is the only one missing an arm in the series. But that dosen't make sence. Mr Owl was stuck in that suit in Caves.

[long smelt]

Seasons is confusing. How can Laura have memories from the 80's if she died in the 70's?

[azure bay]

we play as her CS

[long smelt]

So that mean we don't know when Laura's corupted soul is re-living those memories.

[azure bay]

I'm sure it's not long after the actual winter 1981

[long smelt]

Hmm, it feels so odd that a part of Seasons takes place in the 80's. It's the only time the series takes place after the 70's.

[azure bay]

the only time in a game

but there was also an ARG

featuring an event in 2000 and several in 2020

[long smelt]

What is an ARG?

[azure bay]

alternate reality game

[long smelt]

Okay. So is the past within that arg?

[azure bay]

no

[long smelt]

Oh.

[azure bay]

arg isn't a normal game

it's organized on the internet and sometimes in the reality

very often they feature fictive web sites

with hidden clues

[long smelt]

Okay.

[azure bay]

long story short RL have hidden plastic black cubes all around the world for the 3rd TWD ending

[long smelt]

What game is TWD?

Now I get it. It's The White door. Sorry, I still haven't learnd all acronymes yet.

[ripe flame]

Oh well okay

[brittle dune]

correct me if anythings wrong/im missing smth so far i just started working on making a full comp of notes on rl

[azure bay]

There are some problems with Aldous being Dale's grandpa

then I think that the songstress isn't really the Lady of the Lake. It's rather her stage name or the opera title

[ripe flame]

Lady of the Lake is Pheasent

[azure bay]

at least they share a ton of vibes

[ripe flame]

Ye

[ripe flame]

Just find a letter or note In Pheasant room where it says about lady of the lake and another

[azure bay]

not really

it's lady in blue on her poster

but the dress, the hat, the job and the music theme are in common

[ripe flame]

Pheasant is in blue dress for example

[ripe flame]

Plus Mr Owl in the Cave says Dale's journey is about to start so you are right

[azure bay]

And also Owl misses no arm

[long smelt]

Sorry, he was just holding his arm behind his back.

To me it looked like his arm was missing.

[azure bay]

and also he isn't burnt Darth Vader style

[long smelt]

It makes me wonder. Who's arm is that we feed to the dog in Cave?

[azure bay]

just a random arm

[long smelt]

Oh.

[sage token]

it was my arm and I want it back

[long smelt]

Why do Mr Eilander need to kill Dales parents? And who is Mr Eilander? Is he Mr Rabbit from the hotel?

[azure bay]

D. is very likely David

he came for the pistol from his past life

the one Ms. Pheasant killed herself with

[long smelt]

Well why is the pistol so important to? And why does Dale parents have it?

[azure bay]

"this substance of my past life is my only chance to escape this state"

and why? 3 versions

1. if Crow is grandpa (which isn't certain yet), he could take it.
2. if Owl knew about dale already then (which isn't certain too), he could slip the pistol into their house
3. it could get there randomly. It's fate

[long smelt]

Well Grampa probably isn't Mr Crow. He looks nothing like Aldous.

And if my thoery is corect on Mr Crow being James father. Then that would mean that Dales parents is James and Mary. That is imposeble. And as far as we know, Dale isn't related to the Vanderboom family.

From Paradox we learn that Dales last name is Vandermeer. Not Vanderboom.

[analog yacht]

Owl and Dale aren't directly related to the Vanderbooms as far as I'm aware

[lyric perch]

Is this Mr. Bat?

Did he get struck by light too or what

[ebon aspen]

Could be mr bat, could be a normal bat
Just dont see how it affects anything

Nice detail anyways

[ivory girder]

i mean mr crow is basically immortal so he can marry with other women if his wife is dead

like are we sure the woman in the mill is his only wife lol

[lyric perch]

Wth

I came on discord and the game music is still heard

[long smelt]

Yeah true. But there still isn't any proof that Mr Crow is related to Dale.

[ivory girder]

there is kinda proof that mr crow is related to crow tho

ya know grandpa has the recipe of the gin tonic in his pocket

it's not really an evidence but there's kinda some relation there

[long smelt]

Yes, but that dosen't mean he is Mr Crow. He can't be the only on in the whole universe with that recipe in there pocket.

[ivory girder]

i know

also when dale shaves his beard it turns out to be a young crow
it's a stretch that it really means anything but idk lol

what i'm trying to say that there is some kind of relation between them but the evidences are kinda vague but it's not like impossible for crow to be grandpa

[long smelt]

Well, there is a thoery that Grampa isn't really in Birthday. The memory could of have been edited. Grandpa could of have been added in to msje the memory good.

We see two times when Birthday is refrenced in Paradox and we never see grandpa in thoes refrences.

[azure bay]

probably right conclusions based on wrong reasons.

1. Granpda looks a lot like aldous. Compare him to all Aldous' appearances as a human
2. Grandpa being Aldous wouldn't mean James being the father. He's likely to have another life with another family.
3. Aldous was officially dead for almost a century. He wouldn't probably use his real last name. And even if he would, he could be the maternal grandfather

[azure bay]

That would imply that asuras can turn into animals of go feral. Both require stronger evidence.

[azure bay]

the look is the only strong evidence. Gin Tonic recipe in his pocket is weaker but still notorious. And there can be many weak pieces evidence bent in favor of this theory

[azure bay]

Or Crow could pretend to be grandpa in order to oversee Dale inside the memory

[undone willow]

Hello everyone! I'm a fan of Rusty Lake from China! In China we have a discussion group NO-official and we have some descoveries and hypothesis about the Rusty Lake story. I would like to share those with fans of the rest of the world. We would be glad to receive every conment, thanks guys!

[azure bay]

@floral mauve your niche is about to be stolen

[floral mauve]

How so

[azure bay]

when are we starting?

[undone willow]

@azure bay I'm still organizing our materials, but I think I'd like to start with the relationship between Laura and William. This is a big lie.

@azure bay also I need to translate all into English😵‍💫

@azure bay i only have spare time this Sunday, so I don't know the accurate time.

[floral mauve]

If you have any problem with this just dm me in Chinese

They don’t have a suitable channel here yet

[undone willow]

@floral mauve thanks!

[undone willow]

Hello everyone, I'm Clara. I choose to start our analysis of the Rusty Lake Series by the relationship between Laura and William, because I think it can be regarded as the foundation of the Cube Escape Series. In Roots we know that Mr. Crow collects 10 organs of the Vanderboom family in order to resurrect his brother William. In the end of Roots, Rose gave birth to a baby that seems to be William's reborn, and this baby is the main character of Cube Escape, Laura Vanderboom. But is it the truth?
In Cube Escape, we see Laura is haunted by a corrupted soul and finally the nightmare leads her to death. Who is he? The most reasonable explanation is William. In Samsara Room, William experiences the six paths. But something goes wrong, which is presented in the hidden shrimp chapter. After the bird chapter, William is reborn as a new baby. That's the ideal result, but the truth is William enters the shrimp chapter and sees Rose and Laura. We know the reality is the birth of Laura, and that leads us to the only explanation of the failure of William's rebirth.
Of course there is other evidence that can support the theory, we will talk about it in the future.

[azure bay]

What can you tell on these 4 screenshots?

[undone willow]

Sorry who is the white-hair old?

[azure bay]

It's... William

[floral mauve]

Do u mean William?

[undone willow]

Sorry I forgot. I think this shows the process of gain the golden cube. William influences on Laura and white and black cubes are extracted from her. Then adds blue cube (still unrevealed its origin) and we get the golden one.

[azure bay]

but William's picture was folded into Laura's one

and Laura is the reborn mind

ok, more screenshots

The most mind-blowing for the dessert

Laura's corrupted soul

and her memory cube

[undone willow]

Sorry, I don't see how this proves something.

[azure bay]

ok, let me explain

we have a sequence of smooth transitions of William making the elixir, dying from it, turning into corrupted soul, turning into Laura whos memories feature William's knowledge about elixir

[undone willow]

No why Laura has knowledge about the elixir?

[azure bay]

Because she is William? But ok, not literally. It's just lost somewhere deep inside her.

[quick birch]

Hello

So ehem

While playing paradox

1 or 2 I dont remember

I accidentally opened a secret ending.

Using the clock

The I got a shrimp coctail

I gave it to the hand behing the red curtain

It took it

I think it was someone from the hotel

[floral mauve]

solid

[azure bay]

pretty much

[azure bay]

you'll be surprised

it's 1/5 of the actual secret ending

[quick birch]

Yeah

Lets say a secret

Uhh

YES

An easter egg

Ok

[azure bay]

did you finish the chapter back then?

[quick birch]

Yeah

[azure bay]

then you must've seen the great reveal of who's hiding behind the curtain

[quick birch]

Only If I remembered...

It was a whole year ago

[azure bay]

great excuse to replay the game

or maybe even the series

[quick birch]

Thats not what I tried to say tho

But nvm

It was prob mr owl right

[floral mauve]

[azure bay]

idk what he's trying to say but u're correct

[azure bay]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

• Caroline's samsara wheel
• The ritual tree from Roots
• RL MH&F program (seen in The Cave)
• Caroline's elixir formula
• Paradox cubes

I guess, I know what kind of merch I'd like to see in stock

[hollow igloo]

That would be cool af

[long smelt]

If Mr Crow is Dales grandpa and Mr Crow is importal. How was he then able to die in Birthday?

I know he gets revived. But that's beside the point. How was he able to die at all?

[hollow raptor]

i think the elixir only makes one immune to dying of old age and illnesses, because the guests in hotel were able to die from poison/being deadly wounded, so a shot to the head would probably kill mr crow

[long smelt]

Well there is no prof that says that the hotel guests are imortal.

[azure bay]

no one gets revived

only reborn

[long smelt]

Oh

[azure bay]

ok, one can possibly be revived via cube travel.

but Crow and Owl if they could do that would find more use for this

and solve many problems they face

[long smelt]

Yeah true.

If Lauras point was to die. Did Mr Owl make sure that Laura is attack by her corupted soul?

[azure bay]

why exactly her soul?

[long smelt]

I don't know.

If people becomes corupted souls after they die. How can Laura corupted soul attack her?

[azure bay]

CS seemingly have special relations with time and space

but even then that's not the reason to kill Laura

btw

all the scenes of a CS killing Laura are metaphorical

no cs killed Laura (directly)

but still could indirectly

[long smelt]

Just because someone attacks someone dosen't mean that they murder the person.

[azure bay]

what attack are you talking about then?

[long smelt]

Sorry, I think I had the wrong wording. I meant that she is taunted by her corupted soul.

[azure bay]

when?

[long smelt]

Well she was tauntede/haunted by her corupted soul. I think that's one of the reasons she killed her self.

[azure bay]

when was she haunted?

[long smelt]

In Cube Escape the lake.

[azure bay]

The lake is literally haunted by many different souls. Why should it be exactly Laura's?

[long smelt]

I don't know.

I just saw a thoery video that said Laura killed her self whil öe being taunted by her corupted soul.

[azure bay]

If it was a theory, it was probably presented with evidence

otherwise it has no use

[long smelt]

Yeah your right.

But to be fair. He corupted soul had some effect on why she killed her self. We often she Lauras corupted soul kill her.

Even though the corupted soul didn't kill her derectly. It still had effect on why she comited suciade.

[azure bay]

we have 2 contradicting evidence

1. CS could represent her depression
2. in Paradox it's Dale's CS

[long smelt]

That dosen't make sence. Why would Dale's CS kill Laura?

[azure bay]

Laura's CS doing that makes even less sense

because it's Laura's CS who revives her

but why would Dale's one?

for example, for the same reason as in Paradox

just aggression

maybe directed by Owl's crew

[long smelt]

But in Seasons we see a corupted soul kill Laura.

And it's imposeble it's Dale's CS in Seasons.

[azure bay]

why?

[long smelt]

Because

1. Dale didn't exist yet in the games.
2. Seasons is only about Lauras memories. Why would Dale's corupted soul be there?

[azure bay]

1. The whole series is one big twin peaks reference. If there's some dead Laura, some Dale is already somewhere nearby investigating her death

2. If Laura met Dale's CS, she would see Dale's CS in her memories

[long smelt]

And Laura probably never meet Dale before she died.

[azure bay]

that's Dale's CS we're speaking of

not Dale

[long smelt]

Okay.

But Dale is not in Seasons. And we don't know how long Laura was dead before Dale investigated her.

[azure bay]

We are speaking of Dale's CS

not Dale

[long smelt]

Yeah. But why would Dales CS make it seem like Dale's CS killed Laura?

[azure bay]

eh

what?

[floral mauve]

if u are using paradox

then its just not valid

its in his subconsciousness

[long smelt]

And how is Seasons even possible. We know that laura dosen't have her memories any more after Mill.

[azure bay]

I'm going into global Paradox

[azure bay]

Why couldn't Laura steal her memories back?

[long smelt]

Fair point.

Or maybe she was just viewing the memories like Dale did with some of his memories.

[azure bay]

she did

but she needed to get to her cubes 1st

[long smelt]

Yeah.

I feel like the memories in Seasons have been altered a bit. Seasons is the only time we see Laura die without getting slit in the throat

[azure bay]

you are wrong

it's still there

[long smelt]

Oh.

Sorry, it was me that remember wrong. For some reason I always though she get stabed in the back in Seasons.

[azure bay]

did you check?

[long smelt]

Yep, I check.

[azure bay]

good

verifying info is a virtue

[long smelt]

Yeah that is true.

Hmm, now when I think about it. William getitng reborn as Laura is the only time we see someone getting reborn and becoming the opposite gender.

[azure bay]

no

also Harvey

it started laying eggs after becoming a bird

[long smelt]

Oh.

Hmmm, if Mr Owl never drank the elexir. How can he switch between being a human and being an owl like Mr Crow can?

[azure bay]

Owl didn't drink but consume it

[long smelt]

Well technically it was Jacob that comsumed it. But yeah your right.

[azure bay]

there's almost no difference

[long smelt]

Yeah.

But why did Jacob comsume Caroline? If both Caroline and Jacob isn't Mr Owl, then why do Caroline never gets reborn like the rest of her family?

[azure bay]

that's how elixir works

one is sacrificed so the other gets enlightened

always 2

and the rest of the family had their separate ritual

[long smelt]

So if Caroline didn't try to comsume the elexir. She would of have gotten reborn like the rest of her family?

[azure bay]

unlikely

she was dead before the ritual

and Jacob would stay dead

I mean

she'll probably be reborn

we don't know for sure

[long smelt]

Okay.

[azure bay]

she won't be enlightened by then

[long smelt]

Hmmm, there is something intressting about Paradise. It seems like Caroline's CS is only appearing for Jacob. Can corupted souls choose wich persons they can be seen by?

[azure bay]

I think yes

Vanderbooms were mostly ignorant of William's presence

only the clairvoyants and those who was close to death

[long smelt]

Hnmnm, but some how Rose knew there was a ghost or corupted soul before she talked to William. Why would she have a oujia board otherwise?

And how would William know that he should show him self to Rose before talking to her?

[azure bay]

she's a rather unusual girl

and her mother was a clairvoyant

[long smelt]

Yeah, that makes sence.

Rose is cool. ^_^

[kindred grove]

What would I do here

[covert wyvern]

there's a piece of paper that shows you how the animals need to be aligned!

but please refer any future cube escape questions to #cube-escape-series-help

[winter scarab]

Ive been thinking. Its probably not very fun for William Vanderboom to go through getting all the sacrifices and having his family killed in the process, only to be reborn as Laura who eventually will again turn into a corrupted soul

[floral mauve]

I made a meme for this

[azure bay]

That's why I'm sure it wasn't William to kill Laura

[winter scarab]

?

Im unfamiliar with this

[azure bay]

William wanted to live

And suddenly he changes his mind?

He's too good for such a drag as Laura?

[winter scarab]

Whatss the white door about? Im having trouble figuring out Robert's storyline

[analog yacht]

The short answer is Robert getting therapy for his grief due to the loss of his girlfriend, Laura (both break-up and then death).

Then of course, there are memory shenanigans

[winter scarab]

Yeah but at one point he commits suicide, and also he is interviewed by Dale, kills an officer. When do all these things happen? Why does mr owl need him in the white door?

[bold sigil]

From what I can tell
He's broken up with by Laura
Laura dies
Dale meets Robert at the theater
Robert shoots himself and is corrupted
Robert is brought in for questioning
Robert is corrupted, kills the officer, and escapes
Robert ends up at the White Door
Mr Owl wants him there because his memories of Laura might be valuable

[winter scarab]

I dont think he couldve survived shooting himself in the head

[ebon aspen]

the theatre pretty much wasnt a real place

it was part of dale's memories + mr owl and mr crow doing their stuff

[floral mauve]

I thought the same and ppl told me that there is still a 5% survival rate

speaking of wounds, ppl told me that its artistic detail stuff

I stay unconvinced but whatever

[winter scarab]

He has memories of it in the white door

[floral mauve]

notice the difference?

[winter scarab]

?

[floral mauve]

comparing CE theatre and twd theatre

[winter scarab]

I guess no?

[floral mauve]

both are not that reliable but I take twd a more realistic one

[floral mauve]

so u think there is no alteration

[winter scarab]

I mean, I just didnt notice anything

[floral mauve]

and in twd theatre happened the exact same thing happened is CE theatre

[floral mauve]

its simple

for example

Bob shot himself quite early in twd comparing to CE

and there is no demonstration of how exactly did Dale take Bob's memories

[azure bay]

In Dale's case. TWD indicates that it could be real

2 different people see the same things (some of them ofc)

[azure bay]

that doesn't have to be Dale

Crow who happened to be nearby was more competent in that

[azure bay]

@floral mauve are you able to counter that?

[floral mauve]

maybe its Owl or Crow or Dale

I dont need to counter it

we just arent certain

[azure bay]

no, I think we have to counter that if we want an alternative

since 2 unreliable narrators are less probable than 1

[floral mauve]

we dont even know did Bob lose his memories for certain in theatre

it might be another puzzle for Dale and Bob was just a puzzle npc

in CE

[azure bay]

it's not about memories

it's about the shot

[floral mauve]

here we go again

I still insist

I doubt the existence of shot

if that shot is real

its simply risky

since Bob has some leftover value

[azure bay]

and in order to justify that doubt you need to explain how we get 2 unreliable narrators at the same time

[floral mauve]

both have mental issues

and we can only see through them

both got their memories distorted somehow

we can only guess

I take Bob's more realistic doesnt mean all the little details are real

[azure bay]

what I'm asking for is a thought through guess

[floral mauve]

what are u looking for

I dont even know the topic

[azure bay]

the question

if the shot was an illusion

or unreal otherwise

why did Dale see it?

at least in memories

[floral mauve]

puzzle purpose and a part of Owl's lecture

I mean puzzle purpose in terms of Owl giving challenges

to Dale

[azure bay]

here we are

Owl's lesson

that's a good answer

I'm not taking "for the puzzle sake" here

[floral mauve]

I dont mean gameplay

I mean its a part of challenges that Dale is facing

during his journey

complete the show

[azure bay]

ok, cause otherwise the shot itself was not a puzzle but a pantomime

[floral mauve]

reaching a higher state of consciousness

[azure bay]

btw

I can imagine not Dale doing that even in the memory

[floral mauve]

not doing what

[azure bay]

going into brains for memories

[floral mauve]

I think so as well

He is disgusted by fish and according to his acting in Paradox

probably he doesnt like gore stuff

[azure bay]

He has to deal with that

it's his job

[floral mauve]

yea

he made a disgusting coffee using sussy liquid for Mr Crow

thats my top 3 disgusted part of RL

[ebon dew]

He's not disgusted by fish, he's afraid of them

His file lists ichthyophobia

[high talon]

Disgust could also be a fear response wdym?

[floral mauve]

Rewind time baby

is my guess gonna turn out to be real

but I still dont understand about the hotel room key

[covert wyvern]

i think we'll find out.

[vague imp]

has anyone ever thought ab laura actually being emma not william

[covert wyvern]

I think that's pretty much debunked by the entirety of roots and samsara room

but its an interesting premise,.

[vague imp]

i honestly dont understand, why?

[ivory girder]

if emma really reincarnated into anybody, it would be dale most likely i think

[vague imp]

interesting

i could elaborate for a long time ab how i think laura is emma tho

[covert wyvern]

mostly because the entire game of roots is William specifically looking for reincarnation

it would be interesting if RL just 180'd on us and the reicarnated soul isnt william at all

but im inclined to think that it is considering the fat corpse in Samsara room

[floral mauve]

ok so I feel like I need to reconstruct the trip theory after confirmed by devs today. According to the new announcement, Laura seems to be not young but baby, which suggests that Rose left the RL right after Laura was born or in a few months. If its going all correctly, I assume they moved to nyc since Bob lives there, but I dont have any explaination for Rose to do that.
From twd, the easter egg by the end, Laura draw the Hotel and said its a place she know, which suggests that she has been there and could possibly be the Room 6, but then whats with the contest from the newspaper, she just wanted to have a free trip to go back to her hometown?

my head is a mess

sorry

[covert wyvern]

I think its good to recap like this

I agree that Laura being a baby is Interesting

bc it would indeed imply Rose noping out of there real fast lol

[ivory girder]

i mean i would if i were her too

[floral mauve]

so many questions

she could move to somewhere closer but yet she chose nyc

[vague imp]

...thats what i find weird, williams soul follows laura even after hes "reincarnated"? i could elaborate a lot

[ivory girder]

wait when did albert die and when was laura born again

tpw has to be like between that right

[floral mauve]

Albert died in 1926

Laura was born in 1936 I think

[ivory girder]

oh so it's a pretty long gap

[floral mauve]

10 years gap

[ivory girder]

a lot can happen in 10 years hmmm

[winter scarab]

I know Ive been asking a lot of questions latelly 😅 , but I was wondering: How did the rest of the Eilanders get enlightened? Was it at the same time as Mr Owl was created?

[delicate atlas]

Did you play paradise?

[winter scarab]

No

[delicate atlas]

The answer is there

[winter scarab]

Ah

[delicate atlas]

If you can't buy it watch a playthrough of it

Or a video explaining the timeline of rusty lake

[winter scarab]

Is it like a secret cutscene or something? Ive watched playthroughs of it and dont remember them also being enlightened, only Jacob and his mom turning into Mr Owl

or maybe I just skipped over something

Also

A more rhetorical question: If Laura/William were enlightened, what would their animal be?

[delicate atlas]

Oh

They sacrificed Jacob to get enlightened

That was their plan all along

[winter scarab]

Ah i see

[delicate atlas]

But he got enlightened as a side effect

They didn't see it coming

[delicate atlas]

Good question

[winter scarab]

Interesting how many ways there are to become enlightened

[delicate atlas]

True

I want to say parrot

Because of || old laura in paradox having harvey on her shoulder ||

But we already have a parrot

Aka Harvey

[floral mauve]

from the game we see three ways: 1. ritual 2. Elixir 3. Harvey

no idea how Harvey gets to asura

[delicate atlas]

I'll make Laura/William a phenix

Because reincarnation

Or being reborn

[winter scarab]

Harvey and the Bat are on the same level it seems

[delicate atlas]

Good observation

[floral mauve]

bat and toad are all elixir I believe

since devs said that they were humans

[winter scarab]

Really?

Didnt know that

[floral mauve]

last summer q and a

[winter scarab]

Perhaps Harvey is more a messenger of the Lake itself than an enlightened being

[floral mauve]

maybe

probably we gotta wait a year

to see how mammoth turns out

[winter scarab]

mammoth?

[floral mauve]

yes

mammoth

it is a candidate after tpw and young laura game

[winter scarab]

Could I get some context?

[floral mauve]

related to ancient RL and hopefully origin of Harvey

[winter scarab]

First time hearing about this

[floral mauve]

emmm, maybe Damy could answer it better @covert wyvern

sorry for the ping

[covert wyvern]

nah ur alway allowed to ping me

whether or not i reply is a different matter

anyway @winter scarab regarding the mammoth; there was a teaser timeline a few years ago where the mammoth was featured

it was also featured in the recent roadmap

so yes it would make sense for a mammoth game to appear after Metro and TPW

[winter scarab]

Oh I see

[delicate atlas]

Is the game title confirmed to be metro?

Because that's so funny to me 💀

[covert wyvern]

o nah it hasnt

as a mod i do not have more knowledge than you do

[winter scarab]

Rose is going Subway surfing

[floral mauve]

thx Damy

[winter scarab]

Sometimes I wonder what sort of 4 Dimensional thinking the developers have to make sens of all the lore

The Laura/Dale timeline still seems so confusing