🤔｜theories

[azure bay]

is it question? is it theory? Can u elaborate?

[charred forum]

theory which is being ready

[azure bay]

Still don't get you

[charred forum]

yea im bad at explaining

[rapid shuttle]

Just ran to play the reincarnation room 😂

Is it true that in the nine-part series, all kinds of little blacks have evolved in this way?

Put on different offerings to turn into fish, birds, earthworms and black 🤔

[azure bay]

Samsara Room is William's perception of the afterlife

It either happens on another plain of the reality or doesn't happen at all

So is true for everyone else

And it's impossible to tell

[rapid shuttle]

OK

I just ran to play root

Fully connected to this story 😂

[azure bay]

You were meant to play Roots before SR

[rapid shuttle]

I absolutely fell in love with the plot of Xiuhu

What is the story of Baimen?

Still nothing to do with the plot 🤔

[azure bay]

A firendly advice

[rapid shuttle]

I currently play the nine parts first, then take root and then reincarnate

[azure bay]

Don't put the names into translator

[rapid shuttle]

learn

Because it will be messed up 😂

[azure bay]

I'm glad you get me

[rapid shuttle]

🤔?

The White Door

This is telling the story

[delicate atlas]

The White Door tells the story of the blonde dead woman's boyfriend

[delicate atlas]

^

Also, use this translator, it's better than google translation

[azure bay]

I'm surprised

[delicate atlas]

Lmao why

[azure bay]

Did you already know about it or just reserched?

[delicate atlas]

I know about it

I'm learning Chinese as a hobby

I took a course once in uni but it was too short

They taught us 10 words and dipped 💀

[floral mauve]

shhhh....Damy is watching

[delicate atlas]

LMAO

True

[azure bay]

That explains everything. Thx. Yeah, Let's cut it off

[covert wyvern]

I always am;)

I was about to redirext yall

thanks and happy translating!

[delicate atlas]

No problem 👍

[rapid shuttle]

Playing the white door is really exciting... Mr. Owl, the blackened Bob and the scenes in the theater

[covert wyvern]

haha ye! you got any theories about em?

[azure bay]

or at least any question

[charred forum]

a theory question, is bob the deer-successor

[ebon aspen]

If one person is to be the next deer guy, thats dale
Bob will just continue to be bob

[charred forum]

i thought dale was owl now

in white door, he is deer, but we dont know completly yet (at least just me)

[azure bay]

Dale was depicted as deer in Paradox 1st time

[vale marsh]

I'm going to say that if anyone wants me to research anything related to the RL series (Like animal species or similar scientific devices to what is shown in the games), I love doing that stuff.

especially if it leads to theory fodder.

[azure bay]

a good topic to research is neurology

[vale marsh]

Is there anything you're trying to find in particular?

[azure bay]

y'know the memories are shown realistically when they are part of the brain

[vale marsh]

???

[azure bay]

even Hoorn speaks of brain electricity and neuroimaging

[vale marsh]

Who was Hoorn again?

[azure bay]

on of TWD Doctors

he was a central figure of the ARG

[vale marsh]

Oh yeah... I still need to play that.

[azure bay]

I know there are different types of memory

I'd like to know which ones would fit into cubes

[vale marsh]

I know I watched someone's playthrough a while ago, but you catch different stuff when you play a game for yourself

I know that Hotel has an interesting diagram in Miss Pidgeon's room.

[floral mauve]

she is the first person who studies both cubes I believe

I dont think Caroline mentioned anything about white cube

[azure bay]

she mentioned no cube color

just memoreis

[vale marsh]

Should I start with Hotel or Paradise? (I mention those two as those are the games I currently have on this computer)

since it seems both have some leads I can follow.

[azure bay]

I guess I misunderstood you

I was speaking of the topic outside RL

some real science

and how it could be reflected in the games

[vale marsh]

I will go to some real life stuff.

I just want to start with the games for a refresher.

[azure bay]

ok, Start with The Mill then

[vale marsh]

Also miss Pigeon has some cool devices I wanna find real life equivalents from.

[azure bay]

Hotel and Paradise will also do, I guess

[vale marsh]

I don't have the collection downloaded here atm.

[azure bay]

an electric chair

[vale marsh]

I could start up the old computer, but I'm lazy.

[vale marsh]

You know, I was thinking that, but was hesitant since the bird doesn't die.

[azure bay]

downloading The Mill on android wouldn't take long

[azure bay]

it depends on the current

electricity kills when you overdo

[vale marsh]

As someone who got their finger between a charger and the socket, I understand.

[floral mauve]

u need more water to kill someone when electrocute

[azure bay]

u need more dirty water*

[vale marsh]

I'm not talking about Miss Pigeon.

also I'm upset since when I loaded Hotel it started me at the forest and now I have to play the game over cause my perfectionist butt won't let me sacrifice stars over research.

[azure bay]

0_o

[floral mauve]

wha

[covert wyvern]

no I think that;s fair.

besides id argue, theorising wise, you'd get the most content out of a perfect clear, wouldn;'t you

[floral mauve]

do they have a room selection menu

[covert wyvern]

if only

[vale marsh]

I think it has to do with when I left the game last time.

You can replay the rooms.

[floral mauve]

I guess so

[covert wyvern]

aye but there;s no convenient like hey go here now menu like TWD has, for example

[vale marsh]

I did it last time for achievement hunting. So when I left the game I was finally handing the deer to mr. Owl for the second time in a row because I failed to stab that darn butterfly.

[floral mauve]

indeed

that makes the achievement hunting so much easier

[vale marsh]

Yeah... you have to wait for night and remember what door they are at.

At least this time it says I still have all 3 star dinners.

Do I just say "screw it" and go straight for Miss Pidgeon's door?

Since she has the stuff I'm looking for.

[analog yacht]

Might as well! Since it's mostly for research

[vale marsh]

Actually, I might go to Mr. Deer first, since he also has some strange stuff.

[floral mauve]

I mean why would u want all ingredient

just for cigar?

[vale marsh]

I'm a perfectionist.

[floral mauve]

BRUH

[vale marsh]

There is a "right" and "wrong" way to go through the doors of hotel, and I don't like doing things the "wrong" way.

Anyways, looking at Mr. Deer's room... seems like the lake might be deeper than it should be?

[floral mauve]

wdym

how deep should it be

[vale marsh]

If he was looking for a way down, then it might mean that it is an unusual depth. Or at least, I doubt you can see the bottom.

(Yes, I know I could've screenshotted it)

[azure bay]

f12

[vale marsh]

But his plan says "Hotel height?"
"What is in the lake?" "Is there a way down?" And "water samples"

(I know how to take a screenshot)

[floral mauve]

I think thats his plan

a lake detective

Mr Deer is Dale confirmed

[covert wyvern]

O jeez you were able to understand that handwriting

LMAO

[vale marsh]

The Rs and Ps look a bit weird, but it seems to be decent cursive.

also my cursive s looks a lot like his

If anyone is curious, the one I didn't mention said "walls"

[vale marsh]

I guess, to put it simply, "takes one to know one."

[vale marsh]

Okay, looking at Ms. Pigeon's room... she seems to be trying to use electricity to extract cubes?

Given her drawings, it seems like it was specifically black cubes.

[azure bay]

screenshots plz

[vale marsh]

See how the lines match up in both drawings.

And yeah, looks like her plan was to kill the little bird. But I keep feeling like the device is modeled after the elevator.

But it is really just because of the two poles at the top. Those might be for extracting the cubes in her case.

[floral mauve]

I would say rather than kill the bird, she wants to torture and possibly cause a corruption or she probably has no idea how to make happy memory so goes for painful ones first

[vale marsh]

well, Xs in anyone's eyes typically stands for death.

[floral mauve]

idk

[vale marsh]

or that they don't have that eye, but still.

[floral mauve]

could be passed out

coma

[vale marsh]

Possibly. I don't want to sound like the expert in emotions/faces.

[azure bay]

both cubes

[vale marsh]

One cube doesn't have the lines, implying it is a white cube.

[azure bay]

yeah, that's what I'm saying

[azure bay]

to this.

[vale marsh]

But the drawing with only one cube is shaded & shows the electricity.

[floral mauve]

yea she is into creating black cube first

I guess

[azure bay]

Don't tell me that the helmet giving both cubes has nothing to do with electricity

btw

soooooooon

[vale marsh]

I'm not saying that.

At least, not intentionally.

I'm interpreting it as her studies being geared more towards black cubes than white ones.

[azure bay]

I don't see it like that

one diagram tells that electricity makes the cubes come out (like in general)

and the other shows both cubes

[vale marsh]

Ohhhh. That makes more sense.

[long copper]

looking for TPW Chinese partner

[floral mauve]

wrong channel

[floral mauve]

#🔎｜find-lite-partner

[long copper]

yeah, i just noticed that, sorry

[rugged silo]

Why r there white cubes and black ones

Wuts the difference

[floral mauve]

Have u played the mill

[rugged silo]

Is it from the cube coll

[floral mauve]

yes

[rugged silo]

No

[floral mauve]

then u should

its free on mobile

[rugged silo]

Bet

Nah i got them all on pc

[floral mauve]

I see

[rugged silo]

But never played

Any

[floral mauve]

bruh

then why are you here😵

if u havent played any of the games

[rugged silo]

Actually i played the 2st one but graphics r shit

[floral mauve]

whats 2st

The Lake?

[rugged silo]

Nono ive played

Ive played all rusty lake games except cube collection

[floral mauve]

Oh I see

[rugged silo]

Just the graphics

[floral mauve]

Hotel might give u an idea

of black cubes

and Paradise

[rugged silo]

Hmm

White cubes r memories

[floral mauve]

they are all memories

[rugged silo]

But

[floral mauve]

White ones are considered to be good memories of the past

[rugged silo]

Nvm that gonna sound racist af

[floral mauve]

and black ones are the painful and depressed ones

[rugged silo]

Ahuuhh

Ty

[rugged silo]

Give lore

[floral mauve]

about?

[rugged silo]

The white diir

Oo

[floral mauve]

and in what aspect specifically are u interested in

have u played it though

[rugged silo]

I got kinda confused when the barber dude have him a pistol

Yes i played it

[floral mauve]

ah see

u gotta play CEC

twd is just a dlc for CEC jk

[rugged silo]

Wut

[floral mauve]

u gotta play collection

[azure bay]

Lore of other games makes a lot less sense vithout CEC

CEC is the context

And everything else deepens it

[rugged silo]

Dang

But i dont like the graphics and the atmosphere

[floral mauve]

its not long comparing to paradise or roots

[floral mauve]

I would debate that

but its ur personal opinion

[azure bay]

Grafics are actually nice since Birthday

Not bad since Harvey's box

[floral mauve]

agree

[rugged silo]

Ill play em

Now im stuck on paradox

[floral mauve]

bruh

[azure bay]

Atmosphere is great in Case 23 and oitstanding in The Mill

[rugged silo]

Ik case 23 is like

Important

I heard abt it in paradox

[floral mauve]

all of them are important tbh but I put Arles and Harvey's box least important ones

[azure bay]

The Lake isn't that important

[rugged silo]

I gotta play them

After paradox

[azure bay]

Paradox is a very late game

[rugged silo]

Ye ik

[azure bay]

It's like the direct sequel to CEC

[floral mauve]

indeed

I feel like u basically play the entire series in a reverse order

but suit urself

[rugged silo]

I did that

I 1st played hotel then roots and then paradise

[floral mauve]

I am impressed

but as long as u enjoy it, order doesnt matter

I play birthday and theatre first

then seasons

[rugged silo]

I mean ive watched many lore vids

[floral mauve]

well u got much complex lores here

if u play CEC we can discuss more

[rugged silo]

I will

Aight ill go to slep

[azure bay]

Hotel deepens mysterious characters introduced in The Mill and foreshadows Dale's journey from Birthday and Theater.

Roots gives more idea about the elixir and why the hell Laura is important.

Paradise is about parallels between Dale and his predecessor

[rugged silo]

Best 3 games

[floral mauve]

if he knows who is Dale and Laura

lol

[azure bay]

Hotel is pretty weak story and lore-wise

Seasons is better

[floral mauve]

indeed

[azure bay]

Theatre repeats and surpasses its atmosphere

Hmm

What do you think?

[floral mauve]

who

[azure bay]

What's better, Paradise or TWD?

[floral mauve]

twd no doubt

I dont like paradise for my personal preference

just my opinion

[azure bay]

I'd lime to know your reasoning in #🩸｜general-chat

[rugged silo]

i just finished paradox

im kinda confused abt the end

also i want lore that wasnt told in the game

[azure bay]

what exactly is your point of confusion?

[rugged silo]

so

idk

did i watch myself kill her

[azure bay]

technically yes

[rugged silo]

shee

i mean

how

[azure bay]

depends on the depth we review

[rugged silo]

all

[azure bay]

what exactly don't you understand?

how can there be 2 Dales?

[rugged silo]

naw

idk how he watched his corrupted soul kill her

he was dead the whole time or

[azure bay]

ok, now I can answer it

Paradox isn't real

it may reflect the reality in some aspects

but basically it's Dale's dream

or coma

but with a purpose

[rugged silo]

whats the point of the game

if thats a way to ask

[azure bay]

have you got secret endings?

[rugged silo]

no?

[azure bay]

you need to get 5 achievements in each chapter

the clues are hidden in the movie

[rugged silo]

i only got 1 in the 2nd one\

yea im bouta watch it

[azure bay]

when you get both secret achievements, you'll have all the pieces

however putting them together seems quite a challenge

[rugged silo]

im way too lazy to get them all

[azure bay]

then just enter the codes

[rugged silo]

ill just watch a video

codes?

[azure bay]

yeah, achievements give you safe combinations

[rugged silo]

o

ill watch a video

[azure bay]

did you ever come out with the lore explanations on your own?

[rugged silo]

no :)

[azure bay]

a pity

I'd like to hear out what you see in these games

[azure bay]

what's about that?

[rugged silo]

huh

1st one the moth ig is from paradise

[azure bay]

black moths are wide-spread across the series

since Seasons

I think they are about symbolism

the moths in general are connected to rebirth

and also aspire to the light

like Dale aspires enLIGHTenment

black moths in particular are a bad omen and symbolize death

[floral mauve]

I mean he didnt even play CEC

he wont understand the mind of past present and future thing

[azure bay]

not really

you can mostly understand the former on its own

and the latter with Roots and Paradise

[floral mauve]

I mean

chapter 2 of paradox

involves Cave, Birthday and perhaps some other stuff

[azure bay]

involves but doesn't necessarily rely on

[floral mauve]

bruh

[azure bay]

the past mind is clear

it's about Dale's trauma

[vale marsh]

Technically also paradise with Mr. Owl.

[azure bay]

without even fighting it

[floral mauve]

he did play paradise

[vale marsh]

I might be out of the loop.

[floral mauve]

he plays the game in backwards order

[azure bay]

the golden cube, I admit, would be confusing with no Cave

but it's not on the surface

it's veeeery deep

[vale marsh]

Who?

Also, I played it out of order. Paradox was my first.

[azure bay]

you just need to read some messages before Stray appeared

[vale marsh]

I did. I'm trying to figure out how you can say something refers to something but doesn't rely on it...

When the whole series references eachother. The timeline of connections isn't a line: it's a web.

Every game (that I've played) from RL, give or take seasons, references each other.

[rugged silo]

what connection does paradox have w twd

[vale marsh]

I haven't played TWD.

But from everything I've heard, people say the main character of TWD is in Case 23 and Theater.

And if it is that guy, he was in a relationship with Laura.

[azure bay]

both tease Dale the deer

nothing else specific besides the characters

[vale marsh]

I mean, that headless deer thing is in at least 3 games....

unless you are implying that Dale is a reincarnation of Mr. Owl's dad.

[floral mauve]

I think he is referring to Asura Dale or deva Dale

[rugged silo]

ive noticed that

[vale marsh]

Because this series loves reincarnation.

[azure bay]

nah, that's stupid

I'm speaking of Dale having a deer head on him

[floral mauve]

the reincarnation of Albert is more reliable than this

[azure bay]

plausible*

[rugged silo]

w8 did dale killl the deer in paradox

[azure bay]

the corrupted one, yes

[floral mauve]

funny thing, Albert died a few years before Dale was born

so I guess reincarnation is possible as Dale

we will see in one month

[azure bay]

at most*

if everything goes as planned*

[rugged silo]

tpw comes out in a month

?

[azure bay]

it comes out in Q2

Q2 ends in a month

[covert wyvern]

that is if no further delays poke up their heads

[floral mauve]

pls dont even mention that possibility

btw how long do u think tpw will be

the length of paradox?

[azure bay]

2022 a new 2019

[covert wyvern]

I understand delays suck but it really cant b helped

[rugged silo]

shorter

[covert wyvern]

switching to unity must b tricky and to start off with a co-op game to boot.

[azure bay]

they have help

[rugged silo]

if any rl developer reads this pls dont make coop games

[floral mauve]

?

[azure bay]

the guy is against experiments

[covert wyvern]

ignoring personal stances and call outs of them

TPW will be a co-op game.

[floral mauve]

tbh its not really coop game, its just a game with two perspective so I guess it would be easier to think

[covert wyvern]

that much is confirmed, i'm afraid. @rugged silo

[rugged silo]

ik it is

thats y im saying it

coop sux

[covert wyvern]

ah al right, I thought you were unaware.

either way that's not really stuff to talk about in #theori..

#🤔｜theories * .

[rugged silo]

sus

[azure bay]

wasn't it too soon?

[covert wyvern]

Nah.,

they joined less than 5 minutes ago and immediately start spamming together

this was intended trolling.

[analog yacht]

Damy fast. I didn't even see anything

[covert wyvern]

well the bot does auto delete upon banishment!

[analog yacht]

Oh XD that makes sense

[covert wyvern]

and were i to be wrong they are free to just reach out to me asking for an unban.

I've just found that with these sorts of trolls specifically muting them beforehand really just doesn't have any effect

either way! the way I moderate isn't a theory is it

[analog yacht]

Oh yeah, I've had similar issues in servers I've modded before. Thanks for sharing though!

[floral mauve]

the bot is working well I see

[covert wyvern]

it is lovely

[floral mauve]

So, according to paradise and hotel, black cubes can work as the core of CS. And in seasons, Laura has winter memory which states the possibility of CS generate new memories. However, does that mean we can extract memory from black cubes infinitely.

this doesnt seem right to me

one of the statement must be wrong

either CS cant produce memory or black cubes arent CS themselves

[delicate atlas]

I think the second one is right

Imo the scene at the end of hotel is more of "extracting black cubes from CSs"

Or just a metaphor to show you whose cube it is

[floral mauve]

then how the CSs are trapped in the container and able to break out in the future

if they dont exist in the first place

[delicate atlas]

Good point

[azure bay]

why the 1st is according to paradise?

[floral mauve]

Caroline is wondering around in CS and we have seen her blackcubes everywhere so I assume its the same mechanism

but yea

u can delete that part

its just my assumption

[azure bay]

then I don't think that CS are only cubes

[floral mauve]

it shouldnt

but whats going on in hotel

some dark owl magic

[azure bay]

cubes may be their important part but I expect the rest being more important even if not always visible

[floral mauve]

What

[azure bay]

you can separate a cube from a CS

and you won't seemingly create another CS with a cube

[floral mauve]

idk

[floral mauve]

where did this happen

we only extracted from human not cs

cs is usually formed after extraction of black cube

[floral mauve]

true

[azure bay]

Case 23, for example

Arles

[floral mauve]

emmm yea, Bob just throw his memories

[azure bay]

My idea is that CS can exist with no memories

[floral mauve]

it should

since they are another stage of samsara

and memory is just a part of the creature

[azure bay]

ok

[floral mauve]

then whats going on in hotel

[azure bay]

whatever you see there. CS hiding inside the cubes, becoming partly invisible, etc etc

now speaking of an indefinite cube extraction

I think it's possible but it's the question of quality, not quantity

that may also be a reason why there's always a cube inside a CS

it stores there fresh memories

which can be extracted and you can start over

[floral mauve]

every creature should have fresh memories in them

[azure bay]

I mean

when you wake up with amnesia you get new memories right away

but have no older ones

[floral mauve]

I wonder, if they want fresh memories, why dont they just enslave a human or animal for infinite memory extraction

keep it alive and it keeps producing memories

[azure bay]

it depends on what you define as fresh

[floral mauve]

true

perhaps its like the definition of twd

colourful memories

diversity

[azure bay]

nah, it wasn't about it

[floral mauve]

bruh

[azure bay]

"bring back colors to your life" was the phrase

[floral mauve]

Yes

[azure bay]

nothing about colorful memories

[floral mauve]

...

its also a metaphor

[azure bay]

not about memories but rather about emotions

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

therefore, nothing to do with the "memory diversity"

it's about the present, not the past

[floral mauve]

ah shit here we go again

how do we define present in terms of lake

fresh

10 days, 10 months, 10 years?

[azure bay]

freshly formed, freshly extracted, or just new to the lake?

and once again, how the hell fresh memories are connected to the colors of one's life?

[floral mauve]

then why dont they enslave ppl for this

[floral mauve]

I dunno, diversity

[azure bay]

because I think it's about the last part

[floral mauve]

without memory, life is blank and dull

meaningless

[azure bay]

I think the lake just needs new memories

[floral mauve]

new memories from different ppl I see

another funny thing is

[azure bay]

I also think in sufficient quantity

[floral mauve]

it seems like they can take the memories back from the lake as if its just a random trash under water

and the content of the cube is still there

what did the lake do with them if it didnt absorb it or something

imo, if the lake wants something, it will consume it or absorb it

in some way

[azure bay]

I don't think the devs know themselves

[floral mauve]

bruh

[floral mauve]

otherwise, across thousands of year, there would be thousands of cubes under the lake

and how do they know which one is Laura

[azure bay]

the scenarist told them

[floral mauve]

we still have little knowledge about what does the lake do except making deals with sacrifices and has magic power after 7 years

[azure bay]

and what's your point?

[floral mauve]

which part is "the lake"

water

or underwater forrest

or both

[azure bay]

why are you asking that?

[floral mauve]

idk

random stuff

lake stuff

can lake be naraka

or in other words

is the lake itself hell

[azure bay]

and I wonder if there are asuras on Himalayas

[floral mauve]

what

is this some sort of sarcasm that I am too dumb to understand

[azure bay]

idk

random stuff

[floral mauve]

bruh

emotional damage

[azure bay]

*casualy pushes the community*

What happened to Bob between Theatre and Case 23?

[analog yacht]

The White Door, I'd imagine

[azure bay]

Have you seen the secret PD scene?

[analog yacht]

It's been a while, but I do vaguely remember seeing police following hin at the very least

[north hound]

i dont wanna sound stupid

but

[north hound]

if ur talking about the man at the bar

i think he went insane after laura sent him that card that was in his jacket

which is probably why he's in the police station after theatre

i mean

bro

he even broke the damn window and hung the police officer

[analog yacht]

I think nowhere's question is more what happened between that time. When/how was he arrested, what particular instance caused it?

And technically it was his CS that hung the officer

[azure bay]

And it's been almost a year between he shot himself and was arrested

[floral mauve]

if he survived the shot by turning into CS, and assume the shot happened. I guess he will continue to be more depressed in his apartment just like the day he met Sarah, alcohol and depression. Then, after a year of stressful mental state and under the police's accusation, he broke down and killed him in CS form.

I have raised another question, did Bob forget everything by the time he went to twd

[azure bay]

It's implied by the manager

[floral mauve]

yeaaa

so he didnt forget everything did he

maybe I misunderstood the scene

when he was facing the manager

the manager told him to pick out his stuff

he did right?

[azure bay]

that part is debatable

it's the only part I'm sure was altered

[floral mauve]

why though

[azure bay]

because just afterwards comes Sarah and tells Bob that he remembers almost everything and it's time to finish his depression

[floral mauve]

oh I see

that doesnt make sense

if he just arrived

so the game connected his past to his present

[azure bay]

yeah

at 1st I had a theory of 2 Bobs

[floral mauve]

bruh

[azure bay]

1 Bob suffers from the therapy

and the other cheers him up

[floral mauve]

I dont see the second one, he is empty as f

[azure bay]

I mean

[floral mauve]

no cheers for Bob

[azure bay]

the 1st comes on the day 0

and the other one on the day 7

[floral mauve]

alright

I kinda get it

[floral mauve]

then this part will be flawed

if he doesnt remember shit

he wont be depressed and have alcohol issues after theatre

we need a new mini game, the homeless life of Robert Hills

[azure bay]

I don't get your reasoning

you need to step back a little and start over

[floral mauve]

I suppose whether he has past memory or no is depends on theatre

we had this convo before

the black cube from the police station is his memory formed during that year after theatre

[azure bay]

ok. How is it connected to the 2-Bobs-Theory?

[floral mauve]

nothing

I am trying to go back to ur original question

[azure bay]

ok, can you start over with Bob not being depressed?

[floral mauve]

wdym

if he doesnt have any past memory after theatre

he will be blank

[floral mauve]

and we will have this

or

he got detained by the police station

for 1 year

[azure bay]

a mistake I see here

[floral mauve]

but that doesnt make sense

since he took the pic later

I guess

[azure bay]

"after a year" is not necessarily "for a year"

he was somewhere

[floral mauve]

in the police station like a suspect

just detained there

[azure bay]

why are you so sure he was kept there for a year?

[floral mauve]

because he is a suspect and police usually wont let a murder suspect going around freely

plus, he doesnt remember shit

its either homeless or suspect

or Owl experiment

[azure bay]

there's also hospital

or no memory loss during Theatre which is also a possibility

[floral mauve]

1 year of zero wound mark from gun shot in the head is pretty impressive

we had this convo before and we agree it is possible that CS cured his head

[azure bay]

yeah, we had, and I think it's too early to discard all those possibilities

also

what I was seeing was Bob arrived, made a mugshot and waited for his 1st interrogation

[floral mauve]

yes

thats his one year journey

[azure bay]

I'm not taking it

you overestimate their bureaucracy

[floral mauve]

I mean for a murder suspect, before the investigation result comes out, who would let this guy walk around freely

even the general public wound protest

[azure bay]

that was his 1st interrogation

after a year of waiting

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

that's not ok

[floral mauve]

but it is what it is

[azure bay]

how do you know that?

[floral mauve]

because in my country interrogation of severe crime u gotta wait from 6 months to more than 2 years

depends

during that period, he is sort of imprisoned

[azure bay]

1. this is stupid if it's true
2. it's the US we're talking about

[floral mauve]

I dunno

[azure bay]

another funny thing

I'm very unsure if the devs dug that deep

I'd expect a movie approach from them

e.g. interrogation as soon as possible

[royal notch]

AAAAAHHH, dah Dann questio!

[vale marsh]

Question:

In Birthday, the date is said to be 1939, and Dale is said to be 9 years old.

In Paradox (chapter 2), Dale's birthday is 1930, but the newspaper article about his tragedy says he was actually 11. Is this a retcon or are they hinting that something deeper is going on here?

[azure bay]

you have to update your game

[vale marsh]

Oh did they change the text?

[azure bay]

looooooooooooong ago as far as I'm concerned

[vale marsh]

Ohhh okay.

I was watching some walkthrough videos to try and figure out Dale's age. Probably should've played the material instead.

[floral mauve]

its a confirmed error

it was his 9th birthday

[covert wyvern]

eh its a valid question

lucky us we got so many knowledgeable people here

[vale marsh]

I'll check when I get home if my game needs to be updated.

The main reason I was doing that is because I'm trying to figure out Mr. Owl's age.

[floral mauve]

I believe he was born in 1770s

or 1760s

I am not that sensitive towards the age

[vale marsh]

I know he is around the 200s.

If he was born before 1972 than he is definitely 200+

[half shuttle]

This is my current working theory of the history of the Rusty Lake universe:

Part 1: The Eilanders (Paradise / Hotel)
Mr. Owl's mom is the first to discover the elixir. She is sacrificed by their family in Jakob's place, knowing that he will gain eternal life/enlightenment (unbeknownst to the family, who are trying to get it for themselves). He reincarnates (or utilizes the elixir to continue living) as Mr. Owl, builds Rusty Lake Hotel, and begins working with William and Aldous Vanderboom. Mr. Owl invites his family to the hotel (who are somehow super old at this point or have reincarnated) and has Harvey enact his revenge on them, creating a bunch of corrupted souls and utilizing them to feed the lake/create the elixir again. The souls break out and attack Harvey, who transforms into a parrot, either through some power we're not aware of yet, or through reincarnation.

Part 2: The Vanderbooms (Roots)
Somewhere in all this, William Vanderboom dies, and leaves his estate to his nephew James, who manages to create the elixir, but inadvertently dies because he lets the dog try the elixir first (one must die so that the other can live), hence why the dog makes reappearances long after he should have died. The rest of the Vanderboom family tree are used as pawns by William and Aldous to create sacrifices so that William can come back to life, which he does through the help of Rose (the reincarnation of Mr. Owl's mom).

Part 3: Laura and Robert (Cube Escape Collection / White Door)
William reincarnates as Laura, who is unaware of her past life, and somehow ends up with Harvey as her pet parrot. She breaks up with Robert and goes to Rusty Lake, where she either kills herself OR is murdered by Robert (maybe even Dale somehow?). This was not supposed to happen, and Mr. Owl puts Robert in his mental institution so they can try and figure out what happened to Laura, and to feed his memories to the Lake. Sarah, one of the doctors at the institute, erases Laura from Robert's memories to free him from his pain (and by proxy the Lake?), AND frees all the other patients.

Part 4: Dale (Cube Escape Collection / Paradox)
Dale (the potential reincarnation of Leonard Vanderboom?) is the detective assigned to Laura's case. He discovers he has the ability to travel through time at the discretion of Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow, and he utilizes this to stop Mr. Rabbit/David Eilander from murdering his family (his parents being the reincarnation of Samuel and Ida, and his grandpa being Mr. Crow?). It is hinted that Dale may have hung himself, and with both him and Laura potentially being dead, he gets to choose which of them is the sacrifice, and which is enlightened, that person potentially becoming Mr. Owl's successor, and the caretaker of the Lake.

[vale marsh]

Have you played all of roots?

[half shuttle]

Here are just a few of my questions:

1. What is the story of Harvey, Mr. Toad, and Mr. Bat (the latter two we know basically nothing about)?
2. If Mr. Owl was the one who became enlightened, how is it that his family members have also lived really long lives? Were they reincarnated? If so, how did Mr. Owl know it was them when they were invited to the Hotel?
3. Who killed Laura? Was it intentional or were they being controlled by a corrupted soul? Are Dale/Robert somehow different personalities of the same entity?
4. Who is Sarah and why did she free the patients at the institute? Is she in love with Robert? Who are the other inmates and why did some of them have cubes?
5. What is the significance of feeding people's memories to the lake?

[half shuttle]

Yeah I have

It's kind of a jumbled mess so shout out to anyone who actually reads all that haha, and feel free to share your thoughts!

I know that someone made a whole series on Youtube of the history of Rusty Lake, but I wanted to share my thoughts from what I've gathered first before watching that

[vale marsh]

I'll get back to you on #4. Will you be okay if I ping you when I do (since it might be a few hours or days for me to get a good theory).

[half shuttle]

Sure!

I'll probably clean up/update the theory over time when I get new info

[azure bay]

RazzJazz?

[floral mauve]

Part 1
How Mr Owl used guests to feed the lake or crate elixir, we didnt see any of those
Part 2
How is Rose the reincarnation of Caroline

[half shuttle]

That's the one! I'm very curious to watch it

[half shuttle]

They are transformed into corrupted souls, which seems to happen when someone's memories are fed to the lake

Rose looks just like Caroline and that seems intentional

[floral mauve]

no, this happens when a black cube got extracted

[azure bay]

Rose looks like Ida

[floral mauve]

so u are saying the reincarnation of someone has to look like the person's previous life?

this doesnt make much sense

[half shuttle]

It doesn't have to, but seeing as how the overarching story itself is a puzzle, I don't know why they would make them look like the exact same person and not have that be meaningful in some way

Caroline creates the first elixir, and later Rose creates the elixir again to give birth to Laura

[floral mauve]

?

I am confused

have u played all Roots?

[half shuttle]

Yeah

[azure bay]

stray, slow down, let him explain 1st

[floral mauve]

alright

I shut up

[half shuttle]

I may be forgetting some things, it's like 15 games haha

[azure bay]

We have a great example of reincarnation

William -> Laura

and Laura looks nothing like William

while resemblance of Rose and Caroline could be explained by many other things crazy or not

starting with them being a family and finishing with a mere artstyle

[half shuttle]

That is true, but if them looking the same is completely unrelated that wouldn't make sense to me

[floral mauve]

How

which part doesnt make sense

and what makes u feel Rose is looking like Caroline, I feel she is very Ida

[half shuttle]

Just going through the trouble of essentially making the same person, and somehow not having them in fact be the same person

Hold on a sec

[floral mauve]

wdym, it was Albert's own will

if so, why dont u just say all red haired woman is Caroline

I have my theory of a nearby village at Rusty Lake

where Mary and Caroline come from

[azure bay]

the 1st 2 don't look the same for me

[floral mauve]

I would say art style

but Rose is definitely Ida related

[half shuttle]

They do to me

[floral mauve]

I feel this will get us to nowhere if we are obssessed with this detail

u have to provide much stronger evidence

for the link

of Caroline and Rose

[half shuttle]

I'm not saying they're not related, but I don't think it's out of the question for the family members to die and then come back into the family to play another role

[ebon aspen]

id say that trying to relate characters just by looks wont do much
and yeah, as stray said, this is going nowhere

[half shuttle]

I don't know why you're getting so hung up on my personal theory, I'm just looking to discuss is all

[floral mauve]

thank u

[ebon aspen]

but lets say caroline was reborn as someone else, how does it affect things?

[vale marsh]

Iirc, (sorry to temporarily derail this), Mr. Owl says "the lake will be grateful", implying that the memories are fed to the lake somehow.

[floral mauve]

It is totally possible for her to reincarnate into a human again

[azure bay]

we disagree, that's normal

[half shuttle]

It's fine to disagree, it just seems like stray is acting like my suggestion is completely blasphemous which I wasn't expecting, and their language is coming across like I'm dumb for thinking so, which is unnecessary

[floral mauve]

that is totally possible, but there is another potential reading for this, what if Mr Owl is addressing himself as the lake, u know, all the murder is for the prophecy of Dale

[half shuttle]

I think that maybe the same people continue to reincarnate and play different roles in the same story

Obviously not all of them, but some, and reincarnation/ enlightenment is a big part of the story

[vale marsh]

He says "I am really glad you brought the cigars" if you get those for him. He doesn't say "the lake is happy for the cigars".

[floral mauve]

indeed

maybe I phrased it in a wrong way

[vale marsh]

I agree. Who are the reincarnations, I do not exactly know.

[floral mauve]

I mean the lake would be grateful for the prophecy

and we dont see Owl throw the CS containers under the lake

he kept them around him in the hotel

[half shuttle]

Well the Eilanders are connected to the Hotel somehow with the animal masks, and those animals being in the Hotel game

[vale marsh]

Well, the containers didn't last long...

[half shuttle]

And there's like a hundred years between Paradise and Hotel, so either they lived a long time or are reincarnated

[vale marsh]

I think he didn't get to finish his plan before they broke out of the containers.

[azure bay]

objectively, I need to admit they do share their face shape, mouths, eyes and brows. However that doesn't have to mean them being the same person. You really need stretch things up to make a person someone's next incarnation. You need more undebatable precedents.

On the other hand, there are some more plausible alternatives. They can either be related or the artist just got lazy which also happens sometimes.

[half shuttle]

That is very true, but with how intricate everything is put together i just feel like there's more to it than just happenstance

[floral mauve]

u dont feel, u need stronger evidence

its not a fan fic

[azure bay]

plz, stray, calm down

[half shuttle]

Well we only have so much information so a lot of this discussion is straight up "feel"

[floral mauve]

if u want to fabricate a theory u put stronger evidence and convince others

its as simple as that

[vale marsh]

Sometimes you do just feel.

[half shuttle]

The connection is clear to me, but you don't see it that way and that's fine. That's part of the how the games are set up, everyone has their own theories

What i don't appreciate is that I'm just here to discuss amongst fans and it seems like you are being rude to me and treating me like I'm dumb for having these theories. That's not cool

[vale marsh]

I got a theory right once based off feeling & what would be dramatic/add stakes to the story.

[vale marsh]

I like your theories.

[floral mauve]

I did not, I pointed out the flaws and hope u can explain it

[azure bay]

we theorists love going crazy. Every single one of us does so at some point. But the reality doesn't care about our feelings and if we want to really predict something we need keep ourselves to the ground, consider the possibility of us being wrong and not to put all the eggs into the same basket.

[floral mauve]

I often experience objection from nowhere

[vale marsh]

But yeah, you two do treat theories as if there is only one right one. Even though the right answer will only show itself when it is time.

[azure bay]

me?

[floral mauve]

the thing is, there isnt much possibilities unless there are new evidence

[floral mauve]

and we do have some possibilities, there isnt only one

[half shuttle]

I agree with this however we only have so much information so until we get more info a lot of inferences have to be made.

[vale marsh]

I have had several ideas shot down because it didn't go along with the accepted fanon.

[floral mauve]

like the CEC series is not certain and contains many possibilities

[vale marsh]

Then why have so many of mine been dismissed?

[floral mauve]

but for roots and most of the paradise, it is quite straightforward

[floral mauve]

where

pardon me

if I ignored ur theory

I apologize

[vale marsh]

I'm not talking about them being ignored.

[half shuttle]

Yeah it may not be intentional but it definitely feels like I'm being talked down to and that's not really what I'm here for. May just be a miscommunication issue

I have no problem being wrong and discussing, the tone is what's throwing me off

[vale marsh]

I'm saying I've had several denied. I feel like I need to keep several of my ideas to myself.

[vale marsh]

Agreed.

[half shuttle]

I mean part of the fun is having an idea and then finding out you're right or wrong in a later game

[covert wyvern]

just feel like i should mention we do strive to create a welcoming environment here

[floral mauve]

I apologize

[covert wyvern]

and all theories are welcome and should be on equal footing to b discussed.

[floral mauve]

for having a unfriendly tone

[vale marsh]

So, for #2, I've been on the train of them being reincarnations. Especially since mr. Rabbit from Birthday seems to be a reincarnation of either Hotel's rabbit, Paradise's rabbit, or both (since I think the three all share a lineage).

[half shuttle]

I agree!

[vale marsh]

It would also tie Mr. Rabbit into that fate he so desperately needs to avoid, especially if this fate is tied to the sins of his family (which I think he mentions?).

[half shuttle]

Do they keep coming back until they can right their wrongs?

[vale marsh]

I do not know.

[half shuttle]

Which Dale does by stopping Mr Rabbit

And killing him

[vale marsh]

That is a cool idea.

[half shuttle]

Or grandpa kills but through Dale's actions

[vale marsh]

I was thinking that it was just something everyone did, but your idea is cooler from a story perspective.

[half shuttle]

Yeah he apologizes for doing it and mentions he has to in order to escape or something

[vale marsh]

Which I think he's trying to escape a fate as a corrupted soul. Idk why, but it just feels like it.

[half shuttle]

How omniscient are Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow? The owl represents knowledge obviously, but how far does it go?

Yeah I can see that

[vale marsh]

Which is partly why I feel like Dale is somebow tied to Mr. Owl's father.

[floral mauve]

possible

[half shuttle]

I think Albert is tied to Mr Owl's dad actually

[floral mauve]

I see the trinity three

the deer head

[vale marsh]

My guess? Some sort of prophecy.

[half shuttle]

I think Dale could be Leonard because both of them have parents that are murdered

It's a loose theory but one I've considered

[covert wyvern]

mhm but wouldn't leonard still b around when dale was born?

[half shuttle]

Good question

[vale marsh]

Which game is Leonard from?

[covert wyvern]

roots

[half shuttle]

I don't have the timelines down

[floral mauve]

Dale was born in 18.12.1930, Leonard was confirmed to be alive until 1935

[half shuttle]

Leonard is the child of Samuel, who is twins with Emma and Albert

Ah ok

Something to keep in mind though is Mary seems to be killed by Albert at the same time as Samuel and Ida, but her gravestone says she died like 30 years prior.

That part i don't get

[azure bay]

Believe me, it's sensible trying finding evidence no matter how brave your assumption is. The info isn't that scarce. You can find many unexpected things. A good example, one guy from Reddit was able to prove Vanderbooms and Eilanders being related based on Lady's substance of the past life. And that's a great theory, especially considering me who hates when people are secretly related.

Another thing is, the evidence in this fictional universe is based on interpretation you can simply bend facts to fit your picture.

Feelings, on the other hand, are the last thing you need to rely on. They deceive you the most. And if you really struggle to put the evidence together, sometimes it's better to drop the idea, transform it or keep for the future (in case new evidence arrives) cause otherwise it's not a theory but rather a fanfic.

[half shuttle]

So some of the timelines are definitely off

[covert wyvern]

keyword being timelines

[floral mauve]

the gravestone is always something I got confused

[half shuttle]

Id be curious to read in to the theory you've mentioned @azure bay

[floral mauve]

it seems like they arent correct

but who knows

[azure bay]

ping me tomorrow if no one else can recite it

[half shuttle]

Mr Owl being related to the alchemists isn't inferred as far as I know but would make sense

[half shuttle]

Will do

So Albert kills Leonard's parents and then Mr Rabbit kills Dale's parents. If Albert is the deer, who is Mr. Owl's dad, and Mr Rabbit is Mr. Owl's brother, will we see similar acts committed by his sister, uncle, and grandma?

[azure bay]

Albert isn't the deer

he's a voodoo sorcerer

[floral mauve]

I doubled check again, the grave stone is correct

she died in 1904

[half shuttle]

Ah ok cool, I think I got her and Emma mixed up

[floral mauve]

np

[half shuttle]

Yes but he uses the deer skull, and Mr Owl's dad wears the deer mask

So even if they're not related, they serve a similar function in their stories

[azure bay]

and Dale wears the deer head

[half shuttle]

Oh you're right

Snap

[azure bay]

anyways, I lost the thread

[half shuttle]

Dang there's so much to discuss but I'm supposed to be working so I'll hop on again later haha

[azure bay]

what were you discussing?

[half shuttle]

I think reincarnation of the family members

[azure bay]

Vanderbooms?

or Eilanders?

[floral mauve]

which theory

I can find it now

[azure bay]

I guess, it's too late for today

[floral mauve]

alright

[azure bay]

but thx

[half shuttle]

You can post it and I'll look at it later

I'm toying with the idea that the deer represents that person having magical properties, which doesn't make sense in regards to Mr Deer but oh well

[azure bay]

I heard an idea that Albert got Mr. Deer's asura head

and some asura do magic

[floral mauve]

interesting, so Mr Owl does use the bodyparts

pheasant in chapel

recylcle

[azure bay]

I wouldn't take the chapel too seriously tho

[floral mauve]

aw

[hollow lava]

Oop sorry for hopping in but I just read that you're talking abojt Mr Deer. Idk if it had been pointed out already, but i remember noticing that the first guy from Roots (James if I recall correctly) in the basement level wears what Mr Deer wears in Hotel

[azure bay]

1. James wore them before the massacre of Hotel
2. So did William

I bet on the asset reuse and James inheriting William's cloths

[hollow lava]

fair

[vale marsh]

Mr. Deer's room was very sciency related, which I can see applying to both Arthur and Mr. Owl's dad (forgot his name).

[azure bay]

Who's Arthur?

[vale marsh]

Did I say the wrong name?

[azure bay]

I guess

[vale marsh]

Albert. I meant Albert. My bad.

[azure bay]

don't worry

I get your idea

but I would argue

Nicolas was about leading the cult

he has nothing to do with chemistry or alchemy

which is btw the difference between Deer and Albert

Deer was a scientist

Albert was occultist

chemistry is science

alchemy is a form of occultism

[vale marsh]

Who is Nicholas?

[azure bay]

Nicolas Eilander

[vale marsh]

Oh.

That's his name.

Well, I have done a lot of research into alchemy, and it technically is an early form of chemistry.

I call it "religious chemistry".

[azure bay]

and that's the difference

occult

[vale marsh]

As a lot of alchemists were doing it in the name of God. Nicholas and the rest of his family seemed to be doing this in the name of the lake.

[azure bay]

I repeat, whatever Nicolas did, it wasn't chemistry nor straight alchemy

that's why Mr. Deer is likely Nicolas no more

and what Mr. Deer did was legit science

unlike Albert's experiments

that were likely based on the brothers' research

[delicate atlas]

What about the phonebook in paradox?

[azure bay]

what about it?

[delicate atlas]

Where it says "D. Eilander" and when you call it, Mr. Rabbit shows up

Doesn't that indicate that the hotel guests were the reincarnation of the Eilanders?

[azure bay]

it does

[delicate atlas]

Why else would the Eilanders wear masks identical to the animals in hotel

[delicate atlas]

So what did you mean by this?

[azure bay]

theoretically, the general symbolism behind those animals

[azure bay]

that they don't remember their past lives, don't share those experiences, are mostly new personalities

[delicate atlas]

Ah, I got it now

[azure bay]

and Rabbit in Birthday knows much more than he did in Hotel

likely was reborn or was on his way to that

so his knowledge about his past life could have the same source

[delicate atlas]

Interesting

[half shuttle]

What if it's related to not magic specifically but alchemy, which could include "magic"

[azure bay]

who exactly are you trying to connect here?

[vale marsh]

I don't think the chemistry vs alchemy debate is enough to dissprove that.

[azure bay]

disprove what?

[half shuttle]

Mr Deer, Albert, Dale, and Nicholas Eilander

All use some form of alchemy, whether through ritual, actual alchemy, or perceived magic

[vale marsh]

To quote the definition of alchemy, "the medieval forerunner of chemistry, based on the supposed transformation of matter."

[half shuttle]

Just an idea

[vale marsh]

Yeah, I do like that.

I am curious what Dale does.

[half shuttle]

They can't all be the same person which goes against the reincarnation idea BUT there could be a common thread

[azure bay]

the one who calls himself a scientist is not likely to embrace some past practices

[vale marsh]

I'm saying that alchemy TRANSFORMED INTO CHEMISTRY OVER TIME.

[half shuttle]

Maybe each chapter of the story requires an alchemist to proceed or something

[azure bay]

and why is it applicable?

[vale marsh]

You are saying that because one is supposedly an alchemist and another is supposedly a chemist, they cannot be related.

But the practice of alchemy evolved into chemistry.

[azure bay]

Nicolas = Deer is confirmed, Deer can't likely be Albert because they share the timeline. Dale can be Albert, many fans don't want that but we'll see in the upcoming game

[half shuttle]

Nicholas is clearly the leader of the sacrifice in Paradise, and I think utilizes prayer as a form of magic / alchemy

OH MAN

[vale marsh]

That was a lot of definitives in a theory channel.

[half shuttle]

Well with the glimpses we get of Dale possibly killing Laura, that could allure to the connection with Albert, which I definitely dislike haha

[vale marsh]

When does hotel take place again?

[half shuttle]

1800s

Like 100 years after paradise

[vale marsh]

Birthday gives us a date.

[azure bay]

and still they are very different in their core. One is based on the scientific method, the other on some stigmatized beliefs

[covert wyvern]

really dont think the differences matter in the context of RL lmao

besides whose to say that in "rls reality" Alchemy isnt just a respected science.

[half shuttle]

I can see this

[azure bay]

I wouldn't be so sure. Comparing William's journal to the one of Deer could be enough to see the difference.

[half shuttle]

Maybe each reincarnation of the same person is more "enlightened" than the previous

I'm curious why Dale is a Vandermere and not Vanderboom

[azure bay]

on the surface it's about glass tubes and mixing stuff, but one relies on the occult and makes no calculations whatsoever and the other tries to measure things and doesn't concern the magic

[half shuttle]

Where does the mere come from? What is the missing link?

[azure bay]

do u know what van der means?

[half shuttle]

I don't, I'm gonna guess "of the" haha

[azure bay]

yeah

that means that there might be no link

to explain that shift at least

[half shuttle]

Ah so it's potentially more symbolic

Dale is definitely tied into the story somehow, I guess we'll see if he truly is just a time traveler or if there is more to his connection to the family

[azure bay]

theoretically, it could be both or even none. What I actually think, yeah, it's symbolic; no, there's no need to explain how these last names appeared

[azure bay]

to what family?

[half shuttle]

I'm wondering if he can time travel because he actually killed himself and is just finding resolution in his memories before he passes on, rather than actual time travel, which is why he's connected to Laura, who is also dead, obviously

[azure bay]

killed... himself?

[half shuttle]

Vanderbooms

Yeah there's a silhouette of him hanging himself in Paradox

Could also be a reference to Emma Vanderboom though

[azure bay]

well, I figured out what's Dale's importance based on my evidence

[half shuttle]

What's that

[azure bay]

Dale has a spiritual potential. He was exceptionally traumatized and is able overcome that. And with the elixir involved he'll be reborn in a form even higher than the one of Owl

a worthy more efficient successor

[half shuttle]

I could see that

In Paradox Laura infers he has to make a choice. So either Laura lives or he lives, and the other dies

And the one who lives will probably take over ownership of the Lake

[azure bay]

yeah

[half shuttle]

"One must die so the other can live"

[azure bay]

"higher form" come from Theatre

did you understand its lesson?

[half shuttle]

Mr Owl wears Dale's mask in Theater which is interesting

[azure bay]

yeah, it's important WHEN he wears that mask

[half shuttle]

The last play if I'm not mistaken

[azure bay]

did u research what each of the plays actually represents?

[half shuttle]

I know there's like Sanskrit or something, but no I haven't

[azure bay]

it's the samsara wheel

6 forms to be reborn in

[half shuttle]

Ah ok

[vale marsh]

And I assume it could be similar in the rl world.

[half shuttle]

Is Dale maybe the next stage of Mr Owl?

[azure bay]

no

I'm sure it's a fish

[half shuttle]

That's what I was thinking as well

Maybe when he dies he becomes one with the Lake, hence the fish, kinda like how someone reincarnates until they achieve enlightenment and become one with the universe

[azure bay]

I think it will be quite literally

Mr. Crow is a demi-god or demon (depends on the translation). So is Owl, I assume. And Dale was played by Owl during the play about the god form

so Owl's past is human, present is demi-god and future is animal

[half shuttle]

Interesting

[vale marsh]

I assumed the literal interpretation as well, but...

I have a tendency to take these things at face value. Deeper connections I make tend to be either gut feeling or pattern analysis at their core.

[azure bay]

so Dale becomes a god after drinking the elixir unlike everyone before him. Why? Here comes my spirituality part

another anomaly is James' dog

it didn't get any enlightenment

Also why?

What do animals lack that humans have?

a consciousness

[half shuttle]

Ah ok, interesting idea

[azure bay]

and Dale in Theatre got a higher state of it

his journey (Bday and Theatre) is what puts him apart from the others

Owl didn't get such journey neither did Crow

[half shuttle]

I wonder how far ahead the devs have thought this through in advance and how much of it is just making choices in the middle of developing a game haha

[azure bay]

I think they have some basic plan

[half shuttle]

Yeah he seems to be able to travel and change events in ways that the others can't

[azure bay]

and they add details on a go

[azure bay]

Laura seemingly can

[half shuttle]

I don't know if Laura has directly changed her past though, unlike Dale. She does seem to be omnipresent however

[azure bay]

Seasons is a lot like Bday

[half shuttle]

But that could also be because she's basically William, who's brother is Mr Crow, who is also omnipresent

Oh you're right, when she is a corrupted soul in Samsara's Room she jumps between dimensions

[azure bay]

they both enter a memory, relive their live before facing a conflict and finding a blue cube, roll the time back and fix the conflict

[half shuttle]

That's fair

[azure bay]

that's different

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https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

Me right now

[azure bay]

Crow isn't that powerful and his power definitely doesn't transfer to William

[half shuttle]

Crow seems to be more of a henchman i guess

[azure bay]

a trustee, I'd say

he, who does the most important job (except for planning)

[half shuttle]

He almost is like a groundskeeper

Hence living in the Mill

And of course extracting memories

I am curious why they extracted Laura/ William's memories if they knew it could risk corrupting her

[azure bay]

Crow was meant to do that carefully

and after all that doesn't seem to have ruined their plan that badly

[half shuttle]

Crow done f'd up