🤔｜theories

[ripe flame]

No

Never

In my life

If u looked on my name and thought that I am russian you are deeply mistaken

[floral mauve]

lmao

its just a friendly suggestion plus there is no need to get deep into this topic

[covert wyvern]

Everyone good over here?

[floral mauve]

stay on topic

[floral mauve]

think so

[covert wyvern]

Seems like this isn't about theories anymore.

Let's make sure we stick to that alright!

[ripe flame]

Okay so.

I have another questions

[azure bay]

we are not done

[ripe flame]

Okay

[ripe flame]

What is the question? I lost it

[azure bay]

Let's suppose, they are brothers, that was a revenge, etc.
How is that relevant for the Birthday game?

[fallow hollow]

i think that person was trying to say that mr rabitt traumatised the person who was chosen by mr owl (his brother) as a revenge

[ripe flame]

Yes

I mean it

[azure bay]

well

I thought you were talking about another revenge

[ripe flame]

I mean that

Anything else?

[fallow hollow]

what ? there is another one?

[ripe flame]

Because I have some more questions about roots

[azure bay]

yeah

[ripe flame]

Maybe he/she thought that we talking about revange what is ups in the Hotel

[ripe flame]

I'm listening

[azure bay]

I'm sure, Rabbit's reasons were different and they were reflected in his letter

[fallow hollow]

oh in 1800 something when harvey escapes?

[fallow hollow]

yeh the letter seems def off

[floral mauve]

tbh it could be cause and consequences, the trauma is a part of him that makes him the chosen one by Mr Owl

rather than vice versal

[ripe flame]

Yes but before when god's came in hotel and Harvey kills them

[fallow hollow]

yes i thought of that maby he was trying to do the mind thing that mr owl did in paradox 2

[azure bay]

1stly, he was sorry to traumatize Dale.

2ndly, he told that he came for a substance of his past life. He speaks of the pistol that Pheasant killed herself with. He left the note near the chest where the pistol was kept before he came.

[ripe flame]

Mr owl is so cunning. He killed them with Harvey's hand not with his own ...

[ripe flame]

Ooo

[floral mauve]

I have heard a theory of this for the last scene in hotel

[ripe flame]

Plus one evidence why Mr Crow is his grandfather. If he isn't how this gun could be in this game?

[ripe flame]

Ye

[floral mauve]

so basically, Mr Owl shows Harvey around in his room in hotel, which is actually serving the purpose of making the corrupted souls know who killed them, so they could revenge once they get out of there

[ripe flame]

Why he need the gun with what Pheasent killed herself 😳

[azure bay]

literally by chance. I like the trope of random people being chosen by destiny.

[floral mauve]

but imo, its unnecessary

[floral mauve]

same

however

fate

and the white cube prophecy

states that its not random

[ripe flame]

And they revenged to Harvey not to Owl!!! So we can see that Owl is so cunning!

[ripe flame]

Oh well

[azure bay]

idk exactly. he's somehow connected to it. Based on his phrasing, I assume he's balancing the substance of his past life. Which is a step for the rebirth

[ripe flame]

I remember that Pheasent must be in theatre but she died. We can see as woman (Pheasent or idk what is it) sings. But. Than she became corrupted soul and says: balance the substance of my past lives. Rabbit was her brother... And in the letter he saying about balance... Is it somehow connected?

Btw, we can see as someone who must be Pheasent are sings in theatre. Who is must make magic thighs as Rabbit?

Where is someone who is must looks like Rabbit?

[azure bay]

during her play she plays 2 roles. One of some woman (Lady in blue, The lady of the lake - whatever) and after she died she plays her corrupted soul with a lame costume

[floral mauve]

I feel like there is a need of stating reincarnation through sacrifice will reset memories

or at least

conceal it

[azure bay]

I think it's too deep for now

[ripe flame]

Pheasent musted sing in theatre not play this two roles as I remember

[azure bay]

these are different shows. And (I guess?) technically different persons

[floral mauve]

but I gotta point it out since the brother sister and revenge stuff

[ripe flame]

And it? Do u know who is?

[floral mauve]

dont make much sense

[azure bay]

We don't know how Pheasant is there in the 1st place.

Is it her human mask from the past?
Is it her new human body from the future?
Is it a random woman impersonating her?

[ripe flame]

Let's guess that Harvey didn't kill them. Elithabeth she is Pheasent is alive. She is blind so she is singing I think. Plus. Balance the substance of my past lives. When she was a people and when she was a god... I think the balance it is balance of smell, hearing and touch.. they are so good.. but idk what does balance meean aaaa

[ripe flame]

3d i think

She is red haired so 1st no

2nd.. possible I think..

[azure bay]

And here I have something to say about Eilanders

[floral mauve]

if we are talking about twd theatre

[ripe flame]

Ooo

[floral mauve]

its 3

I believe

[ripe flame]

Can't wait

I love them

[ripe flame]

I think so too

[azure bay]

I don't think they preserved their memories, personalities, faces and (in Elisabeth's case) blindness

Only Boar gives strong Gerard vibes

and that's it

[ripe flame]

She says: smell a bit fishy. So, she saved her blind.

Don't forget

[azure bay]

I disagree on that connection

[ripe flame]

If she isn't blind why she say smell?

She can say oh fish!

[azure bay]

because the fishy scent is strong?

[ripe flame]

Or oh shrimp?

[ripe flame]

Why anther one didn't say it?

Pigeon can say it

Deer

Rabbit

[azure bay]

because you don't use the same pun twice in a row?

[ripe flame]

Why didn't pigeon say: smell a bit fishy! And Pheasent : I don't love fish?

[floral mauve]

I think thats just not the right way of thinking

you need much stronger evidence

for exmaple

if she is blind, why she wants to take photos

she cant see them anyway

[ripe flame]

Okay let's think she isn't blind. Why didn't she say something another not smell

[floral mauve]

does she even know how photos work?

bruh

[ripe flame]

She said about photoshop

[floral mauve]

if she cant see, she wont even have that strong desire of taking photos

[azure bay]

I'm afraid you are overthinking a coincidence. A very random and inevident one.
Besides, let's address an elephant in the room. She doesn't look blind at all.

[ripe flame]

I think that she doesn't see what Harvey gave her. She klick on the gun and then die.

[floral mauve]

bruhhhh

[ripe flame]

What elephant?

[azure bay]

"Elephant in the room" is an idiom that means something big and important people ignore or forget about

[ripe flame]

I think she wants because she wants to be in photos so good so beautiful for descendants

[floral mauve]

if she cant see the photos anyway why she bothers

[ripe flame]

Okay. Umm, say me evidence why she isn't blind.

[ebon aspen]

Couldnt the asura form change some stuff from the basic human form?

[azure bay]

Well, the burden of proof is on you but her eyes look pretty normal for a bird.

[ripe flame]

Well umm because she want to save for her children photos of when she is young

[azure bay]

and I don't think that blindness could be ignored at her job

[analog yacht]

She's an actress, that's why she's taking photos. They're for her job yeah

The poster pointed out as much

[ripe flame]

Photoshoping?

As

Aaa

[azure bay]

photoshooting

[ripe flame]

Singing

[floral mauve]

how exactly are you suggesting

[ripe flame]

Oh well

[ripe flame]

Yes

[floral mauve]

also, why are we focusing on pheasant

[ripe flame]

I think she is blind and she doesn't see what we give her. She klicked on the button and .. she died... I think so I said it above 👆

[floral mauve]

its the same for most of the guests

[ebon aspen]

(Just to be sure, no one is saying that beth and ms pheasant arent the same, right?
I reread the convo and i think i misunderstood the points at first XD)

[floral mauve]

they dont show family connection towards each other or greet each other as close ppl

[ebon aspen]

(If so just ignore my question lol)

[floral mauve]

yea, but one thing is certain that they are all mortal

weapons can kill

[ripe flame]

Deer drinks bloody Mary, and Nicholas drinked blood. Gerard dated burger and Boar too. Pheasent is blind and Elithabeth too. Pigeon and Rabbit? Any ideas?

[azure bay]

(in some way they are but seemingly aren't)

[floral mauve]

I think thats intentional relevance but sure

also

I am gonna spoil something

the guests have official ages

with different jobs

[analog yacht]

Tbf there are a lot of repeating bits so I wouldn't necessarily count that as evidence

[ripe flame]

I'm guessing

[ebon aspen]

Pigeon died while being a soup (revenge for the frogs, i like it)
And rabbit died after doing shenanigans

[azure bay]

yeah, this means that they are the same entities but that doesn't mean that they preserved their past life anyithing.

[floral mauve]

I love pigeon soup

[ebon aspen]

Totally null lore wise, but cool details

[ripe flame]

Well... Harvey made a soup with piegon? She made a soup with frogs, and Harvey make a soup with she in the bathroom?

[ebon aspen]

Technically speaking, yes

[ripe flame]

Mm idk

[ripe flame]

Okay

[analog yacht]

She was boiled/electrocuted in water so ig it counts XD

[ripe flame]

And rabbit? What shenanigans are you taking about?

[analog yacht]

magic

[ripe flame]

Oh yes xD

[analog yacht]

dangerous magic tricks

[ebon aspen]

Just for starters, how does it matter if ms pheasant was blind or not? Im curious now tbh XD

[azure bay]

I like another similar detail. Margaret hiding in that very cauldron

and being boiled by Jacob :з

[ripe flame]

And in paradise? What magic was in it? That he became big fly?

[analog yacht]

I have no clue. I'm just pointing out what Rabbit's shenanigans are

[floral mauve]

omg same feel

I dont think it matters

[ripe flame]

Oh well

Idkk

[azure bay]

I think the only thing that makes David remotely a magician is his frog trick

[analog yacht]

Pffffff

[floral mauve]

approve

tbh

[ebon aspen]

david stuff
Basically doing weird things, but thats more a personality trait than a coincidence like the others
Tbh david just do many diff things thats kinda hard to figure out similar details lol

[floral mauve]

I never see the relevance between pheasant and elizabeth

[ripe flame]

I stopped reading at David xD lol
Well idk.. He became fly, isn't it magic?

[floral mauve]

Elizabeth should be a musician or painter

not actress

[analog yacht]

that's just lake bullshit tbh

[azure bay]

I think it's not his magic but the one of the lake

[floral mauve]

we see no actress in Paradise

[ripe flame]

She is singer

She can't draw if look on my guessings

[azure bay]

in Hotel she was more of an actress with her masks

[floral mauve]

well she is an actress

https://blog.rustylake.com/introducing-ms-pheasant/

[ripe flame]

Oh well

[analog yacht]

Yup

[ebon aspen]

Theyre both artists, if theres something to connect

[floral mauve]

fair enough

[ripe flame]

Okay but oh idk

[ebon aspen]

There are just some similar traits/likes/dislikes from one life to the other, not much that makes both identical

[floral mauve]

the thing is, we didnt throw the entire reincarnation samsara stuff at this person

[ripe flame]

Pheasent isn't artist is she?

[floral mauve]

yet

[azure bay]

what a great frog flute music that was ^ω^

[azure bay]

artist in the broader term

the woman of art

[analog yacht]

"performance art"

aka actress

[ripe flame]

Ohh

I don't know guys really

[ebon aspen]

Talking about samsara stages, any chance of the eilanders reappearing besides like the shadows of the lake?

[ripe flame]

Can I ask u anothe thing?

[ebon aspen]

Or we just assumed the vanderbooms already are linked to them as reincarnations somehow

[analog yacht]

Kinda wanna replay hotel now

[azure bay]

There are such theories. But nothing worthy besides Pheasant in Theatre and Rabbit in Birthday

[ebon aspen]

Dunno if theres any clue on how hard is to leave the stages

[analog yacht]

even though I'll just get distracted with exciting murder

[fallow hollow]

she is an actress

[ripe flame]

Oh well

[azure bay]

you don't need to ask if you can. Just go for it

[ripe flame]

But why does she sings? Does actress sings? I didn't know

[fallow hollow]

btw she is also very simikar to the lady from theatre

[azure bay]

we are speaking of which of her appearances?

[fallow hollow]

if she plays at opera then yes

[floral mauve]

I had several discussions of this before, perhaps leaving the CS stage, u can learn from william or Laura, balance their past life substances, such as in seasons and in roots

[ripe flame]

Oh well ok

[azure bay]

also Dale takes a huge effort

[ebon aspen]

Yk, artists can be multimedia XD

[ebon aspen]

Oh right, good luck for the eilanders with it

[floral mauve]

well, he is different, that dude is aiming for full elixir golden cube, deva blablabla

[azure bay]

can you not call it full for me plz? thank you, luv you

[floral mauve]

well two of them are making some effort but the rest are still like wild ghosts around the lake

[floral mauve]

awwww

[ripe flame]

Okay guys. Why in roots women born children after eat borning potion, after smelling flowers , after idk roots of tree ... Where is Emma's man and why she didn't have him???? Why Rose borned child not from her man after idk?!?! Why Mary borned children after potion?? Can she just born without it?

[analog yacht]

Because it's a surreal game

it's not supposed to be logical

[azure bay]

well, in some cases it can be

[analog yacht]

I mean yeah
But not in these cases XD

The potion was just to induce labour so she'd give birth easier

[ebon aspen]

Holy shit i just imagined a big battle between the "let the lake do its shit and leave me alone" team and the "we need to feed the lake" crew
Will happen? Ofc not, but dang it would be cool

[azure bay]

that's what I'm talking about

[ebon aspen]

Dont expect logic, its the lake ppl we are talking about

[ripe flame]

Okay

[fallow hollow]

yup

[ebon aspen]

Not thats thaaaaat unlikely and has no bit of explanation, but yeah gl to getting fertilized by flowers and stuff

[analog yacht]

Like, there's a vague logic going around but it's not a realistic logic, if that makes sense XD

[azure bay]

well, I consider looking for it rather a good thing. That's what we theorists do. Sometimes it's justified, sometimes not. But if we don't do that at all there's no chance of finding some really cool explanations where you don't expect them

[ripe flame]

I gotta go guys have a nice day/night!

[analog yacht]

Because it's surreal and strange

[azure bay]

🇺🇦

[floral mauve]

well, some ppl consider Emma's pregnancy as a symbolism

it might be her man left her

[ebon aspen]

Those weird happenings could also be metaphors, considering the memories and mental health stuff going around, but if we go too deep it will end on the "it was a dream all along" trope and welp
So it may be just the lake, may be imagination and trying to differ one from the other can be kinda pointless

[floral mauve]

or it could be a magical flower that fucks ppl

[fallow hollow]

yes

[fallow hollow]

im for this theory

[analog yacht]

Emma got her that plant boyfriend

[ebon aspen]

In the end of the day emma had a child anyways

[analog yacht]

talk about a treehugger

(That pun was awful, I'm sorry XD)

[floral mauve]

I thought tree hanger

[fallow hollow]

emma was so single so she bought that "grow a bf figure" and thats it

[analog yacht]

oof XD

[floral mauve]

[analog yacht]

That went dark XD

[fallow hollow]

this thing i mean

[analog yacht]

PFF

[ripe flame]

❤️ 🇺🇦

[ebon aspen]

Okay lads and ladies this is going farer than theories and lets go back bf we start making really awful jokes on what happened to emma

[fallow hollow]

xd

ok

what are yours favourite theories about rl universe?

[floral mauve]

I agree with this, this is the issue in twd as well tbh

[floral mauve]

atm?

Elizabeth is the mom of Aldous theory

[fallow hollow]

oo i havent heard that onee yet

tell me morrre

[floral mauve]

from here @fallow hollow

[ebon aspen]

Really hard question, would tell its easier to say the least fav one but thats a though task too

[floral mauve]

this theory is at least 4 years old

but its the best shit ever

[fallow hollow]

ok you can tell the least fav

[ebon aspen]

It makes sense with how much stuff we have on that singer, its really a nice one

I doubt the devs would throw her in the mix just to make an explanation for the theatre

(Ofc it could just be it but its nice nonetheless)

[floral mauve]

exactly

such ashame there is no more games after cave

in terms of Dale related excluding twd

[ebon aspen]

I wonder how much we will go stray from albert in tpw, ig we will get lots of info on concepts but not many bits onto other characters

[floral mauve]

I have no idea who will be invovlved except Rose and Albert

[north hound]

I have a theory that aldous and william vandermoon were a pair for caroline's elixir and that

according to paradox

aldous v. is Mr. Crow

and that william died and is the man in the clock in samsara room with the seed

proof is that the dead man in the clock had the same face/beard as the portrait of william shown in a previous game

[analog yacht]

That's so to say considered canon I think

Yes, Crow is Aldous and William is the man in the clock

[north hound]

:D

also

idk if this is going too far

but

[floral mauve]

Aren’t u spitting facts?

[north hound]

i think that william is reborn into laura

[north hound]

0-o

[floral mauve]

Those are confirmed stuff

Not theories

[north hound]

me too lazy to read and doesnt realize

[floral mauve]

Bruh

[north hound]

lol

[analog yacht]

Yeah the whole point of Roots was to allow William to be reborn into Laura

[north hound]

o

sry i haven't played roots or hotel ;-;

[analog yacht]

Where'd you get all the info then? XD

[north hound]

idk

;-;

[analog yacht]

Aww dude. You should try it when you can though, those are both super fun

[north hound]

mk

ill try

ik im missing a lot of lore ;-;

[analog yacht]

It's okay, we've all been there ^^

[north hound]

also

do you guys know why in almost every cube escape game they say "there will be blood" and "the past isn't in the past, it's not even past"

it made sense in birthday

but then it felt repetitive

[analog yacht]

Consider it a... Catchphrase of sorts. It's a recurring theme

[floral mauve]

Some phrases they keep using

Just RL vibes

[floral mauve]

But it’s the past is never dead, it’s not even the past

And this quote probably is the most significant one

Blood is just literal blood

Ppl die

[north hound]

ik i always get it mixed up :/

[north hound]

fax

i mean

in every game

somebody ends up dying

either that

or you find somebody dead

like

in samsara room

nobody dies

but william is there, already dead

[floral mauve]

I mean it’s rusty lake

[north hound]

but in birthday

[floral mauve]

What do you expect

[north hound]

ur parents die

[floral mauve]

Ppl die

[north hound]

for like 10 mins

[north hound]

i mean

what else do you expect from a horror/mistery themed escape room game

kinda the main theme at this point

in a parallel universe rusty lake do be just releasing wholesome games

[analog yacht]

AU Rusty Lake be like.... Rosy Lake or some shit

There will be [petals]

[north hound]

lol

facts

im prob dumb if this is confirmed and im just not up to date

but

i think that in samsara room we play as william

because

after william is reborn into laura

william's old soul turns into a corrupted soul

and

when we look in the mirror in the normal room

text shows us say

"is that me?"

and in the mirror is the corrupted soul

which only makes sense for us to be william's old/corrupted soul

call me dumb if that's stupid or already canon

o

and also

in the end of samsara room

you see laura as a baby

(you know it's laura because of the pattern of the cloth next to the baby)

which would only make sense if we were playing as william

kinda like if william's old/corrupted soul was searching for a new host/body

in this case

to be reborn as laura

[analog yacht]

Samsara Room is kinda the in between of a part that happened at the end of Roots

[north hound]

ye

so it only makes sense

also

as we've seen in previous games

there's no specific order of the games just based on release dates

sometimes they release backstory/lore games like samsara room more recently

even though in the rusty lake universe

this happened a long time ago

[analog yacht]

They have a recommended order in #📚｜resources at least

[north hound]

ye

[slow ridge]

In here Emma painted herself before committing suicide

And she could notice the corrupted soul standing next to her before she died

Did the Vanderboom actually realises the existence of a corrupted soul (William) in their house all along?

William’s soul had been prowling in the house, watching the children grow, taking the organs of a dead family member, and having contact with Aldous (Mr Crow)

Did he actually help with shaping the family’s tragedy aside from having Albert involved? Maybe like whispering things into his ears and giving Albert ideas to cause the family’s misery or manipulating Emma to kill herself. Or did he only just watch things happening all along and only make his move whenever a family died?

Did the vanderbooms actually consider him like a male servant often? Because I remember him helping with cutting Frank’s hair and drawing him a bath, and possible helping with taking the wedding photo

[ebon aspen]

Id say that yes, they could feel william's presence and maybe even see him (considering how visible the cs are in other games)
And he made everything so he could reborn as laura

Collecting the sacrifices and stuff

[slow ridge]

They may actually already know something is prowling in their house, but they don’t know that is William until Rose ask him

[azure bay]

I'd say Emma was able to see him because she was close to her death. So did Leonard in trenches.

Ida was supposedly the only one to see William with no effort

[digital oriole]

Since Ida was able to see William & since she was also able to see the future, why did she marry Samuel anyway?

[tribal sundial]

Love makes people stupid

[floral mauve]

also, its kinda looks like the crow looking CS rather than William

its in dress

[floral mauve]

here you have a valid question, but I think only Ida and Rose can communicate with William

I believe Ida can see him

[azure bay]

For me, a beak is a more important detail than a dress. You think I'm weird?

[floral mauve]

the sacrifices are a good question, I personally do believe part of them is just the game play or William collect the body parts after they have been removed

[floral mauve]

idk, William in a dress is just cursed

[azure bay]

Technically, it's never a dress. It's a dress-looking corrupted mass

[floral mauve]

yes

even that

its still cursed

Just doesnt look like William to me

[analog yacht]

Feet said " "

[floral mauve]

that person in the painting

[azure bay]

And more so the bird CS

[floral mauve]

it could be other ppl than CS

we are never certain

about it

[azure bay]

I pick William because William is confirmed to be there

[floral mauve]

yes but how Can Emma see him and why does she draw William in dress shape

its easy to say its William but there are some weird stuff about it

[azure bay]

1st question is valid for any CS
2nd, I choose not to attribute any importance to this detail

[floral mauve]

then whats the point of Rose using the ouija board

if a CS can be seen and can talk

[azure bay]

I assume, Emma and Leo were close to death

And that's why they saw William

[digital oriole]

💯 answer

[azure bay]

Or she's fatalistic

[delicate atlas]

Laura and Caroline's CSs looked like that too

So it could be William's

I don't think it's a dress though

Probably a design change for CSs in general

Depending on if they're feeling like drawing legs or no

I think a cs with no legs looks cooler and more scary

[delicate atlas]

OOF

My bad

But tbf william was there when she was painting and before she killed herself

He sort of helped her doing it

So it makes sense she'd paint that

Maybe she left that painting to warn her family of what's going on

[azure bay]

Debatable

[delicate atlas]

I meant as in the gameplay

We play as William's cs

And he gives emma all the stuff she needs to do it

Or was the rope already there?

I kinda can't remember

[azure bay]

The rope was

The gameplay may be just gmaplay

[delicate atlas]

True

[slow ridge]

But literally everyone could see/feel him as long as he allowed. Frank let him cut his hair and bathe him. He talked to Rose with the spirit board

[azure bay]

It's debatable

[slow ridge]

Maybe we would know why in the past within

[slow ridge]

We don’t really play as William all the times, it depends on that chapter. We are playing as James while planting the seed, then we are playing as Albert while killing Ida and Samuel, and playing Frank while escaping the well etc.

[azure bay]

She's a clearvoyant of sort

[azure bay]

Then why couldn't Frank just shave himself and William just pick up the hair?

[floral mauve]

then we will control them and be first person

[azure bay]

I disagree

That would look lame imo

[slow ridge]

If you played the game, you will see William breaking the mirror into shards after looking at himself (also finding the key to open the cupboard), it was him who groomed and bathe Frank

[floral mauve]

thats how I thought it is

[azure bay]

There's no connection between the mirror and grooming. William could just wait and watch

[floral mauve]

even though some of the body parts are kinda risky of stealing

like eyes and brain

[slow ridge]

Maybe 🫠

[floral mauve]

I believe Albert and Frank would notice if they are gone from the corpse

[azure bay]

What does it mean for William?

[floral mauve]

dunno

perhaps no timepieces

plan ruined

[azure bay]

There's a problem which was somehow resolved if existed

Our job is to justify

How

[north hound]

idk if this is a good theory or not

but

i think that laura and dale were next door neighbours

[azure bay]

What makes you think so?

[north hound]

well

first of all

in birthday

in the window you have to draw a tree in the middle

just like in the drawing

and after mr. rabbit dies a tree grows

both trees look the same as the one in the photo of laura

also

after mr rabbit dies and the tree grows

harvey is on top of the tree

and in case 23

harvey flies to the top of a tree as well

it would also make sense on how dale felt "connected" to laura

in paradox

the type writer says

"case 23 might be the key to escaping my mind"

[azure bay]

Stray wait

[floral mauve]

alright

[north hound]

case 23 being the case of her death

AND

dale's last name

vanderboom

translates to

wait

lemme check again just so i dont look stupid

it means

"of the tree"

and in every photo of laura

she is

[delicate atlas]

Also the tree is reoccurring

Makes it seem important

[north hound]

"infront of a tree"

[north hound]

ye

also

wait

i think i got confused w/ the last name

[delicate atlas]

Laura is Vanderboom

[north hound]

CRAP

UHH

HE IS

[delicate atlas]

Dale is Vandermeer

[north hound]

VANDERMEER

[floral mauve]

yes

[north hound]

BRO

the actual def is even better

vandermeer

means

who lived by the lake

or

of the lake

and

GUESS WHAT

[floral mauve]

tree

[north hound]

laura's ancestors are from the lake

rusty lake paradise

also

[azure bay]

or who will rule the lake but you are getting carried away

[north hound]

;-;

[azure bay]

I mean it all started with Dale and Laura living next door

and now you are getting further and further off the topic

[north hound]

lol....

uhhhhhhh

i just noticed

i moved on from

them living next door to eachother

rn im talking about how/why they r kinda connected in a way

[azure bay]

you seem to have forgotten another thing the typewriter says "Why do I keep thinking of that woman? I never met her. It was just another case"

[north hound]

ik

that's the only thing that set off my theory

but

once again

when he woke up in paradox

he didnt know where he was or why he was there

so maybe he forgot some of his other memories as well

i dont think he randomly appeared there

afk

[floral mauve]

well he was in the cave

so its not randomly

[azure bay]

another thing, you see, the notes and monologues are the only things that provide us exposition. If the devs make Dale say that he didn't know her, it's likely so. Otherwise we have no trustworthy source left.

Besides, remembering your case victim but forgetting that she used to be your neighbor is weird, don't you think?

However I can see Dale being possibly connected to Laura in some way

It's just not them sharing the street

[delicate atlas]

Well, when Laura appears in chapter 2 she knows Dale's name

And she talks to him as if they knew each other

[floral mauve]

illusions

[delicate atlas]

Unless that's Mr. Owl and Mr. Crow's doing

Yeah probably

[floral mauve]

I never believe Mr Owl would really bother to create a real Laura in Dale's mind

[delicate atlas]

And if she was his neighbor when he was 9 no wonder he'd forget her when he's 40 💀

[floral mauve]

PLUS

[azure bay]

It could also be her future-self that could be more aware of things

[floral mauve]

Laura was only 3 years old when the Brithday massacre happened

3-4

[delicate atlas]

Oh

[floral mauve]

in order to make them childhood friends...

not impossible

but still

[azure bay]

they didn't speak of childhood friendship

[floral mauve]

btw, the samsara shrimp ending window was in mansion right?

I dont remember much

[azure bay]

Technically, that was SR window

[floral mauve]

alright

bruh

[delicate atlas]

Yeah just casual acquaintances

[delicate atlas]

I'm talking about this

[floral mauve]

apparently that makes CS William seeing the future

[azure bay]

I'm betting on Laura growing up at the Lake and Dale having no clue about it

[floral mauve]

same feeling

[delicate atlas]

Yeah that would make sense

[floral mauve]

I just wont consider Rose as an actively moving person

plus

[delicate atlas]

Maybe the tree part is hinting at Laura's future house

But that's a stretch

[floral mauve]

we would see more details in tpw

[delicate atlas]

True

[floral mauve]

about how she thinks about her father

[azure bay]

We have the same tree sprite in Seasons, Birthday and The Lake

[floral mauve]

maybe thats the reason she stays

[azure bay]

It's not that uncommon

[delicate atlas]

Makes sense

[charred forum]

a question theory: what are the 9 icons supposed to be if you finish all advancements in collection?

[floral mauve]

we dont know yet

we will see in the future

[charred forum]

any theories tho

[floral mauve]

probably like a set of codes in paradox

[charred forum]

yea

[charred forum]

tru

[azure bay]

like Paradise-Paradox easter egg

[vale marsh]

That doesn't mean that Laura isn't a moving person. I guess it just depends on what she meant when she said her "daughter will return to the lake".

Do we even know what the Rusty Lake Mental Health and Fishing facilities even look like???

[azure bay]

It means that at some point she left the lake and returns there in 1969

[vale marsh]

I didn't fully back read so I might have missed something btw

[azure bay]

For now I assume it's the hotel. Owl was telling Boar about his fishing facilities

[vale marsh]

I feel like it has probably changed in some form since 1893.

[azure bay]

in what way?

[vale marsh]

For some reason I assumed it was a set of houses by the lake... kinda like an assisted living facility.

But that's mainly based off of Seasons.

I have little to no evidence to back it up.

[azure bay]

we kinda saw the landscape in The Cave

there was nothing new

honestly, I think the landscape was drawn after the Case 23 map

with Vanderboom's house as the only addition

[vale marsh]

Now, I'm yet to play the game, but...

What about the location of The White Door?

[azure bay]

It's likely in Dale's city

Which is also likely Hoorn's city

and it took his daughter a plane flight to cover the distance between it and the lake

[vale marsh]

If I found the right twitter, they had promotional business cards for the game that said "Mental Health and Fishing"

[azure bay]

The same brand, different locations, I think

[vale marsh]

You think they somehow bring patients to the lake or something?

[azure bay]

I guess they could IF they needed it

[covert wyvern]

ha i Mean if the business cards r canon TWD is located in the netherlands considering the phone number

[vale marsh]

If they are cannon, it's mainly the "fishing" bit that gets me, as the only other location that uses that combo is the lake.

[azure bay]

Well, I see no problem with calling cards being canon. I see problems with RL registering a number in a different country

[azure bay]

what's the problem?

[vale marsh]

It wouldn't be out of the ordinary to assume there are a lot of mental health places....

But mental health and fishing, idk.

[azure bay]

they are owned by literally the same person

that spreads his influence on different regions

[vale marsh]

Not saying it's a problem. It's the bit that makes me think they-

Wait is that cannon?

[azure bay]

what is?

[vale marsh]

That the two facilities are connected.

[azure bay]

Mr. Owl is the manager

of TWD

[vale marsh]

Okay I guess that is more "me learning the truth through an extremely complicated path" episode 26.

[floral mauve]

the convo was about arguing the possibility Laura and Dale lived next to each other when Birthday happened

which Laura was only 3 years old

[azure bay]

well, the connection was somehow obvious for me

[vale marsh]

Ahhh okay.

[azure bay]

even though I didn't believe for long that was Owl himself

[vale marsh]

It's a habit for me. Miss the obvious but get to the same conclusion through making connections I sometimes doubt the creators of the given media had in mind.

[azure bay]

I believe, the actually obvious should be obvious for everyone

I guess, my reasoning was MH&F, Crow suggesting Bob a solution and a Hotel picture in Manager's office

[vale marsh]

I've also never played the game iirc

[azure bay]

I guess, that's the reason

[vale marsh]

I think it's in my steam library, but I just never downloaded it. So I have no idea where it fits in save for who you play as.

[azure bay]

Then what are you waiting for? :з

[vale marsh]

A desire to play it.

Anyways...

Where do you think Seasons is?

[azure bay]

In the very end of Laura's story

[vale marsh]

I meant physical location... but sure that works too.

[azure bay]

Her memories

inside the cubes

which can be anywhere

starting from her place and finishing with the lake

[north hound]

do u guys know if it was s*icide or

m*rder

laura's death

because

in case 23

there are no weapons around her body

[analog yacht]

most likely the former

We see hints of it in other stories

[north hound]

like what?

[analog yacht]

In Paradox (I think) with her holding a knife to her own throat

And there are theories that the CS in Seasons is her own, which teeeeeeechnically counts?

[floral mauve]

In Cave

in her memory

[analog yacht]

Ohhh Cave

[floral mauve]

she used a knife

[analog yacht]

Thank you

Paradox is Dale as the CS

[floral mauve]

as I mentioned a few days ago, I wont consider the first scene of Case 23 as a real death scene of Laura

it is most likely to be staged by Mr Owl

[north hound]

i never thought of that

:V

lol

what's worse

the eilander family or the afton family

or the vandermeers

[floral mauve]

is this some theory that I dont get

[viscid veldt]

Not familiar with FNAF lore but I'd much rather be a Vandermeer than an Eilander, the Vandermeers seem like a relatively normal family while being an Eilander means cutting yourself off from society and being part of a pagan death cult on an island

[charred forum]

if william became laura, and laura is dead now, what happens to the william in her?

is he also dead

more like

corrupted soul tho

[analog yacht]

Reincarnation

[charred forum]

but still

[floral mauve]

William was never her, William personality is dead once he reincarnated into Laura

[charred forum]

that is tru

[floral mauve]

his memories might be sealed in Laura's head

as past life

[charred forum]

its just that her mind has wills memories right

[floral mauve]

yep

[charred forum]

so what will happen to william

[floral mauve]

wdym

[charred forum]

since laura is dead

[floral mauve]

William personality is likely gone

[charred forum]

ik so

[floral mauve]

if you are talking about Soul

[charred forum]

well yes

[floral mauve]

Laura and William are the same soul

[charred forum]

yes

[floral mauve]

just different personalities

[charred forum]

so does william die too

[floral mauve]

which make it easier to understand

bruh

[charred forum]

lol

[floral mauve]

did you get what I mean

[charred forum]

im bad at explaining

[charred forum]

yes, but

so

[floral mauve]

his personality is already dead when he reincarnated after the samsara room

however

there is still hope

[charred forum]

laura is dead, with williams mind?

take the personality part out

as shown in paradox

[floral mauve]

since Rusty lake might adopt a different view than the original samsara concept

[charred forum]

oh

yea ok

makes sense now

[floral mauve]

well the soul of Laura is currently in CS form

according to original samsara idea, each form is a life

but apparently

in RL, CS form is linked to the previous life

[floral mauve]

which seems to be possible of going uncorrupted

in the future

but we dont know whether Laura will come back as Laura or a random new personality

just like William

[charred forum]

it would be nice if the past within is lore

not lik white door or arles

off-lore

[floral mauve]

I dont get what you mean

[charred forum]

we know the second player is rose

[floral mauve]

I hope they release it by the end of May

[charred forum]

yea

[charred forum]

uk how arles and white door is not exactly lore right

[floral mauve]

I still dont get

[charred forum]

its off of the story

[floral mauve]

how so

[charred forum]

so

white door is about bobs memory

[floral mauve]

yea

how is that off story

[charred forum]

its not really about the rusty lake

[floral mauve]

it provided many valuable info

[floral mauve]

it is

[charred forum]

it does contain bobs backstories tru

but

we could just

assume

[floral mauve]

Like Dale's choice

[charred forum]

oh

ok makes sense

at least arles tho

[floral mauve]

and how stories turn out in his perspective

[charred forum]

its off of the real lore

[floral mauve]

like theatre

was different

[charred forum]

ya

[floral mauve]

well, the concept of Arles is not off topic

[charred forum]

tru

[floral mauve]

It shows a way of escaping from the corrupted soul

[charred forum]

since van gough is a corrupted

[floral mauve]

shoot it

[charred forum]

yup

which connects to birthday

of the exact same gun(?) for the rabbit with da gan

[floral mauve]

how

emmm

nope

its completely different

two guns

[charred forum]

lol im still a rookie :'(

[floral mauve]

I know

dont worry

just try to think a bit more deep

find some connections

Fun fact

[charred forum]

yea

[charred forum]

ok

[floral mauve]

Arles is where the first white cube appears in timeline across the series

if I am not mistaken

In paradise, there is no white cube being extracted or produced

[charred forum]

tru

[charred forum]

as timelined, it is true

since there is no white cube even in roots or hotel

[floral mauve]

in Hotel there is actually

But it works slightly differently

and Miss Pigeon is studying on white cubes

[floral mauve]

thats the other fun fact, this is first time ever someone write about white cubes in timeline

perhaps Mr Owl investigated her study

[charred forum]

ohhhh

is there a character which is suspected for being mr bat and harvey

[floral mauve]

you mean human?

[charred forum]

yea

[floral mauve]

dont think so

[charred forum]

oh yea forgor

crap

im dumb

[rapid shuttle]

playing thecase Is the whole story here about drinking the elixir to become a beast?

owl and crow

[floral mauve]

not beast

elixir or enlightenment

is to bring human to a higher stage

in buddhism its called asura

beast or animal is a stage lower than human

[rapid shuttle]

Sorry, I will talk to you later, I am still breaking.

[floral mauve]

good luck on whatever you are breaking

jk

[slow ridge]

Do they remember what happen in paradise before they are turned actually?

It seems only mr crow and mr owl have memories about their past.

[floral mauve]

do they show any connection towards each other?

[slow ridge]

But it seems the others pay o attention to it

[floral mauve]

I mean guests

[slow ridge]

If you play paradise, you will find out they are used to a family

[floral mauve]

No

I mean

[azure bay]

I guess, it's possible to remember your past but not recognizing the others

[floral mauve]

Do they call each other friendly or as family member

or do they even communicate with each other

if I live in a hotel, I wont speak a single word with anyone who live next door

[azure bay]

well

I think they could interact with each other

[floral mauve]

well then they should use the same name or ask about the past

[slow ridge]

Not mentioned

[floral mauve]

exactly then

[azure bay]

why?

[slow ridge]

But some of them know their own names

[floral mauve]

because usually not everyone likes to riddle

[azure bay]

imagine a situation

[slow ridge]

If you play paradox chapter 2, Dale dials a number to mr rabbit in his birthday

Mr rabbit is called David Eliander in the phone book

The name of his past life

[floral mauve]

indeed

[slow ridge]

Did the family separate after the ritual and live their own lives

[floral mauve]

yes

[floral mauve]

we dont know but according to the age maybe they reincarnated in different time

[slow ridge]

So they didn’t turn into animals for an instant

[azure bay]

you and all your classmates have all performed a plastic surgery and were secretly reunited by your teacher in a restaurant 30 years after graduation. Would you speak to those seemingly strangers about your distant past?

[slow ridge]

I always thought that they are stuck and become animal masks they wear after that ritual

[floral mauve]

no but thats different

every asura has a past

human

whereas humans wont ask this type of stuff towards each other

[slow ridge]

Or did they have vague memory about what happened, and this has lured them to the hotel?

[floral mauve]

I personally believe they dont

unless they trigger it

probably by external force

[slow ridge]

They were all there for their reasons, like Mr deer is trying to investigate the lake, with Ms Pigeon inventing a machines which has to do with memory cubes

[azure bay]

I'm not convinced

[floral mauve]

every asura knows that there is a past human for each of them

but not every human walking on the street know oh you had plastic surgery

[slow ridge]

It is not their first time to visit the hotel if you play roots

Is it?

Mr owl gain their trust by taking them to the hotel. They find it enjoyable and visit it for one more time.

[floral mauve]

I believe they are regular guests

[slow ridge]

Is the hotel actually built in the site the eliander used to live?

[floral mauve]

yes

[slow ridge]

They must feel familiar about it then

[floral mauve]

thats another proof of having no memory after reincarnation

or at least concealed it

[slow ridge]

A vague one probably

So did they get enlightened instantly or did the ritual only worked after they died?

[floral mauve]

there are many strong ones

like different character traits

[azure bay]

and?

[slow ridge]

Their traits remain mostly.

[floral mauve]

its not a good example u used

[slow ridge]

Mr deer in gentlemanly figure, ms pigeon a grandmother like character
Mr boar remains filthy

[azure bay]

I bet on him regaining his past life memories after dying once more and starting his journey towards rebirth

[slow ridge]

By killing Dale’s parents?

[floral mauve]

idk about that

[azure bay]

that's not a goal but a mean

and before that

[floral mauve]

how is torturing bird grandma like character

[slow ridge]

I thought is was a fake test conducted by mr crow and mr owl

[slow ridge]

Of course they had changes

[floral mauve]

plus

age

[slow ridge]

But maybe did their new forms reveal their ‘true colors’ inside?

Like how Elizabeth Eliander told her brother

[floral mauve]

wdym

there are many interpretations

plus

[slow ridge]

If you play the ending chapter of paradise, Elizabeth warned Jacob everyone will reveal their true colours in the last plague

[floral mauve]

in their case I believe no memories so they start from 0

[floral mauve]

I know the line

but you have to interpret the meaning

[azure bay]

At what point was it a test?

[slow ridge]

Those animal masks actually resembles their characters, features and nature they had

[floral mauve]

pheasant likes to take selfies?

and alcoholic deer?

if u can see the nature from the mask

I am impressed

[slow ridge]

Eg. David/Rabbit: mischievous, crafty
Nicholas/deer: Gentlemanly, snobbish, professional
Elizabeth/Pheasant: (Possibly) vain, like to pursuit beauty

[floral mauve]

I dont know about Elizabeth

[slow ridge]

Jacob’s sister

The blind girl

[floral mauve]

no

I mean

I dont think she has the trait of pursuing beauty

[slow ridge]

Maybe she hid it in her past life

[floral mauve]

maybe

[slow ridge]

But Ms pheasant is an interesting case

[vale marsh]

I was looking at this earlier, and I wasn't sure how she fit with the pheasant, either.

[slow ridge]

Elizabeth -> ms pheasant ->lay of the lake? Elizabeth barely shares any trait with the pheasant and the lady of the lake except wearing the mask

Lady

But it was her

[azure bay]

That's exactly why them having past-life memories is debatable

they may have preserved some traits

or even none

[vale marsh]

I know the mask bit. I meant the symbolism.

[azure bay]

or even all

[slow ridge]

You’re right

[azure bay]

but I see no evidence of them actually recalling everything during Hotel

they are in a weird situation

[vale marsh]

I mean, in both Hotel and Paradise you have to give the boar/guy associated with the boar mask a sandwich that results in a bathroom break.

[azure bay]

all returning to their old homeplace to see it completely changed

and then disappearing one by one

[vale marsh]

Ms. Pheasant seemed to be doing a one-bird show.

Mr. Deer and Mrs. Pigeon are the ones who seemed to have more sinister motives imo.

[azure bay]

they are researchers

a chemist and an engineer

one researching the lake the other researching the brain electrical activity and cube extraction

[slow ridge]

Well, Nicholas used to be a voodoo doctor, also the one who starts the plan of burning his wife and son alive , making him a chemist is fine too

[vale marsh]

Well, having a baby bird as an unwilling experiment doesn't seem very moral by today's standards (especially since the entire game is antro characters)

[azure bay]

1. that's called plague doctor
2. I'm not convinced that was Nicolas in the 1st place. He gave no vibes of Nicolas

[slow ridge]

It is Nicholas actually, some sources said that too

[azure bay]

what sources? A wiki moderated by a single person?

[slow ridge]

Fandom

I thought he is the plague doctor too

[azure bay]

we can think whatever we want. But objectively there is no surface-level connection between these 2

[vale marsh]

Theories aren't always concrete or objective imo.

[azure bay]

that's why you need to be careful while building other theories based on them

[vale marsh]

It's why, In my opinion, theories should be able to bend and adapt as mew information comes to light.

[azure bay]

My way is thinking through all possibilities and their combinations

[vale marsh]

Would a witch doctor count?? Or... is he just some priest/religious person (only putting that idea cause of the ceremonial masks & robes he wears)

[azure bay]

the plague doctor (Nicolas or not) was there to help cure Gerard

@slow ridge either way a leap between plague doctor and chemist is quite huge

so is a leap from a cult leader

[rapid shuttle]

@straynut321#1822

[azure bay]

I'll be for him

[rapid shuttle]

can ask you

[azure bay]

go ahead

[rapid shuttle]

Do you have any special meaning after playing to play the final detective?

[azure bay]

could you paraphrase your question? I don't understand

[rapid shuttle]

In addition, the elixir of life can live forever, but it will turn into a low-race beast?

[floral mauve]

Probably he is using google translate

[floral mauve]

As I said it’s not animal or beast, it’s enlightenment asura which seems to be superior than human

[rapid shuttle]

Because I can't type English, I can only use google translate

[floral mauve]

Not discriminating any stages

Just spitting facts

[rapid shuttle]

learn

I'm afraid you can't read Chinese 😂

[azure bay]

he can

[rapid shuttle]

OK

那我打中文了😂

[floral mauve]

I can understand Chinese

But

Damy is gonna catch u

It’s not allowed

[azure bay]

this is not the right server tho

[floral mauve]

Yep

[covert wyvern]

I will catch you

please keep it English in the main channels, thank you.

[azure bay]

here only English allowed

[floral mauve]

There is no Chinese channel yet

But u can dm

[rapid shuttle]

OK

Then I will continue to play English

[floral mauve]

Dm

[rapid shuttle]

OK

[north hound]

lol

[azure bay]

Lake Owl Laura. HL3 confirmed

[vale marsh]

I was looking at the Paradox chapter 2 walkthrough (I don't wanna play the entire game just to recreate a map), and I saw a comment that I want to bring up here:

Are Mr. Crow and Mr. Owl trying to Help or hinder Dale? Are the two even on the same side?

[azure bay]

Owl is definitely helping. For now I'm sure Crow is on his side

I don't wanna play the entire game just to recreate a map
What map?

[vale marsh]

I got inspired to make a dnd dungeon based off the forest scene.

Anyways, What do you think their end goal is with Dale?

I have some ideas, but I wanna hear yours.

[azure bay]

"My time is limited, Dale, I need a successor, the ruler of the lake. Continue your journey."

[floral mauve]

Mr Owl's expectation on Dale is to become the new ruler

[vale marsh]

Does Mr. Crow have that same expectation??

And while I do agree with you on the expectation, I have no idea how they plan to accomplish it.

[floral mauve]

currently it seems that Mr Crow do agree and follow what Mr Owl told him to do

[azure bay]

In The Cave Crow seems highly aware

s

[charred forum]

red vial: makes key
blue vial: makes corrupted soul
green vial: makes sacrifice

there is no other reference in game for these yet

so i think i might need to watch it later

[rapid shuttle]

Can I ask a little bit about Xiuhu Roots is played according to the year, right?

From earliest to latest

[floral mauve]

I think so

[charred forum]

whats xiu hu

is it rusty lake in chinese

[azure bay]

what was that about?

[charred forum]

from paradox

[azure bay]

I know what game it does come from

It just seems a bit random

[charred forum]

ik