🤔｜theories

[floral mauve]

not in it

[azure bay]

Owl could affect him, I guess

[floral mauve]

but u never point out the problem in my claims

thats why I always feel something is missing

whats the problem with this

[marsh hemlock]

my theory is that dave should get some maidens \

[covert wyvern]

not really a theory, more like an opinion

[azure bay]

Who's Dave?

[high talon]

David ig?

[marsh hemlock]

FUCK

THOUGHT IT WAS DAVE

ITS DALE

wtf

[covert wyvern]

ull get em next time

[floral mauve]

[marsh hemlock]

read it in ghosts voice

😦

[marsh hemlock]

so me

[floral mauve]

Plenty of options we can see

Mr Owl

[marsh hemlock]

yeah

[marsh hemlock]

mr owl would agree

[floral mauve]

I mean

Mr Owl and Dale

[sage token]

Dale is mine

[floral mauve]

[floral mauve]

sounds like an Owl line somehow

[marsh hemlock]

and harvey's mine

NO

[covert wyvern]

laughs in polyam

[sage token]

Lol oh deeaar

[covert wyvern]

we can all share

anyway shipping wars aren't exactly theory material.

[marsh hemlock]

my theories for the past within is that it wil clear up the relation between rose and albert

welp duh

its already in the demo

[high talon]

Arent they father n daughter?

[marsh hemlock]

but something MORE

[marsh hemlock]

yeah but we never saw them together

[high talon]

uhm..

yeah we did??

[marsh hemlock]

like bonding

[high talon]

Oh lmao

[floral mauve]

I was personally expected to see Albert and Dale

[high talon]

sorry i was confused

[marsh hemlock]

nah its fine dawg

[marsh hemlock]

this one too

maybe dale trying to go back to the ROOTS of the problem

insert funni

[high talon]

badum tssssh

[floral mauve]

but its unlikely

since Albert is gonna be in CS form

which means he cant be Dale

1 soul cant be in two forms at once

[sage token]

I wasn't expecting Dale but now I'm hopeful thank you

[floral mauve]

well....

there is a moth

so there should be Dale element

Dale is like the new Harvey

the man exists only in easter egg

[sage token]

I thought moths were Laura's thing

[floral mauve]

maybe both

it was in paradox

[sage token]

And TWD

[azure bay]

black moths are CS and black cube related

[floral mauve]

yep

[high talon]

Shared symbolism can happen

[sage token]

🤔

[azure bay]

Dale's moth has a seemingly different meaning

[high talon]

The moth symbolizes rebirth, change, transformation, resurrection, and the power of regeneration

so maybe it shows "change" for Dale?

[azure bay]

I think it's rather about rebirth

[high talon]

I feel rebirth fits Laura more?

[marsh hemlock]

maybe coming to terms with his anxiety and taking on a more perfect form?"

[azure bay]

and going for enLIGHTenment

[azure bay]

black moths are about death

[high talon]

oh lmao right they were black moths

opps

[floral mauve]

Albert dale still has hope?

which I dont want it to happen

[marsh hemlock]

thats what i was thinking lmao

[floral mauve]

but damn

its spicy

[marsh hemlock]

they could also emphasize a greater death

black moths being eaten by crows

or just mister crow

[high talon]

Tbh i feel Albert would be born [or reborn] with a lot of bad karma

[azure bay]

if there was such thing as karma

which is not evident

[marsh hemlock]

just like the plagues in paradise ?

[floral mauve]

I mean RL doesnt really follow Karma

[high talon]

mmm well maybe not

[floral mauve]

you dont need to do good stuff in order to become asura

[marsh hemlock]

it did with james and his dog

[floral mauve]

how

[marsh hemlock]

welp

[floral mauve]

James did something bad?

[marsh hemlock]

that mf knew his dog could die

if he gave him the elixir

[floral mauve]

ok

stop

stop

[high talon]

did he?

[floral mauve]

too controversial

Damy will kill all of us

[high talon]

I doubt it are we doing smth that harmful really?

[floral mauve]

animal experiment is just controversial

shouldnt discuss it

[marsh hemlock]

but we talking about how bad james was

[high talon]

its ok to talk about as long as its RL?

i think

[floral mauve]

but we have opinions here

[marsh hemlock]

its not like RL is pink and roses

[floral mauve]

still

keep it down

[marsh hemlock]

yeah i get your point

[high talon]

is that a reference im too young do get? [dont tell me]

[marsh hemlock]

but man was william thicc

😳

[floral mauve]

lets change the subject to other karma examples

for example

[high talon]

the Eilander family?

[floral mauve]

Aldous and Willam

[floral mauve]

and this

[marsh hemlock]

loved it until the last plague

[high talon]

I mean that could be seen as karma?

[marsh hemlock]

yeah

[high talon]

in a way?

[marsh hemlock]

its the same scenario

[floral mauve]

they got good endings though

[marsh hemlock]

but it doesnt affect them both as it affects the whole familly

[high talon]

mmm did they?

tho...i mean it eventually caught up with them...

[floral mauve]

technically

they did go into reincarnation

the result is

[high talon]

yeah but i mean David wanted do escape..??

[floral mauve]

they became Asura

then

[marsh hemlock]

nah william was 100% shook of how much horror reigns in the familly

[floral mauve]

Become CS

[high talon]

so it seems like they asked for smth they didnt want..

[marsh hemlock]

even in the bee level

[floral mauve]

the karma thing shouldnt jump two lives

[marsh hemlock]

aldous tells william that their lives will be full of misery

[floral mauve]

?

how shock

[high talon]

i think they are talking about the Vanderbooms

[floral mauve]

I know

[marsh hemlock]

yeah

[floral mauve]

but since we are playing as William

[marsh hemlock]

seeing all of your familly die

[floral mauve]

we usually dont know the feelings of him

[marsh hemlock]

its kinda effed up

[floral mauve]

or lets change perspective

he is happy

since he will reborn

[marsh hemlock]

see this is why we need a game with william

before he died

[high talon]

i mean i personally feel William was kinda..uncaring?

[marsh hemlock]

before anything

[floral mauve]

same

but

thats subjective

[marsh hemlock]

yeah but i feel like when aldous said that their legacy will be of great importance

[high talon]

True

[floral mauve]

we need other games

[marsh hemlock]

he was calming william

[marsh hemlock]

W

[floral mauve]

to show William as a character in game not ourselves

so we can observe him

[high talon]

Mmm maybe...?

[marsh hemlock]

W straynut321

[floral mauve]

?

because when player is playing as someone

that character is usually empty unless he has narrations

[marsh hemlock]

which in this case it doesnt

[floral mauve]

wdym

[marsh hemlock]

i mean william doesnt talk

ofc

[floral mauve]

William didnt talk to anyone except Rose

yea

thats why he is empty

[high talon]

Unlesss

[marsh hemlock]

yeah but thats really not talking

thats communicating

[floral mauve]

we need other games to see William as a character

[marsh hemlock]

W

[floral mauve]

bruh

to observe him

we need William as npc

[high talon]

He literally lost his old self after he died, so he was a hollow/blank slate

forgetting his old self

[marsh hemlock]

cave wouldve been the perfect chance to see the events that shortly predated before Roots

[floral mauve]

tbh he didnt forget

which is curious

I thought CS lost all memories or only have the bad ones

[marsh hemlock]

also ion know why i think the tower in Paradise turns out to be the vanderboom house

[high talon]

huh?

[floral mauve]

?

I am confused

[high talon]

no it doesn't??

It ends up being the hotel..

[marsh hemlock]

Oh

[floral mauve]

that grandfather clock might be

but not the place

[marsh hemlock]

yeah

i realised that rn

[floral mauve]

Mr Owl knows the Vanderboom brothers

[marsh hemlock]

the walls are off a different color

[high talon]

its in a different location

[floral mauve]

so he might pass the clock

[high talon]

or maybe

maybe its just a similiar looking clock

[floral mauve]

well

[high talon]

nobody said there was only one..XD

[floral mauve]

it surely stinks

too many corpses

[marsh hemlock]

but other clocks were constructed throughout diff games

the one in samsara room i think

with the weather change and stuff is way different

[high talon]

that was outta the games reality..?

[floral mauve]

ehem

[floral mauve]

exactly

[high talon]

so i dont think the afterlife is logical..

[marsh hemlock]

it could retain

some things

since william was in the clock\

[floral mauve]

the clocks in seasons and Samsara rooms arent real I think

[marsh hemlock]

just like in Roots

[floral mauve]

the real ones are Paradise, Mill and Roots

[high talon]

surely not the one in Samsara room it doesn't like exist in the real Rusty Lake world

[floral mauve]

However, its curious to see how Dale saw the room in case 23

[viral quest]

Ok

What is the meaning of young Laura in seasons

[ivory girder]

it is possibly hinting at a new game!

[viral quest]

But it havent been there since the beginning?

Omg, all these years and shes wearing the same cloth wtf

[azure bay]

it was implemented in 2020 within CEC update

[viral quest]

I didnt knew, thanks

[floral mauve]

Caught u in 4K RL edition

[viral quest]

What is the usage of code in case 23 chapter 1

This code from arles painting

[green whale]

it can be used in cube escape arles when you go into gogh's ear

[viral quest]

Thanks

[covert wyvern]

ye these sorts of general game questions belong in their respective help channels.

[viral quest]

So should i ask in #cube-escape-series-help ?

[azure bay]

definitely

It depends not only on the intensity of the experience but also on person's mental strength and Bob wasn't the fittest there

[viral quest]

Np, ill go there then

[floral mauve]

last straw huh

[azure bay]

I don't know

nothing seems to have changed since the last time we spoke about it

[floral mauve]

But as I reminded u

we shouldnt stray further from the main argument

the shot in theatre

or reliability of theatre experience

[azure bay]

I tend to think some kind of shot happened

a crazy thought, it could be the reason for corruption in PD

[floral mauve]

PD?

[azure bay]

police dept

[floral mauve]

BRUH

who would have thought that

Its either shot happened or no

[azure bay]

no evidence except for TLS being possibly connected to Theatre and the secret PD scene sharing lines with TLS

[floral mauve]

well by TLS, he already went to the PD

so it shouldnt be connected with theatre

unless if u mean its organised

[azure bay]

not necessarily

[floral mauve]

by Mr Owl

[azure bay]

the tense used in narration is different

[floral mauve]

show me

[azure bay]

"A guy approached me" - past simple
"I remember him" - present simple

[floral mauve]

yea

so

that forms a paradox

we have 2 cases

Its slightly hard to explain with my plain English

but listen to me

first case:
The PD secret scene was remembered by the Bob who dreamed in TWD
second case:
The PD secret scene was remembered by the time Bob was in TLS

I tend to think its first one

[azure bay]

so do I

is there still a paradox?

[floral mauve]

yes

wait

maybe not

I am getting confused by myself

technically

Bob dreamed in twd a dream

ngl TLS DJ looks like the manager

[azure bay]

He likely is

[floral mauve]

DJ Owl

new skin unlocked

[azure bay]

He was stalking Bob before and probably was somewhere around in RL theater

[azure bay]

A flashback taking place in the middle of the earlier flashback

[floral mauve]

bruh

thats a better way of phrasing

[azure bay]

it will come one day

I'm also a bit confused about Bob's clothing

it didn't change before the PD but definitely did after

[floral mauve]

indeed

but he wore a different cloth in theatre

[azure bay]

nope, the same suit

green jacket, blue shirt

[floral mauve]

shirt different

perhaps its a bug

I am not sure

[azure bay]

it's in TLS

[floral mauve]

its a bug

I guess

not an important one anyway

[floral mauve]

yep

same shirt

[azure bay]

I didn't really account for TLS

[floral mauve]

hold up

his shirt becomes orange

after interrogation madness

damn

[azure bay]

that's what I'm talking about

[floral mauve]

that CS is sweet and changes cloth for Bob

[azure bay]

I have no idea how to rationalize it

lore-wise, I mean

[floral mauve]

Unless

The CS did something else after the interrogation

it seems like Bob's CS is still....less aggressive than Laura

[azure bay]

or Owl captured him again but wanted him to come on his own (an illusion of choice)

[floral mauve]

omg thats the exact same theory I intended to translate

but slightly different

Owl rescued Bob and killed the policeman but the result is that Owl got Bob with him

but thats the other story

I treat it as a fan fic and no longer a theory

[azure bay]

I don't doubt Bob killed the officer himself

[floral mauve]

I know

[azure bay]

The biggest Owl could do is further negate collateral damage

[floral mauve]

that guy did the theory stuff before twd

well

Owl is quite experienced

in detaining CS

[latent rover]

Hey guys, regarding Theatre, I was wondering about how Dale could've possibly been there when Bob shot himself if Bob is there after being arrested
But Dale gets transported to the lake and gets into the elevator right after Bob becomes a CS at the police station
Anyone got something substantial on that?

[azure bay]

Theatre takes place in 1971

the most of Case 23 in 1972

(unless it was retconed)

the only real mystery here is Bob

[floral mauve]

Dale met Bob when he just started doing research of RL in theatre

which is the only reason I can think of Dale being there

[azure bay]

The Lady of The Lake could attract them both

[floral mauve]

nostalgic poster from Owl nest is the reason I can think of

he probably doesnt care about the show itself

just his remorse

[latent rover]

But the actual shot happens after the arrest, and by then Dale should've been in the lake itself?

[azure bay]

nope, it was before

[floral mauve]

yea

[latent rover]

Bob shot himself before being arrested?

[floral mauve]

yea

[azure bay]

somehow yes

The White Door was clear about it

[latent rover]

I thought it was the other way around

[floral mauve]

thats the controversial topic we have been discussing for while, what was Bob doing between he got shot and his interrogation

[latent rover]

Hmm, because when Bob goes to the club after shooting himself he meets Dale and remembers him from the station, so I figured from that he first got arrested and then shot himself :o

Hmmm

[floral mauve]

.

[azure bay]

the club isn't real, him remembering Dale seems a flashback within the earlier flashback

[latent rover]

Oh that makes more sense this way, thank you!

Yeah I thought the club couldn't be real

tbh it feels like the entire TWD was in Bob's head but that's a discussion for another time xD

[azure bay]

Can you at least elaborate more?

[latent rover]

The dream definitely feel altered to me, like the entire sequence with how he came to know of TWD was Sarah inserting herself there seemingly knowing everything right from the beginning, and the entire process feels too perfect

It's harder to me to explain why I think the day parts are also just in his head, it's just a feeling I got

[azure bay]

I rather see it being orchestrated by Owl with alterations taking place only in the dream 6 and day 7

[floral mauve]

em..if u say it in that way

CE is just Dale's fever dream

[floral mauve]

agree

[latent rover]

Sorry I'm not an actual theorist, these are just the vibes I'm feeling, I'm not good at explaining this stuff xD

Just my personal opinion

[floral mauve]

dont worry

I dont think day 7 ever happened

the real Day 7 should be Sarah

right???

[azure bay]

not necessarily

they may take place in different timelines

[floral mauve]

I mean what the game shows is that after Dream 6, it connects with day 7

there is no more differentiation at that point

[azure bay]

yeah, but day 7 looks so damn positive and colorful so I doubt it wouldn't take effect on Bob's state

[floral mauve]

therefore, the day 7 should still be dream 6

there is no day 7

[azure bay]

there technically is

he just sleeps it through

[floral mauve]

Bob had a dream inside a dream

[floral mauve]

no shit

[azure bay]

why layers?

[floral mauve]

well he slept in day 7 which is dream 6

and had a dream of Laura

[azure bay]

ah, you are speaking about the last dream

maybe

but still

I expect the dream overall healing Bob

[floral mauve]

from Sarah's point of view Bob is lying still in CS form in day 7

and continue having dream of Laura

[azure bay]

we can argue what was happening there

[floral mauve]

Hopefully

since only by then

Owl can use him

he remembers everything and his memories are useful

[azure bay]

him seemingly letting Sarah act seems sus

[floral mauve]

?

wdym

[azure bay]

Hoorn warned Owl the same day Sarah requested access

days before Sarah's level

[floral mauve]

ah that

perhaps its all planned

we dont know

[azure bay]

Was it Owl to create her timeline branch? 🤔

[floral mauve]

Sarah?

I dont even think the timeline split happened in twd

since its technically still a straight one

[azure bay]

the achievement is called "The Alternative"

[floral mauve]

nvm

bruh

its could mean Sarah as an alternative person

it could also mean give up Laura is an alternative of his life

[azure bay]

it's an alternative either way, not the normal flow

[viral quest]

I wonder, what are these symbols

Oh

Could they show other corrupted souls?

[floral mauve]

idk they look like skull to me

[naive lotus]

Yeah they kinda look x-ray like

[azure bay]

I've got an insight

a new theory

[delicate atlas]

Go on

[azure bay]

considering memories being able to alter the reality, Laura could prevent her death even without the machine and the phone.
Maybe she couldn't prevent her corruption.

The thing is, death and corruption aren't always tied together. Bob and van Gogh both went corrupted without dying.

so she cancels her death

and later cancels her corruption by using the machine

(It's important to note that I have no preferences for this theory. For me, it's just another possibility too unremarkable to become my headcanon)

[floral mauve]

if we go for the suicide theory

Laura's depression gets worse and leads her to commit suicide

if u take any part of this argument

its no longer valid

if u cancel the suicide part

she wont be corrupted

[floral mauve]

plus, how can you alter your own memory without machine

this sounds tautology to me

[azure bay]

You just can to certain extent

[floral mauve]

?

[azure bay]

The candle, the cactus

Harvey

They don't require any machine

[floral mauve]

come on you gotta form something more specific

[floral mauve]

they do

cactus and candle werent there

you cant expect Laura goes day dreaming and decided to convince herself and lost sanity

[azure bay]

I don't get you

[floral mauve]

a memory is a memory

if you can change your own memory its no longer memory

its present

[azure bay]

Still don't get it

[floral mauve]

and I dont know where are we going

[azure bay]

Let's get back

[azure bay]

Why do you think so?

[floral mauve]

because from spring to fall

without going to winter

its what should be like

[azure bay]

The turning point wasn't the machine

It was the blue cube

The machine was for communication and fixing Laura herself

[floral mauve]

this part maybe

[azure bay]

Originally we thought her death requires fixing

Now I reckon it could be corruption

[floral mauve]

thats the question I had for months

Is Laura dead theoretically?

If u turn Laura uncorrupted

would she be alive again

since her CS is carrying the corpse around rather than abandon it

and the magical healing effect of CS form to human form

thats technically possible

[viral quest]

What is this cat in birthday

Some kind of guard?

[floral mauve]

?

its god slayer

[azure bay]

No reason to think it's something beyond a regular cat

[azure bay]

she was out her mind when she used the knife. It could go differently if she was a bit more sane

[viral quest]

Regular cat cant just simply survive bullet hell by jumping on table

[floral mauve]

if she is sane, she wont be corrupted

[azure bay]

1. a bit more doesn't mean completely
2. depression might be still a thing

[azure bay]

cats are generally more agile than humans, a bit more luck and dodging few bullets isn't that hard

[viral quest]

"dodging few bullets" xD

[azure bay]

it was few flying in that general direction

[floral mauve]

I just want to say if she isnt dead, she is not corrupted according to the mill

she has the possibility of becoming corrupted

[azure bay]

that's the idea

[floral mauve]

but that will be in other fan fic or storylines

in the current one

she is first dead

and then corrupted

memory

[azure bay]

if the reality is being altered gradually, this turn of events is rather plausible

[floral mauve]

what do you think here

[azure bay]

at what point?

[floral mauve]

she will revive when she is no longer in CS form

[azure bay]

I don't know

[floral mauve]

if we use Bob's bullet hole case

and same soul case

[azure bay]

we can't really use it because we don't know what happened

[floral mauve]

we might get a Laura with her memory

or

without

[floral mauve]

well for all other theories its the same

we dont know what happened

we just interpret

[azure bay]

this case stands out

it's too weird

[floral mauve]

how

[azure bay]

seemingly contradicts everything we knew before

[floral mauve]

why

[azure bay]

Laura had to change the past

William had to make sacrifices

[floral mauve]

well, you can say its all the little theatre happened in her mind

[azure bay]

Bob: just goes normal

[floral mauve]

William wasnt in his corpse was he

Laura CS walks around and stay attached with the corpse just like Bob and Dale

isnt that a sign of

not dead?

or possibly reverse the death?

[azure bay]

If Laura could just use *f*ck go back* button we wouldn't have Seasons

[floral mauve]

.

[azure bay]

what do you even mean by that?

[floral mauve]

internal thoughts of her CS

just like in twd

[azure bay]

still don't get you

[floral mauve]

Laura's CS is having a twd like experience in seasons

thinking about past memories

[azure bay]

it's different

[floral mauve]

and somehow trying to make a difference

just like Bob in day 7

which he wasnt even awake

[azure bay]

it's different on many levels

TWD is a sequence of dreams about the past

while Bob is still in his world

Seasons is a sequence of cubes

Bday and Theatre are more justified as a reference

day 7 is just another dream

Laura deals with her past all the way through without even coming to present

or dreams based on nothing

[floral mauve]

why cant it be a film like ending, you know Laura becomes uncorrupted, inside her dream she made that machine, when it worked she went back alive

thats a similar ending for SR

[azure bay]

the machine was working before she created it

the communication part is evident

[floral mauve]

I thought its a part of her memory

[azure bay]

a turing machine is unable to simulate such a reality

when the actions that took place in the future influence the past

[floral mauve]

thats a dream

or dream like expereince just like in SR

[azure bay]

SR is a perception of the afterlife, TWD is a sequence of dreams, Seasons consists of memory cubes

Winter is a memory

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

"what do I remember?"

and she remembers the machine

without evident understanding before she reaches it

[floral mauve]

why cant dream be part of the memory

we already know that u can dream a dream

[azure bay]

because she enters the cubes

we don't need to add Bob's dream level

[floral mauve]

and?

if we take Winter as the main dream

all what she did is basically following the rules of her dreaming

that includes thinking about her past

and add some elements of her past

[azure bay]

there is no evidence of that being a dream in the first place

[floral mauve]

she is CS

[azure bay]

and?

[floral mauve]

she can make dreams

[azure bay]

where does that come from?

[floral mauve]

Bob

[azure bay]

what "Bob"?

[floral mauve]

Bob in dream 6

or dream 7

he was in CS form

but still able to form dreams

about the past

[azure bay]

ok, Roots is a dream, Paradise is Caroline's dream, Birthday is Rabbit's dream

[floral mauve]

and constructing about the present

[azure bay]

what I'm saying

being able to dream about the past doesn't mean doing it

Bob had a good reason to dream about the past

[floral mauve]

why not Laura

[azure bay]

He was in a specialized institution that seemed to insert or at least recreate neural links to lost memories

[floral mauve]

if she wants to live again she has to be mentally stable so she can turn uncorrupted

its all a self calm mechanism

[azure bay]

she's changing the past

in her understanding

she's not creating a matrix dream to persuade herself

she enters cubes

like Dale

and again

there is no evidence of that being a dream

not a single word

not a single visual

only a precedent of questionable appliance that was introduced 5 years after

Day 7 doesn't even look like Winter 1981

[floral mauve]

in her understanding

she thought she changed everything but its all to calm herself down so she becomes uncorrupted

and therefore

live

again

[azure bay]

that's the problem

you can't follow the illusion if you are the one who created it

[floral mauve]

?

its her subconsciousness

or self protect mechanism

to wake herself up

[azure bay]

wha?

[floral mauve]

if u try to choke urself, ur body will protect you by make you pass out and you will breath automatically

its a similar thing

her subconsciousness wants her to live again

so she will calm down

by completing those little machine puzzles

and feel relieved

[azure bay]

complicated

no evidence

why to build such constructs when she can just enter a cube?

[floral mauve]

wdym enter a cube

if its not even real

[azure bay]

in what sense real?

[floral mauve]

in her mind

its memory

[azure bay]

it's not

[floral mauve]

should happen in her mind

[azure bay]

Dale enters real cubes

[floral mauve]

that makes it even more like a dream

[floral mauve]

u mean elevator journey?

[azure bay]

Nicolas, Harvey and others watch them

[floral mauve]

what

[azure bay]

the cubes are real

[floral mauve]

yea

they are

[azure bay]

and you can watch their content and even enter them

[floral mauve]

enter them is debatable

maybe in tpw

its possible

[azure bay]

whatever we saw happening in the elevator was happening in the reality

[floral mauve]

?

[azure bay]

the elevator is real

the cubes are real

[floral mauve]

in reality Dale entered the elevator with his golden cube

as the elevator ascends

his mind went through his past memories and had his lectures

but for his physical body

[azure bay]

it's not his mind

[floral mauve]

its probably only 3 mins elevator ride

[azure bay]

the cubes are floating around him

[floral mauve]

yes

in his mind

[azure bay]

dude

the cubes are there

you see them no matter perspective

[floral mauve]

?

there is no perspective in this case

only Dale's

[azure bay]

Crow sees cubes, Jacob sees cubes, Harvey sees cubes

[floral mauve]

inside elevator

I never say they cant watch the cube

[azure bay]

the cubes floating around the lake

[floral mauve]

but Dale in elevator ride physically is just elevator

[azure bay]

there are cubes, everyone see cubes floating around the lake

around the elevator

and in Owl's future cube Dale's awake

[floral mauve]

I see

but its his own memories

Can Owl just construct another altered memory cube

[azure bay]

It was the lake

[floral mauve]

?

so Owl can tell lake what to do?

[azure bay]

"I see my memories captured in little cubes"

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

I think it's the lake's property to temporarily extract one's memories

Like with the guests

[floral mauve]

temporarily?

if the lake can do that, why cant it just swallow it since it needs fresh ones

[azure bay]

we never saw it swallowing memories

Laura's were perfectly preserved

[floral mauve]

I know

I mean

keep it

[azure bay]

they technically were their cubes, on The Cave mural they are separated

[azure bay]

no evidence, just predictions that Dale will leave the lake with all his memories back

but actually

you made me think

[floral mauve]

whats the point of the lake demanding memories if the point isnt for the lake to keep it

[azure bay]

just the plot reasons

[floral mauve]

bruh

then thats a quite unsatisfying way of shaping a figure

its like

bro give me some memories, then u give it to him, next secs its like, fine u can have it back

[azure bay]

I can assume that the lake doesn't break the link

you can affect the guests through their memories

Eilanders and their successors knew how to break it

[azure bay]

perhaps you can watch the cubes but not enter them if you are not in the lake

Bday, Theatre, Paradox

to actually relive them

[analog yacht]

Maybe the lake is just a bratty tsundere. Taking your stuff and then acting like they never wanted it in the first place /j

[azure bay]

for some reason I don't find it funny

[analog yacht]

Awww. Well, I tried

[floral mauve]

what link

[azure bay]

look plz at the scuba Owl mural

[floral mauve]

oh

em

sometimes

I dont know its for game purpose

or actual effect

[azure bay]

the thing is

[floral mauve]

and

Owl turned the black cube white

when he blocks it

[azure bay]

the guests seemed their cubes. Now they are separated but still linked

[floral mauve]

you can read it in other ways too

the cube is the core of the guests

[azure bay]

either way they were separated

but still kinda connected

and no one seem to have extracted them

[floral mauve]

look dis

[azure bay]

just wanted to address

I don't think he was making them white

a lighter grey and probably it's just an UI

[floral mauve]

ehemm

[azure bay]

an indication to ensure you made the change

[floral mauve]

I mean

if they make it kinda white

its quite sus

[azure bay]

Dale turned his cube white. It didn't go back. Why do these have to?

[floral mauve]

I never said go back

I am interested in the ability of Owl making cubes white

however

if the minigames arent real

whatever

[azure bay]

the thing is, they do go back

as soon as he leaves

[floral mauve]

I thought u meant

go back as if go uncorrupted

[azure bay]

no

the cubes get black again

yep

I just checked

they don't become white

just slightly lighter

a white cube on another mural as a reference for you

[floral mauve]

yea

perhaps

[azure bay]

back to the topic

[floral mauve]

ah crap

no

I cant

I spent 2 hours on RL

I have my final tmr

sorry

gotta study

[azure bay]

good luck them

[covert wyvern]

@viral quest consider this your final warning before receiving a mute.

these general gameplay questions do not belong in #🤔｜theories .

[viral quest]

Sorry, i thought it is #cube-escape-series-help 🤦

[viral quest]

I think that i understood what is lake

And its purpose

Crow and his companions gather dead bodies with souls inside

They help them to get rid of memories in the mill

To make them to get easier reborn

Reincarnation

These souls whose refused leaving their memories and past lives, became cs

[floral mauve]

thats a thing u point out

I dont think any other corpses have souls attached to it

only Laura

an anomaly

[azure bay]

ahem

[viral quest]

Souls = memories

[floral mauve]

others are triggered by memories

[floral mauve]

?

interesting

black cube maybe

CS

but other ones?

[floral mauve]

yes

I forgot that

[viral quest]

Every entity does have memories, good and evil, only by leaving memories you can get proper reincarnation

[azure bay]

"Dear Mr. Crow,

Remember, the lake does not only need the right water level, but also fresh memories (...)"

[viral quest]

Soul needs to be cleaned of weight of memories

[floral mauve]

so you mean every person has to get their memories extracted in order to enter samsara?

[azure bay]

(they are always within samsara. dead or alive)

[floral mauve]

yea

but re enter

thats what he meant

a dead person with memories

[delicate atlas]

I hope we get to know who is this poor soul who died by drowning in this lake or got their body thrown there after dying/getting murdered

[viral quest]

This is what happens after death, because memories of previous life would make much harder start for you, tabula raza

[azure bay]

he means rebirth

[floral mauve]

is not in any form but soul

[viral quest]

You start in new body, new karma based on previous life

[floral mauve]

he meant rebirth only if memories are extracted

[azure bay]

reentering samsara is a wrong term

you can enter samsara only if you left it

[floral mauve]

picky

[viral quest]

There are cases of ppl who remember their past life, but eventually they move on and forget about them

[floral mauve]

I dont think so because that will be super harsh

all souls will be trapped in the corpse if no one extracts the memories

[viral quest]

Dog will take care of everything xD

[floral mauve]

BRUH

[azure bay]

Ice

I see several problems in your reasoning

1. It's possible to have memories after rebirth. Albeit legit or technical (becoming asura was originally considered rebirth).
   We have Laura with William's memories somewhere deep inside her, we have Mr. Rabbit who suddenly recalled being David Eilander in one of the past lives, we have Crow and Owl.

2. Karma isn't evident in this lore

3. Owl clearly communicates their reasons to extract memories

It's the lake who needs them

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

@viral quest are you with us?

[viral quest]

Yes

Maybe not everything is extracted

Only the strongest memories

[floral mauve]

what

[azure bay]

wait

[floral mauve]

I am confused

[azure bay]

Ice, are u able to rebuild the whole picture up and down, considering my input?

[azure bay]

who? does what? why?

[viral quest]

If you say that Laura does have Williams memories deep inside, then maybe they extract only memories that actually were the strongest, and affected growth of soul

[azure bay]

for what reason do they do that?

(and BTW they did extract William's memories with all the others)

[viral quest]

Wdym

[azure bay]

Does Owl still extract memories to facilitate someone's rebirth?

[viral quest]

Why not, maybe he wants to bring his mother back? We dont have full view

[azure bay]

At least because there's another reason he crearly states

[viral quest]

Because lake needs it?

[azure bay]

yep

[viral quest]

As i said, when Laura memories were extracted, only the strongest ones were important, to make proper offer for the lake

[floral mauve]

wdym strong

[viral quest]

But she didnt want to leave them and her life back, so she became cs

[floral mauve]

how do you define strong

and what makes you think lake has the same idea of strong as humans

[viral quest]

Things important to her, affecting her

[floral mauve]

I personally dont like the idea that memory has a tier list

[viral quest]

I didnt, but you wouldnt want to get the best meal?

[floral mauve]

for me, every part of my memories I embrace

[azure bay]

I have 2 questions

1. What are you justifying by this assumption?
2. What is your evidence?

[floral mauve]

BRUH

and we have no evidence of lake consume memories

it seems like Aldous still able to get the memories back from the lake as if its an object in water

[viral quest]

That was metaphor lol

[floral mauve]

I know

[azure bay]

Stray, may I continue interrogating our colleague so we find the root of disagreement?

[floral mauve]

sure

[azure bay]

thanks

[azure bay]

@viral quest

in other words

Why distinguishing memories is necessary for the story? And how can I come to the same conclusion?

[viral quest]

Look at images when Laura memories were extracted, there were things that she feared the most, and were the most important to her like casette with her fav song

[azure bay]

ok, let's assume for a moment that the machine extracts all the memories. How would you depict it?

[viral quest]

I say only the strongest memories, i rethinked it since the beginning of this talk

[azure bay]

I know what you say

I'm asking how would it be different otherwise?

[viral quest]

To keep soul identity after all?

[azure bay]

Let me reiterate

You say that a collection of images seen on the extractor screen indicates that it extracts only the most important memories

What would show that screen if the memories were extracted entirely?

@viral quest are you with me?

[floral mauve]

you scare ppl away

[viral quest]

Nothing

[azure bay]

The screen would show nothing?

[viral quest]

Yes, tabula raza

Im going to sleep, goodnight

[azure bay]

I have a thing to answer and hope we'll continue when you are awake

[floral mauve]

I have a thing to answer as well

is memory = past

change the memory = change the past?

[azure bay]

The screen showing nothing would be harmful for the narration and gameplay.

1. We'd lose a puzzle
2. We'd lose explanation that cubes are memories

However, I admit, getting into the dev's head is ungrateful. My point was making sure that you have the alternative in mind.
Beliefs that can't be disproved no matter what aren't worth anything. If something makes you think in a certain way there must be something that could convince you otherwise.

I personally can't imagine how to portray all the memories there and then, so It's possible for me that all the memories got into that cube after all.

But that's personally. That's subjective. But there's also an objective thing disproving your point. William's memories were also extracted. They are inside Laura's cubes Crow dropped into the lake. It's seen in The Cave.

[viral quest]

I have to refresh The Cave

Someone pointed 2 shadows here

Have you noticed?

[covert wyvern]

mhm lauras shadow

but is that intentional or just a flaw in game design

[azure bay]

I tend to think the latter

[covert wyvern]

im inclined to agree

but if its not its a very neat detail

[azure bay]

(that could be unintentionally genius)

[covert wyvern]

haha right.

[viral quest]

Hmm

[azure bay]

What's your message?

[viral quest]

Its the same shadow, but only Laura was redrawed?

[azure bay]

what do you mean by redrawn?

[floral mauve]

I blame the early immature texture

[viral quest]

Hes same as here

Or maybe not

[floral mauve]

Are u suggesting another CS killed her while her CS is still in her?

[viral quest]

Yes

[floral mauve]

the case is different if u played the cave

[viral quest]

If it is intended, i believe there is second shadow

I played cave, but submachine part is too hard for me

[azure bay]

That's probably the case but for likely different reasons and in very different way

[viral quest]

Also, who wouldve commit suicide by slicing throat

Jesus

[azure bay]

you have to be either mad or possessed

but that was the case

it was seen during that submarine part

[viral quest]

I will try to do cave then

And i will come back here lol

[minor saddle]

İg the player a on tpw is albert player b is rose

[covert wyvern]

I actually don't agree

[minor saddle]

Hmm

[covert wyvern]

I think considering RLs earlier post

(the anniversary drawing)

we see adult Rose w/ the cube machine

[minor saddle]

İsnt it a computer ? Lol

[azure bay]

I wouldn't be so sure yet. It doesn't look that much like it. Besides it's likely not a cube machine but TWD computer

[minor saddle]

İ thougt its a computer

[covert wyvern]

we'll see wont we! ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[minor saddle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[azure bay]

another thing is, Rose would be much much older by the time such computers were invented

[covert wyvern]

good point.

[floral mauve]

Yea

she would be like 60

something

[viral quest]

Where

[floral mauve]

if tpw takes place even later

she would be 70+

or even dead

I still believe in my assumptions of the cave box

[azure bay]

what was it again?

[floral mauve]

the items in the box belong to Rose and technically she would handle them with care

why would the box appear in the lake

[azure bay]

1. it's not obligated to belong to Rose

2. we know almost nothing about the content

3. Rose's death is an independent assumption

[floral mauve]

we do recognise photo of Laura and golden time piece

it just natural suggestion

[azure bay]

just as natural as Laura

[floral mauve]

this box belongs to Rose who misses her daughter

an old lady would take care of the old items

also

a broken golden time piece

foreshadows something

dont u think

[azure bay]

if not for some drama

[azure bay]

sure it does. Won't go further for now

[azure bay]

I took a closer look. It looks like that computer indeed

I'm still convinced that we play as a CS

Albert is the most likely CS candidate

but could it be Rose?

[covert wyvern]

Mhm I dont see a reason for Rose to go corrupted but then on the other hand she's seen (and done) some pretty messed up stuff

would b interesting if TPW opens w/ Rose dying orsomething

[azure bay]

I'd expect that from the young Laura game

[covert wyvern]

O ye that would make sense.

I think Laura mentioning she has her mothers notebook in twd? if you 100% it anyway

[azure bay]

no, it's there no matter the achievements

[covert wyvern]

ah okay

thanks!

[thorn lichen]

When Robert Hill wake up on the street in TWD, he can't remember anything. So that means that all of his memories were taken away.(white cubes in the The Theater and black cubes in Dale's trial room)
So how did the white door extract the memories from Robert?

Does that mean you can extract memories from a person infinitely?

[wheat temple]

Doesn’t extracting bad memories have a chance of corrupting the person? If they get corrupted can you still continue to extract?

[thorn lichen]

CSs also have memories, so I think that they still can (maybe)

although I don't remember ever seeing a CS's memory been extracted in the game

[floral mauve]

not necessarily

[thorn lichen]

But can you choose the memory to extract? What would happen if you only extract white cubes and drop into the lake? Would the lake become unbalanced?

[floral mauve]

I believe black cube is more common than white cube

lake only wants fresh memories

doesnt have preference

[azure bay]

I think that wouldn't be that efficient

imagine that

before amnesia Bob had around 40 years of memories

and maybe even more, if past life memories are more intact than not

and after in the beginning of TWD he had just few days to recall

[vale marsh]

Isn't the color of the cube indicative of a good or bad memory?

[floral mauve]

I guess so

however

we know little about blue cube and golden cube

[azure bay]

Golden cube is a form of elixir

blue cubes control the time flow in some way

[floral mauve]

yes

[viral quest]

Blue cube lets you to fix the past

Golden cube is key for all times, including future

I think that golden cubes lets you see the future

And prevent certain actions from happening

[manic brook]

ooh i like that. makes sense for why owl would do such drastic stuff to get ahold of it bc thats great power

and nto to psychoanalyze but having your mom killed and getting sacrificed by your family might make someone a little power hungry/ focused on crisis control later on

[delicate atlas]

That actually makes sense

And he takes revenge later and kills them

[manic brook]

And that’s hotel

Which, omg thank you, I’ve been trying to tell a friend that for weeks and they’re like nahh I think hotel is symbolic (I like to take it literally)

And in that vein I think about what causes people to transform into the animal headed
Like for Aldous we see it as a result of William vanderbooms immortality serum

[azure bay]

dude

it was a white cube that has shown Owl the future

long before golden cube creation

[viral quest]

I am quoting the mr owl lol

[azure bay]

yeah, I know

the problem is, this quote was literal only once

in Hotel

ever since it was more allegorical

[viral quest]

No it wasnt only in the hotel

[azure bay]

you misread me

[viral quest]

Because ive heard it in the theatre perhaps

I see

[azure bay]

It was used in Paradise and The Cave

yet there the meaning wasn't that surface leveled