🤔｜theories

[covert wyvern]

yes

that's why its called a world war

[analog yacht]

So that might explain the mismatch

[covert wyvern]

but only later after a ship got sunk

the Americans were 'late to the party'

[azure bay]

unintentional friendly fire is possible yet less probable. Just like accidentally finding an enemy gas mask

[analog yacht]

That's also true

[floral mauve]

ah yes

in 1918

US joined the european party

or arrived

lets say

however

that amerian grenade could belong to any side

since they sold many weapons

during the earlier stage of war

[covert wyvern]

the germans used stick nades, im pretty sure

[azure bay]

you'd better research the topic before stating such things. I tried and didn't find anything yet

[covert wyvern]

either way I don't really see the type of 'nade used as terribly important lmao

I absolutely dislike the war chapter

[sage token]

Maybe he happened to find an enemy gas mask and since it was all he had, he used it
And maybe the German soldier that threw the grenade had raided an American convoy or something and an explosive is an explosive
Or he defected to the German side and an American, his former ally, is the one that threw the grenade

[covert wyvern]

I sorta hope Rl stays out of massive world events in the future

ye literally any of these things could be true^

[floral mauve]

wdym

[covert wyvern]

trench warfare is brutal

[floral mauve]

which part

US did sell loads of weapons in the Great War

[azure bay]

there is a leap between US sold weapons and Germany used MKII gas grenades

[floral mauve]

fair enough

I am not a weapon fan

probably should stay away from the topic

I only know some history

[covert wyvern]

doesnt seem like a terrible idea

[azure bay]

by researching it we can do more good to the community than just ignoring it

[analog yacht]

Eh, it's small details anyway. They didn't have a huge effect on anything. Different versions of masks it grenades could've been used and still accomplish the same scene

[covert wyvern]

ye this^

[azure bay]

it's useful in the long run

in that way we get the idea on how careful they are with details

[floral mauve]

I think rather than focusing on this part, we should think more about how Mr Crow and William change the past (???)

of saving Leonard

[half elm]

• Plausible the grenade was mistakenly thrown or just, he defected to the enemy's side
• It was William + Mr. Crow that gave him the gasmask, right? It makes sense that he found a german gasmask if he was on the enemy's side

[floral mauve]

bruh, Leonard was chilling on the enemy side

[covert wyvern]

Leonard comes back with multiple medals

I doubt you pick those up by defecting

[half elm]

ohhh right i forgot about that

[covert wyvern]

that outfit might actually be a good one to identify

see if any of the ceremonial unis from back then line up with his.

[sage token]

Additional theory regarding Prozac: Rusty Lake takes place in an alternate reality where Prozac was invented at an earlier time

[azure bay]

good point

[covert wyvern]

not unlikely, lmao.

but also we cant deny the tangible connection RL has to our world

considering the ARG exists

[floral mauve]

then why would they even include the first world war

they could just not mention it

[covert wyvern]

if you adhere to multiverse theory, and there are an infinite amount of universes

[sage token]

Maybe that reality also had wars, never said it wouldn't

[azure bay]

topics are too disconnected to be compared

[covert wyvern]

there is a universe that plays out exactly like ours, except prozac was invented earlier.

[floral mauve]

how so, both topics are related to our real world

[covert wyvern]

(and maybe also it has alchemy??)

[half elm]

If you go by the butterfly effect theory, even the smallest changes can have drastic consequences so yeah

in the rusty lake world there is human animal hybrids

that's a pretty big difference than our world

[azure bay]

they have different scales. the war was the result of long history and prozac seems to be someone's more or less personal success

[floral mauve]

bruh, you are saying it in a different angles as well, plus, you cant measure the importance of every event

[half elm]

prozac and antidepressants are a rather big thing

[floral mauve]

exactly

you cant compare them

[half elm]

and rusty lake specializes in mental health sooo

[floral mauve]

everything is important

war, ppl, medicine

[covert wyvern]

I think the mental health thing is definitely a second, lmao.

[floral mauve]

you cant make one superior than another

[covert wyvern]

especially in the earlier stages of the franchise

[half elm]

true true

and rusty lake seems to have
different approaches when it comes ro mental health care

[azure bay]

history and scientific research are different in scale

[azure bay]

funny enough

[floral mauve]

you still cant and shouldnt compare them

[azure bay]

it's you who tires to compare them

[floral mauve]

I am not compring those two

I was saying

how those two can link towards RL and reality

[azure bay]

the war was a result of many historical processes people usually struggle to control

let me finish

while inventions are more based on chance

right people get insights at the right time

you can remove some events from history yet the war is still likely to happen

you remove one insight and invention gets delayed

[floral mauve]

you never know that

and we are away from RL

as mortal beings, we wont have the imagination to think of how world would be like if one thing is changed

therefore, if WWI happened in RL

its basically implying that RL universe has mostly 99% overlap of our unvierse

[covert wyvern]

I agree with the last statement here

especially considering a recent quote from a dutch article RL was featured in

[azure bay]

there were many independent causes that resulted in WW1

[covert wyvern]

"Rusty Lake is a magical world which has overlap with our own but manages to stay surreal", Ras says.

the quote in question, i'd provide a source, but, yknow, its in dutch

ull just have to trust me on that one

[azure bay]

Prozac causes can't be as global by definition

[floral mauve]

bruh

why are we even discussing this

[azure bay]

because we disagree

[floral mauve]

this is full of hindsight

which is dumb and wrong

[floral mauve]

which part do we dissagree

[azure bay]

that there is no sense in comparing scale of events

the scale is evident

the causes of different scales are affected by chance differently

[floral mauve]

bruh

[azure bay]

you need to change approximately 1 thing to make prozac happen 10 years earlier

[floral mauve]

thats not even important

[floral mauve]

we dont know

never make assumptions of hindsight

we dont know how this shit works

[covert wyvern]

Alright

[azure bay]

we can approximately evaluate this

[covert wyvern]

I think it's time for a break

im seeing an increase in swearing,

but good talk everyone!

time to let those thoughts simmer

[azure bay]

my final word: otherwise there wouldn't be rationality. I suggest you reading Eliazer Yudkowsky

[covert wyvern]

thank you for the recommendation!

[floral mauve]

what do we know about Harvey's egg

its bad

[azure bay]

it's black

[analog yacht]

It has a distinct lack of parrot

[floral mauve]

worms

[azure bay]

pretty normal when unfertilized

[floral mauve]

somehow related to elixir and CS

[analog yacht]

Yes but it has pretty abnormal things instead XD

[azure bay]

I doubt that. A crow egg is used during the alchemy level

[floral mauve]

oh

didnt realise that

whats the difference

I might be super dumb and failed to recognise the difference

that egg looks like Harvey's egg

[analog yacht]

I'm not quite sure myself. I'll have to check again

[azure bay]

yet a crow hatches from it

it's unrelated to Harvey

[floral mauve]

indeed

thats true

[analog yacht]

Then again... Things that aren't parrots also hatch from Harvey's egg.

[floral mauve]

but we never take the alchemy lvl seriously

at least that part

[analog yacht]

It's kinda hard to apply irl logic to the levels sometimes XD

It's very... Backwards logic

[floral mauve]

so one unkown egg plus glass bottle

gives u elixir

[azure bay]

yeah that's absurd

[floral mauve]

it provides a crow doesnt necessarily mean its a crow egg tbh since its RL

[azure bay]

unlike crow hatching

[analog yacht]

Eggnog of immortality

[floral mauve]

logics are slightly fucked up here

in that part

[azure bay]

we had a precedent during The House level

[analog yacht]

Just a wee bit

[floral mauve]

oh

what precedent

[azure bay]

a crow hatching from a black egg

[floral mauve]

Oh

I think I remember

yes

indeed

a crow

so Harvey's egg is probably related to CS or corruption

but also

Laura saiid

I dont remember the specific lines

but its about we are back at Harvey's egg

in the future

[azure bay]

it's all started with Harvey's egg

[floral mauve]

yes

[covert wyvern]

what came first, the lake or the parrot

[analog yacht]

Perhaps Harvey is just another eldritch being that just happens to pretend to be a parrot XD
You've heard the sounds he makes in seasons

[azure bay]

she presumably ate it and her mental state went completely loose

[azure bay]

some speculate it's Bob yawning

[analog yacht]

The... The freaky growl? XD

[floral mauve]

we are back at where is all began

harvey's egg

[analog yacht]

Oh, actually. Do we know who actually murdered Laura? I suddenly am not so sure

[floral mauve]

also

Laura had a weird fetish

she wanted to eat harvey's egg

[azure bay]

Either Laura or Dale

[floral mauve]

I personally wont eat my pet bird's egg

[azure bay]

as a poor student I'd tell that's pretty normal

[analog yacht]

Eh-?

[floral mauve]

I dunno about her

[floral mauve]

she is not having Harvey as a hen is she

[covert wyvern]

uh i mean if I had chickens id eat their eggs

[floral mauve]

yea

exactly

but its a parrot

[covert wyvern]

I wouldnt eat parrot eggs but lmao

[analog yacht]

Especially not that parrot's egg

[sage token]

I'm leaning towards Laura (because Dale is my boi)

[analog yacht]

Wasn't she stabbed in the back?

Oh, you mean her CS?

[azure bay]

sounds like a damn biased opinion

[sage token]

Throat

[analog yacht]

OH RIGHT

[floral mauve]

thats why its hard to explain

does her cs consider to be herself

[analog yacht]

Y e a h XD

[floral mauve]

if so, its suicidal

if not, its murder

[analog yacht]

Well, when we play as a CS, we seen to acknowledge that we are who we used to be

[sage token]

And proudly so but additionally, Dale is only seen doing it in Paradox, correct me if I'm wrong, which took place in his head

[floral mauve]

I dunno, the case varies

[analog yacht]

And Laura was technically already long dead there. But also... Not. Idk

[azure bay]

considering some other evidence, this could be translated over reality

[analog yacht]

I'll have to replay the games more carefully

[sage token]

True

[azure bay]

my headcanon is the next:

Dale and Laura are bound by the elixir

one of them dies, another gets enlightenment

and it's Dale to chose

but how is Laura meant to be enlightened while being a CS?

already dead

[floral mauve]

indeed

I dont think the goal here is to enlighten Laura

its more about revive her

let her escape from the current state

[azure bay]

I like to think by retroactively switching places with Dale

and here also comes my "Global Paradox" theory

Corrupted Dale from another reality makes Laura kill herself so the actual Dale starts his investigation

[floral mauve]

sounds like movie plot

[sage token]

My headcanon atm is that the whole Paradox thing was a test conceived by Mr Owl (or possibly The Lake itself, though I'm leaning towards Owl) to see if Dale was a worthy successor/actually the Chosen One as Owl suspects. Dale doesn't actually have to sacrifice himself for Laura, but because he's willing to it shows that he's worthy. Again, headcanon.

[floral mauve]

I see otherwise

I agree with you in the first half

but sacrifice is sacrifice

ruthless is key

to rule the lake

[floral mauve]

or lets say, super rational

[azure bay]

Machiavellian

however

[floral mauve]

remember the deer in twd?

He has become giga chad

jk

[azure bay]

I doubt Owl would prefer Laura over Dale even if he chose to sacrifice himself. He seems more capable in many aspects

[floral mauve]

well, I think the case is quite similar in both characters

some mental issues

or psychological issues

[azure bay]

I'm speaking not of mental issues but resourcefulness over all. Dale had his time to shine, Laura had not

[floral mauve]

wdym by time to shine

[azure bay]

he already solved many mysteries

[floral mauve]

is that so

[azure bay]

and did more after Paradox

[sage token]

So Jakob was sacrificed. That's how he became Mr Owl and keeper of The Lake or whatever he is.
But if Dale sacrifices himself for Laura, would he become an animalhead chap (the term escapes me), and also take over Owl's position at The Lake (because sacrifice seems to lead to that idk??)?
Or would he just be dead, leaving Laura as Owl's successor?

[floral mauve]

perhaps he solved some mysteries

like murder cases

but thats his job

[azure bay]

Owl's ascension has nothing to do with Jacob being sacrificed. It was a completely separate ritual

[sage token]

I did not know that

[floral mauve]

something is wrong

[floral mauve]

yep

this

he was sacrificed to enlighten rest of the family

[azure bay]

I can explain my reasoning and you can choose whether you agree or not

[sage token]

I thought the whole point of killing Jakob was to make him a bird-man. I mustve missed something

[floral mauve]

he survived because Caroline decided to sacrifice herself

[sage token]

Oki

[floral mauve]

oh

bruh

interesting thought

ngl

its not murder if he enjoys it uwu

[azure bay]

Eilanders wanted to be enlightened themselves

and they asked the lake for it

"Please, take our sacrifice and enlighten us"

Usually, we don't expect a sacrifice to win in any way

it's counterintuitive

however there was a different ritual

Caroline invented the elixir and saved it exclusively for Jacob

[sage token]

When did this different ritual take place because I feel like I missed it entirely somehow?

[floral mauve]

it happens right after he got burned

when he falls into the lake

[azure bay]

Caroline caught Jacobs soul right after

[sage token]

I see

[azure bay]

it's not the lake, it's a purgatory

or smth similar

[floral mauve]

oh

bruh

I meant his body

but sure

I dont know much about symbols

[azure bay]

his body is expected to be scorched

[floral mauve]

yea

[azure bay]

but we saw him intact, so I assume it was his soul

[floral mauve]

still fall into the lake though

[azure bay]

why? he wasn't on a ledge or smth

[floral mauve]

Perhaps

not important

his corpse

or body

[azure bay]

@sage token a crucial part

[sage token]

Mhm?

[azure bay]

Eilanders couldn't be a part of Caroline's elixir ritual since the consistent rule of 2 was stated in her book

"one dies to enlighten the other"

in that case Caroline sacrificed herself to enlighten Jacob

but Jacob's sacrifice to enlighten 5 of his family members has nothing to do with the elixir

[sage token]

That makes me suppose that the elixir is a way around the lake somehow? Maybe it's not an easy feat to successfully communicate with the lake and make a deal like the Eilanders did.

[floral mauve]

I also realised something

which is pretty dumb

imagine William drunk the Elixir and survived

will Aldous drunk Elixir?

[azure bay]

no idea

[floral mauve]

if the first person managed to be alive

how will the second person behave

[half elm]

jumping in here

[floral mauve]

if the second person doesnt drink it

[half elm]

but james was the second to drink after he gave it to the dog

[sage token]

Another question. Has Laura drinken the elixir?

[floral mauve]

the enlightenment is a fail

[floral mauve]

exactly

what if its a human?

what if both ppl know how Elixir works

[sage token]

Can she even drink the elixir? She's pretty much dead. Do CSs have mouths? 🤔

[half elm]

pretty sure there was a picture on the wall saying that one gets enlightened and the other dies

and james drank it

[floral mauve]

thats why my statement is valid

if the second person doesnt drink it

no elightenment

and no death

[half elm]

i assume so too

[floral mauve]

wait I think I got it

[half elm]

wonder why james drank it then 😭

[sage token]

I think James wasnt 100% sure about how the rule of two worked and he was testing it on the dog to see if it was poisoned

[floral mauve]

but no

[floral mauve]

exactly

[half elm]

i thought so too? but then i remember the rule being hanged on the wall

[floral mauve]

I thought maybe two ppl have to drink the elixir at the same time, then, the effect will start

but in the brothers case, it wasnt like this

so it is still a mystery how the mechanics work

[floral mauve]

I made an assumption and I believe its pretty much how it works

Elixir has two effects:

1. Bring human stage into asura
2. Prolonged life, depends on the subject

so if Laura as CS drunk it

probably wont do anything except.....

live longer?

I dunno about the life span of CS

[half elm]

yep, james should've been aware

or wait

it's not that clear? so it's possible he didn't know

50/50 chance? is that what he thought?

[floral mauve]

its not clear

it doesnt say its 2 correlated or connected

[half elm]

yep

[azure bay]

another thing

with branching timelines nothing stays uncertain

[floral mauve]

wha

it will probably differ from one point

then completely change the branch

[hollow igloo]

The paper says “it will bring eternal life OR sudden death”. Not that the same elixir would do both to two different people. It is easy to interpret it in the way that, if it works, it works for everyone. Since the dog didn’t die, James thought the elixir was safe to drink

[half elm]

truetrue

[azure bay]

I think I know what would happen if James didn't drink it

if he knew the drill

Dog would stay a normal dog

[floral mauve]

exactly

thats what I said

but the thing is

what if its in Brother's case

if William stays fine

will Aldous know that he is gonna die and still drink it

[azure bay]

Aldous would still probably take it after they prepared the Roots ritual

[floral mauve]

or for any other ppl who acknowledge what will happen

[floral mauve]

alpha male move

chad Crow

[azure bay]

well, they may decline and no magic would happen

[floral mauve]

that seems to be the most logical response

technically

we can bend the rules a little

if it applies on animals and even CS

why cant the brother just shovel elixir to all lab rats or something similar

until the first lab rat die so they can drink it next

just repeat the process for some time

[azure bay]

it seems to me that sacrificing animals wouldn't be that effective

[floral mauve]

ah shit, CS hunting time

or

in an immoral and fucked up way

use humans

this is dumb

[shy pecan]

Aldus offers comfort to William and says we will always be there for our past and future lives. I wish I knew what he meant by "we" and "our" past and future lives.

It makes me wonder if William's death experience is typical for this world. Like is his afterlife normal?

[ebon aspen]

Apparently the samsara applies to everyone in the rl universe

[shy pecan]

Okay, but does that mean William moved onto the next part of the wheel?

You think he'd be a fish

Wait, maybe owl comes before fish

[ebon aspen]

I think the fish stage is under the hybrid one that mr owl is in, if it meant enlightenment he wouldnt be on his quest to make dale the enlightened ruler of the lake, since he stated his next form will be the fish
And since samsara its a "wheel", you can get karma'ed and go to a lesser stage after being in a major one

[shy pecan]

I guess, it's never established it only goes in one direction.

So there's a stage after being a corrupted soul? Do they die?

[azure bay]

We had an entire play

A fish and a parrot

consecrated to the animal realm

[azure bay]

the thing is, the wheel has no directions

in the mythology, the form you are reborn in is defined by your karma

you can be a human 10 times in a row if you consistently act in a certain way

[shy pecan]

Thing is William's soul didn't get reborn right away. Is everyone waiting for their reincarnation to be born or is he a special case?

[azure bay]

Corrupted soul form is also considered by the wheel

[covert wyvern]

So William was reborn, just as a corrupted soul?

is that what you're saying

[azure bay]

yes and no

[covert wyvern]

I mean it would make sense, bc of the mirror images we see in roots?

but I also struggle to believe it 100%

[azure bay]

pretas were probably introduced to explain people's ghost beliefs

[shy pecan]

Is it like because of his karma he'll be a corrupted soul?

[covert wyvern]

mhm fair.

[azure bay]

that's certainly a unique state of existence despite not being rebirth by definition

people with certain karma are banned from rebirth until they suffer enough to redeem themselves

but

[azure bay]

I don't see karma in Rusty Lake

at least by the original definition

[covert wyvern]

Karma feels hard to uh visualise anyway? but good point

[azure bay]

I struggle to see how painful memory extraction would affect karma

[shy pecan]

Actually I think the whole balancing the substances of past lives is pretty good for karma

Like a reference to weighing your heart against a feather and all

[azure bay]

however karma doesn't seem to fit other RL aspects

[shy pecan]

You mean there are parts where karma should be in play but for some reason it isn't?

[azure bay]

I mean you can explain certain thing by karma

but It's not enough by me

originally, it's a pretty universal thing that works consistently

[covert wyvern]

I think it's probably also important to mention that RL seems to definitely pick particular elemtns from particular things to build their own version of supernatural events

[azure bay]

Couldn't agree more

[shy pecan]

Yeah you could

Just kidding

[covert wyvern]

Like uh

I think it's probably always a good idea to look at the games assuming they do adhere to all the facts of the wheel and its surroundings

but also I just think that's not the case and it's good to keep in mind that, lmao,

maybe parts r just fine

[azure bay]

there are many ways to change the form

many require certain conditions

as I think about it, some apply to the mythology as well

people with good intentions but not quite good means are likely to become asuras

an example I heard, a veterinarian who euthanizes sick animals

that could fit Eilanders depending on how you see them

but it's not the major thing that made them asuras

[shy pecan]

So what do you suppose the reason is the cubes would not reveal themselves to Nicholas when he was holding one?

Why the spirit of Caroline told Jacob not to give them her memories

[azure bay]

I think they did. It's just personal experience unseen from the side. He just struggled to find what Caroline hid

Caroline hid elixir formula in her memories

she was saving the elixir for Jacob

[shy pecan]

Awww

That's actually kinda sweet

Like "Jacob, if your father makes the elixir, there will just be more sacrifices to himself. If you make the elixir there will be sacrifices to the lake."

[azure bay]

there were 2 rituals in the end

Eilanders sacrificed Jacob's life and body on a special day to enlighten themselves

Caroline sacrificed herself to enlighten Jacob's soul afterwards

[shy pecan]

Nicholas came across to me as a self serving individual and that was probably a thing keeping him from enlightenment.

[azure bay]

don't think it would change anything

[shy pecan]

For him to become enlightened?

[azure bay]

the enlightenment he got was due to a ritual

his attitude affecting anything is unnecessary to explain the events

[shy pecan]

I think if Jacob was more self serving he might have fled. I think it was by his selflessness that he allowed himself to be sacrificed.

[azure bay]

I think it would still work if he were put in cage

[shy pecan]

Come to think about it, why didn't Caroline become Mrs. Owl, owner of the Rusty Lake Hotel?

Okay, but each person said it's time for the sacrifice. Jacob totally knew what he was walking into.

[azure bay]

no one said the sacrifice word

[shy pecan]

But they were all familiar with the plagues

David even said Jacob took his favorite plague

[azure bay]

family might know but that's debatable about Jacob

there is no evidence of him remembering anything

and even if he did know what were to happen

I'm almost sure the ritual would still work if it were performed against Jacob's will

[shy pecan]

Maybe that's why it didn't work for Carolyn

Sorry, I forget which spelling her name is

[azure bay]

at what point?

[shy pecan]

Wasn't she burned alive against her will?

[azure bay]

It wouldn't work neither for Caroline nor for the family

[shy pecan]

A major reason she didn't want the people who burned her to see her memories

[azure bay]

Eilanders needed to sacrifice the firstborn

Jacob needed the elixir and a sacrifice

Caroline wasn't their firstborn nor had anyone to sacrifice in her favor

and that wasn't her plan

[shy pecan]

Huh, Caroline dies and Jacob becomes enlightened, just like the elixir does.

[azure bay]

exactly

[shy pecan]

Kinda neat

The secret ingredient in the elixir is fire.

[azure bay]

nope, it's rather evident

[shy pecan]

It's gasoline. They're all drinking gasoline.

Jk

[azure bay]

the secret element was depicted by the owl mask whatever it may represent

[shy pecan]

So I feel like there is a theme to the memories like what the objects represent

[azure bay]

wdym

[shy pecan]

It's not just a shopping list for making the elixir of life and death

[azure bay]

you mean they act like the elixir elements?

[floral mauve]

if its about karma under the moral standard

Mr Owl is going to the forest

[azure bay]

not sure

he pretty much fits asura's ends and means logic

[floral mauve]

well, behaviour defines, he cant just play with memories while being pure and murdering guests for harvesting them

this is pretty dead in terms of karma

unless the lake is the one who controls karma

[azure bay]

you see, he means well but acts ill. The original karma considers that

[quiet echo]

holy shit i just realized that samsara room is a prequel and that you play as william, who reincarnates into Laura

[azure bay]

what did give it away?

[quiet echo]

the ending with laura in rose's arms

and also the Peofjm bkafkd

[topaz shard]

hey guys, i think everything kinda makes perfect sense to me in rusty lake world, except for one thing!

we saw that the corrupted sould in Root belongs to William, and it was all okay when he reincarnated as Laura, but the curropted soul that caused Laura's death, belong to who? and why did it want Laura's dead?

soul*

also we saw that Rose got to be Laura's mother, we didn't see what happened to Frank and Leonard

thoughts? :3

[half elm]

not sure about the first part and i've seen some discussion on here every now and then
i've heard some say it's dale's corrupted soul (because of paradox) but from another timeline or just someone elses corrupted soul

in my personal opinion, i think it was her own. from her extracted memory in the cave, we can clearly see that she killed herself. we've also seen bob touch hands and meet his own corrupted soul, so it wouldn't be impossible for laura's to manifest to just go out of her body (which it literally does. her corrupted soul usually appears out of her body or at least appears to)

and about the last part, we never saw rose pregnant or anything and because of all the circumstances we can pretty much say that laura was born out of the lake...from all 10 family members. rose was just chose n as the mother

[topaz shard]

quite clear, I'd sell like to see clouser for Frank and Leonard at least tho

[half elm]

me too! it seems though they get taken by the roots? rose jumped into the grandfather clock, which is used for teleportation, so that probably was what saved her. also both leonard and frank looked terrified while rose looked chill so it's probably most likely that they're dead. we also only see young laura with rose, not anybody else in samsara room

also for the first point, not 100% someone and their corrupt soul can co-exist at the same time but i'd like to believe it's some sort of hidden layer in someone. but the opposite can also work. maybe someone else will come in later and give another perspective

[topaz shard]

exactly i remember this quite well, add to that i seen some peeks from cube escape the past within, you can see pictures of rose and albert alone.
a big plot twist would be if Leonard, Frank or even anyone from vanderboom family is the curropted soul that killed Laura :p

[half elm]

seems unlikely to me but it'd sure be a twist!! also forgot to say that i think it is laura herself, as in seasons she saves herself from corruption by changing things herself... possibly bettering her mental health? i don't think these changes would stop another corrupted soul from killing her tbh

[topaz shard]

honestly seasons is the one i did not understand the most, we play as the corrupted soul, but it's not so assured it's Laura's corrupted soul.. since you get to see her when you look from the window.. why'd you see another Laura? we already have her body, and her corrupted soul, who's out there in the window.. maybe im wrong idk..
but now thinking about it
in paradox we hear her telling dale "one of us will be enlightened, the other will die"
we all know paradox is a scheme of Mr. Owl, maybe Mr. Owl is behind the death of Laura

[azure bay]

An important remark. Unlike Laura, Bob stayed alive after CS encounter.

A CS appearing from behind Laura's body isn't an indicator since Paradox. In a sense that it's a precedent of others soul manifesting in that way.

Another thing is, a CS that was willing to revive itself is unlikely to be the killer in the 1st place. Even less so in case if it's the same soul that already did this once in Roots (which is debatable tho).

If Laura's CS is somehow involved, it's rather symbolic than literal

[azure bay]

We've seen the clock rushing forward. That's enough for me to indicate 9 months required for pregnancy passing by.

The final scene may be just baptizing.

[azure bay]

We've clearly seen Laura welding the knife, yes. Yet some other CS may be a killer in a way that it pushed Laura to suicide or even possessed here. Fixing Laura's mental condition could undo the former and prevent the latter

[azure bay]

Frank and Leonard looked possessed. They were both thinking of a CS while horror tends to be depicted by The Scream (like in Voodoo chapter)

The clock in The Mill may have nothing to do with teleportation. It was Owl who promised to send the body and moments later we see him teleporting Dale without using any clock. The clock may have a different purpose, considering the weird timeline of The Mill. Laura was kidnapped in 1971 yet her memories were extracted in 1972.

Then, there was no foreshadowing of their death whatsoever. The ritual required 10 sacrifices and 3 timepieces, according to the alchemists, not a single word about another 2 whole bodies.

_ _
And once again, Rose spent a lot of time in the clock before supposedly being teleported. That wouldn't save her if the roots were harmful

[half elm]

I agree! I definitely thought it was probably more symbolic rather than literal because of what happened in the Cave

Right, I forgot about that – but she seems completely normal after the birth so I am not sure

It could've been that the Roots are somehow magical and aggressive, so it just took a hold of Leonard + Frank, while Rose, who was in the clock somehow survived because of that. But again, they could be alive but then I think they don't live with each other anymore as it seems like Rose raised Laura alone

[azure bay]

We know almost nothing about Laura's childhood for now.

Mostly SR secret scene. And the cousins don't seem that relevant for William-Laura's story to be featured there

[floral mauve]

what if the will to live is not strong, remember, CS is always suffering

Laura human and Laura CS are both suffering

I think committing suicide is the only choice she had left

to end her pain

[azure bay]

Prozac misuse may also cause suicidal tendencies

[floral mauve]

is that so

I thought anti depressant makes u numb

and calm

[azure bay]

It's what I read on wikipedia

[floral mauve]

cool

overdose is quite common

[analog yacht]

Prozac isn't very... Great XD it's why it's not typically used anymore

[half elm]

It depends, for some prozac can have that effect and be life-saving

But it can also have a lot of really bad side-effects, and for prozac one of them is increased suicidial feelings

Many people who take anti-depressants usually have to switch to another, as one may not work at all or just stop working

Also, it's not uncommon for someone to abuse antidepressants which might've been Laura's cause

Not to mention it was the 1960s soooo... and antidepressants and other medication get better year by year

[azure bay]

I wonder if prozac has anything to do with her death and if Owl has anything to do with providing her prozac

[half elm]

I actually wondered that too, especially since prozac didn't exist in our world until the 1970s. It is possible some kind of time altering was involved?
It's also implied Laura saved herself from corruption by changing something with her prozac intake

[tribal sundial]

Since RL is advertising as a "Mental Health" institution, then it's possible

[covert wyvern]

mhm but its used to "fix" lauras soul in game right

so can it really be a "bad thing"

[azure bay]

Not sure about the last one

I mean

She used prozac to fuel the machine

Probably to create an elixir, as devs implied during their Q&A

But I don't see how it would affect her consumption in the past

[half elm]

not sure either? it does seem to have some sort of affect on her though? i can really only see her either neglecting taking them or just them having bad side-effects

[floral mauve]

from what we know

Laura's goal is simply revive

rather than enlightenment right?

[azure bay]

Where is this going?

[floral mauve]

the elixir she is making is making her from preta back to human stage

sounds familiar of what Rabbit is trying to do

[azure bay]

I'm not jumping into conclusions. I just repeat what I read

[floral mauve]

yea

I am not trying to argue anything

just suggesting what this means

or could mean

[azure bay]

I think tying Rabbit into elixir business is a bit too far for now

[floral mauve]

but isnt that he is trying

from cs stage

to asura or human

and across out the entire RL series

only elixir or sacrifice can achieve that

[azure bay]

Time manipulation would probably do

[sage token]

Oh! I've had a question for quite some time. When exactly does Dale's elevator journey begin? I thought it was in Case 23 chapter 4, but I heard that it was in the white room from The Cave and I'm a bit confused

[mild owl]

Well if the story starts with seasons (according to Rusty Lake) I assume it’s that

Wait

Actually I’m not sure

[azure bay]

There was a mural in The Cave showing what happened right after Case 23

in summer 1972 (if we believe the dates removed after the CEC update)

at some point the elevator reached the bottom and Dale had to walk to the big white cube

Owl was protecting him from the corrupted guests

[sage token]

Oh I see

[azure bay]

we find Dale in that big cube

that was in winter 1972

[delicate atlas]

@mild owl the reason I think she's Ms. Pheasant is her dress looking like a bird feathers, as well as its blue color

[azure bay]

and send him up in another elevator

[delicate atlas]

Also when balancing the substances of her past lives you see Ms. Pheasant's hat

Rose seems to be still alive according to the past within

So it can't be her reincarnation

Unless she's a shape-shifter or something

Hope this cleared things up

[azure bay]

I wouldn't be so sure. I tend to think we play as Albert's soul in the 3D part

[delicate atlas]

Oh

I didn't play the demo

So I'm not sure

[azure bay]

wanna play?

[delicate atlas]

But from the teasers you play as her

I don't have time unfortunately

[azure bay]

during 2D part, yes

[delicate atlas]

Does it take time in 1972?

If so it's a proof rose is still alive

[azure bay]

2D part is in the past

[delicate atlas]

So she can't be the woman from theatre

Oops

[azure bay]

some time after Albert's death

at least the demo level

[mild owl]

It would make sense, your theory.

To be honest you’re probably right

[delicate atlas]

I don't think she would reincarnate after her death since it'd probably be a normal death with no sacrifice or cs stuff

[delicate atlas]

Glad that helped

It's just my speculation at the end of the day so take it with a grain of salt

[azure bay]

You speak of the songstress being Pheasant, do you?

[delicate atlas]

Yes

She's interesting to me, I hope we see more of her later

[azure bay]

like reincarnation?

[delicate atlas]

Yes

Just like Mr. Rabbit

He had an additional role and got a new form

So maybe pheasant got a similar treatment

And owl used her as a prop in theatre for his show

And her being his sister that harmed him the least kinda makes sense why he'd give her another chance

[azure bay]

The Theatre game seems to be heavily altered. I tend to think that, originally, her show was the only one the day Bob and Dale passed by

[azure bay]

I also tend to think that way, however it's a bit weird timeline-wise

the songstress coexists with Pheasant's CS still wandering the lake at the time

[delicate atlas]

Oh yeah it exists in the white door but without the part where she becomes a cs and asks dale to balance her past lives substances

[azure bay]

she has to come from the future which we didn't see that much with a non-corrupted person

[delicate atlas]

I don't understand what you mean?

Pheasant died in 1800s

Theatre takes place in 1970s

There's plenty of time for her to reincarnate

[azure bay]

and we see all the guests' souls in 1972

[delicate atlas]

Really?

Oh yeah in the cave

Then maybe her corrupted soul was used in Dale's altered memories only?

Seems possible since Mr. Owl altered so many things in Dale's memories

[azure bay]

you mean the balancing part?

[delicate atlas]

So he uses their souls inside the memories only

[delicate atlas]

I mean her existence as a whole in theatre

But I'm not sure about the white door

[azure bay]

the thing is, Bob also remembers seeing her performing. And also her poster and radio broadcast

[delicate atlas]

Yeah that's why it's so confusing

She's so mysterious

Maybe she's just a whole separate character with her own vague story

[azure bay]

I have 3 options

2 requires some form of time travel

and the last one is the most boring

• she's either her reincarnation that came from the future (maybe still as a CS)

• or Pheasant's human guise from the past

• or just an actress playing her role

[delicate atlas]

I hope we get more about her in future games

But I think the 3rd option is the best to avoid any confusion

[azure bay]

I do as well but there are other topics I'd prioritize

Rabbit's story, for example

of a confusing background character like Bob but way more mysterious and supernatural

[delicate atlas]

What's confusing about bob?

I think his subplot is pretty straightforward

[azure bay]

well, that part wasn't properly addressed even in TWD but I was able to get at least some idea

it was about him shooting himself in 1971 and being arrested in 1972

now we at least know that he shot himself for real (or at least believed so)

[delicate atlas]

I think of it as just another surreal rl thing

[azure bay]

it may be

it may be not

he could be just very lucky

there's a chance to survive that trajectory

[delicate atlas]

What I really wonder about is why are his memories so important?

My best guess is because it includes Laura

[azure bay]

it seems so

but it also seems that his mind is also important

[delicate atlas]

Man is a genius or something 🗿

[azure bay]

seems pretty average to me

a mid aged factory worker

[delicate atlas]

I personally think mr. Owl's goal is to get some form of super elixir that he can only make from Laura's memories because she's a successful reincarnation

[azure bay]

I think Laura's part is a bit different

[delicate atlas]

But what does he need that elixir for if he's gonna die/become a fish?

Who's supposed to use that elixir?

And why isn't mr. Crow dying?

[azure bay]

I guess I can answer that as well

[delicate atlas]

Go on

[azure bay]

and I think he is

[delicate atlas]

He seems pretty chill for someone who's dying

Unless he's tired from being immortal and ready to die

[azure bay]

First of all, I think there's no need to introduce some cooler elixir. The one we've seen is enough for the story to work

where do I start?

With William, I guess

not long ago it was revealed that both Toad and Bat used to be humans before meeting Owl

[delicate atlas]

When?

I missed that

In tpw?

[azure bay]

It was easy to miss

it was during august Q&A nobody took effort to properly document

[covert wyvern]

Ye we should've tried harder.

maybe

but i udnno we were all just having funny

[delicate atlas]

Rl lost media 🤩

[grizzled bluff]

It was fairly informal anyway XD

[azure bay]

we'll be smarter next time

I hope I will

[covert wyvern]

Ill b sure to open OBS next time

[azure bay]

but that's not important rn

[delicate atlas]

Yeah back to william

[azure bay]

I think the only realistic way they could go enlightened is William's elixir

[delicate atlas]

OH

So that's why they need Laura's memories

To access William's

[azure bay]

lol, basically yes

[delicate atlas]

Then why did they kill him 🗿

Big brain moment

[azure bay]

who?

[delicate atlas]

Crow killed William with the elixir

He seemed to know the effect

And made William drink first on purpose

And then made him do the 10 sacrifices

Like he planned it all along

What an elaborate plan to back to square 1

[azure bay]

the order doesn't seem to be important. The dog drank before James yet was more lucky than him

[delicate atlas]

Sometimes it feels like crow has different goals than owl

[delicate atlas]

Good point

Maybe there's something that triggers the elixir's effects?

Like a greedy desire to be immortal leads to death

While drinking it for enlightenment leads to immortality

In other words one's intentions affects the result

[azure bay]

maybe, Dale for example seems to have a choice but that's not relevant for the story I'd like to continue

[delicate atlas]

Alright go on

[azure bay]

this indicates to me that they both knew the drill

So

Owl had enough elixir to enlighten his servants but not enough to sustain himself in The Cave

I guess, he didn't know the effect was temporary until some point

and when he started to weaken it was too late

James was able to recreate the elixir by using uncle's journal

but for some reason it became unavailable for Owl

My wild guess is Mary destroying the journal out of grief

or at least the elixir part of it

or maybe James was also using the leftovers

of the base alchemical substances no one can create

[mild owl]

This is roots again 😪

I don’t know whether I should get roots or level up the server…

[covert wyvern]

get roots.

genuinely.

[mild owl]

Ok

[azure bay]

I think, William's reincarnation plan started as Crow's personal project

[delicate atlas]

I believe William's cs was guiding him

[mild owl]

I’ll get roots and paradise and I’ll get a boost next week

[azure bay]

well, It looked the other way around but I think they both preplanned it before drinking the elixir

[delicate atlas]

Since the cs was communicating with rose, I think it could influence people's decisions to go its way

I meant that William's corrupted soul was guiding james in making the elixir

[azure bay]

maybe but I don't really see a reason for that. All William needed is waiting until Vanderbooms die by natural causes

except for the grandchildren

their part was more important

[delicate atlas]

Good point

But to me, I saw it as him being really greedy and selfish and wanting to live as soon as possible (hence the corrupted part of corrupted soul, as in "the worst parts of a person") so he made them speedrun death

[azure bay]

dunno

[delicate atlas]

Emma's painting of s cs watching her hang kinda indicates that imo

Like she knew he was making these terrible things happen to them on purpose

And some of these things were a butterfly effect/snowballing from other things he did

And he was watching to make sure it will go his way

And interfere if it doesn't

[azure bay]

I see that in a different way. For me, she was just close to her death and saw a ghost. The same I see in Leonard's flashbacks

[delicate atlas]

That could be it

[azure bay]

there are several problems I see

He was risking loosing James by giving him elixir

he could probably become (conditionally) immortal back then

[delicate atlas]

Maybe you need a body to drink it?

Oh wait yeah now I get what you're saying

[azure bay]

I mean James could become more difficult to kill

[delicate atlas]

He'd be immortal as in aging doesn't kill him

But I don't think he can't be stabbed

Or shot

Or hung

[azure bay]

it would make things more difficult

[mild owl]

Hung* 😉

[delicate atlas]

Oops

[mild owl]

WTH why did it wink

Uff nvm

[azure bay]

(isn't the tarot card titled "a hanged man"?)

[delicate atlas]

Yeah that's why I used hanged

I'm used to seeing it when it comes to nooses

But idk

Anyway yeah I see your point

[azure bay]

and by making Albert go nuts William would put Frank into a risk

[delicate atlas]

He'd half to find another way to kill james

And take more time to achieve his gaol

[covert wyvern]

if no ones asking you to correct their English

just don't.

[mild owl]

Ok sorry

:/

[delicate atlas]

I see

[azure bay]

I mean, it's a miracle the boy survived there for decades

[delicate atlas]

Guess the family was just extremely jinxed

[azure bay]

we don't really know

[delicate atlas]

I thought Albert was feeding him in samll quantities to keep him alive?

[azure bay]

William could think of himself as a master schemer and his plan just backfired several times

[azure bay]

what about cold winters?

[delicate atlas]

From the well part where he gives him a potato through an opening in the well walls

[delicate atlas]

You're right

[half elm]

He probably provided him the minium needed to survive

[delicate atlas]

Yeah

[half elm]

Just to keep him alive to torture him I guess

[delicate atlas]

Just to make him suffer as long as possible

[azure bay]

anyways, back to the point

[delicate atlas]

Yes

[azure bay]

Owl seemingly wasn't originally involved in that plan

unless one peculiar line

"the fate of Rusty Lake lies in this small seed"

what the hell did he mean by that?

[half elm]

I don't remember exactly how the place looked before he took out the seed... but if I had to guess, the seed is needed to plant the tree -> roots -> eventual rebirth

I guess which is needed for the next succesor...?

[azure bay]

The thing is, I don't think Owl cared about successor at the time

I'll explain a bit later

or rather now

[half elm]

Maybe? Planting a tree / seed is usually a metaphor for starting something new

[azure bay]

Owl seems to have started looking for his successor some time around 1893

it was that year he saw Dale in a future memory

I guess it was then he started feeling weak

or his elixir stock depleted

Dale is the one to drink the elixir, @delicate atlas

According to this book, the golden Cube is elixir

[delicate atlas]

Yeah it makes sense now

Thank you

[azure bay]

it bares its insignia

[delicate atlas]

I appreciate your hard work

Your the official RL theorist to me

[azure bay]

thanks for your kind words

[delicate atlas]

Now I think that william is indeed crow's personal project

Maybe crow is the real mastermind

[azure bay]

not sure about that yet

for now I see him mostly loyal

[half elm]

The seed comes from William, which is then given to Mr. Owl when he says those words. Pretty clear this is what is needed for the rebirth... (as seed is a symbol for life itself)
but yeah, what is kinda unclear is the importance and why it's needed for Rusty Lake's whole future, if they didn't know a future succesor was needed at that time

[azure bay]

I can say more

if they knew they'd need William's memories why would they lose the elixir formula used by James?

[half elm]

Kinda? But they do work together, only that William is you know, corrupted. Mr. Crow talks with him multiple times during Roots and guide him

[azure bay]

a friend of mine theorized that Crow has a contingency plan

like he's more loyal to William's memory than to Owl, secretly messes up his plans and is in charge of rebellion behind Sarah

he bases his judgement on a single fact of offering Bob to go kill himself

[half elm]

I agree! Mr. Crow was an alchemist and must be pretty smart, so there's no suprise he plans for the future just in case

[delicate atlas]

I meant the mastermind behind owl's plans

[half elm]

OH I see

[delicate atlas]

Oh that's interesting

[half elm]

But Mr. Owl worked alone well for a pretty long time, didn't he?

[azure bay]

I mean he thinks that Crow plans to overthrow Owl

[delicate atlas]

And in twd there's an achievement where crow appears in the mental facility

[half elm]

Makes sense now

[delicate atlas]

(Supporting the claim he's behind Sarah's rebellion)

[half elm]

I misunderstood

[azure bay]

He could be there no matter his allegiance

[delicate atlas]

Yeah that's true too

I have a bad habit of reading too much imto things

[azure bay]

I need to express my problem with considering Crow unloyal

in The Cave they act like real friends sharing the boat

they are both weakened

[delicate atlas]

Good point

Maybe owl knows of crow's alternative plans?

Maybe crow's plans are plan b basically

So that's why owl is ok with it

[azure bay]

I don't think there are such. We have a potential motive - saving William but we don't really see evidence of him going rogue

[delicate atlas]

So it's a sentimental motive to save a family member

[azure bay]

the only real point Crow could be seen going against Owl's plans is once again Bob

but it's dangerous to mess with Bob on Owl's territory

[delicate atlas]

You mean when he gave him a drink in theatre that made him shoot himself?

[floral mauve]

funny thing, I think the reason why William didnt provide the full formula is to make back up for the future

[delicate atlas]

Wasn't that technically Dale who did it?

[floral mauve]

I think he doesnt trust Aldous completely since in front of enlightenment, cant trust anyone

[azure bay]

he gave him the pistol with the words "you know what to do"

[delicate atlas]

Oh

[floral mauve]

so he can kinda force Crow and Owl to revive him

[delicate atlas]

That could be it too

[floral mauve]

my thought is

the elixir formula is made of Aldous and WIlliam

one missing doesnt work

but that sounds too dramatic

[delicate atlas]

OHH

So that's why they need Laura

Aka William 0.2

[azure bay]

I see no evidence of Aldous being considered by the book in that way

[floral mauve]

But it has flaw

[floral mauve]

the book is kinda mysterious

I assume Mr Owl wrote it

[delicate atlas]

Imo you need 2 people for enlightenment and sacrifices

[floral mauve]

if so, it can be rewritten if Aldous is the one that died

that book is legit a notebook

to record stuff

[azure bay]

I'm not taking unreliable narrators when we talk about the in-game notes

[floral mauve]

However

[delicate atlas]

William (sacrificed) and Crow (enlightened)
Jacob and Nicholas (or the entire family)
Coraline and Nicholas (failed sacrifice and enlightenment)
Laura and Dale

[floral mauve]

that still doesnt explain about James

how that genius got the elixir

[azure bay]

I have 2 guesses

[delicate atlas]

One will die, the other will reach enlightenment

That's the law of equivalent exchange in alchemy

[floral mauve]

it has been said that elixir is an advanced version of ritual

depends on what u think

[delicate atlas]

See, me is genius

[floral mauve]

bruh

ritual has flaws

u have to use first born

elixir has flaws as well

50% uncertainty

[delicate atlas]

Yeah what I meant is rituals and elixir work the same

[floral mauve]

so I guess there is no advance

but only fairness

[delicate atlas]

Yeah that's true both methods are flawed

[floral mauve]

elixir is more fair

since we dont know who is gonna die

[delicate atlas]

That's why I believe it's an equivalent exchange

[azure bay]

• James was following the journal which may be lost afterwards for one reason or another
• James could use the intermediate ingredient leftovers

[delicate atlas]

Sacrifice someone important and powerful -> get enlightenment

[floral mauve]

eh

well

doesnt seem to be the case tbh

[delicate atlas]

It seems to me

[floral mauve]

not in this series

might be for thanos

not for the lake

[delicate atlas]

Coraline had some powers/influence on the lake

Jacob too

[azure bay]

we don't know to what extent

[azure bay]

definitely no

[delicate atlas]

Laura is special because she's a reincarnation rather than an ordinary everyday person

[floral mauve]

Jakob is not considered to be important or powerful for the family, for the family, his value is porbably only for the lake day

[azure bay]

everyone is someone's reincarnation

[delicate atlas]

Then why did they need him to fix paradise?

[floral mauve]

yep

agree

[floral mauve]

to lure him back

[azure bay]

they needed him to be killed

[delicate atlas]

They could've done it themselves if it didn't require some sort of power

[floral mauve]

its a trap

bruh

[delicate atlas]

So they caused the 10 plagues on purpose?

[azure bay]

maybe not but they definitely used them

[floral mauve]

2nd option is the one I think

the journal is probably helping him to understand what is the elixir

[azure bay]

having both would make it more impossible even to another alchemist

[floral mauve]

?

[azure bay]

having intermediate substances could help someone who knows a thing or two

an alchemist would also more easily decrypt the journal

[floral mauve]

yep

thats a better phrase

I am dumb

[blazing notch]

uhhh, sorry if I cut your conversation, but, who is the dark soul? I see it in all games but i don't know who is it...

[floral mauve]

em, its a type of soul

called corrupted soul

dark soul is a nice series of game

[azure bay]

Caroline, William, Laura, Van Gogh, Bob, Dale depending on the game

[azure bay]

the term is legit. It was used in TWD

[floral mauve]

the corrupted soul itself belongs to the samsara wheel 6 stages

which is a more deep line within RL

[floral mauve]

sorryyy

I didnt look that much into details

[azure bay]

no worries

you have me for that

[floral mauve]

aww

[blazing notch]

Ahh, so it is like the dark part or dark memories of every character

[azure bay]

somewhat yes

[blazing notch]

Thanks

[azure bay]

they can also be considered ghosts

in some cases

[blazing notch]

Ok, better

[azure bay]

I think this corruption may touch the soul no matter if it's inside or outside a body

and no matter if the person is dead or not

[blazing notch]

And other question, why Laura committed suicide (this explain un case 23) if she is the reincarnation of william??

[floral mauve]

right into the rabbit hole

we have been discussing this for 2 days

[covert wyvern]

and im sure for days and months to come

[floral mauve]

yea

[covert wyvern]

(this isnt like a bad thing just lmao)

[blazing notch]

Hahaha, okey don't worry

[floral mauve]

I never said its a bad thing

more discussion can reveal more details

and polish them

[azure bay]

We don't know the exact reasons for her death. Even the suicide part is somewhat debatable. But yeah, she's William

[floral mauve]

lmao

why it sounds funny

[blazing notch]

I'm triying to explain the RL story to my sister and she thinks that i'm crazy

I understand now the meme that audio over rusty lake takes so long

[azure bay]

You need to start either small or big and very generally

Either with Laura or Samsara

[sage token]

Just have her play the games. It's easier that way

[blazing notch]

Yes, thank!

[mild owl]

Someone told me that in seasons you play as Laura? But when did Laura have a corrupted mind?

[azure bay]

since The Mill

[mild owl]

What? I do not remember this?

I must say, I have played it a long time ago though

[azure bay]

that's a fine excuse to replay the series

which you seem to do already

[mild owl]

Mhm

[delicate atlas]

You play as Laura's corrupted soul going back in time and visiting her memories to change her future (as in not kill herself/get murdered)

She uses a blue cube to do that

[mild owl]

Oh right, that makes sense!

Well technically it doesn’t if you compare it to real life but yeh 😐

It’s normal for Rusty Lake

[delicate atlas]

Yeah that's where the fun is

Also there's the possibility that she only changed her memories and not the real world

Or that after changing her past, there's an alt timeline where she lives, seen in paradox

[mild owl]

That is true, but if you say that then could have Dale done that in birthday?

[azure bay]

I see no reason not to take Laura's notes literally

[delicate atlas]

Yes

[mild owl]

So Dales parents could actually be dead?

[delicate atlas]

Dale only changed his memories, not the real world

Yes they are dead

That's why it's still a traumatizing memory in paradox

[azure bay]

dude

dude

[delicate atlas]

And the memory replays

[mild owl]

Oh… so the cubes only change memories? Orr?

[delicate atlas]

I guess so