🤔｜theories

[floral mauve]

his power is strong in my opinion

not like a regular human

[azure bay]

A voodoo sorcerer

[floral mauve]

plus voodoo stuff

yes

[azure bay]

but CS having some powers doesn't seem that crazy

Albert is not unique

[floral mauve]

the only human that can do that stuff is probably Ida

[azure bay]

what stuff?

[floral mauve]

magical stuff

voodoo curse

[azure bay]

aren't we talking about CS?

[floral mauve]

yes

I thought Albert is beyond human

when he wears masks

that made him more like CS or Asura

[azure bay]

not sure

some people are more capable

like Ida & Rose

some have knowledge

If I'm not mistaken voodoo is about speaking with spirits

continuing these thoughts, I can assume that Albert dealt with some CS

[floral mauve]

emmmmm

strange

[azure bay]

one guy from reddit assumed that a CS that many call Crow was evoked by Albert's sorcery

[floral mauve]

Interesting

never thought of this

[sage token]

Should theories be in spoiler tags or is this whole channel basically one big spoiler anyway?

[high talon]

nah

[floral mauve]

read the pinned messages

this channel is full of spoilers

ask anything u want here

[covert wyvern]

Yes this^

[sage token]

So I had a thought. It's probably an obvious thing that everyone already knows about... But the messages about "Not the blue vial!" in Paradox are signed "D". Is it Dale leaving himself clues? If so, he'd already been trapped in the loop for who knows how long before us the players even showed up.

[floral mauve]

so, you are saying that everytime the paradox room stays the same and not refreshed?

By that I mean, it doesnt reset

if it doesnt reset, he remembers his choices, why would he bother to sign

If it does reset, why would the sign be there and not erased

[sage token]

Some things change, but others stay the same. The furniture is basically the same in both chapters one and two.
If I were trapped in a loop, I'd want to give myself clues.

if it doesnt reset, he remembers his choices, why would he bother to sign
His memory seems to be somewhat effected every time he wakes up in the room. He can recall some things, but has trouble remembering other details.

[floral mauve]

just in case

u know that paradox is in his mind right

[sage token]

Yes

[floral mauve]

then the room can be whatever he wants technically

however

it is also manipulated by Mr Owl and lake power

[sage token]

But I feel like it might be more than that, in a way. Like a simulation. Since, that's how Dale finds out that Owl wants him to be his successor.

[sage token]

Exactly. Dale's hooked up to that machine in The Cave. Owl could be manipulating his mind.

[floral mauve]

I would say guiding

rather than manipulating

[sage token]

Perhaps

I feel like the room is a simulation of sorts that shuffles around every time Dale reaches the end and restarts.

[floral mauve]

not really

what kind of end do u mean

the end of saving or not saving Laura

or u mean in general

of the game

[sage token]

Whenever either Laura dies or he sacrifices himself

[floral mauve]

yes

then he will not restart

if he made his decision

but the ending is opened

so we dont know his decision until next Dale related game

[sage token]

No matter what choice he makes, we always look in the cube and he ends up back in the room. If I'm remembering correctly, anyway.

[floral mauve]

?

are u sure

[sage token]

I could be remembering wrong.

[floral mauve]

if he chose Laura dies

He gets on the elevator Journey with golden cube

and goes with CE Birthday and Theatre

then arrive hotel

[sage token]

I'm pretty sure, if he kills Laura, Dale picks up the cube and we see a flash of live action Dale and goes back to the room

[floral mauve]

?

oh

no

I mean the secret ending

[sage token]

I'm gonna double check when I can

I could be wrong

[floral mauve]

the normal endings we see are the looped ones

[sage token]

The Chapter 1 secret ending? I never got the Chapter 2 achievements 😅

[floral mauve]

well yes

[sage token]

Oof

I'll get on that, then

[floral mauve]

and no

[sage token]

Pulled a Master Splinter on me, I see

[floral mauve]

chapter 1 shows u

[sage token]

Aye

I need to refresh my memory

[floral mauve]

chapter 2 secret ending shows u the golden cube

sorry for spoilers

[sage token]

No worries

[azure bay]

I personally agree with Dale staying there for quite a while & leaving notes for himself

[covert wyvern]

Ye I think it's fair to assume dale goes through more than just the loops we see in ch1+2 and the movie^

[azure bay]

What's more, as I said before, Dale staying in Paradox for months would elegantly explain his beard regrowth in the lore boundaries

[floral mauve]

I do agree but I find it strange that the mark hasnt been erased

I thought the paradox room resets every time he comes back

since its not reality

[azure bay]

We could derive what resets & what doesn't

[floral mauve]

maybe Dale defines that since its technically his own mind

[royal notch]

Or maybe the Lake is permitting those little helps to let him get out in the right way.

[floral mauve]

also possible

[sage token]

Well actually, you know how in The Matrix, in the real world Neo is bald, but when he goes back into the Matrix he has hair? That's because that's how he sees himself.
Paradox takes place in Dale's mind so I believe a similar thing is happening there with his beard.
Unless I'm mistaken, Paradox takes place at the same time Dale's hooked up to the machine in The Cave, where he is without his beard.

[azure bay]

I agree on Dale's state however I'm not that sure if he would still see himself bearded.

Another thing is, Dale preserves such feature as forhead wound. It appears in ch1 and stays through ch2 & even the movie (which is depicted to take place afterwards)

[sage token]

🤔 Interesting

[floral mauve]

probably due to constantly bang his head every time he resets

[azure bay]

you don't get me

he wakes up already wounded

after supposed reset

[sage token]

Some furniture stays the same, but others disappear and others are added. Like I said before, it seems to shuffle around and not reset completely.

[azure bay]

according to the movie, the furniture doesn't change as much as you think. The room contains both the sofa & the table with armchairs

I assume Dale just focuses on different things during different levels

[sage token]

I never thought of that 🤔
However, the drawers contain different things in Chapter 1 vs Chapter 2. Chapter 1 has files on different people and in Chapter 2 it's a phonebook

[azure bay]

I tend to think that we should always question what we see

and also what we don't

because there are not only in-lore reasons

but also the ones outside it

[sage token]

Yes, look beyond what you see, as the monkey boi in The Lion King says

[azure bay]

gameplay, allegories & symbols, oversights & retcons, narrative, technical limitations & so on & so forth

[frozen pier]

hmm i want to know more about the lore

so far ive played the first 3 cube escapes

in seasons this one girl ||gets murdered but, who is she??||

[azure bay]

the best source to start knowing more is to play all of them)))))))

[sage token]

I'd say the best way to learn more is by playing more games

[frozen pier]

sorry if i sound dumb i really am clueless LOL

ooh okay

[sage token]

Aha great minds think alike

[azure bay]

why does it matter, you think?

[frozen pier]

hmmmmm

i think the girl visited rusty lake because of the note on the wall

so its all related

then in cube escape lake

i think we're playing as the girl

when she went there

maybe

[azure bay]

you're goddamn right))))))))

[frozen pier]

OH AM I??

YESSS

[sage token]

I didn't piece that together until I started exploring the wiki page :v

[frozen pier]

i still dont know what to think about arles tho

[azure bay]

I think almost no one did

[frozen pier]

the last game i played

[azure bay]

for me it's 3 things:

• CE: van Gogh edition

• an outside view over laws of RL

• a possible clue on how exactly did the woman die

[sage token]

So the city of Arles is in France, unless I'm mistaken. Which means somehow, Van Gogh was affected by the lake even though he was most likely quite a ways away from it. ||Since there's a good case that Rusty Lake is in North America, though I know that's a debated topic.||

[frozen pier]

hmmm

we can't know where rusty lake is located though

[sage token]

Not for certain, but there are clues

[frozen pier]

ive also played hotel because thats how i got into this saga, and the hotel looks very european to me

[sage token]

Or Rusty Lake is its own pocket dimension

[azure bay]

I've got a theory that van Gogh was cured at RL in that universe instead of St. Paul Asylum

[signal badge]

I feel like different parts take place in different areas tbh

[azure bay]

we don't have many

[sage token]

Ah. Well, I'm not well versed in the life of Van Gogh

[frozen pier]

cant be discarded!!!

[signal badge]

True, but with what we do have there can be a case made for that

[azure bay]

how exactly many you can name?

[frozen pier]

also is it ever revealed WHO are we playing as in seasons???

because i have no clue

[azure bay]

ehm

the ending

it was pretty explicit

[frozen pier]

oh

[sage token]

I've read that it's ||The Woman||, but it wasn't clear to me during the game

[frozen pier]

i missed something 😁

[frozen pier]

oh

[azure bay]

I propose not using spoiler tags here because no one respects them

[sage token]

I just didn't want to blurt it out in case someone didn't want to know

[frozen pier]

OH makes sense

[azure bay]

well, regulars do know it

and newbies are curious

[frozen pier]

i didnt think the ending of seasons was ||ourselves on the window|| lol

[sage token]

Okie dokie then

[frozen pier]

oh sorry

i will do

[azure bay]

It was about the mirror

[frozen pier]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[azure bay]

don't worry

[frozen pier]

is harvey's identity revealed

[azure bay]

it's just my wish to make your discoveries more pure

[frozen pier]

because i remember in spring a note said, can I eat harvey's egg?

[azure bay]

not really but we have some interesting insides

[frozen pier]

will it spoil me about other games if you tell me them?

[azure bay]

it was officially called ancient

the parrot I mean

[frozen pier]

OH

oh i did find the parrot very interesting

i was so sad when i had to kill it :c

[azure bay]

you'll be surprised even more

[sage token]

I tapped on it as a joke and I didn't know that it would work 😭

[frozen pier]

LOOL

i didnt know what to do so i started watching ads for clues and 😭

[azure bay]

(in case you are able to find secrets)

[frozen pier]

i did manage to get the code from seasons in lake

[azure bay]

such a nice artistic move, I'd say

[sage token]

Spring and Winter in Seasons are a couple decades apart, Harvey resembles a parakeet, and parakeets don't live much longer than a few years. That alone told me that something was up with the birb.

[frozen pier]

theyre 7 years apart

arent they

spring is 1964

winter is 1971 i think

[sage token]

I thought Spring was in the 60s and Winter was in the 80s

🤔

Idk I have Swiss cheese brain

[frozen pier]

oh dont worry i beat it yesterday LOL

[azure bay]

1981*

[sage token]

Aha

[azure bay]

71 was in summer & fall

[frozen pier]

oooh

see i was confused

seasons was such a misterious game

i understood lake more

WAIT i have a question about lake

at some point i fish a dead body

whos that

are they important

[azure bay]

I don't think it was someone particular

[frozen pier]

also

is prozac like

an actual drug

[azure bay]

yeah

[frozen pier]

oh

[azure bay]

antidepressant

[frozen pier]

Oh?????

thats quite interesting

[azure bay]

(however IRL it was mass-produced not earlier than 80s)

[frozen pier]

maybe

the woman was followed by that shadow after the encounter in the lake

so she began to get depressed and panicked

and thus shes taking antidepressants

[azure bay]

she was depressed in spring 1964 already

the lake takes place some time (discover the year yourself) before Summer

summer contains all flashbacks about the lake

[frozen pier]

oh

then she went to the lake because she was depressed and wanted to imporve her mental health

like its said in the

leaflets

[sage token]

Aye

[azure bay]

and that was deliberately confirmed only in the 9th game of the series. GJ

[frozen pier]

LOOOL

[azure bay]

I mean confirmed confirmed

[frozen pier]

wow the lore is quite interesting

i might beat the next game before i go to bed

[azure bay]

you can't even imagine how deep it is

[frozen pier]

harvey's box

[frozen pier]

the deeper the more interesting it is

[sage token]

I love that one because of who we get to play as

[azure bay]

do you know how to incorporate the premium games into the playthrough order?

at least into the one intended by the devs

[frozen pier]

no, what do you mean?

[azure bay]

there are just 10 Cube Escape games

[frozen pier]

im playing all the games for free on bluestacks except the rusty lake ones

[azure bay]

while there are 15 in that universe in total

[frozen pier]

Oh for real!?!??!?!

[azure bay]

with the 16th upcoming next year

[sage token]

Yup. I really want to play the premium ones soon. I'm just waiting for my ship to come in. And also the Steam Christmas sale.

[frozen pier]

how do i incorporate the premium ones, and where do i purchase them?

[azure bay]

what platform do you use?

[frozen pier]

pc

im playing the games on bluestacks

an android emulator

[azure bay]

ah

[covert wyvern]

All the Rl games are on steam^

[frozen pier]

yes but im playing cube escape rn

[azure bay]

and also google play

[frozen pier]

are those in steam tho??

[covert wyvern]

Only the collection! Whichll cost you some money

And paradox on its own, that's free at least?

[sage token]

I don't recommend getting the premium games with Bluestacks -- they're the same price on Steam and with Steam it's less likely to have your information leaked. I've heard of some Bluestacks mishaps.

[frozen pier]

is the collection just 1 game?

[azure bay]

9 old CE games

[covert wyvern]

With additional fancy achievements

[frozen pier]

OOOH so the one cube escape game thats on steam is the one not in collection

[azure bay]

Well, they are the same on phones

[frozen pier]

cube escape paradox

[covert wyvern]

Ye paradox is not in the collection^

[sage token]

According to Google there's actually an Autumn sale on right now, but my connection stinks right now so I can't get on the Steam website to confirm

[azure bay]

the best RL game in my book

[frozen pier]

will i get the premium games if i buy the collection?

[azure bay]

they are sold separately

[frozen pier]

no spoilers i want to play them in order

[frozen pier]

and where do i buy them

[azure bay]

you are not even familiar to its protagonist

[frozen pier]

oh

well rn i only know like

2 characters LOL

oh and the ones in hotel

[azure bay]

steam, for examle

google play

[frozen pier]

do i just look for cube escape on steam and theyll be there?

[sage token]

Here's what I do: I'm also using Bluestacks for the Cube Escape Collection because it's free on there.
But for the premium games, Cube Escape: Paradox and the others, I'm using Steam.

[frozen pier]

but WHICH are the premium games

[azure bay]

Search for Rusty Lake

[frozen pier]

oh so the premium games are hotel, paradise and roots?

[covert wyvern]

Anyway I think it's about time yo remind y'all to please stick to Theories in this channel ;)

[azure bay]

TWD is also considered premium

[covert wyvern]

For any general questions about the games feel free to use #🩸｜general-chat though!

Thanks for answering their questions though Crafter

[azure bay]

@frozen pier I'm looking forward hearing out your theories about CE:HB when you finish it

[frozen pier]

ty!!!

[sage token]

x2

[floral mauve]

@frozen pier I have seen that u are playing hotel now, which may cause some confusion due to sudden animal characters, it is recommendable to play paradise as well and bring ur thoughts!

I am looking forward to hearing it as well

[frozen pier]

i want to play the games on order, ill play paradise soon

[floral mauve]

yep

[frozen pier]

im quite busy lately tho, my studies take up a lot of my time

[floral mauve]

just saying that keep going!

no need to rush

we are quite calm in the community, since TPW is next year

[frozen pier]

oh i see that

this community is small but it sure is friendly

[azure bay]

@frozen pier does it mean that you've played HB already?

[frozen pier]

i haven't yet sadly :c

i was quite busy yesterday, but since today I'm free I'll be able to play

[floral mauve]

dont push him

[frozen pier]

okay so

ive played

harveys box

and im playing case 23 BUT its late and im scared

so this is a pause

[sage token]

Just....be ready for Chapter 4

[frozen pier]

NAURRR ive just started chapter 3

[sage token]

All I'll say is it was the most stressful thing I've played in a while

[frozen pier]

anyway i think in harvey's box we play as a rat but... thats weird

[sage token]

But anywho, what are your thoughts?

[sage token]

No we play as the birb

[frozen pier]

because we know harvey, from seasons

[frozen pier]

I KNEWWW ITTT

[azure bay]

it used to be even more intense before the collection update I hated them cutting off that part.

Yeah, what have you learnt from HB?

[frozen pier]

okay so the thing is ive played hotel already

so ive beat mrs pigeon's room

and i know she was experimenting on some children

is that baby bird the one in the box in harvey's box??

[azure bay]

why the box would be named after Harvey then?

[frozen pier]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

okay so the thing is harvey is a person

but we dont know who

so maybe harvey has become a bird somehow

[azure bay]

Harvey was mentioned in Seasons

[sage token]

I'm gonna have to stay out of this bit, because I haven't played Hotel yet and I wanna avoid spoilers ^^

[frozen pier]

OH WAIT

MAYBE HARVEY IS THE BIRD FROM SEASONS

[azure bay]

bingo

[sage token]

Yessssss. Remember Harvey's song

[frozen pier]

okiee im still on case 23 tho, its just ive played hotel because i just got it for free

LOL

[sage token]

XD

[frozen pier]

so harvey is the bird

and we know it got to rusty lake somehow

harvey?

[sage token]

I forget, have you played The Lake?

[frozen pier]

i have!

ive played seasons, the lake, arles, harvey's and case 23

[azure bay]

I suggest you paying more attention to the outside, Hugo

in HB that is

[frozen pier]

hmm??

i know they're at the lake

because of the background in the hole

[hoary lichen]

yeah

[azure bay]

not initially

[frozen pier]

but thats all ive gotten

[frozen pier]

oooh??

OOH true because we go through the fruit

[hoary lichen]

oh yeah the fruit

whats up with that

[frozen pier]

i didnt notice where we were before i

[hoary lichen]

that would be a good theory

[frozen pier]

we changed locations

when traversing the fruit

[hoary lichen]

yeah I mean why specifically that fruit

[frozen pier]

at the start we're at the room

i have!!!

i bought collections today because its cheap and makes stuff more comfortable

[hoary lichen]

it sure does

[sage token]

Oh! Is the fish with legs--wait that spoils Paradox. Erm...
Is the fish with legs ||Mr. Owl because he has a fish head for a second in Paradox?||

[frozen pier]

-doesnt reveal spoiler-

[azure bay]

I don't think so

[sage token]

Darn

Then what's up with the f i s h?

[frozen pier]

is there anything left for me to know about harvey's box or should i go on with case 23?

[hoary lichen]

I don't think so

[azure bay]

it's about next life

[sage token]

Oh?

[frozen pier]

goes back to playing-

[hoary lichen]

I think you can go to case twenty and three

[late canyon]

Harvey Tirippinr out on some fermented cactus Fruit juice

[azure bay]

have understood Theatre's lesson?

[hoary lichen]

and ||in paradox also||

in a way

[sage token]

I'll probably have to replay that. All I remember is my siblings thinking I was weird for applauding irl after every performance

[azure bay]

as you may remember there were 6 plays: about the past, the present & the future.
Mind reflecting on what each play is about

[sage token]

Aha

[azure bay]

@frozen pier and a bit late, but still. I'm not sure whether the tortured bird is a child

I'm even struggling to understand if it's a bird or a Mr. Bird, if you get what I mean

[frozen pier]

oh yes i do

[hoary lichen]

I looked it up to make sure and it kinda looks like a baby pigeon in a way

but doesn't look like some its weird

so yeah idk either

[azure bay]

It looks a lot more animalistic than everyone else

no clothes

birdy legs & wings

[hoary lichen]

ohhh true

the wings

[azure bay]

however it seems kinda sapient

and big

[hoary lichen]

and also if it is a baby pigeon its a pretty t

YEAH

tall one

thats what I was gonna say

[azure bay]

you know what

I suspect even the devs haven't decided

[frozen pier]

okay so

after that AWFUL sliding puzzle ive beat case 23

ill play the mill tomorrow

[azure bay]

the deer thing used to be haunting the player all across the cabin

[frozen pier]

oh the deer

i didnt understand but then i died and i understood

it wasnt difficult tho

chapter 3 was the hardest

[azure bay]

what forms of the deer have you seen so far?

[frozen pier]

ummm

normal deer

and human with horns

and i know mr deer

[azure bay]

you've missed a headless deer)))))))))))))

[frozen pier]

ooo

i didnt see it at all

how do i get him??

[azure bay]

just watch there at the right point in time

it's an intermediate stage

[frozen pier]

im NOT gonna do that again soon tho

chapter 3 sliding puzzle was so difficult

anyway

im left with a lot of questions from case 23

but i think the answers are in the next games

[azure bay]

I'll try to answer them

[frozen pier]

okay so first

is the cat important

[azure bay]

I'll not spoil

[azure bay]

I guess no

[frozen pier]

and like

in chapter 1 we're at

the house

then in chapter 2 police station doesnt matter

chapter 3 is the chapel which is already rusty lake

and then chapter 4 is the cabin

and also

mr crow was like

merged from a human

is it because mr crow is a human transformed into an animal??

[azure bay]

Crow's origin is hidden in Roots

[frozen pier]

ooooh

[azure bay]

I've derived it before finding a big secret just by some clues

I guess there wasn't that many questions after all

[floral mauve]

Play Theatre to have a better understanding

take it easy

tbh Theatre and Birthday can be played individually without following orders

since the only connection of them to other CE games is the elevator

and the concept

[hoary lichen]

Ohhhh

Van Gogh is in the plot

Because

Van

I think

[floral mauve]

?

oh

emmm

unlikely

[hoary lichen]

Because Van means from and stuff

And Vanderboom

Vamdermeer

[floral mauve]

I know

but its just a dutch name

like in german

Von

in dutch its van

[hoary lichen]

Yeah ik It’s some silly idea lol

[floral mauve]

a typical thing u add in name

[hoary lichen]

I just realized that all of them have a surname that starts the same

[floral mauve]

but vanderboom and vandermeer are definetely not regular

but van Gogh yes

[ebon aspen]

Does "boom" have a special meaning?
Like, ik that "meer" means lake and prolly hints on dale being connected to rl, but for "boom" i can only imagine aldous or william playing with explosives

[floral mauve]

from the trees

I believe

remember the family tree

Van is from
der is the
boom is tree

[ebon aspen]

Oh i forgot the family symbol

[floral mauve]

mods gotta learn

[ebon aspen]

Sorry my memory just makes its own choices

But is there any other relation for the surname?
I mean, i suppose the symbol came after

[floral mauve]

wdym

I dont get what u are trying to say

[sage token]

gasp
So in Hotel I am birb man. Harvey's really old. How did he shrink into bird form? OH was the crow that I was clicking on to summon Mr Crow really Mr Crow? Can the animal head people transform fully into animals?
gasp again
Like werewolves.

[floral mauve]

I think the name is revealed to be ironic from the devs

just like in anime

Character's names mean their persoanlity

[ebon aspen]

Surnames often are related to some characteristic from the family
And i doubt the vanderbooms only were a bunch of ppl living in the jungle

[floral mauve]

????

I meant the family tree

they are from the seed

of Elixir

basically

not a jungle

there is another way of interpreting it

jungle or forest under the lake

but Vanderboom has nothing to do with it

tbh

[floral mauve]

oh gosh

here we go again

samsara

emmm

[sage token]

I played Samsara and yes I get the reincarnation stuff

[floral mauve]

how about u find out about it by yourself

play theatre

u will understand samsara's meaning in RL universe

and cave would help as well

[ebon aspen]

Theatre for samsara explanations
Cave for some more thoughts on the transformations
And maybe bday to know how harvey "shrank" (its just an easter egg but anyway)

[sage token]

Mayhaps I would like to play games I haven't played before going back and having to do the same old puzzles again

[floral mauve]

yes

thats how a mod should be

great

filled with knowledge

[ebon aspen]

I just dont remember the details

[floral mauve]

dont worry

me and nowhere can handle the rest

if there are more questions

[sage token]

Here's what I remember from Theatre: the lake needs memories to continue existing and..."balance the substance of your past lives". Which again refers to reincarnation.
I was more focused on the balancing act than I was on what was being balanced, if that's where the plot lies.

[floral mauve]

tbh

I think u miss a big part of the Theatre

the last play and fish and parrot

[sage token]

Oh dear

[floral mauve]

they have deeper meanings

[sage token]

I remember feeding the parrot, fish, and plant, or something to that effect

[floral mauve]

actually, perhaps ignore fish and parrot

focus on the last one

when u put the mill colours in order

u are actually sorting out samsara

each play

represent a state of samsara tbh

[sage token]

Oh the wheel! I figured that was like demonstrating the 6 possible outcomes of drinking the elixir. Guess I was wrong. 🤷‍♀️

[floral mauve]

(even though I dont remember which stage does the lady in blue represents)

[floral mauve]

?

I am so scared

ah

I really dont want to start it over again

but nvm

here we go

[sage token]

;-;

[floral mauve]

the 6th time of explaining samsara

but its fine

just listen

[sage token]

I understand. You're a guy, then you're a fish-

just listen
Aight

[floral mauve]

so basically we are living in a world where soul is the only thing that matters

it is going in a loop

called samsara

[sage token]

Uh huh

[floral mauve]

some souls reincarnated into animals

some souls reincarnated into humans

[sage token]

Yes

[floral mauve]

asuras

pretas

naraka

deva

but

it is not randomly distributed

it is depending on what u have done on your previous life

if u commited many crime or behave in a terrible way, u might be animal, preta or even enter naraka

if u did good stuff

u will be human, or promoted into asura, even turn into deva

which is god

thats basically samsara

so

in RL universe

Preta is CS

Fish and parrot are animals

the woman is human

Mr Crow is Asura

no one is known for being naraka or deva yet

but it is assumable that Dale is on his way to be deva

so

[robust birch]

isn't the forest naraka/hell

[floral mauve]

do u understand

[floral mauve]

yes

[robust birch]

no person ig

[floral mauve]

as I said, if someone did somehting really bad

[sage token]

It makes more sense now

[floral mauve]

Asura is like semi god

Deva is god

ok thats enough for today's lesson

[sage token]

So... If Harvey was a bird-head man like Mr Crow in the late 1800s, and he's a "normal" parrot in 1960+, does that mean he died somewhere along the line and just came back as a parrot?

[floral mauve]

yes

many ppl assume that Harvey devolved

from Asura to Animal

he got killed by CS

then revived by Owl

[sage token]

Ah

[floral mauve]

btw, I should give an order for Samsara because it exists

Naraka<Preta<Animal<Human<Asura<Deva

from the most painful suffered ones

to the least suffered ones

[sage token]

mhm

[floral mauve]

thats slightly too much info

but I guess u can understand the RL universe better

with it

[sage token]

So...where does the elixir come in? Does it like...jumpstart the transformation?

[floral mauve]

ah yes

this is my another theory

but

have u played Roots?

[sage token]

Not yet

[floral mauve]

then do so

I dont want to spoil it

[sage token]

Okay then

[floral mauve]

it might be the most story rich game in the series

with so much info

[sage token]

Thanks for the lore lesson!

[floral mauve]

no problem

(I just hope that I can finish my theories project and next time I dont need to explain this again)

btw

I have a fun quesiton

I got obsessed with Gin Tonic after theatre and birthday, and I realised that it is a summer drink, but from both Birthday and Theatre, they arent summer at all

thats just a curious discovery

I have no particular theory behind it but u guys can have some approaches

[ebon aspen]

Ig you can drink drinks whenever you want XD

But cool info anyway

[floral mauve]

bruh

I mean u are right

Dale's grandpa is kinda weird in Birthday

he likes ice alcohol in winter

[floral mauve]

(If we assume he exists in the first place)

which I highly doubt

[ebon aspen]

Do harv wallbanger and bloody mary have a specific time to drink them too?
I never thought such stuff were actual things

[floral mauve]

lmao

Bloody mary is a real thing

[ebon aspen]

I doubt the devs put them thinking about summer/winter, but who knows

[floral mauve]

made from a mixture of vegies I belive?

[ebon aspen]

No no, i mean the summer stuff lol

[floral mauve]

oh

Then I have no idea

I only obsessed with Gin Tonic

[floral mauve]

if they think of having snow and making ice

they must thought of it

in Birthday

but its fine

its not a big deal

[late canyon]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Wallbanger

[floral mauve]

just curious detail

[floral mauve]

lmao

I believe this looks like another summer drink

[ebon aspen]

I really would like to think the gin tonic was a way to relate gramps with aldous, but tbh i feel its just a common drink and the devs would put smth else to make sure

[floral mauve]

I didnt say it isnt a way

[ebon aspen]

Ye ye ik, just stating my thoughts on drinks

[floral mauve]

I am just thinking that Grandpa doesnt exist in the first place

[ebon aspen]

Like, fake memos?

[floral mauve]

Aldous was just there to observe Dale

like in Paradox

Grandpa never shows up

not in the minigame

or in the past mind

He might be dead way before that night

of Rabbit

Memories are biased

[floral mauve]

so yes

dis

[ebon aspen]

Hmm thats true
So, aldous would be (poorly) disguised as gramps on bday, meaning he can literally enter dale's memories with him
Or just a projection of some kind

Interesting

[floral mauve]

I think it’s projection since he must be risk free

[frozen pier]

I'm gonna play mill next

i want to follow the order

[azure bay]

which one :з

[frozen pier]

rn both your order and the order in resources are the same

except for arles

but i played arles before you gave me your order tho :c

the next in both timelines is the mill

[slow ridge]

Talking about Mr. Crow.. in the Cave he appears as a human and has to drink the Elixir (I mean, the wrong elixir) in order to get his Asura form temporarily.. so is he debilitated like Mr. Owl? Because I don't find a reason for that really..

[azure bay]

a reason for what?

[slow ridge]

For he being debilitated

Amazing English

[azure bay]

Exclusively for Crow?

or Owl as well?

[slow ridge]

I understand why Mr. Owl might be debilitated, but not why Mr. Crow

[azure bay]

Before I share my thoughts could you please explain Owl's state?

[slow ridge]

Theories, of course. Maybe in 1894, in the Hotel, the souls break free, they attack Mr. Owl, but they don't kill him like Harvey, because he is way more "powerful" so they just manage to debilitate Mr. Owl

[azure bay]

My explanation is elixir's effects wearing off

[slow ridge]

Ah, maybe maybe

[azure bay]

I even seem to know a mechanism of that

[slow ridge]

Could you tell me please?

[azure bay]

elixir gives true immortality as long as its particles are inside one's body in sufficient quantity

but with time they leave it via defecation

exactly because of that The Cave extract is possible

elixir particles leave the Dog's body

& they reconsume them

[slow ridge]

Ohh the dog drank the elixir in Roots!

I've forgot that detail

[frozen pier]

@azure bay ive played the mill and im gonna follow your timeline and play roots next

the official timeline says i should play birthday but im a baddie

[azure bay]

it's not timeline. Just playthrough order

[frozen pier]

oh yes that

[azure bay]

What did you learn so far?

[covert wyvern]

Lmao the recommended play order I believe is in chronological order of released

It's fine to deviate from that

[frozen pier]

oooh

okay so what i saw from playing the mill

mr crow was once a human

that lived in the mill with presumably his wife?

that lady we feed

and also thanks to the letters we know mr owl commands him to steal other's memories and put those in the lake

i think

[azure bay]

(she was called his wife in synopsis on instagram)

[frozen pier]

ooooh

now im wondering why do they need the memories of people

the cubes

what are they

memories??

essence???

[floral mauve]

I would rather call it extraction rather than steal

But who cares

[frozen pier]

hmmm

[floral mauve]

Memories

[floral mauve]

In the letter it said that lake needs to be balanced

Using fresh memories

[frozen pier]

ooh

[azure bay]

it was also implied back in Seasons. When the game asks to pick your memory you technically tap on cubes

[frozen pier]

youre right

[azure bay]

anyway

go on

@frozen pier because for me The Mill became a huge revelation that answered a ton of previously asked questions

[frozen pier]

it didnt for me actually

LOL

[azure bay]

well

[frozen pier]

like

it was so weird

[azure bay]

for example, it explained how Laura became corrupted

[frozen pier]

OH????

[azure bay]

and also show who was behind her body being taken from under Dale's nose

and who he spoke to while calling Rusty Lake

[floral mauve]

And how did Dale come to the Lake

[azure bay]

Who's behind all of that in general

[frozen pier]

mr crow?

[azure bay]

and Mr. Owl

[frozen pier]

and also when mr owl

was like

levitating the detective's body

nvm i got in a match oopsie

[azure bay]

@frozen pier and what can you say about Hotel?

[frozen pier]

well

hotel was weird

very

i have NO clue why we killed the guests

but i do know its the detective the one that kills them

and also again, i theorise ms pigeon was experimenting on harvey from harveys box

[sage token]

You don't mean Dale, do you?

[nocturne yarrow]

nah it’s confirmed that Harvey was the one you play as in hotel

[frozen pier]

WHAT

WHAT THE FUCK

I

[nocturne yarrow]

yep

confirmed by Mr. Owl’s dialogue when you get all the room keys in the right spots, and by a flashback in CE:Birthday.

[azure bay]

I think the goal was getting a future cube

The white one we focus on at in the ending

[frozen pier]

oh

[floral mauve]

thats very strange isnt it

cubes should be about memories

that cube can be the memories of a future mind

[manic brook]

is there anything to be said about how flies/moths crowd peoples eyes to represent corrupted souls?

[azure bay]

I'm not evaluating here what's strange & what's normal by IRL standarts. That's just the given reality of that universe

A part of its cosmos

[sonic badge]

Is rusty lake a mental asylum?

I've seen clues in cube escape case 23

[azure bay]

there are many things RL branded

mental health institute is one of them

however, we're yet to see it in action

[royal notch]

I think that the hotel could be a mental health centre just for covering its real clients.

[azure bay]

I think it's likely

we need just to witness that

[floral mauve]

HOLD UP GUYS

I discovered something

from a RL article

so, in one level of roots u can see hotel using spyglass

and u can see five guests

this happened in 1870

[azure bay]

just a random fact or you are leading us to some conclusion?

[floral mauve]

I just looked up

to confirm

so

hotel happened in 1893

that means guests

have been there

not only once

[floral mauve]

some conclusion

[azure bay]

people think I'm crazy but I have doubts about this one

I have 2 problems with it

[floral mauve]

tell me ur doubts

[azure bay]

1. The puzzle they are used in makes no sense outside gameplay
2. this visit contradicts Owl's letter to Boar

the alternative conclusions are worse however

"just for the puzzle sake" is anticlimactic

"visions from the future" is crazy

[floral mauve]

thats why it needs theorists!

we gotta find some explanations

[azure bay]

logic: if the scene is real, therefore the letter is fake

[floral mauve]

it can be explained in Pheasant and Rabbit's case

since they are performers

maybe Mr Deer as well, since he is into alcohol

and water of the lake

intrigues him

[azure bay]

his research could take multiple years

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

so does Pigeon's

[floral mauve]

yes

we have Boar left

emmmm

[azure bay]

the only problem is the letter

like Owl introduces to him the hotel

and its mental health services

[floral mauve]

yes

or

we can explain it as

Boar has mental problems

he cant remember stuff

drug issues

[azure bay]

I'd expect him being way more skinny in that case

and also lose his post

[floral mauve]

emmmm

[floral mauve]

thats debatable

since eating disorder

is not only anorexia

he might eat a lot to release stress

plus

thats pretty common among ppl in his position

[azure bay]

memory issues wouldn't let him do his job

[floral mauve]

I just suggested it in a way

maybe it wasnt affecting him that much

until 1890s

its like dementia

gradually

[azure bay]

meanwhile it's getting more & more far-fetched

[floral mauve]

I know

because its hard

to put it up

[azure bay]

I'd prefer the letter being 20 yo

[floral mauve]

I blame the devs for this

[azure bay]

and exist there just for exposition sake

[floral mauve]

smart choice

thats is likely

[sage token]

I have a question

[floral mauve]

maybe the rooms are for them on a regular basis

thats why it has each room has its own equipments fixed?

[azure bay]

I don't think the devs were thinking it through that deep

[floral mauve]

thats why it puts more work on us

but I thought the time should match up when they release it

I tend to believe that the scene they show in Roots is the time in hotel

[sage token]

Rabbit dies in Hotel. So how did he go to Dale's party?
Also he changed color. But the white rabbit was visible through the window while the brown one was alive. And when we looked into the glass cases with cubes and corrupted souls, the white rabbit appeared. So is the white version Mr Rabbit's corrupted soul?
Also, he was a magician in Paradox, but there was no way for Dale to know that he was a magician based on the events in Birthday. This, I think, strengthens my case that the Paradox fever dream/simulation was affected by more than just Dale.

[floral mauve]

Nowhere has a dedicated theory for this

wait for it

he said Rabbit or D.E is becoming more alive

after the Asura death

or CS form

anyway @azure bay u can take it over

[azure bay]

I'll start with the magician part rather being a retcon

btw, credibility of Birthday game isn't as high as you think

it's a memory altered from the beginning by Owl

starting with the white rabbit

there are 2 explanations in the community

1. a twin
2. time travel

[floral mauve]

basically, two rabbits or one rabbit

[azure bay]

the 1st has no explanation somewhat coherent with the lore

souls aren't meant to split, neither cloning was established and also that couldn't be a random stranger

I theorize that Rabbit's CS has started its own journey to the rebirth

pretty much similar to the Dale's one

just different in details

he also travels through time & balances the substance of his past lives

it was also mentioned in his note to Dale

the problem is, rabbit in bday doesn't look that much like a CS

however, Asura wouldn't be willing to "escape his state" that much. Human also likely wouldn't + he's taken a name of a guy that would've died 100 year before

CS, however, would gladly be resurrected, following the example of William & Laura

there are also writings on the chest meaning CS in 2 languages

and a silhouette outside the window looks pretty much corrupted

returning to Rabbit's look

it was already different in the Hotel easter egg while the magician was still alive

it had whiskers unlike its counterpart in Owl's autoclave

so I assume that during its journey it was gradually regaining its body

and its mind

that's it

_ _
_ _
I seem to make everyone fall asleep

[sage token]

Oh

[bronze prism]

I read everything and-

Asuras are THAT powerful

[azure bay]

what exactly are you referring to?

[bronze prism]

I'm asking if the asura stage is so good no one want to leave

What exactly they do??

[azure bay]

according to the mythology, they are demigods

with superhuman powers

[bronze prism]

O

Like super strength?

spooky levitations maybe

[azure bay]

in RL they are seemingly long living

and people like Eilanders or the alchemist bros want to be like them

we don't know much about them

[bronze prism]

Oo

[azure bay]

we know a lot about Owl & Crow but their abilities could also be due to their service to the lake rather than their samsara stage

so it stays unclear

[bronze prism]

Hm

They are lake employees

I didn't knew that

What is laura

Just another Corrupted Soul?

[azure bay]

they would be if the lake would pay them :з

[azure bay]

I don't think her CS is a big deal

her memories are

[bronze prism]

So they do for free???

O m g

This whole thing happening in RL while the other people can't have long live 😔

[sage token]

Do what for free...?

[bronze prism]

Work

They work for free

Idk how to call it

[covert wyvern]

I think it's safe to assume they have some income (even if that's just running the hotle / fishing / mental health services)

[bronze prism]

Mental health-

[covert wyvern]

also succesful alchemists so they could just be transmuting the cash? LMAO

[bronze prism]

Anyone every get cured in RL?

[azure bay]

I rather tend to see it as performing Special Containment Procedures & using anomalous properties for that sake

[bronze prism]

Hmmm

This remember me of scp

Thaumiel

[azure bay]

ok, the reference wasn't obvious enough...

now it's better

[covert wyvern]

Thaumiel is an object class within the SCP universe anywya,

or wait I might just have read all of this wrong

ignore me lmao.

[bronze prism]

Thaumiel is a anomalous object that can contain/help to contain other anomalies

So (back to RL) is Laura what

¿Human?

Just a normal gorl with some bad memories

[azure bay]

according to the recent devs' reveal, she's the lady of the lake whatever that means

just like Caroline

she was also heck a big deal in her past life

and her memories of that at least partly define her importance for Owl

[bronze prism]

Hm

Wow 😀 I'm so confused

[azure bay]

have you played Roots?

[bronze prism]

Ye

[azure bay]

then you should know that she used to be William Vanderboom in her past life

and in The Cave it was implied that his memories of creating elixir became a crucial part of the golden cube

which, I'm sure, is a new form of that elixir

[bronze prism]

Yeah

Wow

Then Dale have the elixir???? THIS IS CONFUSING ME

I CAME BECAUSE I LIKE THE CHARACTERS 😭

[azure bay]

what's so confusing about Dale having elixir?

he's to take Owl's place after all

[bronze prism]

Waht

Oh yes yes

So OWL is gonna DIE??

[covert wyvern]

likely!

[azure bay]

no one is immortal in samsara

[bronze prism]

Is Mr crow dyieng too 😭 ?

[bronze prism]

Who's imortal

[azure bay]

no one

even gods die

at least originally at least according to some theological schools

[floral mauve]

this is the part I have question of, is the effect of prolonged life apart of the Asura or the effect of Elixir

[floral mauve]

if u observe their appearance 200 years ago and in The Cave, they still age

just slowly

[floral mauve]

according to the dog

it is the effect of Elixir

rather than....Asura stage

I tend to see other powers such as teleport and magic stuff as apart of the Asura power

[bronze prism]

Ye me 2

[floral mauve]

However, it is true that the life expectancy might increase in Asura form

So i have another approach

Since the Elixir they consumed arent perfect

still artificial

which means they cant maintain a long time in Asura form gradually after hundreds of years

therefore, they age during the gap

[floral mauve]

when they return back in human stages

but it slightly contradict with the previous Elixir theory part

I just had another thought

that may prove my Elixir theory

[floral mauve]

The appearance of Jakob has aged significantly whereas Aldous seems to be maintained in a good way

Nevertheless,

Aldous drunk it after Jakob

so

fuck

[slow ridge]

Can we just talk about that Harvey has 185 years or even more and that it's the oldest known character? Damn birdie

[azure bay]

I think it's about 22000 yo

@slow ridge at least if we ignore 2 expected rebirths

[nocturne yarrow]

Where’s you get that from? Did Harvey show up in that wooly mammoth picture or something?

[azure bay]

I just expect her to show up in that game since the devs recently declaired Harvey ancient

[covert wyvern]

Ye I wouldn't b surprised either^

[floral mauve]

it

I just want to step away from the controversy

[azure bay]

???

[floral mauve]

the damn parrot gender

[azure bay]

I'm a simple person. I see a bird laying eggs, It's female. I see a bird wearing a man costume in 19th century, it's male

[floral mauve]

Ok

fair enough

but

since its a bird

it is it

[azure bay]

from a linguistic pov, yes

[floral mauve]

yes