🤔｜theories

[bronze prism]

Aldous doesn't appear after that so

Oh no he does in case 23/mill

He didn't died? He's imortal

[floral mauve]

pls think

in a rational and logical way

[bronze prism]

Why

[floral mauve]

they are not immortal

yet

[bronze prism]

Well mr. Owl and mr. Crow are

And the dog too lol

[floral mauve]

Asura is not

plus

the elixir

[bronze prism]

Who's asura🥲

[floral mauve]

prolong life

is not permanent

[floral mauve]

samsara

[bronze prism]

Oh yes, you need a dose sometimes

[real lantern]

They are not imortal, thats why they have to keep drinking the elixir

[bronze prism]

Yeah forgot that

HEY

[floral mauve]

also, I doubt they are free from damage

[bronze prism]

Who's the crow CS in roots!?

[floral mauve]

?

[bronze prism]

In the lying game

The crow shaped corrupted soul

Is he mr. Crow?

[floral mauve]

show me

[bronze prism]

The CS that deliver the deer mask to Albert

It's a crow CS

The only one in RL

Is he Mr. Crow?

[floral mauve]

ah yes

I saw it

now

[ebon aspen]

There are theories that say that guys is another mr random bird and stuff
Personally i think that soul is indeed aldous', but is smth like he cant control his samsara states and fluctuates between them

Since he just drank the elixir when roots take place

[bronze prism]

Hm

Wait he didn't drink while roots

[floral mauve]

There is no evidence yet saying that Elixir can make u switch to corrupted state while also been enlightened?

[bronze prism]

He drank before James arrived!

[floral mauve]

He just drunk

[bronze prism]

No, wait

He drank before James arrived

And stayed without the elixir until the cave

I think mr. Crow is that CS

[floral mauve]

why

[bronze prism]

In cave he was desperate for that elixir

Maybe he was starting to age and lose his mind?

[floral mauve]

reasoning and result

[ebon aspen]

I mean, aldous is a messed up guy, the elixir could make him enter another stage but still make he get corrupted sometimes

[bronze prism]

I think the lack of elixir would make him like this

[floral mauve]

wdym messed up

[floral mauve]

no, it will make them aging

simply

[bronze prism]

No, if you age too much you die

[floral mauve]

and return back to human stage

[bronze prism]

Afraid of dying????

[floral mauve]

not able to maintain Asura stage for a long time

[bronze prism]

Anyone would lose mind

[floral mauve]

exactly

thats why he has to drink

Elixir constantly

you are continuously assuming that he will lose his mind

but Aldous is a quite chill person

[bronze prism]

Idk, I don't think so

[floral mauve]

why

his lines

[ebon aspen]

Umm... ig its pretty straight forward considering its aldous we are talking about XD
But basically aldous is a type of guy that could easily be corrupted, and since no stage is permanent (except for the mega mega enlightened one ig) turning into a cs and soon after being an asura and be able to switch into a human again is very possible for me

[floral mauve]

show that he is quite chill

[bronze prism]

Calling his kids miserable

Corrupting laura

Calling his own grandchild a devil

😈

[floral mauve]

his kids?

[bronze prism]

His grand kid

[floral mauve]

stop using your own argument to explain your argument

u need more neutral evidence

[bronze prism]

Well, why do YOU think he's chill

Like

No

[floral mauve]

because in The mill

and also

you know what to do

and in the theatre

[bronze prism]

Hey, the mill!

He has a CS voice

[floral mauve]

yes

[bronze prism]

In the phone with Dale

[bronze prism]

Then he is CS

[floral mauve]

well

according to what we see in Dale's aspect

he is not

[bronze prism]

Aldous without elixir = afraid of death = CS then

[floral mauve]

?

I dont see why they linked together

[bronze prism]

He and Owl are desperate for the elixir

[floral mauve]

not really

[bronze prism]

If I put you in a pool and close the lid

[floral mauve]

they accepted that they are running out of time

[floral mauve]

Owl said that in the cave

[bronze prism]

You know you will die, I don't think you will stay chill till you die

[floral mauve]

i will for me but thats off the topic

[bronze prism]

But it was Owl who stayed still until 2000 in white door

[floral mauve]

?

[royal notch]

Their real needing is a new Governant of the Lake.

[floral mauve]

where does 2000 comes. from

[royal notch]

Not the elixir.

[bronze prism]

The White door

[floral mauve]

TWD happened in 1970s

[bronze prism]

No?

[floral mauve]

yes

[bronze prism]

What

Wait a second

[floral mauve]

Bob was there

[covert wyvern]

yes this checks out^

[floral mauve]

yes

agree

[bronze prism]

Oh yeah 70s

[floral mauve]

and possibly a person with more strength since they realised Asuras cant control the lake

thats why golden cube deva

[bronze prism]

What are asuras 😭

[floral mauve]

enlightened humans

Animal head human

Asura

semi god

[bronze prism]

Oh ok

[bronze prism]

Hmmmm

Mr. Crow is a semi god

Harvey is a semi god

[floral mauve]

yes

[bronze prism]

Was* RIP Harvey

[floral mauve]

its simply a stage of your soul

[bronze prism]

Mr. Bat and the hotel guests?

[floral mauve]

yes

[bronze prism]

Mr. Toad? What happened to him

[floral mauve]

they are all enlightened in one way or another

[bronze prism]

Wow

Asura nice

[floral mauve]

devs said Mr Bat and Mr Toad were human

[bronze prism]

Hmmm

Noice

[astral frost]

did you watch TPW trailer?

[uneven flicker]

yep!

[astral frost]

don't know if you noticed this

||it says "TWD device"||

at least a person in TWD staff

we know that doctors in The White Door used to study memories

yes

staff, I think

and maybe not everyone

I think only the most important doctors in the facility knew all the memories stuff so deeply

It seems that someone in TWD is trying to collect infos about Albert

yes

killed by Frank

right

ye ye

it's possible

in the last game, they were collecting infos about Laura by taking advantage of Bob

and Laura has always been one of the main focuses of Mr Owl's research

I really hope that Theo Hoorn will be someway involved

since his death is one of the big themes unexplained

[astral frost]

in TWD

I do not remember very well

but I always thought of Theo's death as an intentional murder by TWD staff

now the things could change

[astral frost]

another little detail, the book by Theo Hoorn "Neuroimaging of a Corrupted Soul"

so TWD staff was aware about all the Samsara stuff

[hoary lichen]

Wait are y’all talking about Vincent Van Gogh’s Theo or is there another one I’m so lost lmao

[astral frost]

Van Gogh?

[hoary lichen]

Theo Van Gogh

[hexed bough]

vincent's brother ig

[astral frost]

ooooh didn't know sry

[hoary lichen]

I tried using the search function to see when you guys started saying the name and I think I saw someone talk about another character with the same name so I got confused

[astral frost]

no no I was talking about Theo Hoorn

a doctor in The White Door facility

[hoary lichen]

Ohhhh

Idk much about the white door I mentally skipped that game

[astral frost]

ahahaha

if you're interested in the whole story you should play it

[hoary lichen]

I did play it

[astral frost]

oh ok

[hoary lichen]

I skipped it mentally

[astral frost]

ok ok got it

[floral mauve]

remember

we sort of extracted the brain of Albert

which is possible that Owl managed to trace it back from the tree?

then use it to observe the memories by using TWD machine

[floral mauve]

or maybe not the entire brain was sacrificed

?

the sacrifice in Roots is not Elixir I believe

its more of 'reincarnation of a selected soul'

[royal notch]

I think every sacrifice was fully needed for Laura's birth. But it would be interesting seeing how Albert can be related to the Institute. I'm so hyped, it could explain what's going on at the White Door (it's the only game where i haven't understood a shit)!

[manic brook]

Do you wanna talk about what happened in white door?

[uneven flicker]

I felt like the whole Vanderboom family is like the DNA iself of Laura Vanderboom. 🤔👀

[royal notch]

Well, technically, it is, but "technically" doesn't exist in Rusty Lake!

[royal notch]

I'm sorry, i have to go now, maybe another time!

[floral mauve]

You are talking about DNA on a girl that legit born from a damn tree

[floral mauve]

fully needed is an vague concept

you can sacrifice 3/4 of the brain just like you can donate 1 teeth or 2

but let it be

[floral mauve]

I also need someone to explain the plot of the arg part of the TWD

I am too lazy to read an entire TWD website and study that many ppl's name

[uneven flicker]

it's called metaphor😎

[floral mauve]

Wrong metaphor subject then

but whatever

[uneven flicker]

lol 🤣 but think about that: 10 sacrifices were prepared only for her

[floral mauve]

and she died

again

task failed successfully

[uneven flicker]

relax, she's THE REBORN MIND remember?

she'll be reborn, not yet, but in the futurie

[floral mauve]

perhaps

[uneven flicker]

that's all i can think for now

[floral mauve]

depends on Dale

I guess

[uneven flicker]

yeah clearly

[azure bay]

You not knowing them doesn't mean they don't exist

We know he is

[azure bay]

Corrupted souls don't manifest so easily unless you die or get depressed. Aldous seems to be neither of this

So it's either not Aldous at all or his future-self.

[azure bay]

Or he has just his mouth sewed

Ah yeah, also that. But neither that I can imagine happening to Crow

[bronze prism]

Oh yessss

[azure bay]

1. Grandpa has a bit different look from Aldous. His skin tone is lighter than any manifestation of Crow's human form. He also got more hair than Aldous ever had.
2. Grandpa is absent in Dale's past mind in Paradox
3. Dale didn't recognise him in Case 23

Talking about the old lady of The Mill, she'd be a lot younger in 1939. Maybe even too young to be Dale's grandma

Returning to grandpa, even if he IS Crow, Dale may or may not be related to Vanderbooms

The thing is, Dale's memories are altered from the start.

There was likely no Owl's present originally, for example

Grandpa could be also fake in the very same way

Just Aldous in disguise overseeing Dale facing his past

Or, yeah, just an asset reuse

[bronze prism]

Grandpa is bald

[bronze prism]

Maybe she's an asura?

We have no fact to prove that, so for now she's not asura

[azure bay]

What a lack of attention to details.
He's bald except for hair behind ears. Whyle Aldous was always completely bald. Even in his relatively younger age.

[azure bay]

Yeah, we'd know if she were

[azure bay]

She is, according to a CEC synopsis on Instagram. Yet he's likely to marry her after 1939.

[floral mauve]

@azure bay thx for defending my ideas

[azure bay]

Which ones?

[floral mauve]

all of them

such as Crow is not a CS

and Dale's memories are biased in Birthday and Theatre in CE

[azure bay]

You don't have to thank me. Some of these ideas I support some of them I just admit. I'm here mostly to describe the alternatives & make people consider them

[floral mauve]

However

there is one part that makes me question myself

how can we explain the CS in roots that gives Albert the deer mask

Crow shaped CS

[late canyon]

I don't even think it is crow shaped, the head is more round at the top

[floral mauve]

According to the information we have

There is not much options

Bird cs

[late canyon]

Also, when we see it in full through the Telescope, it has a skirt on, so maybe it's a woman

[hoary lichen]

Omg

[floral mauve]

?

what

[hoary lichen]

Pheasant O:

[hoary lichen]

They seem kinda

Short

Ik this is a stretch but uhh

[floral mauve]

Crow isnt tall

[hoary lichen]

The bird in Ms Pigeon’s electro shock thing?

Lmao just a thought just a thought

[floral mauve]

why though

[hoary lichen]

Idk

[floral mauve]

bruh

[hoary lichen]

The first thing that came to mind

But yeah it could be Mr Crow

[floral mauve]

@azure bay enlighten us

[hoary lichen]

I doubt unnamed guinea pig bird is in cahoots with albert

[covert wyvern]

huh wheres the screenshot form?

roots?

[floral mauve]

yeah

[covert wyvern]

Neat.

[hoary lichen]

What DID happen to the bird in Ms Pigeon’s room actually

Now that’s a good question

[floral mauve]

left or killed

[covert wyvern]

well you free it don't you?

[azure bay]

So do all the quests

[covert wyvern]

im assuming it just sorta vibes. lmao.

[floral mauve]

where did u see this

[late canyon]

In roots, when Albert's Masks change the Weather, we see the bird CS in full through the Teleskope, presenting symbols

[floral mauve]

emmmm

let me find it

omg

u are true

damn

Gonna simp for her

[azure bay]

It could be a trap

[floral mauve]

Interesting

[late canyon]

I thought mayyyybe she's Caroline

[floral mauve]

even better but thats off the topic

[covert wyvern]

please keep the server chat pg 😉

[floral mauve]

I know

[covert wyvern]

I actually like this as an idea.

[azure bay]

Nah. Caroline had no beak

[hoary lichen]

Well due to the proportions I’d say if anything she could be Ms Pheasant although it doesn’t look like the cs in Hotel

[floral mauve]

Caroline didnt die in Asura form didnt she?

[hoary lichen]

But it does look like regular Pheasant a bit

[late canyon]

Nope

[floral mauve]

pheasant has a weird head

in CS form

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

[covert wyvern]

Caroline was sacrificed for Owl to exist if I remember the end of paradise correctly, if that happens to me I'd haunt anyone whod cojme near the lake

LMAO

[azure bay]

That can't be pheasant redesign

[hoary lichen]

I said regular 🤬🤬

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

True

[floral mauve]

how am I suppose to know ur definition of regular

bruh

[hoary lichen]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[floral mauve]

maybe

[hoary lichen]

But yeah idk who they could be

[floral mauve]

Crow just suddenly wants to dress up in a nice way

[hoary lichen]

Maybe

[floral mauve]

fan art ideas

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

but it would be slightly cursed

[hoary lichen]

Did anyone ever figure out who the cs in Box was?

And why it had wings of all things

[floral mauve]

many ppl say it was Pigeon

I found it quite convincing

but I am sure nowhere has counter argument since he has it for everything

[hoary lichen]

Hm

[azure bay]

It just doesn't look like pigeon that much

[floral mauve]

certainly

[azure bay]

However there's a way via Mr. Deer

[covert wyvern]

I personally think its Laura they just didn't settle on a Corrupted soul design while making box

[azure bay]

I'd like it to be just a random CS

[floral mauve]

a random CS near the lake with wings

damn

what a coincidence

[azure bay]

Why not?

Laura caught out one

[floral mauve]

fish expert

The lake is a base of CS

thats some zombie movie sh*t

dont go out alone

[azure bay]

I've got somewhat similar idea after reading Owl's letter for the 1st time

Without knowing about the guests

[floral mauve]

There are two possible stuff comes into my mind

1. All of the CS are attracted to the Lake one way or another
2. Lake is good for CS to ease their pain of existence

[azure bay]

Or these are just local CS

[floral mauve]

bruh

maybe

since according to samsara

they are

hungry ghosts are not rare in human habitats

humans just cant see them

[covert wyvern]

I mean this seems likely the lake's probably filled with them

[azure bay]

Unfortunately we don't see many

[floral mauve]

maybe we are humans (jk)

lol

[azure bay]

Just 5 of them In The Cave

[floral mauve]

since when do 5 seem to be a little number despite the fact that there isnt a significant population near the lake

if there are 20 or 30 of them, then my theories will be sort of true

[azure bay]

I mean

In The Cave where the whole lake is ours to explore we meet just the guests

[floral mauve]

not all of the CS are in the lake I guess

or maybe only 5 of them were that aggressive

since they were brutally murdered by the hotel employee

other ones might calm down and decided not to bother ppl

[azure bay]

You seem not to get me

In The Cave just Boar was agressive towards Crow

All the others were just in the background

But their presence was strong

[floral mauve]

well, in the puzzle of Jakob in the diving exploration

they seem to be all agressive

[azure bay]

You mean Dale?

[floral mauve]

no

there was a puzzle in cave

[azure bay]

Dale

[floral mauve]

about Jakob diving

across 5 CS

[azure bay]

It's Dale

[floral mauve]

oh

?

Yah

I remembered

sorry

[late canyon]

Jacob dived, Dale walked

[floral mauve]

idk

I only played Cave once

didnt remember many details

[azure bay]

The Cave is pretty lore heavy

[late canyon]

Jacob went to the respective cubes, so Dale could Pass the CS

[hoary lichen]

I still wanna know what that weird shadow figure is that appears when you turn

Like there’s a bat shadow and then some human shadow

So weird

[azure bay]

In The Cave trailer it was a reference to the cave metaphor of Plato

[hoary lichen]

O:

Ohhhhhhh

Thanks lmao I was wondering what it was

[late canyon]

I should watch some Trailers it seems

[azure bay]

You know that ancient philosophical analogy?

[hoary lichen]

Yeah

About the people staying in the cave not knowing the outside and stuff

[azure bay]

My respect

[late canyon]

I was taught this Stoff at school

[azure bay]

May I ask what country that was?

[late canyon]

Germany

[azure bay]

Good for Germans, I guess

[late canyon]

New TPW theory:
The device the woman Sees contains a cube, which the Man Sees from the inside
(Should I rather post this in TPW though?)

[covert wyvern]

uhhh nah it's a theory here's fine

TPW would be abpout things we know, which is very little at this time!

[late canyon]

Never too little to speculate

[covert wyvern]

that I agree with!

[bronze prism]

Sorry but I'm not playing while talking :I

[bronze prism]

Hmm right

Then he's not?

[azure bay]

Here's a twist

We don't know °ω°

[bronze prism]

0-0

[high talon]

Hey sorry to stop this convo but i have a question that came to mind just now.

Do you all think corrupted soul's can ""bleed""?

[azure bay]

I personally wouldn't like him to. But if we get a piece of evidence strong enough, I'll put my wishes away

[bronze prism]

Corrupted souls bleed?

I only saw CS blood in CE lake

[azure bay]

Normally not. Yet I think if Rabbit is a CS during Bday he isn't a regular one.

[high talon]

I see thanks

Apologies i derailed the convo btw.XD

[bronze prism]

Oh yeah, rabbit too

But it was a distorted memory

[azure bay]

Don't worry about that. I wouldn't even mind further elaborating

[bronze prism]

I don't think an asura would come to kill them

[azure bay]

I don't think an asura would have such a will to "escape their state"

[bronze prism]

How many CS blood do we have?

[azure bay]

None confirmed

[bronze prism]

Lake isn't confirmed?

[azure bay]

The body in The Lake could act like Laura: a corpse hiding a CS

[bronze prism]

Like memories

Ohhhh

[bronze prism]

And bob

Right?

And half dale in Paradox

[azure bay]

Maybe. Maybe not

It's hard to classify soft worldbuilding

[bronze prism]

Hmmmm

Right right

[azure bay]

(yet I try my best)

[bronze prism]

Where is the asura part

In samsara

[azure bay]

You mean the respective wheel segment?

[bronze prism]

Yes

[azure bay]

In bhavacakra depictions it's either to the right or to the left from the top one. Always against humans.
In Theatre & The Cave it's to the right. In Paradise-Paradox it's debatable

[bronze prism]

🥲 What

I will go to samsara and get it by myself 🥲

Try at least

What's bankadrava

[bronze prism]

Ohhhh ok

Oh I remember this

[bronze prism]

Waaaaa

The wheel is everywhere

I remember those

[azure bay]

Technically, in 4 games. And reffered to in Roots

[bronze prism]

Ok so, mystery, human, fish, tree, CS, asura

Have no idea

What does the fish represent

[azure bay]

Deva, human, animal, "hell", preta, asura

[bronze prism]

Oh nice

Is there a full theory about this

Like one of those chunks of words

In reddit, Google

[azure bay]

It certainly is somewhere

I just know nothing in english yet

What exactly are you interested in?

What do you expect to find?

[bronze prism]

The wheel explanation

[bronze prism]

If it's in: portuguese, spanish or Italian it's fine for me

Spanish is hard but I can read and understand

[azure bay]

In mythology or in RL?

[bronze prism]

RL

Or both

I like this wheel content, finally something is still new for me in RL

[azure bay]

In mythology all the souls are being constantly reborn in one form ore another depending on their karma. Yet every form suffers in one way or another.

The way to stop this constant suffering is to find enlightenment & leave samsara

[bronze prism]

Or just being good

[azure bay]

No

Only by spiritual groth

[bronze prism]

Hmmmm

[azure bay]

Which may include good deeds

[bronze prism]

Oh, got it

Wow I understand 🥲

[azure bay]

Devas are gods who suffer because their long & luxurious lives will eventually end.

Asuras are demigods or demons who suffer because of jealousy of devas' lifestyle & are usually in war with them

Animals suffer because they are in constant fear and survival.

Pretas are ghosts who's unable to be reborn for a while. They suffer because of hunger they can't fulfil due to their physiological build

Narakas are hell realms where souls of the evilest sinners are tortured

Dale is to becone a deva.

Asuras are all or almost all the hybrids. Yet they don't seem to battle devas.

CS don't seem to be actually hungry but they tend to pursue rebirth.

The naraka forest seems to be at the lake bottom yet souls don't seem trapped there.
Another thing is, the lake itself is alive & has it's own will

The rules of rebirths seem altered for RL

Maybe there is karma or its analogue but most of rebirths we see are due to rituals & other unnatural causes

And enlightenment seems to be altered as well

We don't speak of leaving samsara anymore but being reborn as asura or deva

Assuming that enlightenment is a goal in SR, any samsara promotion could be seen as enlightenment now

[floral mauve]

yes

[floral mauve]

hungry is just metaphor I believe

they are in pain due to greedyness

greedy can be seen as constant hungry

[floral mauve]

I doubt

there is no goal in samsara

just infinite rebirth and death cycle

[floral mauve]

but there is a level of suffering tbh, deva suffer the least

[azure bay]

If you are speaking of the original concept, it's pretty literal, as far as I know. They can't eat enough due to their throats being thin as hell

[floral mauve]

naraka is legit hell which is the most painful one

[floral mauve]

yes

[floral mauve]

thats why there is a level of promotion for the soul

aka

enlightenment

but in RL universe, they seem to call the promotion of Human to Asura as enlightenment only

[azure bay]

Then I suggest you explaining why William asks for enlightenment in SR & owl tells him the very same thing

[floral mauve]

u mean William emmm

but he didnt get enlightened didnt he

also

there is one part I need your help to understand

[azure bay]

Depends on what is enlightenment

[floral mauve]

according to roots, we play as William CS, and in the ending of roots, we basically reborned on the child

However, I thought the SR happens in the same time but in a different dimension about becoming the reborn child

that contradicts with each other isnt it

how can there be two soul of William at the same time

[azure bay]

It could be just his perspective

[floral mauve]

does that mean, he can go to the SR whenever he want?

plus, there is also another interesting part I found

I thought the soul should be pure soul form in the samsara form

but it turned out that he was in CS form

does that mean all of the CS can go to samara´s room

wtf

this is the part I found really unexplainable

[azure bay]

I assume that samsara room is a metaphysical location than anyone visits during rebirth

[floral mauve]

I know

but

he travels between reality and the room during roots

thats not normal

[azure bay]

Does he?

[floral mauve]

you just told me his own perspective

my doubt is simple

how can he be in roots and SR in the same time

[azure bay]

I meant that it was what he saw

[floral mauve]

its like a person in coma both in a dream and outside his body in spiritual form

wanted to wake up

I doubt if there is a split up

of soul

if this concept exists

[azure bay]

I don't really understand your problem here

[floral mauve]

?

which part u dont

[azure bay]

Why the split?

[floral mauve]

how can William both in the reborn process and also the person who is preparing it

its like a pig is making itself into a sausage

[azure bay]

What was preparation?

[floral mauve]

what he did in roots

[azure bay]

What did he do in roots?

[floral mauve]

gathering ingredients for his rebirth

[azure bay]

Ok

[floral mauve]

ohhhh wait aminute

[azure bay]

Now I think I get you

[floral mauve]

it is still possible

the devs didnt specify

how long the rebirth takes place isnt it?

[bronze prism]

Great I read everything

Nice explanation

I will remember that

[azure bay]

Thx

[floral mauve]

therefore, it is possible that he enters the samsara´s room after the tree got activated

by the sacrifice

[bronze prism]

Is there a way to keep this with me forever?

[azure bay]

That's basically my idea

[floral mauve]

my English is terrible

[azure bay]

I may write a longer article on reddit if there's still nonr

[floral mauve]

cant read properly

[azure bay]

No it's me who was thinking that it was obvious

[floral mauve]

I think there are plenty of samsara stuff there

but none of them are sort of kept in archive

you know theories arent popular in the mainstream

ppl just want to enjoy puzzles and see Albert, possibly Dale and Laura

[azure bay]

I'm going to do a lot to try changing it

[bronze prism]

I only like rusty lake for the history

A good game is made of those

[azure bay]

You mean story?

[bronze prism]

Yes

Isn't the same thing 🥲

[floral mauve]

no

and yes

but thats off topic

[bronze prism]

[floral mauve]

Damy is gonna beat yo as

[bronze prism]

How do I laugh in English

[floral mauve]

lol

[bronze prism]

About theories

Is there already one in reddit/other platform

Idk the word

Essay?

[azure bay]

Google for it

[floral mauve]

I would love to write one

with nowhere

[bronze prism]

Yeah

[bronze prism]

I did a timeline wonce

Like a chronological order to everything

[floral mauve]

timeline is relatively vague

and too common

[azure bay]

I'd encourage you doing it on your own

[floral mauve]

I would like to gather details

[bronze prism]

Yeah

[floral mauve]

such as different type of CS

and enlightenment

[azure bay]

I tend to unify everything by deriving common rules))))

[floral mauve]

I have an idea

how about you write some part of it

the part I am not familiar with

such as naraka and TWD lores

[azure bay]

What does TWD have to do with samsara?

[floral mauve]

I am talking about a general theory essay

or article

I just found your reddit, gonna go through it

[azure bay]

I'm afraid it's too much of info to fit into a single piece of text

[floral mauve]

sections are always an option

[floral mauve]

I will reference you

[azure bay]

Well thx

[floral mauve]

academic vibes I guess

[bronze prism]

Ok so, I will leave for now

So I can't read those

If I miss anything don't get mad with me pks 🥲

[azure bay]

For some reason I'm more glad than not to repeat myself

[floral mauve]

thats the reason why it makes me to form the idea of recording down some of the theories we deducted

[azure bay]

Well

I suggest you starting on your own

[floral mauve]

I need one source

where is the original blog or article of guests age

[azure bay]

I have links somewhere

[floral mauve]

I havent seen any or found any except the ones they said on Fandom

[floral mauve]

they didnt specify any reference

[azure bay]

I'll send them to you by DM

[floral mauve]

ok

[bronze prism]

Me too

No wait

I have searched about the wheel

I found nothing 👍

The fandom is dumb

[uneven flicker]

if you need it then i can send you some links from twitter, devs have tweeted about them

i mean if you need confirmed information about the ages of the animal guests

[molten salmon]

I need help can someone help

[uneven flicker]

about what?

if it's offtopic then we'd better move #🛖｜the-cabin or if that's related to the rl games #cube-escape-series-help or #🩸｜general-chat

[molten salmon]

This one

Cube escape series

[uneven flicker]

got it

[azure bay]

Maybe in general. But certain individuals are able to make their own research & conclusions. However, for some reason, they don't always share everything.

[bronze prism]

Yes

[azure bay]

The same content is on the blog on the official website

[bronze prism]

They only put the essencial and the surface, like the lake pictures 👍

[bronze prism]

I don't have Twitter

Can you send me the link DM

[uneven flicker]

of course! hold on a minute

[bronze prism]

Hey guys

I have noticed something weird

The asuras in RL hotel are the Eilander family right?

Why is grandma 39 and uncle 50+

[azure bay]

2 reasons possible

[uneven flicker]

because they were reborn and living totally different lives

[azure bay]

1. what she says 👆
2. retcon

[uneven flicker]

retcon?

and it's she😉

[azure bay]

I'll consider that next time

[azure bay]

retroactive continuity or rewritten canon

[uneven flicker]

thx and what is retcon?

oh

[azure bay]

since we are going that far, how should I refer to you?

[bronze prism]

What's retcon

[azure bay]

.

[bronze prism]

Oh

Oh ok

[uneven flicker]

you mean pronounce? she/her

[azure bay]

I mean your nickname

[uneven flicker]

ah just call me J

[bronze prism]

My pronounce is he/his, and my name is Jonathan 👍

So, about theories

[uneven flicker]

yeah

[bronze prism]

Don't we have any clue to conclude that?

[uneven flicker]

about the animal guests?

[bronze prism]

As asuras they are reborn right?

Hey, a question, a very important one

[azure bay]

(I'd be surprised as hell if they were devas)

[bronze prism]

How the hell did Jacob build the hotel while his family were in the island?????

[azure bay]

I think it was foreshadowing the future

[bronze prism]

The hotel is in the island

Did his family left? Like "hey let's go and wait for Jacob build his hotel thing"

"While we become animals 👍 "

[uneven flicker]

I think the whole island ||was burned down in the ending of Paradise|| and later Mr. Owl built it somehow🤔

[bronze prism]

Hmmmm

There was no wood around the ritual place

And they were close to the sea side, they were supposed to be dead

[azure bay]

I never felt like that. Maybe that's an interesting idea but yeah, it was rather rocky around

[bronze prism]

There was no way to escape that giant owl burning down

[azure bay]

Jacob died, that's for sure

[bronze prism]

Well, let's just suppose they actually left the place

And the island

Because it burned down, since it's our best option

[azure bay]

They fulfilled the ritual & were enlightened at some point

[bronze prism]

Hmmm yes I forgot about that

[azure bay]

what's more, they don't seem to recall a thing

[bronze prism]

So devas are gods

[azure bay]

Not the God gods

[bronze prism]

And asuras are demigods

Devas > asuras?

[azure bay]

more like some higher creatures

[azure bay]

yes

[bronze prism]

Oh nice

If owl is an asura

A deva example?

[azure bay]

Dale is teased to become deva. He's also teased with a deer head. I assume, these tease the same thing

[bronze prism]

Ohh

Then dale is to become the next new brand Mr. Deer

Hey, what is Albert?

Just a human?

I'm having the impression that we will see in tpw 😅

[azure bay]

I see no reasons to think otherwise

[bronze prism]

Yes

For a moment I was going to say that rose had supernatural powers

Since she could talk to ghosts

But then I remembered about the Ouija board

[azure bay]

Rose seems to foretell Laura's return to the lake

like she inherited Ida's powers

[bronze prism]

Hmm

[covert wyvern]

Ye Rose likely has an affinity for the occult

[bronze prism]

Oh yea, Ida is her mom

[covert wyvern]

but I wouldn't say that makes them not human, lmao.

[bronze prism]

Yes, yes

What species is that tree?

The roots one

I don't know how to mean this

But is the tree like

Power stuff?

[azure bay]

Its leaves were not distinctive enough for me

[bronze prism]

I don't mean like, a apple tree, I mean like supernatural

Or if it's just a normal tree

[azure bay]

well, the seed comes from William's body or maybe soul

[bronze prism]

Jesus Christ

One last question, about Emma's flowers

Do we see them any further?

Like, I know one of them are in paradise

[azure bay]

we kinda do

[bronze prism]

That give us Harvey's achievement

Hey, this gave me another question, can the asuras change between human and hybrid??

Harvey in paradise is like, animal

And in hotel it's asura

Then animal again

[azure bay]

Harvey died a year after Hotel

[uneven flicker]

maybe it's simply because the reuse of the models, but maybe they're the same ones

[bronze prism]

Didn't he became a bird?

And fly away

[azure bay]

There was a corpse seen with Owl casting something over it

I have a screenshot

[bronze prism]

Oh the light beam?

The same in Dale?

[covert wyvern]

alright just for the heck of it; I've looked around a bit and the tree could be an american elm .

[bronze prism]

American Elm

[covert wyvern]

thalthough the leaf on the Elm is very serrated

[bronze prism]

Oh yeah

[covert wyvern]

which isnt the case in Roots

so I might subtract that statement

[bronze prism]

Ohhh

[bronze prism]

This is probably Harvey

The beam of light strike it and we see the bird

Maybe he did a step back and became an animal again

And then Laura killed him

Laura is ughh

Why didn't he just fly away?

[azure bay]

Harvey was caged?

[bronze prism]

Before that?

[azure bay]

when?

[bronze prism]

In mill we see a memory of Laura and harvey

In her arm thing

Shoulder

[azure bay]

ha-ha, here a funny thing for you

[bronze prism]

Where

[azure bay]

a paradox before the Paradox

[bronze prism]

🥲

[azure bay]

The Mill takes place after Fall 1971

[bronze prism]

What???

[azure bay]

just dates

[bronze prism]

Then her ritual worked??

[uneven flicker]

summer 1972, to be exact

[bronze prism]

And Harvey lives?

[azure bay]

maybe. or maybe never dies in the 1st place

[high talon]

depends i see it as a multiverse kind of thing?

like one universe Harvey dies, the other they dont

[covert wyvern]

no to multiverse, yes to multiple time branches

[bronze prism]

It's never been explicit to us about a paradox or a multiverse

[covert wyvern]

[high talon]

i have no idea what the difference is but yeah

[uneven flicker]

In Seasons, Harvey is defenitely hurt but I don't think Seasons is the real world that exists, I think it's like Laura's conciousness — like Dale's Paradox

[azure bay]

Black Jesus asked if there are multiple timelines during Q&A. The answer was yes

[uneven flicker]

So in reality, he's not dead

[high talon]

okay im stupid can someone explain the difference?

[bronze prism]

Different time branches give us different events that might take place in the same moment, however it also give us different endings and confused and undated events that we don't know which timeline is from

[azure bay]

Please, don't confuse Laura's memories with Dale's mind constructs

[covert wyvern]

universes are seperate bubbles trhat dont interact, multiple time branches / time lines appear when certain key events play out in different ways

[azure bay]

Seasons at least depict a real loction

[covert wyvern]

IE: who gets out of the machine in cave

[bronze prism]

What is this

[covert wyvern]

me explaining the difference to @high talon

[bronze prism]

Oh oke

[high talon]

ohh so like i had like coffee and bacon for food this morning (i really didnt just an example lol) in another i had cereal?

[bronze prism]

Wow I'm so confused rn

[bronze prism]

Yeah

We are talking too fast I almost can't read everything

[uneven flicker]

I thought it happened when Laura was wearing the weird head machine in Winter 1972, and Seasons is like her consciousness. I'm saying that same thing happened to her like Dale woke up in his consciousness(Paradox) bcs both were wearing the head machines

[covert wyvern]

so multiple timebranches would imply there's one TImeline the MAIN TIMELINE The SACRED timeline

which branches based on your decisions

[bronze prism]

Oh yes

But it did right?

[molten salmon]

pls #cube-escape-series-help

[covert wyvern]

@high talon multiple universes would imply all timelines run parallel to eachother, not branching

[high talon]

i see

[uneven flicker]

and that's why i don't see it setting up in real world. it's like her mind.

[azure bay]

Many think like that. But I disagree. For me it rather places Laura inside Paradox. While Seasons take place in a different manner & 10 years later

[covert wyvern]

@molten salmon I'm going to have to ask you to not bother other people outside of the help channels, if you need help and can't wait for people to respond please just look up a video walkthrough.

[molten salmon]

Okay

sorry

[covert wyvern]

nah it's okay! I understand being stuck sucks but as you can maybe tell people are really invested here and might simply not have time to help out!

[uneven flicker]

Yeah that's also reasonable, because Laura appeared herself in Paradox. I just considered the possibility of Seasons being her own Paradox thingy. It looked really...surreal, like there's no acutal doors to get out, you just can escape the room only through the cube so
but still i'm really curious about winter 1981👀

[azure bay]

just for the record: there were no doors in a half of Case 23 levels

& nobody questions its reality

(almost nobody)

returning to Seasons

[uneven flicker]

oh yeah right😂

i question it, actually...

[azure bay]

(then all CE games may be unreal as Owl calls them "9 cubes with 9 memories" in the trailer )

[uneven flicker]

i'm just considering all of possibilities that can happen, that's all. please let me just have my own ideas.

[azure bay]

Alright but I'll further elaborate on mine, if you will

[uneven flicker]

fine.

[bronze prism]

This happens with me all the time and I just say sorry

You good

So, we didn't even came to a conclusion 👌

[azure bay]

there were 3 major things that made me consider Seasons as real & mostly literal from the very start:

1. "The past isn't a past"
2. "All that you touch you change"
3. "Machine + fuel = change the past"

Talking about feelings, I prefer happy endings & Laura gets one only in case Seasons are real.

And the most recent thing. On the Q&A the devs mentioned that "Laura also created some form of elixir in Seasons"

[uneven flicker]

Please excuse: I consider this as ignoring other's possible suggestions. Please respect others' ideas. Any theories cannot be perfect right away, and ppl can have various ideas.

[azure bay]

You don't have to tell me that because I'm here not to tell people what to think but to always present alternatives that I've heard some time somewhere

even tho I may not support them

The narrative is pretty vague

what seems obvious to ones isn't for others and as the result we get a ton of stories

[azure bay]

actually, exactly this assumption was produced by me either originally or at least independently from others

[bronze prism]

What? 🤨

What elixir

[azure bay]

it was in context that elixir has many-many different forms

In Seasons, I assume, they meant the machine & the fuel

[bronze prism]

Don't worry J, I can say for myself that I came to this channel to help others and be helped, people are rude sometimes not talking about crafter but just take the essential and go away

[covert wyvern]

well you see, when people are rude a moderator like J reminds them it might be a good idea for them to watch their tone

before we have to take further action!

😄

[bronze prism]

Oh yeah

He's a moderator I didn't saw

[bronze prism]

Yeah

[covert wyvern]

She*

and again, if you're unsure about someones gender, use they!

[bronze prism]

They right

[covert wyvern]

gender and or pronouns^

[floral mauve]

damn, u guys are chatty

I missed so many stuff

even though no new arguments have been made

but still interesting!

[cloud warren]

Okay so I’m hotel it’s kinda hinted at that mr. Owl is jakob from paradise so I think that the guests are his family reincarnated

[floral mauve]

yes

but

its not a theory tbh

its a fact

in Paradox

we can see the name of D Eilander as Mr Rabbit

oops

spoiler

[cloud warren]

Still

[floral mauve]

but its theories

[covert wyvern]

Theories is a spoiler free zone; if you're here just expect spoilers for allthe games

[floral mauve]

and suffer the confusion

afterwards

[cloud warren]

But one thing I don’t understand-

How did paradise tie into the main game if Jakob is mr owl then who is william?

[floral mauve]

???

Laura

I guess

[covert wyvern]

and also Mr crows deceased brother.

[floral mauve]

yes

[cloud warren]

I constantly forget that Laura is William reincarnated

[azure bay]

William is an alchemist. He likely never lived on the Paradise island

[floral mauve]

maybe visit

[azure bay]

however, there's a well-built theory that he & Crow are Owl's nephews

[floral mauve]

a talented neighbour lives next door

gonna visit Jakob for experiences

[cloud warren]

But here’s something

[floral mauve]

and perhaps

secret formula left from Caroline

[cloud warren]

Jakobs mother was looking for the elixir of life

[floral mauve]

yes

that

[cloud warren]

Maybe William and me crow went to the island

[floral mauve]

thats what I said, visiting talented neighbour

and have a deep discussion

[cloud warren]

More like steal her work sense she’s dead-

But another thing I can’t stop thinking of

[floral mauve]

well

[cloud warren]

Who is mr toad

[floral mauve]

she didnt publish it

[floral mauve]

devs say that the employees were humans as well

[azure bay]

If her work survived the hotel construction, Owl would possess it

[floral mauve]

exactly

thats why a neighbour discussion is what I think

[cloud warren]

Like a collaboration?

[floral mauve]

maybe also Jakob invited the talented bros to come near the lake

[floral mauve]

this is more interpretation

[azure bay]

according to some witnesses, devs stated that Toad & Bat used to be humans before working on Owl

[floral mauve]

yes

[cloud warren]

So the brothers then try to make the elixir of life and the events of roots plays out

[floral mauve]

it is certain that Aldous knows Mr Owl before Elixir production

[floral mauve]

yes

[azure bay]

I think William as well. Otherwise he wouldn't understand Crow's reference

[cloud warren]

Where does hotel fit in the time line then cause the more I think about it

[floral mauve]

yep

[cloud warren]

It plays more to when your playing as Dale

[floral mauve]

after the reincarnation of Owl

the Island was burned down I think

good kids dont play with fire

protect the environment

so he built the hotel

on it

[azure bay]

There was no trees around the temple

[floral mauve]

I am sort of joking

but yes

the result is

[cloud warren]

Wait-

[floral mauve]

he built the hotel on the Island

[floral mauve]

but from the entrance view

it was filled with trees

[cloud warren]

Then the guests are his deceased family

[floral mauve]

not deceased I would say

[floral mauve]

(this is why I think my project is important, I can just drop it when someone asks this)

@azure bay

[floral mauve]

enlightened

[cloud warren]

And this is why I’m working on the timeline of events

[floral mauve]

its slightly different

[cloud warren]

But another thing i can’t shake

[floral mauve]

but sure

good

[cloud warren]

How would white door tie into this

[azure bay]

I can share a timeline scheme featuring all the games

[floral mauve]

?

thats 150 years later

boi

[cloud warren]

I mean in the actual time line ;-;

[floral mauve]

yes

wait

wdym

[azure bay]

It's a modern establishment used by Mr. Owl for research & some shady scheming

[cloud warren]

It takes place before Laura’s death right?

[azure bay]

after

[cloud warren]

Okay thank you

[floral mauve]

or during

its not only for one purpose I believe

[azure bay]

@cloud warren

[azure bay]

1972

[cloud warren]

Thank you

[floral mauve]

emmm

so it was created for Laura's purpose

but extended

for more memories research

[azure bay]

no idea

[floral mauve]

I just cant believe

in 6 months

he can recruit all the members of researchers and equipemtns

and settled down in a health facility

busy modern business man

I guess

[azure bay]

TWD is old

the earliest records are dated to 1960

[cloud warren]

Hey nowherecaw? Can you dm me that photo of the time line or tell me where to get it?

Nvm-

[azure bay]

yeah, you can download it, it's also posted on wiki & reddit

[cloud warren]

Thank you

[floral mauve]

thats what I was saying

omg I know where the misunderstanding is

you guys were walking about when the game TWD was taking place

I was talking about when the facility was founded

[azure bay]

talking about TWD

the mechanical cube turned out to be the facility computer

[floral mauve]

I have heard of it

I was thinking that part of Albert's brain was preserved and extracted by the Owl

for further research in memories

[azure bay]

it's unlikely

what's more, the logo kinda teases a CS as one of actors

[floral mauve]

so its like CS Albert

[azure bay]

yeah, that seems likely

[floral mauve]

it makes me feel like he is already a CS even he is not enlgihtened

magical mask

gives power

[azure bay]

excuse me?

[floral mauve]

he can flee with two ppl

professional kidnapper I guess

adultnapper